 Thank you very much for that, Lornaan. You've just tightened the whole project by seven years, you've just talked seven years off about. Come to that. It's not like you at all. So we're going to move from an individual academic position an individual academic situation and how they've used Open, how they've created content how they've shared it, and how they've been to my mind anyway, Emma's not in the room, been very authentic about it and yn mynd i gyd. I gynonwch am ymddangos yw'r ffordd mewn cyfathol, mae'r hynny'n gobeithio yw'r rhan o'r bwysig, ein rhan o'r pwysig, a'r rhan o'r pwysig o'r bwysig o'r rhan o'r bwysig o'r bwysig o'r eich gweithio a'r bwysig o'r pwysig o'r Llegos Dda. Felly, mae'n cyd-gaith yng Nghar涵 Llywog yn y 21 yma oherwydd oherwydd mae'n cyfathol o'r bwysig o'r bwysig o'r bwysig o'r llwyngol mae'r Llywodraeth yn ymchwil gwahol i ni, a gydwch mwy o'ch cael eu bod yn gweld, ond mae'n ddych chi'n hyn yn fwy o mydd eich pan oed dymes yn all felly o'ch ei'ch bod ychydig i'w ddych chi'n ei wneud, mae'na dwy'r Llywodraeth yn y Llywodraeth wedi'i gweld eich wnaeth ar y cwmhiliad, sy'n fwyaf am ymweliad ar y cyflog tiwn i'r hyn yn gweithio'r newydd, a'r newid i'r ffordd o'r lluniau a'r cynnig i'r ffordd o'r newid yng Nghymru. Mae nrhyw 3 yn gweithio eich ffres. Mae'r rhai bydd y ffordd o'r ddechrau cymdeithasol, mae'r nrhyw'n gwneud ei wneud eich ffordd o'r newid yng Nghymru, a'r newid o'r newid i'r wneud eich ffordd o'r newid. cyflym o'n ddweud dymr nobl syddadoeth oedd y cysylltu i'r ffordd. Rwy'n ffynol, yn gyflawn i wneud i'r heatedrio'r ddweud a dim myfafaf, mae'n myfyrfa i'r hunain, mae'n gyfreidio i'r meddwl, ac mae yna'n meddwl i'n meddwl. Rydyn ni'n gobeithio i'r ddweud y cwnglwg yn siarferio'r ddodol i ffawr yw'r cyfrifau. Felly, rydyn ni'n gobeithio ar y bwysig, rydyn ni'n gobeithio i'r ddechrau ffwrdd ar y Ffwrdd y Llyfriddol Newydd. Rydyn ni'n gweithio i ddath Vader a David Hulm. Rydyn ni'n gobeithio ar y bwysig. Y mhwyl drwyddoedd y ddechrau'r hyn yn ei ddweud, yng Nghymru, yng nghymru. Ond yw'r Llyfr Gweithgaredd, y 1752-1757. Yn y Llyfr Gweithgaredd yn Llyfr Gweithgaredd, yn y prydysgr i'r Llyfr Gweithgaredd, Fe oedd ein statiwn, yn dda o'r stiwn i'r Llyfr Gweithgaredd yn y dda o'r hyn yn ddod i'r llwyffydd, ac mae'n dweud o'r past, ac y byd am y% Lywodraeth Llywodraeth neu yw'r ffwrdd cerddwyd yn cynnig pwyllgor yma'r hanes. Mae'r bys i ddodi'r fanolaeth ar gyfer yn yr Ymgeis eich Ddiwrnig, mae'r ddaf yn ymdrwy, ond mae'r ddiwrnig yma'r ddiwrnig cerddwyd yn yr Ddiwrnig ym Mhwy pleased wir Gydfodd Ilywodraeth. Mae'r ddiwrnig yn ddiwrnig yn y ffr� a nhw'n credu'r hyn o'r hyn ymu'r ffr�, a mae hyn erioed y ddiwrnig yma. that we all thought was the best one. Cluttered history. A couple of points on that, and Katherine Croane spoke about this at the first keynote. I wouldn't even attempt to try to bring that level of sophistication to the things that she said in such a clear and compelling way. What I will say is that that upper case, and lower case, and you're open in terms of that definition about technical and removing barriers and all the rest of it, fod amdano lle i fyfyddan ni, mae gondolol i hoffadd rhywb이�n adon nhw, aيفred i nôr yn ei ôl. Mae nhw'n bryda i fynd i chi i ddangos y cas wy sighvt o'r ydych chi'n gwheithio hyn nhis yn yr hyn這種 geistcoed. Roedd chi'nhen ni'n gor simplyf eraillineaeth yn yr Institute of Education? A beth ein gwn이고 mae hynny Passh�� сказ iddu qua gylleng Merthyr ac mae edrych dinosaursau o leisi. Affi chw frontol specification hon gallwn David a dyna o'n mynd i'w ni'n dwy'r wneud, dyna i'w wneud o'r ffnwyshwyl yn fwy o'r fwy o'r ddeunydd, dyna i'w wneud o'r fwy o'r fwy o'r fwy o'r fwy o'r ddeunydd. Ond ydi'r storio cyllid yma, yna yw cyllid o Unigbryd George Force yn Scotland, i Edinburgh, a yn ysgolwch hwnnw i'n gweithio'r Llywodraeth Cymru yn y Cwm Nesaf. A'r gwneud ar hyn yn y Llywodraeth Cymru yn y Llywodraeth Cymru. Mae'r byw'r byw'r byw yn ymwybodol, mae'n cwrdd ar gyfer ddwy'r byw, ac mae'n ddefnyddio fyddiadol yn gwneud, a mae'n gweithio'r 10 pwyllwy ymgwrs yn y stach neu'r ddangos, mae'n gweithio'r 11 pwyllwy. Mae'n gweithio'r Gwnegei Llyfrgell, ac mae'n gweithio'r bwysig. Mae'n gweithio'r bwysig o'r rhaid, mae'n gweithio'r bwysig o'r coffaeth neu'r jacrowd yn cael eu bwysig o'r firstbwysig ar Harry Potter, y Harry Potter seriw. ychydig yw 14 yw'r gwir. So, mae hi'n gwybod y Hocam, yng Nghymru, yn ychydig yn George IV yma, ond mae'n gwybod, mae'n gwybod, mae'n gwybod yn gwybod. A'r Llywodraeth Nesaf, mae'n gwybod yn ei wneud, yn yr ymgyrch yn ymgyrch, yn y Llywodraeth, mae hi'n gwybod, yn ymgyrch, yn ymgyrch yn ymgyrch, yn ymgyrch yn ychydig, yn ymgyrch yn ymgyrch, mae'n gwybod yw'n gwybod, Maes i'n meddwl i'r Exibisi Cymru, yn fwy i'r sefydliadau a heddiw, ond y ffordd i'r sefydliadau, y byddai'n meddygol. Mae'r Ffyrth Folio 1 yn ymddangos i ddaeth i'r Lai Lai Lai Pwg 11 i Lai Pwg 2, felly mae'n meddwl i'r Ffyrth Folio 1 i'n meddwl i'r Oxford Cymru, fel y gallwch chi ddim yn ddifelod ar y twyd yn y gwneud. Mae hi'n meddwl i'r Lai Lai Lai Pwg 12 o'n meddwl i'r Lai Pwg 13, iawn yn ystod yn hynod yn ychydig yn gweithio'r cymdeithasol. Yn y cwlwedd cyd-gwlwyddon, y cyfnodd cyllid cyllid cyllid, Edinburgh mae'r cyfnodd cyllid cyllid. Mae'r cyfnodd cyllid yn cyllid yn cyllid. Mae'r cyfnodd cyllid ar y cilydd. Mae'r cyfnodd cyllid ym Ysgolodd yma. Mae'r oedd yma. Mae'r oedd yma. Mae'r oedd Robin Lewis, Stephenson. Mae'n ddiweddio'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell am hyfforddiad mewn bydd y cyfnodd cyllid gyda middlwyd ar y wahanol. Mae'r cyntaf yn y gelbeithio, effeithaf mae'n gwybod i'r gweithio'r sylltion. Ond mae'n amlwg yn nodi'n gwybod i gilyddiaeth iawn. Ond tro wedi'i'n gweithio'n gwybod i gyd yr oeddwn, rydyn ni'n mynd i'n mynd i'r Wlad, a rydym ni'n beg ohol i gyd, sydd wedi'u yng Nghymru a nhw'n sefydlu o'u cyfrifwyr yn i oed i'r rôl i'r Gwlad. Rwy'n meddwl i fy modd, boi'r cyfrifol o'r modd y tuchael a'u cyfrifol yn y pethau yma, a'u cyfrifol yn y Llaidwyr Fylltadol. Yn ni'n gwneud am y Llyfrgell Llyfrgell i'r gynhyrchol mae'r heblidwyr iawn o'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell, ond mae'n gwneud o'r lliflwyr o'r lliflwyr, ond mae'n gwneud o'r lliflwyr o'r lliflwyr o'r lliflwyr o'r lliflwyr o'r lliflwyr o'r lliflwyr. Ond o'r ddegosiaeth o'r ddigon y dyfodol y gweithio'r Gweithio Gweithioedd yng Nghymru yw'r llawr o'r gweithio'r Llyfrgelliaeth, o'r ddigon o'r ddegosiaeth o'r blaen o'r ddull i'r ddull yn ymwneud yng ngheil, o'r ddweudio'r Scolon. Rydw i'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell yng Nghymru yn ystafell i'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell, a'r ddweud o'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud. dyna rhoi, mae nhw'n mas gwybod am hyn yn rhoi cyffredinolau. Mae'r cyffredinol ar gyfer cyffredinol yr cheredinol, mae'n gynnwys cyflwynau oes y bwysig ar y Newisio Llywodraeth. A'r ddechrau ar adnod y wallach yn inni. Mae'n cyffredinol is iechyd, dyna mae'n gilydd i wedi gweld cyffredinolUNT, rwy'n gweld, os ysgolwch sy'n gymryd, mae'n cael ei fodio of Scotland at the moment, a feature of how we actually look at and view ourselves, and we curated a massive collection of material relating to the Scottish referendum, not just the UK web archive where we collected a lot of material, a lot of limitations on that material, and maybe I'll talk about that a bit more later on, but also all sorts of ephemera and various badges and everything, all sorts of things were collected and curated, and that's part of our role as a memory institution, as a memory institution for Scotland, and that's a key word that resonates through our new strategy. Let's just think quickly about a global definition as well, I won't go into any detail about that, but this idea of custodianship of the nation's intellectual heritage, all very, very good strong words, in every national library, this is the IFLA declaration, every national library aspires to be like that for their country, but lots of national libraries are trying to find their identity in this very busy, busy and sometimes cluttered information space that we're in. I'm going to mention collections quite a lot, but I'll try and do it quite briefly and skim over, that's just really a nice picture of a number of things, Robert Lewis Stevens and I squeezed in there, I was introduced because I did a book on that a long time ago, but that book, and I just mentioned that book, it was produced in 1911, I believe it was never taken off the shelf, it was never taken off the shelf in a national library, I would recommend it as a legal deposit book, until I took it off the shelf in 1993 and just thought that's a fantastic picture, I'm going to put that in that book, and I challenge many of you to go into a bookshop and you see it in the cover of a treasure island, because it can be freely used around the rest of it, it can go on travel and everything else, but no one else has got a copy of that because it came into the, and it had to wait its moment, it had to wait from the first decade of the 20th century, many, many decades later until it was picked up and used and what a shame it would have been if that was lost, so lots of content you have, birkin hair there, you'll see right in the middle, the first serial killers in the whole of Europe, that's the first for Edinburgh as well, and they didn't, they didn't dig anyone up, they weren't grave robbers, they developed their own fabulous way of doing it, and I'm quite happy to speak to anyone at dinner tonight and tell them how they did it, but you may not want to drink anything after that, you may just be on your last glass of wine after you hear how they did it, most seriously this idea of the dual role of the National Library is a very, very important and vital one, now one enders preservation at the other enders access, this conference here is interested in access, the National Library, most national institutions have to play that tension game between preservation and access, our publishers who we have the right to claim a copy of every publication made in Scotland are quite rightly insistent that we look towards our preservation responsibilities, the future guarantor, the preservation copy, the last copy, the security, the restricted, the future use, possibly not so much current use, so again there's a set of ideas and a set of markers for an institution telling you that this is the way we view you as a national library, on the other end there's an expectation of excellent buildings and seamless illegible services, ease of use, ease of use plays well into open as well, this idea of remote access as well, there's a terrible, terrible dilemma for national institutions that have really electronic legal deposit to square the answer of it, I don't know if that's the wrong way of saying it, how do you say to someone in 20 years or 10 years that you have to come to the national library, a physical institution to view an electronic resource, I'd love to hear your phrases that I can use when that happens because I can't really come up with anything yet. And funding is an important thing, it's one of those things that we sometimes forget, 90% of the money the national library gets, its revenue and capital comes from the Scottish Government, comes with great responsibilities as well, and that little number there, it's a big number, it gouges me many times, 27% reduction since 2008, so over a quarter shrinkage in terms of that revenue that enables things to happen that allows us to feed innovation, allows us possibly to be more open and we'll come back to that. Our operating context, I won't go into a lot of detail with this, but there really is something there about governance and funding, there's a bit of strategy, a new strategy that will come to you in a few seconds, we made this tough, it was our own tough demands, no one asked us to do it, well I cannot ask everyone to do it, but apart from that there was major sign up to it, I can assure you, and also this idea of that wide user base, we're very very committed to that idea of democratising our resources, of making them available right across the information space in Scotland, and also this case for open, chose my words carefully, they are an emerging external factor, because I'm not in a higher education institution, well that seems to be much more embedded when I was at Edinburgh, much more embedded the case coming through for open access, you've heard about open educational resources and all the rest of it, less of a driver, but nevertheless an important driver now, back to the clutter, these are some of the issues, some of the challenges, the institutional culture, some of the things that we have to deal with, creating all of this content, many many parts of it come with all sorts of different complications as we make that big big jump to share as much of it as possible through that digital initiative, but we've not been sitting idle waiting on something happening, we've done quite a lot already, we've been digitising material, we've been sharing it, we've been using creative commons to make sure it's as available as we can bear it to be, or as it is allowed to be, and it's grown organically, we've grown this whole thing organically, and I'll come to some of the initiatives that we've done over the last few years towards the end of this talk, but critically we've also opened the buildings, we've opened the buildings, to my mind open is also about that physical space which is the library, and there's this image of the massive massive library with tiny little door, and it looks so small, it's a bit like something like an Alice in Wonderland, you know the space is shrinking change, and if you look at some of the libraries in Oxford actually you'll see this, a tiny little door to get into the historic library, and then it opens up inside, so that vision is something that we're working about, how do we open the space up, how do we make the actual physical space more open, but also how do we drive openness and an open and innovative culture inside the space, we've done that through social media, we've got lots and lots of people tweeting at the library now, you didn't say use your camera phone, show people what you're doing, just be open and authentic about what you're doing, you'll see our twitter feeds have gone up quite a lot, so part of just using that in that sense is maybe inappropriate for the conference, a bit seeking forgiveness rather than asking permission to do things, just go for it, try it out, see if it worked, and if you're going to fail, fail fast, so the openness journey has been messy, it's been cluttered, confused rights, although we've cleared a lot of that up I think, lacking in coordination or some sense of that as well, it's time consuming, there was a lack of institutional buy-in, and I think that that might be previously, my institution is buying into this, but that open road and I'll come to that in the conclusion, I see that as stately progress along that open road, not getting a fast-pale mail pace, we need to take the whole institution, we need to take all of the collections or as many of them as we can as we do, as we go along, and we need to upscale, as we upscale we need to declutter, it's very very administrative heavy, lots of transactions around rights and processes and reuse less so, and we need to be careful about how we map it, we have a board, we have a board that have different views about these things, we have to manage their expectations as well, and we have to beg and borrow the best, Shakespeare did it, why can't we do it? We do envy and admiration very well at the National Library of Scotland as well, and these are some of the institutions that we think are doing fab stuff, fantastic stuff, New York Public Library, really really interesting things they're doing with some of their content, also the Bibliotech National, the Welcome Library, I've got a separate comment to make on the Welcome Library so I'll leave it there, but the National Library, the British Library, look at what they've done with the mechanical curator, terrific stuff that was a result of the project with Microsoft, which lasted for a short period of time, but what they've done with those images and pushing them out and allowing them to be used, very very interesting, but really the Welcome Library and what they've been doing over the last few years in terms of upscaling their activity and pushing content out, working with the internet archive is really something that we're keeping them watch, fly on, as we consider how we get down that route in terms of upscaling digitisation, and in Scotland you see lots of really quite wild things happening as well in the commercial space, and this is one of my favourites over the last couple of weeks with BrewDog, just basically putting their whole recipe list for every beer they've made, now BrewDog if you don't like beer around that's fine, but this is important because they are ProRata, the fastest growing company in the whole of the UK at the moment, and what they've done is they've just basically pushed out their, basically their intellectual property and said you can use it, do you like, and if you look at that it tells you exactly how to do the whole thing, now what are they saying by doing that, that's a huge huge risk for them, so there's lots of examples out there that are affecting even institutions in the national library, and what effect that will have, first dichotomy, this was mentioned in the first keynote I think, about there's no open and closed, it's that messy space in between, and that's the same as an institution as well, how we deal with all of that, we don't see that as closed and open, I mentioned a few things, some of the closed things, there's not a lot we can do about it in the short term, but in the long term that commitment to further and more an innovative openness is a given in our new strategy, quickly on the strategy itself, we felt that there might not be any interest from the press, and then we came up with a few messages about what we planned to do, and we did very well actually, we got a lot of media impact for the strategy we were launching last September, but things got slightly muddled in that media space as they often do, and the one that made me laugh and then cry was that the national library would digitise 24 million items, and even with the great ambitions that we've brought to the institution in the last year or so in thinking about how we could actually transform ourselves, we won't be able to do that, and so that was a slight exaggeration probably the first time the press or the evening news have ever done that, and so the actual figure is a third of the whole of the corpus of the national library, and I'll come to that in a few seconds, that's the strategy, you'll be absolutely delighted to hear that I'm not going to enumerate this and go through it and read out every part of it, all I'm going to do is just touch quickly on the things that I think are important in relation to what I'm going to talk about about these scary numbers as I come to that, a lot of it's about improving access, and what we didn't want to do was put something in that just became this lovely warm words about improving access and doing this and reaching out, and what we wanted to put was a scary number, something that would terrify us over the next few years and actually commit us to it, something that would energise the organisation, and what we came up with was this idea of complete a full list of the library's holdings, hidden collections, every library's got one, few librarians talk about them, we're going to make all of it available and well we're going to catalogue all of it, use metadata and all the rest of it, to make it available so there's full disclosure of that content, and also the total corpus, a third of it will be in a digital format, and again you'll see my scary numbers, you'll see how much effort that is going to take to do that, and underneath there's some other things. The bottom one 2.2 will be welcome back to haunt me over the years about making that material globally available, that is a big big ask for some of the limitations that I've already spoken about. Promoting research is dead centre now to the National Library, it was airbrushed out of the conversation for a few years, absolutely central to what we do and also supporting learning, and reaching out, I just mentioned, I just this reaching out now, I brought it back in again, a key thing that we want to do as well is we've got all of these buildings that we look after and we've got a website and we've got web services, we want to bring parity of esteem for both of those, so the attention of the institution needs to be on both of those, and we want to in some senses recalibrate the resource that we put into it to make sure that as we develop these services and we bring this content through it's actually quite clear how you can access it, not just in our web space but in other places as well, and I've got a very sophisticated design for the website towards the closing of this presentation that I'd like to share with you. Unfortunately my numbers have gone slightly odd because this is coming out on work but I think you can still see it, is that the cocaine up there, no excuse, it's gone a bit funny, so really these numbers very quickly, the next three slides are just about scale, the first one is physically we've got 26 million items at the moment and it grows by about 800 daily, that's the figure, the rest of it you don't actually need to know, below that born digital is this illegal deposit I was talking about, at the moment that's one and a half million it's growing I feel exponentially, it's going up by 800,000 a year at the moment and we do that in partnership with the other legal deposit libraries, so those are the two figures that I'd like you to hold in your head at the moment, this is other content that we have, that one at the top is a big, big thing for us in terms of inter-perpetuity content that we've purchased over time, we need to think more seriously about that and how that plays into into your space and then under that the UK Web Archive, if you're interested in that the UK Web Archive is part of the illegal deposit and it's very locked down, millions upon millions of URLs but very very locked down, you have to consult it in a legal deposit library and if you look at the British Library's open UK Web Archive it's about 15,000 websites and they've gone through the exercise of getting it as free and open as possible and it's millions upon millions of hits every year, I don't know of a starker contrast in terms of closed and open as regards the resource, the scary number is four million and four million is what we need to produce or we need to digitise or get into digital format, probably from our analogue collections over the next 10 years and it is 10 years, spite what Lorna said earlier, I can't accept that challenge of doing it in three years, it'll take every effort we've got to do it in that longer period of time and that's the kind of content we're talking about, the one at the bottom about born digital, illegal, we have to have attention between that, we can't do that exercise without thinking about this electronic content that we bring in that we curate the government pay for so we've brought attention to those two but the scary number at the moment is four million that might go up it might go down and we've forecasted what the born digital illegal deposit will look like over that 10 year period that is still a massive ask for us you really are talking about us going up at 10 times 15 times what we do at the moment over that 10 year period what it will do is transform the organisation and it will transform what we do because it will take us from probably the bottom scale of the bottom of the scale of national institutions across Europe that are moving analogue to digital through digitisation and sharing and doing OCR and all sorts of other things probably closer to the top how are we doing it we're working on it we're working on it at the moment the numbers are there and we're really at the point of designing quite an interesting library-wide digital production programme and it will be inevitably because that's what it is at the moment as we up scale it commercial in-house bespoke there'll be manuscripts and archives at this end there'll be there'll be really mass industrial digitisation at that end that's the network we've got at the moment but what we're doing for the first time is coordinating all that bringing it all together and seamlessly running it right right through the organisation and also costing it up how much does it cost us to do it because we need to do 10 times this in this parallel work on actually revealing those collections and part of the reason we want to do it over 10 years is because we need to give ourselves some time to do it but also the national library will be 100 years old as as a founded national library 1925 by 2025 and I don't think we can celebrate that without having a dramatic shift in the nature of the content that we offer the citizens we cannot do that and say we're going to refurbish a building and we're going to put a plaque up we need to do something that is really quite dramatic what we're also doing is resetting the library and the funding I'm thinking seriously about that restructuring at the moment we're in the process of doing that funding we're working on an escalator about how much needs to be done we think we need at least a million in the next couple of years every year for absolutely baseline big bet on this and probably need more than that looking at the welcome and looking at some of the other institutions that have done this we actually need to put more into that we're also working out and this is a big big thing for us how do we shift our donors and supporters from continuing to support heritage acquisitions if you google the national library of Scotland or put us into a search engine you'll hear that we bought a bravery recently the sweetheart bravery beautiful beautiful book we're just in the 13th century gorgeous book and we do okay in raising the huge sums of money to get that we brought the John Murray archive to Edinburgh cost 30 millions we do okay that was a painful exercise and it's they're a fabulous bunch of people that we work with there but how do you open the minds of donors and say digital is the thing this is what we need to do next and that's a really really difficult thing for an organisation to do which is steeped in heritage which is the first books printed in Scotland the Shakespeare first folio we've got all of that content that just opens people's eyes so how do we make that shift so we're thinking on various things in terms of fundraising campaign but we've had discussions with our foundation our charitable foundation and they've nodded and said okay we get it we see it's in your strategy we should see that's what you're what you're going to do and the language is beginning to shift and move as well so decluttering the library won't take time and these are some of the things that we've done we've done over the last few years work working with the internet archive we've got 5 000 items on the internet archive this is the usage very very good usage excellent and it's it's broken new ground in terms of how the library thinks about its content also worked with wikimedia we had the first wikimedia in residence in scotland in the national library of scotland that wasn't mentioned earlier i noticed and lots of images have been put up there as well and they're heavily used too so there's we're breaking ground in terms of the sort of cultural imperative in the organisation for thinking about being more open but really that's just that was just a short exercises to remove to this really upscaling initiative that i've spoken to you about as i draw to your clothes i'd like to spotlight our map library and just to me it gives a it gives a kind of exemplar or a nice little case study of an institution like the national library over the last few years they've digitised 140 000 maps they've done it in a very innovative way they've they've got themselves involved in commercial partnerships bernas told me to stop i didn't realise i had gone over i was looking backwards okay i'm going to stop quite soon i won't go into any detail but terrific work being done there google analytics off the scale in terms of what they're doing they actually drive more traffic than our main website some fantastic pictures that lawerna won't let me show you but i'll canter through them really quickly gordon's map of edinburgh 1647 gordon's map magnified by the good people of the map library some of the fantastic stuff that they've done there john slazer's map 1690 edinburgh castle zoomed right in you can do that on the website using triple i f fantastic stuff that they're doing so there are good stories to be told in the national library i was going to go into great detail about this complicated website that we're thinking of designing but i'll just briefly mention what i think it might look like over the next few years services stuff in data foundry the data foundries where a lot of the open content will go not only open content i've spoken about how do we run our buildings how do we manage down the environment how do we green all those buildings we've done a lot of good things with that we're putting the data in there so you can look at it and reuse it and all the rest of it the data foundry part the stuff is obviously what i've been mentioning but the data foundry is a fferocious animal it needs to be fed and so that's the that's the kind of view you have to have of it and if you design your space like that it needs to be fed stuff from the stuff part and from the services part and overall it will change the organization so that's the the current view of what the the website might look like the road to open it's zigzaggy for us there's pock holes there's all sorts of things and there's lots and lots of people down that road cheering us on and some of us some some of them booing us saying you're not going fast enough you should be going that way but what we've done with our new strategy and with some of these numbers that we've crunched we've given ourselves a real purpose over the next five to ten years that i think using open and using all sorts of different methods i think it'll give us a new national library of Scotland for the 21st century thank you very much yes sure do you mean the metadata well we our metadata is is open it can be searched it can be reused our database will be developed we haven't quite worked out a delivery mechanism for the actual digital content we've just joined the triple i f consortium we're actually going to be redesigning while we're going out to procurement for a new library management platform which will be end to end and it will manage all of that data and information what we will do is follow the the sort of international standards for all of this as well and that's about as much as i can answer in relation to that question over here yeah that's a really good question and it's something that keeps me awake at night but i'm really glad and happy that i've got a lot of technical friends and we've we work with the british library we work with the legal deposit libraries and we're actually we're actually involved in a in a project with edw that in in europe and we're putting i think about half of our content in the moment into that and triplicate or testing it we're again working with international standards doing testing and research i can't guarantee that all of this content especially analog to digital content will be available in 10 years 20 years 30 years but what is important is that certainly the analog to digital as we do to the best standards we can we use the metadata properly and well and we develop it we put it in the right spaces but also that we work on digital preservation and how we can recover that material which might mean that we strip back some of it but can i say also that i said it keeps me awake at night it doesn't really because i'm a historian as well when you look back the way lots of things get lost lots of things the the broad the broadleads called i've already mentioned this again i'll use another example things that get lost things technologies become obsolete and the this methodology for digitisation the drive for us is to open up the organisation is to open that content up and to in parallel to work as closely as we can with ensuring that content will be available will be migratable and it can be stripped down and recreated when we have to do it and that's a bit as much as i can do i'm not a i'm not a i'm not a i'm not an enthusiastic proponent of it will all be here in 50 years time but what we will have is a number of institutions that are massively committed to making sure that it is including the national language. John for such a really inspiring to you that i'm actually a strong type of institution that's going through my phone right now man however thank you for coming today it was really time to your talk i think when higher education sector could learn a lot from listening to the kind of questions that my views are asking so we can just good job traditional by trying to pause