 Welcome back, so let's chat ladies, should couples get married when they're broke? Is there a time financially when it's better to tie the knot? Broke is relative. Right, yeah, that's true. That is so true. I think it's good. I think it's okay. If a couple is ready to get married, you know, you don't have to have the big fancy, you know, spend tens of thousand dollars on a wedding. You know, that's not why people get married. It shouldn't be a reason. You don't think there should be some sort of financial stability along with the emotional stability of the relationship to build your future? Financial stability is something that you're always working towards. Right, right. You know, once you get to a place where you're comfortable, you're always still looking to move to another place where you can get more comfortable and look for a place. So it's evolving. Your financial, your financial, I know my finances are evolving, I don't know about evolving. But to Madison's point, I think in a marriage what happens you do is you decide, you know, you should talk about it. You should talk about, have that conversation before you get married. Hey, listen, this is where we are financially. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Enough with what you should, what did you and your husband do? Tell me about that conversation. We were broke. Yeah. We were broke. We didn't have a house. He was just getting out of graduate school. I was working, so he didn't have a job. But we knew that picture going in, so we got a little apartment. Did he have a ring? When he imposed pros to me, we did not have a ring. No. We did not afford to have a ring. Really? Right. We got married 90 days before we got married. But we talked about it. See, that's the difference. We knew our picture going in. It wasn't like there was some expectation that he had a million dollars in the bank that he was hiding. And I think that's what's missing. People are not having the conversation. Well, but I think a lot of men, even, you know, guys I've been in relationships with them past have said, you know, I love you, but I've got to make a little more money, get myself financially stable before we build a future. And I'm wondering, is that an excuse because he doesn't really want to build a future or is he really concerned about his finances? I think, for most men, they are concerned about their finances. Men think about it more than women do. They want to see them. They visualize and see themselves, at least I think, in a way where they are successful and they're doing this and then they got the ring and then they got the girl. So they have a different way of visualizing what marriage or weddings look like. As opposed to women, we'll just jump in. Oh, yeah. It doesn't matter. Where's my twisty tie for a ring? I love my wife, man. I did meet a woman who had said to a male friend of mine, she pulled out this picture in Cosmopolitan of this ring that was worth about $50,000 plus and she tore it out and she said, don't ask me to marry you until you can get me this. See, there's a lot of women out there who are like that, who want to make sure their man can afford their lifestyle that they want for themselves. Now, at the time, I was like, okay, this is a bit shallow. However, at the same time, is it shallow because she just knows what she wants and she's on it. Yes. She was honest. She was honest. She was honest. She was like, no. That's true. Look, this is the kind of life I want to live in. If you can't give it to me, don't ask me to marry you. That's true. She should give it to herself. Absolutely. That's what I'm saying. Well, good that she was honest, but also as women, we have to identify potential, right? Where my husband and I are financially today, we weren't 22 years ago. Yeah. But again, we had the conversation across the road. So sometimes it's women. I'm a caution the $50,000 ring early when it's not going to be sustainable. But also, what your vision of marriage may be different from someone else's. My vision of marriage when I got married was, and I remember saying this to my ex, saying, you know what, as long as we're happy, I'm okay if we live in a trailer park. Okay. Now, years later, I get that repeated back to me as if I didn't know that you wanted me to buy the trailer park. Well, no. You see, like, I'm nervous to have that conversation about finances. Why? I don't really want to share all of my secrets. Well, wait. My purchases are like, I just, for some reason, it makes me very, very nervous and very hesitant to be completely open. Wait, what secrets are you keeping? Well, no, no. Not necessarily secrets, but, I mean, debt, I feel like a man who wants to marry me is like, oh, but I don't want to be responsible for all her baggage. So you feel that he'll reject you. Student loans, car payments, et cetera, because I feel like that is just kind of a few times. Okay. I'm a little old fashioned that way, I think. When you have a marriage, you are marrying. Absolutely. You're marrying. Yes. Your financial life, along with your emotional life. Okay. But speaking with your emotional life, then, if you're not as financially stable, does that cause more problems in your relationship? But I think it's where you put the emphasis. No. You know what? It doesn't. You're right. It's where you put the emphasis. Again, you ask me, and I'll go back to it. We didn't have a lot. We didn't have a lot. But what we had, and don't dismiss this, ladies, is we talked about what our future was going to look like together. And we said we only make X amount of money, and we've worked in those means. And I know people. And I put pressure on him. I know couples who have had a lot of money, and they spent that money ignoring each other. Right. And it didn't help them in their marriage. That's powerful. It's really relative. And I think I love you. It's really relative. You have a million dollars. You don't love each other. You have a dollar for... You can afford to spend more time away from each other. You're going to talk a little bit, but you're happy because you're looking at each other's eyes. On that note, we'll be back with more every way women. Stay tuned. I can buy my own trailer park. No.