 It's a movie so it's not real. This is a actual slaughter practices. This is a gas chamber. Oh That's horrible Not sure if you eat any of these animals or I actually do like a horror movie a Tell us how you feel before we finish it Yeah, I'm very very shocked. No, I feel like I don't want to eat me no more Where was that made in Australia? Australia in the UK. So we pretty much equal in our practices for slaughter. I mean if an animal if they kill it Yeah Not like that That's a very bad horrible process. So have you heard of thought about plant-based or vegan eating? I've thought of vegetarianism not veganism. Yeah, that's a bit too extreme for me really I don't think I could go there. Yeah, just thing and you saw the male chicks being ground up alive in the dairy Cabin stabbed in the throat. Yeah, you don't think those things are more extreme than choosing maybe plant-based milk or? Yeah, no, I mean Yeah, like you're talking about yeah, you'd take incremental steps to vegetarian and then or you just would never think about vegan I don't know I mean at the moment because I do eat me veganism is just too far out for me But I think the more I wean myself off of meat and meat and you know meat-based products and things like that I think the more of a better outlook I would have on veganism and things like that Yeah, I've got okay. We have our own chickens. Yeah, we have four and like we keep them in the woods Yeah, we do eat their eggs. Okay, but how do you feel about that? People have this conversation with me while they're still eating bacon and steak and so I just like choose the the most Unethical things in your lifestyle to tackle first and if you're completely vegan, you're not wearing leather You're not eating dairy products from these industries and you're not eating eggs from you know outside sources restaurants and supermarkets where? Males have been ground up alive. I would then ask where did the the hens come from? place an ox with cheese called like buff gone center is a hatchery I Don't know. They just have a bunch of chickens Yeah, yeah, so those hens would have been sourced from a hatchery whether male chicks would have been ground up alive So it's the same ethical implications if they were rescued hens They need their eggs themselves for calcium because they've been producing a lot of eggs and I would still suggest that viewing animals like Resources like products and view eggs as food is what where factory farms came from? Yeah So I think like just steering away from animals as products is a good idea And just looking after hens because you want to look after hens and rescue them from there this reality and yeah Have you been to the vegan vegetarian section in like Tesco or Sainsbury's? Yeah, I have yeah Conception is that like it's gonna be more expensive So you just generally kind of say I'll just get like, you know the box standard I suppose it depends what? Supermarkets you go to but yeah, it's just what the check regular meat. Yeah, sometimes like you can get like You know good deals, but they don't subsidize plant-based products like they subsidize meat and dairy So sometimes they might be a quid extra or whatever, but do you think it's kind of worth it for avoiding that? I Don't know you know you're putting that in your body on you like For me the struggle is more Because I grew up in an environment which Where ghee and butter was a part of day I think I think the problem is when you're when you start out when you're three or four years old and people just feed you milk And you don't really think about it. Yeah, and it becomes a part of your day It's it's so ingrained in your life that sometimes for me when I try to go outside and I get garlic bread I I just get cheese garlic bread I don't because it doesn't strike me that it's a dairy product or it's it's hurting cows What is a good way to kill someone? I don't know because I've got a friend in Scotland Right, and he worked in the slaughterhouse, right? And I've been doing basically what he did what they do is they stun stun the sheet and then they go into Yeah, so they're not awake and then they yeah, well the stunning doesn't always work But let's just say the stunning did work. Do you think it's okay still I did to be honest I don't agree with it because um When my friend told me right because I used to live in Scotland and he worked in the Aberdeen slaughterhouse And he stopped eating meat. Wow. That's kind of what happens You stop the meat and then you start to go Oh, wow This is not as hard as I thought and then you start introducing non-dairy milks and I mean it all depends on how you're doing it Well, I mean veganism, you know, you can't you can't just rely on you know chips and things like that No, you'll die. You have to you have to have a variety of plant foods. Yeah Yeah, it was to be home cooks and things like that and We're gonna have your treats as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Because we're growing up we can't we need to have like a band start like we don't want to be hurting the animals or anything That's where a vegetarian, but it's just seem it's very hard to go like vegan when you're growing up Especially on our parents on yeah, I just I agree that you're probably in a bit more of a position because your parents and But but in terms of nutrition Plant-based diets have been scientifically proven to be healthy if they're well-planned for all stages of life So you don't have to worry about you don't there's nothing in eggs It's they're the most collect cholesterol dense food on earth nearly cholesterol causes Heart disease, you know about cholesterol and heart disease, but there's a massive peer-reviewed paper put out by the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics it's backed by 117 studies that covers the health aspect if anyone's worried about health as long as you get in B12 supplements in Well, I suppose on the other hand you could say like these animals are bred for that purpose So like on the other hand you have that kind of argument So then you got kind of removes that kind of guilt from The situation yeah does it though Those animals were all bred for that purpose. Does that remove any guilt from you guys? fast, I suppose it helps you like stomach the Kind of food that you're eating I could breed humans for that purpose too. Good night. Well, it's it I Could like hypothetically. Yeah, I've said you could breed humans and say and tell them that like you are gonna be chopped up and Yeah, yeah, what are your thoughts on that? Ethically if it was to another human like you'd feel awful Like you I did you wouldn't be able to live with yourself. I guess I Don't know I guess like when I first saw this all these justifications started going through my head And I started trying to rationalize and go maybe there's a better way Maybe I can do yeah, well, maybe they're bred for this. Maybe you know, we've been doing for a long time. You know, but It seemed deeply affected How did not to say I don't know You know, you seem really Emotionally moved by this I don't know if there's many people that can watch this without being emotionally moved I don't think many people would Unless people didn't know have a heart You know people don't care about animals. I love animals. No, even though I hate me That's really strange isn't it? I wouldn't eat me if I need to come from there When you see a chopped-up piece of animal, you know that they were had their head cut off for that Wanted to live Yeah, you guys are you morally against what? I don't agree with it. I love my animals so much But I have considered going vegetarian and vegan, but I've just never kind of put the foot in the door and kind of gone for it What's stopping you? I Don't know. I guess just like because my mum and dad aren't so it's kind of just easy to Kind of more so the taste and the nutrients you get from the meat You know, if it was if they were slaughtered more humanely, I think you know There wouldn't be such a problem with eating meat But the way that it's done at the moment. It's it's completely wrong and it should be outlawed Humane slaughtered tell me about the word humane. What does that mean to you? I? Think it's how an animal is killed I mean they should at least be killed with dignity and respect like a person is I think all animals should be treated the same as a human being they shouldn't be seen as lesser Just because we're the top of the food chain That's very I'm very interested in your outlook here because to be treated with dignity dignity and respect But to be also treated as a steak. I don't think those two things align Like if you're going to treat an animal with dignity dignity and respect, wouldn't we just leave them be? Well, no, I don't think so I think that you know if you're if you're letting them live out their life in the naturalistic behavior that they Should be doing it, you know or even just allowing them to die naturally and then take the meat off of them After that, it'll be a longer. It'll be a much longer process, you know, but at least there would that be sustainable It depends on how you're doing it, you know if If you when you start off it will not be sustainable. There were nobody you could do it But in the in the long run, you know, you've got So many cows and pigs and things like that that are quite old age Yeah, I think it could be sustainable in the future. I was just wondering do you know how much resources these animals need? Like to keep them alive like if you had millions and you know, there's literally 4 billion I think there's more chickens in this country than there are people on there or something like that They need a lot of food So if you're going to let them all live out their lives and then wait till they died and then take the meat off their dead bodies it would just be Enormous amounts of resources to keep these animals alive for so long. Why not just choose plant-based meats? Have you thought about going completely vegan you already said you hadn't I said to my parent And they just wouldn't let me I'm not sure like especially for like school food and that it would be very hard because like If I go to canteen like there's not much I can eat really in the canteen probably not yeah, I agree I've said like school cancels can we get more vegetarian food at least It's like that's barely any like in the future We we might be able to do about the moment. It's just very hard because there aren't as many options right now You're not really in a position to make the decisions in the household But I'd put it to you like this You know those fussy kids that won't eat broccoli and the parents just give up you could be those fussy kids that won't eat dairy But there's a there's a group on Facebook called challenge 22. Yeah, really good There's a couple of documentaries what the health have you seen what the health no and Cowspiracy on Netflix You got to show your parents that so help educate your parents to let them know that I will I can be a tank of Occhia Wow Powerful, that's a made-up sort of character, but it's very similar to the meat industry. Yeah So I guess if you help educate your parents and so they know that it's actually a healthy choice And they might be a bit afraid of it But the biggest challenge for me is when I go or have a coffee or when I'm trying to have tea It doesn't strike me at all time. It's just I have to be very very Aware at all times and that's that's the most difficult part because it's so it's so ingrained into my daily life Yeah, well it was with me as well now I'm so aware of it that I've made a commitment to avoid these products out of principle So now I'm like is that dairy cheese and I'm looking for vegan cheeses finding ones I like I'm looking for dairy dairy alternatives finding ones I like dairy butter alternatives and because out of principle It goes it's like I wouldn't buy any child pornography because that support, you know, I'm morally against child abuse So I've made that Like I know it's a lot more widespread and it's a lot socially accepted, you know meat dairy and eggs It's everywhere, but for me out of principle I avoid these products But because we have like this I guess it's subjective over here. We treat them like this and it's much better It's much worse elsewhere. So this here sort of becomes like, okay I guess this might be the lesser of two evils in some respects like yeah It's kind of devil's advocate isn't it? But I've seen a lot of stuff here that is just horrible It's absolutely horrible and they put this humane badge on everything red tractor and RSPCA approved and These gas chambers operate here, you know, the stunning methods don't always work Some of the factory farms here are absolutely terrible over 90% of the peaks of factory farmed here, you know Cutting animals heads off. I don't see that as welfare myself. Yeah. No, I don't There must be much better ways. I mean, I'm looking at from future sort retrospective But I mean, I think it's there must be more Things that can be done like more research that can be put into it and how an animal can be killed humanely I guess in my country, it's more I Would like you from India India. Yeah, wow biggest dairy industry on earth nearly it is it is it's it's it's Terrible because I know what what goes on behind the scenes But the problem for me what I find an issue with in India when I try to find vegan options is that are in tiny Or I have to look very very hard to find a vegan So if I'm if I'm at work and I want to get grab a quick lunch, I don't find we can live in India Yeah, I've heard India is really bad for vegan options. Yeah. Yeah, it's there It's it's very difficult to find vegan options anywhere in the country because like I said, it's it's very religiously It's a part of the religion. So any saying vegan go vegan Automatically becomes an attack on the religion. If you say don't use milk or don't use thing People bless even that way. Have you thought of beyond me? Have you had it beyond me and impossible foods and no I've never heard of either them, too. Yeah, I've heard of like Well, you mean fienders and things like that or um, you know those sort of like as to store Meats and things they've got like Iceland got the noble burger. Have you guys ever tried any of these plant-based alternatives? No, never tried it. Would you give him a go after watching that? Yeah, because you're studying animal welfare for a reason like yeah, what was the reason I Think it's just to better understand how animals are treated. Did you choose that? Sorry. Okay. Yes. Yeah, I did choose it Um, and I think it was just to better understand how animals are treated in this country and in other countries What I find most weird about This whole argument the vegan argument and know I will choose to eat meat the argument is never about it doesn't When you when we start talking about animal and animal rights The other side doesn't really talk about that at all They circumvent the entire argument to humans and human rights because I need to be able to choose what I have to eat So I feel like that argument doesn't really stand because we're not even talking about the same things I'm talking about animals. We're talking about animals. We're talking about cows and how they should be treated And you're talking about but I still want to eat it and I don't see that as an argument to my point I know you want to eat it, but I'm telling you why you shouldn't But I still want to is we want to have sex doesn't mean we should go out and rape. Yeah, exactly It's an ethical implication of what you want. Yeah. Yeah Apples and oranges human rights versus animal rights. Yeah Yeah, for the same reasons I think humans to let deserve liberty and respect and to be treated fairly and compassionately are the same reasons I think animals should you know? Hmm. Yes, I Think that you shouldn't I don't I don't think everyone should turn to vegetarianism and veganism I think that they just need to be a better change in the animal industry Yeah, why would we try to find a good way of killing someone? Why wouldn't we just choose plant-based foods? Well, why would we strive to find this nice way of exploiting and killing animals? I don't know. I think it's just because people would prefer it And there are a lot of people who are too stubborn to move on to vegetarianism And it's if they really don't want to leave their meat alone and things like that You must find different options at the end of the day 21st century is all about catering to different people from different backgrounds And yeah, if someone doesn't want to if someone wants to eat me you should allow them to but at least find the humane way to do it so beyond me now they're synthesizing like The animal proteins out of plants like pea protein and coconut fat and it's very very realistically similar Do you think that would be a direction to move in? Yeah, yeah, I think you know if it looks like me and tastes like me. I don't see the difference She tried beyond burger. Tell me what you think There is that On one hand they'll say that cows are holy and they're revered Sacred and on the other hand, they'll ask us what happened, inseminate them and suck them milk out of cars Sending them all off to be murdered Literally holy cow. Oh, yeah, and they do say and they do say it's Merciful killing and I've never understood that term at all No, it's merciful. It's like it's supposed to be quick and painless, which is which doesn't make sense Right, it's like we find the particular part in the neck where the where like the minute you poke it dies I'm like, that's not merciful at all. That's not humane killing at all human killing That's what they call it if you were suffering and you wanted me to kill you to put you out of your suffering It was in your best interest There was no way of saving you then I think it could be a mercy killing, but that's not what's happening That's not what's happening. Yeah, that's the consent. Yeah, where is the consent? They don't they're not yeah, we're putting them in suffering What if even if I'm sick and you can't kill me? What if I don't want it? Hey, I'm just like it wouldn't be merciful. That would be a murder. Yeah, that would be murder. Yeah But it was really good talking to you guys I'll grant you that it's a lot harder in India But I'm I hope that you make me making the dairy-free choices while you're here and while you over there do your best Blending up some you know oats and water or some, you know making your own rice milk might be a bit of an ask but Making your own soy milk with a blender, please Thanks brother There's a there's a website called challenge 22.com challenge 22.com. Yeah, it's a free vegan challenge You can do it on Facebook. Thank you as much candy as you want Go on, bro. Yeah Thanks, brother. I made me think about things Cheers, brother That's talking to you guys. Thank you. You want to watch this will be on Joey Carp strong Joey Carp strong. Yeah, help yourself candy There's no animals in this candy or animal products It's a bit wrong obviously, but I still eat it Sorry You have to apologize to me brother. I love me. Are you still as well? Yeah? Even saying this now still eat me. Can I ask you? Do you think a human can be killed you mainly if they want to live?