 All right, so we're now recording. Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 20th anniversary Wikimedia celebration, the 20th birthday of English Wikipedia, and by default the birthday party of the Wikimedia movement. 20 years ago, it was begun. The Australian community is one of the most has punched above its weight since the very beginning, and Wikimedia Australia is the first, is the oldest English language country that has a chapter. The UK chapter existed first, but then it closed and then reopened as a different business name. So we're actually there. We're the longest standing English language chapter. We'll start this with a little video from Ingrid coming. She sent in and then had other two to Gangara for a bit of a welcome to country. So I'll just see if I can get this to work. All right, that was a little video from Ingrid. Gideon, did you want to to say something and welcome us to the show? Okay, I'd just like to welcome everyone to the 20th birthday. And in kind of the tradition of the Indigenous Australians, the oldest people, we should really pay our respects to the countries on which we were, and also our respect to the Wikipedians who have moved on to other things, those that are around at the moment, those that will come in the future. Okay, back to you, Gideon. Thanks, Gideon. It's very kind and also it is important today and in general, but today to remember people who have been our friends in the Wikiverse and are no longer either active in the Wikiverse or are no longer with us in general. I speak particularly of Craig Franklin in the Australian community, but there are obviously others. I don't wish to try and make a comprehensive list because that would definitely forget people. But yeah, as any group that's been around for 20 years, there are people who have come and gone, so now is a good time to remember those who aren't anymore. The next thing on the agenda is a few minutes long, a five minute video from, well, I think five minute video from Catherine Ma, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation. And I will share that video now and I'll mute you all as well to stop looped audio. Happy birthday. Happy 20 years of Wikipedia. I am so excited to be here. Oh, well, isn't that lovely? It's a very nice little message from Catherine. I'd like to invite you to the stage to discuss some of the early Australian New New Zealand content that you've found or uncovered in your research. Prue, are you there? Excellent. I am now unmuted. Sorry, that's just boring and classic, isn't it? Would be really great to try and get Gideon's slides on now. So what I'm going to do is I'll show you the version that's been downscale. Okay. But we've also got a little bit of a quiz. So you can all get your thinking caps on and we'll see who knows what they know already before we start this. And so what you do, the way this is going to work is you find the public chat and you'll be able to put your answer in there as soon as you know it. So this is going to start getting into screen sharing. Let's see how that goes. Hopefully everyone can access the public chat. If you'd like to test that by sticking in the location, where are you coming from today? Where are you joining us from? Oh, wow. That's good. Okay, let's see. Liam, can you tell me if you can see that? I can. I can indeed. Right. Excellent. Okay. So here we go. So we're going to go quickly because you don't need to. I know you're all fantastic researchers. Oh, and here we are. Here comes we might, this is a test one, okay? Because the answer has been left on the screen. So the surname of the Wikimedia Foundation's executive director rhymes with and you'll all put what letter in. And there are citations available for each of these, but I won't bother sharing those with you now. Isn't the citation for that first one, her Twitter biography? Yes, well done. Oh, well, there we go. So perhaps everyone can turn their mics on and type in the chat what the citation is. That's the most important part, isn't it? So A, B or C? Off you go. And the citations. Liam, I can't see the chat. So if you can tell me when I can get the answer. There have been more than 10 answers placed already, mostly A. The first was a B. Right. Any citations? No citations. One person asking for a citation, citation in which that was you'll be unsurprised to learn. Kerry Raymond, I think that's very appropriate. I agree with you, Kerry. I also would, I would contest the methodology of the question. Exactly. And I can give you that article and there was no further information. So this is some, but maybe someone can point to where someone could go and find more information that has more detail. I assume they meant English Wikipedia, but I don't know. Okay, this one. I do know the answer to this. So what was the official answer according to the question? It was A. A, 300,000. Another question. Gengara is asking which Wikipedia or do you mean all of them? So the first person who wrote A was indeed Kerry Raymond. Okay, thanks, Kerry. This one's got to go fast because we don't have time to don't want anyone looking it up. When was the Wikipedia article created on the English Wikipedia? 6 November 2001, 5 September 2002, 15 January 2007. So the article Wikipedia on English Wikipedia. Anyone got there yet? The answer is A and who added the article? Amazingly, the winner of this answer then, if the answer is A, is Kerry Raymond. Did you take Kerry out of this conversation? Impressively, however, the first couple of answers would be no one suggested C. Do you have a who? Who is the person who wrote it? Originally or when Tim recovered it? Yeah, probably, and this is going to be the next question. Maybe Tim could tell us whether any of these are actually correct. So it was Larry Sanger on the 6th of November. Okay, what is the font used in the strap line of the Wikipedia logo at the moment? According to our own documentation. All right, it's now a bit difficult to see which letters reply to which question, because it's just a series of A, Bs and Cs. But I believe... Did someone put C first? The first person to have written a C, I'm assuming they weren't responding to the previous question, is Sam Wilson. No, sorry, it's Robert. So A is an old answer and C is a new answer. Yeah, I was going to say A actually. Where was the first glam wiki held? And if you were there, you can't answer that. Okay, you've got many answers on that one. Uh, yes, we do. The first answer was from Tim Starling. Excellent. It's B, Australian War Memorial. And one for the New Zealanders. When did the wiki project NZ Handle go live? On Twitter, you mean? Yes. Oh, yes, I suppose it could have been. Another channel. I really should insert a dashed line or something to differentiate between the previous question and the next question. I'm believing the first response here was from Kelly Tall, suggesting C. I'm not sure if that's the one. No. Who's the next one? The first one who suggested A after Kelly. Well, then in that case, it would be Kerry Raymond again. Kerry's been checking out the answers beforehand. Okay, that's enough. I think for that, let's unshare that screen. Yeah, it has ended. Brilliant. So that was just to get you all all engaged. And now I will bring up some slides that Gideon has prepared. I might just have to... Now, am I going to do this, Gideon? Oh, I just crashed the whole system. Yeah, that's right. That's what I'm worried about. Just go on with the next thing, if that's the problem. I should welcome some new people who've joined the chat. We're now 28 people in this call. And for those who joined us after the beginning, just to remind, we are recording this. And we'll put it online afterwards. So if you'd not like to be recorded, turn off your video and audio. Otherwise, welcome. Yeah, so sorry, Gideon. There we go. There's a full screen. Okay, but it's... While Kerry is working on that, Tim, if you'd be willing to regale us with the story of how you recovered those early answers. Oh, sorry, I called upon Tim while he was away from the keyboard. Here I am. Yeah. Yeah, people were very, very cavalier about Wikipedia's archives in the early days. And we switched from UseMod to a new software, and then eventually to the one that Lee Daniel Crocker wrote, which is the one that we've got now. And only the current revisions were imported originally. And it was assumed that UseMod threw away all the old revisions. But I was looking at our old Sourceforge project one day. And they have this file server inside there with private files. And yeah, I found in there... This was many years afterwards. This was like 2011 or something. And yeah, so I was looking in the Sourceforge project and found a backup made on August 2001. And it had, contrary to everyone's expectations, every revision from the start of the project up until August. It's some fantastic digital archaeology there, Tim. Can you remember what was the first article, other than the main page, the first content article? Yeah, I'd have to check. I can tell you in a few minutes if you'd like me to... That would be quite a lot of use. And I believe the slides have now been worked, so let's go over the slides and you... I commissioned you to do that research in the meantime. Excellent. Okay, so you can all see that. You should have a make presentation full screen if you'd like to, down in the bottom of the slides. Is that showing for everybody? Or otherwise up in the options, three dots down on the top right, there's also an option for make full screen. So I'm... Yep. Okay, off you go. Okay, well, I've gone back and picked out some of the stuff that Wikimedia Australia has been involved with and different people around. Over Wikimedia Australia's time supporting the projects. And initially, you can go to the next slide, please jump in with comments or anything at any time. Initially, when Wikimedia Australia took us about two three years, was it, John, of discussions about setting up the chapter? And it was bouncing backwards and forward. Eventually, we were formed by a group of people down in Melbourne. And it was thanks to Angela and Tim, who provided some initial funding to cover the costs of registration of the chapter and those pieces of information. If you go to the next slide, please carry. And you'll see that obviously, we have kind of kept records of all the people that have taken up positions on the committee. So we had an interim committee. And then our first committee included our presenter, Liam, as vice president and Brianna Laughter, who organized for all of our web page, our website, to be hosted on Linux servers. I know John was involved with a lot of that at the time of setting it up and running it. He would later become president for a few years. And then he'd share that with Craig Franklin as well. And of course, Craig left us a few years ago now, unfortunately, but he did a lot of work in building and developing the community. Him and John set up the initial major funding from the Foundation for us. From there, it moved over to the committee Steve picked it up and we started working with it from there. That's when I joined the committee in an official capacity. And we started working towards getting permanent funding under the new models with the chapter. And that's where Prue and Alex have taken it on from there. If you want to go to the next slide, please. Okay, so here's a few photos from different bits and pieces. Apparently Steve's got a tattoo with a barn star on his shoulder. There's a photo there from the first meet up in Sydney in front of the... I can't even think of the name of that bridge. Catehanger or something. Sydney Harbour Bridge. And then there's, of course, ASSF's visits to Melbourne with the New York Committee. There's some photos there. There's one of Craig, one of Brianna, one of Liam, all from the first Glam Wiki project. And then there was a group from Meet Up in WA back in 2007. Oh, Kerry's said to check out Nostalgia.wikipedia.org, Wiki Australia. So there's a link there to have another look. Prue, if you want to just jump to the next slide. As you can see, we've been doing a lot more stuff more recently. But in early on, we started with Glam Wiki, which was the first Glam Wiki event that was organised by Liam at the War Memorial, which Kerry's quizzed on with thunder, but okay, that's all right. And then from there, we've moved on to other stuff. You can just jump to the next slide, Kerry or Prue. Sorry, of course the Glam Wiki, so there's some of the photos, some of the first ones, the panel, of course Liam, who ran the day and did such a wonderful job of it all, and then went on to digger and brighter things with the foundation, and he's come back to look after us today. And some of the behind the scenes, we're all sitting down in the pub, setting up all the paperwork and all the giveaway stuff for the Glam Wiki. And then later on, we picked up the QR codes, the priest you see at the top, white ghost, she managed to put the first QR code up in Sydney, and then Australia's biggest project is the 2JPD with the QR codes, and that goes through the town and its museums and stuff, so if you're ever over this way, you can spend a day there enjoying it. Yep, meet up from Brisbane, another one with Craig and Kerry hiding in the background. And then we got into the Wiki Loves Earth, we had over 7,000 entries over the four years we have participated, so you'll see that there's the winners from 2.17 and 2.18, I think, just looking at the photos. And Wiki Loves Monuments, we only participated in that for three years, they had substantially less entries, it's on half thousand of them, and it tapered off because of some issues we have with what is defined as a monument and what isn't, so I won't go too far down that one. And of course, more recently, there's been Catty who truly made the chapter national when she joined us from the Northern Territory Library, and she also helped organize, you know my name, Edit-a-thon. Of course, there was a few of us still around when Wikipedia was just 10 years old, and from that, the photos from Western Australia with all the Western Australians have been stuck in a cage at the pub for some reason. And there's a group from Melbourne there, and of course, Wikimedia Australia has been part of the development from ECEAP, which started back in Washington in 2012. And ECEAP's got a mascot, and it's actually a little quokka from WA, which Robert kicked up and took across to Cape Town, it then went from there, it's been touring around Asia, it went to Stockholm, and it's currently in quarantine in Thailand, it was waiting for the Bangkok. Wikimedia, so hopefully it'll get out of quarantine eventually. That's all the slides, so I'll hand it back to Liam. Thank you, Gideon, that's a lovely rundown. Does anyone want to pick up on anything they saw in those slides and share a memory or add a point, add a story? Feel free to unmute yourselves and chime in. In the absence of anyone wanting to shide it to share their story by audio, you can certainly add it in the chat and I can read it out for you. Gideon points out that QR code you mentioned is still there on the wall in the crypt. I happen to know that it is the children's chapel of the St James Church, Sydney. And I will find the article for you and put it in the chat. Related to that fact is, here is the article about the children's chapel. Related to that story is that the article about the church itself is the same user, White Ghost Ink, her first feature article, which was made a feature article as a wedding present for me. It was her wedding present to me, which made it to a feature article status on Australia Day, which was my wedding day. So, how's that for a very Wikimedia presence? Sam asked a question about the QR codes and yes, they have been fixed. There was a period of time where it was losing ASCII characters out of the URL names, but that has been sorted. Excellent. Everyone likes an appropriately formatted apostrophe. Did anyone else want to add a little piece of history or shall we move on to Mike's presentation about from New Zealand? Just a quick note, there was no mention of the Paralympics, as far as I could hear. Hello everyone. Joe, point. Could you want to give us a quick rundown of the Paralympian, the Australian Paralympian tradition on Wikimedia? That's very hard to pull together. The key component of that was oral history. It was also real history. I was working with universities and I think it was one of the first times in Australia we've had a Wiki-based research grant application that was in conjunction with University of Queensland and Paralympics Australia. I might have the name of that one wrong. I think it went for two years. The objective was to collate and present more information about Paralympians in Australia and the disciplines involved as well. The culmination of that project was the Paralympics of one particular year. I can't remember exactly which one. We had a few people working on making it a very viable Wikimedia collation. The people who were looking at these athletes were able to get very good information about it. It spread to other countries as well. We were quite helpful to other countries who were wanting to also get on board. I remember Laura, Robert, Ross all attended the Paralympics in London and Ross and Robert attended the Paralympics in Rio as with media accreditation from the Paralympics. That's right. Thank you for that. My apologies, John. I was rushed in doing these slides on myself. No worries. Thank you for that, John. Tim, have you had a chance to do that research? What's the answer for it? Well, after the first few edits to the main page, there was one to philosophy and logic. That was really the first content article, if you like. I think you can see Larry's hand in that. What's the root of all ontology? It must be philosophy and logic. He put that page up with a few, oh, yeah. He said, let's work on articles on these famous philosophers. Aristotle, Plato, Epicurus, right now, Descartes, Emmanuel Kant, and Ein Rand. Oh, dear. Not sure her name should be there on the top six or so, but anyway, yeah. That was the start of things, philosophy and logic. Is it not true that Larry and Jimmy met on an Ein Rand fan message board? I can believe that. Actually, they ran their own mailing lists server for objectivist objectivists for a while. They ran that out of the bomber service. Yeah. So I can imagine that thing, can you see? I've put a link in the chat for the list of the first 100 pages that were created on the English Wikipedia. Thank you, Alex. I see in that link there, as Tim said, as home page, Wikipedia, philosophy and logic. I also see among the first 50 is the article Donegal Fiddle Tradition, which then appears again as article number 100. So it got deleted in the meantime. It's possibly one of the first edit wars, that was a forced notability criteria. Mike, are you there? Do you have the ability to share your slides? I think so. Let's give it a go. Let's give it a go. Let's see. What does it want me to do? So if you've taken presenter and then you should have an extra share screen, I see it. And you get application or tab or whatever it is you want. I think you go. Looks good. And I'll go to this. All right. That'll look good to everyone. Yes. And people can zoom it up with the full screen. Okay. Right. Okay. All right. So I wanted to talk a little bit about the West Coast Wikipedia in at large position, but we have to backpedal a wee bit because 2018 to 2019, I was the New Zealand Wikipedia in at large. The beginning at large was a job title that I made up the proplication, but everyone thought it was fun, but we kept it. And now I think other people are talking about is rather nice. And the grant from Wikipedia foundation, which I think was the first project brought to New Zealand, New Zealand, I see here on the road bootling around from right down to the needle to Nelson, spending time at about 35 different institutions in the end, and about a dozen for substantial time. And just basing myself on site and working with them on their Wikipedia mass commons uploads, running workshops, doing staff training. That sort of thing. Now, it's also important to notice where I did not go and that is West Catholic, which we just call the West Coast only out of Ireland. And it's very distinct region. It's separated by the Southern Alps. So in a lot of its history, there was no road or rail access to it only and there's no usable port of. So it was geographically isolated socially isolated. And one of the last parts of New Zealand to be beans was only ever smart popular by Maori. So it's remote and also retains all of its original forest cover as well. So there's been very little deforestation and development there. Also a lot. This is the first thing you'll hear about the West Coast in New Zealand. There is how much it rains, the prevailing westerlies across the Tasman siege amount of rain on those mountains before they cross it out. I didn't go to the West Coast for some reason on my Wikipedia at large. So only 2000 people lived there. So it's pretty spasculated. But at the end of the year, I did get some requests to come over and work with a couple of institutions there. So December 2019, I had a meeting in the small town of Hockaticka at the library there. So a bunch of different organizations, Department of Constance Libraries, Local Government, Lab Tourist Development, and pitched the idea of me spending some time on the West Coast as an immigrant. And so the Wiccach model in miniature and took about six months to organize the funding for this. But in the end, it was indeed in stands as the West Coast Wikipedia at large. So that was just this last September and October. And it ended up being six weeks on the coast. I thought this would be interesting to share because there were some things we did in this project that could be, I think, directed and used in other such disparate projects. So this was all just COVID. We were worrying that this was going to be extensive. And this was going to affect the mobility project. By September, the level restrictions in New Zealand East had been reduced such that it was perfectly okay to mass meet up events and work in public spaces and so forth, which was very lucky. For the, we planned a program of events, running workshops and Wikipedia. Presentations to tourist operators. Tourism operated towards a big part of the West. Trying to explain to them what the Wikipedia the direction of things like wiki voyage and donating tourist photos to commons and so forth. And that was my big concern was that people would take this as an opportunity to jump on Wikipedia and try and use the articles as marketing for tourism. I also met with all the glam, the gallery library, museum archive, folks on the West Coast that I could and pitched the idea of working with Wikipedia and commons wiki data a bit more with them. We had a good number of participants sign up. What was interesting with this is these volunteers were a substantial number from Australia and the geographically none of these active volunteers were from the West Coast, working in Auckland, Crosschurch, Wellington. So we had a very graphically dispersed group of people who were all keen to help out. So to help coordinate this project, what I did was run, we ran first of all a daily progress report. So from the fifth started, I would make a diary about what I've been doing and other folks like here, which I'm going to try something, do something each day. The FGM biscuit is an important part of this that we'll talk about soon. And what started to happen is that we were using this as our live coordination tool for organising particular events. So for example, on the 19th of September, I was in Westport and Paula, who was in Auckland, wants some photographs of Sir Kenneth's Catholic Church. I was able to run out in the evening and shoot some photos for that heritage building there and I was asking for the heritage places that weren't documented, photos and wiki data. So I was able to do that. So having someone on site, but having others to find what was missing, what gaps needed to be, was really useful. And it actually stacks up. When we did the daily report, it really does stack up to quite a lot of stuff. Now there were the feedback from the funding organisations that were on the coast. They were amazed at the amount of stuff that we were doing and the number of different people working on it. So sometimes this is a bit obscured, but making it all in normal Wikipedia projects, making it all really explicit was very impressive to familiar the collaborative nature of projects. My first day, I took a photograph of the FGM biscuit, it's an iconic Australian treat, but this is a very important part of New Zealand culture. The problem with the Afghan is that traditional Afghans have an entire half walnut on the surface. It's not a series of pathetic fragments like this. So I nominated this as the iconic Afghan biscuit for wiki data and made it the featured image and so forth. But this prompted others to try it out as well. And we ended up creating an Afghan biscuit category and various folks all went and shot, either did home baking or shot Afghans that they themselves had found in the field. And the Afghan has now been adopted as the, I believe the official biscuit of wiki media New Zealand and will be part of every future live event that we run will be done with Afghans. The second coordination thing I did was to create a virtual postcard each week that was posted to every participants talk page. And so I mocked up a little stamp with the sandfly, which is the official biting insect of the west coast and became our mascot. And what we've been doing people who participate in what's coming up in the wiki head. We made a Google drive of sources that had been digitized that he put in use as references and so it's like, and this was also the feedback I got was also a useful technique just for a short week project to keep people on task. And all the participants at the end got this little banster. Thank you on the talk page as well. We also had prizes for the most valuable participants. That was either the most prolific or that created the most article those were books or book vouchers that were donated by the sponsor of the event. So that was also in physical to be able to send out. So at the end of all this, I was offered a job at Western District Library in Hukutika. And so I set up a West Coast Task Force project to continue picking up on all of the unfinished projects that we started. And there's an initial blog post that I'll share as I started my job in December as a full-time 18 month contract working with Western District Library. There'll be a Wikipedia theme running through it, but I'm also doing wiki data work on translations of a little policy on the West Coast. You might have heard of it. There's going to be wiki source. We've started wiki source project this time and organized way in New Zealand digitizing out of print history books from the Western Library's collection and we'll be running monthly meetups now of Wikipedia's and Raymathum and Hukutika. So this has been really a project and there was anything like an organized Wikimedia project like this with coordinating a dispersed crew. And it was a bit of a gamble to see if we could work. But what I think COVID has taught us is that these kinds of distributed projects are definitely doable and if you run regular feedback and really work on that sense of belonging that is gained by thanking people regularly making sure everyone feels you know that their contributions are being noticed, it can definitely work. So that was my experiences and I hope that might be useful to anyone who's running a similar sort of distributed project over in Australia. I hope that my audio was not too bad. The connection here is not the best. I'm sorry about that. Anyway, thank you all and that was great fun to present. Thank you, Mike. It was a bit stuttery. The audio was a bit stuttery but not so much that we couldn't work out the context through the busy board. So yeah, you're all good. Thank you very much for that study. That work particularly like the phrase the official biting insect of the West Coast. I know New Zealand has the Bird of the Year program that's the competition which is hotly contested and in fact it's the most the election in New Zealand that has the highest amounts of vulgar fraud is for the for the but I'm not sure if there's an official biting insect of the year competition. Kelly, are you around Kelly at all and are you ready and do you have the ability to share your slides? I can actually see my slides. I think everyone can see my slides. No, not or at least I cannot. Big orange slide. Ah yes, okay, good. Take it away. If your audio starts to stutter then then others we might want to take our videos off but otherwise we'll you have the floor. Okay, great. Can everyone hear me okay? Is it all I just take my microphone hasn't turned itself off? Well I've been watching. All good. All good. Great. Thank you so much for having me here to talk. I'm actually part of a bigger team and someone's child is very ill so well not very ill but you know ill that they can't manage a call tonight and that's Heather who I worked with on this project but I'll just take you through some slides that we prepared about something we've been working on with Wikimedia Australia which is all about notability using the order of Australia as a kind of proxy of notability and then seeing how well we can match that up with Wikipedia Australian biographies. So I'll just introduce myself quickly. I'm Kelly. I'm a freelance data visualizations designer and I have connections with UTS. I finished my master's there in data science a couple of years ago and I've been working with Heather. Heather Ford who's a sociologist in the digital media and communications department at UTS and Tamsen Petch who's the director of the Centre for Australian Public History and we've also been working really closely with Toby here. I'm not sure if Toby is here. I know Alex is here so we've been working really closely with Prue, Toby and Alex who've been helping us with quite a lot of questions about the data that we've been looking at. Heather and Tamsen originally came up with a project which was really about understanding the scope of entries that related to Australian biographies within Wikipedia and to sort of try and understand where some of the gaps might exist. So for using the order of Australia as a proxy as well for notability what pages may not be up yet on Wikipedia that we could learn from. For the simple version they gave me a brief which was we're going to give you you know we'll just get a list of names and then we'll extract them from Wikipedia and if there's a match we'll just then get the page creation date and then we'll just calculate the difference in time to understand what people's pages put up before they got their order of Australia or after they got their order of Australia which I was like yeah that sounds really easy um dear god it was not easy um we want to start off with just really acknowledging that the the honours list itself um has a lot of issues with it um it's incredibly biased we know that I think um I think the last year they got up to 41 percent of women who were not who received an award um but it that that's kind of only doubled really um and this the um honourer women groups have done an incredible job at actually getting that up to even 41 percent but they know that they could go even further um we also don't know the extent of um I guess people's racial background um the full gender spectrum um we just sort of know we've got a really blunt instrument in understanding whether it's a man or a woman who has the award um and we use that list to match names with wiki data not wiki media first because you know names are really hard to match um I didn't know that um I mean we missed Burt Newton in the first um week because he's listed as Alfred Newton not or sorry Albert Newton not Burt Newton and we missed Jenny Key because she's Miss Jennifer Margaret Key so there's lots of people that we missed in that first um kind of matching that we tried to do so when we were talking to Alex and Prue Alex used it as a sort of an opportunity which he sort of madly worked in once over one weekend which was to extract all of the um records that he could find on wikipedia to update everyone's wiki data entry so now we know that we've got a really great um solid data set in wiki data of all the order of Australia recipients um getting the page date creation was also a little bit tricky I had a very hacky way of going about it which I can share with someone later on if they're really interested in it um it was long and slow and arduous but it did work I managed to get the page creation date um and then it was mostly smooth sailing after that so just take you through quickly I'm not sure I know that um some people have been working on creating pages for people who have an order but just to give people a quick rundown of the different levels and when we're talking about notability um the nights and games kind of disappeared in 83 and everyone probably remembers that weird moment when Tony Abbott bought them back in and gave one to um the Duke of Edinburgh and interestingly there's only 19 Australian nights and games and one of them is held by the Duke of Edinburgh and the other one is held by Prince Charles so that's sort of like already a quite large proportion of them are held by the royal family um so the highest level um of one is that Australia has right now is a companion an AC um and they're sort of it's sort of they're eminent and then the AO the officer is awarded for distinguished service and AM is um sort of awarded for a service in a particular locality or field and the medal which is an OAM is is awarded to more people who are involved very much in grassroots community level um so they're sort of the the CWC lots of people popping up from the CWA um surf lifesaving rotary so it's kind of quite grassroots but that doesn't mean that there isn't still I think Penelope Fadler has an OAM so there's still some sort of interesting people mixed in with the OAM who might be considered sort of notable from a Wikipedia measure of notability as well um so the key findings were that um we've got about 11 percent of people who hold an order who have a page on Wikipedia there's this sort of interesting crossover which I think is kind of sort of we've got these 4452 people out of the I think it's 41,000 people who have an order and then Alex kindly sent me um an estimate of how many Australian biographies um we think that are there which are around 53,000 so there's sort of like this interesting possibly small group of people 4452 um so there's still a lot of people who have an order that don't have a Wikipedia page yet um interestingly the higher the level of the order um oh I'm just seeing like 32 on public chat does that mean no one can hear me hang on I'm sorry I just saw 32 and I was like oh my god is everyone saying I can't see your slides I can't hear you okay so um so what we can find is that the higher the level of the order of Australia um you know this isn't so surprising the more likely you are to have a Wikipedia page but in that officer and member level we've still got 11,000 people who are missing from Wikipedia and they're people who are sort of still quite eminent and still very notable so you can see here that uh sort of a little bit small but if you've got your big screen on make a full screen so I can see um we've got um you know a hundred percent there are only 19 nights in game so a lot of those are Governor-General's of Australia so they tend to get a page as well but we've got 85% of people who are ACs have a page and then it significantly drops down so people who are in AO or people who are in the lower level um that green box is the proportion who have a Wikipedia page what is really interesting and we were quite surprised is to see that the representation of women as a proportion not obviously in absolute numbers is actually comparable to men so you see here there's about 10% of all women who have an order of Australia um are represented in Wikipedia compared to about 11% of men so even though the proportionally they're not comparable but sorry raw numbers they're not comparable but proportionally they are so there's actually a relatively strong representation of women who hold orders of Australia on Wikipedia and when we look at the actual levels again 100% of those nights and games but AC companion level like it's close to 100% of Australian women who hold ACs have representation on Wikipedia a little bit more than the men which is interesting but when we jump to the AO level which is still very notable you know like it's quite tough to get an AC but AO still tough to get one um there's quotas around those I think there's only about a hundred a year hundred people who are allowed to get one a year um it drops down to half so there's still a lot of people that um might do with a Wikipedia page um at that OA sorry at the AO and AM level um we wanted to understand um does the announcement of getting receiving an honor prompt Wikipedia to jump online and create pages for people when you look at the split between people who have pages created before they get their award and the split of people who have pages created after they get their award it's nearly 50 50 but when we look at sort of page averages what it did was I made everyone the date that they got their award as week zero and then calculated the distance in time um after the page was created and before their page was created so you can see here this is week zero so it's um day zero plus six days we have 47 pages like in total over time creating a page and a little bit of activity before but it kind of averages about one or two pages a week to created for people who have an order of Australia um we did a data dump of who these people were to try and understand who created the page and Alex created quite a lot of these pages um and he said you know I I I read the announcement I jump online and say wow that's an interesting astrophysicist that probably should have a Wikipedia page so I'll create create a page for them if I can find information so it definitely appears to be a signal for people to sort of jump online and go oh this looks like an Australian that should have a page and doesn't have a page already um so we did like lots of deep dive analysis in gender and splits and things like that and it's kind of interesting but it didn't feel necessarily very actionable other than get everyone to look at the news on you know the 26th of January or the queen's birthday long weekend to see who gets nominated so we decided to look at the citation field so every time anyone gets nominated they publish the kind of reason so I just did some pretty simple text analysis I was going to do some topic modeling but I just looked at really term frequencies try and understand particularly amongst women what are the differences between women who have a Wikipedia page created for them and women who don't have a Wikipedia page created for them and so women who have Wikipedia pages and an honor are more likely to be in sport in politics or in media and entertainment and the women who don't are more likely to be in research fields like nursing community health age care pediatrics so sort of um kind of feminized sort of industries um I keep hitting my keyboard now this is tiny looks like a full screen here I am full screen um who's got all these slides so you can have a look at them but the bottom the bottom section here are people who've been awarded an AO who don't have a Wikipedia page and anyone above the line are people who have an AO and have got a Wikipedia page so we can here see sport parliament um there's lots of lawyers um kind of science lots of dates here that tend to relate to Olympic events when I looked at um inverse term frequencies so the frequency those frequency of terms that are very unique to each group gold appeared significantly here there's obviously lots of gold medalists to do with the Olympics but here we get we see nursing we see child um there's lots of um kind of healthcare related sort of people in those fields who don't have Wikipedia page and that's similar for people with uh who are members again this is kind of entertainment broadcasting and here there's a lot more sort of nursing aged care children um so these are these are actually still quite important uh and notable women um but they're not necessarily being recognized by Wikipedia um the same difference emerged I was interested in well of all the women who got a page before they got their order what are they known for versus people who get their order after sorry people who get their page after they get an order and it seems like it's a actually a great signal for um more Wikipedia pages to be creative for people so uh an order of Australia seems to be quite a strong notability flag um for pages to be created so this side of the line these are people who had their page created before they received their honor and up here is people who um had their page created after they got their honor and again there's nursing um disability culture and over here it's sort of broadcasting um I'm using my tiny laptop judiciary parliament performing so it's something like after um people get an award for um with a citation that relates to things like nursing research etc they actually are more likely they they tend to get an award they sorry they tend to get a page credit for them after as well so that seems to be a really good signal um but I guess the opportunity um one thing we did notice whether there were 280 people who have a witty data entry who have an order of Australia that have no Wikipedia page so obviously not all of those people um are worthy of a Wikipedia page themselves but we found a couple of people so we found um you know people like um Dr Megan Jane Johnson um she specializes in nursing nursing and healthcare ethics and her research is actually referencing Wikipedia I think it's the page on amoral a morality so um she's talking about the uh she has a chapter around ethics and her work is actually cited in a Wikipedia page but she has no Wikipedia page herself um Dr Lynn Frager is really important in rural healthcare policy and um safety she's developed the policies um that have been adopted by farmers for safety she's actually listed on the women in red page but she has no Wikipedia page yet and Professor Ingra Winship um she um works in genetics and one of her genetic observations that kind of uncovered a particular genetic mutation um it's actually used in the page of the genetic mutation so her research is quoted but she doesn't have a Wikipedia page either so they're just some of the people that we discovered in this interesting world of being referenced but not then having a page and all these women also hold um order of australias as well their offices of order of they have an office now offices of the order of australia um you see other opportunities because we did find um that uh women working in fields of nursing research community health age care might be good to do outreach for some of the universities such as the University of Newcastle which I think has a really strong faculty in public health um or nurses unions my mom commented that nurses are probably too busy to make Wikipedia pages which is probably true um because I was talking about them being underrepresented and she sort of said well that's because nurses are too busy because she used to be a nurse um but it could be a really great um I guess a a focus or a group of people that might be great to do outreach with community outreach with to sort of say hey you've got a whole bunch of eminent people working in this field and we know that they deserve Wikipedia page can you help us put them up and I guess the other opportunity that we discovered was kind of people like me I have a master's of data science at UTS I know universities are always looking for massive data sets for their students to play with um I kind of knew about Wikipedia I was a Wikipedia user but I didn't necessarily understand the extent and how much data you can access particularly text based data which we're all trying to get our hands on um now you know it's a kind of world that you don't really know exists until you get some kind of weird um secret entry into and I was only able to access this through a very specific and special opportunity but it seems like there's um you know I've been telling people about it who I work with in data science and they're like oh my god I never knew that um you know such things existed and the fact that um you know a lot of us use R or Python there's lots of packages that we can access with the Wikipedia API with but didn't really know about before either so I should say that's going very dark in Marrickville there's a beautiful sunset outside yeah that's the research we've been doing um happy birthday thanks for having me and um yeah it was a wonderful opportunity so thank you very much crew and Alex for getting us involved in this thank you very much Kelly that's fantastic really interesting work and and unsurprisingly considering your expertise really clear and informative um data visualizations as well if I may um at a New Zealand site of the story um that was really impressive Kelly thanks for that and uh I spotted some time ago the living Australian um um Knights and Dames uh um list and I thought oh we should have something like that in New Zealand of course you know and uh your Australian list as you've just explained is actually quite short I had no idea that we we would find hundreds of living Knights and Dames in New Zealand it took us weeks several of us were working on this uh to put this list together it was a massive amount of work so uh not happy I think that's because uh New Zealand still follows the imperial system but in 1975 we got our own system so we gave one to Prince Charles to say thank you yeah so I got I got conned right right yeah I think it's gonna be easy and then it never is excellent um I think now on the schedule we we're a bit late but that's fine and um where at least I'm not going anywhere so hopefully no one else is is worried about the time next up on the on the schedule is Kelly um do you have your um would you like me to show the video from mine or are you able to share it from your end Katie I might share it from my end hi can you hear me yes amazing hello everyone I can't think of a more lovely way to spend a Friday evening than with you all and so many faces but already so many names so many names as well that I've heard of but have never met or have heard stories about and never been on a call with so it's super lovely to all be here together um yeah so if you don't know me hi I'm Katie Brain I'm here on Awabakul and Waramai country in Newcastle at the moment but I'm only recently back on the new on the east coast after nearly 10 years in the northern territory that's what took me to Wikipedia editing I have a background in journalism and was just amazed at how difficult it was to find any sort of basic background information on basically anything in the northern territory and that really motivated me to try and do something about it and work with people to tell their own stories as opposed to telling them for people and to empower communities to do that um and so I'm forever grateful to Wikipedia and Wikimedia Australia for supporting um those endeavors over the years so I did a really wild I'm going to share my screen now um yes here we go a wild trip uh from Darwin down to Alice Springs with my historian friend here Derek Archibald um Gideon and Robert trained us in Wikipedia um very basic skills in Wikipedia before we took this trip and we did the first-ever editathon in Tenant Creek something I'm very proud of and also in Alice and Catherine and Darwin and I think we ended up doing about 20 or 30 events um over a few years and managed to double the number of NT pages in that time so yeah here's the editathon in Tenant Creek with some locals who are Tenant Creek history quite frankly but my um job this evening I had the very pleasurable task of putting together a video I think videos were contributed from around the world to celebrate Wikipedia's 20th birthday here we are and so it's my great pleasure to launch this video I will show it to you now probably many of you might have seen it on social media today but we tried um as a committee I suppose as we put this together to get a wide but very quick so here was the task summarize activities in Australia in one minute easy no it was actually quite tricky but um we wanted to get a nice mattering I suppose with the diversity of activities um that Wikipedia and Wikipedians um partake in so in this video you will see some references to some amazing content that's very Australian Tim Tanso mentioned the quokka is mentioned Australia's big things are mentioned I had a great time looking up unusual articles from Australia and stuff like that to get some inspiration of course Nungapedia which is the Nunga incubator for Nunga content on Wikipedia which is just something um Australia in particular is just so incredibly proud of is to such an achievement in terms of um the movement uh the contribution that so many of you make to improve in content about marginalised groups and in particular women through women in red art and feminism feminism and of course more recent things like know my name glam wiki and the strength of partnerships that have got us to where we are today uh photography and the power of great images and commons to kind of document our world and share it events that we've done far and wide and of course some lighter moments too so without further ado I am going to play you the Wikimedia Australia's 20th birthday card I'm calling it's like a video card sorry that's a big happy birthday to wikipedia from us all here in Australia just very quickly the video was made screen I hand drew every slide and this is just to show you how it was done most all the images were taken from wikimedia commons and different content on wikipedia we wanted it to be short snappy fun to see but also to show I suppose the intimacy of wikipedia it looks like a big scary platform but as we all know below the surface is this incredible warm community this incredible friendship and this incredible generosity of time and spirit that underpins the entire movement so we wanted to make it intimate I suppose show diversity um what's going to put some music under it but for some reason the kind of silence and just the typing for mine really like captured the experience of what it is to edit on wikipedia it's so often a big community activity but it's also very much a you know also very solo activity at times so that was sort of the feeling of it but lastly we wanted to be honest that there are still so many different things that we're trying to address when it comes to bias when it comes to you know some of the more complex things around sharing you know traditional knowledge of different issues like that that we're yet to face and yet to resolve and work with um partners to to I guess to to deepen those conversations that I'm sure we'll continue to do but yeah big happy birthday to wikipedia um and to all of you and big thanks to all of you because I continue to learn from you all we all learn from each other it's such an incredible privilege our work is never done so here's to 20 years more that's lovely catty thank you very pretty I hope that video gets picked up and used inside other slideshows and and presentations as well in in montages of 20th birthday presents and animated cards from around the world we've always uh I think we've always punched above our weight as a as a national community in the wiki verse uh alex are you there I believe it is now chance now hand you the microphone to to sing us out as it were okay um so I just want to get a couple of thank yous out there um thank you Liam so much for your your um wonderful emceeing and uh and you know sort of keeping us all uh somewhat to time I guess thank you you've been a marvelous presenter of today's events gone really well thanks to all our speakers uh thanks thanks catty for that amazing video I I was uh so relieved and then I watched it now I was like oh this is so good and an amazing job and going to see the behind the scenes um you know video um and uh director's commentary uh kelly thank you for your your wonderful work on and that presentation that's certainly upset it's a great you know really amazing kind of visualisation and and and you know those of us um any and myself or you know in particular who are interested in you know really interested in the orders and the gender gap you know it's just amazing to see to see you know to see it all laid out like that um thanks to mike um in um Otaroa New Zealand um so his amazing work on that west coast I found that west coast project really inspiring um and you know that was and I'm so glad you could share that with us it's a it's a really great model for um for you know a space engaging with the regional um places in in in in New Zealand or Australia um thanks to Catherine Marve um executive director of the foundation uh for her video greeting and thank you to Ingrid uh thanks for thanks to Gideon for that excellent uh recap of history uh and uh and Tim uh for some of the the technical aspects of that um uh particularly thanks to Prue um who set in and and did a lot of the organisation for this event um I had uh I was uh you know intended to do a lot more but uh found myself uh incredibly um incredibly incredibly busy at work and uh and Prue and the rest of the Wikimedia Australia committee um you know really stepped in and and uh you know did a fantastic job organising what I'm sure you will all agree will be a was a really enjoyable and um informative uh event and that's great to see all your faces here which brings me to my my last uh thank you I just want to thank the the amazing communities um of course they're global uh Wikimedia community but uh in particular that the um incredible communities we have uh in Kaurau New Zealand and in Australia um who you know we're really well together to to produce you know this incredible content and to to um produce free knowledge um and open source data for for the whole world as as I can be said you know that some of the data that's you know being produced on Wikidata and ending Wikimedia you know is um will be amazing to be used for researchers for for years or another 20 years to come you know for decades um yeah so yeah I want to thank the the amazing communities we have um in uh um Australia and um Kaurau New Zealand um I remember when I first created a Wikipedia account you know back in 2005 and you know kicking um yeah how how how does this work it must be absolute anarchy and and now I know the answer to that it's not absolutely anarchy because we have these amazing communities um who work together um with each other and and and uh so I just want to thank everyone um everyone here um and everyone who's not here who has been uh who has contributed and helped create these incredible projects for years um so that's the thank yous out of the way um there's a few more events coming up um that I'll I'll also like to send it to you um so if you uh so what it's at 830 in on the east coast of Australia now uh be 1030 in uh New Zealand and 530 in western Australia um so we've got a just post them in the chat there's a the Wikimedia Foundation it was running a global event it'll be on youtube I've posted the link there um so that's at uh 3 a.m east of Australia time that'll be um midnight in western Australia and I know and uh 5 a.m in New Zealand so that's uh that's tonight if uh you want to stay a couple of hours longer see we've also got a Asia Pacific event coming up oh yes uh yeah um we've got an Asia Pacific event coming up that's once again that'll be on youtube um so there'll be so several members of um uh of people in the uh Asia Pacific region I'll be there um and there'll be any other people that'll be on youtube and and uh so that's at 11 p.m on saturday in Australia uh let's see uh 1 a.m in New Zealand 8 8 p.m in uh in western Australia and lastly on sunday for those of you in in western Australia there is a perth meetup another nice round number um perth meetup 70 there you go perth meeting meetup number 70 um and also um like one one ref is starting today am I right uh or start it all yesterday or um but yeah that's um if you can help our wonderful librarian there and all those other um wonderful uh organizations we partner with and work with and help out um okay so yeah once again thank you all for coming um thank you all for all your work over the years and uh I hope you had a great time today and I hope to hope to see you at some of the other events and as I said a happy birthday Wikipedia and um and here's to another 20 years and and more thanks thanks Liam thanks Alex all right and I think with that we'll uh we'll sign off the conclude the formal or informal uh meeting and anyone who wishes to hang around and chat uh you're very welcome to and I'll turn off the recording now