 Yeah a little a little coat made of mouse stem cells yeah like is there a point where like maybe someone else could use those stem cells like there might be a mouse in need yeah no I really care for mouse but no mouse was really hurt in that particular case because I know I know that I know the scientists that did it they're very very careful about mice and no but I don't where do I draw the line well ethics is a part of design as it should be a part of everything in life so I am very careful about what I show that particular mouse stem cell coat was actually meant to elicit a reaction and a big question in everybody's mind because it was a coat a little coat made of stem cells that was growing. But then the sleeve came off yeah what happened is that it was an exhibition it was an exhibition at Moment 2008 called Design in the Elastic Mind and this little coat was in an incubator and it was growing and then two weeks after it started started growing a little weird you know like a sleeve was off and the scientists were back in Australia so I asked them what do I do and they said well Paola very simple you just turn it off I said what do you mean turn it off I said well you it's an incubator you just like switch it off so I have to kill the coat and they say yeah well if you want to put it that way it was never alive no it was alive so I was starting you know thinking that I'm so pro choice and pro everything I started not sleeping at night because I had to kill the little unborn coat you know and that's what and that's what art or design does you know it's like it's terrible I felt like I was the governor I was worried it was gonna like I was worried it was gonna end up on eBay but this is much more serious no no it ended on it and it ended in the press because that's what I do when I have trouble I ask the press they're coming we're getting phone calls at MoMA you know evangelicals say don't kill the coat and then how do you determine because you have so many brands like how do you determine which ones get in and which ones don't like I remember you had Kikuman soy sauce oh let's see we never think of brands like the Kikuman soy sauce is an amazing object it was designed by Kenji Akwan and oh you have it they're great so he designed it in 1963 and not only is it working perfectly does it ever clock have you ever found one of these bottles ever clock so it doesn't hold on a second so that soy sauce that's in the exhibit that is from night that's been sitting there since 1963 no see in design when an object is the same and it's done the same way yeah it's always an original so we bought it I mean when Kenji Akwan died just a few months ago we wanted to immediately put the Kikuman soy sauce out but the real Japanese writing bottle was in Queens so we went to the supermarket and bought a Kikuman soy sauce and we put it there as a placeholder until the shuttle could come from Queens with the with the actual you know collection piece but nobody noticed and then how do you deal when like it turns out that Kikuman although they've now reformed like they were they were not doing great practices they weren't great not they were not really to mice actually to mice I didn't know sorry I didn't do but they're better now they're better now okay don't worry about it now they're they're mice get their own coats and they're made out of people I didn't know about this they're made out of human stem cells so it's it all came to my due diligence thank you