 from San Francisco, California. Extracting the signal from the noise. It's theCUBE, covering DockerCon 2015. Brought to you by SiliconANGLE Media with special thanks to Docker. Now your hosts, Stu Miniman and Jeff Frick. Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick here with Stu Miniman. We're at DockerCon 2015 in downtown San Francisco. We've been here all day today. We're going to be here all day tomorrow, going wall to wall, bringing you kind of the energy and the mojo and what's going on here at DockerCon. Stu, a lot of energy. We started out the day. The halls have been full. The people are excited. What did you think? Yeah, so Jeff, we talk about one of the big things in IT today is that we want to help companies move fast. And what really stuck out to me is how, we knew how fast Docker was growing, but when you talk about some of the specifics, for example, Ben Golub came on and he said, oh, that OCP, the open container format that we came out with, we started that like three weeks ago. And actually I was talking to some of the Docker people that were like, yeah, it wasn't even a full three weeks. The plug-ins, we had Patrick Allen from the technical staff and he's like, oh yeah, I joined three months ago and I'm doing all these things. From start to getting something out in the market to iterating on this, I've never seen something moving so fast. We talked about traditional enterprise, software life cycles is kind of 18 months, maybe 12 months, open stacks released in every six months. Docker's in like two month clips. And boy, is it just agile and fast. And you think about the old Moore's law, how fast things go. If we just go in a faster time cycle and let software take over the world, I think Adrian Cockroft said, we've gone to plaid. Yeah, Adrian was interesting. He said, it's all about speed, it's all about moving. I loved Patrick, who talked about, this is very similar in the enterprise software development space as when he was at Netscape and really seeing an opportunity to redefine the way applications are built and deployed. I thought Matthew from Lyft was really interesting. Talking about speed, where they hire, first it comes to work in the morning on Monday, they get their laptop, they get a little introduction, they get a couple of jeer tickets by lunch and they're actually pushing code into production and expected to push code in production and comfortable with pushing code into production before the end of their first day. So this whole concept of really removing barriers to productivity. And I think it was also Matthew talking about, there's been lots of development in Moore's law and in networking and in CPUs and in memory and now flash is coming down the pike. But how do we increase the productivity of the developers and move the barriers away? There's nothing that says that quite like you start in the morning on Monday in your push and production code at the end of the day. Yeah, it's amazing, Jeff, what we're talking about here. But let's stop for a second because while there's this drumbeat and everybody's really excited, it is still really early days. We actually had some good conversation in the crowd chat today from people talking about what is the reality in the enterprise and how it's doing. I mean when we're talking to companies like Lyft and Orbitz, relatively young companies, we had the guy on from Lyft today and said, how did you do things three years ago? It's like, well Lyft didn't exist three years ago. And we do stuff on Amazon. So it's easier to start with kind of Greenfield on this but we have, what was it? It was the incremental revolution as I think what Solomon talked about in the keynote this morning because it is difficult to get kind of the old ways to see to the new ways. So you're going to start with some new applications, get your developers engaged in working on this and they're going to be that growth engine to kind of push things forward. Yeah, and we just had Kamal on from EMC and he was talking about large production loads and I think he mentioned healthcare, I think he mentioned financial services. I can't remember, there's one other vertical customer he talked about. So it's slowly moving in. It was finance. It was finance, yeah. So it's coming but I think, again, I think the Netscape thing is very powerful. Didn't really know the ramifications of browsers in the early days kind of look where we are now and I think we're always kind of balancing where we are now and the tropic disillusionment and all that kind of stuff. But in the long run, it's getting developers to buy into your program and Ben's comments about the really rapid rise of contributors and code being put in. As we go to tons of shows, do you know? Everyone's like, how do we engage developers? How do we get the developers excited about our stuff? How do we get them to choose their next marginal hour of time developing on our stuff versus somebody else? Clearly there's something there where you wouldn't see this crazy rapid growth. Yeah, absolutely, Jeff. Of all the shows we go to, for me, like Amazon re-invent, the one that has a lot of developers, here seems to be the kind of the epicenter of where the really fast change is happening. Amazon's here, Microsoft's here, IBM, EMWare, HV. Everybody's here. I mean, Jeff, my email has been hopping all day with the, hey Stu, we made an announcement about Docker and we're hopping on this and companies that weren't in phase one rollout of the OCP stuff, well, that's because, heck, there's some of those companies that in three weeks they probably can't get through the legal knot-hole of getting approval for something, right? We all know, heck, just getting, when we put an event together, three weeks, can we make sure we have light set power internet? Moving at software speed is pretty tough and it's amazing to watch this ecosystem. So what about kind of the dark side, right? Every coin's got two side. What do you see as some of the short-term challenges, the mid-term challenges? Are they just regular growing pains or are there any significant hurdles that you see that need to be overcome? What's kind of your take? So I liked, you know, Docker talked about their experimental releases. So experimental means, you know, not quite ready for prime time. There were a couple demos this morning that failed. I mean, and the demo failed and then the backup didn't work, which is just the demo God's not falling into place, but it'll be memorable. We'll talk about it for a little bit. But, you know, networking was a big gap. They bought Socket Plane. Now, I actually know a bunch of the Socket Plane guys. You're gonna be interviewing John Willis tomorrow was part of that team. It was six guys and they've been part of Docker for three months and already they've got, you know, this really cool stuff that they released, multi-host networking out of the box, microsegmentation and standard service discovery. So that's phenomenal, but I mean, it's early and they're partnering with, you know, Weave and Cisco and VMware and a bunch of others. So that network needs to get baked out. Storage stack needs to get baked out. Stafel applications, you know, it's really early for that space. But, you know, we've seen this story play out for every technology. It starts in, you know, the less critical, you know, in environments, start with test dev, you know, we're all with the dev environments, but help to drive those new apps. And, you know, security is still, you know, growing. There's the Docker trust model and how does that bake out? You know, great example I talked about in the keynote, the GSA, so if the federal government, you know, has sorted out how to work with it and they're comfortable with it, you know, there's hope, but doesn't mean that we're ready. It's still early, early days. I talked on with the cluster HQ guys this morning and said, okay, if we use the VMware example, we're at like VMware desktop, which was like, you know, the early 2000s, like, you know, when ESX and GSX were coming out long before vSphere, before vMotion started. I mean, we don't have, you know, quite the container vMotion just yet, but it's all baking out and it's getting there. And, you know, when you've got so many people committing from around the world to so many companies, you know, just pouring into this ecosystem, you know, let's figure out what the hurdles are, let's knock down the red flags and let's march forward because, you know, boy, it's just taken over a big part of the discussion in the software world and everywhere we go, Docker has been the drumbeat. Yeah, and Ben was ripping through stats faster than I can write him down in terms of the contributions, the commits. You know, it's just a, I think Adrian said, just, you know, a hyper growth kind of situation. Yeah, well, just to pounce through some of those notes that I've got the slide in front of me. Oh, good. They went from 460 contributors to 1300 in the last year. That's 183% growth. There's now 40,000 projects on GitGov, of 500% growth. Job openings that mentioned Docker, that went from 2,500 to 43,000. So, you know, we talked about, what was the next hot new job? It's like developers, oh, hey, do you know what Docker is? I mean, I remember, you know, just to date myself, I showed my wife the first web browser and when she came out of school, it was like, hey, do you know this internet thing? And she's like, oh yeah. And she did web design and editing online and everything. So anybody, you know, coming out of school, I talked to lots of young people that are like, getting into coding. And it's not that hard to get started, as we said, from start to, you know, doing stuff, is you could, in a couple of days, start picking this up. But 900, it's a, I'm sorry, 1,700% growth, 43,000 Docker job openings listed in June of 2015. And there's been over, you know, 3.5 million boot to Docker downloads. You know, over 1,000% growth. And half a billion containers have been downloaded. So, you know, just, I mean, ridiculous numbers. I always graph this stuff out. And, you know, we've almost gone vertical for some of these things. And, you know, boy, it's almost, you know, we need new math to come up with by the time we come back, you know, next year at this show. I've been really excited to be here, Jeff, you know, from our team, you know, this is an event that we knew, you know, we want to be in on the ground floor. Really, all the guests we had on were so good. So, you know, I was excited to be able to fly out here just for a short time and be part of it. Right, and we got another, we kick off today, or excuse me, tomorrow is day two of our wall wall covered with Solomon. So, we don't miss a beat. We jump right back into it with Solomon Hikes, who obviously the founder and CTO of Docker, kind of one of the big brains behind the whole thing. Yeah, I mean, Jeff, you know, Solomon, some people say he's the fanatical dictator. There you go. He's open source, you know, technology. So, I'm not saying he stands over the shoulder of everyone writing code, but he know what's there. And it's good to see what he's building out the team. I like that we got Patrick on here today to talk about how they're building that brain trust. And Ben really did a good job in our interview of talking about what does Docker do? What do, you know, the community do? What does the broader ecosystem do? And laying that out. And Jeff, you want to talk to the dark side, they'll be growing pains. So, we've all seen this story of ecosystem grows, and then we eat some of the ecosystem. Right, right. We had the bump with kind of CoroS, and, you know, we've seen it whether you're talking about VMware and what they built with their ecosystem or take a Facebook and how they built an ecosystem and kind of ate a lot of it. So, you know, we know how this plays out in technology, but, you know, everybody is excited to be here, as you said. Getting the shirts, getting the Legos, and getting the knowledge. I mean, people are, you know, psyched here. It almost, to me, feels like a large meetup. So, it doesn't feel like an industry show. It is people geeking out and getting into the weeds and understanding what they can do and how they can be part of this. It's an open stack. They have the Jacket, you know, we are open stack, and it definitely has that kind of feel here. And I'm going to be back in the open source stuff, you know, later this week with Red Hat Summit, back in Boston. So, yeah, boy, Jeff, spring tour, it's been amazing. I mean, you've got some reflections the last couple of months. Well, we've been going, going, going, and we're, everybody's ready to take a breath. The gear's ready to take a breath. The airplanes are ready to take a breath. But we've been going hard, but there's just so much going on right now. As we talk at many of our shows, there's just this confluence of events between big data and cloud and flash and a lot of stuff going on in the software where it's just a really, really exciting time to be in tech. And unlike maybe the last bubble where a lot of it was just kind of weird B2C things, now the B2C things are reflective of big enterprise shifts. And, you know, we overuse Lyft and Uber, but I do think it's so demonstrative in showing how these new technologies are really changing a lot of different businesses. So we've been, we've been busy, but you know, the energy, just to see like EMC seems to be at all the little shows. HP seems to be at all the little shows. IBM is at all the little shows. So the fact that those guys are taking off their suits, I took off my tie in deference to the show. Girls, thanks for my father's day gift. But you know, the fact that they're getting down in the community, this open source thing is really working this kind of, we've always had kind of co-opetition in technology, but it really seems to have taken on a whole different leg when you're in these kind of combination of open source, not open source core. I think Patrick really talked about where do you put the connection points, how do you make great connection points? But before I let you guys do, because I know you're flying out tonight, back east, and you asked a question I'm going to ask you, what are some of the roadmaps? What are some of the signals that we should be just kind of keeping an eye out, not whether Docker's going to be successful or not. I think clearly it looks like it's on away, but just kind of maturity milestones if you will, or adoption milestones, what are you looking for? Yeah, so I mean, everybody is dipping their toe in and starting to work on it. You know, when you talk behind the scenes and say, hey, are you running this in prod yet? And some are, but many aren't. And it's the maturity, it's just getting comfortable with it because the developers, to quote the book by the Redmonk guys, developers are the new king makers. So they are really helping to move forward a lot of this. I've seen for so long just the big air gap we have is how do we help move to those new models of applications and I think Docker is right at the center of bridging, Solomon said in the keynote there, there's lots of people with innovative, good ideas and there's lots of cool tech out there and this can be kind of that catalyst to help move things forward. So what do I look for over the next year? Boy, it's tough, it's going to scale and it's going to grow. I'm worried when things move so fast that we're going to like throw a tire or something like that. Certainly breaks a few days. And something's going to go awry. So when you've got really big companies in here and big ecosystems, I mean, you mentioned a bunch of the enterprise companies, but I mean, Amazon, big presence here, Microsoft, big presence here, Google. I mean, we haven't talked a lot about Google today, but Google, what they're doing with Kubernetes, Google Ventures out there doing a lot there. So some really big players and you're going to have some gorillas stomping on some ground to try to get there, what they're owning. So I'm still a little worried today. It's small and it's early and people are working together pretty well, but boy, there's tensions there. And we will see how this goes forward. The last note I'll say is, there's always rumors that Docker's going to be acquired. And I don't get that feel here. It's like, Ben doesn't sound like he wants to sell off. I mean, if somebody comes to do with a ridiculous bag of money, there's the investors and the shareholders that they have to consider. But Docker's trying to build something here. They're growing that ecosystem and they're moving the product and the revenue along in the right direction. So excited by what I see here. And it's just as John Furrier always says, we're privileged to be able to really document this, be on the ground floor and bring this out to our community. Yeah, well, thank you, Stu, for flying out for the show. It's a great show. And just to wrap up on your thing, we've got Jerry Chin coming on tomorrow from Greylock, who I think this was his first investment in his new job. So he's done pretty good. It's like, you know, but my first major league at bat and you know, you knock it out of the park. It's like game seven. If I was George Costanz, I'd be like, you know, just raise your hands and walk off on a high note. Yeah, so it's good deal. We'll be here again all day tomorrow, wall-to-wall coverage from DockerCon 2015. I think we kick off at about 10 a.m. Right after the keynote. Right after the keynote. And so 11 o'clock. So tune it back in here. We'll be going wall-to-wall. Thanks again for tuning in. I'm Jeff Frick, joined by Stu Miniman at DockerCon 2015 San Francisco. We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for watching. So theCUBE is starting to do their own events now and it's really like the next step, the next evolution of theCUBE. 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