 Hallo everyone, ik heb nu aan m'n ouding company gebouw, waarin ik ges van al over het wereld vir een ouding interview, meting griep en vragen van het ouding. M'n ouding is ondiefeete boxer Joe Kozagge. Tickets are on sale nu, voor het ouding en Glasgow, op 29 januari 2022. Je kan het link in de description of go on to eventbrite, type in Joe Kozagge Glasgow en purchase your tickets there. I will hopefully see you all soon for what's going to be an amazing night. You can now follow me in all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications button so you're notified for when my next podcast goes live. Bummer on! In today's guest we get David Curtin, how are you brother? I'm really good, good to be here. Is that how you pronounce your second name? Curtin, yeah like if people get confused with something you put over the window but it's not spelled like that, yeah. All over social media, you're all for a free speech, you just ran for London mayor there. I did, yeah that was last month and disappointing result, you know but I gave everything I could to it and I was on the London assembly for five years so I'd hoped you know we could build on that and I could become mayor and we need we need someone to sort London out don't we, I mean as well as the rest of the country and the rest of the world it seems now but you know London's just got absolutely crazy over the last five years and all this kind of wokery, this political correctness and as well as like traffic chaos you know at every level London needs sorting out but you know it was very disappointing the results and the old Sadiq Khan got back in again, there you go, I don't know how but he did, I was going around campaigning and honestly I didn't meet anybody, not anybody who was going to vote for him, not even muslim people that I spoke to who are running businesses because they say he's not done anything for us you know he's put all these road blockages in, they didn't like him either you know. I think there's a lot of corruption and that came to say the things in the politics. Yeah there is you know and the way it's done in this country is you know people sort of give a contract to their mate or you know a vriend's brother or their wife's brother-in-law or something like this and so you know it's done in a way that is very difficult to see what's going on. You know I lived in Africa for a couple of years back in when I was a younger man and there it's a bit more obvious you know that the president buys himself a castle and you know builds himself a big house in the countryside but it's a little bit more subtle here but yeah I think there is definitely some corruption going on it all needs to come out you know and these people need to be dealt with you know they need to go before the courts can't let that going on. We'll touch on all that later then if you've heard of it. Let's get a better understanding of you, where you grew up and how it all began. Yeah well okay I was born in Sussex I grew up in a village called Barnum which is near Bogna Regis I went to school there I grew up with my mum my mum's English my dad was Jamaican but he left before I was born so I never met my dad so I'm pretty much you know brought up as an Englishman you know my mum she was just wiped from Surrey and a couple of my grandparents as well we lived in a house together there down in Sussex so I went to school you know pretty normal then I went to university in St Andrews Scotland same place as William and Kate went you know is famous for that but I was there first I was there 10 years before them and yes so I did chemistry there and I got a degree in chemistry so after then yeah I did a masters as well but from them the main bit of my life working was as a chemistry teacher so I went back in and I taught in a variety of schools in this country and abroad as well you know mainly up to A level IB diploma level and I enjoyed it I enjoyed especially I enjoyed you know using my my job and my career to do a bit traveling so you know I didn't just teach in this country I did and around London for quite a lot of time but I taught also in Botswana for two years and Bosnia Herzegovina for a couple of years the USA for two years and I did a sort of years maternity cover in Bermuda as well so that was quite a good gig to get so uh yeah so that that's um what I spend most of my career on and uh and before I got into politics and yeah how does one go from uh teach you how to get in politics it just happened you know I mean thing is for me politics and current affairs and culture is always something that's interested me you know I was always been interested in you know news and politics en wat is going on and and where things are going and I you know maybe held some kind of thought or dream maybe that I could get involved in it sometime but there came a point I just thought I've got to get involved so I joined UKIP in 2012 and I joined it for two reasons and one is because I was concerned about the EU and where that was going you know so obviously that was the time before the referendum that happened so that was a big thing and I was always very concerned about the political correctness you know which was growing even then you know 10 years ago but you know what it is today it's turned into a beast so the only party that seemed to be dealing with both of those things was UKIP so I joined and I was really great to be there in in the great days of UKIP you know those sort of four years from 2012 to 2016 leading up to the referendum and so so it was great to be there and be part of it all there and so I first stood for election in 2015 I stood in just a very very difficult seat in in a London Camberwell and Peckham yeah nice though it is I was standing against Harriet Harman and so yes the queen of political correctness really so there was a massive difference between me and her um but yeah that was my first seat obviously it was one of Labour's safest seats in the country so it was very difficult to win that one obviously they won that but it was good experience and then the next year I went for the London Assembly elections and I was second on the list and UKIP got two seats so I got into the London Assembly which is fantastic so you know one of the few people that got elected for UKIP back in the day there so it was great and I've tried to use it just to bring a bit of common sense and sanity and you know ask the questions that need to be asked and no one else is going to do so we got an extra year in the London Assembly because of the whole COVID situation which is another crazy thing too but so I was there for five years which brings us you know nearly up to today because you know so we had the elections and and unfortunately I didn't get back on the assembly but it was a it was a great five years and you know there's a there's a lot of things there that hopefully I've done that draw attention to you know the the insanity of what's going on and you know if I can bring some hope and courage to people to speak up yourselves when you see something is crazy and you know something needs to be changed you know people have got to stand up and speak up otherwise you know the craziness is just going to go on and win we got to we got to stand up against it and and fight back so that's what I've been doing what do you think if you became mera london what would you change I changed stuff on every level I mean what mother three things that I thought the the campaign on was make London safe again and that was to deal with the police you know stop them from doing this politically correct rubbish and two tier policing get them out doing their proper jobs and the police are there to catch murderers and rapists and burglars and thieves and fraudsters that's what they should be doing there should be no question that yeah or when we're not going to look into burglary because that's low priority you know catch real criminals but don't do all of this political you know woke nonsense you know don't don't be sort of you know dancing around in rainbows and taking a knee to black lives matter and all that kind of stuff which is what they've been doing with increasing frequency over the last few years I mean that's that's one thing the other thing is to um unblock the roads because you know what's been happening in London under Sadiq Khan is the there's all these bicycle lanes going in and nothing against bicycles but when you put them in to narrow the road space for cars it's causing crazy congestion everywhere and there's all these road blockages going in under the the green scheme you know I don't know if you have them all around the country but in London it's a big issue these things called low traffic neighbourhoods where because of the green ideology people are just against cars they want to stop cars from being on the road so they're putting blockages up at the entrances to all kinds of neighbourhoods so vehicles can't travel from one place to another where they could before so they all need to be got rid of but unfortunately now the way it is you're probably going to have more of them so I was dead against them and the other thing was to open the businesses again and that comes down to the whole covid situation you know this affects London affects everywhere but you know I think London is really badly affected because of all the the theatres and the the cultural things the nightlife what they call the night time economy is just dead it's been killed by all these restrictions you know just just recently people have been allowed to go to the pub again but you know theatres and cinemas and clubs and music venues they're still closed and all of the extra businesses that that serve them and you know rely on them to to survive i mean what's going on to them they haven't got any business so they've gone under i mean the whole thing is absolutely insane to me so i mean my DJ friends DJ Fat Tony Hannah wants but Roy Lascott just had a big meeting there but yet they can't open theatres they can't open nightlife it's nuts why do you think that is i think there's there's different people who are you know motivated by different things who are in the government who are making this happen i mean i think there are some people who genuinely think that they're saving lives but you know i mean they've lost the plot really i mean they're not you know you've got total mortality is below the five-year average now and it has been since february so the death rate is below normal there is there is no sort of you the bodies aren't piling up like johnson said it's not happening but you know i think some people are motivated by money and greed you know it's the corruption we talked about before you know they've got interests in companies that produce PPE and links to vaccine companies that are manufacturing these things and you know they they're in for a bit of a dividend some of them i think definitely that's their motivation i think there's others that are motivated by wanting complete control and you know there's you know this is not a secret that the world economic forum talks about the great reset and the fourth industrial revolution and you have all the world leaders all over they all talking about build back better what does that mean you know it means destroying a lot of what's there destroying what we have now and building it back in a different way but it's not a way which they've asked people do you want this i mean they're not going to us and saying would you like to have vaccine passports would you like digital identity would you like us to get rid of cash you know would you like to be have all your children vaccinated with experimental drugs i mean they're not sort of giving you the option it's like right we're going to destroy everything and then offer you this as the solution and if you don't take it you're going to keep being punished and locked down you know this is what we've seen this week you know excuse me it does make me angry you know really makes me angry that you know they've given people this hope for the for months and months and months you're going to unlock a little bit and a little bit and a little bit more and then on june 21 you know we're going to unlock the country everything will be back to normal and just a week before they say no we're not going to do it we're going to keep it you're going to keep you locked down for another four weeks and now they're or even now before that's happened they're propagandising and coming up with the next thing oh there's uh there's maybe a vaccine shortage so you might have to keep you locked down a little bit longer you know this is there's no reason for this whatsoever so i think there are some you know i hate to say this and some very very wicked people who have got very very wicked motivations and they are destroying our country and you know this is not just here but other places around the world you know you see it in canada new zeeland you know certain states in the usa um you know it's it's never ending but the power of the people is so strong the power of the people stand up then the game for the wicked is over now this is a scary thing because now what a new virus from india because what happens is they know how i've never seen this in my lifetime and i don't think obviously when you had world war one world war two people were fighting dying killing each other for power whatever but to then fill the world with fear and people have accepted that you think this is going to be only time this is going to happen now of course not until people make a stand what i was told is if they if they stop lockdown they then can't give a vaccine out anymore so they've got to keep lockdown going why how can you give a vaccine to something that doesn't exist anymore so they'll squeeze and squeeze en squeeze until people are broken now lockdown is over people can't walk about yeah but the streets are empty why because people are in the house full of fear i don't wear a mask i'm fit healthy young man i have to explain myself every shop every taxi everything i know a lot of people won't like it because the majority of the people follow the rules of what they see on tv follow the rules of what they read in newspaper but i'm a fit young man i'm healthy 99 99.9 survival rate for anyone under 60 why are you giving me shit you've had your two vaccines you're wearing your mask why are you worried down shouldn't you be covered shouldn't you be fucking okay then that's right yeah people it scares me that how people can be so dumb down now listen i could be wrong i could be fucking wrong i could be just as loopy conspiracy theorist just looks into everything differently i also think well maybe the the government do look after us maybe they do are concerned but really suicides through the roof drug abuses through the roof more people are dying by these two by singlehandedly from suicide the numbers have just come through that they've nearly trebled alcohol abuse drug abuse people losing their businesses losing their job for why because someone says on the tv that this is what's going to happen if you don't if you don't obey by these rules then you lose your fucking life people losing their lives anyway so why not take a chance and make a stand that's so fucked up how do you when you go against the grain speaking out like this do you become a threat do you ever worry for your life i haven't worried for my life but you know i i'm not worried you know if something happens to me it happens to me you know what is that i mean i've just got to do it anyway you know you can't worry about these things you know so what someone might bump me off i mean who knows the president of tanzania you know he got bumped off didn't he he was against it and he was speaking up he was a great man wasn't it john john muckafoole i think his name is and he he was the one who actually sent these um samples of goats and papaya to the the lab and they came back positive for covid and he just made a complete fall out of the world health organization but yeah he was disappeared for a couple of weeks and then it was reported he's dead um shocking shocking isn't it but you know you've got to fight for it you've got to stand up for what's right you know not worry about these things i mean i'm i'm not but it's um yeah i don't wear a mask um you know you can say you're exempt but you know i've had hassle for that and uh i had a very disturbing experience on a train up to the midlands a few weeks ago and you know i i just decided i'm going to try and see what happens i'm just someone came along en uh you know this woman inspector and she she asked if i was wearing a mask and i just thought i'm not going to say anything you know i've got the right to silence and um so then she said are you exempt and i didn't say anything and she got quite agitated and you know what she she started doing this with her hand in front of my face like and to try to get me to say something and i just said i thought i'm just going to see what happens so then she started tapping me like this on the shoulder and she started tapping she knocked my phone out of my hand and then i went to pick my phone up and she said i don't like the way you're behaving i'm going to have you removed from the train and she went away and called someone and then came back with a body cam on her and um then she started to question me and um and wind me up and try to get me to provoke me into saying so yeah reaction so that she could say you know i'm i'm a threat or i'm breaking public order whatever so i i started talking to her she where are you going i told her where i was going i showed her my ticket and then she you were ignoring me weren't you uh why were you ignoring me i just thought i'm not going to say anything and then she started saying i'm really worried about you are you well i'm really worried that you're not well and so i said i'm fine just really quietly and calmly and then she said yeah well you're not behaving normally i'm going to have you removed and she she made the threat again and she was looking at me again i just didn't say anything and eventually she gave me my ticket back and walked off and nothing happened but the frightening thing about that was i just used my right to silence you know you don't have to say anything to someone she was a police officer um someone else has already checked my ticket on the train and um we're trying to twist things to make out that i had some kind of mental health problem because i was just you know i just didn't want to answer then questions about wearing a mask was very very disturbing the way that um you know this was just some person on the train you know was trying to insinuate that so that they may and then get it on camera so someone could come in en cart me off en lock me up of something you know heaven knows what would happen then but you know this is the government here has created a situation where people who would just normally get on are pitted against each other you know for the craziest of things you know you're wearing a mask or not wearing a mask have you got a vaccine or you're not got a vaccine in you know as you said people who have got a vaccine you know if it's if it's a vaccine that works it's a whole other issue then they shouldn't be worried about people who don't have it you know i mean i have a vaccine for what diptheria and pooping cough and all that you know so for those things unprotected i mean if you haven't got one i'm not bothered you know because you know you haven't got one i have got one so fine but this is a totally different kind of thing you can catch i don't know how many people know this but you can actually catch a virus through your eyeballs your eyeballs you can catch viruses so a plastic mask where there's holes at the site if somebody's got something you're gonna fucking catch it now human beings have been on this planet i don't know how long hundreds of thousands of years millions of years i don't know there's no people have come up with the theories of somebody's hit a bat that's came from china every disease on this planet is man made in my opinion everything has been created for pure greed pure money you've got the plague you've got wars you've got the flues you've got everything yes the immune system can shut down but you have got an immune system for a reason because it will fight infections now i don't have all the answers for it all i can only read from i'm read just because you watch a couple of youtube videos it does not does not make me an expert but it's my soul it's something inside me it tells me something ain't right now i could be crazy you could be crazy the person who gets the vaccine is crazy i've always said that divide and conquer just another way to divide the world look how everybody's fighting look at everybody's arguing why not if you want to take the vaccine fucking take it but don't give me shit because i don't want to take it i'm not saying to people don't take it don't do this don't do that i don't know i'm not a doctor i'm not a scientist but all it means choose your life choose what you want to do i'm not harming anyone i'm fit and healthy i don't know what the fuck's around the corner i'm not trying to control your life but people it is scary how easy people can be dumbed down to believe everything that they read and see instead of having a bit of common knowledge to maybe investigate look at where these big companies are coming from look who's running them just have a question question the things but people are just too scared now controlling my fear and people are easy manipulated and it's scary like do you know the stats and figures of deaths and the rates from it was it was high in april and may 2020 last year there was a big spike in total mortality and that's the figure you've got to look for i mean i do have a bit of a science background so you know when they flash things up on the the television and they show a graph and i can immediately see what why you you know your axes aren't labeled properly or you're presenting it in a certain way but you're only going back to this point and not that point and you very very quickly can see where they're trying to manipulate data to make a a propaganda point rather than a scientific point and from the very beginning they've used modelling modelling is not science you know professor fergans fergans modelling they are suggesting half a million people are going to die if we don't lock the country down maar dat wasn't based on real observation or real data it was just an algorithm and you can get any answer you want out of an algorithm by what you put into it you know say the whole um political you policy decision making thing has not been based on data it's been based on modelling it's been political but you got to look at hospitalizations you got to look at total mortality and they are below normal so you know there's from you know april this year there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for for any kind of restrictions i mean i i don't think at all personally but even if you are looking on the basis of like well when when the hospitalizations and death stop then we open up you should have done it a long time ago you know so um yeah i i think there are you know better ways of dealing with this you know people always talk about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin these antivirals sort of are very good at sort of relieving the symptoms of when you get this this thing whatever it is in the early stages but um yeah i i'm shocked at how much we've been dumped down like you say and i think this is something that's been going on for years and years in this country i mean the the level of understanding of maths and science has really gone down so much you know you know the general understanding of maths and science statistics in this country is is very very poor you know we're getting beaten now you know we've been been getting beaten by asian countries for years and years and years you know you know haven't been a teacher occasionally you know when i taught in independent schools you get someone coming over from hong kong joining the class and they're like well you know they're three years ahead of the english kids and that's in a private school i mean they really really do you know pump the maths and science you know in china and korea south korea and vietnam hong kong singapore they're amazing at the subjects why there's no reason why we can't be at that level why do you think the schooling system is the way it is it's nothing's changed it's all crunch numbers linear times tables there's your history learn about that people are coming out of school and they're feeling inadequate they don't feel good enough they don't feel worthy it's just all about memorization where's the creativity where's the individuality where's the fucking your own choices the system here the schooling system there's i believe you shouldn't talk about yoga finances fucking even love and death and she wouldn't talk about so many things but you're taught to sit at a desk four years old still sit at a desk at 65 there's nobody's loving outside of their comfort zone anymore wat do you think of the schooling system that's any of your kids just now i i i'm i'm not against you know um didactic teaching someone the front teaching stuff in kids learning but it's got to be productive yeah there's no point in sitting a desk if you're just not doing anything and you're not being challenged at all and and you know there should be different things so nothing wrong with that but it's got to be balanced with other things as well so you know like you're saying teaching kids about finance i mean that's so important um people you know understanding the economic system if you did that you've got power over your own life and power over your own finances but that's all been taken away um you know that used to be taught in home economics um but home economics now is in a way you know it's it's now just about cooking you know which is great i used to keep muffins and bunge but it's that's great it's really good but but you know along with that used to be sort of the well how much do you need to to make a meal how much do you need to budget for your your house and your household and how do you make it out so you don't get into debt so that you you you're getting an income and you're spending it you're not spending too much and you can save a little bit and then use that to to you know buy a bigger thing that's the sort of stuff that kids used to be taught but it's been taken out and that disempowers people you know but there's all this talk of empowerment empowerment about this this thing and that thing and the other but the things that really empower kids is to have the you know the understanding of how to take control of your own life and your own finances and your own career and um you know be your own man and be your own woman and that's one of the things that is not being taught you know and i i do think that we should be far far more rigorous in teaching kids and expecting kids to to have a much higher level of academic excellence in things like maths and science and languages but you know also there's the teach the kids the creative things like art and you know music that's got to come as well but that's often being removed um from curricula because it's it's too expensive or whatever and you know for a while some schools especially in cities they've been selling off their school fields you know so they can get a bit of money build turn their school fields into housing developments they get a bit of money but then the kids have got no place to to do sport you know or they have to hire out something else somewhere you know somewhere else in another venue so there's been such an attack on um education system but you know i i i do think that it's also been you deliberately targeted by people who want to use it to undermine um society as well you know with the whole sort of cultural Marxism and those kind of ideologies that are coming into school and uh you know the moment for example you got the whole black lives matter thing blew up and you know of course black lives matter but as an organisation it's marxist it's against the family it's against capitalism it's against the police it's against um society you know maintaining a sort of you know being safe and and and everything they just kind of want to stir up division between people based on race and um i don't think there's any need for it in this country you know it doesn't matter what i mean i just look at someone and you're a person you know i don't care what your colour is but now they're making this a really big issue and uh it's going into schools and you have diversity week black history week black history month or all these kind of things and and uh kids are sort of learning why you know this group is is disadvantaged in their victims when they're not really but then this group is should be guilty for what someone might have done in the past you know and that's just this is not the things to teach kids to you know make them well rounded whole people who are you know self confident this this is something that people teach kids in order to you know destroy their spirit and also you know by extension destroy the spirit of the nation as well what do you think about the transgenders doing story times at school what can i speak into primary ones and primary tours yes appalling isn't it i think it's terrible i mean who asked the parents if this could happen i mean i think most of them would say no definitely not i mean the whole transgender agenda is confusing kids about what um you know biological sexes your male or your female and now kids are to be brought up you're being taught or you can decide your gender when you decide no you're either a boy or you're a girl you know you tell the kid this is what you are and because this is what nature's made you and you know you might not be interested in the same things as the other boys or the other girls but you know to expose them to this transgenderism and you know some of the material which goes in is very very confusing to the kids i mean it's it's propaganda to try to teach them and undermine you teach them things which are not true and to undermine the scientific reality that there are two sexes based on your anatomy in your chromosomes right i was reading there that they're in the uk as well that i'll try to bring down the age of sex to have sex from 16 to 12 which are opinions on this of course it's terrible it was increased i think back in 1885 specifically to protect kids from pimp's who were getting teenagers to get into prostitution it was it was lower back in you know the before that day and then you know that was something that you know it's lost in history now but the the reason it's 16 is to protect children from exploitation yeah who would want to bring that back down to 12 again i mean then everybody who's been in one of these grooming gangs and is like right to teenager would then be be guiltless that they'd be innocent then according to the law wouldn't it that that's what that's what this is about so that people can then go and exploit kids and and then they can just get away with it i mean it's absoluute wrong shouldn't be brought down at all it's sickening but do you think all these things are getting put in place because then it becomes the norm to be talking about this crazy shit to then plant the seeds now for five years time to bring the age down and people think okay it's okay because even snapchat i was watching something that snapchat used to have a filter where it put masks on people five years ago eight years i don't know snap maybe five six years ago used to have a filter when it put masks on people everybody was doing the mask things and doing their stories reason being because this person thinks it's because conditioning people's minds to then think that masks are normal snapchat was the second most used app i think on the planet one point so the more they were using it as popularity it becomes normal it's in your back of your psyche somewhere some people start wearing masks i walk about and see people i think fuck me man like it just looks just looks crazy i can understand maybe people try to protect each other from viruses this and that but i should do a little bit of research you realize where you're actually getting manipulated to a certain degree that all these things are getting put in place but even know there's laws changed they started getting changed from 10 20 years prior they start planting seeds to then make these laws different like whoever controls the other the people in behind power already they got the things in place 20 years 30 years 40 years in advance they're already advanced to what's coming for the future we're just the scape we're just the fucking guinea pigs even for mobile phones and apps and technology we don't know the damage it's going to do in 20 30 40 years time but back in the day used to have doctor smoking fags and they were so healthy for you in adverts so things do change and you're always speaking about free speech why um you know where it comes from is i'm a christian and i think that things that i would like to say have been you know i've been attacked uh for that and i'll tell you where where it started um well it's before this but but i was standing uh in 2017 i stood for the the leadership of ukip i'm not in ukip anymore i've i've started a new party the heritage party but at the time that's what i was doing and i answered the questionnaire for a little group which was in the party called support for the family and there was a lot i didn't think anyone would see it and there were a lot of questions there were questions about islam there were questions about lgbt stuff and and transgender stuff and things like this and and you know one of the questions was do you think that uh you know there are two sexes and so on i said yeah i do agree with that and then there was another one asking about well what do you think about the definition of marriage do you agree with the you know the allowing of same sex marriage my opinion is i don't i don't agree with that i'm and that was you know i think it's an acceptable opinion lots of people have that opinion and some other things but there was an absolute outpouring of rage at me just because i'd dared to say i i don't agree with same sex marriage you know if you do that's fine i can disagree with you fine but because i had that opinion the opposite opinion there was a huge move of people by by sort of group that tried to get me kicked out of the the leadership contest get kicked out of the party kicked off the london assembly just for having that opinion and some other opinions as well to do with the whole issue and i thought well this is crazy you mean some of you say you're for freedom of speech when i stand up and say something you don't like you want to try to cancel me and you know from then i started seeing many many more examples of people being cancelled and you know at that time it was people being kicked out of universities not being able to speak at debating societies whether it's you know jordan peterson or ian herci ali who's a victim of fgm so brave somali and x muslim you know nothing against muslims she just happens to be x muslim and tells her story and you know just brave story but she's was no platform for that and now you know people like jk routeling are getting no platforms and again i don't agree with everything she says but she's i would agree with her on the the sort of biology you know and uh the the there are two sexes things so but that's gone on from there and now it's not just people being no platforms people are being kicked out of the jobs for having the wrong opinion and you know you had the case was resolved last week of maya forstata who said the same thing she thinks there are two sexes and she was a tax accountant and she was thrown out of her job and the the original tribunal you might know the story said that that opinion has no place in a democratic society is it how can you a judge say that you know someone thinks that you know a man can't become a woman that you're not allowed to say that in a democracy and then someone can be thrown out of their job for having that opinion on the internet somewhere completely different from their job and that's absolutely fine you know but she challenged that she appealed it and in the appeal tribunal that was overturned and the judge said oh that does have a place in democratic society i mean it took him like years to sort of like figure that out in the judgment but this is sort of where we are and this is the kind of canceling that's going on that is just now we're like in all wealth land isn't it where where they say you know how many fingers am i holding up this is five fingers well no no it's not but you know unless you say it is you're going to get you know stuck in prison and someone beat you over the head this is kind of where we are so free speech is very important where do you think it's all going in the future for london and the whole of the uk well we got to push back you know if we don't push back and if the people don't stand up for sanity and what's right then we're going to go crazy isn't it i mean you an interesting thing this week was i saw um there was a student in harvard uh from north korea called june park i think and she got a bit of attention in the twitter sphere this week for saying even north korea is not this crazy you know she's talking about harvard all of the indoctrination in the top ivy league universities which you get here and in oxbridge and the universities as well it's absolutely insane the sort of cultural marxist you know conditioning en uh destruction of the foundations of our culture and you know even just just things which is sane and scientific are being you know derided and and being you know kicked out of society everything has been turned on its head that will go on and on and on it won't stop until everything is gone and being destroyed unless we the people stand up and say no we're not having it we are going to rebuild and reestablish the foundations of our nation you know and i as a christian as i said before i i think that that is a big part of it you know because it works you know you don't have to be you know born again christian or something but if you you understand that a society that's built on the the 10 commandments and that has those sort of principles and and an understanding of you know reason and rationalism and liberty that comes out of it it works and you know people have a you're all on the same in the same framework and you can have the freedom within that to sort of you know look after yourself and and and build your own life but you you consider each other and um you know that you put the family and you put your nation at the heart of things and um and that's a framework for you to live in but you know what people want to do they want to destroy the nation they want to destroy the faith they want to destroy the family family is particularly under attack you know the the traditional nuclear family mother father have their own children bring up their own children that has been massively under attack for decades and decades and it's a good thing you know because children uh every study that has been done on you know the the sort of outcomes for children is that in general they do better if they're brought up with their own mother and father of course there are some people who do well who who aren't brought up in a traditional family but it is a really good solid foundation for bringing up children it's natural isn't it i mean you know 30 years ago no one would even think about it but now you have people's questioning that all the time and deriding it so you know we need to rebuild the foundations of our country again and push back against this otherwise there's not going to be anything left yeah it's scary about the people who do push back the people who do question that are the ones who are ridiculed or the ones who are called crazy now it's scary now you look at um the lockdown not stopping on the 21st of june but yet all the m and a is it what is the g g 7 g 7 summit they're all standing next to each other with their champagne no masks on why are you people taking that why the f can you not look and see in their face like why are these people leading our country the world and yet look at them laughing in your face we need new leaders don't we they're appalling i'm really it's disgusting isn't it but then again it's the people behind them those people also are pulling the strings isn't it leaders of the real evil they're part of the game but it's the people behind them what's a great reset to you well it's something that's real isn't it it's the world economic forum wants to bring this in it's it's basically you know it's it's a sort of bizarre 21st century hybrid of communism fascism and a new thing which is technocracy that they want to bring in so it'll be like communism with artificial intelligence and and the new technology that we've got you know with a complete control system like this this chinese communist party social credit system that you know it's all up and running in china already so it's basically that's what they want to turn the west into and you know you had a communist revolution in in russia with the bolsheviks back in 1917 and then china followed on in the 1940s 45 en so on and then it never happened in the west really but it's happening now we're pretty much going you know we're having a communist revolution but we don't see it as such because it's not a quick violent revolution it's it's been done without bloodshed but this is what the the communists of the time advocated you know with the whole frankfort school and the sort of communist thinkers who were perplexed at why a revolution didn't take place in in western nations they tried it you know people tried to have a violent revolution there there was one in austria and there was one in hungary there was one in bavaria but they're very very short lived and then you know capitalism took back over again italy as well but they they were sort of thinking why is it not happening in the west and so the the thinkers of the time said well in order to make it happen it's not going to happen in the west quickly and violently it's going to be slowly we'll have to slowly undermine the culture get into all the institutions corrupt the institutions corrupt their values corrupt their principles change them educate a new generation of kids in the new way of thinking and then the generation after that and this has been going on for sort of a hundred years slowly slowly slowly until now we're at the point of crisis where everything is being enacted and there is the very quick change coming from you know freedom liberty capitalism whatever i don't i you know i i like capitalism i don't like corporatism oligarchic corporatism which is sort of what we got now but that's what they want in the future you know the corporatist which is basically fascism you know it's italyan fascism where the state decides who can run a business you know you have all these massive businesses small businesses are destroyed and gone under but every you know the state decides who can who can operate the business so the the state doesn't own everything but it controls everything and added to that you've got the the sort of new technologie and the the ai to you know the the the total monitoring system that's going to come in with with 5g and satellites and so on that they want to to look at your every move and your every transaction your every word you know maybe not your thoughts but you know they're probably trying to think they're probably soon then yeah yeah but they say they don't know what i've removed but dan we have facebook instagram and twitter we've got phones the people say oh i never get chipped what have you got in your pocket what have you got in your hand you are fucking chipped like i'm addicted to social media now i can preach all this shit and talk about it but yet you know i'm still sucked in because not feeling too good i'll post a photo talk about debates get involved whatever i don't really get involved as much online because it's people behind screens you can't have a civilized conversation with somebody you can't have a disagreement with someone and just have a conversation like mean you're just having a chat yeah we're kind on the same path but if we never it's just a discussion it's your beliefs my beliefs somebody's belief where it's christianity whatever religion you let's just have a chat let's just talk why can't people not just sit around the table and talk don't force your opinions on me i won't force my opinions on you this is why i believe what i do let's talk about why you agree what you do so it's just you can't have a civilized conversation online because people just want to attack their shots they go he's not agreeing with me so they attack and they dig up shit and the talk shit it's difficult how worried are you for the kids of this generation oh very worried i mean they're being attacked at every level aren't they i mean in schools i mean schools are not where they used to be and you know i haven't taught in a in a school now for for sort of six years because i've been you know actively in politics on the assembly but ja it's really tough isn't it i mean that's why a lot of parents are now thinking about taking their kids out of school and homeschooling them because there's so many things coming at them you know the government wants to dump this on them and that on them there's the vaccines come in their way there's the you know relationships and sex education that they've just made compulsory which is going to bring in really highly sexualized material to kids and even kids themselves say i think that we're just you know you know guinea pigs for some adult ideology you know the people that are looking you know eight-year-old kids are like well you know some of them have got a little bit more you know self-confidence to speak and articulate what they're they're seeing is why are we learning this why can't you just let us be kids in the past you know you let kids be kids primary school kids you used to play with trains and you know make you know make paintings en stuff like that you know now they want to like teach them about you know drag queen this and you know this act and that act and you know i've seen some of the material that's um you know gone into schools and it is it's absolutely shocking you know there's things in there that i've never heard of you know that they're teaching to i wouldn't want to stay here in a polite company but you know some of the stuff that i've seen you know it you know recommended in you know warwick shear and in other counties that are going into schools is like kids are exposed to this stuff you know that your parents wouldn't even know it's like well why is this happening why is the purpose behind that wow i mean it's what's the elixcus it's the thing you know we're talking about before they want to lower the age of consent and coming from the un and the world health organization is the concept of children's sexual rights so that you know that children will what they want to roll out with this there's a program of comprehensive sexuality education it's being rolled out all around the world we're speaking to someone in wales you know yesterday is fighting it they're just going to introduce it in wales next year they're one of the last ones because it's already happened in england and scotland and you know they want children to be you know basically have the sexual rights of adults lower the age of consent and say well you know from the age of 10 you pretty much can decide what you want to do you know your parents won't be responsible for you the state will be you can make your own decisions about everything you know i wonder if you know i'm just sort of thinking off the top of my head here i wonder if reducing the voting age is part of that as well you know sort of in scotland wales it's been reduced from 18 to 16 why you could reduce it lower and you know give them you know rights to do this and that and the other and you know parents would then it takes the responsibility for for bringing up kids away from parents and it gives it to the state so the state basically own your kids and if parents complain about it then you know they'll come and take your kids away from you and this is happening it is they're not old enough to vote but you're old enough to fucking have sex like there's just some wicked people behind this shit like i don't know all the answers to it i'm wary of everything that is in the school curriculum i'm wary of what's in the vaccines that are getting placed in the schools now some of these schools and around the world are just giving kids vaccines without the parents consent i think some schools in england actually done that i know some people kicked up her first like if somebody's sticking a needle in my kid's fucking i'm like i'm going to go fucking into like you don't have the right to make those choices but i think it's getting to that stage where people are getting squeezed and squeezed that people are just letting things happen and that's a scary place to be what i've happened to standing strong and standing tall and fighting for your rights and fighting what you believe that people have just dumbed right down where they've just accepted it well i'm saying just accept it but there's been rallies in marches in london we're over a million people i believe there's another one in the 26th of june where people are going to stand and there's no violence there's no fights there's no anger there's no frustration you can't have peaceful protests this is a beautiful thing like yes people can call you a conspiracy theory but i'm just open minded to something ain't fucking right my soul's telling me is something ain't right i could be wrong i could be crazy i believe we're all crazy and so we're on a certain degree we're all kind of little fucking wires i miss but i just don't want to be lied to why can't we have a beautiful life want kind we have a peaceful life a loving life like we do walk along the streets i don't see any violence i don't see any racism i don't see any buddy fighting i don't see things getting stolen that the world is a great place but we just seems to turn on the radio or look on social media or watch your tv you are brainwashed to think the world's that's in the world is corrupt to certain degrees for the people and we're in it but it's not a it's actually a decent place people are decent but they're just for me too easily controlled maybe we just need to turn off our television yeah exactly just watch stuff like this yeah exactly that's it you get it like it is what do you think about the the protest in the 26th of june oh it's going to be great you know i've been to so many it's from the beginning you know i went to the first one it was you know last year last year was when there were only 50 people and the police went in really really hard and arrested people and then there was another one there were 300 people and they went in really hard again and i spoke at one of them in trafalgar square last september and it was a wonderful beautiful rally you know loads of 20 000 people there but i wouldn't have believed it if i hadn't seen it with my own eyes you know columns of riot police coming in attacking the crowds attacking the stage you know beating people with their batons and it was entirely peaceful you know and at that point i was absolutely shocked that in england in the middle of london the police were attacking peaceful citizens for no reason whatsoever it's absolutely appalling and when they started up again i mean there wasn't so much going on over the winter because it was cold people didn't want to come out so much and i think people were to to some extent demoralized but there was there was one started i think it was the march the 15th or something like that and 50 to 100 000 people turned up it was started in in hide park and at the beginning the police were doing then usual thing of trying to pick off people one by one arrest them cart them off but just that there came a moment where there were just suddenly so many people that they stopped and they couldn't they couldn't carry on you know arresting people and picking people off like they'd done before and uh and now there's you know one every two three or four weeks and uh you know there was one what three weeks ago the next one's going to be 26th of of june and you know there's hundreds of thousands of people now every time which is fantastic you know i've been to every single one i will go to every single one and uh i went to one last week actually a smaller one in Glastonbury and uh spoke there and it's fantastic only 300 people but the nice thing was you know the police just left everybody alone there and they just left people to get on listen to music listen to speakers have a good time hug each other you know be with each other and there's no problem whatsoever absolutely no problem at all there's just people being normal and doing what they normally do what do you think juleena sanj well he's a hero isn't he i mean he's a and he's been treated terribly he shouldn't be in prison um they've just made stuff up to keep him there i mean first of all this was this very dubious rape charge in in sweden which has been dropped and even when it was dropped they kept him in because apparently what he he didn't go in for bail a bail like he just show up at the police station and one time he missed a bail attendance at a police station what seven years ago or something so they've kept him in a prison for that you know and now even when the american government lost the case when they tried to extradite him back on the 4th of january i was there and uh but they still went back to belmarsh i mean this is appalling he's a political prisoner in the uk i mean we shouldn't have political prisoners we're not the sort of country that that should have it we you know you got you get our government and they criticize iran they criticize china they criticize north korea yeah rightly so but they're doing the same thing to juleena sanj here in this country and all he's done is journalism he hasn't told a lie he should be out this is appalling how do you think when you start speaking out that the people do this credit you does that have a fearful for you it used to be but i don't care anymore because i just speak the truth you know and in in there's so many people who who see things and and you know they're afraid to speak speak out but i hope i can give people more courage by speaking out and you know i might get it wrong sometimes you know i i try not to i try to look at things and and think about what's right and what should be happening and you know speak up for people who are being treated unjustly and things that are being done which are destructive to our country in our world and you know just speak about them a good indicator of what's right is if you uh you look at the bbc and see what they're saying and the opposite is true you know so the mainstream media it's that's usually a pretty good indication of what's actually true and what's not so but you know yeah for it was tough you know and in the london assembly when i was there they had motions on all kinds of various things and you know one of the first things i said was that you know i'm against mass rapid immigration which is uncontrolled because of the effects it has on you know working people in this country and i was heckled and pilloried by you know all the other parties including one from the tori party is very very pro mass immigration and and it was tough you know the first time you speak up and you get heckled live on television in the chamber because it's all recorded and it goes out on the parliament channel um but you know i'm glad i did it because you know you get you grow a thicker skin and um and you get more confidence and you sort of figure out what's going on so you plunge into the deep end and if you if you um if you don't sink and if you swim then you float then uh you know you got the strength you got more strength to do next time i always say that you've got to keep swimming in late man just make sure the tide will get big sometimes the waves will crash against you but you must keep swimming never sink what should happen you know immigration well it's it's been too high for 25 years or more and it doesn't matter what it's Blair or Brown or Cameron May now Johnson we've had mass immigration and we shouldn't have had it we should have been training our own young people with the skills they need to do the jobs that need to be done in this country you know not bringing people in on mass you you know you you see at the moment you've got probably 20 000 people a year coming across the channel that's what it's going to be this year last year you know that's going to continue unless we get a change of government because they talk about doing something but they don't do anything i mean they've been talking about stopping it for years but you know they just pretty patell gets up and makes a speech how terrible it is and we must think about having a meeting to discuss doing something possibly in the future at some point but nothing happens nothing changes immigration come keeps going but that's tiny compared to the what you don't see you know it's very easy to see people coming across in dingies and getting picked up by the border force where they should actually be just be sending them back to France but you know that but that's happening but yeah there's many many times more people coming over in the backs of lorries you know like those 27 vietnamese that that were found dead in the back of a refrigerated lorry in tilbury last year you know that was just un terrible that you know they were found and they were dead but that's just it's very sad but you know so we saw we saw that but how many more are coming over every day i mean there's many many times more people coming over in these lorries than than you see coming over on the dingies you know and they're coming over on flights early in the morning you need to landing and not sort of probably checked in that's been happening for years and years and years and you know when it comes to the EU they they there was this what do they call it the secure status scheme for EU citizens who living in the the uk to have settled status that was it so you live here when when the the sort of contract was signed with the EU they could stay and they they estimated there'd be three million but there's five million five million applied for settled status rather than three million so there's two million more were here than the highest estimate than anyone has said before you know so it's been out of control for so so long you know we're told that the official population of the uk is 69 million well it's probably more like 75 million thanks i think so well you got this two million right there you know from the settled status that they didn't know about so there's another two million straight away and they're here legally um how many are coming on the back of a lorry illegally and are just working like slaves on someone's farm or as domestic servants somewhere you know this is going on there's modern slavery all around us but we don't see it because it's you know people are it's almost like the gulag archipelago in a way but in a different sort of way you know it's it's there but coming in being transported to places you know either working in nail bars you know this this you can see all over the place is a proliferation of nail bars everywhere never used to be nail bars now they're all over the place i mean i don't know why it's not something that i need for myself but you know i mean joking aside some of the people there are you know here illegally and they're being paid you know really really poor wages are being exploited um but nothing seems to be done about it what's your opinion for brexit then you for brexit i'm totally for brexit i was completely for brexit i campaigned for it for for a long time and i was really really happy when it happened yeah um because i don't think that it's the right future for the uk and i love europe i love the countries of europe you know absolutely i've lived in bosnia uh for two years and traveled to many of them um but i don't think the eeu is a good thing because it's undemocratic and it's taking power and sovereignty away from us and it's will stop us as a nation from being able to do what we want to do as a nation how do you look at it then from you leaving the uk and working in other countries for people from other countries what to come here but we have to send them back to understand that as well well i mean for me everything i did was legal you know and i worked as a teacher teaching chemistry in different countries and there were there was a job there for me you know people specifically wanted you know international teachers so you know i applied for the job before i got got the visa before i got there and the the job was for you know there was not a local person to do the job and actually when i was in bosnia i did train a local person to to do the job and she took over from me and she's still the chemistry teacher there now in the school so you know i was actually in a way helping to you know train the system and help the the system in the country so very proud of of doing that but um yeah look i'm not against immigration i'm not saying shut the door i'm saying it's got to be purposeful and useful and it should be balanced you know i mean you can have 300 000 people a year coming in if there's 300 000 people going but if you have 800 000 people coming in and 300 000 going then you know where where's the homes for everybody you know where's the hospital places for everybody where's the schools for all the children they aren't there so it just doesn't work you know and that's what's causing huge pressure on all of our public services and it's got just got worse and worse and worse because no one will address that and and then you know it's the other people that say you know they would say just talking about that it's bigoted wouldn't it's just a simple fact you know you've got to you've got to address these things and you've got to make sure it's balanced you know i wouldn't mind now a period of net emigration i think a period of net emigration would be very good where there are more people leaving than coming in so you've had net immigration for 25 years but you know i would be happy with the period where there's more people leaving than coming in because that would balance things over the long term so you're thinking more jobs for the people who live here more jobs of course yeah less hospital bills stuff like that yeah what about was your opinion on was i think just about every war that's been fought in our life lifetime lifetime with maybe one exception is uh is is being absolutely the wrong thing for the country to get involved in i mean iraak syria um you know libya it's just been disastrous you know for the people there and for us the only war i think that there was any justification for for us doing an absolute justification was the forklands war you know because uh the forklands were invaded by by a foreign power we yet to fight you know to um the people who live there want to remain british um so so we were right to to uh to go there and make sure it remained british but with that exception i think that um you know a lot of them have just been you know whipped up on the most spurious and dodgy pretext you know the the dodgy dossier it's known you know the blairs dodgy dossier saying there was so much blood in his hands weapons of mass destruction and they weren't you know yeah no weapons no there's so many people lost their leaf yeah what do you think is the syria just now it's a it's a absolute liberty for what's going on over there it's it's such a mess isn't it and i don't know the current state of it because there's so much going on but there's four or five different factions aren't there fighting um i mean you know i think isis has been mostly dealt with now hasn't it but um don't hear anything about any more not really here i think turkey is controlling a little bit of it around the border um the curds have been stuffed over i think my personally i think that uh you know the curd should have their own country you know they're a ethnic group why they're the the largest ethnic group in the world that doesn't have their own country but the reason they don't have their own country is going back to the the pico sykes agreement in the 1920s where the the british and the french carved up the ottoman empire when it collapsed and then they created oh we're going to just draw map borders on the map so we'll have iraak here and syria there and jordan here lebanon there israel there they didn't think about the curds and so they got a raw deal they never got their own country when they could have done um so that's caused an awful lot of problems but um you know but uh a sad is made out to be a monster that they need to get rid of well i mean it's probably not a great guy but you know if you get rid of him who's is he's probably going to be worse isn't it that's what happened in iraak in his saddam hussein not a great guy but you got rid of him and uh the country's he's fell into into disastrous chaos you know it's um so us getting involved in things that we don't know anything about and we've got no sort of plan to you know deal with it and build the nation again i mean it's just absolutely destructive liby is the same just could eat those you get poppy fuels gold or your and it's crazy to think that again it was at golf ketonka incident what was that one oh the the the gulf of tonkin vietnam yeah the gulf of tonkin vietnam like that was a lie yeah that was all a lie i know like that was all over everywhere that people accepted that okay it's okay to send the troops there it was all bullshit tony blair again weapons of mass destruction no weapons it's just the people behind it pure greed pure power but again do we have all the information to say that that is all wrong or what is all right we just don't know about for your gut feeling it just something doesn't smell right with all this what about the policing in the uk do you think there should be more police do you think there should be less do you think you should handle situations better i think they should be um doing their proper job you know they they shouldn't be politicized serve in the public yeah they should be there needs to be more community policing which has been completely decimated i mean what what they're doing now is reactive it's almost entirely reactive someone calls up with a crime they go there by the time they get there it's too late to deal with it i'm actually looking with interest at the new police commissioner for greater manchester because he's making some good sounds about actually you know we're not going to the public are fed up with wokery and uh yeah we're going to investigate all burglaries you know we're not when the no crime is too small to investigate and uh we we're going to have more community policing community policing is vital it's not an add-on uh extra that you do that you can get rid of and cut your budget for it it actually cuts crime and it it enhances the relationship between the community and the police and he was in south yorkshire before as the police commissioner apparently that's one of the best police forces because they actually have uh put community policing at the heart of their strategy which is to you know build build relationships see what's going on get intelligence and then you know actually fight crime rather than you know try to meet targets or you know be diverse and all this kind of nonsense you know so so that's very interesting so i'm going to see you know if if he does a good job in greater manchester you know he he's he's just going to he's just basically old school you know it's coming back that's what we need that yeah you started your own party as well yeah that's right about that heritage party yeah i'm really proud of that and um yeah so it's basically about a year ago we first sort of started to set it up and then applied uh to the electoral commission so yeah um it's essentially a socially conservative party that's what it's about you know it's the conservative party are not conservative at all they're not doing what a conservative party should be doing you know and labor is completely abandoned the laboring man i mean they're not about jobs and businesses anymore they're about this kind of insane you know wokery and green agenda and so on so we need something that's just basically common sense so you know look at our manifesto i've written the manifesto in terms of principles and and sort of you know so we're for national sovereignty which includes brexit um traditional family values supporting the family low immigration financial responsibility self-sufficiency in skills uh looking after our environment but that means you know preserving the greenness of our countryside not the whole sort of green agenda where you're actually paving it over and uh you know turning agricultural land into solar panels and this kind of thing you know which is is really anti anti-green in a way um and um yeah for equality before the law as well you know because it's very important that we get that you know common sense back into police crime injustice so yeah so i'm really proud of how it's gone and do have a look at it and uh and uh we are going to be standing in the locals and we're looking for candidates so you know if you like the look of it there's there's plenty of opportunity to get involved and become a member become a candidate and what i want to do is build it so that when the the general election comes we've got enough good candidates to be able to stand everywhere for Westminster so want to give people a real choice to set this country right again do we need uh is it hard being involved in politics is it not feels if you're bang in your head against the wall sometimes so hard i mean going into the local assembly it's like walking through treacores like going into the bear pit you know is a difficult outcast involved in the politics kinder stuff i don't see many politicians speaking out the way you speak out hmm is that difficult especially in london yeah i feel like i'm the end of the politicians agree with what you're saying but are just too scared or do you just think you're all fucking not you think you're loopy some of the tories come up and they say i agree with everything you said but they wouldn't say it themselves why because they're scared to death of being called a homophobe or a bigger or a xenophobe or an islamophobe or any other kind of phobe they're absolutely terrified of being called a name the thing is i've been called all the names in the book you know so it's like i've done that now now people know me you know i get i get sort of hatchet jobs done on me all the time by you know when i was standing um for the the mayor election and i i didn't have hardly any interviews with mainstream media but i had one with itv and we talked for ages we talked about uh police crime transport housing all the issues and she said um so tell me about the heritage party i said oh well where this were this uh and i said we stand for traditional family values and she said oh what does that mean and i said well i think marriage is a man and a woman and uh isn't that homophobic and uh when they did the cut that was about all it was on there you know none of the other stuff about you know police and housing and transport and bicycle lanes it was just that that's the bit they wanted you know have you been called a racist yet i've been called a racist which is quite hilarious i don't know especially when you get sort of uh liberal london woker arty call me racist you know and uh i don't know what they're thinking i say look look at my face you know you do become a racist but they they sort of don't get it how does that affect you at the start because we all get affected by words no matter who we are how did that affect you at the start mentally it was very you want to quit or anything it was very difficult because you know i always thought you know i'm i'm just trying to do good and you know i was i was a teacher for a long time so just you know obviously you have your battles with the kids about their behavior and stuff which is a different thing but here i thought well i'm coming in because i want to do do something good for the country and stuff and then you get people just you know casting you as a nasty horrible person and it's very difficult because you know where is this coming from there's all these people who are just at you trying to say you're you're racist you're a homophobe you're a bigot i get called uncle tom i got called coconut i get called worse things than that you know now i get called an anti-vaxer i get called conspiracy theorist a crank and nut job you know because i'm not towing the line on the whole lockdown and vaccine narrative you know so i've got all the kind of insults but you know now now it doesn't bother me you know it's a badge of honor you know that the people who who are they've got no arguments you see they've got no they've got nothing to say you know like we talked about before i talk about well immigration is not good because it's so you know it's putting pressure on public services you're a racist well argue the point what's what do you not have any you know counter argument to what i've just said i mean our public service is enhanced by mass immigration you know make the point but they won't they'll just come and say well no no you're racist you're xenophobe you're bigot and this is the kind of level of debate that you get from the people who are just throwing smears at you you know that's all that that's all they can do because they don't have an argument but they are somehow invested in some some very very strange ideology ideologies i you know for the life of me they they're not logical it can be difficult learn you can understand why people don't speak out because you do get you become a target you become a target where people just attack and dig up that and they'll throw mud and hopefully it sticks but why can't people just sit and have a debate just the way we are just talking yeah it's just a discussion no bullshit no drama you've got your beliefs i've got my beliefs how can people not just have that discussion and then i believe people could sort things out quicker that everybody's just want greed everybody's want the power everybody's want to take over the world without understand there's got to be things in place for the the world because you know if it was a free for all the world upside down there does there does have to be things in place but then tribalism plays a big part people are unhappy with their life they need to feel part of something and they don't know what the fuck they're talking about people don't know what they're talking about they're just talking talking gibberish because they see something and then they're just running with it without any backing same as myself i need to be careful because we have a big audience so i need not be a hundred percent but i still need to be clued up in certain things that some stats some figures to understand it now stats and figures you're reading can all be bullshit as well it could be lies same as reading books it could be all bullshit that the reading it can be difficult but just have an open mind have an open mind how does christianity play a part in your decision making and your beliefs yeah plays a very big part you know because um particularly with the the sort of things that are the ethical decisions i mean i think that's a little bit this what's different about the heritage party from some others you know what sort of try to tackle some issues that other parties wouldn't take they would say oh no we're not going to go there we're not going to talk about it you know because they're like well that's that's for you to to decide for yourself but i mean we're specifically for you know um supporting the family in the traditional family some marriages a man and a woman we're also pro-life parties so you know i think abortion is a is a terrible thing and we would like to see you know the the number of abortions reduced in this country you know now it's got to the state where it's just kind of been used as birth control and you know the the effect that has on you know children and and the mothers as well i mean is is awful but you know i get a lot of stick for for saying that because that's something that people get very emotional about because it is a very emotional topic but you know that's um something that you know i'm definitely very very pro-life because i'm christian and um yeah that that's sort of something that comes into my politics as well where do you go from here brother gonna carry on with the heritage party as the leader of the party so i'm gonna work for i'm almost like taking a sabbatical this year but i'm going to spend a year just trying to make it work and build it up and make it viable and make it grow um so that we can we can be a challenge to to the the old parties which you know basically just all the same and um yeah i would now i'm you know i'm not in the london assembly which is a is um you know disappointing i think that's because you're outspoken it may be because yeah i'm outspoken definitely but i mean the election was um it was very difficult because it was a there was an unprecedented level of candidates there were 20 candidates going for the mayor this time whereas you know before there was 12 and then you know before that there were only sort of eight or nine each time so that split the vote quite a lot you know um so it is what it is you know it's very very disappointing so it's taken a bit of time to get over that and sort of figure out what i'm going to do next but i'm really optimistic you know i'm looking forward to the future i want to build the heritage party and uh i want to make a change in this country and restore sanity david thanks for coming on today and having a friendly discussion i've appreciated that me good luck for the future thanks jane thank you check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast thank you