 Roger Waters, tell us a little bit about what you feel is happening to the people of Palestine and why we should care about it. Well, what's happening to the people of Palestine is the same thing that's been happening to them since 1948. They are being slowly but surely driven from their land and from their homes and from their lives and from their culture. So the Israelis are trying to make them disappear so that they can have Aretz Israel and it'll be certainly the whole of what was called Palestine during the British mandate and probably Jordan as well if they get their way. So that's what's happening to them. Today is the international day in solidarity with the people of Palestine. It's a complicated period. The Israeli government has designated six prominent Palestinian human rights groups including the Union of Palestinian Women's Committees as terrorist organizations. How does one even react on a day like this on the international day of solidarity to something like this where groups of sincere people are being named terrorists by the Israeli government? Well, certainly not with surprise because it's exactly what we expect from them. Their attacks on anybody who tries to redress the balance in terms of human rights or the freedom of the indigenous people or anything else is met with this kind of nonsense. What was I saying? My reaction was I started posting tweets that went hey Israel leave the six alone quoting my own song from 1978 or 79 or whenever. So the response to it has to be loud. It has to be vigorous and it has to be united and it is. People are flabbergasted and disgusted in equal measure by these pronouncements. Obviously none of these organizations have anything to do with terror or terrorizing people in order to achieve a political end. There is a lot of terrorism but it almost always comes from the Israeli side of the argument. It is certainly an act of terrorism to drop a 2000 ton bomb on somebody's apartment building or family home. It's interesting that this is the 29th of November. In 2012 I spoke at the UN on that day and I'm really glad that I did. It's probably the last time I ever put on a suit and tie because I wanted their excellencies to take me seriously and I spent a long time working on the speech that I made that day but that's what nine years ago now. So nine years have passed and a lot has changed. It is much harder today for the Israelis to get away with this nonsense of calling great wonderful human rights organizations working for the benefit of human beings whether they're Palestinian or Israeli or English or American or anywhere. It's much harder for them to smear such organizations and such people than it was in 2012. So we are making progress. So good for you everybody who's fighting back against this. You are winning this conversation because you are right and they are wrong and that is extremely important in my view. Well that's true but I also want you to help me a little bit because this year the focus is on Palestinian women and girls and one of the things we find is that the Israelis have made education for boys and girls in the occupied territories in Gaza very compromised, bombing Gaza routinely denying assistance of material into Gaza in the occupied territory, seizing land, bulldozing houses and so on. Do you have a message for the young girls of Palestine and how we should extend our solidarity to them? Well it's interesting that you should single them out. Obviously the particular organization that you're talking about has now completely understand the idea of feminism in any society around the world because by and large societies in the last few hundred years have moved towards patriarchy and it's very often that women and girls get a very raw deal not just in terms of mutilation of their bodies and lack of education and so on so forth. So I'm completely behind them but bulldozing schools is wrong obviously and to deny our children whether they're boys or girls but particularly girls because they get denied an education more readily than boys do. Dare I say in the Middle East in general there's a certain reticence about the idea that girls should be educated which is obviously completely wrong in human and goes against any progressive notions that any of us human beings might have about the way society may develop in the future. Funnily enough it was not always thus, many ancient civilizations were actually matriarchal and probably worked better for the benefit of that. So there wasn't quite so much testosterone involved in the making of decisions and so on and so forth. Does that make any sense? I mean we're talking about civilizations which used to have at least the opportunity given for boys, girls, young adults to grow, to develop themselves and so on. Very hard to grow under occupation, very hard to grow when the sound of a bulldozer is coming towards your school. Very hard to do these basic things. Today is the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian people. You have yourself stood in solidarity with the Palestinians, acted in solidarity with the Palestinians for years, put up with all kinds of attacks and so on. When you say we are winning, give us a few words of encouragement from your long role in fighting against apartheid. Give us some words of encouragement about that feeling that we are winning. Well you just used the one word of encouragement that we can all gather around, sad as it is, apartheid. So in 2012, which is only nine years ago, you could not use the word apartheid in a conversation about Israel and Palestine or about Israel and Israeli policy. Well now you cannot have a conversation that is meaningful in any way without using the word apartheid. And they use it all the time to deny it just as much as we on the side of human rights do. As I've always said, my platform is tiny. It's the 1948 Paris Declaration of Human Rights and those 30 articles, that is what I believe in. That is what all of those organizations that the Israelis are trying to accuse of being terrorist organizations, that's what they believe in, all of them. That is their platform. I stand on the same platform they do. The Israeli government and most of the Israeli people, maybe 90%, don't believe in that platform. They don't give a shit about human rights. In fact, the whole question about human rights didn't exist at all because that is not the world emotionally, philosophically that they live in, politically that they live in. Well we do and it's a world that we, the peoples of the nations of this tiny planet, want to see develop in the future. Otherwise we may lose this planet, lose this place that we live on. Unless these philosophical notions are generally accepted by our leaders as well as us. I saw you berating them all at CO26 or whatever it was in Glasgow the other week and good on you, telling them what monsters they are. Boris Johnson and the other kind of world leaders who had to listen to what you say, you were in a public forum and what you said made complete sense. It is harder and harder and harder for them to deny it. I'll stop rambling because I am rambling but the only thing I can say is that things are changing very rapidly. It may feel like the top is going very slowly but it's not. The way people's minds are becoming more adept at accepting simple truths like the ones that you and I are exchanging one to another in this conversation today, the more chance we have of changing things in the Middle East and all over the rest of the world. But we have to make a lot of noise and we have to stand together. I've seen odd sectarian things happening in this movement that really worry me. You can support me but you mustn't support these people who are also working for Palestine because they're communists. Somebody who we both know very well said that to me last week. I'm not naming any names but I will be speaking to this person later and saying how dare you accuse our brothers in this fight or some of them of being communists and in consequence we shouldn't sign their petitions or we shouldn't. You sound like Joe McCarthy. What's wrong with communism anyway? Oh well blah blah blah blah blah blah. No no no no. The basic idea of communism is politically sound and it's soundly a humane idea. You know well we all know what it is. Well they don't. Well maybe we don't all know what it is because we all haven't read Marx and we don't all understand it. We just think oh they're authoritarian and they're this and that. We have to act together. We cannot be looking at our brothers and sisters and turning our noses up because they might be a different religion or a different sect or a different political belief than us. We have to stand together on this platform, human rights. That's all I was saying. We have to stand together. That's absolutely true. Thanks a lot.