 Okay, we're gonna call to order the City of Longmont Transportation Advisory Board meeting for January 9th 2023 Let's do a roll call, please Taylor Wicklin here David McInerney present Steve Lainer present Diane Chris Chair you have a quorum Great, thank you We were going to approve the minutes of the preceding meeting in December of 2022 But we did find there were three things that we want to have changed the reference to chairperson McInerney rather than board member Taylor instead of Tyler and sorry for laughing and Also, I think there was an addition of a verb in one of the sentences related to the boulder speed limit question that Board member McInerney brought up so we will move on to Communications from staff Great. Good evening everyone. My name is Phil Greenwald transportation planning manager with the city I just wanted to let you know that on your desk tonight is a new bike map for 2023. We still have a number of bike maps from last year, so we are going to try to get rid of those Still they're still pretty pretty good, but we think We have these in our hand at the beginning of the year. This is wonderful this is the way we'd like to do it every year and Have them ready for spring when the bike season really kind of takes off and We'll have them ready then, but we were are trying to Kind of distribute what we have out there right now as we can but if you have any questions or comments about the bike map Please let us know Ben Ortiz put that together. He's in the front row here waving and so just a thanks for to Ben for Forget that that done in a timely fashion here before we actually we're able to pay for it before the end of the year So that was always a good thing to with budget Other items Did you have anything Jim I? Think that's it for our items from staff, but thank you very much Great. Thank you Phil and we'll go ahead and see if there's any public that would like to be heard today Okay I believe that our Information item for the regional electric vehicle plan. She's still delayed in traffic. Is that correct? That is correct Sir, would we like to move then to just the action plan for the proposed work plan? In lieu of that and then we can when she does arrive then we can go over her presentation Perfect. We'll try to stretch this out for you here a little bit But not too much. Okay So last meeting in December We did ask you to give us some feedback on the work plan We did put it in that that packet so we appreciate the feedback that we received at the time We did make those corrections. It doesn't look very pretty right now, but it will once once we get it Kind of to the next level of adoption here once you as a board Consider it and we'll consider it with any amendments that you might have as well So it's really broken into a couple different sections here four sections The first section being a more of a regional idea of how we work regionally with this with this group with the Transportation Advisory Board so we have the The countywide projects through Boulder County that it's just kind of an ongoing thing We we try to bring them in and we can And if you have specific things that you'd like to hear from Boulder County Let us know if you've heard other things that are going on We can certainly kind of pinpoint those See dots the same way they they have a bunch of different things going on right now We're kind of focused on the I-25 and 119 Park and Ride, which is kind of a big deal for this area as well as the State Highway 66 over to Maine that's getting into that's past the design stage now So we're getting into the construction phases of that and we're going after some tip projects for that You'll see tip in here transportation improvement program Projects under dr. Cog so that's the next one on there But we that one really talks about regional transportation plan updates and vision zero program updates So again ongoing pieces if you have any again specific interest in any of those we can bring them back Individually we're also doing vision zero at the city level. So this might be a good tie-in to bring them in for some of those efforts but Kind of missing from here and we are still working on it We thought we'd kind of be done in 2022 with a lot of the information For the transportation improvement program projects, but we are in call number four Which is the last call of this four-year cycle and it is stretching into 2023 here So we will be back in front of you and I'll just add that in here to make sure that we're tracking but we do have some projects that we'll be going for and Once we get the applications in we will have more information to you about Kind of where we're at as far as applications and scoring and all those good things Next one on the list is the flex ridership and service levels. We usually do that in quarter number three You saw those most fairly recently So we'll be back in quarter number three of next year to tell talk to you a little bit more about the ridership the service levels and then how much we pay To those to that group to keep that transit service going between Lama birthed loveland and for Collins as well as there's a trip to Boulder But we can't really get on that bus. We've talked about that a little bit Speaking of RTD sort of We'll be talking to them as well. There's a peak service study That's coming forward. Oh, I should have brought the as a staff update We should have chatted a little bit about some open houses that are coming toward the end of this Month and I'll get those to you in a in an email format, but at the end of this month, they are going to do some open houses ones in gun barrel and then ones in I Believe it's in Westminster So there's two opportunities to To go to those meetings obviously our gun barrel one is probably the most Proximate to where we are for for long mile. We did try to get it into Longmont, but They've kind of segmented it up I'll get those details. I should have those by the end of the meeting to for you to report in publics So more publicly as those dates and times Are already out there, so I do want to share that with you. Oh I had a quick question Excuse me on that study. Do they have an idea or I should say a desire deadline as to when they're going to have that ready. I Believe it's at the end of the year By the time they wrap everything up. I'm just going to go over my calendar really quick and just share those dates with you So you have them? Again and more of the public format, but let's see Yeah, so the the first meeting is going to be Tuesday Which is great because that's our council typically our council night, but Tuesday January 31st starting at five o'clock going to seven o'clock at the Hampton Inn in Suites in North they say north boulder, but it's 63 33 look out road. So that's come barrel The second meeting is at the Westminster City Park recreation Center and That will also start at 5 p.m. End at 7 p.m. On Thursday the 2nd of February so Folks like who don't live in town. I'll look over my friend Ben That's at the Westminster City Park recreation Center 10 455 shared in Boulevard in Westminster. So again 5 to 7 and Those are the two public events that we'll have on or that RTD is going to have on that Okay, that works out well for us So no council meeting that night, but it's a lawnmower housing authority meeting Also with RTD just the ongoing idea of working with them and getting the Intergovernmental agreement going and ready for first in Maine the transit station that we've been talking about for years and years and Finally getting to the next stage in that with also the TOD the transit oriented development planning and construction and We can cross-off infrastructure master plan that has been completed. So that's good We always are talking about the bus rapid transit project along Colorado State Highway 119 as well That's an ongoing project and you'll see more coming out of that as we move forward into Higher levels of design and getting into construction on that There's some exciting news there. We'll share with we'll share that with you maybe Have them come in and share some of that news that they are getting funding for that project So it is starting to piecemeal the funding together very slowly and surely but they are getting funding federal funding for that at different levels And also in quarter number two week. Well, we'll probably bring them forward with the well. This is going to be more of a Boulder County option or Peace we say RTD it was RTD and now it's kind of shifted into Boulder County. So I'm gonna have to move that one The 287 BRT study that's turned into more of a vision zero Safety study at this point. So they've got the routes Where the bus rapid transit needs to go on that corridor and then Boulder County is now taking over the piece of safety along that corridor So we'll want to move that Move that for you in the next iteration of this schedule But we'll be back Those will have public outreach events as well. So We'll bring it to TAB as well as share the public those public outreach events with you and the citizens We also talked about Quarter number two. We always have RTD come and the whole staff comes and you get the almost the two-hour download from RTD about what's going on kind of the state of the system Report from them. So that'll be coming typically in April is when we do that, but we'll see how that goes And then just continually ongoing the evaluate the system and potential improvements for local regional colon ride service Review that ridership data just to make sure we're on track with that ridership. Usually that's given to us in that quarter two analysis as well, so That's what we're doing regionally. Is there anything that's been left off by staff that you would like to see added as a regional effort We think we've covered them all those probably a Weld County piece here that's Might be interesting as far as we do do. We do do we do tip projects into In the Weld County group as well. So there's a sub regional Boulder County and there's a sub regional Weld County so maybe one of the things that you would want to see as Weld County a little bit more involvement with that as we were involved with them quite a bit Any comments on that first section Okay, Phil Are they going to review the bus routes in Longmont? Cherlene and board member Chris, they are going to they've actually done a review and I believe we heard this in April where they outlined the basic New routes that they're gonna add to Longmont in the local bus system so that's really meant to tie in with the first domain opening and We so we probably won't see those actually become active until first domain is open which we're hoping is By 2025 or in 2025 so it's it's still a ways out there two years now. So we're getting a little closer, but that's the planned implementation timeline I Know one of the pieces of feedback we received in the Last public outreach that we did I think that was in November Mayor Peck was very Enthusiastically encouraging people to ride buses and there was concern that a lot of times the buses don't go where people Need to ride them too. So so I just wondered if there's going to be any Any additional service before 2025 on buses? And then RGD has Indicated that they were they will they are working toward that end, but it's going to be mostly on the regional system So it'd be between here in Denver's where you'll see the Increase in buses if there's any the local system will wait they will wait on that until first domain is complete Yeah, okay, so for the next section we really focus more on our planning efforts the Envision Longmont and them What we were calling the multimodal transportation implemented implementation plan This year we're moving forward with what's called the TMP or the transportation mobility plan So that's going to be an update to that section of Envision Longmont, which is the comprehensive plan for the city And so this element will be the transportation focus and we hope to start going out for bids and proposals first quarter of this year end of the first quarter of this year and Once we're done with all the transportation improvement program Applications in January our plan is to move into into February with the real request for proposals for that And you'll see there that it's transportation mobility plan for first quarter And it really is to update that whole transportation section put a lot of the We had called them enhanced multi-use corridor emux that plan the Main Street corridor master planning process that plan the roadway master plan Put them all into one effort and really coordinate it all and try to come up with Priority prioritizing the actual projects that need to go into the capital improvement program Which is the next thing on the list? We'll certainly take comprehensive plan and land use amendments to you as well and Against again the enhanced multimodal plan incorporates with that TMPP so we've outlined that here to kind of be more clear about that the capital improvement program that's more in Jim's world of actually building things so It's good to have the engineers come in and do that annual review with you And so we will bring that to in quarter two with the Kennedy projects for the capital improvement program And then give you an idea of what the current 2023 CIP projects are so you can kind of see what is out there for upcoming Projects and give you a chance to weigh in on what you'd like to see for capital improvement projects for the next round of that anything that I miss there yep and So You'll see the busway Coffin Street busway on there other studies bicycle pedestrian elements of the CIP So those all be reviewed as as needed The other piece is the other piece other Basically working on your TAB work plan We're doing that now. We'll also do that in the fourth quarter We'll do the annual report again like we did in December and those are just kind of those are just things we cycle in The 2023 budget for first quarter that we really need to start talking about those budget items so that you can weigh in on some of that as well That's that's different than the CIP portion of the budget So we'll do operations and transportation system management pieces with that Bicycle code not sure really what that is but that's always us talking about the different laws that are out there What we really want to do this year is get some information to folks about The new stop law that's out there so we can get that to the drivers as well as the bicyclists because We want people to understand what the laws are out there one idea is that we Work with our communications team and get that out there more of the Billing statements and those kind of things so that we can Help people understand what's going on with that Grant funding obviously we always are looking at those different things and take those to you as we as we get them One grand opportunity that's coming up very soon, and we'll talk more about this is we've got a We're gonna go for the raise grant again. I can't tell you what raise stands for but it's a great acronym. I'm sure that That it really is it was originally Tiger then it was build and then it was raised So every new administration Renames it, but it's all the same dollars federal dollars for larger projects We're looking for 25 million dollars to help us with the 119 and hover intersection as well as some other elements of the Colorado 119 bikeway So you'll see underpasses on there as well as the underpass we have planted over in 119 Crash report quarter number three hopefully this time. We'll see how that goes We're hoping that the data Is cleaner and we can get it it's more easier easily access than this this last year Quiet zones will certainly want to update you on that and if you have any questions about that, let us know traffic safety fund That's our our program of where we the tickets all have a surcharge on them every moving violation Has a ticket or has a has a cost to it that goes into the traffic safety fund So we'll want to talk to you about where those dollars should go and how we should spend those Then your annual meeting is always now the the first meeting in July so that you can vote for your Chair vice chair Because that's when you do your that's when we have new appointments to the board is in July So we're off schedule a little bit. We'll also do our annual meeting and we'll talk about the posting of Where your posting is? raised grant definition rebuilding American American infrastructure with sustainability and equity so There you go City design standards we're actually working on those this year, so you'll see some information on that in one way or another The overall city-wide bike and pedestrian plan that's going to be incorporated into the TMP as well Same frame greenway updates We just want to keep you apprised of the closures and detours especially as we start to build on the or start construction on the Boston Avenue bridge over the over the same brain, which should be happening later this year earlier early this year And so we'll we'll just need to keep you keep everybody apprised of what's going on there The sugar mill and steam project That one's almost done actually so we may bring a final report to you on that Hopefully next month or the month after EV infrastructure so Electric vehicles would like to talk a little bit about that tonight. So that's a great Probably segue into that but we'll we'll still need you to make a recommendation on this on this list Congestion benchmarks are pretty much outdated at this point. We don't really talk about them anymore So we need to kind of come up with a different way of looking at that was one way to To stall growth, I guess or stop growth if the congestion from a project was so much that it Kind of blew up it blew up Affected an intersection so much that it couldn't operate efficiently So we would measure and we'd use the benchmarks to stop stop development if we needed to and that's only happened once Since I've been here in 23 years The local microtransit model and vision zero will bring those to you at the end of the year Vision zero just because we need to start working with the action plan once we get the transportation mass mobility plan, excuse me moving Then we'll start going into the idea of trying to develop an action plan for vision zero at that point and local microtransit model is really looking at different ways in the private sector to Provide transit to our citizens and we've got some pretty aggressive goals on that So that'll be in the transportation mobility plan as well Neighborhood traffic mitigation program is ongoing We bring those to you as needed. We'll probably have a pretty significant outreach piece on 3rd Avenue this year You'll see the meetings that will we're going out to those citizens and that that neighbor those neighbors as well For a lot of that. So we'll keep you updated on that There's always other neighborhood traffic mitigation program We usually try to get those to you as a staff update as we bring those through and I think we talked about a couple months ago gay street as part of that program north of 15th and Then I think finally I think it's the last one on the list as the operating budget and that local bus fare buyout What we'd like to do is come to you usually in quarter number three But it's going to be probably more like quarter number four at this point. We're just now getting the The the actual information from RTD to you know today basically is We've got the package to go in front of City Council to continue those free fares for 2023 So that's kind of how long it takes from once we talk about it in quarter number three or four To when we actually start implementing it. So with that Certainly want to turn it over to you and have you Fill on the blanks or take things out as you see fit for the for the plan Thank you Any questions from the board? No, I I think we can table this and move on to the the EV presentation would be okay to ask for a motion to approve This is an action item on your agenda. I just want to yeah, no absolutely if there are no questions, maybe No, I think that's a good good segue Phils Yeah, Phil I'm looking at the row labeled for other and Then two rows below that. There's a reference to 2022 budget items does that Intended to be there. No, it's not should be 2023. Thank you. Okay That actually moved to 2024 because we're asking you for the next the next year. Sorry Well, I would imagine with that correction would we like to Get a motion to approve. I so move Phil I just want to add I know there's some I can't find the line item now, but There's conversation in here about Micro movements within the city and and I didn't mean to put you on the spot about RTD It's just that at the November meeting RTD didn't get a chance to respond to the idea that you know There need to be more bus service in town and so I'm just wondering is there a specific idea of how we will have more Transportation within the city particularly, you know, as we know on the east side of town, there's There's some real gaps there in service Yeah board member Chris. I don't know We didn't get a chance to we don't we're not Doing a lot of details on this yet because it's very amorphous at this point But what we're talking about is how do we fill in the gaps that are in our TD system the local bus system? So it's exactly kind of what you're Discussing is how do we do that? And we've looked at some other models around this around the country and There's a there's a real positive one that we're seeing for we call it micro transit It's smaller vans six-person eight-person vans or smaller buses But they they're operated by a private company and so it's contracting with a private company It's it's very similar to the shelter program. We have with Lamar where we Contract with them to put the shelters up We're the ones who are Operating the contract, but they're the ones doing all the work as far as they put this You know, they build the shelter or they buy the shelters they put the shelters up They do get advertising for them. So that does help offset the costs for them We need to find out how we would could offset the cost for the micro transit model But they they would provide the drivers the equipment the routing But they would be based on on a scope of work that we would put together so we'd be very specific about what we were what we're looking for and We'll have You know as as this develops we can provide more of that information to the to the board here, but that's the general model And we can send you more information the model. We were looking at there's one example There's there's a lot of different examples around the country. It's not just one but the one we're looking at is called via transportation Services And we can send you more information about that as well, but there's a lot of different groups out there We're just we're trying to find out If we put a request for proposal out for that kind of service, how much would it cost and then What kind of level of service would we get and we're trying to again fill in those gaps and make transit much more desire You know much easier for people to use comfortable reliable and safe is kind of the way we sell it Can is can we add that to the list and have Have a date when we wish to see some action on that We do show that under other four. It's the third to last line under local micro transit model We can move that up if you'd like rather than being Q4 we could move it up, but Again, we're not sure where the funding is gonna come from at this point It would have to be most likely grant funded to start and then we'd have to figure out a sustainable way to fund this over time Can we make that? Q1 through Q4 So that we have an ongoing conversation about it we could just make it ongoing if you'd like yeah, okay, is that Yeah, I'm not sure. We're in a motion right now. So it'd be a friendly amendment Yeah, I think maybe what we'll do is we'll I guess we'll have to pull the motion discuss this Feel I had a quick question Does the microtransit it? Kind of go after also the last mile question when we're talking about whether it's and I'm not It's the right choice electric scooters electric bikes Those sorts of items is that also kind of wrapped in this microtransit model? Yes cheerleader the the idea is And I'll just kind of give you the the general vision at this point is to do a 15-minute or less wait for a 15-minute or less ride across town so we think that will Be appeal appealing to most folks to be able to It's almost an uber lift type experience But it's you'd have to meet you wouldn't maybe get a pickup right at your front door you'd have to go to a meeting location or across a set of cross streets where other people would meet you or be there as well So it's almost like a bus stop situation, but it would be no more than a couple blocks from your house Or your or your business or wherever you're trying to get to or from and we try to extend that those hours Later into the evening to again to supplement the local bus service that turns off around eight o'clock in Longmont, so Did that answer your question? I'm sorry kind of straight Do we have any other questions from the board? Okay, other than the changing of the budget year to 2024 on the second to top are Two down from the other category There's no other questions or need to make any additions If we could change for the local microtransit model the Q4 to ongoing okay with the change to the Budget to 2024 as well as of course including or changing the local Microtransit model to ongoing. Are there any other changes or things that we would like to discuss? Okay, can we get a motion to approve? I move that we approve the Transportation advisory board work plan and schedule with the two two adjustments To the 2023 budget line and the local microtransit model line seconded All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye Opposed so the next the next item on your agenda is the regional electric vehicle plan from Lisa no block so Lisa, how are you? Good Good evening members of the transportation advisory board. It's nice to see you all I haven't been to this board for a while, and I think there's Different board members from the last time I was here in a much more formal setting I'm not used to being in this room for anything other than council meetings, but I'm Lisa no black I'm the sustainability manager for the city. I'm housed in a relatively newly created department called strategic integration But I manage the city's implementation of the sustainability and climate action plans And make sure that the city is staying on track to meeting our pretty ambitious sustainability and climate action goals So I work with Phil and Jim and Ben and Probably just about everybody across the organization at some point or another so I haven't been to you all for quite a long time But there's been some exciting stuff particularly happening in the electric vehicle space So I thought I would come give you all a visit and let you know what's going on Feel free to ask any questions, and I'm happy to come back at a more regular basis to help keep you all in the loop with things What I wanted to chat with you all about tonight is the regional transportation electrification plan for Boulder County communities. That's a big name a mouthful for the for that plan it was completed in August of last year and we're now in the implementation phase and I just wanted to bring this to you all to let you all know that That we've been participating in this plan. We have some significant EV goals that we're trying to achieve Which I'll talk a little bit about later But to let you know this is happening and then this is something that we're working on So I'm going to run through kind of the the plan itself and feel free To interject at any point in time if you all have any questions or comments So just what is a regional transportation electrification plan So it's a planning document that helps guide Boulder County communities And you'll see who all has been participating in this process to really support the large-scale transition Equitable transition to zero-emission vehicles. So as you all know transportation is not an issue that is just Longmont that stops at our borders We have folks that live and work and recreate and travel all across the front range and beyond and so it really is beneficial for Us to address all transportation, but particularly electric vehicles on a regional basis Whoops in the wrong way So this really helps address that on a regional scale It helps maximize our collective ability to design and implement larger-scale solutions Leverage funding so that's a big one right now, especially with all the federal funding dollars Coming down that supports electric vehicles and electric vehicle infrastructure And then also to avoid duplication of efforts So we have folks that are working on these issues across the region and we're doing our best to state Coordinated so that we can collaborate when it makes sense for us to do that and this plan helps us get all on the same page The benefits which I imagine you all are aware of so public health Obviously as we transition to electric vehicles in addition to greening our grid at the same time There's a lot of public health benefits around particularly air quality in particular Which we all know is a big issue on the front range in particular. It helps reduce our greenhouse gas emissions Which also helps support our climate action goals It helps create energy independence and cost stability by reducing the dependence on fossil fuels And then it saves money over the lifetime of the vehicle if you all have had the opportunity to To own or use an electric vehicle The maintenance is a lot Cheaper although there are still upfront barriers in terms of cost to folks and part of this plan goes into that as well This then also helps support both state and local efforts to transition The transportation sector to electric so the state has a plan to reach a specific goal around to EVs by 2030 and then also the city in 2020 I think it was can't keep track of the year now past the equitable carbon free transportation road map Which we brought to you all and I don't know how many members are are still Is that all new members from that point in time, okay? Well, that might be a conversation for a different night Although I'm happy I have some slides although they don't go into great detail I'll make sure you all have the the link to that plan But I'll touch on that a little bit later and then I'm happy to answer more questions, but Essentially this regional plan helps us support our transportation electrification goals as well There's a number of folks that have been involved in this process It was largely run through the Excel energy partners and energy program That was that's contracted through the Brendel group, which is a consulting group that does sustainability work On a number of Boulder County communities have been participating in this process that are all listed there I think from the Netherlands is probably one of the only ones that's not represented The planning process and the plan development started in July of 2020 or June at July of 2021 We've been working through this period of time to put the plan together and then in August of last year Through December of this year is when our contract with partners and energy goes through as far as implementation goes and then the Communities will work together to figure out what implementation looks like beyond December 2023 The vision that we developed through this plan is that Boulder County communities will work with regional partners to implement solutions that support the large-scale and equitable transportation to zero emission vehicles That term equitable is a really important one We know there's a lot of barriers still for folks accessing electric vehicles owning electric vehicles And then making sure also within the Boulder County community as well that there is geographic equity in terms of accessing things like charging infrastructure So the goals we set are a transition of 30% of all vehicles registered in Boulder County to zero emissions by 2030 And that's in line with our GOEV resolution that City Council passed last year and then also by 2030 to install a combined 2380 public level 2 charging stations and DC fast charging stations again equitably distributed across Boulder County So that's really focusing on Not just the areas that tend to have more money But how do we as a region really go after some of those funds to Support these goals across the Boulder County community and this number in particular is is partly what supports that state goal Looking at that distribution across the entire state as well The planning outcomes that we have our two goals we have four focus areas, which I'll get into three cross-cutting three themes and then 15 strategies that are really focused on that immediate implementation timeline of 2022 to 2024 These are the four areas that really Came out of this process that again because we know there are a lot of barriers We know that there are a lot of components to really make this transition successful That there's a lot of a lot of pieces that need to be in place in order for us to meet those goals And all of those strategies fell into these four bucket areas, which are Supporting community EV adoption That's really focused more on the the vehicle side of things Public charging so that's as you can imagine the charging infrastructure side Home and workplace charging so a little bit separate than like the the public sector But focusing on how do we help support folks to have charging either available at their homes or at their workplaces and Then plans codes and policies and that's how do we create some standards around? everything from ADA accessibility to design guidelines like setbacks and signage and all that kind of stuff to pricing structure best practices because right now it's a little bit of the The Wild West out there, so as an EV user an EV owner It's hard to know what to expect from one station to the next I'll just go back to this really quickly the ones that I have highlighted Those are the ones that that we're working on right now within these subgroups So in the community EV adoption area, we're working on regional community and dealership outreach You may have seen some some things that came out from the state recently the state put together an EV outreach campaign And we've been working to leverage those materials that they've been putting out through social media and press releases and whatnot By reposting and resharing those through our communication channels For the public charging We're wrapping up right now a public a mapping of public charging station Locations as well as a number of different factors that can help us really understand Where do we need to focus on in terms of increasing that access to charging? Infrastructure what areas of our community again across the county already have charging infrastructure where clearly doesn't and then how do we overlay that with different? Demographic or physical characteristics or things like clusters of multifamily housing where we know it's more difficult for people to access charging In the hermit home and workplace charging the focus really is on that multifamily piece because we know that is a big difficult one a big difficulty If folks don't have a garage and they don't have a dedicated place to charge Are there opportunities to include that in? Multifamily complexes or how do we put things in close proximity so that people can access that and then in the plans codes and policies We're working on the ADA accessibility and pricing structure right now This is a list of all the strategies in each of those areas So you can see the priority strategies for 2022 to 2024 which cover the areas that I just talked about and then there is also a list of strategies that didn't rise to that Near-term implementation for a variety of reasons But I included that here so that you can see the other things that we know still need to happen and that will be helpful in Supporting this transition, but there are a little bit further out and then similar in the public charging in the plans codes and policies So looking at things that are much more complicated like vehicle to grid charging Creating some more outreach materials and different types of incentives and things like that That are going to require more budget and planning for us and then in the next couple years So our approach to implementation so we have quarterly full team meetings That's with everybody that you saw on that slide earlier all the different municipalities as well as some other partners like Excel and the the chambers the Latino Chamber folks like that that are involved in this process We have monthly subgroup meetings for each of those subgroups and then we have project management team meetings as well, so Trying to make sure to keep everyone on the same page as we were doing individual subgroup work as well Partners in energy is the group that's really managing the project management side side of this to help us keep a Keep it help keeping us focused towards reaching those goals Again, as I mentioned the contract with them just goes through the end of this year And so the individual communities will need to figure out how do we work together beyond that time frame to continue? This is just an overlay showing sorry. I'm not sure what Information about purchase orders somehow got dropped in there. Sorry about that. It's multitasking apparently today So looking at how the regional EV plan also supports community plans And so we have the higher-level vision goals our focus areas and targets And then we've also identified in the plan. I don't know if you have all have had a chance to look at it yet I sent the link to you all there's regional strategies So really identifying what are the strategies that make sense for us to work collaboratively collaboratively across the region and then community best practices which then the communities can take and implement on a local scale because those are things that really need to Be adapted for the local community context and those fit within our Community plans and so that's where I'll talk briefly with you all about the equitable carbon free transportation road map And I'm happy to send you all the link to this plan through Phil afterwards. It's a it's a nice short plan with lots of really wonderful graphics You all can have a look at But we put this plan together When we are doing our our greenhouse gas inventory work Transportation is a significant part of our greenhouse gas emissions next to electricity and natural gas We but it's a it's a pretty tough nut to crack in particularly because of the regional nature of Transportation, so we have these goals of reducing overall transmission or overall emissions by 69 percent by 2050 and 66 percent by 2030 and increasing vehicle electrification Reducing single occupancy but vehicle miles traveled and improving air quality But before creating this plan we really didn't have We had a handful of strategies But not a great sense of how to prioritize those strategies particularly in the transportation sector and again we really wanted to focus on That being an equitable Process to make sure that that's not just something that benefits a handful of folks in our community And that we weren't just focusing on electric vehicles because of the some of those barriers that we talked about around cost and accessibility And so this is really focusing on the entire transportation system That includes electric vehicles The guiding principles for that plan Have the these focus areas of shortening and reducing the number of trips shifting modes reducing direct vehicle emissions through Shifting to electric vehicles and then also these equity priorities along the bottom around Making sure that we connect with folks We're including folks for reducing those barriers and we're focusing on things like safety that we know are really important to everybody And then this is a nice graphic of what's contained in the road map So you can see kind of that starting point down at the bottom We already have some EV charging stations that are that are around town that are available to the community of Focus on safety. We have some financial incentives available to folks and then we provide some EV education through long-run power communications and Then looking at that two-year 2023 goal of making sure that we're embedding equity in all the work that we do and you see that as I mentioned in the regional transportation plan not really coming through Focusing on zero emissions fleet and we have a lot of work underway in that in that right regard with our fleet manager doing a lot of that transition The go EV resolution with which city council passed in 2021 Working on supporting households to be EV ready and so that that's through things like code changes, which we did last year and then transit education as well and then you see it kind of Moves beyond to things that are a little bit more complicated. So continuing to expand EV expand EV education Looking at things like EV and multimodal incentives focusing on the workforce development piece And then longer term things like how do we actually support people and things like replace your ride and things that are going to require a Lot more budget for us But this gives you a sense of the things that are encapsulated in the road with the road map Which as I said it is not just focused on EVs, but also transit accessibility and other Multimodal forms, which is a word I can never say So that's pretty much it mostly I just wanted to share that information with you all do you all have any Questions or comments or anything that you'd like to share with me Thanks for your presentation Lisa when I read through the plan The thing that Struck me the strongest was that the plan does not include any goals or strategies Related to low-carbon public transit operations. Can you explain that and when I looked at your Wonderful graphic of all the partners There was a partner that seemed to be missing to me that goes by a three-letter I'm sure we can't all guess what that acronym is. Yeah, that's a great question The reason that this plan doesn't focus on that Is because it was this plan was specifically focused on electric vehicles like low or light-duty vehicles so not necessarily looking at transit and Other things kind of outside of that. That's why I mentioned that when we did the transportation road map for the city We did focus beyond just electric vehicles and light-duty vehicles But the plan that the region focused on they wanted to look at specifically Electric vehicles for personal use or things like small fleets like uber and Lyft and that sort of stuff not larger scale Transit electrification that is work. That's happening in in other spaces I don't know if you if you're involved any of that in terms of what RTD's plans are I haven't heard anything about that for a while Yeah, we weren't working with RTD as much as we were working with via Mobility services, which is what we call is the Boulder County via and they were going to an electric fleet already So it was good to work with them and we were kind of on the same page as that were the other folks that we were working with was the same frame Valley school district and their bus systems and At the time and there wasn't a lot of traction there for electric vehicle or electric buses at the time, but I think that's moving in a more positive direction as they're starting to see more about more more More grant opportunities to help with electric school buses So there is still work to be done with RTD They've converted some of their fleet in downtown Denver, but the more regional pieces aren't On the radar right now for right now Was RTD invited to be part of this plan? They weren't because again the focus of this plan was just looking at light duty electric vehicles We this is a space as I mentioned transportation is it is a big Thorny issue to tackle and we have to kind of take it in pieces And so when when the regional communities came together the the light duty like Electric vehicles was the area of priority for folks right now I agree that that is a big issue. That's an issue that folks like the Colorado community for climate action Which you are a member of at CC4 C8. It's a statewide lobbying organization that Lobbies for state legislation to support all things climate action and that that is an area of focus from that group But not for this plan in particular Yeah, so Lisa one of your goals is to reduce single occupancy Miles traveled. So so how do you consider that to be played out in the paradigm you're talking about with light use vehicles Yeah, so I think I would say that that is really where The other efforts that we work on with Phil and Ben and folks in that area where we're really trying to get people out of vehicles altogether personal vehicles whether they be electric or Internal combustion engine vehicles and supporting all of the things all of the multimodal Access to transit biking and walking active transportation all of those sorts of things That's really that focus of reducing the single occupancy vehicles or things like carpooling Bampoling those types of efforts Phil do you want to add anything to that? That's your your area? Well, just the reality that Even if we were to convert the whole fleet current fleet to electric vehicles today or tomorrow We would still have issues of congestion, right? So and there's still be safety concerns with that number of vehicles and And just that being on the road not changing anything. So It's not just electric vehicle conversion, and it's not just about only air quality It's also about safety of the citizens and so that's part of the focus as well But we also see that the air quality benefits could be if we can make bicycling again Safer more reliable and more comfortable as well as transit all those three things for transit people may make Decision to move to those different modes rather than Us trying to force people into modes Make it more attractive for people to get onto those modes and then that will help with our congestion issue as well as helping with our equality issue Would you say that's 50-50? So you're saying you don't want everyone to drive an electric vehicle What you want is to reduce the number of vehicles as well. So that kind of relates to the RTD issue and And other modes of transportation. So is it about 50-50? Or do you have any idea of how much how much would have to go to multimodal? Yes, we have goals around that particular number It is not 50-50 And I don't have those numbers at the top of my head. I want to say it's something like Increasing 14% so what I want to say around I don't I would have to I can definitely get those numbers for you And I'm sorry I didn't come prepared with those in particular, but we do have specific goals around increasing mode share and reducing Single occupancy vehicles. So those are those those two things kind of go hand-in-hand, right? So you want to reduce single-use vehicles by 14% or you want people to use Multimodal transportation 14% more of the more times. Yeah, I think Phil's trying to trying to pull those up I don't have those numbers at the at the tip of my tongue. I apologize for that No, just um, but it's not yeah, it's definitely not 50-50 that the the bulk of it is focused on on that that The the bulk of the emissions reduction really is focused on that vehicle electrification switch So getting people to drive electric vehicles instead of internal combustion engine vehicles And then the emissions also associated with the medium and heavy-duty vehicles as well So buses and things like that and then it is a much smaller percentage in terms of driving that Mode share so getting people to walk and bike and use transit more and thereby reducing those The single occupancy vehicle. Yeah, and I I'm just wondering what what What portion of it do you want people just to not drive at all? You know, and I think some of that also it has to do with Having what people need more accessible to them in yeah walkable areas Yeah, so then yeah, that's where it starts to touch into things like land use and all of those sorts of things of how are we developing Communities that where people neighborhoods and areas where people have everything that they need within, you know, a 15 or 20 minute walk or bicycle ride We get into other difficult economic factors like housing affordability and where people can afford to live and Where they work and all those sorts of things. So there's a lot of things that go into that that are that are more difficult but that are also When you start to take a step back part of the bigger picture of the the different pieces that we're working to put in place that Help support all all of these efforts Which is a nice segue into one of the other questions I had which is when you're talking about these charging stations and We're also looking at the planning and development of the town. Are you having having trouble finding space for them? We're not having trouble finding space per se I would say when you start to talk about taking parking spaces away from other uses that can be difficult We do now have code updates in place around new construction focusing on the residential side and we're talking about Cove requirements on the commercial side as well that would start to require some level of at least installing Conduit if not full-on charging stations. So as developments are coming online those things are built in from the beginning space is not necessarily an issue it's sometimes more around Electrical capacity at different sites and so that's another component that we have to assess is whether or not a site or multiple sites in one particular area can support a lot of Incoming electric vehicle charging infrastructure without having to do upgrades to the infrastructure in that particular area Jim, I don't know if you want to add anything to that from the engineering side Well, that would be an LPC question, but based on the meetings we've had with them on some of the meetings that That were noted in the presentation One of the challenges will be the electrical infrastructure that goes along with the the added draws to the system So that is one of the factors we're looking at when we look at placement Where in the city they have and what infrastructure they have there? So as we plan them out, there's adequate time to plan for improvements to the infrastructure It's just you know right now. We're just very early in those planning phases But one thing I will note is and the from the the development kind of standpoint we see Development the DRC what's called DRC the development review committee. We've seen a number of of Applications for charging stations from the private sector Some of the gas stations in town or are looking to add charging stations We're working on an application right now over at the Twin Peaks Mall area there Even though they already have some charging stations there. They're putting in applications to add more So we're seeing it in a number of different levels Does that increase in a electrical power does that add to emissions? It does and it doesn't and we have all of the modeling behind that so part of the important component of this again kind of taking the step back and what are all the pieces that that need to be in place in order for us to Meet those greenhouse gas emissions reduction goals was just in part. What's driving this is That the grid needs to continue to get cleaner To support the electricity to power electric vehicles and we're at about 50 percent renewable delivered energy currently at least as of the end of 2021 I haven't seen the data for 2022 yet since we're just now into the new year And that's a commitment from Platte River and the city of Longmont as well as the other owner communities to be 100 percent renewable by 2030 There's modeling that goes into whether or not It's clean enough to say that the emissions added from the additional electricity Are a net benefit versus from transitioning away from fossil fuels So you have to hit a certain threshold of renewables in order for that to be True and we are beyond that because of our energy mix now So so yes and no and there's modeling behind that The other direct benefit that you get regardless is the tailpipe emissions, which are not insignificant from an air quality standpoint So you are adding electricity, but it's cleaner than the gas Okay, thanks Any other At a couple questions and comments It seems with the The conversation on RTD. It's almost like the tiger by the tail Right. We're we're not going to control that nor is any community and or region So I understand that that's again incremental and then the mobility by choice You know Is what I see is more important here is the equitable access and moving that needle you know, I I think folks are going to choose their mobility by choice based on a lot of different factors that We just can't have a say so in right But I was curious about when you mentioned Twin peaks mall and talking about the public charging stations and notwithstanding the infrastructure that's needed and all that Is that viewed as revenue generation for any of the partners that are involved? Or is it strictly an amenity say if it were a townhouse apartment house multifamily structure That might be more amenity as opposed to revenue generation I was just curious if partners are involved in this or looking at this as revenue generation Yeah, when we talk to business partners and things like that That goes back to part of what one of those subgroups is focusing on in terms of best practices around pricing pricing strategies And part of that is is focused on helping to helping folks to understand How do you price it? So one you're not out of pocket money unless it is a driving amenity for some places A lot of folks are going to need to have some level of of revenue coming in from those and and that is the case for the Most part there is It's not like people are making hand money like hand over fist necessarily, but there is a revenue generation that that happens There's a maintenance component that can trip people up sometimes if a if a station goes down And you need to get somebody in to help fix that and so part of the work of that subgroup is to have all those things in place so that we can support Business owners and private entities to understand what all those things are going in so that that can be a profitable Generator for folks It is becoming more and more of an amenity And so we're starting to see people ask for things like that more So that's you know, definitely part of the conversation, but not the driving factor for most people Great. Thank you and Excuse me the last other two questions and Jim you might be able to address this is lpc is there Are they Because I I don't know how they operate within the city and charter wise and all that But is that a partner that's considered a part of this and then the last is a qmd Are they in engaged on on this project as well? I don't recall if I saw you qmd on on the The list of contributing organizations So lpc is another division or department within the city And so I've been the the main representative working on this plan But I work closely with a lot of colleagues at lpc So I've kept them in the loop and some of them are now participating in the subgroups that you saw earlier As well as ben's been participating in one of them as well So we're really drawing folks from other parts of the organization into that process So lpc has very much been a part of that and I am not familiar with a qmd So I can take a stab at what that is, but I'm not familiar familiar with with them as a partner Basically their quality municipal district and I believe they do Because they'll do the they did the lawnmower program with you know replace your ice lawn lawnmower with electric oh through rack Yeah, okay, that's right. Okay. Yes regional air quality, but I thought they go by a qmd Not maybe it is rack Thank you Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Yep. There's a lot of acronyms in this particular Space it's hard to keep track of them They haven't been directly involved in this We we work closely with a lot of folks from that agency They are one of the ones that are responsible for some of that that funding that comes down although I think some of that is Changing As other federal funding comes down. I can't I can't speak to the details of that But so so we've been engaged with them not necessarily it directly in this project But they they're involved in a lot of this work on the regional scale But they weren't a partner that helped develop the plan That's great. Thank you. It is good presentation a lot of information. Taylor. Do you have anything you want to add? I Oh, you know, I was waiting Yeah, um I guess the one thing that I'm intrigued by it because in the Pam flip at least there wasn't any like hard numbers for incentives and and you know, obviously for homeowners Upgrading electric panel is quite expensive And then adding another amperage for for public charging. My neighbor actually just did that And I'm looking forward to doing that as well fingers crossed but So that's one thing is just how incentives will be factored in especially for income or yeah Yeah, so that that's one of the one of the strategies within here is Let's see is figuring out those incentives piece And so that's really digging into kind of what's already out there How well are they working? Who can access those incentives because there's barriers to accessing a lot of the incentives that are available a lot of them are things like tax credits and Things that you get later not you know at the time that you probably need them So that's part of the the research of the implementation side and then figuring out That'll be that'll be one that that looks at What happens on a regional scale and who manages that and what can happen on a local scale? So we LPC does have a rebate available right now for charging infrastructure for residential customers I believe it's five hundred dollars to help install a charger But if you have to deal with other upgrades that can be very costly. So That's other work that we're also looking at in our building electrification work as well Of how do how do we help support people financially in the transition? So we'll be getting into that. I don't have any Specific numbers associated with that as yet and then I mean the other big piece of that is where does that money come from? There is federal funding now available through the IRA and other sources that we're keeping track of All right, and then a second question is because we didn't talk about e-bikes very much And we know the rebate For the e-bikes in this city what went through by a day or something very fast. Yeah But but then also just like a national thing like obviously through covid people started buying them In droves and then then now they're actually outselling electric and hybrid cars Combined So I just find that super Intriguing but then also I'm reminded of my experience in other countries where they started now your last mile delivery is by bike And that involves You know bigger cities like I hope we'll get to that point in the you know at some point But uh, but then they also developed a battery swap system. So I don't know if that's another Avenue and probably easier to implement so it could be done faster than just charging network. But yeah, just an idea Yeah, thank you. Yeah You and I are on the same page about that. There's a lot of interesting things happening Different places for sure Okay, anything else Before there were electric vehicles There were vehicle mile Reduction programs that were focused on Ride sharing and car pooling concepts. I worked for a company quite a while ago that bought a van And that van spent the night in a parking garage Near an urban transit center And in the morning it transported a van load of people From that neighborhood out to the suburban location of a company where we worked and in the afternoon it did the reverse trip our Ride sharing and car pooling concepts. Are they still viable or are they a part of this? I mean if you if you envision that van as being an electric van Can that sort of thing happen or did that all just go away with the pandemic? That's still out there, but I'm going to let ben jump in on that because that's his area for sure So the Denver regional council of governments, they've actually have a department Called way to go program and they actually manage Ride sharing programs including van pools I was a former employee there and I actually started van pool at dr. Cog And and then that van ran for many many years So they have an ongoing presence throughout throughout the dr. Cog region So the answer is is yes Are you asking if they're electric? That's my next question. How many of those vans are electric vehicles that unfortunately? I don't know the answer to that. I I think the answer is None, but I'm uncertain I would have to get back with them and and confirm that I mean I can add there's I know a rival and a couple other companies that are doing electric light mobility Van, you know for almost last mile delivery and that sort of thing in urban areas So we're probably maybe two or three years away from a tipping point where we could see rideshare Gained more traction in an electronic mode There are also private companies out there. I believe enterprise is one that's Starting to to get into that that van pooling business They don't have a big presence yet Great any other questions from the board? Great, thank you so much for the presentation. Yeah, thank you all Phil do you have anything else? I do now we're just on the next item is comments from board members If I could I'll start to my right here and start with taylor Well, that was a nice short and sweet meeting Uh, yeah, thank you for the presentation I do want to plug an event that's on wednesday that I think lisa knows about as well The lessons from the bloomberg city lab summit 2022 amster dam concerning the sustainable city council chambers 7 p.m This wednesday and we'll all be there and I think it'll be a very exciting discussion. So yep I just wanted to uh thank Lisa and all the staff for the information they provided my questions have been answered and my comments have been Previously considered. Thank you Well, thank you jim and phil for always Keeping us on track and lisa for your presentation And uh, also ben. Thank you for the maps um, I have a question for the um my fellow board members and I I wonder if We could kind of take this grassroots and have a conversation about how to solve our own Transportation problems and we've talked about um, you know, sometimes I bike down here sometimes we Members of the board ride the bus But often the bus stops running at eight o'clock and we can't ride the bus And you know gets dark early and so I have a long ways to go. I don't always feel safe Riding all the way home at night um after After these meetings and I would just just kind of organically want to talk about well, how do we solve our transportation problems You know with the what we have available to us and I just wonder if anybody else is interested in in that type of discussion Well, the only comment I can make about that is um Kind of goes back to that prior discussion about mobility by choice And I would agree with you that part of that is a personal Decision to say I'd prefer to ride a bike e bike Regular bike. I would ride a bike You know the bus when it's available to us I do think the microtransit and and those Availability is is a concern that's going to probably increase As we as we move farther with the first and main Development so I don't have an answer in terms of our discussion doing that But I think it is something that's that's relevant that you know I don't know how how we can discuss it in this form, but I do think it's something that we should consider. No, absolutely Yeah And I again I want to thank staff as always you guys kind of bring it every time we meet Um, at least I was a great presentation. I appreciate that So, um, I think with that we can Go ahead. Nope. We have one more. We have items for the upcoming agenda Yeah Yes, um just going through Your new work plan We do have the TMP coming up to talk more about that Maybe get some ideas from this group on how that should be scoped And what what kind of wording do we want to put into a proposal that would go out to everyone on that? Um, but you'll be hearing about that process throughout So I think that's the first step is to talk a little bit about the scoping language on that And then the 2024 budgeting items or budget items that are not necessarily capital projects. So Uh, that's also listed in first quarter. We'll probably have some more things that pop up I'm guessing the transportation improvement program will have um four projects for you to Talk a little bit more about and understand that they're going up as far as getting evaluated And what the input what the impacts to the city would be If we got one two three or all four of those projects and kind of which Subregions we're working with on those. So I'll give you a little bit more information Give the public a little bit more information on those those items. So That's what we have planned for you in february Go ahead David Yeah in response to your comment dianne I'm also interested in personal transportation Options available to board members You may recall there were some meetings earlier this year that went right to eight o'clock And I left as if I had been shot out of a cannon And the reason for that is that the last rtd bus to my neighborhood Leaves the transit station at roosevelt park at 8 p.m. So I had Three minutes to get to third and main to make that bus So I personally would be very interested in The the first in main station Being more than just an rtd station and perhaps it might incorporate some of these Micro mobility options. Maybe it could be kind of a node for Uber and Lyft to get back to Ride sharing concepts rather than just a mobile phone based taxi service. So yeah, I'm I'm interested Well, phil that also relates to your question about the tmp How how deep do you want us to go in terms of ideas for For implementation Because um, just as we're talking about this I guess a more experiential, you know, if if I have to ride The bus and it takes me an hour to get around town I have a lot more experiences to what would work better or you know, what particularly works for my neighborhood that kind of thing And also gives me a little more information to add to your your tmp plan So how do you how deep do you want us to go in our suggestions? Well, initially, I think we'll be asking for your ideas on policy direction So do we put more dollars into transit into bike infrastructure into I mean, we need to we need to keep our roads maintained as they are and that's a big And Jim will talk more about that when we bring that up as well But it's it's going to be talking about how we maintain the existing existing system as it is With some changes to add bicycle bicycle infrastructure when we can or transit infrastructure when we can but How much does this board as well as the city council and the citizens want to You know move or change priorities So there'll be a broader discussion I think I don't think it's going to get down to that detail Yet until we actually start the transportation mobility plan process and have a consultant on board Then they'll want to get into those details and find out What you are looking for specifically in for transit in the city And if you talk about more frequency or later hours or earlier hours That's all going to be things that you know have a trade-off in costs, right? RTD is not going to pay for that They have a base budget and they're not probably going to go above that Without a lot of pressure and so is are we going to put pressure on RTD to do that? We're going to come up with dollars from our city budget. Does that mean that the roads? You know aren't as in good shape as they are today Our tax increases That's a dare from Jim and I did it so I get well, okay, so when we When we were visiting before we started the meeting we were talking about New Jersey City and of An article that was published about how they had gotten division zero And one of the things that stood out for me in that article was they said, you know, all these public service meetings Kind of become a Hurdle such you have to go through but something that worked for them was to to put out barriers put out, you know pop up circular Drive-throughs just to see how people responded to them and then after they had tried them Whether they wanted to see them actually implemented and so I'm just wondering From your perspective, would you like to be more? Adventurous that way, you know try something and see if it's worth pursuing before we put it on the on the plan Have a little You know experimentation with it and see what the response is Well, I think what we do. I mean you can probably hear about this in the newspaper Wednesday morning is the Downtown development authority is going to meet with city council on a pre-meeting And they're going to be talking about a lot of this tactical urbanism So How do you do a temporary fix or maybe it's paint or maybe it's something very Very inexpensive to start with striping or or ballers or something that Extends maybe a curb In certain locations so that we can see If that's working For safety reasons And I think this is a lot of what you're talking about with jersey city where they tried different things That were fairly temporary in nature Saw what worked and then implemented maybe a more of a capital project, right? We actually do the rebuild so we'll be talking about that It's not really in Our nature to be really experimental Without some direction from this board city council and the citizens so We are We certainly put that out there as here's some ideas that we've seen other localities and other municipalities do And we'll share those and see if that has some You know traction in this city but I'm very worried about trying to create any policy from the staff level and I can't do that So what we do is rely on the boards and commissions and city council and the citizens to Direct us into how that happens and that's through the city manager Helps do that too. So there's a lot of different steps, but So we'll put things out there that we hear about the jersey city is a great example because they Evidently have done made great strides in vision zero this year. So we'll see if that continues So i'm hearing you say you'd like some ideas from us. Okay Can I make a motion that we have a study session as a group? Maybe outside of the board meetings to come up with some ideas to help help the staff in their transportation mobility plan I I suppose could we add that to the next agenda? to discuss and add rather than Do it and prompt you on this one That way patrick would be here as well Yeah, that's true Okay, so we'll For we'll forward that to the next to the next meeting in february. Okay And phil I know sometimes the cheapest one is just putting a big boulder in the road. So Budget just an idea, but uh Wanted to respond to board member chris You know for me my my transportation woes, you know I'm lucky enough. I could walk to downtown Today, I did drive because it was convenient and icy and etc. Etc Sometimes I try to bike. Well, I try to do that most times But uh, but then also it's about convenience and speed and safety for me. It's like if I'm going to the grocery store I'm probably driving because I need to a haul the groceries and it'll take me You know 45 minutes to get there by bus And then I got to walk across it in giant parking lot to then wait for a bus again to then, you know, so It's it's gets complicated. Um Compared to other places I have lived so yeah, that would be my response Should we consider a transportation board ride share or carpool? Okay, so we've covered the um items for the upcoming agenda Are there any other comments from the board and we can move to an adjournment if I can get a motion Most do adjourn second it All in favor say aye. Aye Getting adjourned