 Boom, howdy fam, how's it going? Welcome to the Red Man Group episode 179, almost closing in on 200 here, first episode of 2023. The Red Man Group first found in 2018, right here in 2011 studio, still going strong. Today in episode 179, I got with me two guests, and the title of the episode is actually Saving Children from Child Abuse and Surgical Mutilation and Chemical Castration. And today on the show, I'm gonna be joined by returning guests, both returning guests to the show. Jeff Younger, a father from Texas, and a five-time speaker at 21 Summit. And Penitent Paul, who was on the show recently about two weeks ago for the first time. He's a blogger who focuses on political issues and American history issues, both awesome guests. So welcome to the show, Mr. Jeff Younger and Mr. Paul, Penitent Paul from the right perspective. Welcome to both of you. Thanks. How you guys doing this brand new year on this new Saturday? Pretty well. I'm doing great, I'm ready to go. I got lots of stuff lined up. Good shit. So first things first, Jeff, you were just on Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson tonight on Thursday, which is to my knowledge, the most watched show in cable TV history. As regularly five million, six million, something crazy viewers. Right. So before we even get into further of the show, I actually wanna show that video. Okay. About a little bit over four minutes, so we're gonna actually watch that. We'll hold up now. Okay. The show has now declared itself a sanctuary state for adults who want to sexually mutilate their children in the name of gender ideology. One father in Texas called Jeff Younger now fears that his ex-wife is taking advantage of this deranged law law that we will all be ashamed of a generation from now. She's just moved to California with their nine year old son. She is convinced that the boy is actually a girl. You're a boy, right? No, I'm a girl. Who told you you're a girl? Mommy. Hmm. When did she tell you you were a girl? Because I love girls. Oh, I see. So mommy told you you were a girl? Uh-huh. Does mommy do anything else like with a girl with you? Mm-hmm. Like what? Like dresses. What did she do? She did. I didn't wanna be. She puts dresses on you? Oh, wow. Ah, that's just the saddest thing. That's a child. Well, Jeff Younger, the father of that boy, went to the Texas Supreme Court to try to protect his son. He wanted an order to prevent his ex-wife from having the boy sexually mutilated in the state of California, but the court rejected his petition in an eight to one vote. Shocking. Jeff Younger joins us tonight. Mr. Younger, thank you very much for coming on. Well, you watched that video and it just hurts. Yeah, I mean, it's the first iPhone video I ever took and, you know, my blood ran cold when I realized what she had planned for that boy. And, you know, it escalated to eventually she registered him to school as a girl. I had to shut that down. So the Capel School District began to secretly transition my son. I'd bring my son to school in boys' clothes and they'd give him a dress and make him use the girl's restroom. And it even escalated further where she began to present him to the world as a girl. I lived under temporary orders from a court where I wasn't even allowed to tell my son that he was a boy where I had to present him to the world as a girl. And, you know, his twin brother got completely confused by all this. We wound up going to a 2019 trial where the courts gave me 50-50 custody and joint conservative rights to check her ability to transition my son and the corrupt Democrat establishment in Dallas County transferred my case into the 301st District Court with Judge Mary Brown and she never implemented the trial with a jury verdict and as, through temporary orders, stripped me of all my parental rights and eventually allowed my ex to move to California right before, just a few days before, the sanctuary law in California went into effect. So, it's so upsetting. I mean, we're talking about destroying a child's life. Nine, you know, even last year people who were in favor who believed that you could change sexes by active will, even they would concede nine was too young. Now we're just completely off the rails. Did any adult in authority step up to help you and protect this nine-year-old boy? No, she started transitioning when he was two. She tried to enroll him in a gender clinic when he was five, the Genesis Clinic in Dallas, Texas. The pediatrician's records show that she intended to chemically castrate him at age eight or nine, his current age, and then he magically moves to California. You know, I don't think this is an accident. Absolutely no one in the state of Texas has stood up for me, except for Ken Paxton, the Texas Attorney General. I went to the legislature on two sessions, and by some quantitative measures, I generated more political power for a bill against transgender child abuse than for any bill in Texas history. Some offices were recording 300 lobbyists a day on my bills. We could not get that bill passed because the speaker of the house, Dade Feelin, blocked those bills from passage. So, the legislature did nothing. The governor did not mobilize the agencies to protect Texas children from these abusive procedures. Sterilization and chemical castration did nothing. I could not get the executive branch to move. I thought I would get relief in the appellate courts, in the judicial branch, and I go up to the Texas Supreme Court, and they determined absurdly that my wife is no more likely to transition my son in California under the sanctuary laws than she would in Texas. And absurdly, not even really reading Senate Bill 107, claims that we can enforce an injunction against her in California when a plain reading of the bill says that they will not enforce these adjunctions. They will not obey subpoenas. They will not obey extradition, and they will not return the children to me under any circumstances. At some point, all of these children will be adults, and they're gonna look at us, the adults who should have been protecting them. They will. With rage, yeah. But not you. You've done your best, and our heart goes out to you, for real, and your boy. Jeff Younger, thank you. Thank you, Tucker. There we go. That was Jeff on Tucker. Jeff, I think you did amazing. Like I told you, literally perfect, as perfect as possible in a way for such a short four, five minute interview like that. Super clear, super articulated, mostly non-emotional. You could tell, I mean, for something so personal, that's like really impressive, like stoic. So I think you nailed it. And I think if and when you run again for Texas House in 2024, I think you'll win. Based on that interview alone, and especially if Tucker has you back on closer to that date, which he should, and I hope that he does, because that'll be easily get you over that loser, Rhino opponent you had in the gut, in the primary. Yeah. Yeah, because I gotta tell you, man, my goal here is to hold all those justices that voted against Texas children and against my son in particular, to hold them accountable. I want bills of impeachment brought against them. I want them to have a trial in the state Senate, and I want them to explain their vote. And right now they don't have to do that, right? The only way I can get them to explain their vote is if they go into the Texas Senate on an impeachment trial. But we need to send a message to judges in the States that if they don't do the will to people, and if they don't uphold our customs and traditions, they're out of office, and they're gonna lose their retirement. A woman of that, hell yeah. You know, there was a, so the vote actually was eight to one by the Supreme Court of Texas. So there was one dissenter. Justice Divine voted for me. Justice Divine is a very solid man who understands the war that we're in and understands that the courts need to use power to support traditional ways of life and living. And he understands that very clearly. He's also a very principled jurist. He just simply finds in the law that these procedures are child abuse, prima facia child abuse. And the court, this is the thing about the family courts and family law. Family law gives courts unprecedented jurisdiction, you know, discretion. So they just have to rule in the best interest of the children. That's a wide discretion. So the Supreme Court had incredibly wide discretion and had a pathway to bring my sons back to Texas and protect them. They literally chose not to. And Justice Divine is well aware of what they did. It's just kind of amazing, independent of the radical evil and insane things that your ex-wife wants to do to James and is doing to James and all that. It's just amazing to even let her leave the state for any reason when their biological father is still there. Forget all the plans she has and the actions she has taken. Why are they even getting away from their father? They need you. They need to be around you. They need to see you. They need a father. They need a dad. They need a masculine example for how to be a man when they grow up. After I got out of that 2019 trial with a jury verdict and it had transparently corrupt proceeding, put me in the 301st District Court, transferred me to a new judge, that judge never implemented that verdict and through temporary order systematically stripped me of all parental rights. Yeah, bit by bit, right? Slowly, like one brick at a time. Yes. Let's actually look at the, so this is the opinion by the two of the justices who voted against you to send your child off to be mutilated in California. Paul, let's get your perspective. I know you read through this opinion by the Supreme Court of Texas. As an observer of what's happening to Jeff and in our country, what did you get make of this? Well, I mean, when I read it, obviously I'm not an expert on it or anything like that, but I was just kind of astounded by the fact that it all seemed predicated upon the assumption that she'll keep her word basically. That's what I got out of it. And the assumption that left us to honor the constitution, things of that nature, that when she gets there, she won't just change her mind. I understand from where the justice is arguing, okay? I get what he's saying, but it just seems completely separated from reality in my opinion. Because- Extremely naive, right? Yeah, he's basically saying, well, she acknowledges it's binding. Well, what happens when she doesn't anymore? Okay, I mean, she acknowledged that her son was her son at some point, right? And now she doesn't. So what happens then? What happens when she's in a state where he talks as if their activist judges don't exist? That's my problem with it. In California, in California. Yeah, of course, of all places, right? So that's what immediately struck me. I don't understand how this is even an issue at all. Like this should have been thrown out from the beginning. What she wants to do is in violation of natural law. It violates the laws of nature. So how's this even a court case to begin with in my opinion? It just shows you how far we strayed, completely strayed from the original principle. Yeah. I think Jeff Younger, you know, Jeff, I think you're at the epicenter of the collapse of the American empire if we're going to compare it to Rome. Like this is really crazy. I grew up in the 90s mostly as a kid. I was born in the late 80s. This never happened. This is the first time it's ever happened in American history as far as I know. Wife trying to chemically and surgically and all these things transition a transition, you know, mutilate of a young boy into a girl. This is crazy. And this never happened when I was growing up. I never would have. People would have been beyond, people would have been up on arms literally. And I don't mean their limbs are mean with firearms. This is crazy. Yes. I can't think of anything that represents like the moral collapse of this country more than what this guy's experiencing right now. I can't think of anything else. Yeah. And it's clear. I think that your comments on the opinion are exactly correct. However, I don't believe that they're naive. Okay. I think they're lying. I think the justices are lying. That one surprised me. They absolutely know what the risks are and they know what these judges are gonna do. And they want my son to be surgically mutilated in California. They want a precedent for all courts in the state of Texas to be able to transfer these cases to California. They wanted to do this. These are highly educated lawyers. They know exactly what they're doing. And even if they don't, you know what? They're experts in the law and we're entitled to assume that they do know what they're doing. Yeah, true. So that's the first thing. The second thing is the propaganda regime that Americans live under has completely pacified all resistance to these things. And that's something we don't often talk a lot about. This opinion is also a propaganda piece. And you can see that in one of the footnotes that the judge has, I believe it's on page six. The judge says, I am troubled that Mr. Younger didn't see his children. I noticed that, yeah. Now, why would it, it's not normal for a judge is maybe that's not it. There are two footnotes. I'll find it. I know. There it is, yeah, okay, page five. Judges don't put their personal opinions about litigants into Supreme Court opinions. That's not only unprecedented. I don't think that's ever happened in his opinion. Why would he inject his personal opinion about something like that? And the reason was this entire opinion is a propaganda piece. And it's designed to support policies that the governor of the state of Texas wants to pursue. He wants Texas to be neutral on these transgender laws. There are powerful money interests in Texas that want that. And his donors, his rich Northeastern liberal donors don't want him to get involved in the transgender issue. Now, most of these justices you may not know, but most of these justices actually work for the governor of Texas when he was attorney general. Wow. Almost all of them were appointed by the governor. So they are doing the governor's bidding here. And this was a propaganda piece for the future policies that the governor wants in the state of Texas. He wants children to be able to come and go to get transgender treatments. That's sick. So yeah, at minimum, they're acting in this way from a position of cowardice and corruption. Or stupidity. I mean, at least, I would say at least one of them has to be stupid. I mean, I know they made it pretty far in life being the Supreme Court Justice and in a big state like Texas. But one of my, one of my old speakers, Richard Nicolai has a saying, he's an old blogger, and he's been blogging for 25 years. I mean, literally since the 90s. And he says very often, you know, even in the 2000s as well as recently, Democrats are evil and Republicans are stupid. I mean, this is at least, at least when it comes to the generalization. Yes. Yeah, a good heuristic. And it's true, you know? And he also says that evil beats stupid almost every time. It does, 100%. Evil is coming. Yeah. And stupid is not. Stupid is his bumbling retards. That's right. That's right. At minimum, there's a profound level of naivety that your ex-wife is going to just, you know, obey everything from Texas when she doesn't have to, when she's in another state. She wants to leave the country too, as I understand it. So if California doesn't give her what she wants, then that's the next step. This woman is, this woman is evil, Jeff. Your ex-wife is going to stop, man. She's not gonna stop until this boy has been surgically mutilated. That's the bottom line. Yeah. The record clearly shows that and Supreme Court ignored it and allowed her to move on. That's something that got me about it, actually, if I can jump in. Sure. How much do you have? I'll break right quick. Sure. As I was telling you, I mean, the fact that she's dressing him like a girl and treating him like a girl, that shows clear intent, okay? So how is that not in any way actionable when, for example, all you have to do under red flag laws, for example, it takes even less than that to get somebody thrown in jail or at least caught up in a legal process of some sort, okay? Some kind of action taken. You just have to suspect that somebody's dangerous or fear that someone's dangerous. You don't have to show any intent to do any harm at all in that instance and it's actionable for some reason. But in this circumstance, she's shown clear intent that the ultimate objective is to turn this boy into a girl and that's not actionable. You can't assume anything based upon that from this ruling. At least that's the impression that I got. You know, something that comes to mind too when I asked Jeff and he gets back, so I'd like to know, you think about this. I don't think it's possible personally that this would happen if the roles were switched. If Jeff was trying to flee to Texas as a father to transition as son and the mother for some reason, you know, common sense basis would say, no, I want to keep him in Texas. I don't want my son being mutilated into a girl. It's not too surprising that it's happening in reverse given the insane way our culture has evolved. You know, women operate with impunity when they commit acts of evil and malice like this. In almost every case, or at least there's a high propensity for it. So anyway, do you think it's possible this would have happened in reverse? Like could a father get away with doing this stuff? I suppose anything is possible, if you want to put it that way, highly unlikely is my opinion, right? I mean, I think if the father absconded with the child, I mean, that would be seen as awful. She can abscond with the child to another state literally for the purpose of butchering him and it's no big deal. Yeah, it's just loud, you know? Yeah, I think to me it's like a symptom of the gynaocracy is what men's rights activists call it. Or really just like the matriarchy we live under that Jeff, sorry, go ahead. Let me interrupt you. Oh yeah, let me just make Jeff aware of what's going on. So I asked Paul this, Jeff, and I can know what you think too. So in my view, this would not, this would be almost impossible to happen if the roles were switched, three and your ex-wife. So Jeff, if you were trying to flee Texas to move to California to transition your son into a girl and she was like, no, no, no, I don't want that happening. I'm gonna go to the courts. They would have never let this happen because of her female privilege or whatever. So that, do you think it's possible it could ever happen in reverse or this is unique to the matriarchy we live under? It would only happen if the mother was found to be unfit. And that is virtually impossible virtually impossible to accomplish. I mean, mothers that sexually abuse their children don't get declared unfit in Texas. Okay, so it's virtually impossible. That's one of the reasons why if you see me on Twitter, I've been raising this issue of surrogacy as an alternative for me. And I even think that men need to think about, if you want to marry a woman and have children with her, have her sign the surrogacy agreement, let her be the surrogate. And then you have children with who you're gonna marry, but then you have all the rights to the children as the man. You have to find legal ways to take all the rights to the children because otherwise the courts are simply going to treat the children as though they belong to the mother and the mother solely. Yeah, I've seen you tweeting about this. And I think at least on a technical basis, you're correct that when a husband and wife of a child there's a lot of responsibilities that will be dumped on the man, but basically zero authority. And that's what you're experiencing. They'll give you the pretense of some legal rights. You can think about this exactly what Andrew Tate talks about, like that men are given all these responsibilities, why should they take them if they don't have the authority? Yeah, so they don't have to look for ways in the society now to take authority. And I do, I will say this biblical authority over their own children. Paul, did you wanna hop in with something a minute ago? Yeah, just something. So I find personally that a lot of people, they've heard of like, quote unquote transgender and things like that. And I go back to the abusive language that I've mentioned before, but they don't actually know anything about it or what it entails. And I think that's important as well. People need to really know what this procedure entails because I find that people are utterly ignorant of that. So just to give you an idea, if I were to stab myself in the leg and create a wound in my leg, okay, what would happen? What would happen with that wound? Your body knows the wound's not supposed to be there, right? So what does it wanna do? It wants to close the wound, correct? That's literally what these people are doing. You have a, I hate to call it doctor because I think it's butchery, but you have a doctor that goes in and creates a wound on the bottom of the pelvis or whatever up an individual. By chopping off healthy organs. Right, and they turn it inside out. That's another thing I wanna mention afterward if I remember. So they create this wound. Well, your body knows that's not supposed to be there as well. Your body knows that's a wound also. So what does it wanna do? It wants to heal it just like any other wound. It wants to close this wound, okay? So just to give you an idea of how utterly depraved this is. These people, once they have this procedure, they use something called dilators. And if you don't know anything about medicine, dilation means to expand in medicine, okay? So it's, they use dilators. What is a dilator? It's a dildo, all right? They literally screw the wound with a dildo to keep it from closing. That's how insane this is. And there's often serious, you know, issues and complications that occur from this, you know, this procedure, infections, like life-threatening issues. So just to give you an idea of how crazy this is, imagine that I stab myself in the leg and not only do I not allow the wound to heal, I screw the wound in my leg with a dildo, all right? Even worse than that, I want you to screw the wound in my leg with your penis. That's literally how crazy these people are and that's what they wanna do to this guy's son. I think people need to understand that. And you would never know that hearing the word transgender. You have no clue that that's what's actually happening here. Yeah, it's absolutely sick. Like it's not medicine. It's not even quack science. It's like the surgical mutilation of children. Everything that gets thrown against Nazi doctors from the 1930s and 40s, that's what this stuff is. It's super, super evil. Whatever went on in other countries too. I'm sure the Soviet Union did crazy shit too. I mean, this is crossing so many fucking boundaries for living in a sane and civilized society. Yeah, it's extremely bad. Like we were talking about earlier, Jeff, you're at the epicenter, I think, of the collapse of the American empire. That's people are outraged and Tucker Carlson, you're in the New York Post now too and this stuff and it's good, they should be really angry. But I think they're missing the bigger picture that what you're experiencing is terrible for you personally, but it's a symptom of a country that's free falling into collapse, morally, legally, politically, socially, culturally, across philosophically, like this is really sick to put it mildly, like I can't, this is evil at a really high level. Yeah, you know, I've often said that the United States is decadence and I mean that in the Latin sense of the word decadenced meaning out of step, you know, we have no unifying sense of morality. We have no unifying sense of history. We don't share a common culture and we pretty much never have, what's changed is this. We used to actually have federalism in this country so that it was never expected that people in Texas would live the same way as people in California or people in Maine. It was understood that these are different and distinct peoples. We used to use the word peoples, we didn't say American people, we said the American peoples, you know, you go back a hundred years, you'll see that they use plural, right? And the only peaceful way back to a union in this country is to assert radical federalism again and Texans are gonna have to accept the unpalatable fact for example, that in California they're gonna sexually mutilate children and California is gonna have to accept the fact that if you do that in Texas, we're gonna put a rope around your neck and hang it from a tree and we don't have to live under uniform laws. We don't have to live under uniform customs. We can have different ways of life and that is a peaceful way forward. But we have reached the point now where there is no room for compromise with one another. There's no room for negotiation. What the future is going to look like is a cold civil war. I talked about this at the 21 convention. It's a cold war because it's gonna be fought mainly with politics, at least for now. We fought in the political and social realm. It's a civil war because it's gonna be a contest over who's gonna rule. And there can only be one in the end. There'll only be one of us standing. And our side, our guys have got to understand that we need a politics of power, not a politics of consensus or conservation. The days of conserving things are over. There's nothing left to conserve. We need to restore things. And the politics of restoration require the overturning of the existing order and that requires power. And we have to get real about how political power is exercised because our opponents are extremely skillful at using political and social power against us. And the propaganda regime and the propaganda power that they have is extremely powerful. And our guys haven't even contemplated counter propaganda regimes to use against these people. They haven't even contemplated ways to counter their political influence even in conservative Republican politics. Republican primaries in Texas are completely controlled by Democrats. They determine who wins Republican primaries. I mean, they are incredibly skillful at using political power and our guys just are not. And we're gonna have to change that or it's gonna turn into a real war. Yeah. And I gotta tell you, before my sons are taken from me, I was definitely preparing them for that real war. Man have got to learn how to protect their societies and be prepared to do it. It requires both a mindset, a commitment, but it also requires a sense of belonging to a community that you care enough about the fight for. Yeah. I think the civil war issue in particular, I've talked about this with Paul a few weeks ago, but the last civil war we had was 150, something years ago, 160. In my view, it's not reasonable to expect that the United States never has a civil war again. We were founded on a civil war. We had one 80 something years later. And then what we're gonna, the country will exist for 500 more years and never have a civil war. This is not a reasonable conclusion to draw based on history. No. But the average person only thinks back like Paul was saying the other week, in their own lifetime. So I grew up, I was born in the 80s, other millennials were born in the 80s. That's kind of like the endpoint of what they look at for history, which is fucking retarded. Civilized history alone is 10, 12,000 years. I mean, holy shit. Well, even recent history, it turns out that large democratic republics like the United States pretty much only change their regime by revolution. I mean, France has basically institutionalized it. They've had four revolutions since the one they had right after the Revolutionary War in America. That's the official way they changed their government. They're on their fourth government now. And they recognize the validity of these revolts. So it turns out that, we're in this new enlightenment period, this modern period where there's all these democratic republics. It looks like that's the way democratic republics change their regime is by revolt. So you can absolutely expect that to happen. But I have to tell you, there's some reasons to be pessimistic too, because I never expected people in Texas, for example, would let the government shut down the churches. I really, honestly, I really didn't think they would do that. I never expected police officers to arrest children playing in parks, wholesale. I never expected people could be confined to their homes for committed no crimes, doing nothing wrong, and that the people would abide by it. So there's some reasons to be pessimistic. I mean, one of the things about the enemy propaganda is that it has pacified people on our side. It's extremely effective at pacifying us because it plays off of right-wing dispositions. We have a desire for social order. And we understand a necessity of a social order. And we're willing to make compromises to keep social order. The left isn't willing to do that. And so they can always inch us forward. And their propaganda is always defeating us in this way. Yeah. Yeah, Donald Trump, in my view, is one of the only political figures in recent American history who has in any way successfully combated this at a national or federal scale. That's it. I mean, he got Roe v. Wade done. I mean, and all people do is still bitch about him, unelectable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, the aggressive and offensive nature and the way he was combative still is with people. I love it. I mean, that to me, that style of politics is the only shot this country has at restoring itself to sanity peacefully. There's nothing short of that, in my view, that combative, aggressive, assertive nature that he uses to win. And that's, on a factual basis, it's the only thing that's gotten anything fucking done. Yeah, it was a conflict. And it's not just a matter of ironing out a political deal. It's an actual conflict. I mean, let's not forget. The military repeatedly disobeyed orders from President Trump. Yeah. We now know that they actually withheld the nuclear football from him. We know that he ordered troops out of Syria and they lied to him and didn't do it. Afghanistan too. Yes. So what we know now is that civilians are actually not in control of the military in this country. And that means they're probably not in control of the intelligence services in this country. And it means they're probably not in control of any independent agency in the government. And that includes the State Department. The President is not in control of the foreign policy in this country. So once you understand that, you can start thinking about how power is actually exercised and where the epicenter of evil really lies. Paul, I want to move to you for a minute. Let's take a step back historically here. What do you think the founding fathers and their generation of men, so you don't have to just limit it to the founding six that people are most familiar with? What do you think they would view Jeff's situation as what would their responses be intellectually, orally, if they were to give speeches on it or to take action? I mean, that's pretty difficult to say comprehensively. I mean, I don't think they could have even imagined what he's going through. This was something that would have been unimaginable at the time. As I told you before, you have Thomas Jefferson who was what's considered an actual classical liberal in this country, right? Well, he personally authored a bill punishing sodomy with castration. So you see the exact opposite. And I've been saying this for years. Like what we're seeing today, it's not just a difference of opinion. It's the inversion. It's the complete opposite of what we used to be. And you see this all the time in the leftist world view. I mean, it's not just different, guys. It's antithetical. Like things, I've pointed it out like this before, things that are virtues in Christianity, they're sins in Marxism, okay? And things that are virtues in Marxism are sins in Christianity. I mean, complete opposite. For example, sodomy is a sin in Christianity. It's a virtue in Marxism, all right? It's promoted, it's celebrated. A whoredom is a sin in Christianity. It's a virtue, you know, under Marxism. And you have example after example of that. Theft is a sin in Christianity. Covetism is a sin in Christianity. They're virtues in Marxism. Marxism literally is covetism as an ideology. It's an ideology of I want your shit and I'm not gonna find a way to redistribute it to myself. Okay, so something like this would have never even been broached back then, man. You'd have been thrown in jail and that's another thing I need to bring up as well. Because my entire adult life I've heard people, kind of obtusely they'll ask why, why do these people act this way today? Why are they always flaunting this behavior today? Well, because we used to throw them in jail and we don't anymore. That's why you dumb ass, okay? The reason this is happening today is because you don't have the will to do anything about it, you pussy. That's why. And I've gotten arguments about this shit for years and years, man. If you don't throw these people in jail, they will throw you in jail. How do you not understand it? That's the fucking reality of it. You can't be nice and have your decent society. Pick one, you have to have, it's the freedom, I'm sorry, it's the tyranny of decency or the tyranny of the gravity. Pick one, you're gonna have one or the other. Pick one. Hey, woman. I wanted to add that I think in the United States, one of our speakers was reviewing this, Coach Gregg, you could be thrown in jail for taking a woman on what would now be considered a date 80 to 100 years ago. If you were out with her at night somewhere or taking her across state lines, what would be considered a date today? Like let's say you live near the border of a state. If you took her on a date out and you guys were not married, you could go to jail for this. And now, of course, we have drifted so far from that that you can sell your pictures of your vagina on the internet for like $5 at 18 years old. And that's cool. Or go on Tinder dates and fuck seven guys off Tinder seven days in a row. That's cool. Never mind the title, we have a single mother is in the collapse of your country and $200 trillion in debt and unlimited oppression of men on a formal and systemic basis throughout all 50 states at both the state and federal level. Yeah, Scudger's going to hell in a ham basket. It sucks it. Let me ask a question real quick before I lose my train of thought here. In regard to Jeff, what was it they told you? I can't remember exactly what you said. I watched the video, but I forgot. Regarding, I believe you asked them why it's okay to chop off a healthy body part or something like that. And what was their answer? Yeah, so I asked you Hannah Olson Kennedy, which was one of my ex-lives experts at the 2019 trial. What is the medical justification for cutting healthy body parts off of children? And she said, well, if they're causing psychological distress, they're not healthy body parts. Okay, so. And because of that statement, they refused to put her out, they didn't put her on the stand. They paid $80,000 for her to show up. They didn't put her on the stand because if I put that in front of a Texas jury, it would have been over. Right, so psychologically distressing, right? Yeah. So what immediately bothers me about that is the precedent being set. So obviously, psychologically distressing is completely subjective. It's completely arbitrary, okay? So what happens when somebody decides that their heart is psychologically distressing? What's the different in substance? From some- There isn't any difference. There isn't any, exactly. But no one seems to realize that. And this is something I've been talking about for years actually. And this is going to find its way into medical curricula guys. It's going to happen. This is eventually shit if it's not happening already. It's eventually- I can tell you this, at UT Medical here in Dallas, Texas, it's being taught right now. Yeah, so as I told you before, Anthony, this is not the end. This is the beginning of our madness, all right? You're going to have doctors in the future who are literally taught that people can just arbitrarily believe anything basically. How do I describe it in the past? So what's the difference between, if someone can say that they're arbitrarily decide that they're male sexual reproductive organs or female reproductive organs, if they can just arbitrarily decide that, how is that any different than substance than me saying, well, my liver is my heart? What's the stop you from doing that with any other organ? You can arbitrarily decide, that's the problem. And people don't seem to understand- There's an interesting, and I made this argument in my 2019 trial. I tried to make it in the 301st district court where I'm at now, but she wouldn't let me make it. Look, there is something called body dysmorphia, all right? There are people who go, my right arm just doesn't feel like it belongs to me. And they have it cut off. Now they can't do that in the United States because surgeons can't ethically cut off healthy body parts for psychological reasons. Did you know that? I did not know that. They cannot do that. They have to go out of country to get that arm cut off that's causing them psychological distress. They have carved out a special exception for sexual body parts and just called it gender dysphoria. Well, it's a special exception for- But it's just a species of body dysmorphia which surgeons are not allowed to address. So it shows you that the psychosexual program of the cultural Marxists is the preeminent power in this country right now. It can overturn the rules of the American Medical Association. It can overturn the rules of the pediatric associations, all of the state psychology associations. It has that power. Now you mentioned something else about the tyranny. You're gonna live under either a tyranny of decency or a tyranny of degeneracy. And that's why I call myself a straight up authoritarian because there are always gonna be authorities. I don't care if it's a democracy, a democratic republic, a constitutional republic. I don't care what form of government it is, there will be authorities. All that really matters is the moral status of the authority. The form of government isn't that important actually. The moral status of the authority is all we should be concerned with. And currently the moral status of our authorities is totally degenerate. The founding father spoke on this too, right? I don't know the exact quote, but maybe Paul does, but even the best form of government is useless with a morally depraved people. Like what is the point? It's a structure and logistics. They work. If the culture is filled with shitheads, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? I mean, no constitution as I believe it was, Samuel Adams said is gonna preserve the liberties of the people that are universally debauched. If the people are corrupted and immoral, you could create the best document in the world. It's not gonna do damn bit of good if the people reading it are intellectually dishonest and revise and reinterpret everything it says, which is what leftists do as a practice. All leftists do this, cause they're all relativists, so. Well, and then you got guys like Kavanaugh supposedly a right wing conservative justice on the US Supreme Court. Who finds that the word sex in the 1964 title four act, prohibiting discrimination against women on the basis of sex, includes transgender somehow. That's crazy. And it includes sodomy somehow. Somehow that includes sodomy. Isn't he a devout Catholic, Kavanaugh? Yes, it's fairly not. Yeah, so much for that. Yeah, it's such a mess, man. I mean, it's so disgusting to even, even as an observer, it's not even having to me, I can only imagine that the emotional experience and the rollercoaster, this has been for you, Jeff, and continues to be. I mean, your sons are only nine, these twin boys, and they're still in the middle of this, like, this trans rollercoaster across state lines and new laws and sanctuary bullshit and the collapsing American empire that they're not even aware of yet. They couldn't even understand at that age. It's horrifying. I mean, the comments have been awesome in support on the channel. In support on the channel we've seen for your videos, but, and, you know, nationwide, a lot of Americans really support you. Yeah, but I appreciate that. I probably couldn't keep going without that support, mainly the moral support. I mean, that's the most important thing and knowing that the people are with me is super helpful. You know, I'm basically in the position of a Soviet, you know, dissident who's being tied to a chair and forced to watch his child be sexually abused. And that's what the state is doing to me. And every institution of the state has been weaponized against me. And all three branches of government in the federal and the state level, all the professional bodies, the AMA, the Texas Psychological Association, the Texas Medical Association, Texas Psychiatric Association, the Intercom Society, they've all been weaponized against me. They've actually put out press releases about me. Wow. Okay, so the entire apparatus of the government has turned against me. The organs of propaganda in the mainstream media have turned against me personally, right? And it shows you that, you know, look, I'm just a dude, I'm a farm boy from Texas and I'm a father, right? Like it just shows you how scary it is for them when somebody won't show it up, shut up. When somebody isn't afraid of having their reputation smeared. So when somebody just doesn't care about the propaganda power they can issue, you become a real threat to them. But it is instructive to know, you know, Machiavelli said, you know, people fake their friends, but they don't fake enemies. You know, if you know who hates somebody, you can determine whether you can trust them or not. If the right people hate them, they're probably a good guy. That's actually how I started supporting Trump. I really didn't trust him until the hate hit the tipping point for me. Same here. So, you know, if you look at, you can see that the government is deeply, deeply committed to the transgender movement, deeply committed to it. And to the point where they're just willing to abrogate all parental rights. And you have to think about that as a man. You know, 21 convention, we talk to young men. You need to take steps to protect your posterity or it can happen to you. And it's gonna happen to a lot of men. Believe me. I know thousands of men have contacted me. So this is going on in all the states. I'm just one of the ones crazy enough to talk about it in my life. Yeah, to violate a gag order. I mean, you're always breaking the law when you talk about these issues. I mean, not on a constitutional basis. I mean, you're a hundred percent right. And illegal laws to me are not laws. They're garbage. So I think you're actually, you're following the law and you're supporting your oath that you've made to the Texas and federal constitution. These judges are not. Do you like Judge Bloody Mary Brown, for example? Fucking piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, she got reelected in a transparently corrupt election. You know that in Dallas County, they decertified over one third of the votes in her election? Wow. They had to take a third of the votes out of the ballot boxes in order to get her elected. But that's what they did. They decertified a third of the votes. Wow. You know, the experience of, well, the observation I'm making of your experience, what's going on with your son and all this stuff has actually got me to the point where I'm starting to contemplate if we need to not only abolish feminism, but bring back, I think the word is coverture, where women are literally owned by their husbands, which was normal in, you know, the colonies in the early America and stuff, all of this. What's actually very equitable. A coverture was just basically the principle that if you have responsibility for something, then you have rights over it. So where women had responsibilities, they were given the rights. And where men had responsibilities, they were given the rights. And that's how, that's basically how it worked. Yeah. Like for example, with regard to property, men were responsible for defending the property and would be punished for crimes that occurred on the property, not the women. So men were given rights over the property. A lot of people don't know that when women got into debt and couldn't pay their debts, I mean, this went on until the 1950s, by the way. When women couldn't pay their debts, they find the nearest male relative and take the oldest one. So a woman's father or a woman's husband would be first culpable. If there was no husband, then the woman's father would be culpable and they'd just go down the line. And it was not uncommon for brothers to be imprisoned in debtor's prison for the debts of women. Holy shit. And so because men had responsibility for the debts that women would take out, they were given authority to determine what debts they could take on. People don't understand that. And what happened in the 50s and 60s is that women were given all the rights that men had, but the responsibilities that men had largely were not lifted. The responsibilities over women's debts were lifted, but none of the other responsibilities were lifted. So today we live in a society where men are basically expected to be 19th century gentlemen and women are expected to be 21st century feminists. And that's just not sustainable. Well, feminist is a kind term. I mean, really they're female Marxist revolutionaries, as Paul would say, and they're super crazy horrors and sluts and prostitutes at this point. I mean, it is, you have, you both of you're a little older than me, but I'm sure you're aware, there are a lot of college-age women who are literally digital strippers and digital prostitutes for real life, sugar babies. Like this is a brand new thing that has happened within the past 10 years. There are millions of 18, 19, 20, whatever y'all girls who are just engaging in prostitution and stuff every day on a daily basis. Like this is fucking bizarre. It's Sodom and Gomorrah stuff, right? It's from a Christian perspective. It's amazing to you when you realized the original sufferer just actually argued that giving women the right to vote would end prostitution. Wow. That was really one of the arguments. And today, they're horrors more than you've ever seen. I mean, literally selling, you know, they're ass farted jars and farts. I'm sorry, farts and jars. They're about water. There was an article about a woman doing shit like that. So they've never gone into prostitution more readily than they do now, but allegedly giving them the vote was gonna end all of that. Oh, it was gonna end the pay gap as well. I don't know if you knew that, but somehow still a century later, what are they complaining about? So. Yeah. Yeah, it's such a mess. I know that a lot has changed in America since its founding. I mean, even today we have like this mass influx of immigration that started in the 1960s or whatever it was. And this has done worse and worse since then. And that has interrupted the homogenous nature historically of the United States. But even with that, I just wonder if that's not even the biggest issue. It really is this male-female thing. I was reading yesterday on Twitter, there was this huge thread about how even with minorities who will vote like Democrat and stuff, the men are the ones who will much more readily vote for conservatives and stuff. Those don't, whether it's libertarian and conservative, whether it's black, Asian, Hispanic, blah, blah, blah. The men will go towards independence, towards responsibility. It's the women who are across every race, right? Every religious background, every race, across every state, economic, you know, but demographics, all this crap. All the college, no college, they vote fucking left. They're voting us into communism basically by giving women political power that I'm starting to think that they never deserved in the first place because Paul made a good point. I never saw this about women voting. Basically Paul's view is that women are physically incapable of defending their rights, therefore in any functional way, they don't really have them. They're just given to them by men. So they don't have these rights because they can't defend them at any point in any meaningful way. But we give them to them like a bunch of beta males. There's good historical reasons to believe that. You know, one of the complaints the suffragettes made was that black men got the vote before women. Well, the reason black men got the vote before women was because black men were subject to the draft and it was considered unjust to draft them without giving them the vote. The vote, the franchise has always been tied to the responsibility to protect the state. Women have no such responsibilities. And it was just a grant we gave them. There's a really good statistical study by John Lott, you know, who's done all the good gun studies out there. One of his first big papers was on suffrage. And he claims it's the only thing that explains the leftward tilt in American politics. Nothing else can explain the rapid shift in the 20th century to the left other than suffrage. Yeah, a woman of that. Fundamentally, you know, this is one of the reasons I love the book, Starship Troopers and why I really promoted it with my sons, right? In Starship Troopers, Highline envisions tries to envision a society in which the only people that get to make decisions are the people that are responsible for the outcomes of those decisions. So if you're not a combat veteran, you don't get to vote. You can't just be a support guide in the military either. You need to be a combat veteran or you just don't get to vote. So there's different levels of voting based on what responsibilities you were willing to assume in society. It's a society where they had flogging as a punishment. It's a society where public humiliation and ostracization was a vital part of maintaining social order. But this is something that we need to think about, like rights and responsibilities are concomitant, right? You have duties in society and rights are given to you to accomplish those duties. You need the ability to freely exercise your physical and mental capacities to accomplish those duties. So when we talk about duties or rights, they're really not separate things. But today we talk about rights as though they're these floating abstractions that my objective is friend who will love that phrase, floating abstraction. They're talking about like they're floating abstractions that they're just things that you get and there's no responsibilities tied to them. And we need to just stop that nonsense. And that's why usually I just completely given up the discourse of rights and all I talked about are duties. Because really when I say someone has a duty to do something, I'm saying they ought to have the right to accomplish the duty as well. Well, that's also how the founding fathers viewed voting. There wasn't such thing as voting rights back then voting as a duty like jury duty. Yeah, we don't talk, we talk about it. We don't think of jury as a duty. It's the actually the most, one of the most important rights you can exercise. It's the one place anywhere in our system where you can overrule every agency, every single person that you can overrule the president of the United States if you sit on a jury. The jury in an old location. It's the most powerful place you ever sit is on a jury. And people try to evade it all the time. It's absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. You should be going, I do this. I go down to my county and volunteer to be on juries. They don't have to call me. I go down and volunteer to be on juries. Do they let you go on now or not? Absolutely. Oh no, no. If you volunteer, don't buy you donuts and they're like grateful because they can't get people to get in and they need people to sit on juries. Wow. They love you if you come down and volunteer to be on a jury. They love you. But if the judge finds out you're in the jury and the application will fucking throw you off. Yeah, it's very simple. When the judge asks you these questions, do you believe that you can judge the law and so forth? All you do is what liberals do. You change the meanings of his words so that you don't have to say yes. And that's all. Just don't raise your hand. Yeah. Just stay quiet. Stay quiet. So Jeff, I wanna ask you now. The Texas Supreme Court has basically just thrown this to California. They don't wanna deal with it for any number of reasons, cowardice, stupidity, corruption, malice, ideology, who the fuck knows, all kinds of shit. Right. Do you have any legal options left at this point in the near future as she continues this parade of mutilating your son, your evil ex-wife? Yes, I'm looking at getting a transfer out of this court to a court in my county residence, which is a requirement of Texas statutes. My judge will not follow the law and do that. So I'll have to go up to the Fifth Appeals District, which is full of crazy leftist activist judges in Dallas County and they will not grant it to me. So I'll be back at the Supreme Court very soon seeking a change of venue into my home county. Once I get into my home county, I'm gonna make the argument that my children are not well protected in California and that they should come back to Texas under my temporary emergency custody. If the court grants that, I do not believe that my ex-wife will send the children back. She will hold them in California under the sanctuary law, at which time I will have to enter federal court and challenge the constitutionality of Senate Bill 107 in California on the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution. And then I'll have to litigate that up probably to the US Supreme Court. And by that time, my son should be about 15 or 16 years old. And the question will be fairly moot, but if they think I'm gonna stop, they're crazy. Hell yeah. I love your persistence with this is really inspiring. This is masculinity. It worked for those of you watching who are into like the red pill and you think you're fucking alpha male, D's hose ain't loyal. It's all fucking garbage. I like the alpha male stuff, but only in a authentic way. Jeff, you are, this is profoundly masculine what you're doing and you're to be commended on it, like on a moral basis, on a courage basis, just on a brass tacks or brass bones masculine basis. Most men don't have the balls to do this. They're scared. No, I appreciate it, man, but isn't this really just me fulfilling my duties as a father? But yeah, but that's masculinity. I'm really sick and tired. This one things I don't like about some of stuff in our movement. You know, don't talk to me about being alpha. Go be alpha, motherfucker. Alphas don't have to talk about being alphas. When I walk into a boxing gym, I don't talk about how fucking alpha tough I am, motherfucker. I get in the boxing ring and show them. And then we know who's tough guy in the fucking gym. All right, half the town is not me, unfortunately. But, you know, I mean, that's how we know. We don't know by what people say, you know? So, you know, I would just encourage people, you know, I've often said this about women. Like women talk a lot, but they don't communicate very much. Men talk very little, but communicate a lot, you know? And so the best thing to do is just shut your fucking mouth about being an alpha and get out there and be alpha. Go do some shit. Build. Show me what you fucking got. Go. I love using your speech, Jeff, from Patreon. I'll help you, bro. I'll help everybody. I don't give a shit. I'll help you. If you're on the team, I'll help you. But all this talking about shit has got to fucking stop. You know, the 21 convention, we should be coming in talking about our accomplishments. Yeah. Not talking about what mindset we got to have. Get your fucking mindset by going out and kicking somebody's ass. That's how you get a mindset, man. I'm tired of this shit. People talking about, you know, how to be alpha. Fuck that. Go do something, you know? So that's all I do, man. Honestly, man, every day I wake up, I think, how do I move myself 1% better than I was yesterday? Okay, that's all I do. Every fucking day. And everybody says, you're so alpha, Jeff, you're so alpha. Well, I'm just doing what my dad did. I'm doing, you know, you were talking about alpha. You talking about my granddad. My dad moved himself 5% better every fucking day. You know? So like, I mean, get out and do something. And it's like, you know, I really hate that we make a virtue of necessity. I'm doing what any normal man would have done 50 years ago. I'm normal. Yes. This is normal. I'm not exceptional, super alpha material, man. I'm a normal man. This is what a normal man looks like that hasn't been neutered by estrogen. You know what I'm saying? Like we said, all we should do is for normal. Like go out and fucking do something. Well, then it did. I mean, so many badasses at 21 convention. Yeah. President Dream. I mean, I mean, so many badasses in the audience. And I go, why are these sons of bitches up here talking next year? You know, they didn't do anything over the year. They didn't need to tell us. Some make it to this stage, some. Go fucking do something and then give a presentation to us and tell us what you fucking did so we can learn from it. Jesus. So a couple of things. Your speech was our patriarch. No, it's okay, I love it. I love it. Your speech at Patriarch spoke to this. We just published it on 21 Studios and 21 University recently. The full thing, not to mention like clips and stuff. It was conquer and build. Secrets, secret knowledge will not save your civilization, do something. And I love that title, that the subtitle, both the title and the subtitle, the subtitle in particular is something I thought that the Manusphere guys and the Red Pill guys are really, really, really needed to hear. They just, a lot of them, it's not healthy. They need to get out of it. They need to move past it. Maybe it's like a youth thing and then they need to grow out of it and mature. They need to, knowing secret shit you think is super cool is fucking useless if you don't do anything with it. Knowledge without action to apply it is nothing. It's a floating abstraction. It's just shit in your head. What is it gonna do? You have to do something. You have to build. You have to conquer. You have to go out into the world. You have to at least try. You tried to run for state Congress and you didn't win yet, but you're gonna do it again. And you're probably gonna fucking win next time. Oh yes. And there was a accomplishment there. The governor of the state of Texas and the speaker of the house had to spend $2.2 million to keep my ass out of office and causing them a boatload of trouble. Yeah. Well, next time it's gonna be 4.4 million damn dollars to have to spend against me. Or there's gonna be. Next time it's gonna be 8.8 million dollars and there's gonna come a time when they don't have enough money and I'm gonna get in and guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna give them that boatload of trouble. I'm looking forward to it, man. I really love it. I think you can win in 2024 and I think you will win. I think you did good last time. You got close enough in the primary. And if you go through the primary, you're gonna win. Yeah. And I learned a lot about the propaganda techniques of our enemy and how they manipulate these primaries. So I already have built a propaganda plan. I need to talk to you about president during the private. A counter propaganda plan to address that. Yeah. I have some ideas too. I've been working on sending you and Michael Foster that I think you're gonna love. Yeah, more and more action. I'm trying to figure out how to use the mannispher to do and accomplish more things rather than just guys jerking each other off on YouTube about girls. Yeah. Yeah, we should be talking about our accomplishments and building each other up. That's what we should be doing. Yeah. It should be all focused on accomplishing things. That's one of the things I love about Michael Foster. He's doing stuff. Always, yeah. Very much so. He's doing stuff. He's doing good stuff. I have a lot of respect for him because of that. Paul, do you have anything you want to interject here? We've both been kind of going on a rant here. He got me going. Sorry about that. It's pretty hard to follow Jeff, honestly. He basically made most of my arguments already. Yeah. In the span of like five or 10 minutes or something. So, and he probably made them better than I would. I guess if I could change direction, I would say speaking about not doing something, one of the complaints I've had with the church my entire life is their lack of action in any capacity and they're pinching to construe doing nothing as a virtue. And the way I would describe that is, you'll constantly get things, while I'm praying for you, I'm praying for the, stop. Look, I'm not telling you not to pray, but don't just pray. I would get in arguments with people about this all the time. You can't pray away tyranny, all right? We didn't pray the Germans away. We didn't pray the British monarchy away. None of those things, they prayed, but that's not all that they did. I used to tell people this way, George Washington didn't cross the Delaware to pray for his enemies, all right? He went over there to shoot him on Christmas day. Like you've got to do something. And I think men in particular should view what Jeff is going through. They should view it in a personal context. People in this country have this pernicious mentality that well, if it doesn't affect me, it doesn't exist basically. By the time it affects you guys, it's too late, you're affected, all right? When it affects Jeff, you need to view that as imminently affecting you. That's how you need to see it. What's happening to this man will happen to you, eventually, if you don't stop it now. Or your friends or your brothers or your cousins or somebody, you fucking know, exactly. Whether it's divorce court or family court and all this stuff, the trans stuff, like Jeff's not the last person this will happen to, the last man. Oh no, oh no. You need to be doing everything you can. And then there's a lot of men who are not sleeping out about it, you know? Everybody's just like, it's very frustrating for me because so many people on the right, they just hide from it. They just wanna hide from it. And they're hoping they'll be the last one affected basically. That's their strategy. And I would get arguments with people on the right all the time. Like what's your strategy? They don't have a strategy, first of all. There is no strategy, all right? They're literally just waiting. No, the strategy is apologize too. Apologize, agree with them. Oh yeah, like it'll be okay. I would get arguments. You know, what are you planning to do? Let's say when the communists take over fully, what is your plan to live in an attic like Anne Frank? That's your plan? How did that work out for her? Mm-hmm. You know? And they don't, who's Anne Frank? I mean, like that's basically what you're gonna get when you talk to these people. They have no idea. You have to do something now, guys. You can't wait. And I'm not saying I'm a perfect role model on that example, but I'm at least willing to denounce it. And most people won't even do that. It's super frustrating. Yeah. This is why I love the manosphere even though it is far, far, far from perfect. I do think that it's the only space culturally available right now to push men to be more masculine authentically and to do things like take action and be a man, be a man in the way that maybe their grandfather was like you're saying, Jeff, my grandfather too. My grandfather, I'm pretty young, but my grandfather was a World War II vet. A lot of people- Yeah, those dudes, dude. Those dudes. But the maniscus- They can out-fight you, out-work you, out-think you right into the 70s now. Yeah. But I think the manosphere is just the one place where this kind of discussion is even happening. Men need to be men. They need to be masculine. Whether you think it's biblical masculinity, traditional masculinity, old school masculinity, I like calling it common sense masculinity. Yeah. And I think American masculinity is a good thing too. We need to actually build kind of a cultural tradition that or restore it to what it was. I think American masculinity is something a lot of people can get behind. A lot of men. Yeah, most definitely. It's common sense too. Most definitely. American masculinity is built off of the idea of the Yeoman farmer and the idea of all men being small businesses and entrepreneurs running their own little enterprises for the benefits of their family and their clients. But you touched on something super important, I think. Okay. You know, when they fuck with one of us, they're fucking with all of us. When they come and push Michael Foster around and fuck with his business because of his political views and his views on men, they're fucking with all of us, man. Yeah. And we should make it very clear that fucking with one of us is bad. Fucking with all of us is insane. Yeah. We need to stand together. We need to start adopting that attitude of a coalition or a clan because that's actually how you get social change. The fundamental organization of type for men is the clan. You know, it might call it the gang or the mafia or whatever you want to call it. It's an action-based, loosely cooperating groups. And they all recognize that if one of them can be taken down, all of them can. So they're not going to even let one be touched. Can't even touch us. Can't even look crazy at us, okay? We'll fuck you up. Almost like how union is supposed to work for workers, right? Yes, you know, as you know, I'm a free market guy but I'm also pro-unit. I don't see why workers can't organize for the men, but I think companies ought to be able to have collective labor contracts as well, right? I mean, why can't airlines share labor? You know? I mean, there's nothing wrong with this kind of stuff but we need to think like that big time. And again, that's action-oriented. Like the big deterrence is you fuck with him, you're fucking with 50 million of us. You know, it's going to hurt. It's going to fucking hurt you. Don't do it. You write that article, you know, you write that fucking article imputing one of our guys. It's going to fucking hurt. It's going to leave a mark, motherfucker. That's how we should think about it. So one of the things I have been thinking about, and I've spoken a little bit about this previously, so I'll just bring it up here. And I've talked to you about this, Jeff too, you know, one-on-one, I'm wondering if we should work to make the manosphere a single issues like political party. Maybe not a single issue, but like a very tightly focused issues political party that then pushes Republicans and conservatives to take this stuff more seriously, which they are already a little bit. There are some senators like Josh Hawley and some congressmen and stuff. I met Matt Gaetz in Texas actually. I definitely think there's room, not room, but actually a demand, a social demand for what I would call a man-pack. Yeah, that's funny, a man-pack. You got it? It's a different pack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man-pack, you know, and the man-pack would give out campaign donations, which is how you get influence. The man-pack would influence media. It would have, if you look at how CPAC works, why can't we have a man-pack? Yeah. And CPAC, the event, reading it. We know a lot of managed big events like that and get that stuff going, president, we don't invite those special expertise around that. Let me call corporate. Yeah, okay. This is corporate, hello. Well, I'll tell you this, I know how to do the fundraising for it on the political side. So that's something we should talk about, making a man-pack. Yeah, I think this is a good idea. I think it's a good idea. Because there's tons of feminist packs, why can't there be a man-pack? Exactly. Now, also, I want to bring, come back to the church question about prayer. Go ahead, you two, go ahead. I don't need the church stuff. These Christians today drive me crazy, man. Like, the purpose of prayer isn't to tell God what to do. The purpose of prayer is to reform your dumb ass, right? Prayer reforms you, so that you can go act rightly in the world. But there has to be a synergy between faith and works, between prayer and action, right? So you have to do both. You have to pray and work, you know? It's the whole purpose of prayer is to reform you so that you will do work. It's to change you and reform you, not to tell God what to do. Everybody thinks prayer is to tell God what to do. Now, God, please save me from this. Well, you know, this is a fallen world with people who have free will. God gave them free will, they can hurt you, right? What you should be praying is what David prayed for. He prayed for deliverance, but he prayed for the wisdom to know how to get out of these troubles, right? Pray for reform and seek it by action. This reminds me that I think it's a Christian saying, God helps those who help themselves. So those who take action, basically. That's right. And maybe my personal philosophy is that, for me, prayer is something you utilize in regard to things that are out of your control, not those things that are in your control. And I would get in arguments with other Christians about this all the time. And one of the ways I try to convey this to them, let's say you take your kid to the pool, okay? And for whatever reason, your kid ends up drowning at the pool. And I'm the lifeguard. You come running to me and you're saying, my kid's drowning, you gotta save him. And I stop and say, let's pray about it, right? And then when that's not sufficient, you don't want me to wait for prayer to be the solution. You keep urging me to take action. Well, my next response is, well, don't worry. Jesus will be back any minute. He'll take care of this. I mean, that's what it's like talking. It is what it's like. To these Christians now. Yes it is. There's any excuse not to do a damn thing about anything. And they use it as a false virtue. They make a virtue out of apathy by construing it to be prayer. Well, yeah, it's a good thing that I'm doing nothing about evil. I'm praying about it. And I'm so fed up with that shit, man. I've been fed up with it my entire adult life. I've never gotten along with other Christians because of things like this. And you can't reason with them at all in that regard. Again, they have no strategy for dealing with anything. You can't even talk about it. You can't even broach it. When I would broach, I will never forget the look of shock on a pastor's face. When I told him the solution to our problems is a militant Christian movement. Literally, militant in every sense of the word and the terror in his eyes when I said that. All right, and I was basically uninvited from all the future events and things like that. So that's just my perspective on those things. It shouldn't be controversial, man. That's how we got a country. Okay, but it's controversial now because they're all weenies. They're all weenies now. They don't want to be told that. I would go to church and it's like they're even the pastor. They're all looking back over their shoulder at their wives for approval, you know? What can I preach today? I don't want it to offend my wife. If that's the situation you're in, you're a eunuch. I don't know what to tell you. Well, for a lot of them, their real God is not Jesus or the father. It's women. It's a woman kind. It's their wife. Their wife really is the ultimate authority in their life, not God or anyone else. That's sick. I'm not even a eunuch, I just think it's crazy. For example, we don't let women even go into the sanctuary. Women can't go into the sanctuary. Only men can go into the sanctuary. We don't give the choice about what to preach on. We have a church Bible reading schedule and they got to read all those verses they don't like. They got to preach on the theology of death. They got to tell women at certain points of the year they have to be obedient to their husbands, even they may not like to preach on that. We don't give them choice. They have to, for that very reason. The demands, yeah. Yep, I've heard about Spreese will not marry a woman if she won't take the obedience vows. She has to read the Bible verses out loud to the whole church and then agree to abide by them or they won't marry it. I was raised Catholic, as you guys know probably, and none of this stuff was ever, ever, ever discussed in church and CCD classes, religious schooling. Oh yeah. All that stuff. Nothing about any of these topics, submission, obedience, even like premarital sex, any of this stuff, hell. I don't think any of these things were ever talked about in these Catholic churches I went to growing up. I went to several in my hometown, so it wasn't just one. The CCD classes were specific to a specific school, obviously, but none of the Catholics ever talked about any other grown up, none of it. You know, Marco Polo in the comments is making a comment that we know we're supposed to love our wives and protect them even against themselves. That's true. But that also implies that we have authority over them to do that. You know, I remember having this discussion before I got married to my ex-wife, I had to have sort of an interview with her mother. And her mother said, well, why are you so intent that she has to take the obedience vows? And I said, well, I could just give you an example just recently, we had gone to a baseball game and we were going back out to our car and there was a kind of weirdly suspicious situation on the way to the car. So when we went the long way around the parking lot, she didn't want to go that way. And she cut the way I told her not to go. And I wound up getting into a fight to protect her. And I said, when I'm married to her and I'm obligated to protect her, I get to tell her she can't go down there because it's gonna affect me. It's my responsibility to pull her ass out of that jam. So I get to tell her, no, you don't get to walk with you in a while. You know, I don't get to run out of this house when it catches fire. I got to make sure that you're an old lady. I got to make sure you get out first before I can leave. I got to check every room to make sure there's nobody in here before I'm even allowed to leave this burning house. I said, I have so many extra responsibilities that it's perfectly just for me to demand obedience. And that's what we're gonna have to come to here. You know, people talk about chivalry. Women want to chivalrous man, right? And I always point out that chivalry was a system that bound both parties, men and women. And I always ask women, well, what were women bound, what are the responsibilities of women under chivalry? And they always go, what, what? They have no idea, they haven't even thought about it. And it was very simple, it was two, chastity and obedience. And I always ask them, where will you find a chastity and obedience woman today? Yeah. You know, Jeff, you know, as you know, I went to CPAC several times, including in Texas. We had lunch one time in Florida. I've been to a couple of them. I've also gone to Turning Point USA events. And I don't go, I try not to go with the bad attitude or anything. I'm usually there kind of friends with, you know, with Eric and Melissa and stuff. I don't want to cause any problems for them. But what I do is I film interviews and trailers with the different people there. And what I did, particularly Turning Point, but also CPAC, because I went around asking these Christian girls who ran Christian booths for anti-abortion and stuff. And I would go up and I know what I'm doing, right? And causing it's, I think you would call it psychotic questioning. So I'm kind of baiting them into their own hypocrisy. Sure. And I asked them, you guys, a Christian organization, and it'll say clearly that they are like, oh yeah, we're Christian, college campuses for women, my cool. So, you know, as a Christian organization, do young Christian women who have sex before marriage, are they gonna go to hell? And they just, they immediately just start, they never answer, they never say nothing. Right. The answer is yes. One girl, one Catholic girl actually once said yes in Texas actually. There was one girl who gave me a straight answer and just fucking right to the point. Every other girl asked that shit too. They got, they went spastic. They started sputtering. Pointed, no, no, no. It tells you a lot about what they're doing though, doesn't it? You can assume a lot about that. Well, that they're whores and they're frauds. They're not, they're not Christians in any meaningful way. Because I just asked them, these are, I'm asking real calm, I'm not mean. I'm not even filming it most of the time, right? Because it's not like a gotcha thing. I guess you could do it like an Alec Stein move. But it's just, it's just hilarious to me, but also tragic that they can't ask these questions and they get so mad about it. The emotions that's immediately flare up like a demon coming out, the Jezebel spirit coming out of them. I bring it out, I'll make an exercise. I asked them about the biblical role of a woman if you think that pisses them off. Holy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have a law that I'm going to be fighting against in the next legislative session. It was also proposed to Florida, President Green, to begin to assess child support on a man from the moment of conception before the war. Yeah. So I keep walking around asking these feminist Republican women, you know, well, let me, That's not a human being yet, right? Yeah, let me, let me ask you a question. So it's legal for the mother to kill the baby. Yeah. But during the period when it's legal for the mother to kill the baby, you want the man to pay child support. I said, if you can kill the baby, can't the man abandon it? It's a total harm in the business. Total harm in the business. But what they want is when the baby's born, like for me, it would be about $26,000. I would have child support right when the baby's born. Yep. That's what they want. It's a big payout for women. It's, again, it's this whole concept where we're transferring responsibilities off women onto men, but not giving them any authority program. Well, I want to go out here. I have to pay child support when the woman, when the woman is pregnant, then I want to direct her eating habits. I want to control her physical activity. I want to say and everything she does as she gestates my son. Yep. Right? I won't be given that authority though. I'll just be made to pay. So that's a whole, one of the big concepts with modern law is it's all oriented toward transferring responsibilities off women onto men, but not giving them the authority to affect those responsibilities. Well, I think what, I think a articulate way to put it, a simple way to put it is it's slavery. This is modern, sophisticated slavery of men by women by weaponizing the legal, the family law system and other elements of state law and federal law and stuff. This is slavery. It's modern advanced slavery that takes, and I think one of the reasons it happens is it's not simple, it's complex. So there's multiple layers of how this happens with rights and responsibilities. And while this is not complicated for people with IQs over room temperature, a lot of people are fucking stupid and they're kind of like a dog or a cat. They can't really think beyond whatever's in front of them. And if it's not single layer, they just don't get it. We're like, ah, I don't get it. Paul? Yeah. Paul, I was just gonna say, the way I've described it for years is that modern women have all of the benefits of traditional gender roles, but none of the obligations. Yep. And conversely, men have all of the obligations of gender roles, but none of the benefits. So the situation you were just describing, in that situation, the woman basically has completely arbitrary power. Yes. I mean, she's an autocrat. She can literally decide whether a child is a child or not, if it's alive or not in that situation. Well, look, in Jeff's case, she can decide if her son, who was born a biological male, Jeff has a son named James, not some Luna bullshit. She can decide whether that son remains a boy or it transitions into a fake girl. Your son, James, will never be a girl. You know that, Jeff. That's a fact of, that's a biological fact of reality. They cannot be changed. The courts are, every institution of the government is intent on giving her the power to decide whether he's a boy or a girl. Do you think this is, if we can expand the conversation for both of you, what is the relationship of what's happening to Jeff here with the situation with your son? It's relationship to the war on masculinity and feminism. Cause a lot of this is, as you probably know, Jeff, with trans statistics, a lot of it is heavily slanted towards converting young boys into girls. It happens the other way too. Little girls are getting their tits chopped off, double mastectomies at 14 years old. I mean, this stuff is also crazy, but a lot of it's happening to the young boys. It's like, it seems to be the next generation of the war on masculinity, like fourth generation anti-masculinity warfare or something like this. You guys have comments on that? Well, we can say that the social influencers that are pushing each other to do this are almost all women. So young for males, it's mostly young boys and its mother's pushing it. For females, it usually happens in adolescence and it's older females in their social group pushing it, but it's always females pushing it. That's number one. Now I've gotten to a lot of disagreements with Turks, you know, trans exclusionary radical feminists. A lot of them support me, you know, on this transgender issue and we work together on this transgender issue because it's an area where we really agree. But, you know, they identify the locusts or the origin of this problem in the patriarchy, which I've just told them it's just absurd, right? It actually, this problem started with the feminist critique of gender. And the feminists have decided that social construction of gender, which I think gender is socially constructed. I agree with them on that. You learn how to be a man from your father. You don't just pop out of the womb knowing how to be a man. You pop out of the womb male, but you don't know how to fulfill your social responsibilities as a man. You don't know how to be a man. You learn that from your father. So in that sense, I agree with them that it's socially constructed. But what they have done is they have basically said that anything that's socially constructed is arbitrary, which is not true, right? These things that are socially constructed live on in our social traditions because they've worked over time. And in fact, the ones around manhood and motherhood and the family go back into prehistory and are the most enduring institutions in all cultures in the world, right? So the fact that something socially constructed doesn't make it arbitrary or changeable in any which way. And what they have done is said, well, it's socially constructed, then we can just do what we want. We don't have to do that. We can construct our own identities. And that was the basic feminist critique of gender. And they said that these social constructed gender identities were oppressing women. Well, actually, no, they were protecting women. There is no historical oppression of women. It doesn't exist in history anywhere. Anywhere you look, there's no historical oppression of women. All you have to do is compare men to women in antiquity and men always have it works. No matter what you look at, no matter what measure you choose. So the origin of all this problem is in the feminist critique of gender. And the feminist critique of gender is the origin of all feminism. And so feminism is the cause of the transgender problem. Well, I mean, social construct is just another way of saying everything's relative. I mean, all leftists are relativists. All feminists are leftists. So they're all relative. Well, hang on a second. Just to be clear though, if you're listening, most conservatives are also feminists today, especially the women. Sure, I mean, I would agree with that. So they would be relativists. Yeah, yeah. Well, because they're not really conservatives. They're actually neo-Marxist, whatever you wanna call it. But I'll never forget, man. Many years ago, I saw an episode of Oprah and she had a father on the show. The mother, the father had a son. The mother always wanted a daughter, okay? So she was encouraging the son to behave like a girl, you know, dressing him like a girl, putting makeup and things on the son, right? And Oprah is just shaming the shit out of this father for not accepting, you know, who the son is. I'll never forget it because it was abhorrent, you know? The father didn't want his wife doing this to their son. And Oprah siding with the mother, shaming the father. I find personally that women are almost the exclusive driving factor of all this degeneracy, okay? Because they're feminists, they want to destroy masculinity. They wanna extirpate it. And what I find personally, what I've observed is what typically happens is they drive the man out of their life. He can escape, he can leave, the child can't. So the child stays and they destroy the child because the man, he fled, he escaped the insanity and the evil, okay? So the child is stuck there and they abuse the child and destroy the child. That's what I've observed. Yeah? I mean, both of you made great points here. Jeff, in particular, you know, women have not been oppressed. This is a fucking historical fairytale that people tell themselves. I also liked how you brought up that basically my interpretation is that motherhood and fatherhood are very, very old and they have persisted throughout history as institutions in a way. Yes. That mean, I say that masculinity and femininity are basically the most fundamental and most ancient forces in our species and motherhood and fatherhood are right along there with that. Motherhood and fatherhood predate civilization by several hundred thousand years in my view of human history. It's not even close. Hey, Rusky's got a critique of me here. He says BS, nobody teaches a boy to like trucks. He's right. One of the biggest differences between men and women is that men have an orientation towards things and women have an orientation towards people. So I'm not claiming that all aspects of masculinity are socially constructed. I'm saying that things like fatherhood are a lot of it is socially constructed. And there is definitely a socially constructed component to it. The responsibilities for being a man differ widely by culture and the time that you're in. There are, however, commonalities in all times and cultures and probably those are rooted in biological differences. Yeah, you didn't make an exclusive claim. I was thinking about that, but I knew like you don't ignore biological reality and biological facts. No, no, no, no. No, the reason that there are different gender roles in every society is because of biology, right? I also think there's a theological reason. Because of what? Biology. Oh, you said biology, okay. Biology, yeah. It's the biological differences between men and women that create the differences in roles. I also think there's a theological reason. One of them would be just simply, most people just simply don't read the plain words of Genesis, you know, you ask women why was Adam punished? And they'll say because he didn't protect his wife and that's nowhere in the Bible. No, no, we're in the Bible. Adam was punished because he listened to his wife. He was supposed to ignore her. Hey, woman. Right? Yeah, listening to women's stupid, like it almost always blows up in your face. I just posted that the other day. Yeah, exactly. But let's make a point here that, you know, a huge chunk of the man is for lately because it keeps hitting mainstream and then there's this huge influx, almost like immigration of all these beta males and normies and shit. They're so fucking beta and so fucking naive that they'll tell you out of one side of their mouth, women are all lying horrors, don't trust any of them. And literally five minutes later, they go on YouTube and they'll listen to some red pill hoe, like pearly things. And they'll be like, oh my God, she's red pill. I love her. Let me give her money. Let me give her money, like a little beta male. And it's like, you are so stupid that you think listening to women is bad. And then five minutes later, you go do that and pay them. It's like, the shouldn't fray her. What is the fucking German term? So yeah, it's insane. Like the cognitive dissonance has to be like bigger than a house, but they don't get it. These guys are so many Americans, there's beta. You know what I'm saying? When you're talking about making a male pack earlier, that's something I wanted to say. I forgot. You have to establish your core principles on the outset and you can never compromise on them, okay? Don't make a big tent party. Don't start admitting anyone and everyone. And you're gonna see that immediately. You're gonna start having people urging you to admit like the women, for example, about what you're speaking. And that will be the downfall. That will start the downfall right there. That presidential decree. It'll be bigger and bigger. Like presidential decree, I've already excommunicated all women from the man's sphere. There are no women in the man's sphere. There's a few allies, Melissa Isaac, professor Janice Fimengo, these people, the flotum, obviously. But they're not actually part of the man's sphere. Like in any practical applied way, they can just be allies at best. And that's really rare. That's the exception that proves the rule that they're not part of the man's sphere. They don't belong here. And I call them conservative hoes, the ones that don't like red pill hoes, conservative skanks. They're all frauds. They're all just grifting off of gullible betas who are naive enough to believe that the pandering is real, right? Oh, women are such so bad. Give me money. Like these guys are fucking so gullible. And they beat up on me if you're calling it out. I'm like, yeah, well, good thing I love being hated. Well, our enemies are experts at subverting democratic, they run institutions. If your audience is interested, just search on the internet for a term, entryism. Entryism. It's an old Bolshevik technique. They have absolutely perfected it. They can take over any democratic, they run institution unless it has extraordinary safeguards in it. And even Churchill, you know, recognized this. You know, he said, any institution that is not explicitly right wing will become left wing over time, right? So you have to be explicitly masculinist. You can't let women on your board and so forth. You know, we have all kinds of Republican party organizations that don't let men on their board, all these Republican women's organizations, there's no men on their boards. Wow. You know, I don't see why we can't have a band pack. Yeah. I wanna add, Jeff, you mentioned something really important that if it's not explicitly right wing from Winston Churchill, you said it becomes left wing. Obviously in America, this has been the trend too and the shift, whether it's women causing it or whatever, or any number of factors. My view though is also that basically because of entropy, things drift towards chaos and disorder, which is leftism fundamentally and Marxism and feminism and all this stuff. So that's actually, this is one of the reasons why the conservative strategy of apologize and pray and don't do anything has failed. That's because entropy is constantly moving us towards chaos. So you have to overwhelm that entropic power, that's the right way to say it, with hard line stances with zero compromise on major issues, like you're saying. Yeah, to avoid entropy, you have to apply energy. Yes. It's the energy in the system that maintains its orderliness. And it has to be equal to or greater than the force being applied against it. That's right. Which is why I keep saying go do something. Yeah. I'm working on it, man. I'm always building, doing as much as I can. You do stuff all the time, yeah. I'm talking about our 21 attendees. The happiest 21 convention in my future is showing up where every attendee has a presentation on massive accomplishments. Well, at least the guys who attend are actually doing something in the first place by acting to get there. They are. They don't live with users. They would never get this message if they didn't attend. That's right. It's the guys on YouTube though, and the guys in the Manisphere digitally, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, these are the guys that are, honestly the attendees are the top 1% of the Manisphere. That's why they show up. Like they have them all. When I talk about secret knowledge, I'm talking about what those guys are peddling. Yeah, nifty sounding fucking bullshit. Actually there's a, I know it's not correct in Christianity, technically speaking to say it, but gnosisism with a G in front of it is a way that I've seen a fitness blogger put this once about the same set of issues that in the fitness world, it's the same thing. It's about trying to find secret knowledge and then not doing anything with it. And then they feel powerful. He pulled gnosisism as a term to cover this. But I don't think that's the historical way it would be used. No, but it's come to me in the modern world, the idea that you have some secret that you think is gonna give you the edge, and it doesn't. But that isn't actually what the Gnostics really thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna thank you, man. The purpose of all this diversity, inclusion, representation crap you see today is to do exactly what Jeff is describing. It's to infiltrate and subvert institutions, right? You can't subvert a thing if you don't have access to it, guys. So it's all meant to manipulate you into granting them access to things, right? Imagine it like a spy from a foreign country. I mean, they can't steal your secrets if they can't get into the country. Like if you won't let them pass the borders, or if you expel them once you catch them, they can't steal your secrets. Well, that's basically what it's designed to do is to get all of these organizations to willingly allow subversives into the organization at which point they basically take it over. They start demanding the implementation of Marxist principles and all those things from within. So every time you hear those terms, diversity, inclusion, representation, things like that, it's meant to get you to allow subversives into your organization so they can subvert it. So again, talking about a PAC, you're gonna immediately start seeing things like that. If you were to form a man PAC, you're gonna immediately start seeing, well, we need representation of women, or just something else, trying to get these people into the organization after which point they're going to strive to subvert it from within. That's a good one. Other ways to Sunday to subvert democratically run institutions. And a PAC by law has to be run by a board, which is by definition, democratically elected. Well, also though, I wanna add, not only do these things happen on purpose and through malice and just cleverness and all kinds of game playing and strategy, it's also what women do automatically and naturally. They wanna be like this warm, the ones who are not sadistic and fucking crazy like your ex-wife. They all wanna be like this hyper-inclusive stuff. That's why women want the barbarians like we have at the Southern border to come into the country. Like women are like, oh, let all the barbarians in, we gotta love them and blah, blah, blah. Who cares if they wanna kill us? It's also the purpose of like anti-discrimination laws and things like that too. They literally ban you from telling the difference between things. And the purpose of that is so you cannot label a subversive and expel them. If you're not even allowed to acknowledge that someone is different from you, you can't do anything about them. You see what I'm saying? So when that guy at Fort Hood, who was apparently a radical Islamic terrorist or someone who shot all those people at Fort Hood, there were people complaining about that guy well before he did that, okay? But you're not really allowed to do anything about it because you're not allowed to even acknowledge that that guy is different from you. You see what I'm saying? That's the purpose of those laws and no one seems to understand that. They've literally, it's thought control. They've banned telling the difference between things, which is a fundamental requirement of all rational thought, right? You do this all the time. You're constantly discriminating. It's the reason you're frankly still alive. Anyone's still alive, okay? But they're banning that so you can't get rid of these subversives, these hostile entities. Well, you can't, basically I've said in my speeches enough for a while that you control thinking by controlling language. So they're mentally enslaving people by controlling the language you can use on social media and public, these anti-discrimination things, exactly. And if you control someone's language, you control not only what they say, you control what they hear because they're controlling what other people say. And therefore you control, you have total control, it's slavery basically. It's mental sophisticated slavery. Well, they've conflated discrimination or racism. People today think that discrimination is racism. It's not. Discrimination is telling the difference between two things. To say that a blue truck is not a red truck is discrimination, okay? There's nothing wrong with that. To say that arsenic is not milk is discrimination. You have to discriminate all the time. To make sound judgments. Speaking personally, I only like chicks without dicks, period. Exactly. I'm very discriminatory in my sexual life. Historically, before I was engaged now, I did not like dating trans women on Tinder. And there's plenty of trans women on Tinder. And you know what? I don't like chicks with dicks. I like chicks without dicks. I like women with vaginas only. We gotta make women female again in this country. But it's hard to get people to understand that because they think discrimination or racism are the same thing now, okay? The problem is not that a blue truck is not a red truck. The problem is thinking that a blue truck is inherently superior to a red truck just because it's blue. Those are two very different things, but you can't get people to understand that anymore. That's true. Hey, Dalton asked what three things men could do to move society forward. And I thought I'd contribute three things. First of all, when the leftists give you commands through the propaganda system, just say no. When I've been told that, I've actually been told this, that I have to hire a woman. I go, no, I'm gonna hire the most qualified applicants. No, I'm not doing that. Now, learn how to say no when the leftist system gives you commands. You know, when I was asked to wear a mask, I just said, no, I'm not wearing a mask. No, thank you. Just learn to say no to leftist commands, which are all in our society. Second thing is to call out degeneracy when you see it. I saw a young woman in a coffee shop the other day wearing a shirt, a skirt so short I could see the crease for buttocks. And I told her she should be ashamed of herself for showing herself in public like that. She shouldn't whore around like that and that she's disrespecting her family and her father by doing that. And everybody in the coffee shop was shocked. Call out degeneracy. Transgender guy came in her coffee shop. I said, I want you to wear it near my children. I want you to move so my children can't see you. Right? You do not belong in the sight range of my children. Call out degeneracy when you see it. And then renormalize normalcy. Don't be afraid to be normal in places where people are not acting normally. You know, when I went to UNT and they had that big riot there because I just wanted to talk about my political campaign. You know, all I did was act normal in front of a bunch of communist nuts. Renormalize being normal by just being normal in places where they don't see that very often. That'd be my advice. A woman. Oh, sorry, wrong button. There we go. Somebody fucking buttons on, oh, damn it. We're good. Back to normal, back to normal. Oh, almost. All right, now it's good. It's not gonna break. Yeah, the first one, and what was the first one you just said that I wanted to add something to it, fuck? I'll think of it later. But I love the last one too, renormalizing normalcy. Normalcy. Oh, saying no. Yeah, that's what I wanted to comment. So guys, those of you watching, if you want to be super attractive, alpha mode a woman, just tell them no, like all the time. As often as you can. Even if you don't want to say no, just say no anyway. Even if it's not even relevant, just say no, no, no, no, no, not doing it, no, zero. And they get wet. I mean, women love it. Nothing will make a woman more attractive to you than telling her no. So not only is it good for your culture, it's good for your dating life. It's good for your relationships if you're in a relationship with a woman. It's no, like fucking all the time. You can always change your mind later if you want, but no is like the starting point. The starting point of masculinity is saying no to bullshit in the world, the things that would hurt you, to hurt your country, hurt your family, all these things. That's what Jeff's doing. I mean, your whole thing with your son, Jeff, is you're saying no as many times as possible. Yeah, no, no, no, you can't do this. Yeah. I'll give you an example with my sons of normalizing normalcy. I went to Target, which as you know, is a very leftist company. And they even have transgender people working at the Target near me. We went in there with my sons, I've raised my sons with what I call rugby rules. So any punch, kick, or hit below the collar bone is legal in my house. And you don't get to ever come to me and complain about it. You have to figure out how not to get hit. That's your job, not my job. I told them when they turned 15, hits above the collar bone will be legal too. So eventually you're gonna have to learn how to not get hit above the collar bone. So my kids were in Target and they had those big open spaces, you know, on those aisles. And so my sons start trying to gut punch each other using boxing techniques, right? Jude landed a real solid hit to James's lower ribs and then James started a heart punching him to keep him out. They were just laughing their ass off and having a blast. Dude, these people freaked out in Target. They freaked out. My manager came over everything and I'm like, hey, I don't have a problem with my kids hitting each other. It's all good. They're learning to be men, going to be tough. Look at them, they're having fun. They're laughing. This isn't a fight. They're playing a game. And they just didn't know what to do. But I'm just like renormalizing the fact that, hey, you know what, boys roughhouse. Yeah, that's normal. And if boys aren't roughhousing, that shit's abnormal. Something's wrong with boys that don't roughhouse. And I'm like, I'm taking that into the public and I'm renormalizing that shit. Boys can roughhouse in public anytime they want. Yeah, I love it. That's a perfect example too. Yeah, when I grew up, that was what's normal. You know, we grew up fucking around and stuff, fighting, whatever. I mean, yeah, I mean, if you might break some furniture, they'd tell you to go outside, right? You know, when you lose the appropriate clothes. I think there's a documentary called Maybe It's Fight Church. I don't remember. Many years ago, it came out. And it's about some Christian guys who basically engaged in MMA and stuff and were maybe teaching in the church or something as well. And I remember at the time, it's one of those instances I stood apart from the rest of the people in the church because I didn't have a problem with it. But I remember other guys in the church being horrified that any Christian would be teaching someone else violence or something like that, you know? And I was like, what a prime example of how castrated the modern church is. I mean, there's no fight. Do they even know who David is, for God's sakes? Do they even know what the Maccabees are? What the Maccabees did? They don't know anything about that, Jeff. I mean, unfortunately, they're no different, I find, from the rest of society in that they don't really know anything about history. They don't know how their own religion came to be. All right? Christianity didn't become a global religion through prayer. It's because Constantine defeated a pagan in battle. That's how Christianity became a global religion that it is. You'll never know that talking to them. They think some guy just went in a corner and prayed it all into existence. Okay? And it's psychotic. I hate to say that, but that's what you're dealing with. And the way they believe those things or the reason they believe those things is because they've been taught by the left to be compliant. All of this crap comes from the left. The left is constantly encouraging Christians to be weenies and compliant and to just submit because obviously it's much easier to conquer an enemy that doesn't fight back. Yeah. Yeah, it's pacifism. It's religious pacifism and cultural pacifism. Never fight back. Never defend yourself. Apologize for everything. Obey women, worship women. Never mind obeying your God. Obey women. Look, there's a reason the icons of most of the saints in Orthodoxy, they're wearing swords. There's a reason for that. There's a reason why whenever the archangels are depicted, they have weapons, either a spear or a sword. I didn't know Orthodoxy. There's extra reason for this. Orthodox have their own saints, like Catholic have saints? Oh yes, yeah. And they're different than the Catholic saints. They're the same up to 1056 when the Roman Catholics broke out from us. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, as a Catholic, it raises a Catholic, you know, I didn't know anything about Orthodox Christianity. Yeah, even, there were not even any churches probably in our town that I'm aware of for that. But even the Baptists and stuff, my mom would be like, oh, there's weird Baptists, they're all weirdos. But yeah. Yeah. That's how all non-Catholics reviewed weirdos. Got it. Catholics kind of have, I don't know this for a fact, but in my experience, Catholics even today still, they have like this kind of arrogance to their version of Christianity. And I don't, I'm sure obviously every denomination Christianity thinks theirs is the one true church, the one, the right one. But I don't get this from Protestants, usually Orthodox Christians. You're not the only Orthodox Christian. I've known either, Jeff. I've known another one growing up or a couple of years ago. Yeah. It was Greek Orthodox. I don't know how that's different. You're Eastern Orthodox, right? Well, Orthodox is just Orthodox. What Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox just refers to cultural practices. Okay. So, you know, the Russians use, they use red eggs to celebrate Christmas. The Greeks use a certain flower that blooms during that period in Greece, that kind of stuff. And it represents the language, the liturgy should be, we believe liturgy should be said in the language of the people, not in some sacred language nobody speaks. So it also represents the language, you know, that's all that stuff means. But the theology is the same. The church counters the same. We're all saying, we're all reading the same Bible verse every day, exactly the same way across the world. I had a question, by the way, Jeff. Last time when I had Paul on, we were just kind of talking about earlier, early American history. And he brought up to me how Catholics were not trusted in early American history. And they would have to kind of, they would have to kind of petition George Washington and others to, well, yeah. Anyway, they just weren't trusted because they were actually basically exiled in Rhode Island. That's how Rhode Island became kind of like the Roman Catholic colony. Yeah, I mean, that's where the College of William and Mary is for that reason. It's the only one they would allow. Yeah, definitely because of the, the Puritans were very suspicious of Potpourri. Okay. And the many of the enemies, you know, the Spaniards, for example, that were attempting to take land in the southern part of the United States, you know, were Catholics. And so there were also political problems there. But it all really stems back to an earlier problem between the Pope attempting to exert power with the divine right of kings and the Holy Roman emperor trying to assert the power of the small German republics. And there's a political conflict there that actually ultimately led to the Reformation actually, is what that conflict came to. Charlemagne kind of established a military presence in favor of the Pope and the Holy Roman emperor for the German city-states. And that conflict fought out for centuries. My question though, specifically, it was gonna be, how were Orthodox Christians viewed in early America? I'm sure there were not that many, I would think. There weren't that many. In fact, most of them actually came to America on the other side of the planet. Through Alaska. So the earliest American saint is St. Hermann of Alaska actually. And he was a Russian Orthodox monk who went to Alaska and preached among the Inuit and lived among the Inuit. And there's a monastery, a St. Hermann monastery and there are many, many Orthodox churches in Alaska, many Orthodox churches. And also St. John of Shanghai, who is famous for saving many Christians during the Boxer Rebellion later in American history. He's got a cathedral in San Francisco of all places. Yeah. Those are the two most well-known saints, but they mainly happened on the other side. So Orthodoxy encountered colonial Americanism during the Westward extension. Interesting. Yeah. All right, then we're gonna start winding it on today's episode. This has been pretty awesome of both of you. Any kind of closing words from either of you on what happened with Jeff? I mean, obviously you're speaking kind of firsthand with that, Jeff. But Paul, if you have any closing thoughts on what we've seen with Jeff and the deportation or theft of his son out of Texas to California for all these trans issues? You know, that's a pretty difficult thing to address. I would just encourage men, again, to view this as a personal issue, even though it doesn't affect you personally. Again, by the time it does affect you personally, it's too late to do anything about it. When you see another man affected in this capacity, you need to take notice of that and you need to do whatever you can to assist him. Be proactive about these things, guys. Don't wait for them to show up on your doorstep. This is a pernicious problem in this country and my problem. We've got to be way more proactive in dealing with these things. It has to become fashionable, again, for men to be proactive and to take action, to do things about evils that they see in society. Your role is not to be submissive. Your role is not to just be a spectator. I guess that's all I have to say about that. Jeff? Well, look, if you want to have a family, then you have to take an interest in family law because family law in the United States is destroying your capacity to have children and to be secure in your posterity as a father. You have to take an interest in this and that means that you are going to have to get active and change the laws in your state. You need to outlaw transgender child abuse. You need to change the child support system so that it takes into account the income of both parties and the amount of time spent. For there are men who have their children full-time that still pay child support to the mother who doesn't have the kids, that can't be allowed. We need to reduce the economic incentives for women to leave marriages. Most, the vast majority of divorces are filed by women and they're leaving perfectly decent men. No abuse or neglect is even alleged. You need to reduce the economic incentives for women to leave marriages. And we also need to disempower the feminist forces that are culturally emasculating men at work in other places. So there's a lot of work for you to do to protect your posterity. If you want a family, that's the fight you have to enter. You're turning off the football game. You're turning off the football game. None of that grill and chill bullshit. Michael Foster talks about that. Yeah, be active. All right, I thank both of you for your time today. Jeff, you know, God bless your fight. It's going to keep going, it looks like, and wish you the best. I know a lot of the fans feel that way too, man, they're in the comments all the time. Every day I see it on the channel. So, Paul, thanks for your time. Thank you. Everyone else watching? Good luck, Jeff. Yeah, I'll see you, but let's, we could stay behind the scenes. Those of you watching, I'll see you probably next week on Saturday, 11 a.m., on the Redman Group, on 21 Studios. Check out the links in the description. You'll find links to Jeff's Twitter. He has a new Twitter account and I'll put Paul's channel there too. He's on YouTube. His hit 1,000 subs, his first thousand, so go subscribe. Check it out for awesome community posts and videos. Take care. Thank both of you. Thank you.