 Welcome to Skeptico where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I'm your host Alexi Keras and as many of you know, one of the goals of this show is to push past the stuck on stupid discussion around extended consciousness. And that's really where science has pushed us, hasn't it? Let's take past life regression, for example, science would of course dismiss the entire phenomenon with a wave of the hand and maybe a little gibberish about extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Worse yet, we'd be told, as we often are, that it's actually a scam perpetrated by greedy new ageers who are looking to exploit the weak and the gullible. So how do we push past that blockade that the pseudo skeptics have built? Well, first of all, I'd suggest that you need the right kind of guest. And I'm thinking and hoping that we might have just that kind of guest today. Kathy Mingo is a psychic in a medium in the UK. She specializes in past life regression and shamanic healing work. She's going to tell us what that means. She comes to us highly recommended by our friend Claire Broad, who documents her own rather amazing experience with Kathy in her new book. And as a special bonus, as Kathy and I were just chatting about. Kathy has been brave enough and open enough to agree to do stupid enough. But she has agreed to try and do some kind of demonstration. I don't know how it's going to turn out. She's never done anything like this. We're not like trying to test her in any way because she said I've never done anything like that. But I thought since her work is kind of unusual and unique that just to give people to give all of you and me a sense for what it's about, we might do a demonstration. So with all that, Kathy, welcome to Skeptico and thank you so much for joining me. Well, thanks Alex and thanks for having me and hi to everyone at Skeptico that's listening in. Well, great. Awesome. You know, as I explained to you, I kind of have evolved into playing this little game that I call Skeptico Jeopardy. Fabulous. In this one, since my introduction was kind of limited, I think the natural place to start is with you and Kathy Mingo. Okay. Well, I'm just a very ordinary person that just happens to do what some people call an extraordinary job. I don't think it is. I just think what I do is very natural. I do need to put caviar in. I don't actually call myself a medium. But when I'm in someone's auric field, so that's what I would do. I work through someone's bioplasmic aura field. So the energy around the body or the aura and just as a byproduct, sometimes, or quite often, people that have passed over come in to say hello. So it's literally, it's a byproduct of what I do. Can I jump in there with the question because I think that there is, you say that in such a matter of fact way that it's no, it's great. It's great. I love that because that's where we want to go. But I think then we need to step back and say what is your understanding of an aura? Okay. And how might your understanding of an aura be different than, you know, some of the other stuff you hear out there in terms of other people and they talk about auras or aura cameras or. Yeah. I mean, you know, do you have any understandings of that that are different than what people might normally encounter and then related to that? Why do you think that's real? When did that come into your experience that there is such a thing? Okay. There's a long answer to this. I will do it as quickly as I can. So I was trained as a past life regression therapist through hypnosis. That's where my training came from. I was working in a shop called Quest and the medium had not shown up that day. So I was asked, would you fill in? And I thought, like I'm doing with this, I kind of thought, I have to try everything. I'm like that. I'm kind of off the hoof. So I will give anything ago. No harm, no foul. So this man turned up and I said to him, all I know and all I could understand that I needed him to do was to lie down so I could go through his auric field. I see it as a field of quantum energy around the body that houses information both from the past and from the future. I see it like that. I see it as a holographic sphere, if you will. Let me push on that a little bit further because I'm just really interested. When you say that's how you see it. Is that because that's how you were trained? I wasn't trained in it at all. So what was that experience like then? I mean, that whole experience, we could probably deconstruct it. It's incredibly interesting. I mean, first of all, how do you wind up in a class for past life aggression? That would be question number one. There's a story for that as well, because I'm afraid. My whole life has been a series of entwined synchronicities. But had I not listened to that, I wouldn't be where I am now. So I'm very open on if I'm guided by the universal flow, if you will. I'll always go with it. So I was, I will digress a bit. I was, I'm a croppy, I'm a crop circle fan. So I was in Wiltshire on top of a hill. I didn't know what I was doing with my life. And I literally put my hands up to the universe and went, can you like give me a bit of a clue? So I get home from my holiday and on the mat of my flats through the door through the post box was an invitation to do past life regression therapy. So I called them and I went, I have no idea how you've got my address because I've never signed up for this. The woman searched and she went, you're not actually on my database. And I went, great, I'll sign up. Because I just thought that was, I'd asked. So I went and did past life regression through training through hypnosis. That was what I initially did. Okay, so. I mean, there's so many parts. I know, fantastical I know. It's not just, it is fantastical, definitely. It does correspond with so many stories we've heard in the past about synchronicities. Few of us, including myself, have been brave enough to always follow those synchronicities in life. Sometimes we look back and go, Wow, why didn't I trust that more. Yeah, this is, it is no doubt a profound coincidence. I'd even let's we're going to keep peeling back the layers here. When you say you're a crappie. And, you know, I appreciate that on one hand on the other hand, it's like, No, damn it. I mean, it seems to be something very, very important to you. And the larger question of what's going on with crop circles is incredibly important. We've done a couple of shows on him and people that have have the one thing that I get about crop circles. That I think is worth exploring is that if we separate the crop circles for a minute from their origin in terms of their assumed origin are. Yes, it comes down in this craft and get back to something that so many people have reported and kind of demonstrated in some ways is that there is some connection to extended consciousness that even comes through being in these crop circles are both a portal for this extended realm, whatever that extended is, and they're in between this physical realm and there so I guess we do have to peel back and say what is your understanding of what a crop circle is and what is your connection to crop circles. Okay, so my belief system and it is my it's a very it's a contentious subject crop circles, especially in the crop circle community itself. There are some that are definitely man made I 100% know that. But what's interesting is when I've heard crop circle make it some of them are not. I get told off from the man made section that say they're all man made. And then there's the other section that say that none of them are man made. I do feel that there is disinformation weaved in to perhaps as there is with everything isn't there. Just again and people go nuts when I do this all the time but I'm sorry because so many of the things you said there are super important. One of the things that I learned when I first started investigating crop circles is even the distinctions you're making become very blurred in terms of made versus not man made because yes, what we found is when we really go push the people who admit to them being man made they say, yeah it was man made but you know what it was kind of strange woke up out of a dream at 2am in the morning and I had this image that I should go this this complex geometric image that I should go put in a field and I did it now is that man made in the usual way we I suppose man made in the way that the formation is laid down physically. But I know that there is I know that there's consciousness that happens within crop circles man made crop circles many of the crop circle makers say that there is paranormal I hate that word. I think it's normal but let's just call it paranormal for the sake of this conversation. They they have things that happen cameras don't work they do have. I have manifested a crop circle myself but I think we will talk about that later on manifested a glyph that you couldn't dismiss it. Was I connecting into a man made consciousness one of the one of the crop circle makers that I do know said that he's God's pencil. I love that because they wherever the glyphs come from. It's coming from consciousness I believe. Well that's a very interesting and important point there because when you say God's pencil that puts us in a different direction than does the ET explanation and I don't want to get away from the ET explanation because we want to. We don't know what that means either but it is a pigeonhole we might want to go to. What if we return to your story then okay some kind of spiritual transformative experience for you that was associated with you being in this crop circle or being part of the crop circle community or experience. Absolutely absolutely my whole spiritual existence I think interwoven in synchronicity because of maybe the area that the crop circles are in as well which is very special which is the wheelchair landscape. So that also has a lot of lay lines so there's there's that interwoven with it as well I think. But when I just come out literally come out of the crop circle that day which was a beauty there was a lot of. Transcendent energy that was going on you can sometimes if you lay down there long enough if the farmer allows because there's also the cost of lost crop and everything else that goes into it. There's almost a kind of time slip I'm not saying alien I'm just saying you can sometimes lose time in a way that I think it's very meditative it's it is transform transformative I think it's almost metaphoric that would be my. So when I stood there on that hill which was on milk hill which is being very famous crop circles and put my arms up. I didn't expect that the answer would be you know we expect an answer right away don't we like you know God's going to come down to whoever and give us this great answer but sometimes time doesn't work like that so. I had to look at this leaflet from this past life regression college which I've never even contacted and thought right well I need to go down that route and which I did. So, picking back up on your story. This is great stuff Kathy is a great stuff. So picking back up on the story incredible coincidence right there's the leaflet you call up your name isn't even on the list. Not on the list. Okay, not three times I'm answering. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then the further coincidence that you're in a class and I mean it just would sound bizarre if we didn't have the rest of the story that the teacher would pick up and leave one day and say Kathy, you take over, and you would proceed to just kind of do this oric kind of thing. You don't even know that you're trained to do but it just kind of happens. The other thing I find interesting I'd like you to kind of expound upon a little bit is that you seem to process this as energy and then you even through quantum energy and we're not even going to go there because we don't know exactly what that But I take it that that's how you are experiencing this you're not experiencing the voice of God you didn't see the Virgin Mary you didn't see that you saw lights and energy around a person. What do you think that means the number one and number two, how has that kind of unfolded and proven itself to you as your practice is going on you work now with hundreds or I don't know thousands of people. Yeah, I mean or is a it's not really a great word for it either to be fair. But so when this when this man I all I knew was that to work in this man's energy he needed to lie down for some reason and I knew I needed to. I don't touch I just put my hands over and he's lying there I didn't know this man from Adam and I went on and on about this. I said to him you've got pins in your neck down your neck down your spine and he went Kathy I haven't and usually I should have gone I've got this wrong I couldn't let it go. So I went I couldn't let it go and I kept saying it we talked to his grandfather blah blah blah didn't think anything of it and literally about 48 hours later he got hit by a truck because he was a motorcyclist. And the next time he came to me everywhere that these pins had been, I felt and seeing were where they actually were physically so that kind of blew my mind a bit. Blue is mine as well because the next time he came to see me was in one of those great big head halos though. So, I don't know how to explain that. Well, you know, so there's two parts of that is one is how you would explain it. And then to, I guess that's what you're saying when you say how would you explain it the other part of it is what are the implications of that. And that's what I was kind of so I want to break that down a little bit for folks is that's what I was alluding to in the intro to the show and sometimes people think it just sounds like an angry rant or something like that. And I want to know that it's it's not really that it's like, we have to really understand how we've been blocked from really asking questions in a deeper way. And that's what we're going to try and do now we're going to try and wrestle some hunches out of you you don't have to have the complete answer like. But you have a hunch you know, because once we say okay, there's something there that we want to dig into. There's a bunch of questions that fall from that like what is our relationship to time. Was it a natural thing about that. The other is this whole question of healing. I mean there's questions about healing that I don't see asked very much at all. I mean from a spiritual perspective. Yeah, why healing. Why do we need to heal. Should we heal. Are we on a healing path or not on a healing path. What does that mean. What is your role in that. Why do you need to be involved in that you know I mean your God's pencil. Well maybe your God's plan is for someone to be healed or not healed. I mean there are a million questions there. I don't even care which one we start with but since I teed it up. What does that experience that you just described. Tell us about time. I think it tells us that, well for me at least see I struggle with the concept of time, especially within New York field like past future. It's so finite isn't it and we're dealing with, I think infinity for me, energy is energy it's infinite. But time places this constriction that something's in the past or something's in the future. But when he was lying there, obviously in our corporeal sense I was going into what I call the future. But for him, this might be a bit controversial but I do believe that the auric field is like a book. And if you read a book you can read the front or the back can't you. You can go straight to the back and know the ending. I believe in the more and more that I'm starting to do energy work. That's what we're dealing with some sort of information packet like a SIM card. So I was just going a little bit forward into the information because I couldn't have been known that I should have said don't go on your motorbike. Because you're gonna buy didn't because I wasn't given that information it was very matter of fact this is what's what I see and this is what ended up happening. I couldn't change the outcome. Maybe not for me to change. Perhaps so let's dig in a little bit further in terms of because I think people will be interested in this. What you think you're actually doing then during this healing process because healing is super important to so many of us for so many reasons we're suffering. It's like we need relief from that suffering and we're seeking healing and you're offering that service that seems to work for so many people so you have people come in and said I felt this way before. And I felt better after we could go do the science and I'd love to go do the science on that but we can't in this interview we just have to kind of take your word for it. Yeah, one question that the one question that I think doesn't get asked enough is what is your understanding of precisely what you're doing as part of that healing process with the auric field. So what I believe I'm doing and obviously it's perception isn't it everything's perception really so but I feel that I am going through perhaps the cellular aspect of that person's energy the bioplasmic field or as such a crack word if you excuse me but it just doesn't encapsulate. All that is because it's spiritual healing it's physical healing it's emotional is mental healing it can all it can glomerates into this one thing but it's many things in the one I do like to sort of think that's a bit of a paradox as well. Does it make sense. So I literally I'm going through an auric field. Past life stuff can come up future life, but it can also I can give you an example if you like and I know it's just taking my word for it but I have a client who she sees me every three months it's like a therapy. She's very rich. She doesn't. She has no skepticism at all which is great. And she was so usually I just talked to her relatives that's what she wants that's not really my thing. But it's what a lot of people want. I've got an opinion on that but but this time she went I'm feeling a bit tired will you go through my aura so I went through the bioplasmic field. And all I said to her was I believe or I can feel actually physically feel a delineation within the auric field so darker spots or heavier spots. And I said to I think you might have assist in your liver. I didn't think anything of it she had one of those four body scans of the woman came back to went all you've got really is just a little cyst in your liver. So she came back and she said I've just spent 400 quid to be told exactly what you've just told me. But I'm not a scientist so I'm not I'm not privy am I to having lord it's about healing because I'm not a doctor or I'm not medical. What does that mean. Well let's set that aside for a second and let me ask you again. Kathy and I don't know if I'm phrasing it the right way. What is your experience about what you're doing and let's put it in the context of what other people say because there's other people who do similar kind of things. And sometimes they'll come back and they'll say I am directed by the hands of Jesus. Just saying, you know, people will say that or other people would say I'm using my spirit guides to direct me towards this. I have an angel or this. You're saying I don't do any of that. Well, I don't know if they do any of it either. Okay. What you do is is interesting in particular because, you know, we connected it to this crop circle thing in your experience with that. And the other thing that's interesting, we're so much on rebel. The other thing that's interesting about connecting it to the crop circle is that crop circles are in the physical plane in the physical realm. Somebody who says I'm the hands of Jesus are guiding me as I, you know, do therapy on somebody. Yes, have no way of touching that. You are saying on the other hand, wait a minute. I went into this crop circle field. Here's a photo of it. And there was this energy field. Here's the scientists who measured it. And here's how he said his camera is kind of like you. We have kind of phenomenon or a whole range of phenomena that that we can kind of put in the physical realm. So you seem to be straddling this almost technology, if you will, associated with that. And I love your openness in your story, too, that, hey, she asked me, I kind of stumbled into doing past life. I stumbled into doing medium readings. I still, but I think you have a sense, Kathy, that there's something else that what are you following there? What's what's guiding you in terms of driving this ability that you have? Do you know, or maybe you don't care too much about that. You just kind of do your thing. I just do it. I think I'm not making excuses. I'm very receptive. I like quantum physics. I know you don't want to go down that route, but it does seem to be playing out more and more that we are all intertwined. So my energy, my auric field, they say that there's seven layers of the aura that there's seven chakra points. There's in my understanding, there's way more than that. And our energy is infinite. Yes, infinite. But we've got this mental constriction that stops, I think, a very organic practice. If I was, if I was in medieval times, no one would think twice about what I do. They would send them to me and go, you know, they've got the pops. What can you do about it? There wouldn't be any of that mental rigidity. About what I do or what shame and so I would say I'm a bit more on a shamanic level, if I'm honest. Energy is just energy and we can all interpret it. Okay. A related question, I guess, would be on this whole issue of channeling. Again, it's, it's controversial for a number of real understandable reasons in that, you know, people, there's a lot of different channeled information out there. There's channeled information that we find is kind of not so great channeled information. It comes that it comes to be proven to kind of pull people down the wrong path, kind of a hungry ghost kind of thing. There's also channeled information that seems quite profound that inspires people. Yes, I'd have similar kind of questions about, first of all, what do you even think is going on with channeling along the lines of, you know, who are you channeling, what is, what is being channeled. Why is that channel available? I mean, again, I do feel like these questions are not usually asked instead stuck on verifying and shaming. Oh my gosh, you were wrong on this or that person's fake rather than trying to understand the phenomenon more generally. What are some of your, again, hunches in terms of who you're channeling, what is being channeled. Okay. For me, again, I think channel is pretty much like I was talking about with the aura is information. I really believe that energy is information and, you know, okay, Jesus come in channeling Jesus. I don't work that way if I channel. I think it's a telepathy between consciousness and my mind or I don't know telepathy of greater mind. But as you're saying about the Acacia records, I'm a really firm believer that there's no original information in the universe. I think it's all being there. And it's like, it's kind of like a pick a mix, if you will, of what you need to channel for me. I don't, I don't need to channel. I don't definitely don't channel with people that pass. So, you know, people that have passed over. I don't do that. But if I get information from what I call a higher source, I'm funny with the word spirit guide. I'm funny with the word spirit guardian. I don't like labels, but obviously we need a label, don't we? So we can understand the archetype of it. Well, help us help us understand that it's something I'm very interested in. So if just say I got a channel through at the moment, I don't, I've got one of my bug bears and I'm not trying to be controversial, I kind of am. Is I'm going to just say, okay, so I've got a 16th century Chinese monk. I don't need to change my voice to create that vision of having a Chinese person's voice because that person is no longer incarnate. They're not here. So I'm going to channel that information through my own voice. Does that make sense? It does. And that's a really great tiny little example. Have you ever connected with what you identify as being a 16th century Chinese? I would say what I probably have channeled is the frequency of that information rather than a 16th century monk. Why do you make that distinction? And do you believe that there are spirit beings, if you will? I mean, our ancestors, when we do a medium reading and we get specific information and they tell us things that are important to us about our life. And I was there for your daughter's birthday party. How do you process that? What do you think that means? Okay, so yes, I do believe in spirits. I do believe in higher energies, sender masters, but my view is that it's an energy thing. If I've got someone that's passed over that comes in, I think, and I'm starting to believe this a little bit more and more, the more I do this, that I'm possibly talking to an echo or a resonant memory of that soul that comes through in the physical body so I can understand, you know, you're tall, you've got dark hair, your name's Derek. Does that make sense? But what I'm actually linking to is an echo, a resonant memory of their life, their soul. It's all about soul for me. So do you think that Derek in that case is directing that communication through that frequency? Yes. Yeah, I do. I'm just trying to distinguish that, you know, I don't think Derek's coming in because the body's gone, the body's been dealt with. I know that there's cellular memory held within the physical body through any incarnation. But that's what I believe that a kind of memory and they bring through memory, they bring through special memories, love memories. But they also bring through some conflicting and some contradictory information. Yes, absolutely. They bring through some very religious information that seems to contradict our understanding of other people who say their religion stuff is okay, but there's a deeper truth to it. They bring through stuff that, you know, back again, something we've been touching on a little bit. Some of them are nasty, benevolent entities that are disguising themselves and are intentionally seem to be deceiving people. And that seems to be provable in some sense, you know, when spirit comes through and tells you, hey, your real path is to go and sleep with your best friend's wife and try and use your, you know, don't know if that's really in the best interest of all involved. But that's what I see. I've never met anything like that. I'm not, I'm not scared of anything. I will do spirit cleansing of houses, wedgie board. I'm not scared of that because I think if you've got a pure intention when you're doing it, it can only resonate on a pure intention. Yeah, of course, there are things out there. Fair enough. Fair enough. And, you know, I'm totally down with, you know, the secret of the ascent is to always look up and, you know, like that's about Claire's vibe to is that, you know, focus on this. I do always have to kind of bring it back to, you know, we have this in Britain, you know, you have a whole John D thing who probably was right responsible for setting up the road map the blueprint for the British Empire. And he's doing exactly that. Right. So he's going down this really dark path and at the end they're doing all this crazy sex magic stuff that really doesn't in the pattern of his life is not positive. And we see people, you know, Alistair Crowley pick on the Brits here today, you know, all this evil stuff that no matter what you think of Alistair Crowley, no one would model their life after that. No one thinks that that leads to spiritual growth and spiritual advancement of your soul. So, and then if we take that on a more, you know, we have the petal Pope right now, you know, and we have that whole thing, even if people say that. And so I say that in some of the people get offended. It's like, gee, I don't know if you have a handful of lifelong friends and they're all pedophiles, I think the burden of proof shifts on you. Yeah, exactly. It's, I get what you're saying and what Claire saying that you haven't encountered it. Clearly, it's a force out there that seems to have a pretty good opinion. For me, I think it's attached to ego. I mean, what I know, I'm quite interested in Crowley actually because I'm not opposed to looking at the dark because the dark and the light to me is exactly the same thing. But when it goes into ego, that's where I think it goes into really low vibrational energy and that's when I think all hell can break loose when it's really brought into a low vibration. Do you mean that literally as well as literally? What do you think about hell? What do you think hell is and I'll give you two choices to kind of pair it down a little bit. I think some people I've heard kind of ascribed to the as below so above kind of thing the way I put it to turn the phrase around is that if you want to find a bunch of creepy people who are seeking out kind of nasty stuff and are increasing their their negative energy by associating with other people with negative energy. Hey, you can do that right here in any town you can go find that. And maybe that's what's happening on the spiritual level as well. Other people contrary to that say no, there really is this force out there that is on par with the white force that the light force and it's the dark force and it's kind of pulling things in another direction. You can pick another answer but among you think. I don't know about hell personally I think hell is what we live in the illusion I really do I think if hell plays out we are we are living it at the moment especially the way the world's going. So dark and light to me is duality you can't have dark can you without light because dark is just where the light hasn't gone in yet. So I think hell is down here I'm not on the heaven and hell spectrum. Okay, fair, fair enough. I've kind of really blown the skeptico jeopardy model because you are so awesome to talk to and you are so open about just kind of sharing all this information. Are there any other topics. I want to do this demonstration in whatever time we have and I want to make sure you know we are respectful of your time. What other topics do you think we might talk about. I do want to talk about your practice so let's talk about that why people do seek you out and I understand you have to understand that Kathy is very sought after at this point. She has quite a waiting list that doesn't mean you still shouldn't try and contact her, but she's not out there scraping to kind of scrounging around trying to get some work out of. I don't think that's her main thing, but she does have a practice and you should tell people about that because no doubt there are people listening who this show is for them, the show is for them for a reason. So yeah, my practice obviously I work, I work in a little, it's a shop, it's a crystal shop in Epsom. And I do my aura here I'm booked now until January 2022, I think, hang on. I'm booked a full 18 months ahead. So, which is great for me, but I get a lot of people that book once and then they come and book me again and then go on the waiting list. So it's, you know, I don't I also I'm one of not I don't want to encourage people I cannot stand people that don't take responsibility. So they come to me and after about two three times they're not getting the point. I won't say I won't see them again and I have to say you know what this is all about self responsibility. I'm here to walk your path for you. I'm here to put you on it and what you do with that is your choice. I'm quite big on that so I'm very honest I'm very blunt. Some people say I've got no bedside manner but I think honestly you just got to shove it out there and you that's what I do that's how I've always operated. I'm never going to change that. So this is give people a more of a sense of what it's like for them so they sign up on the list. Their date their date comes around. Yeah they come in they lie down actually in the room I'm in. I came here because I didn't want to do this for my house because I've got four cats and I've got two young Siamese and we would not have heard a thing because they're loud. So I thought well if I do it from where I do my normal energy work or mediumship whatever you want to call it just be easier for me. So they would come in lie down I would go through their auric field. So if they're lying down the right hand side is their physical information and the left hand side is their emotional. It can intermingle but that's kind of how I separate it. I'll go through the energy and say Mrs. Joe blogs then or Mr. Joe blogs. Slight issue with the energy around the sacral or their pancreas you know your dad's here and that's how it kind of transpires a lot of times will go past life. Whether I do I always say to people are you open to past life. Some go yes and some will go no it's a little rubbish. Okay. So if something comes in I'll just ignore it. Let's go there for a minute. Okay. What is your understanding of what past life is number one. And then there's also a lot of controversy about how useful it is or it may be distracting to some people and that some people you know beg away from it because it's like. No I don't want to go there because it's going to mess a person up and like you said I'm just reading out of the book anyway you shouldn't get too hung up on it you're just in here now anyway so. Yeah. Kind of is irrelevant but at the same time at other times it seems to be incredibly relevant for people people have major trauma block job or they have either health issues that can be resolved by. Yeah. Past life work I mean I don't know this I'm just this is what I've heard what do you think. Yeah so I can give you examples so. I had a woman this was through the hypnosis though so she is a very random story but her husband sent her to me because he was so fed up he she couldn't look in the bathroom mirror. I mean she had a phobia so I do deal with the phobia side of it. And he was so fed up having to put the towel over the bathroom mirror every day you just thought I would give it a go. So in in her regression. She was a Victorian girl. Little child. She she's got an obsession in this lifetime with cleanliness of a feet is another weird thing that she had. And in the other lifetime when we were going through it. She wanted to go into this big house to wash her feet and she was effectively molested in that house by this great big man and all she could see was the reflection of what was going on in the mirror in the bathroom. Now did her subconscious make up a scenario to help her let it go. Was it a true memory. I can't answer that for you because I don't know. I'm going to be honest I don't know either way. It's quite incredible because from that from that session afterwards. The bathroom mirror thing had gone. Yeah that's the point that always gets me about about those stories and about people who are skeptical and I always say you know the kind of skeptical lobotomy which is to just say let me put it all out of my mind just by putting some label on it and saying oh I'm a skeptic. That can't possibly happen and I'll share with people that they've heard this many times on the show but that's why I was so interested in kind of pursuing people who've looked at it scientifically like you know I mentioned Dr. Julie Michelle at the Windbridge Institute because she did some kind of incredible work she keeps hearing these stories over and over again. And then she says okay well let's do some experiment here on the best we can with grief. Because grief is real right. Our health insurance pays for grief counseling. Our health insurance pays if you go to the doctor and the doctor gives you medicine for grief. They'll pay for that. So it's completely integrated into our medical system. So what if we introduce now as you just described you to past life aggression, medium reading. Let's introduce that in the equation. And then we can test that right. That's what's most effective. That's the kind of stuff we do all the time. This is pharmacology where Dr. Jules Weischel has her PhD in pharmacology. Turns out medium reading more effective than the top therapy. More effective than the drugs you might get. More effective than both combined. I would suggest if we did the same thing I would guess I would bet money that if we did the same thing with the people who've you've done this wacky past life aggression stuff. We'd find the same thing. So how do we process that you know you're open you're you're so much more open to saying I don't know if it's real on it. It's effective it seems to be effective. Does it matter where it comes from. If the outcome is she can. I think but I think I think it does and I think that's where we're at and that's another question that I have and we're going to save that to the to the end because it's the final question after we do a little demonstration here which is. How can you help. Science. Get on the right track in terms of pointing at. Areas of research where your hunch tells you. Hey that's something we should pursue that's something where there may be an app that we could develop down the road or something like that but. I'm going to put that on hold that's that's our question is Kathy consult doing some free consulting for dorky science. What do you think we should do here and if again folks it's so nice it's so awesome of Kathy to agree to do this little demonstration here it's no. No pressure we don't know what's going to happen and if nothing happens that's totally fine she's never done this on on Skype zoom we're using so she usually does it in person, but to give people a sense of what you do. Is there anything we could try here that might. Okay, so if I tune into your because I can't I can't see you on the smaller screen. Could you go back to bigger so I can see you better. Okay, here I am on the big screen that's better. Okay, so if I just chew I will what I'm going to do is I think I'm probably I'm big in remote viewing or not big in I love remote viewing. I think it's all the same stuff. So really, in challenging myself. I should be able to do this if I can do this with you lying down in my presence. I should be able to do it this way. If energy is that way I should be able to do it so that's what I'm saying about myself. So if I can't then my mind is to even I'm constricted in. I suppose in a mindset of what you can and what you can't do I'm being honest. It makes sense. I should be able to do it. So I shall give it me do you want me to start now. Sure. Okay, so what I would do is go into your auric field by a plasma field. So I shut my eyes just because I'm doing it I suppose remotely. Are you open to people that passed overcoming this? You bet. Okay, go with me here. Okay. It's interesting because I'm also I think might be linking into someone else within the home. So you might have to bear with me on that because I feel like I've got to going on with that makes sense. It's very odd to this. So it's interesting. I'm sometimes I have to get taken to a location which I do when I'm doing my. Have you got a Louis? Grandpa. Can you have that? I've got someone talking to me about Louie or Louis, but I would go Louie. Yeah. They're shouting at me. So Louie would be Louie would be a grandfather and Louie and Louis to me and Louis would be a brother to me. Okay. I think I've got two here. A Louie and a Louis. Would that make sense? Well, only one is passed over. But okay. I need to go into this that it's some so your grandfather Louie has passed over. He's shouting. He's quite, he's a strong man. I feel like I want to do as I'm told, not in a bad way. I didn't actually want to get into the mediumship, but there we go. This is how this is obviously working out. I feel like if I tune into your aura a bit, I would work energetically in your lower sacral root chakra point. Anything to do with the male, the prostate area, all of that. Does that make sense? All root back. Okay. Okay. And also top of the neck. I think where the like, but I don't know if this is someone else also in the house with a neck. I've also got someone talking about an aortic valve compromise. If that makes any sense. When I'm talking to my clients, because I don't call myself a medium. I ask them questions. I know you're stumming up because this is scientific. All right. It's very, um, you're, um, I'm going to assume it's your grandfather. I don't know it is. I'm just saying I'm giving you what I'm getting. He's taking me down. It's a weird thing. It's all white. Sometimes I get imagery. Does that make sense? So I have to piece together these little packets of data. And I, all I can see is like a white, like white squares. It's very old squares and quite a drop. I feel like if I looked down, I would be dropping down. I don't know. You're, you'll have to tell me afterwards. Okay. Um, Have they talking about an aortic valve, like rupture or aneurysm? I feel like I have to give you that. And you're, um, I would, if you were lying with me, I would, I don't mean that way. I mean, if you were in the, if I was doing a reading for you, I would go straight into lower back, you're aware of your shat points. Yes. I assume. Yes. You've got the gist of it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. They're also, um, show me. You, um, someone in what I would understand to be deep finance, whatever that means. Someone very, very, um, within finance or real estate or what we call, um, uh, estate agency here. I've got quite a muddle because I've got something from, have we got Marie? Marie. Yes. Linked to someone else, not you. Yes. Uh, do you, I feel like I've got too lots of information hitting me at once. Right. I mean, I can kind of tell you who that, who that is, or I could maybe not tell you who it is until later. No, that's fine. I'll go with this. Okay. I'm more, I'm kind of, I get, see, it's funny. When I'm doing this, I even get fixated in my mind. I'm stuck on those squares, the white square things. Well, they're not white. They're like a, um, like a wall. It's very odd. I can't kind of move beyond. I feel like I'm looking at like quite a lot of, um, do you know what it looks like? It sounds like odd thing. It looks like a cruise ship. A house that looks like a cruise ship. Yeah. I don't know about that. I can't make any sense of this. I'm sorry. Well, I'll kind of give you some stuff there. So these white squares are the house that I live in. It's a very modern house. It's kind of very close to the ocean. Okay. Does it look like a ship? It would definitely, if you're from various points of view, yeah, right on exactly. And it's unusual with the squares. It's these huge architectural squares. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're whoever this Louis is, and I'm not going to say to grandfather or not. I'm just saying that that I feel like I'm standing on a kind of patio. If that makes sense. Looking out. And it, would you say your house is rather large? Yes. I live in England. We live in rabbit hutches that we have to accept this. For me, that would be, um, can I say palatial? And I think grandfather has a lot of pride in, in that he would have been maybe someone that would have held a great pride with accomplishment or achievement. Materially. I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean, considering he considering he came to the United States with $5 sewn into the inside of his jacket. 14 years old from Greece. I don't know. You know. Okay. So I'll give you that one then because there is a sense of really, really deep pride and accomplishment of perhaps. Where you or you and whoever. Have accomplished in your life. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to be all sort of hokey and sure, sure, sure. He's really good looking man. And there's a moustache man as well. Okay. I don't know if he's over or, or is in the family, but really moustached. And I've got any reason I don't like that. I've got a thing about moustache men. It bothers me. Did he have a moustache? Really? It's quite a thick one. I've got definitely a male with a thick, thick, thick moustache. At different times. My dad didn't wear a moustache all the time, but he did sometimes. And when he did, was it quite, was it quite tight? Not really. No. Okay. Wow. Okay. You are the sensitive child. I'm being told. Okay. Sibling wise. So you've got siblings, but I'm being told you're very sensitive. Well, you wouldn't do this if you weren't. So you do not mean you can kind of, but they're saying actually you're very deep. You have a lot of, actually you've been given quite a bit of crap. Within your lifetime. Does that make sense that I think you've really had to bat off a bit and not internalize, but I do feel they say that you do kind of internalize it, whether you want to or not. Male condition, maybe. But you're very honest and you've got integrity. And as a child, I'm being told infinitely questioning everything. I would imagine you might have been a bit of pain in the, in the rump as a child in questioning. Would that make sense? Sure. Okay. I would suggest flushing off your system. Or at least speaking, the auric fields can hold a listening. I would also go back maybe 17 years ago within your, what I call timeline. So if you were with me, it's a bit difficult because I kind of want to get into your aura now. Properly. Doesn't that kind of doing in this sort of by locating way? But I would probably need to pull some stuff about 17 years ago. It's not exact, but we, this would go back into the aura field where you get stuff that's stuck. So whether it's 17 years ago or 17 days ago, that still sits with a soul. Does that make sense? Sure. And it is this sort of deep questioning. I've got a very strong female coming in. This is to do with, I want to say Mary, but I don't think it is. I think I will want to say Mary or Mary, not as he married me, but Mary or Marie with another female. The only Marie I connect with is still alive. Okay. But around the family circle. Yes. It would be, it would be my brother's wife. Okay. And any skeletal stuff with her. What kind of stuff? Skeletal. I don't know what that means. Skeletal or spine or hips. I'm going to shove that at you. Hips and joints. She just had like an injection, a cell stem kind of thing for her. Specifically for, for hips or number four or five back region. It was for the knees actually. Okay. But would it affect the hips and the lower back as well? Not true. The reason I'm just being given to shove that out there in there as well. Okay. Right. I would, obviously I need to do this. If you were lying on the couch, I would be probably doing what we were discussing, what is healing. But I do would do a sort of, I would sort of try and clear the mental layer. I know that you want answers and that's fine. But I do feel they're saying, don't try and over analyze. Don't over analyze. Okay. See, I've got two people pulling me all different sort of ways. So your, your ancestry is not from here, obviously. And from a very proud nation. Right. Okay. They're also talking about, when I say they, whoever I'm speaking to, they're talking about your partner. Right. My wife partner. I don't, you know, whatever it is. Wow. Okay. Would you say very formidable? I don't, be careful where we go here. No, I've been very, very, very strong. Mentally really strong. Okay. She's a forensic psychologist. She's, Oh God. Okay. So she has to think in a very, very conceptualized way, where you're a bit more expansive. Is that fair? You've got more, what I call the female brain. And she might have more of what I call the male brain. It's not about gender at all. It's just about energy. Yeah. No, I get what you mean. I don't, I don't. I don't really resonate with that because I feel like, you know, I've gone down this science and logic path as a way to access the deeper. Okay. You know, and that's like one of the things I say on, on the show often, especially for, you know, some people to understand, especially for women to understand that sometimes that's how men have to work, you know, I have to know it. I have to know it logically and overanalyzing before I can feel it. Yeah, that makes sense. But you are very deep. You do have that deep. Men tend to mask it perhaps a little bit more, but I think you, to me, it's, it's like a given. I mean, who are we? Why are we here? If you're not asked, if you're not asking those questions, what the hell are you doing? We are watching the football game. So many people don't do they, they don't ask those questions. They just take that the illusion is enough for them and they go about their lives and things. I think I might have just lost my connection going into the mental layer. I'm sorry about that. But that's okay. You know what, let's, let's, you did, I appreciate it. I'm really hot. That made me really, there was a lot of heat about that. I don't know. I don't know. Well, it's always, it's always interesting. It's always great. I appreciate it. You know, we ought to do it because we've spent some great time together and your answers have been fantastic. And I hope that they're useful to some people. I do want to return to that question that I had. Again, what is your hunch, Kathy, of what, if somebody investigated it a little bit with kind of the best scientific means we have now, where could we make some progress that could help people? Where could we get that app? Where could we get that breakthrough? I think the problem with science or scientists is they've got a very, it's very concrete viewpoint, isn't it? It's really hard to breach those rules as it were. So what I would say it until science becomes more open minded. Totally, totally get what you're saying. I'll give you a more specific example. We have auric cameras now. Yes, I've got one myself. Okay. So there is some technology. Yes. My understanding is that that technology has actually improved a little bit in the last 10, 20 years. Where do you see similar kind of gains that could be made? We have spirit communication devices that people are coming around with. Where do you see some progress potentially being made in that merger of technology and kind of extended consciousness? And is that a direction that is positive? Do you think that's good? Personally, as you probably know, I'm a bit techie phobes. So the aura camera for me is a teaching tool. It's great. It shows live aura, live chakra points. So if you're putting healing in, it shows. So you can demonstrate that if you're healing someone, it can affect the energy of that person and they can see it. Do you find from your experience that it is, for lack of a better word, accurate, is the camera accurately portraying what you're seeing in your personal energy work? It's not the tool that I use. I use it to teach, but I'm hands-on. I prefer the organic way of doing it. I think it can show a certain. I think it shows a lot of heat. The one that I've got apparently is on bioplasmic. So which is great because it can show different colors. There are certain aspects where if you put just a love into the heart with someone that's got heart chakra is shut down a bit. It does it. The heart chakra does open up. So there are aspects of that. But I don't know. I'm not sure that technology. I'm not sure. I don't know if I meet like you're saying the mediumship app. That would be. I mean, we've got mediumship phone lines for that to be there. Yes, yes. That's right. 81800. Yeah. Which I don't. I'm not a fan of, I must say. Well, Kathy, it's, it's been great. So, and we've talked about so many topics. I hope people can follow along and find something interesting there. And I definitely hope that they'll check you out if they're in the air. So, well, what area I'm have to confess. I don't know what area of the UK of England. Are you, are you in again? So I'm in Epsom, which is in Surrey famous for the Derby horse race. Awesome. It's on the outskirts of London. So any plans for any other ways to get your message out there? Do you have any book plans? I am writing a book that I've been writing for about 40 years. But it keeps evolving because, because the work's evolving. I just look back at the thing, well, that's outdated now. So it's a minefield because we are evolving. I think so quickly. I've got my website. I love to write blogs. So I've got a lot of blogs that people can read if they're so inclined. The website address will include it in the show notes. But what is it? www.cathymingo.com. So, and I've got a thing called consciousness TV, which I'm just trying to, it shows people a how to see aura, which is really easy to teach someone to see it is if you can take the mind out of the equation, which is I think the biggest problem for a lot of communication is the pesky mind. If you can take that out, seeing aura can teach you to do that on the TV show. And I'm also doing a ghost hunt thing. My personal, I suppose, my cheeky little habit is paranormal investigations. So that's what I'm doing. I've got my first one on November 9th. We've got technology. We've got the obelisks. We've got a doll that has EMS static and her eyes go blue when a spirit comes home. It's fun. That's my downtime. I go to ghost places and do that. That is so cool. That is so awesome. And so again, folks, it's been great spending this time with Kathy Mingo. We told you how to check out our website and please do that. And Kathy, just thanks so much for joining me and doing this demonstration as well. I hope it was all right. It seemed a bit. It wasn't how I normally do it. So I apologize. No, no, no apologies. It was great. And again, thanks so much. Okay. Thanks, Alex. Thank you everyone. Thanks again to Kathy Mingo for joining me today on skeptico. Wow. What a fantastic interview. You know, we've interviewed on the show. Of course, many, many. Fantastic scholars, academics, researchers. 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