 I regard Honehara Werra as having extreme views and I won't get into bed with them. Do you think Matt McCartan does as well in Annette Sykes? Yeah, I think that that is a party that is well out of the mainstream of New Zealand. And you will have nothing to do with it? No, I don't see myself as being able to form a coalition both on the grounds of different policies and on the grounds of reliability. I've said that and I stand by it.