 First on the agenda is to approve the agenda The only addition That trees had brought up as we'd like to put in there this evening to to reappoint Has to reappoint two of the planning commission Committees So if we could put that Maybe at the end is fine Lisa To play And then Mr. Benson's okay, you want to move up to the beginning you give that or you want to hang out for a while or We had you kind of I don't think any of these are really gonna take a lot of time, but okay Anything else three, so do you have anything else you want to add? Okay No in favor and public comment inquiry this is the opportunity to discuss anything that's not on the agenda for this evening Legislators down there We applied for the grant and we actually sent it put our letter of intent and we got some notes back today on the letter Of intent a couple more things that she wants to pool in the USDA are these so yep We worked out a schedule and we're applying for seventy five hundred dollars because that does that buys us Advertising in the newspaper or coupons spread regular radio spots So we did we have a budget. Yep, so we're in the process and it's going well Okay Well, I've spoken to all of them and told them that we were applying and that the letter of intent was due in February But I can you know talk to them again I'm kind of waiting to see if we were gonna make it into the mix or not But it actually they should know because D3 reached out to several of them asking for letters of support So I know she had had conversations with some of them as well. So we have we have When would we hear back on that grant Well, I'm not I know we had to have the letter of intent in by February and we had submitted it and then it came back with some notes But my guess is it's gonna depend on federal funding. So I'm not sure we're gonna hear by March or April I don't remember. I'll find out. I can't remember what the I just remembered that was the deadline Okay, but I can certainly once D3 gets it worked out I can let the other ones know because like Dave's hand one might not have known but she had talked to a couple other people So she had to go she was trying to get it from the mix of businesses So letter of intent was It was just sent Was there anybody in particular that you felt was unaware of it Yeah, because we didn't ask she didn't I think she was maybe dealing with cock-a-doodle already So she only is one restaurant. Yeah, so that's how I think she was trying to divvy it up because I think she Lendly and I know she had Watch burn insurance agents or she's trying to get a mix of businesses together So that was her that way all the letters of intent were from one type problem with the grant is what it's asking you is How many jobs this money will help gain And really and we can't we're saying none But it would help us maybe save something so none of the businesses went out And that's what D3 was trying to focus on because that was one of the ladies follow up questions who's influence and And we've asked Yeah I Think so But anyways, once we find out a little more information I can have D3 send everybody So so so the money the grant money is not so much for Direct giving to the businesses as it is for just advertising letting other people in the area know that Capital right do is it did buy us because she met with CVR and met us bought us radio spots It bought us adds significant ads in the paper along with we thought about doing a coupon You know insert in all the papers that we help bring people into Bethel too so that each one of the businesses could offer something as part of a You know something for a coupon So we had kind of looked at it from all Anything else Dave at that meeting Neil box was talking about economic development and I hadn't heard anything so I thought I'd bring it up tonight to be if we could Contact our regional economic development Yeah, see if we could do something with that 50,000 square foot of the building down there by the So I think they're working I think there's a couple of plans there right now Yeah, I spoke I spoke to Hey, thank you. Yeah, I spoke with Bob. He's already about this and The owner of the building is going to be developing his own Company and making something there. So he does have a plan for the building I can email him Yeah, that would be really good. That was a big deal for him in this economic development stuff Because I want to start that You know the better business or Bethel business Association And I want to talk to Wang to see if he had any historical information about what it was running for So we can get that going and reach out to all business. It's not just downtown like yourself Any home business and everything A little bit Neil with the BBA Neil Yeah, are you okay? Oh, excellent. Oh, perfect. I'm looking to kind of see if there was any Anything written off like was there You know Parameters and what they did was there anything you know kind of formal and writing was there Yeah Nothing to do with it now. Okay. I didn't know I'll let Neil know about the It was the most recent Yeah I Anything else All right anything else public comment inquiry we'll move along First topic just to talk about the timeline for the updated town plan so the roadmap to End of May that one Think on here Because the planning commission will hold their hearings and then it comes to the select board after they've made any changes from theirs and Then the select board will hold their own hearings And you can make any changes and if you make any changes then you have to have another Public hearing but I did attend last time and they're You know, they went right along they have the Conservation Commission happened to be there and they were very helpful helped me get to the rack and through a couple other chapters they were great and As I said, since they have limited members I spoke to Cecil Kelly Pam and And asking people About names for anyone who might they thought maybe You know good person to take to work on the planning commission. So we have a list of names and I'm going to be mailing them Individual personal limitations to see if they people come to the next planning commission meeting is to sit through it This is what it's all about and hopefully we get some takers because you can have up to nine members and they're working with Peter and Cecil and One that's resigned, but I think it's gonna come stay through the process and the other one who I'm not sure He's gonna stay through the process or not so Here's been there forever And he said Maybe his last time playing and they would like more people to join so That was our plan since we've tried the newspaper and other avenues. We thought maybe Personal invitation, so if you think of anyone, please, you know, let me know So in the in the letter they just talked about that the plan is roughly 80% complete And that the remaining contract balance is $1,800 which equates to about 24 hours of labor Yeah, they have a planning grant and they set out the remaining work, so Will everything be done on budget or I guess that Reads the flag for me if that means that they were kind of warning us like it's gonna cost more No, she's one of the reasons she didn't come tonight because I talked about it And I just said look if you do it right up, that's fine I said, you know, we know if the if there's a member in this like where that hasn't been through the process It'll be nice for them to know that they get you know bites at the apple couple Planning Commission and then later She said she had limited hours, so I said no, that's why you don't need to come Okay, and worst-case scenario if they're finished she sends it to us in a draft once you start holding your hearings Any changes you make I could make in the plan. So, you know, we'll pick it up where we have to Okay General hearings And I've had Mary Boyd she had a great contingent show up for the conservation commission and the PCs like Okay, that's great I had Any further discussion Okay All right moving along class 4 highway policy. We had the last meeting we had talked in depth on On the policy at hand and any corrections that we want to see and this is Now the final draft. Yeah, there was no changes. It was just we had to take the word draft so Anybody on board have any further Questions regards to policy So I would entertain a motion to accept the town of Bethel class 4 highway policy Saka, okay on favor I Was pretty extensive because we had the river corridor Just through the river corridor on it up perceiving to be a bigger issue than it ended up I think at the end But but that took us quite a bit of reviews to get through that to get some of that language from Make some things conditional where Originally it was Game out of that That's the next step is once the plan the town plan is Is it be to take a look at the zoning regulations again? So I've already talked to Rick and and Cecil and said we're gonna we don't you know We don't need to we need to put the two groups together and myself Kelly because as zoning administrator The assistant zoning for the circuit of the DVA or the DRP We can all get together and say, okay This is how the two don't match but this is what we're trying to use and it's not Trying to sort through it. So right, I think that'll be a good opportunity to get everybody together This one's right, but this one's enforcing them. So So I think it'll be a good process All right anything further on the highway policy And we have the fire department coin draw Request for the 23rd of May and the 5th of September Yeah I Need to get out there at the odd hours everybody's prepared for nine to one now taking back roads So I would entertain a motion to accept The fire department's coin drop requests for the 23rd of May and the 5th of September and to allow myself to sign on behalf of the board So three last time we had a coin drop for the historical Yeah, about insurance You have a couple of liquor license renewals One for tow jeers and one for the central market Yeah The three liquor licenses Toesers two for tow jeers and one for central market Those years has a one for beer and wine and also one for spirits Central is just beer and wine. Well, maybe I don't know you're just a group a couple All in the list is the conversation in regards to the Potential donation of the World War II monument and the last board meeting we Had talked about maybe if there was any potential zoning Right issues with the site and a little bit more information on that My own Initial plan was that they want to contact Rock of Ages and so when Kelly and I were looking at this from a zoning perspective, I Honestly thought for fortitude was bigger than this and so when I looked at this I was like, well, that's you know, just over the 10,000 square feet It's gonna have to go to the DRB because I don't think that I should prove a town of Bethel Zoning permit anyways and this one's a little bit. I'm trying to look like is it municipal is it? This is a little sketchy on where Zoning but I just wanted if you were better versed that I was when I saw the aerial photo I was taken aback at the size of it was a lot smaller than I thought and So I wanted to make sure that once you saw the image that you were still comfortable with this and In the downtown the setbacks are pretty small because that's the Commercial business district So I just wanted to make sure that when you saw it that you were still comfortable This one's I saw how big is this rock gonna be and so I just wanted to have you guys take another look at it and be sure that I'm still gonna speak to Greg feedback about it But if you had any specific concerns once you saw an aerial photo of the site I wanted to be able to give him that information and It's not a fire I use outlining the zoning regs. So it has to go to the DRB We had any those come through the DRB in the past So I wasn't sure once you saw it if you had any Maybe you only wanted it to be in a specific section or maybe not I mean, obviously, he's it's very very early in the process, but I just wanted you to be able to look at it again But the aerial photo is helpful But if not, I will just still get a hold of Greg and let him know that you're still open to it But you want to see his design before he orders anything and we want him to be able to we want him So that you have some idea and just I'll so we'll let him know in that email that he As the town of Bethel as we are the applicants the select one is the applicant that it's going to need to go to the DRB So can we request that he have Stone approved where he wants it sighted before we even see it. Oh You want him to you want to talk about where he's gonna cite it before I don't see why not I mean, I think it would be easier if he came here and had a discussion and maybe brought some ideas with him because so far all I know is that he was gonna talk to rock of ages and get a piece of stone and have a Maybe engraved and then we said 250 names and I looked at this and I was like Okay, that could be a sizable Marker now. I mean, I guess I was when we talked about last time. I was kind of envisioning You know, maybe two of these tables type size stone I mean, I don't think you're gonna be able to be able to put something there much bigger than that And then they and then you know, either they go, yeah All right, so I just want to think that we were going to be in pretty small print. Yeah Well, it's also yeah, do you go around right sides of it, you know So maybe I'll just reach out to Greg and have him You know, once they meet and talk about it and come up with some options and give him this map I mean That's a big rock Any further discussion regards to the monument And then we have the 2020 warning for town meeting So the one in your cap was incorrect It said that Lindley was a three-year, but she's a two-year and I have corrected that so it's corrected on the one You'll sign it will be incorrect in town report because town reports already been printed I'm sure the moderator will totally fix that When these We also realized that means it was wrong in last year's town report not in the warning But in the information section, so Kelly and I've made a note to correct that I think it got a little confusing for people when people were filling in seats and Said Moe was tanked tonight that he thought the only one who actually got elected at the time was Chris Everybody else kind of took over for somebody Or filled the balance of a seat So I think that's where I might have gotten Yeah Because he took over for someone and then he got elected I think that was yeah, they're actually both took over for first year somebody So that's I think maybe where it got confused in town report Jim's We were doing this so anyway, so it's correct in the one that Chris has in the one that Town report we are so is one mistake Sure, you don't want to switch that I don't know I thought it was three years because it's actually been misprinted all of the years Me up to and I thought it was weird that they were two threes, but I was like, okay I don't know in that so but anyways, we will Kelly and I made a note to fix it In town for next time. Oh, there's a shit. You know my rights It should have a three year and a two every year. Yeah That way that way you can always be a right It just moves you up when you're running someone's got a balance of a seat And so I think that's probably where it got off track. So but we'll correct So what questions did you have if any on? Yeah on the warning sheet at this point I'll be back again Prior to a meeting to get some more specifics, but it would just be advisor at this point for Paul and Lily to What type of speech you want to make anything you want to put any letters to the editor announcing whatever you're going to do We could be thinking about doing that and Next three year kind of concerning because I know we have a lot of issues going on with Resign and shuffling around and I think Teresa's not kind of on that as far as What they're think so But that's a couple of them. Well, it's always good to have some Something you know, are we still looking for people to fill any of those spots? Yes I have one person I've been thinking about reaching out to. Okay. Yeah, that'd be great and mom because Judy will take one See possibly three year I think that Louise is thinking about running for maybe the one year of Jim Bray's and then that would leave the two-year open So kind of where we stand right now But that's today so winter and And who the board wants to speak to which which items obviously the The general question, yeah, I think I'll I'll speak to the general fun Question and then probably Paul you'll speak to the human services piece So And then we probably ought to have somebody to represent the ordinance Mm-hmm Regulating garbage trash exact litter. I don't know what we me anybody on the board What's do or Who's our And then the last So so as excuse me as Niels position To be voted on the town meeting to was that appointed So I'll be going to the tune up here on the fifth Bring back the tidbits as far as they'll be good. I'll take the warning in case they're any Okay Do you know Carol's running again? I would assume he is And you didn't say I didn't check to see if all the tax dates in here. Remember last year we had one that landed on a Sunday or something. Well, it happens. Was that last year that happened? We're going to have that in February actually because they're due on the 15th which is on a weekend and Monday closed. So we're giving people till Tuesday but we're putting that ad in the paper. It's easy to stay consistent. You know, if you change that all of the 15th and one is an 18th, it throws everybody off. So we're just making the ad. I think it came up last year right? Yeah, we're making the ad in the paper. We'll be clear as we'll sign outside and posting it on our purposes. You're still a slot in the door so anybody can drop them if they want to but it does fall on a holiday so we're going to take that first on Tuesday. So this is the warning that's in the town reports when I find you. It doesn't have to be so far. It's hard on your juggling schedule. All but one. So it looks like three or the four land on weekends this year. Well, then if you keep it to much, they should be all happy. But you have plenty of time to pay it ahead of time. It doesn't have to be on that day. You can bring it in. Yeah. So. Have you received any? No, I haven't received anything. Is there supposed to be something coming? No. Last year we had a few things that had come up. I think one of them never even should be around for it. Right. Yeah. No, I haven't heard anything this year. I haven't heard anything. I haven't heard anybody. Rick? So. Entertain a motion to accept the 2020 warning for the town meeting. That's it. Hi. I think I did that. Someone will catch that. Yeah. Got a couple of them. And the next item up, we talked about it a little bit. I don't know if it was briefly a meeting or two ago, but we have bridge number 32, which is the watershed road, Camp Brook intersection there. We have and should have been copies of the structure inspection in there. So as it currently sets the structure itself, and when you're talking back and then any of the sub structure, super structure is in satisfactory or good condition. The issues that we're having with that bridge right now is the bridge railings and curbing which could create a hazard if somebody maybe slid off onto the curb and railing could give way, you know, potentially it's in poor condition. So and there's been some recommendations for a period of time on that bridge for some maintenance that we haven't done. And now we're kind of up against that either we need to invest the money into the bridge, which after the spring floods and things like that, we kind of had to put money elsewhere. So right now it's either we need to look for it on, you know, either investing some money into the curbing of the bridge, maybe look at a structures grant and then match if we could get that, or just kind of thinking out of the box, I brought this up to three so a while ago on you know, at this point, you know, that bridge really you know, if you had to close it because it wasn't in good condition there are other ways to get on and off the road within that bridge. So like, so Teresa put this together in the packet about an option of, you know, you could do an option of just if it's not favorable to fix it and then, you know, closing the bridge and you know, maybe have a turn around area at the bottom and go from there. I believe you can turn around there now. There's also a bunch of channel work that was suggested after the Irene flood that never happened. So there's a wing wall issue there's some armament and some channel work issues as well as the curbing and the bridge rail all needs to be replaced. Yeah, it seems, you know, when we look at this, obviously nothing has been done for a while and I know sometimes people say, oh, there's another flood that flood will take it out. Well, the flood takes it out, the event takes it out. FEMA does exactly what we're doing right now and they're going to look at this and they're going to say, we won't give you any money because you didn't maintain it. And so that's not a solution waiting for another flood because that's not going to help us out. And you do have a couple other structures, obviously there's one meets Bethel and some other issues so it's do you want to just close it for now and see, you know, obviously it's going to be a little while before we have money. We have structures, grants, we're probably going to pick them up someplace else. You know, we have work to do in East Bethel and some of the bridges that weren't replaced in Irene obviously need some work, you know, we know that already and that's why in the warning or in the budget we added $35,000 for bridge work but that was only the leverage of structures grant and it wasn't for this bridge. So I did ask the Fire Chief and the road foreman how they felt about closing it and the road foreman was fine. He said, I don't have a problem with it. He said, probably shouldn't even put in a truck over it anyways and the Fire Chief had no problem closing it. There's a snow machine. And I did speak to the state about it as well. There's a snow machine trail that runs up through there that would be just, we'd have to disconnect that part of the snow machine trail too. Okay, I didn't know that. They come up along the edge of Camp Brooke and then they go over the bridge and up and then out into the joining. I think there's field there that's in the joining trail. Okay, I can ask. They'd have to cut over or is there an option to just allow the snow machines to cross it and not, you know, could be vehicles or, you know, close it down so that it just doesn't slide through. Exactly. Well, I guess I would just kind of picture maybe putting a couple of jersey barriers in front of it. Well, you had to legally, while you got to MUCD standards yeah, you're going to have jersey barriers right there and then something else, but I can ask Paul Simpson. I mean, the question that we have right now. I can ask him. What that bridge is. Oh, are you? Oh, perfect. Okay. We have basically no other way around that. That's our one way through that. If that gets shut down, that kills that trail. And there's not a place further up, not down, I know, but up that you can cross nothing that we could get to at all and safely without having to get to the landowner instead. There's the only possible place that you could even think about crossing would be right above the turks, right on the sharp turn. And it would depend on the landowner allowing us to come out of there. It's a blind corner. He is just asking. Did you see this? Can I give you this? I didn't. Okay. Let me give this to you, Alex. So this is the bridge inspection so you can see what we're talking about. And I gave you a picture of the bridge. Well, I can go across it daily. As fast as you can. You can have that. I have the original. I have my office so you can see what the issue is, obviously, is it's not a cheap fix. You know, you're kind of screwed over to one side, obviously, and go up through. Yeah, but when you have to close it to MUTCD standards which we would have to do, but maybe we can't. Let me look at those standard books and see maybe there's a way if I come out far enough that you can look at it too and tell me if I leave just enough room between the bridge and magnet. It's a groomer. It's about 90. I wonder, then I would have to do some more research to see if we can close it to only It'd be hard to regulate it at that point. It'd be hard to do that. If you put signs up, it says close to and meanwhile it's wide open. So many people use it as a counter. You'd be surprised how many. I've done myself for years when I lived in Addison County. The wind wall has failed and obviously when you look at that bridge it's not in great shape. We did put money in the budget but not to leverage a structures grant but not that bridge. The problem is we have a few. All the bridge inspections that I read recently. So there's this battle about one another and it's not This one was the only bridge that we had that other than snowmobiles. If you did close this bridge there are other ways to move around in that area. The other bridges we're looking at you have to go over the bridge. We were talking three of them. If I remember right there was three. I did get more information from we have other issues too as far as the right bridge. It's a beautiful bridge but the way that the river is coming in now, when I looked at it so I talked to Jeremy about that and got some information back and he's saying we, he's not willing to let us do any work on the channel on the river so he's saying we might have to put an additional wall up or so the problem is obviously like every problem Alex, it's money. Not having enough shoes and not enough resources. It's funny I was just telling someone today about snowmobiles. They do great things with bridges. What could we not do with the snowmobiles? Would it be hard to replace that with a Bailey bridge or something like that? Well, we'd have to do a hydraulic study. We'd have to do you know how that goes. I'm just getting in order for that. Because the tough thing we have right now is short term the issues really is the failing wing wall and the bridge railing and curbs that are deteriorated to the point like you know if somebody hits those would they stay on the bridge or not? And then long term is the channel and the erosion of you know Couldn't we get off like we do all the trails and then December 15th you open them up? What's that? A lot of your trails have got gates on right? Yeah. So December 15th, when you guys could legally run your I think the gates are open. We could do that to the bridge. Could we just wait limit the heck out of it? I mean if Alex knows is that way as much as a compact car? What's that? Your rumor? Yeah. You're killing me. I mean the other thing we could do right now is we could hold off on doing something until winter is done that would give we could hold your club you know eight months or so to figure out what plan B might be. I think it would be if we if it was barrier off and narrow enough for a snowmobile if it still would involve it would make us we would have to probably truck together. Right now we can drive part of the machine up to where we station it up on the mountain once there's snow we can truck around that somehow. Right. Either that or we have to paddle the way up the road somehow. There's a possibility we might be able to. Well you can certainly mull it over and talk about it at one of your club meetings and then let me know this is our situation. The bridge is what it is. We don't have the money right now to put into it and so for safety's sake for us it was thinking about you know we just closed it because you know the fire department was fine with it and so was the road. Isn't there a little road that goes over through by pads in your place? If you come down onto the trail it goes up on the hill. There's an old road that comes out in that field. There is an old road that comes out right there. That's where the trail comes through a long time ago. That's been washed out and thrown up and there's a big sugar house on the way down. That sugar house is there. All those lines come right down right to the back of the sugar house. So where's the trail on the other side? So if I'm crossing that bridge towards going headed towards camp, where do you go from there? So we cross and then we run the side of the road and then right before we get to Jim Ford's it crosses and it goes right up behind Jim Ford's. The other one would be the way when they used to station that rumor to Washburn's there's a road that runs behind Jim Ford's and it comes out. You could come down onto that road across Sealy's, go over his bridge and through his door to guard there. He's not, you know, he probably might put a little fight but he probably let it through. But then you have to go down and across from Chuck's there's a piece of property that goes in and there's a road that goes in that way and they could possibly go in and connect with Bill Hamilton's. But if we don't do anything this winter you guys have time to... If we came down and just didn't really groom the side of the road there the one option that we would have if barriers were put in and enough room left for snowmills to go across like I said we'd have to somehow truck our rumor up above to get it up above so that it would be stationed up high. We'd have to truck it back and forth for the off season which is, you know, 500 bucks each time. But where we used to turn around, where the two groomers turned around, the mountain groomer would come and it would turn around right in the field on watershed and then the groomer from the east side would come up, it would run inside a campground, go up and that one would turn around right in those fields as well and then it would go back so we'd either have to come down and somehow jack it around in the gym forwards because it's a pretty long sand equipment. So if we went down the side of camp, I don't think there would be enough room to turn around at the bottom of the water. Turn around and it would be left. Because you guys do fill bridges in different places I'm assuming. Yes. So if the town were to take that one out and not replace it ever, could you put your own bridge there? We could. So you're best tight on funds and we are. We'd be, you know, a lot more. Big bridges. Let me tell you, I'll talk, put a new weight limit sign, you know, as far as maybe it gives you a chance to plan because we don't have the options. I don't have any. And it's not, we have another bridge we need to deal with first. So that's what the money was for. We could leave an option that we could cross. It barriers got put in there and four and a half people left. That's what we need to get us on rail to go. But why don't we wait and, you know, get through the winter with that and then see what options we have with making that accessible to recreational. Yeah. So talk about it and pull up and see if you can come up with some other options and then there's what we know in the meantime, you know, we can believe it open and I'll have the town sort of stop going over it and, you know, any other heavy weighted truck that we can think of to stop going over it. But we'll still be in the same boat. But that's fine. I mean, at least I don't need there to drive. I'll drive my car over it. No, I mean, the approaches are deadly. I mean, it's deep. Yeah, so I'll get Allen to put more it was 12,000 miles on it. I'll try to go through it and make it. And as you're aware, else you could go because I thought for us it wasn't probably just closing. It saves us money. I was driving down through there a couple of days ago and I said, no, there's an assumption. We need to talk about it. I didn't know about it. Thank you. Yeah, I'm looking at it. Go down through Collins Yard and cross that. Okay. It's better than the one on the so Colin, you said you had more concern about the specific bridge. Yeah, the watershed bridge. I understand that it means a lot of work. But I guess what I'm concerned about is the road itself being maintained, continued to be maintained down to the edge of the watershed bridge. There's another property right there at the edge of the bridge, which I don't really worry about, but we are family land borders right on my brother's property. That's where his right away is. And Darren Irene, when the brook came down through in close 12 and close our road, we cut the old road in that was always there when my parents bought the original piece of property and that was going to be their original entrance and we opened that back up and that's how we got in and out for a week or so until we got our driveway somewhat back. You know, I just don't want, I know a lot of talent looking at potentially throwing up roads and getting rid of roads. Right. Yeah, sure. All of a sudden, we're only going to maintain to halfway across the flat on the Savage Farm on the Hall property and we're not going to maintain that anymore. That was not the intent. Absolutely not. It was to keep it the class three that is and maintain it all the way to the end because, you know, my feeling is you bought it people who bought like the gentleman who bought the end was the class three when he bought it No, when I talk to the road foreman, the intent was to continue to maintain it I actually think, you know, our thought was it would be in better shape longer because it wouldn't have so much truck traffic that actually that road would remain nicer longer. Personally, it doesn't bother me if there's no traffic, it has to bolt. In summertime, you're outside and you can just see that cloud coming across so people don't want to wait. Through the woods and shears there was bullets flying by, which not to say that somebody won't come down in any dead end road can turn into already central. But then the other angle is I'm aligning for green mount power and the lines run for across watershed to come out of the town of Bethel they come down route 12 and get to watershed, they go out to watershed then they split, they go up-camp or up and they go down. They go up-camp or up-camp or down-camp or up-camp towards Gilead and all that. Once again the road is going to be maintenance, just to make sure the road is going to be maintained, sanded in the winter time. Yeah, there was no intent to I've thrown up any roads already, that's nothing I want to do, and it seems like you guys have all been through that with ancient roads and all that, you know, a while ago. But no, I talked to Alan on the road for a minute or ten was to keep it maintained and everything, and he actually said well it would hold up a lot better if people weren't trying to race from one end to the other to save a minute or two, and so no, the intent was to keep it maintained all the way to the end, they were going to turn around down there, I think that's the property that Dennis Tabor bought, and turn around down there and head back, and there's no lack of maintenance, just closing the bridge for a couple of reasons, one being it needs a lot of work. Even if you have to maintain it in a small truck, versus taking a big truck down. Yep, yep, so, but no, the only intent was to just close the bridge, whether it be temporary or permanent, was really more just to let's just close it for now, and then do we add it in the list, or do we just not replace it, period, so. I mean, I personally think any infrastructure is, you hate to lose any infrastructure, because Darren Irene from that big hole in front of the old Abbot property was there, that was just Canberra's lifeline. They come down and go across the air once Canberra was open, and that hole was open for a month or so, as I recall, before they finally got it filled in, but it was an extended period of time, compared to the rest of the road being, maybe it wasn't a month, but it was a while. I think the scary thing is, you know, if you read the bridge maintenance that hasn't been done for years that has been noted, it's a big not to crack financially, and not to be empty down, but with a structure's grant and how many you're going to get, and I would think that it's going to be a few years before I would say it might be three to five, before we could do it once we put it in a sequence with, you know, the other structures that we need to deal with, but that being said, you know, it's kind of a lack of the drama grant process, but. Would this be something that we replaced down the road? Well, that was kind of the discussion, but it wasn't sure. That's what we were talking about. Would we, you know, would we replace it, or would we just keep it closed permanently? But I think that, you know, it was really kind of, at this point, we were just dealing with the temporary closure just to get closed, because we knew what had to happen, and so we couldn't afford to do it right now. So, but, you know, we all made five points that I had no idea. I'm sorry about that. I should have asked him, because I see him every day. But, so for now it sounds like we'll just leave it open until spring, and in the meantime we'll look at all the bridges and see if we triage them and put them in order, you know, how long are we talking, and what can we do, and maybe it's temporary, or we can leave it open just for recreational vehicles, and then make a plan so we can close it to limit the weight limit, maybe that would buy us a little more time, and then we could replace it maybe in the three to five year range, I'm not really sure. No, I don't want to hope for a big flood. Because that's one of the questions they ask you. It's like, oh, if you maintained it and you can't lie, because they're going to go on a website and be like, the answer is no, what are you going to make of it? Yeah, so maybe we can tweak it with some weight limits and using just recreational vehicles to close it to that, which would buy us maybe the time to get it to the replacement, because you make the point I wasn't here in Irene, and so that's an excellent point. Now you go out to do that. There's a big telephone slip cabinet that gets access to a lot of utilities there. So just make sure everything's open. Make sure the utilities and stuff can get to them in their vehicle. Even if there's a barrier there, we can back out to them. Do you want to get off the road safely? Absolutely, well that makes sense. Yeah, no, we're just trying to, I was looking at the MNTCD standard manual to figure out how, so that someone would be able to go through there to try to find a proper way. Well that's the problem, if you've got a nine foot opening and even though you stop maintaining it, they're going to go right through there. And if you've got a more half of an opening, as long as you can get through. Right, ATV, I guess you're that. ATV trailer or anything like that. Just to expand a little bit on Colin's point about the hole in the road. Was that on the camera side? Yeah, you go across the watershed. Right there. But there's also a funky intersection there. I think I would want to see the input from Marlborough Valley Emulants because, and if I was living up on Camp River I'd be a little concerned because if that road is shut down and the emulants uses that road to access Rochester, Greenville and Tocque as well, I know it puts a little bit of financial burden on the town of Bethel that's kind of cutting off some possible access. Oh for Werver, if they come across to head out of Camp River. Right. Say we have to flood and develop a pole again. Or an accident. I mean the trucks that use that road are crazy. Oh you can't road, yes. If you come from Randolph to go to Camp River, it stops on what you see. Absolutely. I think that road closed in that section and traffic and watershed quite a few times. Right, and that's the problem too now is we're working on Camp River this summer and it's late and I was up there myself several times. But that's part of the problem is diverting heavy trucks over that bridge is something we can't continue to do. So we need to figure it out as far as It would be nice to see them cut off all heavy traffic going over the mountain. Make them go around the mountain. We try. Because you see trucks that have no business being up there. Yeah. It's true. I've actually worked with the state. If you come into the town office there's a chalkboard in the room and I was working with the state about we need to figure this out because we're getting calls and there's people in a budget rental truck up there with all season tires at three in the morning. So the road crews getting called. So I did talk to the state. I have some signs there for the road foreman to order to basically stop that. We had even worked after the April flood which was difficult trying to get hold of Google and MathFest and all those people to say stop putting people over this road and sending them the other way. This is the key tour. And we actually had some success with that for a while. But yeah that's the I'm looking at signage for the bottom because there's signage now that got ordered a year or so ago. It's a little weird. It needs to come down. We need to put signage on. It's not going to be maintained from this time. It's only maintained from whatever 6 a.m. 1 p.m. and you know the traffic. There's sort of a blow by but we're just not going to go out in the morning and help them. But it was. It was just crazy. Excuse me. I would have to double check because that's a federal highway so I'll have to ask them about the finding. I can ask DMV for your comment to comment said we don't have scales so it has to be someone specific who has the training to pull over to issue tickets for overweight and they have to have scales. So we certainly could ask the DMV comment set up there and find out. I can talk some more to either Ryan Slack or Chris Funk about you know the fine. But like I said they go hand in hand overweight. We don't have scales so we can't do that. I mean maybe there's an opportunity when we close it in the springtime maybe there's an opportunity to I don't know gated or something and in a case of emergency we could have access to the bridge. You know of course just kind of looking back through the notes. You know the first notes appeared in the springtime. I don't know. The first notes appeared in June of 2011 when it started talking about even at that point the documentation on that was about the beam rail that needs to be repaired but also talks about stream and bankment areas that are eroding. And then since then we've gone through Irene and the flood events. So that's probably these notes now are probably more significant of more erosion. I think we've kind of maybe dodged the bullet on that that nothing has happened with the bridge or motorists there. It's really a matter of time. It doesn't spend any time on top of that bridge. We did have three bridges that are all got stuff going on and that was the only bridge of the three that we said well it doesn't have to be here because the other two have to be there. So we could prioritize the other two and then backfill this one. Maybe there's a way. We had some time. Maybe there's a way that we can use it to open it up for emergency vehicle if we did have a significant event Of course that bridge is probably the only bridge that's still on that road. And it looks that right? It's crazy. There's a reason why it's the worst bridge now. It's survived so many events. So let me reach out to the state and talk to them a little bit about it and see about when we do that, when we gait it and maybe just gaiting it along would buy us time. So that it's not utilized for a while but it's gated for emergencies and for snowmobiles to us then maybe that would get us to where we need to go down the road to get a structures grant and to deal with it. The problem with it is the structures grant is always the match, right? And right now we're dealing with ERAC which is our 12.5% of all the damage that happened in Abel. And we just received a structures grant last year for Lillisville bridge. Which typically you get structures grant about every two, three years. So I mean Lillisville we actually got two grants for that bridge. One for the engineering portion of it and one for the high bridge. It was high bridge. High bridge right on that corner there. So we probably won't even qualify for one until next year. So you got a couple of them. The problem is if you look at bridge inspections and you read them all you can see where nothing has been done. You know they were really smart. We need them just great with the ones that didn't have anything done so we're trying to address that. So let's see what we can do and talk about what works for you guys. And I'll just keep you and Lillisville trying to figure out what we're going to do. As I was saying we're still the match of the E-Rap for about $118,000 to deal with some of this stuff. That's not Nello bridge, the permanent bridge which I'm working on right now. And Peabot and Sly. So the next year we'll have an E-Rap share of the damage from that that we have to eat. So it's a tough thing. You don't qualify for grants like that. Not to this extent. That does have some grants but that is really funneling their money into northern stuff and they would it would have to be a bridge that would be only pretty much only for snowmills. Okay that's what I wondered. We could have replaced the town bridge. But you could, I wonder about that. Of course the challenge there is that the stream channel continues to get wider and wider. So what might be a 20 foot bridge now and 30 foot bridge you know. We've got only in that most of our bridges pretty much on all these big floods that have been pretty much unscathed. We have one further, two over Canberra one that goes down it's just above Sargent's where the trail crosses that goes down and we have a bridge in the air and then way up which is Canberra but it's just a truck at that point and that one's actually still, we actually redacted this year that one's on a telephone pole bridge. Which is pretty up in the middle but it's, you know, below. It's holding. We redacted it, we would have loved to have put IBM's in it but... So do we want to... I know, if I'm going to give us just like 20 million we can do a lot of things with that, right? So do we want to put this back on the agenda for March and then we can talk about a closing date maybe at mud season or something. And then we can talk to the state a little bit too and see about that and they have any good advice about that. So we won't make any decision on it tonight. Can we get any funding for the time of our meeting with the creation of a pretty close up... IBM is still in use and we wouldn't have funding for everything at all. One would have thought that it probably would have qualified for something but again the thing that like Terese was saying is anytime these notes are on the bridge there's notes on that bridge prior to Irene. So what happens is FEMA looks at those... Yeah, so what happens is even though there might be some more damage to the bridge or the stream channel they'll go back and look at those notes and say well had this been addressed and if you can't prove that then they're less likely to give any type of grant money. I'm lying on when they think you should fix it so it was June of 11 and August of 11. No, they just send you the notes saying they inspect them every couple of years and say so have those notes. And they didn't look at them because we had this over lined bridge to one in Lilliesville. They had been telling on Bethel for a while to do some debris removal under that bridge and Bethel didn't do it. So when I did it this time after the April flood they're like we're only going to pay for a portion of it because it said right here that you had to remove a specific amount so we quantified that and then we paid for our share of the work we should have done prior and then FEMA was going to pay for the balance minus our 12.5%. So they look at it. What we had on it was from October of this past year and the last sentence of the notes was the wing failure a few years ago still hasn't been repaired so it's in there. And that wing failure appeared on their assessment of October of 2013. And I will tell you they will close the bridge. Like two or three o'clock on a Friday they close the bridge and may not be in town. Oh yeah. So they will do that. They do have the authority to close it and they'll do it. Well we can work on some options for how we may not be able to address that for the snowmobile club. Because they do have the authority to close the bridge. So we'll see what we can do. We can probably work with it if we can still write slides over it. If we have to do something different with the topper to get it out and around. Well let me see what I can find. He might be able to put some sort of... Yeah we might be able to put some sort of gate on it that covers all four or five feet of the bridge and then you can go around it and if it needs to be used for some emergency you can open it. All right. Anything else? Discussion or update on the Bethel Royalton transfer station. So there was in the select board of Royalton and they were asking us asking you all to reconsider a vote outcome that they were unhappy with at the BRTS board but I gave you a copy of the interlocal agreement and if you look at that they had no authority to do that. In my opinion at their select board meeting and I don't think you have the authority to vote on anything here either. It was clearly not a tie and the interlocal agreement is very specific and says the only time that you can do this is if it's a tie and it wasn't. So if you're okay I'd like to write back a letter to the Royalton board and let them know that the town of Bethel's life board is not taking up this issue because per the section of the interlocal agreement you don't have the authority to do so. There are some interlocal agreement pieces of the interlocal agreement that we are going to start to adhere to. One of them is the orders I'm going to try to send a package or maybe attend the next BRTS board meeting to make sure that that's worked out. So there's some interlocal agreement pieces we're not agreeing to that we're not doing excuse me and I'm just there for a reason we need to hear it with. So I did see that there was a piece in the paper and then of course you got the letter from them. Well that was kind of my opinion after while just looking through the interlocal agreement you know first the joint board has the decision making abilities for the day to day operations of that facility where the select board has the decision making authority basically on the futuristic of the establishment as well as any financial relations to it but not day to day operations. And then looking under section 5 the agreement which is talking about quorum and voting you know this item was taken up by the joint board and we have a quorum that night from what I understand there was no tie in the voting so at this point it really would be overreaching on our part to do that. I know that maybe the decision wasn't favorable but I would agree at this point I know we have a letter here from the town of Royalton but you know I just don't see it how us voting on this or not voting on this was going to change anything there. I mean I think at this point it would be up to the joint board to relook at the decision if that's what they wanted to do but I think the only thing that I am concerned about there without going into any detail but based upon the decision that was made there there has been some threatening gestures and behaviors that have happened since then that does concern me on the fact that if it is handled properly it could open the town of Bethel and the town of Royalton to a lawsuit and you know not to say that it's not being handled correctly now but right now it's in the hands of the combination of the joint board and the police department but this threatening behavior has been ongoing since then just making sure that I think at this point that the joint board gives the support to the individual that's being targeted because if they you know maybe don't feel that they're getting the support then it could become a larger issue which we would obviously be responsible, have responsible priority for them and it probably should be something that we brought up at your next meeting which will be in February so those are my kind of two cents I don't know how the rest of the board dealt but the board's okay with it and that's my plan is to just write a letter back to the Royalton board and just help them and we're not going to take this issue up and refer them back to the Angelos agreement yeah I feel the same way that the same sentiment that Chris has, I mean there are other vehicles for them to bring that topic back up for discussion if they want to through the joint board or they could you know they could potentially bring it up in other business you know at the time we can just forget it and table it so there are other vehicles for discussion but there's no authority as far as I can see that this board has to I can't see any reason to bring it up again after what's been happening to the manager you know you're just giving in to people harassing and threatening and why would we want to bring it up again and you had a legitimate vote it wasn't like it was closed it was board one no not one, you know we lost, we won so I think it's alright I just wanted to... this is just not the way to talk about you know because I read the article in the paper and then I got the letter but I had the letter after it had already gone in the paper so I just wanted to make sure that the board had the consensus board before it wrote the letter back I think we talked about it I don't know if it was the last meeting and the one before that when they were deciding about the free table and we did talk about it you know I mean I think you know when we talked about before you know if you just look at but if you look into the reasoning behind that and from what Mo was you know before my time here in Bethel you know there used to be a swap check before we camped the original landfill that was a white building by the Intrigue, that was a swap shop I think he's on the still there they closed that for the same reason he got people throwing garbage at him and we built a new building the transfer they did have a free check for a while but the same thing happened then and they got closed for a while so I think it's pretty unfortunate I mean I know I've donated what I perceive to be nice items there you know if it has a stain or slightly broken I throw it out if it's nice nice I put it on the table but I think you know it's one of those cases that takes a few to spoil you know everybody else the other thing is kind of because it's always fun to revisit the interlocal agreement and I did have a conversation I think with Therese a little bit on this but looking through the budget portion of it it does stay in here that the joint board shall review on or before November 30th of each year prove or revise and approve and propose budget upon approval of the joint board the budget shall be transmitted to the select boards of the town of Bethel and Royalton for final approval and I don't think that we've ever formally accepted in a budget other than usually it's informational so that might be a little bit of a I'm going to send that to the joint board shoot up the letter there because I talked to the BRTS manager Jen Bartleman and said I have a couple things for your next agenda I'll send for you to put in when one of them is the warrants and one of them is the is dealing with that as the budget and that budget needs to be revisited I think the BRTS board approved it in October but let's come to light that there may be some modifications needed to be made and I did tell the Jen that I would be happy to take a look I said just give me an hour with budget and we'll look at it see what we need to make for changes and then we'll send it and the BRTS will look at it and then send it to both the boards and also have them do your own warrants I talked to Pam Brown Town Clerk about how we wanted to do that and any other operational signatures that need to be on any other items that should be all done by the joint board exactly and that's what I was going to go and I signed some things because they had a piece of equipment coming and I changed the wording on it when I signed it so that it was warrants but I want to let the BRTS board know look I signed it it's a month come on I'm going to have you guys sign and ratify it or not that's your choice and I have to look for a month but there was a piece of equipment coming and she was like well I have a choice so and I know we go down the rabbit hole every couple of years with this local agreement it's it's pretty black and white I mean it spells out the agreement pretty well other than it doesn't seem like either town or the facility ever wants to adhere to the agreement I mean it really is what it boils down to I think to the board itself the BRTS board is you know it's great about it and so it's certainly going to bring these things to their attention and like I said I signed the other day and I'm like I'm not supposed to be done but I'm going to sign it anyways to get the equipment here and it's a month and month so I said to the gentleman from Casella well they don't want it they'll have to go with you in a month but well I had to be done in a bit of six weeks before we had our meeting yeah we either had to call the special meeting or have you do what you did right and I was certainly doing it to keep the wheels turning but wanted to just make sure so and it was interesting too because I found out that Casella was listed as the operator which I did not know so that was and try not to stick my nose in transfer stations there was a lot of things down there that was happening that the board was not aware of yeah and I think they'll change you have a new manager I think the things you know transparent what's that saying a new room sweeps clean is that it and so but anyways alright well that's good I'll draft that letter to the board of the Royalty board yeah well yeah because at this point I think they were looking for either a response a favorable response if not having some sort of open forum to discuss it which I don't feel that there's a need to do that as well no I'm sorry Mo can have all the discussions he wants that's right it's monthly meeting yeah just think Judy she'll back you up I think she's taking a step in the right direction down there needed it for a long time thank you I've got a lot of stuff to do but there's a lot of stuff that nobody would want yeah it was time people are really happy with how the building is looking maybe the point on Saturday when I was down there to tell Jen thank you for that it hasn't been easy so thank you but yeah I think so I've heard really positive from Bethel residents and like the fact that they're reinstituting the numbers issue for going across the scales and you know Jen was in a good position because she's been on the RTS board before so she was looking and she worked there a while ago so she understands the workings and I think yeah you know give her a year or so which has already made some good choices and I think it'll be great I really appreciated Bethel residents support she said she's had a lot of that and it's made some other things talkable good any further discussion okay and then the last item we had was the one we had added which was to reappoint the two members on the planning commission which should have already been done but the terms would expire in 2021 yeah so it's Cecil Washburn and Peter Dorn and they both came to me after the planning commission meeting we should have been reappointed in 2018 we keep showing up but I'm like okay I appreciate that but they did just ask just you know I don't think they want to be sneaking three extra years and they said 2020 I said alright they both seem like they've served quite a while 2021 yeah and it's Cecil and Peter Dorn so I would entertain a motion to reappoint Cecil Washburn and Peter Dorn to the terms of the planning commission with their term expiring 2021 alright so if anybody wants to join the planning commission Doug's got a lot of time now you can fill up a lot of these committees Doug her name came up someone from Cecil and said she would be wonderful and actually somebody else came in and suggested your wife as well she did well she did well she has an active committee so you guys want to join the planning commission alright so last meeting we talked about and it was questions about the licensing so both Bethel's water and wastewater facility require a grade 2 license so Richard is going to run under Tim's license as an operator in training and his H2O so his water course is in April and the test is in the May and his wastewater test is in the fall so he'll do the same thing class one month and then you know get to class and then taking the test so he's ready to help him with studying formulas and all that sort of stuff and Tim has even gone to class to speak to the instructor instructors and both doing the water and wastewater class so that's good and the water class is going to be I believe in Barry or Montpelier and I don't and I think he said rather than for wastewater but it was a question you had and that's the answer if I had to ask him again what the level you all were so so we talked about the planning commission, we talked about the work environment and stuff that we talked about tonight so Paul has been doing a great job trying to get rid of those chairs in the basement that Alex saw and in the garage so that's just good and Paul also had asked me about the property that we own on Sugar Hill we're obviously in the process of evicting the tenant and I believe that the tenant has gone to try and verify that Oscar did go up the other day said hadn't been plowed there was no tracks in there but I'm going to be writing we can issue a 48 hour notice it says Landlord may enter without a tenant's permission but only after no less than 48 hours notice because obviously the concern is you know what's going on if their heads was water free is there anything like that do we have keys to the place and stuff or how do you pretend wasn't going to bring them to me so 48 hours when kicking the door or I might know somebody who could unlock the door well and it might be already unlocked I don't know situations but I did send Oscar up there to walk around the property said it hadn't been plowed so perhaps it's been vacated I did already do the follow up paper work with the state of the court so I asked them oh I had to issue or write a motion for a summary of judgment asking for rid of possession basically so that we can go in and ask so but an issue of 48 hour notice and then Oscar was going to go up and access the property obviously we have insurance and the plan always was to sell it as is so while I hope that you know the water hasn't frozen as an issue but kind of the plan was to sell it as is so but it takes a while it's at 459 the town bought it two three years ago now at a taxi probably even farther than that back in Houston came on right before I came on back in Houston so we're working at it anyways so Oscar did go up and then you know hike up there because it hadn't been plowed so and yeah some Paul says he thinks he might have somebody to get rid of our to take our chairs so that would be great less things to trip over down there so since our last meeting Tim and I had our 90% meeting with Aldrich and Elliot the projects on trash David just sent me actually the draft easements because what's going to happen is you can have so temporary construction easements are pretty easy permanent easement and the person who owns the property has a mortgage then you have to write to the mortgage company and the mortgage company has to give a partial release so it's processed so he actually just sent those this afternoon and just printed them out there on my desk so that I can read through those so what will happen is once the engineer goes through the my go through and we approve them he'll take the word draft off from them and then we'll start meeting with people to get them to sign the easements so there's several easements to have the big water construction project happen so we will be working on that shortly so also as far as we had talked about Crystal Drive so we talked Tim and I had a meeting with Patrick Smartt and he gave us some good information about that how to move forward what he was looking for was out of time frame obviously our thing is if we end up drilling wells on Crystal Drive that's obviously a cost that this package is not going to cover and so we were trying to push that out a little bit obviously we have a $2.8 million project coming we don't want to take on a side project so we have to get a little bit of information from our attorney and a little bit more information from the engineer we're going to send them up there and have them start doing a site survey so they can decide where can we site these wells so if we were to move that way we talked to him a little bit about some of the concerns of the tenants or the residents excuse me of Crystal Drive and he was very good very positive about it and they've been wonderful so once we can get a little more things done we'll write to the residents of Crystal Drive and just trying to keep them in and let them know what's going on so the town report is printed which is great so obviously always treat working with pennies falling fresh that went out really well I met with two representatives from Senator Sanders office regarding funding topics one of the topics that I talked about was that obviously we have several sometimes older residents that come in and have issues about water bills and things like that ask them about help for seniors or veterans that sort of thing they did say that if they had any particular need that they were getting everything they were entitled to from Social Security or from the vegans to reach out they had people that do that one of the ladies Haley Perrow is sending a list of all the recreation grant opportunities and told her we'd be doing another AFG grant they're obviously prepared to write us a letter of support so that was helpful it's just nice to be able to talk to them to let them know that we had some seniors some issues to see what they could do so more work with FEMA that's an ongoing process I did just get an email this today in my inbox from the state of Vermont so we may actually be sitting our federal highway which is all the money we have tied up in Camp Road Road which would be great because I had to take a draw off that loan to put those bills so that would go directly to MassFoam Bank but that's what we've been waiting for I did draft the RFP for the Hydraulic Study for Pinello Bridge and then sent that out to Chris Bump and Mike Flakes please ask them to take a peek Chris said he wanted to speak to a couple people at the state he felt like maybe there was a couple things that they could do but I'm just kind of letting him know that you know I have a timeline on this I need to get the hydraulic study done which he thinks will take probably about two weeks in house it's kind of it's just a computer module but the fact is he knows what we're trying to do which is basically to replace that bridge with something just like it I did speak to the fire chief to see if I needed to go any wider than the existing footage that's there it's like it's about 17 feet and he said no he said look Trace there was a fire I might put rescue across everything else is going to stay on the other side anyway so that was an issue for him you know fuel trucks are getting across somebody did just move into the house so I did let the road crew know that but so that's on target obviously we're trying to get that temporary bridge or the permanent bridge wrapped up obviously there was a legal burning so I sent a resident a letter about that and talked to the state so we're all set there still working on an issue with the culvert on the Schooner Road that has been an issue since Irene but nice people just trying to display the myth that we did not the Bethel did not receive money and then put the money somewhere else that did not happen Bethel was giving money to put something back that's what it was but obviously they feel it's failing and so I've been working with Jaren Gorg at the state and I realize it's class 4 but we may need to be doing something out there so it was a liability issue there where's your order to that? it's Newt Crossman so it's on Schooner to Troutbrook and apparently after Irene they were promised a big box culvert and it didn't happen so there was an old fuel tank that got a draw that was dragged back into place that's what's there now and it's not doing well it wasn't doing well then and that's the only thing the town got reimbursed for was to just put that thing back in place but they were promised a proper box culvert there a bridge that didn't happen and the problems only got a little worse so I requested the hydraulic study that was done at the time and the river engineers, Jaren Gorg sent it to me and I was hoping we could something else would work there but it's not going to so it is class 4 which it makes sense because FEMA wouldn't have given us any money for a class 4 road anyways no they got money it has to be a loose class at that time right, exactly maybe a private yeah the private they did not have that specific chain some but not bottom line is however they were promised something they have been through town manager so and they sent me a packet a small bill as I said they're just really frustrated very nice people and I can certainly understand what their issue is so from a liability standpoint it may be something that we are going to have to tackle and that's so I'm still looking into that and writing them a letter back I dropped them a letter not promising them anything just telling them we are certainly where the situation this is where we sit with us right now and so it would be nice to give them closure they've been battling this whole thing for years so I know you feel by class 4 roads but we'll find out this may just be a this may be a liability which you may have to tackle so and that's it in the nutshell the slight forward meeting minutes from the 13th if they have any questions with those for the record Paul I fixed the spelling of your name in the last one sorry you're going out of possibility of correction you can't imagine the variations of spelling I've had oh yes my name spelling it the wrong way that's alright it was my first name Paul I've seen it all I I call it all sorts of things to make a motion we accept the minutes submitted okay all in favor all right and other communications it was brick committee DRB notice oh we stuck in the brick committee they were supposed to be slated they remembered to come in tonight they received their estimate on the skate park of Parker construction there was some issue if they didn't understand what the in kind was so that when they got their estimate from Parker it included a track skid steer a roller a compact but we don't have all this equipment I can't I'm not going to rent to come to do your project we don't have it also have materials in it and that wasn't part of the agreement so I did write back to the entire committee after I attended that meeting and said okay here's the issues that you need to address and they I think they still were waiting to hear back from Parker board doesn't want to see you again until you have a firm number and a firm plan so I pushed them off to February 10th maybe the next meeting and if they're not ready then we'll just keep kicking it out until they're ready to go but I just wanted to let you know that was an update attending that meeting there seems to be some differing opinions in their minutes concerning the skateboard part yes there were, yeah but it was good at least everything was cared they had a conversation about it I know there's people that are frustrated with it because there hasn't been any progress made and they're certainly on the cusp of making progress it's just really going to depend on the estimate since we board already agreed to sole source it to Parker that's great but there certainly was a misunderstanding about what the plan was going to be and as I stated at the meeting we can't give you equipment we don't have, we don't own a track skates here, don't own a roller compact, I can't give you that so Shane is going to revisit that topic with Parker just saying we don't have I was like I gave him some names of people in the community that maybe have that they could, they could assist them like we just don't own it so anyways so but you won't see them now until February anything else to come before the board? yes just to note I was here a few weeks ago regarding the Bethel Operators Manual it's like it's coming to fruition right now it's open for comment so if you guys get a chance I think you can open the URL just google Bethel Operators Manual I think you'll be able to get to the bottom right of the site no it's not this is the draft link and where it is that you can make comments very much when do we have until the comment until February 3rd I think I have the URL so anybody wants to know I pulled it up already and looked at a significant document there's a lot in there and there's a lot in there and slightly wrong so yeah I do have some comments about the section that they asked me to look at so I've been talking to Victoria yep I was here in my section that you gave me and then I put my notes on it and then gave it to David Ultra Getty and said here are my notes, do you see anything else on there that way because I think you'd ask for him to look at it too and then some of the comments on it are hard copy and that's it David Shaw great we've been thinking about that working on that so we'll have copies ready for our non-meeting also I shouldn't say this, no I ask you guys for money but we've got some donations, significant donations so we should be able to have a good number of copies okay good and how old those copies will always be they're going to be we're not going to have enough for every household so if you need some we'll have some up in the town office and it'll kind of be just distributed as long as they last but not like distribution it's going to be available online too most of the younger generation will just go that way but there are workbooks that we've got to do anything else you all favorite alright, thank you