 Are you guys all set? Yep. Forgot. OK, it's 6.03 PM. So I'm going to call the meeting to order for the Bethel Select Board for Monday, March 14, 2022. And I would entertain a nomination for a select board chair for the one-year term. Is there a second? Second. Anybody else? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Here you go, Chris. You don't have to go to the other place. Yeah, he's like, I'm not saying nothing. Hey, hey, hey. All right. All right. All right. So first on is to approve the agenda for this evening, unless there's any amendments that need to be made. OK, all in favor? It is weird to be back in person, isn't it? Just wait when that comes through the windows here. And Farron, you're here early, so you want to go now? Or you want to wait six minutes? Or you want to go? Get all your people? I'm just like, like, half a dozen. Yes, I'm Farron, and we are seeking our pool to turn some of the low lawn down to the Bevine Park into a pollinator patch. We've been talking with this nonprofit group, Be the Change, B-E-E, The Change. And they're based in Waybridge, Vermont. And they have a goal of they want to get some pollinator patch in all 251 towns of the state. And so he had reached out to me earlier this year. He was busy this year, so we're trying to get it ready for this coming summer season here. And let's see, they install educational signage along the pollinator patch. And they go around town businesses and any other groups to seek donations to fund the project. So there's no cost for us or for the town to put in a budget or anything like that. And the town, or I'm sorry, the businesses that would agree to donate any money get a sign for their desk saying we helped out with this pollinator patch. Kind of get a little networking going on as far as that goes. The lot that we have kind of eyed to convert is that red area is our first choice. And that is, as you can see, adjacent to the driveway for that. That is the pump, is that right? Yeah. Yeah, the pump station for the water. Right. And then there's the boat launch at the river there. So that red spot is our number one choice. And then I have a couple optional auxiliary spaces. The one right next to the pump house as well, that one next to that driveway there on the left side of this map is our number two area. And then there's that third area that's optional. It's kind of a raised section there near the park more where people go and the gazebo. None of these borders or areas are really set right now. B, the change wants us to get at least a preliminary approval here before they even come. So before, if we did want to do two, option number two, over by the pump house, I would want to talk to Richard just to see, just to make, I don't know. I know that's not the pump house we have slated to do a big upgrade to. But I'm just, I just would want to ask him any questions before we did option two. But option certainly one and we are good. I don't care about that, but two, I just want to run by Richard. Yeah, I'm looking at it. I thought probably the option that you had there in red was probably made the most sense. I think you probably don't want it as close to the gazebo as possible because there's a lot of activity there. But the pump house as well is who knows what future projects you may have to do there and dig it up or something. And Richard may not have no problem. He'd be like, oh, great, less to most. So I might just want to verify. But what do they plant just out of curiosity? Is it like milkweed and clover? There's a whole mix. There's a big variety. And while I didn't see a list on their website, which is BeTheChange.Earth, I believe, they had a few pitchers. And there were all kinds of different wildflowers. They mostly concentrate with solar fields because underneath solar is almost, it can be not as used. So they kind of stick to those, but they'll do any spaces. So yeah, there's a whole variety of things. Well, keep in mind, too, is that the town of Bethel and the town of Royalton co-owner solar field, it's in Royalton at the transfer station on top of the old landfill. Oh, interesting. I'll bring that up to them. Yeah, let the guy, the gentleman, or people know who would be the change if they're looking for a place in Royalton. If they like to do under solar fields, that's why it's on top of an old landfill. Yeah, absolutely. But I'll make a note, and I'll talk to Richard tomorrow. I'll send him this and then email you and just email. So that way, you're not wondering the option, too. And I apologize. I should have done that. Yeah, they have a bunch of them. Yeah. I think the only concern that I had with it is, and I was, like, I know what a pollinator patches, so I was pretty educated in that. And I was looking at the change, you know, the educational plaques and things that would be put up. But I guess, I mean, obviously it's in half, this area is a public place, so there's people that frequent that area and use the boat ramp. So in a normal setting, let's say if I'm allergic to bees or something, right? I mean, I always have to know that I'm allergic to bees, but in this case, we're actually attracting more than maybe average. So would there be any type of, like, I don't know, like a warning sign, like, you know, this is a pollinator patch or be careful, or something, because the boat launch is right there. And then because we are attracting bees there, like, I don't know, God forbid somebody got stung or killed or something, like, would that be any type of responsibility? Because we actually have a patch there and it's not identified that, I don't know, to be. Well, it says, I don't know what they put on their educational signage. It says to tell a story of the pollinators and they're important. Obviously, if someone goes in and tramples it, they trample it, but there's nothing we can do about that. But I wonder, do you happen to know what's on the educational signage by any chance? What he said about that is that they like to do a path through it. Nice. As a little educational walk, and they'll have little tidbits of information on the critters and the plants. So that's... So there's signage there that then says, this is a bee pollinator, they're attracting bees, so people would know. Oh, that's interesting. And that's because a lot of people right now, I mean, obviously, if you're allergic to bees, you're cautious all the time, but being that we would be attracting more than average, I've just kind of wondered, would there be something that we could put up just to warn somebody, so. One, it covers the town. So you try to do something into some kind of, maybe somewhere near the boat launch or something like, this is a bee pollinator area, there's bees in the area or something, I don't know. One thing about the boat launch is from almost everybody we talk to about the boat launch and even talking with people from White River Partnership, Mary and Greg Russ, that boat launch is not a great boat launch at all, it's steep. There's no like harbor to, the boat will just get swept away. Lisa Campbell, she's on the CC, she can oversees the Bevine Park, she doesn't like it. A lot of us have the mind to upgrade our boat launch, possibly just moving it, period. A lot of us are thinking that down at the ball field, that drive that heads out would be a great spot, of course that's on the higher side, but then also down at the bridge where that work was done, upgrade the stairs there, I think the stairs there are hard for kids and older people or anybody with any type of mobility impairment. So that's kind of like a longer term goal for us, is to try to just make that better. So, but that boat launch is there now at Peabind, so that is something we do need to, I guess, address the whole deal. And we should talk about it at the steering committee meeting Wednesday night. I think that's something that in the whole plan to do the downtown and look at the parks, I think they'd mentioned that and then maybe, so that might be something for us to bring up at the, I think that's Wednesday night. Yeah, because I know in that whole Better Connections, that was one of the things they talked about was either trying to make something a handicap accessible or better, but that's a good point. Oh, that's a good, I'd forgotten about that thing. Were there any other sites that you had thought about before this one that for pollinator path, any other ones that you guys had thought of or was the reason why this one was higher, higher up on the priority list? We thought about, like, Carlos Meadow, but we already, there's trees there to hold the bank that White River Partnership did and now it's all farm field the rest and so we don't wanna encroach anymore on that. The other parks like Spring Hollow, the one in Gilead, they're just not that big. Be the change we'll do up to an acre, which is quite a bit, so we thought that this was one that would get a pretty good size, make it worth it because of the trail through it and the educational stuff. We thought it'd be fun because it's a well-visited park, so that was kind of, that was our thinking. I feel like Ulster used area because it is, you kind of have to go up over that knoll from the main area so people tend to hang down lower but it's kind of a cool thing to have, to kind of get people attracted up there. Yeah, right, exactly. It's the less used part of Pevine Park, so. But it might get people to kind of expand their use of the space. Yeah, so opposed it or? My other question was how would we differentiate that border along the roadway that goes to the pump house? Because if you have people going to the boat launch and they'll just naturally travel through that patch possibly, there's something along the edge, maybe just some big stone, big rocks along that edge there to kind of keep people from using that as a shortcut. Isn't there a gate though? I thought there was a fence around that. Well, there's a gate at the road. There's a gate at the entrance to the pump house. But I like the idea of something natural that creates that border. Something natural where maybe there's big rocks along Pevine and they had just something to keep. We just have to be cognizant where they plow, right? Yeah, yeah. But yeah, because I know that you're right because there's a gate right there, which I think Richard would be normal. It sounds like maybe they're gonna come and do a site survey and sort of at that point in time, we could have a little more input as to, you know, define borders and the yays and yays. I see there are quite a few trees around there. It may be problematic or it would certainly impact the plants they choose depending on the shade, shade sun kind of thing. Right, there are a few big trees there. But there's enough openware. Yeah, I just, that's a... It'll flourish. Yep. Down there were two rivers meet, too, is fertile. I would be fine with doing both A and C, if I'm not mistaken. We're going to, again, meet with them and kind of see what they recommended, have them take a look, see what they recommended and take it from there. Sounds good. I think you have our support and me, again, if he came back to me and he said, we're thinking more of this area. I mean, I'd probably try to stay away from the pump house area, I think, just because you never know what project or something we may have to do there to disturb it. But the other two areas are pretty, I mean, they're not like, Linley said, they're not being used. And I don't think there's any... That other section is quite a hill down. And I don't think you'd want to use that section anyways, just because, I don't know, but may not be able to get as good growth. I don't know if you're already planning to be in touch with the school or not on this, but the middle school, and it's going to be a district-wide position next year, but for right now it's just the middle school has a new community schools coordinator who is intentionally working with sort of wider than just the school, but bringing projects out from the school and also projects that are happening out in the community into the school and really promoting education like Crossway, so Mary Shell, I don't know. Mary Shell, yeah, yeah. But she'd be a great one to connect with just to give her the heads up like, hey, this is happening. So if she wants to be involved or has a group that's looking for a project like this, she might be a great conduit to just help funnel like, hey, there's this group doing a section on pollinators and they could come help put it in the garden. That's a great idea. Yeah, just got introduced to her via email. Sounds like you got something. So once you do it, you'll just let us know where you pick just so we can let people know. And if you have anything you want put out on Facebook or from porch form or the website, certainly let Kelly know and she'll do that for you there, whatever you want. That sounds great. Okay, then I'll send him an email and hopefully get him over here soon. And yeah, I'll give you guys an update then. Sounds good. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Enjoy your evening. Have a good evening. Thanks, Farron. Take care. We're all to do a stone wall kind of thing. If that's where it goes. Yeah, made down there. I don't know. Yeah, it depends. I'll ask Richard to about how far of an emo and this and that. So yeah, we'll see. I don't know what she's, what their plan is for the money, but they also, I know what we'd mentioned during the Bethel connections is doing the, them looking at the boat launch. So. Yeah, that would be nice upgrade that or more like you said, maybe potentially move it somewhere. Yeah. And we kind of talked about a little bit too. Steve, it's narrow. Yeah. I can't imagine trying to hold the boat. Yeah, it's a question right at that spot if you want to put it on the corner. It's a little shallow, but it's a lot slower. I mean, it's usually just kayaks and stuff like that. Yeah, we'll have to, I'll put a note. Yeah. Just jump and go. That's right. It's not that deep. Yeah. That's true. But it is cold. Yeah. That's true. All right. Anything further on that? We'll turn it open to public comment. So if there's anything that's not on the agenda this evening, anybody wants to bring up. Now is the time. So let's see. We have Rita, Jen, Leonard. So there, hello. So if there's anything anybody has for public comment, feel free to unmute yourself and say so. Everybody's good. Okay. Hearing none. Wait, Leonard is moving. I will let you know that the EIC is working on putting together a NV, putting together a Bethel Pride event. For June? For June, the weekend of June 25th, 26th, 27th. So we're planning that out. We're starting to get that in order. So we'll have more information for you. Probably the next meeting, the next select board meeting. For June 25th, 26th, and 27th. That weekend. Okay. All right. I just wanted to make sure I said the right days. Let me look at my calendar. Yeah. No, I'm... I'm afraid. Lenny, just because people couldn't hear, Leonard said the EIC is working along with Leonard, who is not a member of the EIC as he says, but he said either he, they're working on a June 25th, 26th, and June 27th Pride event. All right. That's 24th, 25th, 26th. Okay. All right. And the June 19th, June 10th something. Yep. And the June 10th, yep. The weekend was harder. Yeah. Okay. I'm assuming it's your computer that's on the projector. Is it possible to do gallery views so we know who's in or not in the meeting? Because I had no idea we had so much public. If it's not possible, that's okay. No, that's really, that's all of them. Thank you. She started reading. Leonard, so we'll put that, I just, we'll make a note. So we'll, any information that you have, just... Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you. All right, anybody else? Here and then we'll move on. So we'll just go through the after town meeting day, typically for the next meeting or two, there'll be a lot of different annual reappointees or organization of business of things that we'll do. So this evening we have a couple of them here to go through. Most of the time they're kind of the same as what we did last year unless there's a new source or something like that. So the first one is just to designate the Herald as the newspaper of record as we have in the past. Okay, all in favor? And then the host, the physical locations to post the meeting notices which currently are the town clerk's office, the town manager's office and the Bethel Public Library. So it just... Is there the first two are the same place? No, they're definitely two places. They've been that way for years, but also too is we post all the same information on our website that, but this is talking about physical locations. So it's hard because you don't necessarily have, sometimes not everybody goes to the same bank and so it does make it a little bit tricky for places, but yeah, it's been that way for years. So the good thing is we do have the website. It's the post that he made the post office too. Yeah, and did they stop you from that? I don't know, but it's a good place to... And they have the bulletin board that they only allow non-profits, so the municipal entity would... But what happens sometimes is some places, and I'm not saying this is the case with the post office, we post a lot of stuff. And sometimes because it's all the agendas, people get a little like, you're taking up all their space, which is true, we do, because by the time we post every agenda stuff. I posted the ballot sampling and the warning and all that was posted at the post office. I feel like that's a good... Another utilized space and now there's rarely stuff. Because some things require five places, so I'm sure that when we do five places. We're just the essential market. You used to be at the bulletin board or Richardson's store? Yeah. In several places. Yeah, so you can, when there's five places, then we have to like, bond votes have to be in five places. I'm not sure for elections maybe have to be in more, but so no, I mean, you could make one of these another spot, I don't have a problem with that. But I will say, just because somebody comes into the clerk's office, doesn't mean they come to our side. But you could certainly make one another. I don't know skin off my teeth. This is just what you can normally do. So if we could inquire. I guess we could always add a location, right? You could. So if we had set these for tonight, we could always look in and add the post office. So yeah, we'll make a note to ask. Allow that. Ask the post office. Yeah, we'll ask Renee if she says okay. I didn't even look. Do they still have the bulletin board out in front of the central market? No, that's gone. That's when it got hit by the card. Yeah, that's right, never came out. So we'll ask Renee. It would be almost nice if there was a centralize, you know, somewhere on the block that would have a bulletin board. I mean, the Arnold block is kind of like a really nice location there. You can just have one in front of town hall. But that's a nice chalkboard out from. Yeah, I mean, it would be nice if one of the businesses through there that, or even on the opposite side of the road near the laundry mat in those areas. Yeah. Which we used for Bethel strong. It'd be nice to have them out there. So I'll ask, I will, or I'll have Kelly, somebody ask Renee to see if we can do an additional spot. But for now, we would make the town clerks, the town managers office and the Bethel Public Library, the designated physical locations to post meeting notices. Just need a motion for that. Okay, all in favor? Aye. And then we just need a board member to sign orders of the payroll on behalf of the town. Currently Paul, do you want to continue with that function or does somebody else want to steal it from Paul at this point? I could do it for one long year. He's getting there. I think that's what he said last week. I call it Paul. Okay, Paul's nominations on the table. You'd be a writer. Well, then you got to get, didn't you get to get a minimum of votes? I mean, that worked out so well. 5% of the vote. Just need a second. Second. Oh, you like motion. She really wants you to be the, I'm so ready. All in favor? Aye. Linley's got it up for you. Can I interrupt for a second? Yep. I have a bad shoulder and neck and looking this way is hurting it. If somebody on that end come down here and I could go up there, that would be great. That doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. It just, I need to be looking this way. Oh, okay. No, no, that's understandable though. You can still look that way. Just that speak loud, that's all. That's right. So going forward, if you're going to do anything, you have to be able to look to your right. If you're going to hurt yourself, you're going to hurt yourself so you can't look left. All right, so we left off with the payroll. So Paul has been selected for that. And then we have the select board's rules and procedures. So you've had that standard one that you do every year and then I went through and I've read the one that you've had and also VLCT had put out and updated one since. You guys have taken done yours. So I read the two and added, tried to move your stuff into the one that came from VLCT. It was just a little bit more in-depth, but of course you can always do what you want. One of the things that came out was and it's in the rules of procedure. So in your rules of procedure in the past that you'd adopted, it talked about a vice chair, but I have never known you to have a vice chair. So I wasn't sure about that. And then it's so in the rules of procedure, in both VLCT and your original one, it talked about a vice chair, but we can obviously edit any of this out. But Chris had called me about it. I said, I don't know what you've done. You know, I just know what you've done since I've been here and you've never had a vice chair. And you don't have to. I just remember one. You can do what you guys do now, which is somebody volunteers with Chris's in here to be the chair for the day, or you appoint somebody. You get here early and then as soon as the meeting opened, you say, I appoint Dave to be chair, you know, sorry. You suck or somebody you don't. I know when I got on it, we didn't really have a formal select board rules of procedure. It was kind of the one that was passed down through the state that we did. So that year we had restructured it. So I think my signature was like on the, on that at that time. And I can't, I was trying to think back. I can not remember us talking about the vice chair piece because we've always just, you know, if someone can't make it, you appoint somebody for the meeting. But I mean, I guess it makes sense if I don't know, it's kind of an easy door. I guess it doesn't really matter to me if we had someone appointed or if we just appoint by. It didn't matter to me. I just felt like if you weren't going to do it, then you should take it out. And so basically, so we just tried to take what you guys had done in 2016 and kind of move it to this updated version that the VLCT had done, which adds a little more detail but still covers the same basis. But you can do what you want. You can take the same one and redo it or you can take the new one out. Well, I think the newer ones got a little more detail to it and it relates to a few other examples of things that happen at meetings now that need to be in there. They weren't in the original one that we did. I did have a couple of questions about as far as the vice chair goes, I think we can do an all right. Yeah, like I said, I didn't, it was in your old one. It was number one in your old one under procedures. And I was like, am I missing something? I don't remember you doing that. Yeah, cause we've never nominated a vice chair in the past. Yeah, so we can take that out under C1, the body shall annually elect a chair, if that's what you want to say. Or we could just put something, I don't know if it's in there, but you could just say something to the point that if the chair is absent, then a member of the selected body would be. Yeah, so we could just say right here, the prod is. We'll act as a chair for that meeting or something. The body shall annually elect a chair, we'll cross out the end-byes chair. And then under, and then it says, if we'll just say if the chair, instead of if the both, if the chair is absent, a member selected by the body shall act as chair for that meeting. So I'll just edit this out. That's fine, we'll do that, perfect. Yeah, I agree with Paul. I feel like the language of the newer one is a little more updated with, it's got some language around more of the virtual pieces. And yeah, it just seems a little more accurate to today. We, we have talked about limiting the reporting of the time as well, the ones that I'm going to have on public comment. Right. Which number? It's in there, that's in public participation section. Okay. It would go, yeah, under public reading for public participation. Oh yeah. But I would suggest that we find that language that we adopted in 10, 12, three minutes or something. Yeah, I think that's what we said was what, yeah, you think you, I had it on the back of an agenda. Yeah, because right now it just says at the beginning of each selected meeting, there should be 15 minutes afforded for public comment at minimum. Right. But you've already got in there that a person cannot speak twice. Number five. So somewhere around there. Or it could go up in number two and just say limited to three minutes per person. Yeah. To allow enough time for everyone. Okay, so I'll look and see what you did there so I can add that, add. Of course, yeah, the old one had limited to two minutes, right? In the 2016 one? Yeah. Yep, it said such comment if permitted shall be limited to two minutes unless by majority vote. But I can look and see what you did in the past. Yeah, I like the inclusion of the language unless by majority votes then it gives the select for that flexibility that we talked about. Sure. I mean, most of the time it ends up being a quick thing but sometimes it could be, you know, something that's not on the agenda that becomes a bigger item. Couple of things up on the agenda section. Did you want to put in, you wanted to have items added by Thursday? Yes, I do. Thank you. Items. Somewhere in there. Yes, I like that's right. Thank you very much. Item under agenda, item one. The first paragraph. I think, what did we say? I thought it was a Wednesday at noon. You have contact the town manager by Wednesday before the meeting. Right, on Wednesday noon I think. Wednesday noon before the meeting. Yep, good. Perfect, all of them. Thank you. And then on the organization, do you want to put something in there through the effect that the chair only votes in cases at the time? Because it did say. That's contrary to Robert's rules. And under number five it says, the chair of the body may make motions. And did you guys agree with that before? It says, yeah, the chair of the body may make motions and may vote on all questions before the body. That's Robert's rules. Okay. And I think it used to say that in your prior one. It was number eight. You guys used to say the chair of this life would may make motions and may vote on all questions. I think you still, it says may. So it really depends who the chair is, right, if they want to. I mean, I. Those are good. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. I mean, I just, I've always, you know, since I've been on the board, I guess the way I've always thought about the chair position is if you go and make motions or vote first, you can persuade the other body, I guess is the way I've seen it in the past. So I think it's better that the body votes and then if needed the chair, which, what do we have one time that's ever happened, you know, to cast the final vote. Yeah, I've only known you to make a motion like once. Or the same thing with motions, because then it feels like the chair is like taking the meeting over, you know. I think the whole point of this is the chair to organize and run the meeting, but not, you know, take the meeting over when it comes to the articles. So I can put these. But everybody does it differently. Updated. You obviously still have a voice as the chair. It's not. Sure, yeah. It's just not being the overarching. Well, I mean, I think we've all been a part of a body that has had an identifying figure that may, you know, take over the meeting, you know. And, you know, it's our meeting of, you know, board of five plus trees, not the chair's meeting, you know. But. So I can. My bump out is with our meeting. Yeah. Yeah, my bump out. So don't touch my bump out. Speaking of that, they go on in the ground soon. Yes. Pretty soon, one snow stop. So I can make these adjustments and then put this motion back on your agenda for the 28th. Thank you for those, Paul. So that's good. All right. So I can do that. Also notice that the second is not next to the second. Right. Yeah. And you guys always second, but it's funny. All right. Then people are just going to feel left out. Yeah. This is something that people. The second is the person that didn't make, wasn't quick enough to get the motion. Well, it also keeps people paying attention. I get to have this. You know, Lindley came up with doing the second. So now she learned the second, she got to do the motions. Right. When Mo let you do the motions, you were able to get to that next level. So we'll remove that. So we don't have to do the vice chair thing. Anything else? Well, just to talk about that next meeting is the meeting that you will do your appointments. It just usually is good to re-advertise. Obviously, since the passing of Carol Ketchum, you're going to need the, he was an elected official as a trustee of public fund. So we just kind of want to make sure we got that out there for another, you know, week or so. It's nice to have it advertised for a couple of weeks. So for certainly for public, you know, perception that obviously we're looking for people. We have an interested candidate, but we want to make sure we hear from everybody. There's openings on the planning commission. There's openings on the equity and inclusion committee. There's openings on the energy committee. There's openings on the DRB. There's, you know, probably, I'm not sure about the recreation and conservation commission, but certainly my number one priority is the planning commission, because there's, you know, Adam Moved is now relocated to Chicago, but luckily the rules allow him to stay on. I had to double check with two rivers, but you know, it's tough. There's very, you know, limited members. I have approached people who've recently had permits that maybe went to the DRB, major landowners, just try to drum up some more business for the planning commission. But so far, you know, I haven't heard from anyone, but so like I said, if you're out there, planning commission, equity and inclusion committee, energy committee, you know, pretty much if you have a desire to serve, we have a volunteer opportunity for you. Are we still also looking for a tree warden? We actually are, well, I say that, but we have an interested person. So, so far I do have a letter for an interested person to come on as tree warden, someone who's interested in being a trustee of public funds, somebody who's interested in being on the social appropriation committee. So we have had, you know, three people, you know, recently, but still really, you know, need members for other committees. And two, you know, the planning commission needs once a month. The DRB only meets when they have a permit. So it could be twice a month, could be not four months, you know, that they read. There's also the loan, the economic loan. Oh, the revolving loan fund committee. That's right. Thank you. Carries on that. And that one goes up, another person who may be retiring from that committee, which would leave one person. So the revolving loan fund committee, and that may not meet for a couple of years. So, so if you have time, but limited time, the revolving loan fund committee is also. Or health officer or deputy health officer. Yep, we're looking for, yeah, right now, obviously Neil's still the health officer. He has to recommend and appoint a deputy health officer, but we're still, you know, he might relish the help. So. He was in the hospital the last time I spoke with one of his relatives. Yep, I know, the last time I had too, so. So anyways, if people are looking for committees to serve on, we have them and we'll advertise. Whether or not we kind of divide up the committees to kind of be a lady, yeah. The liaison? Yeah. Sometimes do, I know Dave serves on that and Lindley serve on the transfer station committee. Certainly you attend the better connections and the planning commission meetings. You know, Paul does the social appropriations committee. And he's on does two rivers, so he certainly serves. So it is nice if somebody wants to be a liaison between the select board and a committee, you know. If you're not already, there's definitely places for people to do that. So, you know, Chris helps me with like the road projects. We're going to be working on a grant here pretty soon for a paving. So if Chris isn't on a serving on a committee, he's helping me write grants and doing some other road stuff. So everybody pitches in, but, but yeah, it's something that we had talked about. I think right now that's kind of happening. But I think the intent to have different committees in the town is for the select board not to be, you know. Be everywhere? Yeah, you know, I mean, it's, or not have influence in those, right? I mean, they, you know, not often do they come back to the select board, but, you know, to not have that influence, I guess. So yeah, I just wanted to give you an update that we're, so if you're out there, we're looking for you to volunteer plenty of roles. We should just be able to disappoint, just people. Disappoint people. You have been volunteer. Congratulations, you'll meet here on these days of the week. I mean, it's just getting to the point. I mean, and it's ups and downs. I mean, we have times where we have people on all the committees, we have times that we don't have people on the committees. Right now we're heading on the downward trend again. So, so we just need a motion to, to approve the Bethel Select Board rules of procedures, amended procedures. What are you doing that next time? Or do you want to add it? I said, well, I could add it. If you want to see it all done, I can put it on the next agenda so that we can, I can do all the questions and you can make sure I didn't miss anything. It's up to you. That's fine then. Okay. For now, we're making up our own rules. That's right. Well, for now, your other one is still in force. Your 2016 one. All right. So we will just take, we don't need anything for our vice chair then. No. Okay. We have some liquor licenses and Teresa had noted in her town manager's report. I had that question last time where I thought it was kind of interesting that I was at a board meeting where they did not approve somebody's liquor license because they had owed the town something. And I couldn't remember what it was. And I just felt like there's no way that could be right. But, but I guess you can. So, so I guess it's just another tool. I guess. I asked Patrick Ross, our local liquor inspector. And I was, I wasn't sure. I said, this is, I've never heard of this. And he said, yeah. So I did reach out to someone who a business that has not yet put in their liquor license requests. And I did let them know that FYI, this is a new consideration that the select board does not have to approve liquor license requests. And I gave them their outstanding balance. So certainly would reach out to them again if they put their liquor license request in and their bill was on a date. I would certainly reach out to them. But I did already just kind of heads up. And I think for the most part, when it comes to the businesses, we don't really have too many issues with businesses on that. But I guess it's one of those things that when we do approve a license in town that we could look at those other pieces. But we do have two of them. There's a second class liquor license for a Locust Creek store. So unless anybody has any issues with that, I'm assuming that their standings with the town is good. Yep. So just need a motion to approve that. Okay, all in favor. And then we have, I'll get these come around. Then we have the, oh, the other one is second class liquor license for a Bethel Central Market. Second. Okay, all in favor. Aye. Gene and Lendly. Just make sure you sign where it says approved. We just have to wait for somebody else to do that. And then it'll be outside. Put that on my head still. They're coming, yeah. They're both coming together there. True. At some point, somebody will make that mistake and then we'll be indebted for a while, you know? That's right. Oh, it's crispy. No. I'm just looking out for you, Dave. Used to be, we had to do tobacco licenses along with liquor licenses every year. And I always had one select board member who would refuse to sign, always. He always said no, but I think he did it because he always had four other people we knew would cover him. Just to be on the record. Yeah, he just, that was his pet peeve, Mr. And he was not letting it go. So he would always, so I always hoped we had more than three people who were doing liquor licenses. Because I knew he was gonna say no. I always thought, I don't know, it just made me mad. I mean, the licenses, when it comes down to, unless your community has adopted a resolution against alcohol or tobacco, at that point, I mean, you're really, you're just signing the license. Some of these, if they had an outside consumption permit or if you've ever had a town where you've had problems, then that comes up. And then you start looking closely. But even at that point, it's more of a state-driven issue than it is a local issue, is that it? You can put, no, we had one in particular, we put restrictions on hours of operation, whether they could have music. They had a garage door that opened, which was nice for them, you know, air flow and stuff, until they had vans. Oh, the neighbors. Not happy. And so, yeah, so we ended up doing that and putting restrictions on hours. And yeah, so actually, when we had some problems, and the Likr inspector keeps coming, eventually you have to do something locally. Well, luckily, we get very few complaints, so. Yeah, no. So, liquor licenses are done. We have policy regarding road postings. So, this time of year, we start posting roads in regards to spring thaw, which looks like it's gonna happen Thursday. Yeah. So, this is, oh, so, yeah, so you had the 2021 policy here, and then I just updated, okay, sorry, I had to take a bath for a second. So, I updated your policy before. So, the policy regarding road postings we used to have on our prior year was from February 15th to April 30th. And so, the state letter that you see here, rule 118-4, had different, the only thing I changed was the dates. Basically, where it's saying November 15th to the December 31st and January 1st to May 15th. So, I just changed your policy to match rule 118-4. Yep. So, if you adopted it, obviously I changed the date at the bottom, this policy was adopted to be worn meeting on March 14th, 2022, if unless you have some changes. Does anybody have any issues with that, or are we good to approve as? You approve the policy regarding road postings? Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. I know overnight parking signs downtown this year. None went out this year, the sign I missed. The what? The signs that put on the poles that say no overnight parking. They had their park, I won't put up the parking permit requirement signs this year. No, these were signs that went on the telephone poles, power poles, and it says no overnight parking from such and such a date to such and such a date. Yeah, I think totally rule 15. I don't know. They usually go out every year. I know it doesn't keep reading the asset. So, they, well, first of all, if there are, we're not supposed to be putting them on the telephone poles, so that's a no, no. But I didn't know, so I don't know anything about it. I'll have to ask Allen about it. So next year, obviously. Yeah, I'll have to show everyone a bunch of them. Okay, no, I didn't, no. I think they're paper sign, I don't think, they're like a paper sign, they're not even a... So what did it say? Just no overnight parking from November 15th to April 15th, and really just for plowing. Or is it October 15th? I think it's November 15th. Yeah, that would make sense. November for plowing is no overnight street parking. Okay, so we should order some real signs and they should just go up, because you're not supposed to post them on paper pole. Anyway. Left time frame and then they come down. Okay, well, I'll ask them. Or you can put... I've seen signs of no parking if there's over two inches of snow or something. Yeah, so for them, they need them gone just because of the narrowness, but I'll ask Allen about it, what the deal is with signs, because, I don't know. And they shouldn't be, they'd have to be something not legally supposed to put signs on the telephone pole, so they should have to put something else up. So I'll have Allen take a look at what we have for signposts to out-pound and see where they're... Where's just me on the telephone pole? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because they're not supposed to do that. I'm surprised the telephone pole people didn't, you know, but they can tear them off. They're a temporary, we're all going to have a function of this. I'll ask Allen about it, because I don't know anything about it. I'll ask Allen and Kelly. Oh, sorry about that, I didn't know. So we'll find out where'd they go. So thank you. And then there's the H518 bill, which Theresa and I were talking about, was to establish federal fuel switching grant programs. So it was more so on the state setting up an assistance for municipalities to take advantage of upgrades or switching, you know, weatherization types things, projects, it's like a revolving loan type deal. Right, because it was like a two-part deal. Yeah, either low interest or no interest type loans. Yeah, because part of it is that we'll provide, I mentioned before, mentioned funding, which I didn't have a hammered out until I heard from Kirk White, provide funding to municipalities to replace heating systems with renewable energy systems in municipal buildings. Currently doesn't apply to what we're doing or need done, but then it does say and expand the state's energy revolving fund to help towns borrow money for cost saving energy improvements, which is what we want. And some of our cost saving energy improvements are putting a new roof on the town office and then obviously a lot of the work we're gonna do at the town garage is energy saving. So maybe there'd be a way to come up with a package deal as far as if there was some low interest or better interest financing, but currently the heating system at the town office and the town garage in here are nothing we're looking to replace right now because they're actually in not in pretty good shape. But anyway, so I did ask Kirk and he said that the bill made out of committee has strong support, but they're wrangling over some wording. So he does think a letter of support to the Senate might be helpful. So if that's something that you would like to do, then I can draft up and send a letter on your behalf to the Senate in support of each 510. Or we can just. I don't think it hurts us to send a letter. No, no, I don't think so either. No, no. All right. So we will. I mean, so the BAC, our participation in the redistricting and we have an impact on what happened with that, let writing our comments to the legislature. Good. All right. So we'll send him a letter to the Senate of support. We might want to look at the carbon reduction. For the with all, one of the reasons for the alternative energy is to reduce carbon. Carbon. Right. For us, we're just kind of in a, yeah. It's true. I mean, I can understand that. We're also, it's tough for us. Honestly, it's not that. We're just trying to get to the carbon footprint. We're just trying to get to the carbon footprint. That's the type of stuff. We're just looking at it. Let's get the new roof and the garage and the, yeah. The need is, you know, it's hemorrhaging heat right now is a problem. So, but you're right. And that'll be something to look at. But it's like, let's just see if they can get out the money first and then we'll see what our opportunities are. Let's get the bill passed and see what we can get. Yeah. So, yeah. There's also energy on it. So, we'll send a letter out for that. Town managers report. Is there anything that we didn't cover yet on that? So, by now, you have heard about our excellent news that we got the earmark for $600,000 for Sandhill. So, we had written the project. I was denied by either Leahy or Welch. I can't remember who first. And then I was delayed by the other. Then I was rejected by them. And then the third option was Sanders. So, and we kept tabs on it and worked through it. And then we finally, I got the call last week. I occasionally would email Haley Perrow from Senator Sanders office and be like, so are we still running? Who do we need to beg? What do we need to do? And she'd laugh. And then she called the other day and said, you know, would you be available to speak to the senator? And I was like, sure, do I have to pull? I was thinking I still had to sell them on the project again. And she's like, well, I don't want to steal. It's good news, she said. So, I gave her my number, but he got way late with other calls. So, I haven't heard from him, but I did reach out to her. And she emailed me back and said, I know Senator, I hope to call you personally to let you know that the Sand Hill and Stormwater Infrastructure Upgrade Project was included in the federal spending bill. Sorry, that didn't happen, but I'm glad you saw the news. She's just saying, we don't have many details yet, but the unofficial guidance they have so far is that it's agency dependent. So, once the Senate and House appropriate, once the spending bill passes, the Senate and House Appropriation Committees provide relevant agencies with a list of projects funded as congressionally directed spending requests. So, it says it's not an immediate process or disbursement of funds and can take several months. Originally, we had already thought that we'd probably include this in phase two of the water project, and that may work for us. Will agencies provide funding to recipients in full and a single award? That's also agency dependent. So, we'll find out. There's different gonna be reporting requirements and certain things, of course, it's an earmark, so they'll be ruled, but the good news is, it's an earmark, it's $600,000 and there is no match. So, that's great news. And I wanna say thank you to Chris because I had already called Rita, thanked her, to Rivers, she helped me do a map. She was the one who called me and said, can you drop everything you wanna write an appropriation request for? Well, there's someone I'm like, when's it due? She's like a couple of days, I'm like, sure. So, we did it. Chris had given me a number, he'd gone up and measured it, gave me a number for paving and taking off the pavement and adding gravel and all that. And then Tim Mills had done a whole thing on how much the storm water would be, what it would be for water and two hydrants. And so, it's a great project. So, between, you know, certainly Chris and Rita and Tim Mills, it worked out. And then, I did call Stan Capron. He was my first phone call, was their second phone call, I guess I called Chris. My second phone was Stan Capron and he's like, you did it. And I said, yes. I said, but, he's like, have you seen the road recently? I'm like, yes, I'm sorry. Is there anything left of it? Not much, so it's probably not gonna happen, you know, this year, cause until we find that one, we're gonna get the funding, but it's $600,000. And now we can do it, move forward with it. Yeah, and I think our price, once I had added an inflationary price, I think I came up at like $699. So, it's excellent news, I'm very excited about it. And hey. And so, this is basically where we paving and... This is, it's storm water and it's water. So, basically it'll go, so we'll do, not all the way to the town barrage as far as water replacement, also do bicentennial. Yeah, go to bicentennial. So, we'll upgrade all the water line in there and the storm water on that road is very old. And some of it actually goes out into people's lawns. We found some old wooden structures that over the years, people, road crews, they've just been basically filling cause they've collapsed a little bit. So, you know, it's, and the road also took a serious beating after Irene because it was the only access to another part of town. So, unfortunately, you know, probably should have gotten a lot of traffic and stuff to one of them. But anyways, so at least it's gonna help on the funding of the next phase. So, I'm very excited about that. Plus it's just one of those, you know, we just put it off way too long, you know. Oh. That probably should have been on the list, you know, a decade ago. Yeah. Really protects the people with the town trucks going, like very short, going back and forth. Absolutely. But I mean, now I mean, we're talking, you know, probably 80 plus percent, 80% of it would be funded, you know, through this. I mean, we're not gonna have to come up with, Yeah. You know, the full kit caboodle, like we thought we were gonna have to, so. Yeah, so it's, you know, so that's a good, that's nice for phase two. The other thing for phase two is obviously we're underway with phase two. We were at 80% complete on the drawings. So, and I had negotiated our easement deal with the Adams so that we can put in that pump station. That's something that Tim had talked to Dick and Pat about and we finalized that deal. So that's done. I still have some more easements to do, but you know, we have time, but we wanted to get a couple of these things, you know, taken care of. So certainly it puts us in the position that we wanted to be in, which was with COVID money and other money coming into the state. If you have to be, if we have to be shovel ready for a project, we're gonna be. And that's where we need to be. We need to be poised for that. And so we did the right thing by borrowing more money from the planning grant from the state, the DWSRF to move forward was the right call. And we're still waiting for funding packages right now. But we're still on the priority list. So, you know, we're in a good position there. So as I like to tell you, we have our handout in every circle. And so the other thing on here was two rivers and mountain escutney prevention partnership would like to know if you're interested in pursuing an ordinance to address recommendations made in the town plan. So as you could see, that was her email, was in the town plan, it said, recommendation is the town should consider ordinances and other regulations prohibiting use and disposal of tobacco, tobacco substitutes, vaping products of marijuana cannabis on town owner, town lease property, or outdoor events open to the public. Currently, our facility use policy only prohibits smoking here at town hall, Peaveyne Park and the band shell. And a big issue for us had been at the rec area and other places in town where people were, maybe where people were smoking and they weren't on either their own property or their work property and just disposing of cigarette butts and Deetre had been cleaning up a lot of them at the rec center. So I did ask Deetre if the slack board was in favor of moving forward with an ordinance, would she be willing to work with two rivers and mountain escutney prevention partnership to draft the ordinance? And she said she would. But before I had her put any time into it, I wanted to make sure that you all would be in support of that. It helps us work out, address some issues in the town plan, which is nice. What about alcohol? Alcohol is already prevented everywhere. You already have an ordinance on that. Okay, I had one. Yep, yep, no, you already have an ordinance on that. No open container a lot and there's an open container a lot in the... I don't see why we wouldn't extend it to other town properties. I don't know why we wouldn't either. It's already the ban shell and pee vine. Why not make it the rec center? Yeah, and especially too, if you can't smoke where you work, people are using other properties. And there was a question too, which I didn't know the answer to. Or some people had talked about, they don't want people necessarily smoking on the sidewalks. And I don't know. I would be interested to see what Mount Ascutton prevention, because that's what I'm thinking. It's public, it's a public way, but if you have several people standing on the sidewalk, you know, smoking, I don't know, I was... Some of them take a look at enforcement and you're gonna have to hire three more policemen. And they're gonna have to work 20 hours a day. Right, that's a good point. So maybe just stick with the town. So why not do something that you can't control? Yeah, yeah. No, someone had asked me about it, actually, about, said, you know, when kids are walking to school, should businesses that don't provide a smoking area have employees out on the sidewalk smoking and then kids have to walk through it? And I'm like, oh, it's still a public... Yeah, I was unsure. One of that is at GW, for example, they have no smoking on their property period, so people tend to go out onto the sidewalk or across the road. Yeah, so it's kind of a... But it's, you know, like kind of growing up when, you know, my parents and everybody's parents smoked, you know, it seemed like, when I was growing up, like smoking was like a... Yeah, everybody's... It was a thing, right? And, you know, you don't see it quite as much now and I don't tend to see as much of it going on or, you know, even, you know, I don't... But vaping is included in this and that. But I don't, I mean, even if you could, like Dave was saying, I don't even think we have the means to enforce it at this point, right? So it'd be kind of making something that, you know, that you're not gonna be able to enforce. So we'll stick with town-owned property. Well, like, Lindley was saying, if we already have it on certain spots in town, why not include the other two or whatever? And two, and it's... Yeah, so this would be an ordinance also. So all right, that's fine. So I'll let her know that we're just looking for... Just add those locations to the ordinance. Well, no, the ordinance, you don't have a... The only, what you have now is a facility use policy. I think this would be... Oh, if you're going to rent it, right? Right. So this is more of a, this is definitely an ordinance. So what I'll tell her is you're interested in public-owned lands, but not like public rights away. Right. It says outdoor events open to the public. So I could be down in the ball field, for example, even though it's not time-owned property. Right. And schools there, that fall under smoking and stuff would fall under the school. Yeah, I'd imagine the school's policy is no smoking. So we'll just say... So we'll just say... Really? It doesn't happen in school ever? Yeah. So I think that the policy point is it has to be publicly-owned, or town, town of Bethel-owned, or town, yeah, town-owned property, not school. The school wants it, they can do that. Yeah. Not school and not public. It's in the Rockfields and National, you know, that's an umbrella. Right. Okay. That would include the town hall, the man at your office, and the... And are you saying... Oh, well. Yeah. Garage. Right? I mean, and that's a good point because we currently have employee people that do smoke. So you're right. So if you, if we went to an ordinance that talked about town property, specifically, then... It would go across the street to smoke. That's right, yeah. So that's... Where's the visa at? How do you, how do you feel about that? I think the library is supposed to be out of the public. Bro. We're going to go to the alcohol thing. Yeah, so... I mean, I think that the general consensus of the public is the smoking is next. And we've already done it most everywhere. So based, so there would be no smoking at any, any town on property, so no smoking at the town garage, no, nothing. Okay. Yeah, but that also gets into... Does that get into the... That would get into like P-Bind Park and stuff too, wouldn't that? Oh, they can't smoke trash, anyways. Okay, so... That's already... We already fit that, so... Yeah. Okay. But the only thing here, if you said that is, you know, that would affect things, let's say P-Bind Park or an outdoor, you know, park. And it currently says that P-Bind Park, currently for the facility use policy, the ordinance already says that they can't, people can't smoke at P-Bind Park. And I think there's signs up. So this would include the base, so we would move... So this would be everything. This would be the town manager's office. Obviously, no one's gonna smoke there. You're gonna hit by a car if you stand out there. The town hall, you know, property the town hall's on, the pump houses, the sewer plant, the, you know, so all town-owned properties. It'd be just like no smoking on the school campus, right? Same thing. The interesting part is some of those people who have been told not to go out on the sidewalk and smoke at GW and get in their car and they come down here or over to P-Bind Park. Or over to P-Bind Park. Right, and this parking lot isn't here, it's in the town hall. The town park, municipal parking lot, I'm not sure you could, that's more of a public right away, so I guess we wouldn't exclude that, but certainly the rec area, so. But again, it goes back to enforcement. How are you gonna really enforce it? Right, but at least if we have it there, then people can put up sign. I know the rec committee was doing a sign for the rec area and I think that they do have some no smoking signs up there. And you know, people do ignore them, but at least it'll be there and then you could update the facility use policy after you, you know, to adhere to the ordinance. I think when it comes to enforcement, some of it is more about the moment when there's a lot of kids around or there's an event and if somebody's smoking, you can say, look, there's no smoking policy and you kind of have grounds even if you're not an actual enforcement person. When we say no smoking, do we have to get in, do we have to define what smoking is? Or is that already predefined? I think that they will in more sense, yeah. You know, tobacco substitutes, vaping products and marijuana cannabis, pretty much covers it all. So that would cover snub and chewing tobacco. Yeah, tobacco substitutes. Okay, so we will, well, and the good thing is too, is they're gonna work to draft it and obviously you'll be able to make changes. They'll see what they come up with and you can edit it to what you think. So we will move forward with that. That's it for Town Manager's report. Okay. And select board meeting minutes from the 28th of February. Any questions in regards to those? Are we good to approve them as they're written? Motion to approve is written. Second. Jalen Bainberg. Okay. All right. Other communications, there was quite a bit in there. We had the official voting results. I just want to say I tried my hardest to dethrone Linley, but only got one right in. So she luckily, luckily beat me by 162 votes. So we'll give it to her one more time. That's all that you have to do. Yeah, yeah. So all the official results are there in the packet. You might still have a job out of them. Linley, see? School board? School board. Oh yeah. Oh, the Arikoma paper said they would assume that you'd be... Oh, I know. Oh, yeah? See that? They tell you? Oh, you're the heir of parents? Yeah. What's the challenge is because they allow both towns to vote in a town to vote for the other town's candidates, then it brings in that minimum. So had enough for Bethel, but wouldn't have enough to put the two towns together. I didn't realize that afterwards. I didn't realize that either. Both towns combined. And all kinds of friends in Royalton. I could throw them some votes in there, but whatever. So I think they're meeting tomorrow night. So they'll probably be going through their appointments and we'll have to advertise for an appointment for that chair seat, I would think so. And I think Royalton, did they have one board seat that didn't get filled either? Yeah, so yeah, one, yeah, this is two. It's so molecular. All those people beat down the door to try to get in, you know. So those official results are there as well as there was, I saw the EIC committee had their stuff in there. So on the EIC minutes, that whole section about Laura talking about the war and guarding the reporting forms for constable net. Is that something we should do? Yeah, I don't know. I had done... You're going closer? Well, the equity inclusion committee had done a really, had done an excellent job and they had gone through the reporting that we had in the, that Oscar had provided. And I gave it to Oscar because they had done a really nice job saying, hey, here's some ideas. Here's where we think that they had some averages and it really threw the numbers off. So I did give all that to Oscar and I spoke to Oscar last week and said, hey, did you get that email that I sent you? And he said, yes. And I asked him if he'd made any adjustments. Yeah, and he said, no, he hadn't, he'd been out on medical leave. So he hadn't had time to go through and address some of the issues, but he had looked at it and said they had some good points and there were some things in there he thought he could change. And that was a while ago. That was the round they'd given us before. But I haven't heard from Laura about what reporting... I know she's probably talking about the one that the state police use. And so they were switching for a while. They were using Spillman. And then I had thought they were gonna change over from Spillman to, oh snap, what's the other name of the reporting? So I'm not really sure which one they're talking about, but Rita's here, maybe she can answer. There was another one we had gotten from the previous constable. Mark. From Mark. And it was a form that the state was requiring law enforcement to give them and broke down by all sorts of different categories. Absolutely, yep. Numbers of stops and ages and racial background. Which Oscar does, do you? And the goal was to look at racial disparity. And it was the state that required it. And I think Mark had sent us one of those filled out forms. So it's a lot more detailed as far as that. Because I did pull every ticket that Oscar and Justin wrote for the last two years. And through the judicial bureau. And I did get all the data. And it does report when he went through the judicial bureau, any ticket he wrote or warning that he wrote, I got all the data. And it definitely shows that he has to report raise. He has to report all that. So my assumption is, is that what Laura had given, Tabitha was just the reporting that was in that packet. Which wasn't great. Which most of the stuff that he gives us in the packet has to be, you know, there's a confidentiality piece of it. So there's probably another piece that goes to the judicial and that we don't see, right? Or the public doesn't see. So I see that. So I'm assuming that we're just waiting. Sounds like Laura or somebody from the equity inclusion will be bringing this information forward and asking for more comprehensive data. So I think what we'll end up doing is putting Oscar in the equity and inclusion committee together. And having Oscar go to an EIC meeting. And then he's the one who drafts software. He knows what the state rules are. And then they can go through it and sit down and host. Because they had done a lovely job giving him some good feedback on his software. But he also is better to answer these questions directly than going through the board. So once I hear from Laura, we'll put them together and they'll work out something together that will be good. Are we the general public or are we an official body that would have reason to have access to what's going on in Bethel? If it goes into our packet, it's public. So anything that's in our packet that we review. Okay. Unless it's been labeled an executive session type thing is public. So that's, and I don't know what the difference would be between what we would receive and what maybe the courts would get that would be different. Because he does collect, he has to collect. The website has all the data. Yeah, he has to collect all the data. He has to collect race and dates and all that. So my understanding is that I think that the reporting he gave us that I put in the select board packet is just reporting that I had Kelly pull off from spider data. He probably is collecting all the data. I mean, I know he's collecting all the data because he has to adhere to the laws. So it's probably just the reporting that we pulled off that spider data isn't giving just wasn't showing maybe exactly what the equity and inclusion committee is looking for. But I also think that they, like I said, they had some excellent points where his data needs to be refined. And I think that just putting Oscar together with the equity and inclusion committee to say, hey, thanks for pointing this stuff out. Let's fix it. And I've only used spider data to some extent and I'm not as well-versed at it as he is, but he would have to do this. We're made the same reporting as Spillman. And at one point I think he collected more data than the state even required. So I was probably a clumsy attempt to provide everybody what they were looking for. Maybe there's better reporting and I just didn't pick the right ones. It's interesting to me that the website, the state website includes no data for the last two years from Bethel. Oh, that is weird. Cause we have it all. Now, whether he's filing it as a Royalton, I don't know, but there is no data for two years. Let's all have to ask him because like he said, I just pulled all of his tickets, his and Justin's for the last two years. I just got all that information from the judicial bureau and I got everything. All the race, the stops, the dates, the whole enchilada. So I'll ask him cause I don't know what it is. Anyway, we take that to judicial branch has the information. Yeah, so why isn't it on the website? So it's on the, although it's great, it's on the VSP website doesn't have it. I don't remember the link. Okay, I'll find out. I can ask Oscar. Oh, and do you know the link for that? I checked on the VSP site. I wasn't able to find what I was looking for. Yeah, I can send you guys the links. It's from the state website. Oh, the VCJC. Yeah. It's the Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council. Okay, I can find out why they're missing it. Okay, I'll talk to, I'll get ahold of Oscar this week and find out why our stuff isn't up there because it should have. Read and write. Yeah. I mean, from the notes, it says that Bethel's one of two towns in the state who's reporting was not in compliance. So, I mean, does that just mean that it's not showing up on that website? I mean, I find it hard to believe that we're not in compliance, but. Hey, find out. Because obviously there has been things that have gone through the judicial system so that information is there or maybe it's not being reported correctly. I'll find out. Get to the bottom of it and find out. That was a concern. It is a legitimate concern, absolutely. So let me find out from Oscar what's going on as to what, why is it not? And then, like I said, I think we should, well, we'll put the two of them together because they had some great insights before and Oscar was appreciative. He'd looked through it and said they had some great points and he was gonna look at the software, so. But we'll find out. And there was also info in there from the BRTS. Was there anything else that came out of the BRTS that you guys didn't talk to us about last time or? We are going to hit new thing is, I do, it's always a man who has made contact with the state of the month. I don't know if you remember the name of the acronym, but there may be a way to start taking some construction debris. Nice. I'm gonna see if we can get something going on that because of the potential monetary loss or not doing that. Yeah, and there might be limitations. So it would be more of the big players that do a lot of construction debris as opposed to the smaller households. So it's sort of still in the works and they're gonna hopefully do a trial run within the next week or so with a few people to just see, can we do it? Can we make it work? More to be decided. Excellent. That'd be great. And the REC committee had stuff in there. And the REC committee, section E, they were talking about fundraising with IOBY, what is IOBY, do we know? Yes, so it's undecided yet because we received an email. I received an email from Lindsey. Oh, is that right? And she sent a nice email asking about it. It's kind of, for lack of a better, it's like a go fund me type thing. So I had asked her for more information, told her that one of the things that they need is I explained that the town of Bethel is not a 501 C3. So we need to get what's called a governmental informational letter which we've requested from the IRS. So that's gonna take a little bit to get but one of the things I had talked to her about was saying, we have shied away from these things in the past because we have to give somebody our tax ID number. Where's the money gonna come into? Is it gonna get, we can't funnel it into the general fund checking account. How's that gonna work? So we had asked for more information and then I had asked her to get a hold of PAM and to talk to PAM about it because there are ways, sometimes what you can also do through this site is maybe register your project so you take, so people can mail checks to you and not necessarily do like an electronic, use their credit card. So there are some options here. We were just trying to do a little, get a little bit more information. Yeah, I had neither and it was, yeah it was, and it was I lobby. So that was the, so they're still hashing it out. Okay. So also then the Bethel Council and the arts had their music schedule in here and then there's the finances are in here. I think that covers everything that was in your packet. Any questions on that? Any question on the solid ways to report page? On the budget? Page one of two. Okay, yeah. Solid waste budget. Yeah. Legal. Yep. That is. Is that just misposting maybe? Or is that? No. We had a lot of legal things this. Yeah. Okay. So it's the, Lord, that's what I think of. A little employee, a lot of credit. The line of credit. Thank you. I was like, what's the word I want? Thank you. Line of credit. Personal issues. And had some personal issues, but also negotiating the line of credit and stuff. So yeah, so those are legit expenses. All right. Anything else to come before the board this evening? We do have an executive session that we will enter into after to go over some annual evaluation stuff. Therese. But as far as the public meeting goes, anybody has anything else for public meeting? All right. It's Jen. Yeah? Hi. I just was wondering, and I was a little late to the meeting. I'm sorry. I'm upset and have to come in through Zoom, but who actually owns the transfer station? Whose building is it? It's the town of Bethel and the town of Royalton. We own the facility jointly. Kasella, we have a contract with Kasella currently. They come in, we have a two-part contract. One is that they bring, they haul their trash there and they also to haul our stuff out. So we bill them for what they bring in. And then, so we get paid for that. They also have equipment that's there. We lease equipment from them to run the transfer station. They do all of our hauling for trash removal, cardboard, glass, food scraps, that sort of thing. Okay, it's town of Bethel and the town of Equally? Actually, it's run by fees. So the whole point of the transfer station is that we make enough money so that no town contributes. There's alliance towns. So all of the alliance towns contribute an annual fee to be part of the White River Alliance. So that's Bethel, Royalton, Pittsfield, Barnard, et cetera, Stockbridge. So everybody pays an annual fee to be part of it. But then we try to raise enough money and fees so that no town actually, so that Bethel nor Royalton has to support it with taxpayer dollars. Transfer station's budget. That's, yeah. It's not a ton of Bethel or a ton of Royalton budget. It's just the transfer station's budget that they operate on based on the income from the fees and the alliance fees. So can we actually approve that budget? Actually, the BRTS board approves there, comes up with their budget every year by October per the interlocal agreement. So they present their budget and then the towns of Slack boards of Bethel and Royalton Select Board just approve the budget that the BRTS board drafted. So what if the part where you go over the scale and things like that? Yeah. Was it because the building was inspected? Is that what happened? Yep, we were actually, yes, the transfer station was being looked at because there was some issues with one of, with the buildings, they were trying to create a capital plan for buildings to look towards the future. And once an RFP was created and a structural engineer came in, they looked at that building and said, no, it's unsafe. So once we knew that it became a liability, so we had to close it and are working now towards finding alternatives. I think that with all of this plastic now that's coming into our world, I feel like that used to be looked at. We saw a lot more trash. Nowadays that's going in with the plastic, plastic wrapping and things like that, I feel like we need to start looking at other places to create another dump. Because I think we're gonna run out of space there eventually. So there's currently not a landfill there. Your landfill was closed. There's very few open landfills left in Vermont, the state, agency of natural resources frowns on that. So currently, so the transfer station is what we have. We don't bury any trash there. Basically it's a pass-through. People come in, their trash is there, their recycling is there, and then just transfers it from one point to another. So it's probably going to, my guess is it's going to Coventry. The landfills that Cassella operates. So the best thing to do as far as people's concern about plastic is of course, more recycling. So just something real quick. I do, I am concerned with the amount of salt that's being put on our roads. I live right here on Mills Drive as well now. And the bottom part that we go out and throw out is so heat that it's pregnant. And I feel like there's just a large amount of salt being put on the roads and there's really no dirt being used. Then the salt heat will go by the salt truck and then some of them else will come back and throw them flat off. We watch it storm after storm after storm. It's been going on for quite a few years. So I just would like someone to look at the amount of salt that's being put on the roads that some of these style signs and things like that. I would like to encourage a little bit more of a mixture of dirt and salt. Because the dirt doesn't ruin our water, the salt does. And having a major river flowing through our town, I feel like we're impacting the environment with the amount that we're putting on. That's just my personal opinion. I do care a lot about the environment. So I do look at the things that we're putting out there and the usage and stuff. I would like to see about doing something on the energy committee. I'll stop and visit with you as to what that looks like. But I would like to see some salt reduction on our road base, maybe create, but I think it's a little bit more environmentally friendly. Okay, so. We'll definitely take that under advisement and look at that. And we actually cut our salt usage back by almost half about two years ago. So we are using more sand in certain areas but may not be in your area. Because she lives on a paper. Yeah, so we'll take a look at it and as far as the energy committee, if you're interested, my advice is to go to the town website and find out when the next energy committee meeting is. I know that they do meet by Zoom and certainly attend a meeting. We always encourage people to attend a couple of meetings. And then you can see if it's something you're interested in joining. And then if you are, you send a letter of interest to the town and the select board can appoint you to a committee. But we always encourage you to attend first and just make sure it's what you know what you're getting into. But we appreciate it because we're looking for volunteers. The energy committee meets on the second Tuesday evening at six o'clock. And so I would encourage you to go to that. The Bethel Conservation Committee is another committee that is concerned about the environment. All right. And just to plug, if you are interested, if you know about Bethel University, there will be a gathering of people concerned about the environment and climate change. It's on that, the Bethel U website. So I would invite you to come to that. Thank you. Anything else to come before the board before we enter into executive session? Okay. So we just need a motion to enter executive session to discuss the annual evaluation of town manager. Nope? Nope, at the end. No, well, yeah, I'll get, I'll get to resell the information at the end on because we'll go into executive session and then we'll exit executive session back into public session. We won't be taking up any, anything in public session in them. You know, then we will adjourn the meeting then. Okay. In favor? Who was, who was the first? I heard Lindley. Lindley just moved it. Oh. We don't have two seconds. You have every other motion. Oh, it's you. Sleeping.