 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, I'm gonna hijack him. For the first 27 minutes, Adam, Justin, and I have our intro conversation. Find out what the newest superfood is. It might have to do with cock roaches. That was a long pause there. Then we talk about repurposing failed drugs. Find out why Viagra is good for blood pressure. Yeah, that was the intent, right? We also talk about the show Planet Earth. Adam actually has a hack for watching Planet Earth. It involves cannabis. Then we talk about Jordan Peterson. Listen, go to YouTube, watch this guy's lectures, blow your mind. Sal's working on getting him on the show. I hope we can get him on the show. Be so awesome. We also talk about the Organifi Cacao Bliss and how we make some desserts with it. They are our sponsor. If you go to organifishop.com and enter the code Mind Pump without a space, you'll get a massive discount. We also mentioned bone broth from Thrive Market. Of course, Thrive Market has lots of stuff available on their site. All non-GMO, most of it organic. We are also sponsored by them. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump, here's what you're going to get. One month free membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more, and free shipping. Then we get into the questions. What's not organic and thrive? Just like the stuff? Like silverware and soap? Well, even that. Pirates booty wasn't organic. It's just non-GMO. There you go. Let me get into the questions. I've been saying organic. That's why I'm glad you cleared that up. The first question was, how did we work out while we were fasting? Without food for 48 to 72 hours, what kind of lifting and training did we do? Or were we smart and we did other things? Or did Justin do a CrossFit wad? The next question was, Cindy, find out if that's true. We talk about our orthorexic behavior. Someone wants to know if we've ever experienced orthorexic behaviors and what are some good ways to overcome them when we start to see that we're starting to have them? The next question was, someone wants us to talk about appetite pills. Like, do they work? Is it a good idea to take something to suppress your appetite? Or is it a bad thing? That answer is pretty easy. Finally, if we had to hire another mind pump host, who would it be and why? Find out who's the only one of us that's irreplaceable. Irreplaceable. One guess. It's definitely Justin. Come on. Sorry. He's like that spoiler alert guy. He's awful. We're cutting you off the intros. They're done listening now. Also, gave him everything. Don't worry about listening. Stay tuned. Like, wait for it. Oh, I just gave it to you. Gave it to him. Also, it's January. We're still in January. We're still doing, you know what's funny? 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And if you want a chance to win a t-shirt, all you got to do is go to your podcast app, leave a review. It's got to be a five-star review, because I ain't giving a free t-shirt to somebody who doesn't think we're the best. And if we like your review, and we think it's one of the better ones, if it's true or funny or awesome, we'll pick you and you'll get a free t-shirt. Oh, here we go now. Come on, Adam. Here we go, here we go, here we go now. Yeah. It's like, yeah. You remember what that was? You're like giving it away. Yeah. Give it away, give it away, give it away. You know what was, what do we listen to this morning while we're working out? Let's try to wrap up. Oh. Here we go, here we go, here we go now. You gotta have a little roll in there. No, we don't listen to any of this morning. No, I'm fucking lying. We don't. There was no any of it. No, Jessica's got to play the head down now. Was it just lifting day? No, it was not any of it. No, it was not any of it. So you're... You know how there's old songs that you used to lift to? I don't know if this happens to you. It happens to me sometimes. I forget about them. I stopped listening to them for years. Bro, Beastie Boys, Sabotage. Great song to lift to. Yeah, exactly. What a great song to lift to. Damn. It was good. Did it just come through the playlist today or something? Well, I put on Rage Against the Machine playlist. And that song was in the... That's what I think the real brilliance behind like Pandora and we're Spotify are at now. Like I think that's so cool to how it learns your patterns of what you like. And then you get these little... It's like having a little treat or a nugget one day. You know, because we've listened to... So you figure how much music you've listened to over the course of your, you know, 30 plus years of your life. Like there's a lot of great songs I forgot about. And then every once in a while you'll be listening to one of those lists is like, oh, I like this. You forget. You forget. It happened again the other day with Cypress Hill. Yeah. Insane in the member. Insane in the member. I was like, oh, shit. That's right. Somebody DM me one of our fans and he like reminded me of like so many good songs. Like one of them was like a Tower of Snakes. And oh my God, the breakdown. Any song that has like an amazing breakdown, like I get this like surge of testosterone like immediately. God damn. I gotta throw something. I felt that right now. Yeah. I just posted a video in the forum and I just tagged. Did you see it yet? No. This is guy jamming on some drums, but instead of drumsticks is using dildos. Wow. Yes. Does it actually sound good too? It's all good. Listen, it puts a whole new spin on the whole, you know, rock out with your cock out. Amen. He's got two of them. That guy has plans after the show. He's jamming on that. So I just read this interesting article on a site on our page on Facebook. I can't remember the name of it, but so sorry. I can't give you any love there, but so science ready for this, I'm going to read the headline to you and then we're just going to get your responses. Okay. Superfood. A new superfood has been discovered. A new one. Oh my God. Is it goji? No, I think it's a berry that only grows somewhere in certain temperature. It can't be a berry again. If you guess what this is, I would have been blown away. There's no way you'll guess. So the new superfood. Algae. Scientists think cockroach milk could be the next super protein. Milk? Source. They produce milk. They apparently... They're little TVs? They do. Little cockroach TVs? So apparently the... That's so gross. Apparently the milk that comes out of a cockroach is chock full of protein. Maybe you could use it, harvest it, transform it into a food supplement. So it's the Pacific beetle cockroach. Now the milk that they produce is three times more nutrient dense and protein dense than buffalo milk, which is already more dense than cow milk. So if you compare it to cow milk, cockroaches... I want to see an assembly line. Hammer. Of all these cockroaches. We're going down that route. You know what I think is happening? I think what's going on right now is they're trying to warm us up, because I think scientists all got together at some point and they're like, guys everybody listen. We're running out of the magical... By the year 2025, we all have to eat bugs. So let's start getting people... Like they're doing a launch sequence. You know what I'm saying? They got to drip it a little bit. But cockroach, you know, that's like a bold move. You guys love them cricket chips, man. Cricket's fine. Cockroaches are dirty. Well, think about it this way. You have no... There's no animal right activist that's going to defend... That's true. Like nobody likes cockroaches. Yeah. I think people celebrate that work, you know. Oh, no, that'd be awesome. Think about the pest control businesses now they can double as a also milk business. Yeah, yeah. So you've got your cockroach business. You're going to eradicate them and milk them right here. But you're not even killing them. You're just capturing them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Just start making money on the boat. On both at sea. There it is. God, that's gross. That is really gross. I don't want to drink anything that comes from... That is not real. That is not real. That's an awful image. If that was on the... How the fuck do you get the milk? Hey, if that was on the front of the log... On the label. Yeah. Who buys that? And are you sure it's milk? You know what I mean? Like we're on the body. How do we... Okay. How do we milk a cockroach? I don't think you... I don't... I mean, I don't know. Yeah. You squeeze the hell out of it. It's impossible. Hands are far too large. Yeah. Their teats are too small. I don't know. I don't know how it works. Yeah. How do you... Well, I guess we could extract it after you kill... You'd probably crush it, kill it, and then you'd have to do some sort of a filtering process. No, I think that would be... See, maybe, but I would think that would be inefficient. I think the smart thing to do would be to figure out how to harvest the superfood milk without killing the cockroach. Because then you can... Oh, so like, like, like how we do with cows. So there should be like machines. Yeah. It's like super, super tiny little machines. You know what I mean? Have you seen the movie that's coming out? I kind of want to see it. Which one? It reminds me of like Honey Eyes Trunks the Kids when we were little with that movie. You just remember that movie, right? Oh, yeah. The one where they shrink people down. Yeah. Have you seen the new one that's coming out? Yeah. It's just that the title says it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's called Down Size. No. That was obvious. Oh, and it's kind of cool because the theory, and I haven't seen the movie yet, but it looks like from the previews, they have figured out how to shrink us to the size of an ant and so... Make a little community that's just smaller... So they build a community the size of this studio, right? Imagine that if you're the size of an ant, how huge. This is like, this is 10 times bigger than... Big-ass house. Yeah. So, and what they do is they say, like, you're $1 million, or you're, you know, $400,000 you have in your savings after you sold your house, all your vehicles, now is worth $10 million in the Down Size meanwhile. Yeah, yeah. And so people are like, fuck yeah, man, I've been hustling my whole life, 40 years old, grinding to make $80 grand a year and shit like that, barely getting by middle class, and fuck, if I could turn this in, we have a mansion, we have... So that's what people do. So it's pretty... That's not like a smart movie. That's not like a smart movie. No, it's a clever movie. Very clever. Yeah, I thought it was clever. I'd like to watch that. So here's another headline that came out. This was... This actually was published in Science Daily last year, but I just became aware of it. This was a study that was done. It was a quite large study, and the source was reading here, Alina Health. Here's the title of the article in Science Daily. Most major heart attacks occur in people with normal cholesterol levels. Normal cholesterol levels. You put that in a forum. I did. I saw that. You know, we've known about this, dude. Here's the thing with cholesterol levels that is true. Cholesterol is... If you have high cholesterol, you're all-cause mortality. So all-cause mortality takes all things into account. Cancer, Alzheimer's, heart disease, diabetes, all the things that will kill you. If you have high cholesterol, your all-cause mortality rate is lower than someone who has low cholesterol. You might have a slightly higher correlation or connection to heart disease, but all-cause mortality goes down. Cancer, in particular, is inversely related. If your cholesterol is high, your cancer rate goes down. So does depression and anxiety. But what's funny about the study is I'm reading it, and they spin it. They spin it in a way and say, oh, well, then we need to put people who have normal cholesterol on statin drugs, because statin drugs, I know you're shaking your head. I know. They've got to find pharmaceutical companies. They've got to find something to do with all those pills they made. Bro, think about it. If you're a $10 billion industry and they're like, oh, fuck, study came out that showed that normal cholesterol people get heart attacks, get the PR team together. We've got to figure out how we can fucking spin this shit. Isn't that really how they do that, though? Isn't that happen a lot where they have a drug that ends up we find out that has some adverse effect or that it's not as ideal for something. So they find something else that we can use it for and then they mark it. Hasn't that been done in history before? That's what they always do, man. It gets rebranded. If you're a smart company, that's what you do. You know what I'm saying? If you're a smart business. I wonder what the stat is on. How many drugs like that were intended to be for something else that they just found something else to be almost like side effects? I can name two. Really? I can name two off the top of my head. Give me one. Viagra. Viagra is number one. So Viagra is a PDE-5 inhibitor. It's a vasodilator. A PDE-5 enzyme breaks down nitric oxide. When you inhibit that enzyme, you have more nitric oxide, so you get better blood flow and the theory was better blood flow through vasodilation means lower blood pressure. So they'd come out with, they'd invented these drugs to lower blood pressure and what they, this is literally what happened. Everybody was banging. They did, they did studies and they're like, oh, it's kind of effective for lowering blood pressure. But you know what's doing really well. I'm banging the shit out of my lamp lately. But one of the number one side effects that these studies are listing is that people are getting erections like crazy. And so the brilliant PR marketing team or whatever from these companies was like, holy shit, we were going to try and crack into an industry that's going to maybe would have made us, you know, half a million, half a billion dollars. But now we can sell a boner pill, which is worth, you know, half a, you know, trillion dollars. And that's exactly what they did. It has to be one of the best success, oops, stories ever, right? That's another, Minoxidil. We just created a billion dollar market. So Minoxidil, same thing. Minoxidil was also supposed to, I believe initially was for, I think blood pressure too. I'm not quite sure. But one of the side effects was when people got it on themselves, they grew hair. So they're like, oh fuck, let's sell this to men who want to grow more hair on their head. And it became a product like that. Kind of scary though. Kind of scary that that's just how there's not probably a lot of thought that goes into like, oh, this sucks, grows hair. Let's sell it. But then no one really doing a lot of research on the potential side effects after using it for 10, 15, 20 years. I get dizzy from low blood pressure. I wonder how many are out there. I wonder if there's a lot. There's a lot. So, and a lot of times what those, so like SSRI drugs or antidepressant drugs are more, I don't know if it's more often or almost as often as they're prescribed for depression. They're also prescribed for other things that have nothing to do with depression. So like if you want to quit smoking, right? You go to doctor and you're like, I smoke. I need to quit smoking. They will prescribe you on, they can't prescribe you something. Basically anything that makes you feel bad. Yeah, like well butchering. Oh, here. Here's some well butchering. Or I got back pain. They can't figure out why I have back pain. Try this antidepressant and then sometimes it helps or you know whatever. That's the game, dude. The game is to, if you're a company that sells a product and you know what your market is, a time-tested strategy to make more money is to increase the size of the market now that you're advertising to. That's all it is. So if you look at, if you go back 30 years and you went to your doctor and they looked at your cholesterol, if it was above like 230, they would say that's high. Then they changed it and they changed it. Now if it's over 200, that simple 30 number, between 230 and 200, that simple change opened up tens of millions of people now who now can prescribe statins and that's what they're trying to do now with this and say oh shit, people with normal cholesterol get heart attacks too. You know what that means? That means everybody should be on a statin because we have these studies that show when you put someone on a statin, it reduces the statin the other. But what it actually does is increase risk of muscle wasting, potential for cancer and depression and stuff like that. Jesus. I know, isn't that funny? Hey, was it you telling me that you and Jess were watching the New Planet Earth? Yeah. Mind blown. That's been out for a long time. It's a new one? It's not new, yeah. Well, it's been out not for that long, bro. Yeah, on Netflix it's new, but it's been out for a long time. I thought this was new and I got all excited and I was like, I fucking saw that like last year. No, there's two of them, right? Yeah, it's the second one. Season two. It's been out for a long time. So it's like a year old? Yeah, dude. Really? Yes. That's so weird. I know because I got all excited. There's a new one out. It's been out. Well, you're like that guy. You know that guy that everybody has a friend like this where you're like, dude, check out this new band. I've been listening to them for fucking years. Like forever ago. Yeah. Where have you been? So it was, okay. So is that what it is? Is like on Discovery Channel, if you watch it. It was on Discovery first, yeah. And then the BBC produced it and then now Netflix picked it up and put it on their platform. Bro, it's so brilliant. It is one of those things that, I mean, we were watching it just in awe. I just, I figured a hack out for myself, dude. This is, so yesterday was just for me a stressful day, just a lot I was trying to handle on one day, just as far as communication and the business and everything going on. And I just felt it. And I remember telling Katrina, I said, I was texting her on the way home. I'm like, I need one of those nights where we just reset. So funny. I said the same thing. Did you? Yeah. So I said this. We all must have been in the same page. Right. So I got all connected. Right. How does that work? They'll share a penis circle. Yeah. So I get home and it's like, I don't know, four o'clock or so, which by the time I get home at four o'clock, I normally work for another like four hours on other stuff, social media, email shit, talking to fucking business to whatever, right? And so what I told myself was, okay, I need to fucking shut down. Even though there's a million things I need to get done right now, none of them will get accomplished by tonight and it'll just stress me out more to continue this pace. And I won't sleep tonight. So I know that I got to begin this decompressing process right now. Or I'm fucked. Bro, that's smart. Right? And then also I'm really good about letting my partner know heads up that I could be a pain in the ass tonight because I've got all this. It's not you. It's me. I've got all this shit going on. I love you. Just heads up, right? So that was also the flowers was fucking thinking. Oh, is that why you brought the flowers? Yeah, yeah. So I'm thinking. I'm a forward thinker. Preventative. I'm probably going to say something stupid. Here's a little preemptive flower giving. God damn it. Let me write that down. But anyway, so I'm texting back and forth with Katrina. She's probably got an hour before she's going to be home. And so I was like, well, fuck what am I doing? Well, her and I have our own shows that we watched, but we hadn't watched the season two. She hates, she doesn't like, she doesn't get into it like I do. And so. I never smoked a drink and watched it. So I sat down. So I sat down and had a hybrid. And I got a little more, you know, elevated than I normally would. Like, so typically I have my routine if I'm trying to relax or sleep. It literally just takes me like two puffs and I'm good. And I'm like, I'm really fucking. I'll have one of those days. So I had like half a joint, which is a ton for me. So I was pretty lifted. And so I decided I'm like browsing on Netflix. Oh, I've been wanting to watch this. So I get into it. Dude, I got so sucked into that Katrina comes out. She's like, she's like, let's go to the saw. She's trying to help me out. I'm like, I'm cool. I'm good. I'm so good right now. I don't bring anything else up about working like this. Let's just stay focused. How many episodes did you watch? I think I burned through like three straight, dude. Did you watch the one where I don't know where it is, but it's like a mountain range. And in the daytime, it's hot as hell. But at night, it gets ice. It gets cold so quickly that everything crystallizes. No. So don't wait. What we can talk about when I did see that I thought was fucking, I couldn't stop watching it. Oh, I know what you're going to say. The crabs and the snakes. Oh, it wasn't a crab. It was a lizard. Oh, yeah, lizard. Sorry. There was a crab one also. All the snakes coming out of all the rocks. That looked like out of a movie, dude. That really happened somewhere. It was in Iguana, and it was running away from those snakes. And it's going through the rocks. Yes. And out of, you thought it was dead, and it just kept fighting its way out of it. Out of every corner of that, wherever it was, out of every hiding spot, literally like snakes came from everywhere. 50 snakes from everywhere. Like 15 footers. That Iguana was a champion. They were like 15 footers. We're chasing this little two foot or one foot Iguana. And they're just out of everywhere. Oh, God. It looked like it was something out of a movie, right? It looked like something that was fake. That like that doesn't happen. You know what it reminded me of? It reminded me of like you're watching a movie on mythology. Like the snakes are coming out of the tackle, you know? Yeah. Didn't it look like that? Insurmountable odds. It's just like fighting its way through all that shit. Yeah. So I haven't been this affected in literally... You're going to share him right now? I'm going to talk about it real quickly, but I haven't... Oh, there. He's got the video up there right now. What a great... Look at that. They make it so... They make it so dramatic. It's so crazy. So I haven't been this affected and this impacted in... I don't know, a long, long time. I watched Jordan Peterson do a talk at the Emanuel Theater in, I believe, the UK. And I shared that video with Adam. And I was very happy that you watched it right away. Well, dude, you know psychology is my jam. So like, I love... That's what I love to listen to anyway. So when you sent it over to me and I started to watch the teaser, I was instantly sucked in. Then I started going down the rabbit hole of his stuff. Dude, I highly recommend every one of our listeners, everybody, go on YouTube and look up Jordan Peterson. He does a talk at the Emanuel Theater. He talks about his book, the 12 Steps to... I think it's 12 Steps to a Life Without Chaos or something like that. What a brilliant, brilliant man. The way he presents things, the way he talks about things, about our own human nature is just absolutely spectacular. There's a couple of things he said in there that were very basic, and they're things that I know, kind of, but just the way he puts them is just so brilliant. One thing that he said that I thought was just the way he said it was so good, because we talk about on the show all the time how you should embrace, seek out moments and times where you think you're right and you may be proven wrong and then embrace it because you now went from a state of unawareness to more awareness or you went from not being right to now you're getting better information and you're growing. What he says and the way he calls it is he says, make friends with what you don't know. Make friends with that because it's such a challenge to people when you're talking to someone, you want to be right. Everybody wants to be right versus wanting to grow and learn. And he said, what was that term he said about? You're better being a transforming fool than a tyrannical king. Than a tyrannical king. Being right isn't important. What's important is that you grow and that you learn and all the things that we tend to fight because we're proven wrong and we don't want to believe it and there's all this cognitive dissonance and whatever. Embrace it and make friends with it and then what will happen is your growth will explode and will absolutely explode. That's about that and a lot of other things in that particular talk. So highly, highly, highly recommend. You guys watch it. I'm going to be late to the party on that one but that sounds right. Dude, you got to check it out and then you of course you saw him eviscerate that journalist. I did watch that. I posted that one on the forum too. That was great. Very, very cool. I hope we get him on the show. That'd be awesome. Oh, let me tell you, dude, that would be a dream, man. Like I said, it's been a long time since I found Milton Friedman. That was the last time I watched someone which is so blown away by them and Jordan Peterson is one of those. It's funny too because I posted a quote by him on my Instagram and I've had a ton of DMs from people who listen to our show and fall and listen to some of his lectures and stuff. It's pretty interesting. Another interesting thing about him is so he's a clinical psychologist and a highly intelligent one, written lots of books and Harvard professor, his daughter had lots of health issues and suffered from depression and rheumatoid arthritis. I saw another video where him and his daughter were being interviewed and his daughter was talked about how she basically treated her depression that she's been taking medication. Remember, her dad is a psychologist. She's been treating her depression with SSRI drugs and anti-anxiety drugs for a long time. Since she was 12, she was 24 in the video. What she did is she changed her diet and for the first time in her life since she was 12 it went away. It literally went away. She has her dad on there who's you talk to any psychiatrist or psychologist and you say, hey, I'm thinking about curing my depression with food and they'll roll their eyes or they'll get pissed off. I mean, very open-minded dad, right? He talks about how, yeah, I saw this major change in my daughter and how I adopted some of the stuff that she said in her diet because he also has something that runs in their family. Very interesting angle too to attack mental problems with nutrition. Nobody talks about that. Here's what pisses me off. Of course what you eat has an impact. Of course what you eat has an impact and we now know that depression and mental illness is strongly tied to and connected to inflammation. We know inflammation has a role that it plays in all of those things and when you are in a state of hyperinflation because of autoimmune responses to food, then if you get rid of that, you're gonna get rid of a lot of the things that may be causing your depression and all of a sudden you'll feel absolutely fantastic and the reason why I think a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists balk at that idea is because you'll read a million different stories and you'll have a million different ways people ate and it helped them. This person over here went vegan and they cured their depression. This old person over here went paleo and this person over here is going keto and because Western medicine wants to standardize everything and have specific parameters, it sounds like bullshit, but when you keep in mind and understand that the human immune system is a fingerprint, like my immune system is mine. There is no immune system that is identical to mine at all. There are gonna be foods that affect me in particular ways that are gonna stimulate a immune response, potentially cause an inflammatory response that for you may be absolutely fine. You may eat an avocado, have no problem whatsoever, but I may have antibodies that have been built up from eating avocados, I'll eat that avocado, now I get these issues and so that's why it's so individual. So, but anyway, great stuff. I go down the rabbit hole on YouTube, so many lectures with that guy, very, very cool stuff. And you're already working on getting them, right? That's the whole idea right now. I am working on getting him in here, would love to have him in here. I have a four hour podcast. The guy goes off too. You ask him a question and he, you watch his interviews, he goes off. And it's really, really cool. Did you guys try the dessert that I made yet? I did. We had it last night. I apologize to all my Instagram people and I will do an Instastore bomb. I put a little twist on ours though. So would you have the full fat coconut milk in the can? No, I didn't do that. I had the cocoa bliss, right? Organified cocoa bliss? Yeah, so I had the cocoa bliss. I put that in the cocoa whip. Oh, that's right. And we whipped that really hard and then we put strawberries and then just a tiny bit of granola on it. Oh, that's right. I forgot about the coconut whip cream. That made it bomb. It tasted like, literally tasted like chocolate frozen yogurt with strawberries and a little bit of granola. Organified out, did themselves with that product. We used two scoops of it and Katrina and I were serving for Katrina and I. We did the same one last night where we got full fat coconut milk and then we put it in the fridge that it separated, took the pure fat and I blended that with the cocoa bliss and it's this super thick creamy. It's like, I don't know how to explain it, it's almost like a frosting that you can put on a cake. And it's pure fat. So if you're keto, Justin's like, I put like two scoops. This is a big deal for me and a big game changer for me personally and I'll tell you why because I'm 100% know that I am addicted to sweets and sugar and I've grew up my whole life. So for 25 years of my life, candy and ice cream and those things were a daily, regular thing. So I still battle and struggle with that so finding these little alternative choices for myself that actually have a lot of health benefits behind it so if I can actually have something that's somewhat healthy. Now this isn't an idea I shouldn't be eating this fucking for meals every single day but when I have those moments when I'm late at night and I feel like I want that ice cream, it definitely satisfies that craving without all the extra side effects that come with slamming a bin in Jerry's. So some of the ingredients that are in there there's of course raw cacao which cacao is a I hate to use the term superfood, especially since we talked about cockroach milk, right? But it's very, very very high in compounds that have been shown to be protective in the body anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory I've been on and off using or you know raw cacao for quite a while and also if you take enough of it we'll have a little bit of a stimulatory effect so if you want something to kind of pick you up but you're not trying to go with caffeine or coffee, you can do that but then it also has anti-inflammatory things in there so there's turmeric in there then they have horsetail in there which is a natural kind of deretic, which is kind of cool if you're someone that holds a little bit of water here's what I find interesting about this typically sweets make you hold water so they have something in there that does the opposite brilliant formulation this tastes very, very good well and it's, we used to I used to use cacao in my coffee and when we got it from Chimaera because Chimaera has cacao also but this cacao is like I mean it tastes really good it's like cacao, cacao it's got a really good flavor to it it made that cocoa whip literally tastes like chocolate frozen yogurt I couldn't tell otherwise it was pretty bomb so I'm stoked by it bring it for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge try Organifi, totally risk free for 60 days by going to Organifi.com that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout first question is from Ginger Gample how do you guys go about your workout routines when fasting? do you keep it as is? do you like exercises or skip it completely for the period of the fast? depends, that's probably the biggest number one question I got from people if you're doing a fast oh my god, stepping away from the gym I'm glad you put it up there too because that was probably one of the number one things I got inboxed also what are you doing for your workout I've done both I've worked out fasted and then I've had workouts where I don't I think when you think of it this way if you're somebody who most of us are trying to reduce body fats one way or another even if your goal is potentially to build and be buff for the most part most of us have some extra body fat that we can lean out on you so the way I look at it it's not gonna hurt you to workout but you don't need to and you are already fasted your body is already metabolizing fat all day so if there was gonna be a time that I was gonna take off from the gym I would more than likely do it when I'm running a 24-48 hour fast but that's not to say that maybe I decided to do this fast right in the middle of me on my hardcore bulk and building for like a show or something like that which I've done this before and interrupted that process by doing a fast because I was so on a goal to build maintain as much muscle as possible I'm also in my routine that I don't want to break and I know that I'm not gonna die or it's not gonna hurt me to train while I'm also fasted I probably just bring down the intensity level quite a bit because I don't need to well here's the thing too if it's a prolonged fast it might not be a good idea I know for me and for most people who do a 24 hours but 48 72 hours when you start to go long you get hypotension this is where your blood pressure drops it's a normal natural there's nothing wrong with it but it can make you dizzy probably not a good idea to hammer yourself intensely in the gym and the other thing too is you have to consider what you're doing the fast for when I'm fasting I'm not thinking to myself I'm doing this to build muscle I'm not doing this to yes the side effect of the health benefits and the side effect of the fast I may then you know respond better to protein I may then be able to build more muscle as a side effect but that's not really my goal and I think the reason why we got this question so much from people is because people are so scared of losing muscle and performance exactly they want like somebody to tell them it's okay to not work out that day as what I think more than anything and yes it's okay to not work out that day I used to work out fasted but it was typically when I was doing more of like the warrior diet sort of protocol where I knew I was like going to replenish my body afterwards but for a prolonged fast me personally I don't really see a lot of benefit in trying to work out and be in that mindset in the gym where all the benefits like going through this prolonged fast it's very much of a mental like a parasympathetic like I'm trying to like slow down I'm trying to like work on nice like lower intense type activities and just be mindful so it's a totally different feel totally different and I did a bunch of research before we did this on because there was that one documentary I watched which is Science of Fasting I highly recommend it on Amazon I've been recommending that to everybody and in there they showed how in Russia or in Eastern European countries they've been using fasting medicinally for a long time so people go to these clinics and they'll go there with something that is chronic like asthma, rheumatoid arthritis you know, Crohn's something that is chronic that we really don't have a cure for all we can do is treat the symptoms they'll go in there and these are clinics that are run by medical professionals so it's not like you're going to I'm talking about western medicine type professionals so it's not like you're going to some hippie or whatever who's telling you to do this, you're going in there and it's a doctor and what they do, and not saying that that's better but what they do is they prescribe a fast to these patients and many times the fast that they prescribe is over two weeks long many of them times 14 to 21 days and what they do during that period of time is they monitor them for any potential adverse effects and the vast majority of people have no issues whatsoever but every once in a while you'll see oh this person is developing a nutrient deficiency so we'll do this, that and the other but most of the time there's nothing and when I dug deeper off the documentary when I started going online and digging deeper, they recommend that people exercise during the fast now, there's a big caveat here, it isn't a normal workout, you're not going to fucking work out what they recommend is being active moving, tai chi yoga, maybe some stretching walk on the beach, nice little easy hike somewhere, blood circulation I think a terrible combination with fasting is to fast and sit your ass down on the couch and don't move, I think that's a bad combination because that's extremely catabolic now you're sending a couple signals to your body one is we don't have food which turns on a separate operating system and not necessarily bad, actually can be very good but then you're sending another signal that says not only am I not eating but I'm not moving and if you want your body to adapt in a way to reduce muscle, reduce like all these other things that can potentially be negative to your health well now you're starting to do that so if you're fasting prolonged I highly recommend you stay active and that's what I did, I did stretching I did mobility work, I did not lift weights like I normally did at all for hikes and walks and yeah just spend some time in nature and you know, chill. Well the bottom line is whether you do or you don't work out it's really splitting hairs the difference of the impact it's going to make on you it's not going to be super detrimental it's not going to be super beneficial to do either or and I think when you're doing this for health reasons what I find for us or what we did and contributed you know I try to focus on the other aspects of my health and fitness journey that I probably neglect like going to the gym and lifting the weights is something I'm very consistent about eating a certain way all the time I'm very consistent with those things what I'm inconsistent with is maybe the things where I go take this quiet walk in nature or maybe I sit down and actually meditate for a half hour to an hour or maybe reflect on some things or maybe read or these other aspects of my life that do affect my overall health that this is a good time I feel like to focus on those things now it's not to be said like I said if I was in the middle of a program or a certain goal that I'm getting and I want to be consistent and I want to go to the gym well then fucking go to the gym well and I think the paranoia being that like you're going to lose all this momentum when you get back to the gym right like you get fed but the opposite is true like for me like coming back in and then like refeeding and then going back to my normal schedule I got so much energy mental clarity and like motivation it's crazy so so that's another thing people ask me am I going to lose muscle maybe maybe if it's best if it's long probably however here's what you'll also turn minimal here's what you first of all it's minimal right second of all it comes back very quickly and very quickly better yeah so I go I obviously the day after my fast you know I'm back in the gym and I had because it because then I you know I had done my refeed or whatever and which we should get into a little bit of how you do that properly and then I went into the gym and worked out and I went really easy in the gym because I hadn't eaten for three days and I just had one meal before that and I was definitely not as strong not as you know I didn't have all this crazy stamina but the second and third workout was like boom boom all of us right now I'm having better workouts than I've had in months and it's because the fast the same thing yeah have you noticed the same thing very same thing and it did it was a little bit of a snail pace you know like the first second day and then just like all of a sudden just took off dude I'm lifting heavier I feel stronger my mobility is better so yes initially you'll lose a little bit just like you when you get okay if you go to the gym and hammer your legs are you going to lose some strength from your legs the next day well of course your sore your sore you're not going to be a strong but then when your legs recover and adapt you come back stronger so you want to think of fasting that way now I do want to touch on what you feed yourself to break your fast because we talked we talked a little bit about this but I think universally the one thing I can recommend to people to have is bone broth bone broth is a very easy thing to digest it provides the body with minerals you've got some proteins from you know some gelatinous proteins which have which are high in amino acids that are good for the gut it's high in sodium which is something that you'll need more of the one that I got was Thrive Market have you guys tried the Thrive Market bone broth I haven't tried that you've said something you said you really like so whips them up so I've tried bone broth from Whole Foods they sell it in the glass jar I've sold I've tried several brands from Whole Foods and they're all pretty they're all decent they're all pretty good Thrive Market by far my favorite one it's the cheapest one too which is which is of course crazy but it comes in a carton and that's what we did we just you know opened up that carton you pour it in a you know in a pan or whatever you warm it up a pot you warm it up and then just drink that and wait about an hour or two hours before you start introducing food great way to break a fast also of course everybody knows bone broth is really really good for gut health in general there it is thanks Doug grass fed beef bone broth $7 for a freaking carton of it which for a 16.9 ounce carton which is about half of what you would pay at a store like Whole Foods or whatever so good stuff highly recommended next question is from Joe Puschner curious if any of you have experience with orthorexic behaviors and the best ways to overcome it when you catch yourself in that mindset for sure like us personally for sure have I experienced orthorexic behaviors I think well first explain to people what that is so orthorexia is a term used to describe in eating disorder where you have to eat everything has to be healthy perfect and healthy and anything outside of that causes great mental distress and is your basically your quality of life has declined because you're so obsessed with everything having to be perfect and healthy with your like neurotic about it neurotic so it's not you just eat healthy it's literally like if I go off of this it consumes you so it's an eating disorder I have definitely experienced behaviors that I could clarify as orthorexic I mean for years I ate you know six to eight meals a day and it was you know rice beef or chicken broccoli or asparagus or tilapia and it was the same thing all the time I had to have a certain amount of protein I had to have a certain amount of grams of carbohydrates a certain amount of fat I had to eat at a certain time so my schedule now remember this you want to talk about you know orthorexic behaviors here I am I own a you know small you know wellness facility personal training wellness facility I'm also personally training between eight to twelve clients every single day so I'm doing a shit ton of personal training and I'm figuring out and organizing my schedule so that I can also eat you know one meal at home in the morning but about four to five of my meals are at work and I had I literally organized my schedule so that when one client left I had five to ten minutes throw my food in the microwave scarf it down because I had to eat exactly I would not go more than three hours without eating so it was terrible it was terrible for me because when that would get broken if I went traveling with someone if something happened you know I can I can countless times this would happen where I'd be with a client we're finishing up our session I know I'm gonna have about seven minutes to eat my meal it's been exactly three hours client leaves potential customer walks in now I'm talking to a potential customer about hiring me or one of my trainers as a personal trainer that takes up my ten minutes client walks in I get this sense of fuck I'm gonna miss my meal and it would ruin my day and it was for me it was such a breakthrough moment to realize that that wasn't important if I skipped meals it didn't affect my muscle mass and my performance and then from there once I was able to break free from that behavior I was able to examine it and say to myself well that was fucking dysfunctional that way I can't believe how attached I was to that because when you're in the middle of it you don't see it you know I mean you don't see you just think it's totally normal so that's one I can tell I can say for myself you know I think that it it makes the most sense that being the guy who competed and carried and looked his food around and waited measured everything that I would have for sure dealt with this or battle with this at one point but if I'm being completely honest I know I don't I don't think so and I think an example of that and I'm sure I'm surprising somebody who is would assume that because I was in the competitive world and you do those things that I would I would struggle with you know weaving in or out of that but you know I was somebody for almost four years probably about three and a half years consistently was more anal more dialed more consistent with exactly a lot of things that Sal was saying but at the same time too I had no problem letting it go in fact I actually looked forward to the day that I could I could let it go I did it and a lot of the things that you said Sal that I also did I did it because I was under the impression that that that's what the science said I thought that I thought I was reading the right information that you know trying to get a meal after 20 minutes after working out now I didn't fret about it because I didn't hit it all the time I missed I missed it a lot now what about when you were younger and you know because I know we've talked about this and you're like afraid of losing weight and you have to eat you know a certain amount and if you don't you're going to lose muscle okay not orthorexic but that's so okay so there there probably was a time in my life in my teenage years to early 20s where you know trying to stuff myself to to gain weight but again even then there there wasn't so much of a fear about it or as much as I thought that this is what I was supposed to do to gain weight and when I found out that that wasn't true when I when I read the literature when I really understood and I really learned it was actually a great relief to not feel like I need to do that so I feel like if you have these orthorexic behaviors you get more I don't know I didn't have this fear I didn't have this fear of doing this or not doing that like I see it in clients for sure I've trained people that struggle with letting go like if I start eating that way I'm going to get super fat or I'm going to be this way or oh if I you know if I don't do this and I'm going to look this way like I didn't ever have that fear I just thought like hey I want to get bigger and I'm having a hard time I need to eat more food I gotta keep eating more food I'm not eating enough food and there is there was actually some truth to that you know I was just burning and moving so much I couldn't consume enough to do it I just had a bad approach at it because I didn't really understand how to do that I didn't understand nutrition at the level that I do now so I really didn't I didn't have a lot of those behaviors and you would think again now I am very familiar with it and maybe that's why to because when I got into competing that I was how old were you when you started competing 30 oh yeah yeah I'm over I'm over I'm older than that 36 now I was only 40 so 32 yeah because when I dealt with all my shit my yeah you're 20 and let me tell you because you and I are a lot alike on in a lot of ways but you are you know you are more hypomanic about certain things when it comes to your your fitness goals oh for sure and I know that's your the son your science background and you're thinking I know that's my that's my personality with anything yeah right anything I get into I can get and and I'm not that way I can let go of things I can weave in and out I'm not attached to it very much I can be so crazy where I'm carrying my food everywhere I go and measuring everything that I eat and counting every calorie for three years every single day and then all the sudden turn it off the next day and not to have it again and actually be completely fine so but I think that what I what I did learn from being around so much of it inside of the competitive world was because I had the education because I had trained so many people before that and dealt with this so much when I was got into it I was blown away and fascinated by how how predominant it was in that community because I had the impression going in that these would be the elite of elite minds when it comes to nutrition and working out and I was gonna learn something I went into it thinking like these guys and girls are gonna fucking teach me a lot I can't wait like I think I'm a smart guy and know what I'm talking about getting into this then I got into it and realized oh fuck these people have fucking worse eating habits and patterns and relationships with food and exercise than the motherfuckers I've been helping for my last 15 years like this is crazy so maybe that also helped me not get sucked into potentially reverting back to those behaviors but yeah I don't I don't I didn't really struggle with that I mean I think if you're a mind public or hopefully if you struggle with that we've we've helped you work through that because I feel like a lot of what we discuss we discuss a lot about the relationship with food I mean that's what the intuitive guide was written for was to help people whether it be an orthorexia or anorexia or any sort of eating disorder you know we've addressed and talked about quite a bit so this so it also the question also is how do you you know what are some best ways to overcome when you catch yourself in that mindset the most effective thing I found there's a few strategies that I've used with clients who have dealt with who have orthorexic type behaviors and one that seems to be the most effective is the following people who there's a there's a few root causes to orthorexia or like any food you know issue a lot of it has to do with control it's a feeling controls was anorexic bulimia orthorexia you know big erexia what they'll call guys who want to eat a lot of food because they feel skinny all time that all centers around control but with orthorexic there's this underlying I want to be healthy like this is for my health so they justify it by saying but I'm eating healthy food and so what I do which rings competitors right that's what right right right and so what I what I say to these people who are really really who have now told themselves although they don't really believe it because if they really were about their health they would understand that what they were doing was wrong but they really want to believe that it's about the health is I explain to them that food is a lot more than how it feeds your physical body so I'll explain them I'll say how it affects you aesthetically all of that so so if you're eating food you can break food down into its components proteins fats carbohydrates micronutrients phytonutrients all these other things how it affects your body is it healthy for you is it going to help you because maintain leanness is it going to help performance all those things that's important but that's not all food is if it was we would not have the elaborate cultures that we've designed and created around meal times and eating and there wouldn't be cultures where they make food in particular ways and there wouldn't be this long I mean food is way more than the sum of its parts food means a lot more to us than just sustenance if it was just sustenance let me tell you something right now there would be no problem with illness obesity there would be no problem with anything else food is a lot of different things and food can feed a lot of things not just your physical body and the examples I like to give are let's say you haven't visited your parents in a long time and you go visit your mom you haven't seen her in a few months and she makes that homemade pie that she made when you were a kid and she gets a glass of wine out and says hey let's sit down and have some good conversation and eat this pie that I used to feed you when you were a kid and drink this alcohol it won't get a little loose and we'll have a great time at that moment you're not feeding your physical body that wine isn't doing you any benefit neither does the pie it's full of sugar whatever she decided to make it with but what you're feeding is maybe that connection you're making with that person in front of you or maybe you're feeding a feeling you know there's a lot that and when you acknowledge that you can acknowledge it and connect to that and become aware of that now you're a step closer to eating intuitively now if I go on a vacation and I'm sitting at a coffee shop in France or I'm sitting at a restaurant in Italy and I'm watching people walk by and they serve me this pasta dish with fish that's just fresh from the ocean right over here and I am not thinking about carbs, proteins, fats and how it's going to make my body look I am savoring the flavors and the environment that I'm in and I'm creating emotions with that food I'm creating an experience and at that moment that's what I'm feeding and when you understand that it'll help you because it will also help you from harming yourself with food because I had a message from one of my clients yesterday and he goes you know I'm really sorry my friends came to visit I hadn't seen them in a couple months and we were all reminiscing and we went to the pizza parlor the one that we used to go to when we were younger and we ate pizza and we drank some beer I'm really sorry man I'm going to make up for it today and I'm like no man there's a big difference between ordering pizza eating it at home and trying to drown your sorrows versus you went out and met with your friends you haven't seen for a long time I said at that time you weren't feeding your goals which was fat loss or whatever which is also important and so when you understand that I think and so far I've had with my experience I've had success with clients with orthorexic behaviors because they tell themselves so much that it's about their health that when they realize that their health is much bigger than just the physical then they're able to step outside of it a little bit and start testing it and then you can kind of break through a little bit I have something to add I'm just kidding I don't next question is from Grant Killian 5 please talk about appetite pills as a trainer it's so frustrating to talk to people who want to take a pill to stop cravings what are the most important habits to cut off cravings you know what an appetite suppressant pill reminds me of it's like taking a pill for a headache so if you have and that's by the way that's assuming that they work so we'll get there in a second let's say sometimes when I get a headache it works well so check this out I'm going to simplify it let's say you're literally banging your head against the wall so you stand in your room and you smash your head against the wall over and over again and you're getting a headache and so I'm like I'm just going to keep taking these headache pills to numb the pain from a headache instead of saying oh shit I'm an idiot let me just stop hitting my head if you have these really strong quote unquote cravings taking an appetite pill and I'm pretending that they work because many of them actually don't but let's just say they do taking a pill that suppresses your appetite is not solving the problem at all it's handling you're handling a symptom but that symptom will erupt in another way there's plenty of evidence for this by the way I'm not just making shit up gastric bypass patients you look at people who are morbidly obese who obviously have an issue with food who are 3, 4, 500 pounds who have a surgery to remove most of their stomach so now all they have left is a pouch the size of your thumb they're going to maximize every square inch of that new tiny little stomach they're going to do that and if food was if that's a symptom of something if the reason they were eating so much wasn't because they were hungry it was because of something else and now they've eliminated that ability because now they can't eat a lot you have a dramatic increase in alcoholism you have a dramatic increase in drug abuse and depression so that's the thing with appetite pills now do they work maybe a little bit there are some compounds that have appetite suppressing effects but your body adapts really quickly and then they stop losing that effect and then when you go off the pills good luck have a great time it's called willpower and feeling like shit Adam I know you because you dieted for so long with shows which is insane those are cravings on another level what are some strategies you use to hire fats so I noticed a significant difference when I lowered my carbohydrate intake so high carbohydrate diets this is the downfall of it and I'm not demonizing carbs because I think that I still do my diet and I think you can totally have a diet that has carbohydrates in it but if you struggle with cravings a diet that's higher fat and lower carbohydrate tends to really, I mean this almost always solves this problem so when I've had clients in the past that come to me and they're like oh my god Adam I crave this and I crave that I look at their macro profile and what I typically end up doing and they're almost always, they're people that are eating 150, 200, 300 400 plus grams of carbohydrates and you know moderate to low fat type of diet and I take them and I flip the macro profile on its head and it almost always solves it now you have some people that are like myself who are dealing with an addiction to something like sugar because they've been doing it for 30 something years now you have a new monster you know because that's and I'll tell you what helps me are higher fat diets so what I loved about us was through this fasting process I just came off the holidays I'm very transparent about what I've been doing during that process I've been fucked up I'm going through all kinds of shit so I'll tell you right now my diet has been all over the place I've been enjoying the holidays I've been enjoying sweets in moderation I'm not getting out of control or getting fat by any means but I'm definitely not dialled in and I'm definitely eating a lot of carbohydrates and sugar and all what has come with that are all the other bad habits which is I'm craving the Diet Coke sweets like crazy I'm craving all these things because I've now reintroduced them into allowed them and at the beginning it's not so bad but then after week 2, week 3, week 4 of consistently allowing a lot of these foods it triggers that response for me and now my body is like oh I really want one so the fast was incredible the fast kind of reset that for me and then why before we went in the fast you guys kind of did it for your own reasons but it was a perfect timing for me because I was already struggling with this internally and it was something that I wanted to address and handle and so going into the fast I didn't care if I went 24, 48 or 72 for me it was about resetting the bad patterns and stuff that I created for myself previously and then kick starting the macro profile that I wanted to follow now and I had carbs the other day I had some rice the other day I had shit what I had the other day so I've been getting more carbohydrates in diet but I'm very careful about which ones I'm allowing in the diet because I know that once I start kicking that carbohydrate intake up that it can really easily lead to these other cravings that I have so that's worked really well for me that's worked incredibly well for clients so utilizing tools like fasting utilizing tools like high fat diets and then when you do have I have patterns and habits so for 20 years I had there's no exaggeration I've shared this on a show before Ben and Jerry's fucking ice cream every single night like for 20 years at court right like literally consistently that was a staple that was a staple staple food that I allowed in my diet and I justified it because I was in shape I was always 10% body fat or so and lifting weights but what that has done it has not only created cravings that I have intrinsically from that but also has created behavioral patterns for myself that naturally when I sit down to watch a movie or TV at night with Katrina I want ice cream. You create an association totally all on your own. 100% and I'm very aware of it you know and so like we talked about this cacao bliss I think I love hacks like that I've got a ton of them too so and I know one day we'll probably try and put them all together and put them in a book for you guys and monetize that shit but right now I'll just keep sharing it when I can and sharing it on my Instastory and sharing it with you guys on here but I've got a ton of these little you know yogurt and cacao and cocoa whip and rice cakes with these things and strawberries and fruit things that I've done that give me that kind of sensation of feeding that habit but at the same time too getting something that's nutritionally beneficial for my body so that's been a game changer for me Justin what do you crave when you crave something are you more sweets or salty? God that's the ultimate right? No it's anything more salty fat I really don't have sweet cravings as much like Adam though I grew up with a lot of shit food like that like ice cream for dessert like almost on the regular you know sugary cereal in the morning so it sparks this whole process of like you feel like shit during the day you don't know why and you know looking back it's so crazy like how much I could have done better and like would have had like great energy and mental clarity if I just would have like handled my diet better and wouldn't have all these like internal problems I'm still dealing with now because of what I did back then but yeah for me it's like I literally I'll crave cheese or like meat like those are my two main cravings You know it's funny I remember distinctly several times where I think like there was something gonna happen at school like oh I got to take this test or and you know we were always told have a big meal for breakfast it'll prepare you for your day or whatever like pancakes you know I would have like waffles with syrup and then I feel like shit oh my god or before you know before an athletic you know endeavor or before I'm gonna go do a run or before a tournament I remember before a judo tournament I was I want to say 14 maybe I was 14 years old I was gonna do a judo tournament and I remember like oh fuck I want to be fueled I want to have all this energy and I ate a whole bunch of just carbs a bunch of process and I felt terrible I felt so bad and I didn't put it together until much later then you try and make up for it with like a ton of caffeine yeah exactly you're just like oh this is gonna be the formula exactly no here's the thing with appetite pills the ones that actually do work stimulate a sympathetic response in the body so they get the body to release these catecholamines epinephrine nor epinephrine which will suppress your appetite however it's very short lived if you do it consistently after about between a few days to a week or so your body starts to adapt either your receptors that these you know these chemicals attached to you start to down regulate your body starts to produce less of these chemicals or both and then you start to find that they stop working but then you're left in a shitty situation when you go off the pills because then you take you stop taking the appetite pills now your body's producing less of these catecholamines and you've got your receptors down regulated and then you go through that withdrawal period and typically when people stop appetite suppressant pills they binge when they go off of them and so at the end result is worse than if you never took them in the first place next up is linds bower if you had to hire another mind pump host who would it be and why I'm gonna start with why I would not first of all right I I wouldn't I would never I would never ever even think about and people that have been maybe in this situation appreciate this those that have no idea probably fucking don't understand that's why they keep recommending oh why'd you guys get a girl or why'd you do this I would never change the dynamic of this show I think it would be the biggest mistake we ever made we even I remember when we first started and I'm not gonna lie there was a part of me that was curious to see because we did do this we did do an episode with just me and Justin just me and Sal just Sal and Justin and quite frankly they all sucked and it's and it's not because well mine with Justin's was good we did have high ratings so there really there really is something magical about the dynamic and what exactly everybody contributes to the conversation and I would I would I know I'm smart enough to know that I would never change that all we try to do is continue to improve upon it and sharpen each of our individual skills but changing that dynamic I would do now that being said I would add Kevin Hart Kevin Hart that's funny you you said a comedian I'll get to mine yeah so I would add Kevin Hart because just for the entertainment factor that's why because I think if I would give any more to the show I don't want it to be any more sciency like I'm not looking for I don't need a bigger nerd than Sal he's got that covered like that's cool if anything a more entertaining piece to to what we already bring to the table so Kevin Hart's mine that's where I'm going solid solid pick yeah my very similar train of thought but mine was Bill Burr damn I love him yeah just because I love the way he thinks about things it's not just like that may be better than Kevin Hart's comedy like his comedy is amazing like just like it's our flavor he'll listen to he'll listen to like somebody's train of thought you know or like like whatever the the issue is out there and then he'll think about it he'll come back and he'll he'll he just highlights like so many holes in the way that people think about things and he's just like he's brilliant and and I just think that he would be able to kind of give us a whole new angle that would make it like oh shit and be hilarious well how much does Bill Burr remind you of Jodecina yeah it's like it's like his twin I told you guys that I sent it over to him right oh yeah he knew Bill Burr no he did it no he never never heard of him before I said you got to listen to him because he reminds me of you if you have it delivery his delivery is storytelling if you haven't listened to the episode will we interview Jodecina who's the founder of Spartan Race you have to listen to it one of the best storytellers well I posted on the I posted on Facebook the forum right this yesterday because we're trying to redo our media kit and our media kit is something that we spend to potential sponsorships or other companies that want to do something with us and it just kind of gives us break or break down our stats and one of the ways I want to bolster the media kit is having like our three you know best episodes and three on the podcast and three YouTube and so who better else than to ask like our private forum who I think gives us gives it to a straight old time so that's why I posted that for those of you that are wondering and the Jodecina was was actually mentioned multiple times so yeah when you said Bill Burrow oh yeah he just reminded me you know what that fuck I'll give you that that trumps my Kevin because I like Kevin hard a lot I think it'd be funny but I think even think Bill Burrow would be even better I'm thinking conversational right it would go in like so many weird directions he would mesh better with all this so you guys are going big celebrities I did not think like that you're thinking of people we've like another podcaster I'm thinking fuck that there ain't nobody we've I'd rather have I'm thinking I just wasn't there like I wasn't thinking because if I'm going to tell us if I'm going celebrity hold on I'll do both I'll do both if I'm going celebrity I would say someone like Oprah who yes you're bad you're bad at this game bad at this game watch her conversations I'm not saying Oprah's a G dude I love her but would that be a good like constant conversation I think having her in here with us would be hilarious but I was thinking I wasn't going super celebrity I was thinking like you're trying to win over the audience you know it's fucking it's a good shot right now if you've been listening to show long enough you know I don't try to win anybody over you either love me or you hate me I would say the guy that I had in my mind is another podcasters a friend of ours I was going to say Mike Matthews I think he's a very intelligent guy you guys hit it off like you're besties very smart dude great conversation 100% the only problem with that is he's you yeah no it would be that different I don't need two of you so light yeah I thank you Justin I got a little yeah I was saying my heart hurt a little bit here's the deal if you die that's who we're going to replace you with yeah it's okay that's a good game that's a different game that's a good game yeah that's a different game if each of us died fucked up who are you putting in your place I would have to say Matthews is probably one of the people that would actually feel your spot the best it'd be tough though it's a tough thing I don't think anyone feels our shoes right nobody feels each other all right well who you guys then I don't know you guys would have to do that we're playing the death game yeah exactly okay so I was thinking I don't know I think Brennan shop for Adam a little bit I like that that's just because it's storytelling if Brennan and his his ridiculous ideas like they're great if Brennan shop words all the time too by the way does Brennan fuck it all the time I like so if Brennan shop and Bradley Martin had a kid Bradley and that kid grew up that would be that'd be who replaced I do like the shop need some handsome and shout out to my boy Bradley though I got much love for him I was talking to him the other day and they were heading down there to zoo culture in three weeks so that's not a bad compliment either although I think I when I listen to Brennan shop and just where he's at mentally and where he's at in his life I connect probably more with him although I do what's on his mind he doesn't give a fuck you know although Bradley you know what Bradley reminds me of is the younger version myself I mean I got like eight nine years on him so he's you know I forget how young he is yeah he's young dude I forget about that yeah so he's I he definitely reminds me I mean spot on like when we talked off air I was like fuck this guy is fucking me eight years ago same thing Justin would be tough huh yeah who'd be adjusting good luck yeah come up with something well yeah try to meet trying to think we just figured out who's irreplaceable it's Justin it's probably true the fan favorite the favorite you know irritating that is I talk I was talking shit to me and I talk at least ten times more than you do but you're the fucking fan favorite fuck you guys maybe that's the secret that is the secret now that's a George Costanz we got that's real love we were at when we were at the LA FedEx bill every like fifth person would come up like so where's Justin he's my favorite yeah like damn yeah see pump heads get me we were crying so if you go to YouTube you can find our 30-day workout it's free it's all programmed out so what we did is we give you a workout every single day includes mobility strength training we progress you through to so it's not just like random workouts put together they all connect start on day one progress yourself all the way till the end it's absolutely for free you can find it on our YouTube channel mind pump TV subscribe thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted RGB super bundle at mindpumpmedia.com the RGB super bundle 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