 Board Member Burch can you please test your audio and video for me? Here we are You're good to go. Thank you Yes, I'm here But I can hear you Yeah, I ask if I could get a link sent to my email and Because I that's the only way my laptop will allow me to join but I've got my iPad as a backup Okay, let me all grab the link and email it to you right now That'd be great. Thank you. Of course Board Member Sharon, can you please test your audio and video for me? Thank you very much Okay, I can't see I guess you're in full screen. So but I can't see myself. Okay. Hey Michelle Yes, sir. Yeah, let's let's I'll power through on my iPad. I don't this is a long meeting I don't want to hold things up Okay, well, we are still waiting for chair Weigel to join us. So Then I will I will try that. Did you send the link just now? I'm Amy is working on it right now Okay. All right. I'll I'm gonna stop then and rejoin But I'll hop back on I on iPad if I don't get a resolve real quick, okay? Okay, that sounds great. Thank you so much Project planner Murray, can you please test your audio and video for me? Can you see me now? Well, I guess I should blur my vision my background here Yes, I can see you. Thank you I'll take care of that before I go on Board Member Weigel, can you test your audio and video for me, please? I am working on a video one second Thank you, Chair Weigel. You're good to go Chair Weigel just real quick. I am waiting for we had a technical difficulty with Board Member Wicks He is jumping back on now So if we can wait just another minute or two before we get started that would be great Absolutely works for me great, and I apologize for being a little late my my daughter's birthday is today And so we were doing a couple things before the meeting. Okay. Well, happy birthday to your daughter Board Member Wicks, do you want to do a video and audio check for me, please? How's the audio? We can see and hear you. Thank you so much. You're welcome All right, Chair Weigel. We're ready to start whenever you are Well, then let's have all the board members turn their screens on their videos here And then we'll get rocking and rolling right. I think we have everybody so it is uh 435 it looks like and I'd like to call the regular scheduled meeting of the design review board to order If I could uh recording secretary, uh get a roll call Yes, thank you Let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of vice chair Hedgepath Awesome. Okay. Uh, so at this time I'd like to remind everybody why we're still in a virtual setting uh pursuant to government code section 54953e and the recommendation of the health officer of the county of Sonoma The design review board members will be participating in this meeting via zoom webinar Members of the public may participate virtually at www.zoom.us slash join Or by toll-free telephone 877-853-5257 And you can use the meeting ID 816-117-61047 for both online and calling in Public access to the meeting is through zoom can provide comments during public come up periods additional information related to the meeting participation is available at srcity.org slash design review board For any members of the public asset accessing Sorry, the meeting will be live streamed also on the city's website And also on the city's youtube channel and also on comcast channel 28 So let's move to the approval of minutes. Uh, did everybody get a chance to review the november 4th minutes Anybody have any additions or changes and adjustments to the minutes? Seeing no additions changes or adjustments. Uh, let's move those minutes into the record, please Uh, item three public comment This time any member of the public may address matters not listed on the agenda that are within the subject matter of the design review board Each speaker one call may have three minutes to speak and We will do that through zoom So you need to hit the little raise your hand button If you wish to speak On items not on the agenda Okay, chair weigel it looks like we have no hands raised at this time And i'm seeing that as well. So I will close public comment at this time Uh, so number four item four board business. Uh, this is where we read the statement of purpose of the design review board Uh in the zoning code chapter 20 52.0 30 f project review The review authority shall consider the location design site planning configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan apical zoning code standards and requirements consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other apical city requirements e.g city policy statements and development plans Uh, are there any board member reports at this time? and then I don't think we have any other business. I guess something that we should just note Is that uh, Henry do you have something for a business board member report? um It is with a bit of a heavy heart and uh, but under careful consideration um, I this will be my last uh Design review board meeting I effective after the meeting. I will resign my appointment um like to thank councilman John Sawyer for appointing me and um per the oath that I took and and the purview of this design review board. I hope I've contributed uh to the the city's uh continued development and I'd also like to thank staff for always bringing us uh projects that were very complete and Ready for our comments and approvals For the most part I'd also like to thank my fellow board members chairman. Well, I don't appreciate your insights on architecture and History from war and I wish he was here to say say good night, but I'll I'll call him later and the other board members the newer ones that Showed me some fresh insights that I hadn't thought of before and always Always keeping us on the straight and narrow and really appreciate Being in this position but professional reasons in san antonio and and travel is is Causing me to to to make the decision to step down and let somebody else that will be able to do it full time I also hope the board gets back in the in the in the chamber soon Hopefully the pandemic is is waning uh with this less uh Lesser variant and the variant weakens and and goes away if we can all get back to our normal lives But I I hope our board gets back in the chamber because that's where we're the most effective and Seeing clients seeing people talking face to face one on one You know seeing color boards and and allowing me to use the laser pointer and and uh, that's that's it's all helpful in in our process. So Good luck to the board and I won't take any more time because I know we got a really full agenda. So thank you Thanks Henry and it's it's been a pleasure having you on the board and I know you've been You've lived in Sonoma county for a long time and uh your your thoughts and comments have been Appreciated so thank you so much. Uh, there is one other thing Uh, I don't want to go into too much detail about this, but I did want to let everybody know that Vice chair Hedgepeth is having some health concerns and that that's why he is not Here this evening. So I just wanted to let everybody know that and and uh, send him your thoughts and prayers And hopefully he'll be back with us soon And then without further ado, we'll go to the department report from Board liaison Amy Nicholson All right, good evening. Thank you Chair Weigel and members of the board It's nice to see many of you and happy new year Thank you for the update board member wicks We will certainly miss having you on this board and appreciate all of your contributions over the years Just as we move into this new year Um And we are hoping to have More um consistent meetings. We did have some time off toward the end of the year. So We are looking to having a meeting a second meeting this month, which would be on January 20th And then kind of upcoming items we do have a number of kind of our regular development review items But we're also hoping to bring forward a Rules and regulations item for this board In the coming months and then also a report out on our missing middle housing initiative That some of you may be familiar with and we're at a great spot now to share What we've learned so we look forward to presenting that hopefully in early february and I believe that concludes my report this evening. Thank you Thanks, Amy. Appreciate you. Um, so Item number six statements of abstention. Does anybody have any abstentions on the four scheduled items for this evening? All right, seeing none. Uh, we will go to consent items, which we have none And so we will roll Into our schedule items before we start our scheduled items I sent a note to everybody just to let them know that I've asked staff and the applicant to try to be As as brief as possible with their presentations Because we do have four items to get through tonight And I don't want to keep everybody Late because I know we all have families and other obligations in the evening time So please again, make sure your comments are are pointed and Board members. Sorry make sure your comments are pointed and swift if you can please So we can move move quickly through everything We do have kind of a combination of a couple of things. We've got concept reviews and a couple of public hearings. So We'll have to do all the parts and pieces for all of those So without further ado We'll move to item 8.1, which is a concept design review item airway cell storage 33 83 airway drive file number dr 2106 oh And I Believe we've seen this before but I'm not sure Uh, so we'll go to the staff presentation from Susie Murray Hello chair weigel and members of the board I'm going to attempt sharing my screen here Can you see it? We have success Susie And and it looks like it's in a presentation mode as well You know, I'm I'm going to get I'm going to master this sometime in 2022 It is one of my my new year's resolutions. So So before I open I just want to say to I'm very surprised and disappointed personally by uh board member wicks's Resignation, but I also wish you the best and thank you very much for the time that you have been with us. So Very sincerely So the project before the board today is uh the airway self storage This is a concept design review and as far as I know You have not seen this one before but we have seen a lot of self storage projects So this one is located at 33 83 airway drive, which is an arterial street Which is one of the quirky requirements about self storage Facilities that they need to be located on arterial streets Again, it's a concept design review for a 62 000 square foot two-story self storage storage structure and they will be offering 569 Individual units least that's the plan at this point And the only required entitlement is design review and this project will be coming back to the design review board Here's an aerial view of the property as it appears today At least at the time this picture was taken And then pulling back a little bit here's the the neighborhood And to give you an idea of what's surrounding It's it's really surrounded on all sides by light industrial and commercial uses Um, it also uh, then there's some residential off to the the west there The general plan land use designation for this area Is is light industry and the zoning district is light industrial, which is consistent and you can see that's all It's all It's consistent all the way around there Here are some conceptual That is the conceptual architecture and both the east street facing and south elevations I'm I will I'm going to leave my presentation up if you have any questions the applicant Will be available to explain these if need be Here is a materials board and I'd like to point out that this was updated So and I think the the biggest change was probably uh the two the gray stucco Finish in agreeable gray and then the corrugated metal Paint finished color of old town gray So here's the site plan and um, this one always captures me a little bit because the building occupies It seems like everything on the site. So I just wanted to throw this Um rendering in there as well just so that you could kind of get some perspectives And then a larger version of some very nice renderings. Thank you to the applicant for that And here we go from a different perspective I've received no public comments signs were posted notices were mailed pursuant to The zoni code requirements And I would like to point out that this is not a project In terms of cbla because no action is being taken I the project is before you on a concept basis And with that the applicant and the planning and economic Development department are requesting that the design review board provide comments and direction for the airway storage Or self storage project And for those people members of the public that may be watching my name again or listening and not watching My name again is susie murray Um and telephone number is 707-543-4348 And my email is Smurray At srcity.org if you have questions about the project you're welcome to um contact me in the future So with that I'm going to end my presentation as I said, I I can leave it up if you have questions so that the applicant can answer Um them Or I can get the get rid of them if you don't have any Need for them right now So susie, I think what I'd like to do is uh, we'll go to So it's a concept item so we're not required to do public comment But we always like to afford the public the option to make comments So I'd like to go to public comment right now And then uh, we'll see if we have any public comment and then if not then we can just go back to leaving your presentation up And and unless the applicant has a presentation they would like to make as well They do not it doesn't sound like it. Yeah, it didn't sound like it. So uh Um, so we'll go to public comment, then we'll come back Put put your screen up. We'll go through questions and comments, and then I think that'll be the end of it Is that sound good to you? perfect, okay, so um Yeah, if you could get out of screen sharing real quick because I think michelle may need to throw up the little three minute thing there I'm sorry. I thought I had no it's okay. It's all good me till the end of the year It's all good susie. Um, okay. So at this time, uh, we'll just uh, it's not public hearing But if there are any members of the public that wish to make a comment on this project Um, we'd like to afford you that opportunity right now um, so I'm gonna Look and see if anybody's raising their hand In the attendee list I'm not seeing any hands raised at this time and neither am I so we'll just end our Voluntary public comment and we'll go back to susie And then I think we'll just go around the horn here To try to make this quick and we'll do questions and comments of each board member of the project And then just and then I'll I'll try to take notes and then we'll summarize it at the end And go from there. Does that sound good to everybody? Okay, so let's uh, so susie you go ahead and Throw your thing back up on the screen and I'm gonna start with some questions of the board here So adam board member sharing do you want to kick us off with questions and comments? Sure can Thank you chair weigel and thank you plan Murray for the presentation as always Thank you applicant for um, the Lovely renderings in the package for concept. Um, great concept review package. It's pretty pretty substantial So, uh, thank you for that Um Yeah, it's um, you're maximizing use of the the locks. Um, I uh Do appreciate your your uh comment and saying it's a remarkable improvement to the Update to the existing buildings. I agree. Um, I really enjoy the um, the warmth that you're bringing in with the wood grain Siding. Um, I think that's a very nice Um, uh elements. Oh, I don't have any questions by the way for just diving into comments um, and uh um, I I do like the warmth of the um the siding. Um, I do think that I You you could add something that will It will lighten it up a little bit have a little more contrast than just gray. Um, um alongside it I know you've got um available metal colors. Um, but I think that with the you could um to to um really highlight a little bit more um contrast with your um the the palette. Um, it's uh Yeah, the warmth is nice, but then you know having something that will contrast maybe you know blue or something like that um something to to to give um a little um visual interest. Um, I think the uh, um You know, as I said, you're you're kind of maximizing the site. I think um the you know, you're doing um, uh well with the um with the landscape that you have here. Um, it's a bit bare bones. Um, I understand this as concept. Um In terms of uh tree selection, um, you know with the pistachio and the crepe myrtles I'd encourage you um as I do most times encourage you to think of of different varieties. Um, and to think a little bit more creatively. Um There are we have plenty of crepe myrtles um in town and in california and in the world. Um and the pistachio as well. Um, they both are lovely trees. Um, it's definitely not a deal breaker. Um, they they're tried and true and very hearty and they have visual interest at different times of the year and they're sculptural so great choices. Um, but uh, just you can think a little bit more creatively. Um, and um You know, other than that, I think that um, this is a very well thought out concept and um, you know, I think that you can um Take what you have here and just uh, and then you know, really bring in some of the you know, the creative flourishes Into this as well. So um, you've done a great job so far. Um, and I'll be excited to see it when it comes back But it looks uh, really great to me. So thank you for a good project Okay, let's uh go to board member wicks now Thank you. Um, I uh, thank you Susie for the kind words and also for another thorough Presentation even though it's a just concept that always helps Probably from your side on encouraging the applicant to bring us Something with some meat to it. So and this this has a lot of uh, A lot of good aspects to it. Um, very very thorough package for concept as as Adam said I'm okay with the colors and the rendering that's up on the on the screen right now I think it's I think it's I think it makes it handsome and not draw too much attention to something that is Utilitarian in nature and something we always need and when we have too much stuff and need to go somewhere My my only question about the project is the number of units to number of parking spaces Being one of those pack rats and keeping too many things I I I have a storage unit up in Windsor and Notice that There isn't a high traffic volume and I'm not suggesting that but My question to the applicant is about the eight or 10 spaces that are along the Uh top side of our drawings. Um, those seem to be parallel parking spaces And they are in front of roll-up doors that are accessed on that ground level I'm just kind of wondering how that's going to work And then do you have some industry statistics to help alleviate my concern about not enough parking for for 500 plus storage units? That's my question So if we could have the applicant answer Henry's two questions there on both parking and Well parking and and I guess it's a traffic flow, right Henry Yeah, yeah, how exactly that uh parallel parking in that in that slide It's up there right now on the top side of the page how that's going to work with roll-up doors and Um, is it just going to be the friendly can you move your car while I get my roll-up? Which is is probably okay, but I'm kind of curious about the industry standard for number of units to parking spaces And and nowhere it may go back to staff out and how did you come up with this parking count? The applicant should have permission to talk chair weigel And would this be applicant o-ings Susie You know, I I'm not sure if it would be applicant wanger o-ings, but I can I can speak a little bit to the parking Um, just from the amount of these types of applications that we've been processing our zoning code is real specific I think I think it says five parking spaces on site for these uses Um, this type of use, you know, once the building is occupied has very low volume of You know trip generation We've seen this with with traffic studies and you know or traffic counts and what have you So, um That I can say we have a very low requirement in the zoning code for this And I'm not quite sure I know that the applicant Was was on earlier. I don't know that she is is still if she hasn't spoken up yet Michelle it looks like I'm seeing a tonica saris and maybe that's the applicant Raising their hand So I'm I'm seeing applicant o-ings able to speak and unmuted. So perhaps They're having a technical difficulty and then can we look and see who tonica saris is and grant them permission? Yes, um, Tony should have permission to speak now as well Hi, hello, everybody My name is tonica saris. Um So heather and gordon wong or the main architects are the architects for this for this project, but um I can I can go ahead and do my best to answer your question Um regarding whether or not there's enough parking for the 500 plus storage units that we will have um, I do know we briefly just touched on I Believe that we we are in the with With the zoning code We do have the appropriate number of parking spots that the code requires Um, but just to touch on the on on the other aspect of it. Um, aside from the code So we we have owned and operated About for the storage facilities in and around the bay area and Having the number of parking spots that we that we do have Seems to be very sufficient. Um in this in the drawings that that you guys see here Typically the amount of storage customers that do come in access is is access their units Um is Very small in comparison to the amount of people that do have space So I know it might be kind of counterintuitive to to see that wait a minute. There's 500 storage units, but There's only a smaller number of parking spots. Um, but this this formula has worked for us before in the past But but um with gordon and heather if it's something that needs to be addressed We definitely we definitely can moving forward. Um those parallel parking spots that you do see over there That are in front. Um that are in front of roll-up doors I'm gonna once again, I think it's something that I do need to address with the architects Um, I do believe those are available also for Not only the people that are accessing those units with the roll-up doors But it's also there to provide additional parking in the event that the other parking spots. Um are not sufficient, but um From from from my experience, uh, I'm not too concerned with with the parking but You know, we're definitely open to any comments and suggestions that you guys have, uh, which is which is why we're here. So Thank you Henry did that answer your question? It it did and we probably could have stopped with susie's response that only five are required on site and that's the zoning code Then I uh, I'm good with that answer. Um, I won't be around for when it comes back to review, but I I think I Think it's fine the way it is. I just kind of wanted Some clarity on it. Maybe the outfit can can could become be prepared to answer, uh That question when they come back at final And if I could correct myself, it's five Spaces plus two for manager one of which needs to be covered. So it's seven spaces Thank you Okay, uh, let's go to Board member Wolskie questions and comments Uh, I don't think I have any questions. I like the package. I thought there was a lot to consider and and I appreciate that they're making a better use of their space Um and investing in the property so much. That's nice to see um Really love that they added the caretakers unit in here. I know it's fairly small. I think it was 450 or so square feet if that could even be a large that would be awesome I do like the modern design aesthetic and um I think it just it looks very I think board member wicks said it handsome. I was going to say understated, but um I like it. I just kind of blends in and looks very elegant. Those are my comments Thanks, Sheila. Uh, let's go to Uh, excuse me board member birch Great. Thank you. Um, hey, Henry will miss you love love your depth of experience as an architect on the board and the questions you ask and uh, you know, getting Getting to the heart of uh, some of the really uh important questions and and that insight's going to be missed. So Good luck going forward and and we'll we'll stay in touch um I you know, I would reflect all of the comments from uh board members who spoke previously. I'm a fan of the color Selection to go with the wood. I think that there's just this is understated. It's also it's also handsome That was a great choice of words. I I think that it's um something that um If you do notice it As you drive there on the north uh east side of town north north westish north eastish Side of town northwest side of town. Um, I think it's just going to be a nice addition to the neighborhood It is funny to see So many storage units and you know, I I just sometimes I scratch my head But to to channel warrens to channel one of warrens great comments about a storage facility we saw previously Old sofas deserve nice homes as well. And I think this is a nice home for old sofas. So Um, I I really think that there's a lot of great information in the package I even see the design of the trash enclosure at least in in in a rendering. I think maybe there was more detail to it So if staff uh susie You know, you do your usual great job of making sure they've got all the pieces together And this should be pretty straightforward when it does come back Cool. Thanks michael and uh board member mckew questions and comments well, um I like the design as well Uh, I think it's a much Improvement over what's there now the question I have is how to get into place Uh, the entrance at least from the renderings isn't that obvious And so I would suggest that that perhaps maybe they do something to the The entrance so it's pretty obvious where the uh, uh, where you you know, get into the building And so that would be my only Comment related to the design. I think it's a vast like I said a vast improvement over over what is there now And uh, look forward to having it come back And to see what you what you've done with it Thanks, john. Appreciate you. Um susie. Can we go to the material board replacement that you had in your presentation, please Can you zoom in? I guess you probably can't Um, it's okay So the thing that I know the thing that I'm trying to hone in on here is uh, it looks like the original proposed wood quote-unquote finish was an actual wood finish that was a cedar siding with a A stain on it and now we have a metal panel with a printed wood effect And uh, the thing I'm trying to to lineate here is It looks to me like the metal panel system has kind of like a big wood Wood board kind of dimension and then a reveal and then a big wood board kind of dimension I just want to clarify that with the applicant Um, I'm okay with either color. I mean, whether it's a painted, you know cedar or a stained cedar or a metal panel I really doesn't matter to me, but um What's indicated in the renderings is is I think nice in terms of indicating that kind of horizontality Of the uh, the wood component and I just want to clarify that with the applicant. Can they Clarify the at least the horizontality of the siding if that makes sense Yeah, so applicant Owens you just have to unmute and speak Michelle. Hi applicant Owens. Um, we cannot hear you. I would um recommend um possibly calling in If you could I can give you that phone number and the meeting ID for you Um, the phone number to call in is eight seven seven eight five three Five two five seven You'll use meeting ID eight one six one one seven six one zero four seven And then once you call in you will hit star Nine to raise your hand and then we'll be able to give you speaking permissions that way Uh, looks like we got another hand up here gordon wong. Maybe we want to try that one. Michelle You able to hear me? We we can that we get success Heather and I'm going to have her talk to the phone do this mic That works for us Try that again Heather So you can talk to my phone and they can hear you Okay, great great. Okay, and we can hear her so that works for us. Thanks so much, Heather. Go ahead Thank you Hold on Okay, go ahead It was originally like actual wood finish and now it's a pack and sherry With you can see some horizontality created by like the openings between the panels So if you were able to zoom in on that reveal panel detail, you would see that There's a little detail showing the groups between the panels when they're installed And that's creating the horizontal Need that from this distance An aspect would be a little bit harder to see in the rendering but The material sample itself Is accurate to what's shown in the material board So was Yeah, that I that answered my question I I guess I was just curious to make sure because the the image that uh, susie has is Somewhat fuzzy, I guess we'll call it and uh, so I just wanted to confirm that the rendering kind of matched the material using and I'm familiar with pat clad so We're going to be getting that kind of horizontal board Appearance that is on the renderings and that's what I just wanted to confirm because again Yeah, that's confirmed. Yeah. That's perfect. All right. Awesome. And then the other question I had more of a It's a comment is so I like everybody else. It's a it's a handsome utilitarian building And I do appreciate Kind of the balance of the color between the gray and the wood on the east and south elevations I think there's a nice kind of a little bit of both going on But then when you move to the west and the north elevation because the overhead doors are all the same color As the gray metal panels. It just feels like a big monolith to me And so I'm wondering if perhaps on those two elevations, we don't change the color of the overhead doors Um, just, you know, something else may be a light gray something like that Just to to give it that kind of depth That the other two elevations have And then one thing that I don't think in it the rest of the board members picked up on was the the green screen Walls that you have is the intent to have those With some sort of plants in them at a future date as they grow or is it more just a Decorative kind of green colored mesh We'll be happy to consider different color arrangements To improve that look on that side Well, thanks, and I just had the question on the on I think it's on the South and west elevations it Keynote three it says green screen wire mesh is the intent to have that filled with like Growing vines or something in the future Something similar to that to keep To keep it looking natural yet to provide some coverage Perfect. All right. I think That answers all of my questions. So I'm just going to do a quick summary For staff and the applicant So in general the board liked the project. It was a handsome utilitarian building We all liked the balance of the gray to the wood with the exception of adam Asking for a bit of a different color I agree with adam about exploring more creativity and varieties in the tree palette I think we answered our question on parking and then a couple of questions on The materiality which were answered and then a request from me I don't know if everybody else agrees but with the two elevations that are kind of all gray If I get a thumbs up from everybody on that one, what do we think? Yeah, okay, so I think the board would like to see Those and the applicant I think said that they're they'll look at into changing that And then sorry, I forgot one last piece. I apologize on the one taken all the time The white stucco on the front. I'm just going to let you guys think about this I think white stucco is not going to be white very long. So maybe think about a different color On the front and that's a good thought. We'll we'll think of a different color. Thank you It's it's not going to be white much for very long considering it's right on the street And I and board member McHugh. I think on this rendering You're just not there's a little awning that comes out of the entry where the tree is blocking it On kind of the left-hand side and I think that's why you're probably not seeing the entrance To the facility But Yeah, it's kind of hidden by the tree Right there now overall We're a serious family that has invested in this type of property in the past We always comply with what the city's Groups want us to do because We want to be Very much a part of the city's look, you know what I mean It's it's in our best interest as well to make sure That the concept design and then the file design Is something the city's going to be happy with so we appreciate all your comments today and all your good input And thank you and does anybody have any other Anybody from the board have any final comments or thoughts based on anything? Cool. So seeing none. I think we are done with your concept review item Chair vital can I'm sorry to bust in here. Can I just verify that there was nothing about the trash enclosure? I heard a comment and I don't know if we need to Praise I complimented the fact that the trash enclosure is actually in the concept review. So Okay It's inside baseball. So okay, great. Thank you Yeah, I think it's pretty clear Susie. I mean it's shown on the elevation with Some metal grates at CMU with a metal roof. It's pretty clear what it is That's why I didn't say anything about it either Um, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. No, I don't think you're so uh, we're gonna close I think we'll close item 8.1 and move on Does that sound good Awesome. All right closed item 8.1. Let's move on to 8.2 Um, does anybody need a break? Okay So let's move on to item 8.2, which is a public hearing for design review for the downtown station smart site development Located at 34 west 6th street file number dr 21 dash oh 21 and I believe we are going to be having a staff presentation from Adam Ross So turn it over to you, Adam Thank you, chair weigel. I'm gonna go ahead and get my presentation Ready to go here Excuse me, uh chair weigel. Can we do ex parte disclosures for this one as well while he's getting it loaded up? Sure. Absolutely. Thanks so much. Okay. Let's go around the horn here and do ex parte disclosures. I have none For this, uh, so um board member birch I have none Board member mckew. I have none board member sharon Uh, no disclosures for me Board member wicks I have none Board member wolski I have none. All right, we're done Planner ross you're up Can you verify that's the right power point presentation? It looks like it. Let's go to let's go to presentation mode Yeah, yeah, just want to make sure I have quite a few Opened up So because I've got three going so Thank you chair weigel members of the designer view board My name is adam ross and the project planner for the downtown station Smart site development project. This is a major designer view file number dr 21-021 within the downtown stationary specific plan The address is 34 west sixth street and two fourth street The overall project file number is prj 21-028 So this is a multi-family housing development Sorry Just really quick. I just want to make sure this is the right presentation mode. I have two screens so Yeah, adam work. We're seeing the uh, just the screen. We're supposed to be seeing. Okay, great Just don't want you to see see my notes and get confused So this is a multi-family housing project. It's a one building. That's a six-story structure. There are 114 total residential units There's studio one And two bedroom units and family style units the family style units are two bedrooms with a flex space That could be used as a den a nursery or whatever suits the residents needs at that at any given time amenities include an outdoor pool that will be available for Surrounding residents to pay into a membership fee for let the applicant go into that a little more if necessary a fitness area a child play area and a hydro seated field along with tables and chairs for Recreation uses There is a new multi-use path along the eastern portion of the property connecting sixth street and the downtown smart station As well as a 26 foot wide pathway on the southern side of the proposed building Would connect the western side of the property to the new smart multi-use path portion that this project would build out While there is no minimum parking space requirement for projects within the downtown stationary specific plan There are a total of 25 parking spaces proposed with this project and that amounts to 0.7 spaces per unit So the project contributes to the city's regional housing needs and housing out Housing action plan by providing 102 market rate units which is four percent of the market rate of the city's market rate full within the Within the h.a.p. And 12 units to low-income residents. That's two percent of the housing action plan goal Of the housing action plan goal So here's an aerial view of the project site the star symbol indicates the you know The project site and the boundary is the yellow dashed line. This this portion down here represents the portion of the private street that will accommodate the uncovered parking spaces To the left you have the sixth street playhouse here and and And beyond that the principal morrow greenway and southwest To the side is the historic cannery site To the to the north you have the chops teen center Right across the street and to the east you have Railroad More railroad square and downtown Santa Rosa So some project history here in september of 2020 the project went before the chb and the drb as a joint concept item Comments were provided by both both boards at the time in april 2021 applications were submitted May 2021 a notice of application was sent. There was a neighborhood meeting held on june 2nd and in november 2021 the chb approved the major landmark alteration permit some of the concept Review items from the designer review board are shown on the screen on the slide for you It encouraged this now. I'll read some of them Encourage carrying robust materials around the north elevation for preliminary review explore a roof deck as an amenity as an amenity if feasible or additional outdoor space for tenants Reconsider the porcelain tile at the ground floor as it could get cracked Consider a panelized system or stones for the ground floor to tie into the railroad square And integrate in out pushing from stucco to dark on all four sides More comments Additional comments are here as well, which included reconsider the ground floor residential for security concerns And consider two-story live work units office space daycare at the dago or small market small clinics, etc To provide amenities for the non-commuting development being proposed Consider adding more than 11 units of very low low or moderate income housing for the first phase, which is this project as it stands Look for an overall balance for affordable units And the all-glaze balcony railings allowing view of robust verticality of windows is appreciated And bring uniqueness to entries avoiding too much repetition And submit photos of the neighborhood with renderings embedded to show scale and how the project relates to neighboring properties The two top images were presented as part of the concept item submittal And the bottom two are what is presented for the approval Recommended approval from staff before the drb tonight. So as you can see, so again just for clarification. These are we're at concept and these bottom ones are have It shows how the project has changed and is before the drb tonight The general plan and zoning for this site is Both station mixed use Actually, the zoning is smu station mixed use dash H which is historic for its location within the railroad square preservation district The floor area ratio, which is what? Projects within the downtown stationary specific plan are used to calculate buildable square footage. There's no It doesn't it no longer goes by density per acre So it would be so What's allowed is six? point zero far for a ratio and as proposed it's 3.0, which is the midpoint For the site So here are some of the downtown stationary and general plan goals and policies the project implements So it fosters a compact rather than scattered development pattern Into reduced travel energy land and materials consumption while promoting reductions in greenhouse gas emissions citywide So within the downtown stationary specific plan to permit residential uses in all land use categories within downtown And maintain a diversity of neighborhoods and varied housing stock to satisfy A wide range of needs And preserve and strengthen downtown as a vital and attractive place as well as meet the housing needs of all Santa Rosa residents to some of the development standards for For the project Zoning zoning is you know, it allows 100 lock coverage. It requires a five to 12 foot Minimum maximum residential ground floor. So that's five foot minimum maximum 12 feet Front setback for residential ground floor the project complies with that as stated earlier There's no required minimum required parking for the downtown station area But this project does include 75 surface level parking spaces There is no maximum height. However Uh within the historic combining district buildings over two stories or 35 feet within a preservation district do require additional findings to be met that was Reviewed and approved by the cultural heritage board for the proposed height And those findings were met in november of 2021 So here's a proposed site plan to the left where the cursor is here's the main building And then here's a pool just South this would be south From the site. As you can see west six street Frontage improvements include new sidewalk curb and gutter There are balconies and stoops facing west six street. Here's that 26 Foot wide. It's being called muse. That's just open to the public for passing The pool will be gated there's some playground equipments and and outdoor exercise equipment as well and here's a portion of Of a private a planned private road this private road is intended to eventually extend to west third street It's private, but it will it does require a public access easement for For the public to use so it would be privately maintained but available to the public This is the parking unbundled parking Proposed with the project site. Here's a portion of that multi-use trail the smart path multi-use trail There is a condition that would require That's been added. It was as late correspondence in the exhibit a condition of approval 23 which just clarifies that There will there is a requirement for a pedestrian crossing along the the smart tracks and that would require approval consultation approval with the cpuc and the smart The smart Agency And then so here's the downtown stationary specific plan. So it it combines all of the all of the ideas of a downtown stationary specific plan project So here's some proposed elevations. I'll keep it on here for a little bit. These are 3d renderings I'm going to let the applicant team kind of go over all of these design The the over the design essentially, but again, here's that 26 foot wide Pedestrian path and it goes up to west sixth street and then to the left would go down to the smart multi-use path So here's a proposed 3d rendering looking southeast from the other side of west sixth street onto the site Then here's that For reference. Here's that private Private road with the unboiled parking So here's an image looking west down west sixth street in in front of the site And you can see chops Teen center right here So here's some proposed elevations. Again, I'm going to let the applicant team go over those so I don't Miss speak on any sort of the design elements So again, just kind of keeping it here for a little bit of reference These will be touched up on during the applicant's presentation So proposed materials These are all provided within the agenda packet And then so just down here you see some of the changes of That was done to the railings Some of the other design elements as well Kind of the reshape of the back of the site where the pool is now located more center rather than on one side And some just changes to that use the pedestrian use area So here's a preliminary landscape plan for the site showing the plantings list and the amenities provided for both residents Where some are to be available to the public And the applicant team is prepared to go over those in detail for you So here are some of the design guidelines that the project implements To help with the findings of the draft resolution so If You know some of the neighborhood design guidelines that this project implements are to promote the development of Neighborhoods that incorporate a variety of uses as opposed to subdivisions that feature single-family homes exclusively Promote neighborhoods that feature a variety of housing types both single-family and multi-family as well as a variety of price ranges Surrounding buildings establish the context for the design of new buildings where the new buildings are Detailed in a historical content contemporary or eclectic manner Incorporating similar rhythm and proportions found in adjacent buildings improves the compatibility between new and old And building facades should be constructed of high quality and durable materials such as stone brick tile wood glass and metal Use of stucco should be minimized and aluminum mesh is discouraged As a balcony material ground floor should use high quality materials with texture So a bit more Provide developments with logical layouts that people can navigate through without confusion. I think that was Pretty straightforward and represented with the aerial views with the pedestrian amenities provided Avoid dressing up fronts of buildings with higher quality materials and switching to less expensive siding materials on the sides and back which Requires to the project to design all four sides of a building And to preserve santa rosa's historic heritage for properties located projects located in historic districts and again that That landmark alteration permit was approved by the cultural heritage board in november of 2021 And then some more for landscaping which is to provide special attention to incorporation of trees in all landscape design Here are the required findings for a design design review resolution or a major designer view And just the design and layout of the proposed development is of superior quality and is consistent with the general plan and applicable specific plan Applicable zoning code standards and requirements and the city city design guidelines Architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements The design is appropriate for the use and location of the proposed development and achieves the goals review criteria And findings for approval as set forth in the framework of design review The design and layout of the proposed development will not interfere with the use and enjoyment of the neighboring Existing or future developments and the architectural design of the proposed development is compatible with the character of the surrounding neighborhood And the design of the proposed development will provide a desirable environment for its occupants visiting public and and its neighbors Through the appropriate use of materials texture and color and would remain aesthetically appealing and be appropriately maintained The proposed development will not be detrimental to the public health safety or welfare or materially Injurious to the properties or improvements in the vicinity Some of the public onsite public and onsite improvements. I kind of went over those with the multi-use path From sixth street the interim private roadway So in term meaning that eventually it would it would be developed out To a future connection to third street and new right of way improvements along sixth street There were some neighborhood comments Concern over the consisting with consistency with the general plan concern over lack of parking Concern over consistency with the surrounding neighborhoods concerned for safety crossings around the project site Requests to limit the construction hours to avoid potential light and noise nuisances Questions about the internal roadway questions on surrounding neighborhoods use of amenities support from a major Sorry, slow down a second and it also included support from The majority of the neighborhood overall From comments received and support There was a request for additional parking supply And encourage and encouragement to expand the affordability component Some of these responses are the project complies with the general plan as well as the downtown stationary specific and policies and guidelines as it was laid out before the designer view board tonight and As well as the cultural heritage board in november of 2021 The project is within the downtown stationary specific plan boundary and do not and there is no minimum parking requirement There was a district compatible Compatibility report by carer brunzel did a november 5th 2021 which concluded that the project is consistent with the railroad sport preservation district and the west end preservation district And again, it did receive major landmark alteration approval And the project is conditioned to provide Newstripe crosswalks along sixth street and will bring the frontage of the project up to current city standards As well as a crossing along the smart multi-use path on the south side of west sixth street Due to the site's close proximity to residential development The project is conditioned to comply with construction hours between 8 a.m And 6 p.m monday through friday and 9 a.m to 5 p.m saturday No construction is permitted on sundays and holidays And that is shown as condition of approval number three of the draft resolution The internal roadway is a private road with public access easements over it allowing public use It provides a portion of a planned private street that will eventually connect sixth and third street And As I stated earlier the pool will have a membership program for surrounding neighbors And and overall the project is required to comply with the the inclusion or housing ordinance And it's it is not receiving a state density bonus nor are they requesting any Um Incentives or concessions as part of their uh as part of providing the onsite affordable units The project has been reviewed in compliance with cqa In that the proposed project qualifies for a categorical exemption. I'm sorry that should say statutory exemption Under from cqa under section 65457 of the california public resource code and Cqa guideline section 15182 ac The project That's that applies when a project would develop a residential land use that is consistent with the With a specific plan and in this case a downtown stationary specific plan and the certified subsequent program EIR That's the state clearinghouse number and no uh, and no events Subsequence to certification have required a supplemental EIR pursuance public resources code section 21166 And with that the planning and economic development department Recommends that the designer view board by resolution approve the major designer view for the downtown station smart site development project 114 unit multi-family residential development proposed at 34 west sixth street and to fourth street That concludes my uh staff's presentation again. Here's my contact info Should it be needed in the future Can we go to the the applicant has a presentation? I believe yes open that up right now and let's go to them And then I think just so everybody knows where we're where we're going We're going to do the applicant presentation and then I think we're going to open it in public comment And then we'll bring it back to the board for questions After that and then we'll go to comment Uh of the board and hopefully with a motion and all that good stuff. So that's That's I think the the next path the pathway here. So Applicant you're up project planner ross I wanted to confirm with you Um, whether a Karen Rosenberg was part of your applicant team Can you hear us now? one second so We have Adam, I think maybe uh, it's it looks like uh, peter stanley is on the line. Am I right peter? Yeah, yep. Can you hear me now? Is Karen Rosenberg part of your applicant team? No, okay. So that may be a person wanting to speak on public comment, which we'll do After your presentation Correct So adam, do you have the rest of the team that we have on here? Um, yeah, okay. Good. Yeah You're set you're all set to go peter. You're all set to go great Thank you. Uh, thank you chair weigel and members of the board. Um, my name is peter stanley I'm with archeologics the project planner for the downtown station project And also I I firstly I'd like to include my gratitude to Henry And thank you for the service you've done to this community over the years That level of volunteerism is certainly so critical to the smooth operation of our city and I can't thank you enough for the time you've put in Um tonight I'd like to introduce the team that's here available to answer any questions coming from the board or the community We have pauline block from cornerstone properties. They're the developers of The downtown station project. We have firman gonzalez from scv architects. They're the design architects Brett cordonbrock who you're all familiar with from quadriga landscape architecture the project and rick carlyle from bkf engineers Is also here if you have any technical questions about the project site um, I did want to Provide a little update because there's a question that consistently comes up about this the rail crossing from the smart platform to our Multi-use path or the multi-use path that's On the west side of the tracks and we have met um with and are currently working with the california puc To get permission to extend the existing at grade crossing Over the west side of the tracks the west tracks to our project site and we're pretty optimistic Through those meetings at this point that we'll be able to get approvals for the continuation of that pedestrian crossing So we're all here to answer any questions and I I think in the interest of Chair weigel's desire to keep this moving along I'm going to hand it off to firman gonzalez But of course we're all here to answer any questions you might have about the project so firm and take it away Uh, thank you peter can everybody hear my voice? You can thank you Okay, uh, good evening board members. My name again is firman gonzalez and I'm with scb architects um next slide please The project site sits within the railroad square historic district adjacent to the west end historic district The specific site on the west side of the railroad tracks and the new smart station is immediately adjacent to the historic canary buildings The buildings siding and orientation is a direct response to railroad square to the east uh positioned perpendicular to the railroad tracks the project preserves the view corridors along both fifth and sixth streets maintaining visual connection from railroad square to the historic canary buildings Next slide please Uh, the site's western edge is formed formed formed by the historic canary buildings and the sixth street playhouse The building design is a response to each of these historic elements The architecture form and language of the historic canary structures with their linear massing Is the main driver design driver for the vocabulary in the scale of the new buildings? Next slide please A vibrant heavily landscaped edge along the ground for a sixth street activates the sidewalk providing a safe Lush and walkable connection between railroad square and the neighborhoods to the west Uh residential stoops and canopies at the crown floor are comprised of dark metal frames With wood soffits pulling from the canary's industrial palette of materials Weathered steel guardrails and fence elements extend the industrial materials away from the building into the adjacent landscape further trying to Tie the the new structure to the historic district Next slide please Along sixth street consistent architectural vocabulary is scaled down to address the west in historic district Predominantly residential and walkable neighborhood The building is modulated into a series of residential bays with a townhouse scale and aesthetic Each bay contains a single residential stoop with front door and porch structure utilizing the same wood Metal and glass detailing and framed by pilaster structures similar to the canary Next slide please One back. Thank you Here balconies activate the end of the building basing railroad square providing a strong visual connection across the smart rail lines An organized series of bays of large dark metal framed punch windows In dark metal balconies on the upper stories apply the industrial palette to the fine details of the building These elements combined orchestrate a compatibility Scaled architectural composition with a rich industrial materiality And now i'll hand it over to bret and he'll talk more about the site Great. Thanks for a minute. Can everyone hear me? Okay Yes bret we can hear you welcome back Hey, thank you um, thanks for a minute And hello members of the design review board My name is bret cordenbrock and with quadriga the landscape architect on the project And i'll talk a little bit more about the site plan some of the various common areas in the building amenities Next slide please I think adam Did a great job kind of talking about the site and the larger kind of footprints and things But as mentioned, you know building is focused on west 6th street to kind of reinforce that neighborhood character and street grid The building amenities at least the outdoor amenities are focused on the south side adjacent to a clubhouse and pool building, which is that smaller rectangle Kind of offset to the south from the building the main building. Yes. Thank you and yes There is a large kind of native Native grass and wildflower hydro seated field, which is kind of that future development Area to the south project Next slide please As mentioned the building amenities are on that south side and that includes a pool A variety of seating and gathering opportunities picnic tables and barbecues outdoor barbecue grills As well as a larger kind of play area with Contemporary and kind of organic at least right now and vision is kind of contemporary and organic play features As well as an artificial kind of lawn patch for you know staying and kind of you know, there's tots Little top lock kind of activities The pool and The pool area and that kind of amenity the building adjacent amenities separated from the news with fencing and planting And that access is controlled for both residents and neighborhood membership through program You know after mentioned by adam and others from from the developer The materials throughout the the amenity areas We're kind of looking at specialty concrete paving colors both colors and jointing kind of patterns as well as the possibility of pavers The play equipment as I mentioned is is envisioned to be organic and kind of very contemporary in style And let's see Yeah, and then if you could go to the next slide please kind of go through some of these sections Yeah, so here's three sections the top two are through the The building amenity area and the muse the muse is a A 26 foot wide basically emergency access area, but it is also considered a a community space that provides multiple resident and neighborhood uses while serving as that emergency access Banded paving helps to break up the mass of these of this kind of long linear space And provide interest and kind of zones within the within the long space This space is envisioned as Something that obviously connects the smart trail, but it's a place to to kind of people watch a place to play a place to stay and And there's also some seating opportunities kind of if you Can go back one one slide real quick There's some seating opportunities Kind of planned north on the far east edge near the smart tracks There's the idea of a splash pad and some additional kind of seating opportunities That kind of edge out the the muse as you make your way to the smart trail And as peter mentioned, you know, we're kind of working in in the works with giving that crossing down down the fourth street Next slide sections again And then the next slide please Yeah, just looking at the candidate plant list and some of the imagery associated with the fencing types and the pavement types that we're currently exploring fencing is something, you know, that kind of ties in with the ideas at the stoop kind of this vertical kind of flat idea And then we also have some screening panels and screening fencing pretty much metal or cut metal type panels These are there's a couple locations at the near the pool area where the balconies or the The patios will be screened with the materials in order to what you're looking at there I believe that is It's for the landscape portion That does conclude our presentation. So if there's any questions from the board, we're here to answer and End it back to you chair weigel That's peter. Um, so what we're going to do now is we're going to open up the public hearing and take public comment So I'd like to open up the public hearing and take part public comment So members of the public if you'd like to speak on this item, please raise your hand in the zoom The recording secretary will uh come over the the speakers and she'll give you some instructions Please uh state your name and potential relationship to the project like I live across the street. I live at xyz Fifth street, uh, that helps us understand Where you are in relationship to the project And if you have concerns as a neighbor or a member of the neighborhood And I think with that we have Three hands raised and so I will turn it over to the recording secretary to get you guys going on your public comment And uh, we will be granting you three minutes And the timer will be on the screen soon Dorothy you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute if you could please start by stating your name for the record My name is Dorothy baby I am the president of the board for sixth street playhouse And as a week ago, sixth street playhouse is now the owner of the property Where our theater is located We are extremely excited to see this project move forward We have been resident on that site for about 18 years so far and we will be thrilled to see it develop And we will love to be an amenity for the neighborhood and we look forward to actually developing some more performing arts activities within our parcel To help with the entire neighborhood and the the vibrancy of that area of town But we have no No reservations whatsoever about the project and are very excited about it and appreciate having a good new neighbors And that's about all I have to say thank you Thanks, Dorothy. We appreciate your comments Great next we have Karen Karen you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute Hello, my name is Karen Rosenberg and I'm a resilience fellow at green belt alliance green belt alliance is an environmental Non-profit that promotes climate smart housing to make our communities safer and more inclusive Green belt alliance is extremely proud to endorse this project It will help the city of santa rosa make significant progress towards their rena goals And also provide much needed housing for those who live and work in santa rosa Which will reduce commute times and greenhouse gas emissions We are at a critical turning point in the climate crisis And we need to act now to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions and build resilient communities To be resilient in the face of climate change starts with better identifying climate related risks to our communities Built environment and natural systems and taking an educated holistic and equitable approach On how to address them creating higher density living enhances the quality of life And this project is a huge step to show how projects can survive and thrive with less parking Beyond the simply leveraging existing transportation and infrastructure This project will feature many sustainable features aimed at energy and water savings Reduction of local heat island effect and providing healthy indoor air quality And we all know how important air quality is now Every city in the bay area must play their part to increase the housing stock to make sure the local workforce Can afford to live close to jobs Schools and services improving the social fabric of our communities and reducing the climate damaging greenhouse gas emissions produced by driving I would like to commend cornerstone for this great development and encourage you to approve the sustainable equitable development The proposed development not only aligns with the city's planning vision and goals for downtown But charts the path for fulfilling a vision for downtown the and railroad square for that matter And promoting an energetic commercial and cultural center with the necessary housing public spaces and community amenities and creating the vibrant community We all deserve. Thank you Thank you, Karen Next we have Katie Katie you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute Hello. Yes. Hi. My name is Kate Murray and I represent north bay leadership council North bay leadership council is an employer led public policy advocacy organization Representing the leading employers of the north bay North bay leadership council would like to express our full support for the proposed downtown station development Creating higher density living enhances the quality of life in supporting a diverse array of retail goods and services Arts and cultural activities and outdoor recreation opportunities The proposed downtown station development is investing in the future of a sustainably driven and resilient community The design features and materials for this project were thoughtfully chosen to keep in line with the aesthetic feel for the historic districts Including inspirational hints of the cannery buildings north bay leadership council urges you to approve the proposed project the Development not only aligns with the city's planning vision and goals for downtown But charts the path for fulfilling a vision for downtown and promoting an energetic Commercial and cultural center with the necessary housing public spaces and community amenities and creating the community We all desire. Thanks for your time Thank you, Kate and uh, michelle. Let's move to the next one Yes Ananda you should have um a prompt allowing you to unmute and if you could start by stating your name for the record, please I do. Thank you. Uh, good evening chair. Why little members of the board? My name's ananda suite with the santa rosa metro chamber of commerce I'm here to express the santa rosa metro chamber's support of the downtown station smart site development project With this project's proximity to the railroad square smart station It represents the exact investment in transit oriented development that's needed in santa rosa while addressing our critical housing shortage Our residential mix-use site in the space will bring new life to railroad square by combining housing and public gathering space It will bring increased economic activity and increased sense of community to railroad square Santa rosa's housing shortage is the greatest threat to our long-term economic and cultural success It's impeding business growth and causing economic Community health and environmental damage as our residents struggle to access adequate housing or are forced to commute long distances The result is increased air pollution and traffic congestion growing inequity and reduced productivity Housing is one of the largest challenges for local employers Who need to recruit and retain employees in order to stay and grow in santa rosa The development of both affordable and market-raised housing is vital to address these challenges And an increase in housing near transit and regional bike paths will bring tremendous returns to santa rosa economic and environmental alike Thank you so much to the applicant team and city staff for your work on such an important project That aligns with the city's goals and visions for downtown santa rosa and railroad square This is exactly the type of development we need in our community and we urge you to support this project Thank you for your time this evening Thank you ananda Okay, next we have lilani lilani. You should have a prompt allowing you to unmute and if you could please start by stating your name for the record Uh, hi, uh, hello. Thank you to the board tonight and everyone. My name is jocala. I'm attending with my wife lilani and um, we represent the west six street neighbor association Which consists of myself my wife and my daughter And we live here Across the street from the the lot which the construction is going to be happening directly caddy corner And we have been following this project For over a year now and attended some of the other heritage board meetings and now this meeting And we just want to express our full support of the project As neighbors and we are excited about a revitalization of the current use of west six street. We have been here for over 10 years now and seeing The lot underutilized and we're we're really excited to see the new design and the plans and the adding of the landscaping And also we are also personally very interested and and excited about The the amenities of the pool and offering that to the members of the neighborhood Um And we like the design and um, we're really happy with it and And we're really happy for the west six street and acquiring their properties. Well, too We've been that's a six street play house. That's right And so we're really excited for them. So congrats and we look forward to seeing Hopefully the two the two developments Coordinating somehow And that's it Thank you for your comments. Um, I I am not seeing any additional hands raised at this time. Uh, so seeing none Yeah, so seeing no hands raised, um, I'm gonna ask the recording secretary. Do we have any additional? Uh emails or voicemails for this project that were received at the city No, we have not received any voicemails or emails okay, and uh I do know we received some late correspondence and that was uploaded To grant ilegistic granicus, uh, has the board had a chance to review all of that thumbs up from everybody All right, so seeing no more public comment and going over all the other parts and pieces. I am now closing the public hearing Okay, so um I think uh, we've been at this for Hour and a half. So I think maybe let's take a little Five minute chair weigel. We have a resolution. Um that we need to make a motion for for this item I know and we can take a break first, right? Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm not closing the item. Sorry. I'm taking a break. Yeah, sorry I apologize. I got too excited You did. Um, so let's just take a short break and be back at 6 0 5 Is that good with everybody just enough time to grab drink water bio break, etc, right? See it's 6 0 5 Okay, it's 6 0 6 now actually so hopefully everybody's back. We can Turn our videos back on and get rolling Looks like we're just waiting for board member wicks I mean we can get started with that and we have a quorum. Um, so let's do that Oh, there he is Okay, so, uh, I'd like to do questions of staff and the applicant first And then we'll move into our regularly scheduled Resolution component just so we make sure Michelle is nice and happy there in the Council chambers So, uh, without without further ado, let's go to board member wicks for questions Of staff and applicant. All right. Um, thank you chairman weigel. Um Ross, uh, great presentation. I'm sure this this project's kept you busy The only question I have is for, um, applicant, uh, mr. Gonzalez I Love your your, um, pretty sure it was an addition to the project since we last saw it The vertical wooden material and You used it on the north south and west elevations, but you didn't use it on the on the east elevation and I'm curious as to your design rationale of not bringing that that Um, I think it's a lovely material around In some fashion on that particular elevation That's my only question. Yes. Uh, thank you board member wicks. Um, so the Um, you know, the combination of all the materials on the facade, you know, we're trying to create a clarity and drama in the composition Um, you know, but um, I it's a It's a good comment that you mentioned that that on the east end Facing railroad square that we didn't provide Wood paneling on that facade Um, I think we could you know easily incorporate that into the into the facade We we saw that that east end We kind of sculpted it in a way that um, you know, the white frame of the Of the material kind of frames More of a Massing at the end that that is a moment and that was a little bit different than let's say the the south elevations or the north elevation Um, I don't think, um, you know the addition of wood Would hurt the design at all. So I think that that's a good comment Thank you. I'll I'll save the rest for when I comment on the project, but um Very very nice. I like I like what you've done and and uh More later Thanks. Thank you All right, uh, let's go to questions from board member. We'll speak To feel I I thought I had seen and maybe it was a narrative that there was going to be commercial available. Um A commercial component available on the ground floor, but I didn't see that in the floor plan So I was curious about that Um, what kind of noise mitigation efforts have been made with the building materials since it's so close to the railroad tracks And then I'm unclear about the the perimeter of fencing Where that Does it go all the way around the project site? I saw something about temporary fencing I think backed by the pool. So I'd be curious to have more information on those items. Thanks So I think let's let's break that down. There's a couple there. So the first question to the applicant is regarding Somewhere in a document somewhere it talks about commercial Development on the ground floor so I um Pauline can weigh in as well. There is no commercial ground floor space other than I mean not commercial per se There is the community space that would be a fitness room and the pool And areas that would be open to the public So but no commercial retail Um per se Yeah, I think I think through the uh commercial came in it wasn't our narrative for the vision for the future phases So we do For see, you know service-based amenities that are more commercially based in the second and third phases Okay, and then the second one was uh sound mitigation to the train line the smart rail Yeah, so we have sound engineers that are working with us on that so Um and and there and there are sequel requirements for the allowable levels of sound attenuation inside the units that will meet through um materials Wall and finished materials is also Windows, um, if it requires triple glazed windows in order to get the sound below California health and safety code then will most certainly um Have those incorporated into the project Okay, and I think Sheila the last one was a clarification on the fence design and fence locations. Is that correct? I get that Um, I'll start with the fact. There is no fence around the entire project. The only fence is around the pool Um, and so there are those membership areas that let's call it that community membership areas But the muse is open at both ends. There is no fencing on Either the the south or the east and west ends of the project. That's open public space Is there a question Sheila about the The the fence design Or just the the the area of the fencing just the area of the fencing. Thanks Peter. Okay I mean, I I am going to tack on here You know the the renderings while lovely There is no actual information about the design of that fence really other than that. It's Maybe a fence a picket fence perhaps But it's unclear. Can you guys uh speak to that just a little bit? Because that may end up becoming a condition of approval that that information is contained in documents I think that can address that Sure So there's around the pool and kind of the adjacent the building adjacent amenity zones We are looking at two different types of fences And that's on Our planting or overall planting sheet. I think it's slide 10 It was kind of the last one I spoke to So yeah, so it's a we have two two heights of fences. There's a 48 inch Tall fence which is kind of outside of the pool area and then a 72 inch tall pool fence It's envisioned as a flat kind of a vertical flat right now kind of very modern and look an appearance and And that's As of right now, that's the only the only fence aside from yes temporary fencing. We note around the remainder like the big hydro seated field area on the overall there is some temporary fencing there But as peter alluded to there's no no fencing at the views like you know east and west So yeah, so there's a thank you. There's a fencing two fencing kind of types that were Ever playing around with right now Brett is the the 48 inch fence concept one and the 72 inch pool fence concept three is that wood or metal? Right now it's metal And so yeah, so right now we're thinking it's a metal type fence Yeah, can I jump in on on this fencing question rather than you're gonna blader? Sure, absolutely Is there going to be fencing you mentioned around the pool, of course But uh on the play area on the eastern edge That being closed at all or Protected yes It will be okay. Yes. Okay. You mentioned no basically the Okay, I Yeah, yeah right there sure Yeah, exactly. So basically the fence line right now continues from the southern edge of the Pool building of the kind of clubhouse or fitness room And basically, you know offset from the muse Um, you know several feet and then it kind of kinks and kind of encloses all of that So there are a couple of gate access gated access points into that Into that Um into the I guess the the building amenity space. So I'd like to clarify quick though, even though there's this is Pauline with the developer team I'd like to clarify that although that area is gated that is meant to be publicly accessible that play area Yeah, we just want to be able to close it at night Could I could I jump in on the fencing too? Yes, Henry, of course. Sorry if if Adam or somebody could pull up Sheet number 17 in our packet It has the east end rendering But it also shows a lot of the extent of the fencing and where where it would go on the project Yeah, the shot from the trail Yeah, exactly You know one second to find that It's in the uh, Adam. It's also in the applicant presentation I think Oh boy, uh, the fifth page maybe six page six six page of the applicant presentation that helps I found it one second. Okay. Sheila does that answer question and all the other jump ends we had Jumping in jumping in as well here um If this is you know, it um Court everything's fantastic here. Just sort of a little bit light on detail for the exact nature of Where the fences go? This is a fantastic rendering and I love the image that's shared Um, my question would be just in terms of fencing. It's a little bit more about maybe the use of the amenity space so The applicant just shared with us that the play structure would be open during the day Gated at night. So that sounds like there's kind of a phase going from east to west here where The play structure would be a space that was open to the public Here's is though from the plans that there is a fence and a gate leading to the pool which may be more of a neighborhood membership program and does that With the amenity space also be something that was available to the public Just and if we brought up a plan of the area, maybe it would be better So it feels like this is sort of that at the at the at the east end you're open to the public during the day Off the muse. There's a gate to the pool area, which may be membership for the neighborhood During the day and in the evenings and then I didn't know about the amenity space All the way to the west. Sorry. It was like an east and west mixed up all the way to the west If that was also open, so it seems like a very sort of like, you know, fog and open and membership sort of from East to west and I just wonder if you'd explain that to us Yes, um, you are accurate about that. Uh, the amenity building is something that will be likely we're still working on it But likely that will be where members enter to get to the pool area So it'll probably be some hybrid type of fitness Studio that they have a membership to and that includes the pool So that will all be membership based for the neighborhood as well as the residents great Yeah, the fence types are really really nice in the renderings and and I know they're not outlined maybe completely clearly in the In the plans, but I think that probably we would expect that The renderings would carry the day in terms of where the commitment to those higher end fences and what you've represented are shown. That's just my two cents as a former chair, so All right, Sheila, did we get all your questions answered? Okay, awesome. Uh board members sharing questions Questions, yes um great question so far, um and Great package and a great presentation planner Ross And thank you applicants. Um, and thank you. Henry. I wanted to highlight Your comments about bringing the wood detailing accent around to the east side That's the attention to detail that I that we're going to miss on this board Nicely caught and uh And also as as Peter Stanley mentioned, um, Henry's uh, Henry's a commitment to service in these parts Is going to be sorely missed as well. He also serves on the design review commission for the county as well He's he's everywhere. Um, and he's really involved in the community. And so, um, Yeah, um, and Henry, you and I came up the same time. Um, and so Sad to see you leaving but um, you know, we'll be in touch. I'm sure but uh, Thank you very much. Um, it's been I've learned a ton from you. We'll be on this board with you So thanks very much um Uh, let's see. Um question about the temporary parking to begin with Um And I guess there's another quite a larger question also, um For the applicants, um, you're the the owners of the um and the will be the developers of the master or the whole master plan of this Site so this next phase of the hard to see and field. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Um, great the um temporary parking um and the Future potential road. I'm curious about what's going to happen with that. Um You know, um, will the what what will the eventual driveling look like? I mean, you've got Basically it comes to you've got the orchard parking on the west side there Just for those few parking spots. Um, is that eventually going to be continued down? Um, will that sort of the um on the east side of that That road where the temporary parking is is that going to eventually be developed? And the road will be The space between the orchard parking and the what's now the sidewalk on the west of your building. I mean just Um, kind of I'm just wondering what's going to happen with that Uh, actually, I'm going to interrupt here. Um, hey adam. Yeah of the adam ross variety. Sorry Uh, is there a chance that you could bring up the uh attachment nine in our uh board packet concept project plans and throw it up on the screen onto page I think page, uh seven um, that was the uh presentation from I guess a year and a half ago that showed the overall site development which may answer Your board member Sharon's question. So, uh, I think it's probably if you and if you can't that's cool. I just I uh, I I will bring it up. I just want to point out that the design as proposed is so So it was originally brought to the board as as a three phase project But now we have to look at it as this is the project. So uh future developments of that of that road would would be reviewed by um engineering staff And traffic engineering to see what's appropriate. So technically you're looking at the final design of this road right now as proposed But with I guess is you know, just a little bit You know in the future future developments will update that road. So so it would be Um, but I'll show that so to get an idea But that's not a guarantee of what that that road will will ultimately look like Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. Um Because again, we we're not looking at phase two and phase three. We're just looking at phase one The phase one has this temporary parking which includes The right-of-way and orchard parking to the west And that's and I think the plans are clear that the temporary parking is some type of gravel or other material Not, you know an asphalted wear course Let's ac ac or gravel so I think quickly. I'll just share I'll jump in and say that the fencing and the Some thought around the master plan maybe as context that we would understand was those were my two questions as well So I think we're all headed on the same things. So I think some discussion around the master plan and the plan for parking I recognize that The parking requirement here is Zero, right? So I get that part But I do think that there's it would be really helpful if there was some context around the master plan Not necessarily even just related to parking but also to Retail and commercial and I'm just trying to like stay ahead of the curve in Terms of things we can cover all at once and when I look back to the 7 8 2020 set I saw the Overall site plan I recognize changes to even the first phase here But I but I don't know if that's something we probably all want to dig into a little bit Just because context is incredibly helpful to understand what we're doing today. So Yeah, that's why My question about the parking was was first part of it That you're going to be a two-part question about that master planning and the question about the temporary fencing and the field itself So, um, so adam you were um going to bring up something. Yeah, so so I just wanted I just want to um Just just make it clear that Sequa looks at a project as a whole so reviewing sequa, you know There's no while at the concept level. There was this master plan It essentially there is no master plan. There's one like that clear. There's there was an idea. It was very conceptualized Um, because if you start commenting on a potential master plan Then that changes the entire sequa review for the project so just So I don't I don't know if it's appropriate to to go. I understand exactly what you're saying But for the purposes of this review You know Pulling up the mask the the the old cons the old concept master plan May not be beneficial to the actual project and they kind of overstep into some legal sequel type Uh, thanks. That makes sense. I do understand that, you know, over on pedal in the hill road a month or two ago We just we lost um neighborhood commercial um as part of a Several hundred unit Residential development Three years or four years or five years after a plan. So I think we're just sensitive to the idea that what is I don't want to get into the muck and the mire of sequa And I do understand the boundaries of this project at the same time a little bit of context helps even just envisioning We're going to obviously be looking at parts of this project a lot over the next several years I'm a huge fan of the project But I also want to see something built that brings people here um To live without a car using the train And there are other parts of the project that are critical To doing that providing a quality product today So I would like to and I think other board members are clearly hitting on some some of the same topics. Sheila did um There's comments from the last design of u-midi which I was on the board then and then adam just did as well So some context is helpful. It doesn't have to be a commitment. I don't want it to be a legal issue But bottom line. I think that there is some It would be helpful for us to just bring us a little thought about it so if I may John go ahead real quick Yeah, I'm getting a little bit concerned that we may be going down a rabbit hole here that we really don't need to go down And I would rather us to come back to Asking questions specifically specific to this project as you have Chairman wayland have said so I would prefer that we we do that Sure, I'm gonna finish asking my questions. Well, so um, I'm gonna completely jump in because I'm the chair So john, I appreciate your point. Um And I think uh, so let's put a boundary upon this. So we have a project in front of us I think that there's been A concern from multiple board members About just the future development of the project and I think just a brief Five minutes from cornerstone about their vision I think would help the board in general And then we will go away from this and go back to the project I think that's that's a real nice way to put a bow on it and say hey, let's hear from cornerstone Let's hear what their their their vision is for the project And then we'll step away from it and go back to the project before us And I think that may address some of the concerns about hey, we got a big giant field. That's part of this How do we protect that field? You know, how do we prevent it from you know being vandalized? You know, I think those are some of the questions that are pertinent to this project As it relates to how the project is is developed over time So, uh, if that's okay with the cornerstone folks to just give us a quick little rundown For your vision for the for the parcel and then we'll move back to questions on the project at hand I think that'll that that'll assuage Some of the board's concerns If you guys are, yeah We are and let me just before Pauline's gonna definitely speak to this because it's it's a conversation that is ongoing I just want to say to Adam's point is that Obviously there is an intent to continue this on but Because of the planning context because of what's going on in the north bay because of all the issues that you all know about Because you're immersed in this world as much as we are We're not committing to anything only because we don't know What we would do going forward Um in order to address what's needed in the marketplace, but Pauline will speak Very eloquently about what it is that cornerstone's vision is which I think is in complete alignment with The board's vision as well as the city and the neighborhood's vision So I just want to put it out there that we're not trying to be cagey about anything here We're just this is big stuff and um, we don't want to go running down a road and And have the board think um, you know, we've got this all figured out It's far too complicated to figure out at this early stage But there is a vision and Pauline can talk to it Yeah, and thanks, Peter And I think the the piece that's also important to note is if if cornerstone to your point, Peter Pricing is crazy right now, right Budgets are insane, you know escalation is is off the charts, right for construction right now materials are through the roof If you guys had the the budget and the funding mechanisms to develop the entire parcel I imagine you probably would but because of I think what you're speaking to that's why you have a piece of the project right now and it's intended to potentially be phased To deal with some of those constraints that we have in our area financially And I think that's an important piece. I think for the board to remember Is that they're you know, the the development team is trying to bring a bring a project But there are constraints that they have to deal with The budget being probably the the largest so anyway turn it over to Pauline with cornerstone now Yeah, thank you so much. And you know, thanks for asking the question and I will be as candid as I can. Um, I I'm going to talk kind of about just cornerstone's vision for this property for You know, all of our downtown properties. We kind of have the same vision. And so we have not Fully planned out or even really started master planning the second and third phases. That's something that We're going to be working on this year We're very committed to getting this first building out of the ground because it really is a test of the market The types of units that we're proposing The parking ratios we're proposing some of these amenities are new to santa rosa And so we really have to test it and see how it goes. We have a lot of faith that it um That it's something that's very necessary and needed Which is why we are pushing on this and our project on raw street to get them You know in the start shovels in the ground this year But as far as our our full vision We really want to provide Mix use developments that provide amenities. Um, such as child care, you know health clinics Grocery markets things that are needed for a thriving downtown. Um, so we it We really right now don't look at our projects as you know, this building or the rock street building. We are looking at it as improving downtown and creating a thriving Exciting place that people want to live and people want to Um, walk to their amenities and people want to work in and people want to take the train Um versus jumping in their car So that's why in this this vision that you see which is very preliminary You see a lot of open space. You see a lot of community areas. You see a lawn area that can be Have a public interface And so I think it's hard to say exactly what the uses, you know, for the rest of this will be other than Definitely, there will be more housing And definitely there will be amenities, but to say exactly What that's going to look like is is very preliminary. Um, peter jump in on anything you want to add but again, we're very focused on bringing um Bringing housing and amenities to our downtown core and that's kind of the overall vision And and let me just uh um Sort of piggyback a little bit on that this this connection piece though that you see from four street through the project that that isn't That isn't uh some sort of mild design idea. That is a catalytic part of the development This is not something that you could ever imagine going away that that connection And hopefully the connection continuing through the cannery project with the prince memorial greenway is a huge I mean You all know that it couldn't be any more powerful of a pedestrian and bicycle connection than that And so this is a big part of our project. It's a big part of cornerstone's vision It's a big part of downtown plans vision. So those are the kinds of things that we're We're trying to figure out how to do this to pauline's point We don't know how the market's going to react to to these kinds of developments. This is all very new up here You know that and and and drew you're absolutely right. You've got to be able to pay for this stuff and it's got to work so But there are some compelling and overarching design ideas that you're seeing on here that are important The muse between the current building and the building to the south The pedestrian and bicycle connection the community spaces all of that is to play into Bringing people to this site so events could happen there the neighborhood could spill out and there the kids could play here That's what this is about So I I think talking about the buildings to some degree Is is is looking too far ahead at this point But talking about the community space is a critical and important part of the cornerstone vision Cool. Thank you so much, uh, peter and pauline. I I appreciate that. I think the board appreciates that and uh, so adam with that adam ross With that, I think we can probably take this off the screen and move back to adam Sharon's question about Fencing and the uh, hydro seated area right adam Yes, thank you. Um, I did not Mean for my question to spark that uh level of debate Um The temporary fencing, um, it's the uh the chain link fencing. Um, this is a question for Mr. Cordenbrock Good to see you on that side of the screen. Um, Brett We can grill you now. Um Since you were on this side before that is going to be the chain link fencing around the um Uh, the what's going to be the empty lot to this point That's correct. Yeah, that's the image that you see in the four images of the fencing and screening on that planting sheet. Um That is the far right one and that would be around the hydro seated field area. That is correct. Great um, and I um was looking up the um hydro seated mix that you got Unspecced there. Um, and it's annual grasses plus the the the native wildflower mix as well That's correct Okay, um, okay And yeah, so it's just going to be, um Fence stop. Okay Great. Thank you for limiting that. Um Moving on to the, um Street scape there on the north side on west sixth street Um, I love what you guys are proposing. Um, and uh Um, just one question. Are there any cut-throughs? Pat like pass-throughs on that sidewalk strip. Um, I know there's not any crosswalks or anything on sixth street there um But is it is it all just contiguous plantings that you have there? From crosswalk to crosswalk Sure as of right now, I believe it is all contiguous. Um, I Believe there's some I think in the package, there's also some civil sheets and probably you should depict that and what that city standard will be Yeah, right now it's a bifurcated walk, you know, five foot planter street trees amenities in that zone Okay, but I just weigh in on that Um, just these yeah, so there is a crosswalk that was added as part of the conditions of provoked in the exhibit a of the project and so there probably will be I'm a little bit of change in design that um Brighton quadriga are going to do in order to keep that so you're not walking into a planter area or something That that crosswalk is a contiguous piece getting from the north south side to the north side of sixth street Is that going across because they're going across the Adams there? Is that where it is? Yeah, okay. Yeah Yeah, I was wondering yeah, and I know I definitely know that um, you'd be thinking about that but Uh, it's a it's a long block there and you've got you know, potentially teenagers cutting across them to the um to the club there um, and just it it's sort of seemed like a Um, missed opportunity to have some kind of access there or at least the you know to cut down on trampling of the sidewalk strip um, but I I do um Yeah, and I I do like the the um ground floor residential at this point in those families Looking out onto that sidewalk there in the access that you have there. Um, but I think that um, I'll comment on that when I get to my comments, but um, thanks for answering that and That's it for my questions. Thanks Thanks, Adam. Uh board member McHugh any questions of the staff of staff or the applicant? I have questions for the applicant. I'd like the applicant to spend a little time Talking about how they're constructing the balconies uh for the project and kind of go into some detail about uh, how they're doing. I'm looking at uh uh I think painted aluminum balcony and railing, but I also noticed that maybe they're Chained to the building could they could they please speak to uh, how they propose to design those balconies? Yes, I could speak to that So the if we could uh turn maybe to page uh six of of our applicant presentation to the rendering What we're showing are uh balconies that um would match Bearman, I just want to interrupt you there. You've got some Garbling or static On your end. Um, I don't know what's causing it, but it is Apologize for that. Is it still like that? Uh, I think a little bit, but uh, please continue and hopefully we'll be able to hear. I just wanted to make you aware of it Apologize for that So the balconies here are they're uh seen as Uh, pre-manufactured balconies that will bolt into the side of the concrete floor structure these balconies are made of aluminum and they are Also On the underside of them we're planning to put wood Slats as a as a soft material to um to add warmth to the underside of them Um, and at the ends of the building Uh, we're planning on using the same type of um vertical picket metal balcony hand railings Um, and this is a nod back to the industrial Kind of nature of of the cannery buildings Um, but here on the longer balconies at the ends of the building They would they would be uh more of a cantilever concrete slab and then and then we would finish the edges similarly to the to the bolt-on balconies And then we would also similarly add the wood soffits on the underside of them But I was I was curious about not the ones the balconies on the end But the ones that are in the in the center of the project Did I did I see a rendering that they were Somehow chained to the building Yeah, if we could go back to that the previous views So, you know at the at the floor edge they're attached to the floor and then there are diagonal kind of bracing elements that that hold the the outer end of the balcony And and help support it. So there are some Diagonals that go back to the building facade Thank you very much Thank you for your question John was that it for you? Yes. All right. Awesome. Thank you so much Uh board member birch questions or did did they get hit? Earlier my questions got hit earlier. Thank you Cool and let me look at my list. I'm sorry I guess my only question was um, and it's it's just it's a question about the the The entry doors along 6th street west 6th, they're all shown as full light doors and While I think we all appreciate eyes on the street as a security deterrent um, do you guys have any concerns with Those doors being fully glazed like that um In terms of security, but also Residents just covering them up because they don't want people to look in you know, so this topic has come up before and you know we Often like the aesthetic of the door with the light in it and I think going forward, you know, we would Provide privacy to the tenants in these units by either providing Like a frosted glass material for the door And or a shade material on the inside that could be kind of drawn So that's that's how we commonly You know, we'd like to provide the light coming through the door, but we obviously You know know that you know privacy is is permanent For sure. Yeah, I just I I'm trying I remember a project I think it was in in Atlanta when I was in graduate school and they put All these, you know, it was a I think it was a townhouse project memory serves It was a very modern aesthetic very similar to your project and they call these beautiful full light glazed doors And within six months every last one of them was replaced with a full solid door because they've been broken into Or covered up or whatever. So it's just it's just something that sticks in my mind from a similar type project where they had an aesthetic in mind, which You know, quite frankly, I also agree if I love the idea of natural light and whatnot, but um, it I think Sometimes the security concern overweighs the aesthetics at times So that's why I ask the question. Um, okay, so Let's Come back to the board here and so As a reminder, uh, this is a actionable item. So we can do one of Three things we can have a resolution on the table to approve the project We can have a resolution on the table to deny the project Or we can continue the project to a date certain if that is the will of the board So I just want to remind everybody of those options and uh, it looks like Henry's ready to get going Yes, I would love to, uh Make a uh a motion that we approve the resolution before us for approving the downtown station Smart site residential development a six story 114 unit residential development with Um, etc. Etc. Uh file number dr 21 dash zero two one and wave read reading further Amounts of the text and I will second that awesome, so we've got a Motion in the second which means we can move into uh discussion And so just as a reminder for everybody we use Rosenberg's rules with kind of the Doug Hillerman slash Michael birch overlay as it were throughout the last couple years and uh, so uh as as folks, uh Give their comments. I will write down Them and try to develop a condition based on that if I hear it a couple times it may Develop into a a shall versus a consider so uh, and then at the end We'll circle back with the applicant and review the list to see if everything seems okay with them And then hopefully we will condition the project vote and you'll be on your way. Um, and so as a reminder Uh, when we condition consider means, uh, we'd like you to take a look at it Um, but it nothing set in stone if we say shall that means you must do it in order to uh move forward with the project so with that being said, uh I was going to ask John, do you want to go very last before me for comments to that tonight? Yes, please. Okay, excellent. So we'll go ahead and do that. Um, and so let's uh, kick it off with board member Sharon I'm just mixing it up see whoever's on my screen first. So, uh, Adam you're up comments Good it keeps us on our toes. There's long meetings Um Yeah, uh Thank you very much for bringing this. Um, this is a wonderful project. Um Really happy to see this in development and really to see that you're the evolution of your ideas and what you're bringing and And uh, love to hear about you, you know, um It was overarching visions as you you talk about um and knitting into the city as this goes um and and being a real amenity to the neighborhood and to the city and to This specific area of the city as well. Um Yeah, I think that the the um this iteration that you have of the of the layout in the building is um Is wonderful. You you brought in um the comments that uh that we in the cultural heritage board brought um brought to you over a year ago Enthusiastically supporting it Um Yeah, I um, let's see. I will try and keep it as short as possible here. Um As far as the building goes, yeah, not too many comments. Um, just really great work. Um, and I I um do appreciate the uh the the change to the residential on the ground floor as well. Um, I think that uh It's it's really great to to it's one of the great things about the west end neighborhood is is how um How homey and familiar it feels and neighborhoody and um, I think this is you know for a larger scale building is going to fit right in especially bringing people in you're um bringing people to the ground floor and you're bringing the neighbors into your amenities as well Some of the comments that you received from the public Were you know, if you your your pool is going to be available if the playground is going to be available and seeing that They are in that you're having a membership Option is really great. Um, you know for a private development having public amenities is is um really great. You're being a very good neighbor Um My um, yeah my my um, I think just some uh A slight tweaks there with with you know, um with with Knitting more closely into the the north Part of the the neighborhood. It sounds like you're thinking about that as well On peter you mentioned with the crosswalk the potential crosswalk Um, and with um, you know that streetscape. Um, I think you can continue. Um moving on that. Um I do uh, um Yeah, I um as far as the the landscape goes. Um, I think that this um is a really great vision as well Quadriga and bret you've done of course have done a really wonderful job. Um, and I've packed in a lot into Pretty narrow sites. Um, that it is is going to be um really welcoming and beautiful. Um, you know, you're uh Since I talked last time about the tree selection, um, you know This is an example of a really, um Fallfully put together um plant palette in general and then tree palette in in particular you've Um, you're bringing a really great options there Um and to prove that I'm not fully against uh crepe myrtles and pistachio I see you have those as your as some street trees as well and they can fit in. Um, but you've provided a which Which you guys do really wonderfully is um diversity and um, it's these aren't just one notes you you know the entire project is is you know a symphony of color and and and um warmth so um Well done on the the building and on the landscape as well. Um I do um think that I know that um The uh this vast expanse of the field. Um, I know it's outside of this project and this property in particular Um seeing it fenced off, which is how it's been for so long. Um as kind of this, you know, um You know wasteland of just like stuff for a long time of rubble. Um You know, uh I just wonder if there's some way to think creatively about having some kind of access I think there probably will be access whether you want there to be or not um And so You know, I I I do appreciate um You hydro seating with um, uh, the native wildflowers and with the the annual grass mix. Um, but You know, and you know, it's described in pacifico seeds as the you know the green to gold. Um, and it will become that but um If this is here for a few years, um, it's it's going to revert back to basically dusty empty lot. Um, and so Just wonder if there's um You know, I don't necessarily have any suggestions about what to do, but it's just some way to think of how you can uh have Uh some some way to think about that that vast expanse there um And that should wrap it up for me. Um, uh, yeah, this is a um a wonderful project I'm really glad to see this come back and I think it's going to be an incredible asset Um, and um is a wonderful vision for the city. So thank you all very much for this And I look forward to the next Yeah to seeing what comes next. Thank you Okay, let's go to board member wicks for his comments great, um adam, uh, ross could you pull up the Uh rendering from chops looking at the north uh elevation of the project or north rendering of the project and while you're doing that I um What a I'll I'll just start my comments by saying what a wonderful project to um go out on one. Um I was excited to see this on tonight's agenda. Um I love seeing the project the first time around. I liked it then and I I love it now and um One of the things I really admire I'll adam touched on a lot of the site stuff and and Landscaping and and has always kept me in my lane on I'm not talking about Landscaping's I love crape myrtles and and I I like how you've integrated in on this project, but um I'd like to speak more to the exterior portion of the project and the and the architecture and One of the things I really liked about the project at first glance you just think it's it's In this elevation there's eight blocks and and they're all the same But the the genius you've done here is is for example between the Third floor and the fourth floor. There's a there's a switch In and how you flank the wood materials. We moved it from the right on Floors two and three and then you moved it to the left on on floors Yeah, thank you for that pointer because this is where I'd love to jump in with my laser pointer Um, but that that that's just a really slick genius solution to this and then then the banding of floors two through five You left the top open and creates kind of the contemporary I call it the contemporary cornice and it's it's much different than than the thin slender Cornices that are on historical buildings, but our our contemporary form that we're using now I just I just love the overall look um, I love I love the activation on the ground level with the stoops and I think that a little bit of implied separation and private space will hopefully keep uh Some people from from using them and and going up and potentially vandalizing That would that would be a shame, but I think with this the much activity on the street I think it's I think it's going to be real successful and I think this this project In particular sets those sets the bar high for the rest of your your development And I appreciate peter talking about the main access points Now the the the and during path coming off a fourth That's probably a given in the next iteration, but what happens with the buildings I think we'll all look forward to see seeing how those Compliment and and keep keep this heart high bar set for the future expansion of the project Like the color palette I like I like everything about it. I my only can Not a condition a suggestion would be to I think it's on the next slide to the east Uh end of the rendering If you could if you could somehow work a shoulder in there I noticed that all the wood paneling is on a shoulder adjacent to a a strong vertical band If there was a graceful way to work that would vertical material into it, I I'd like it kind of put in the record that that That was a suggestion made on just on that east elevation to bring Those elements around on all four sides I I This also reminds me that you did another beautiful thing with with Just putting the balconies on this side of the project, you know And it gives gives some flexibility for for tenants to want to have either an active Area outdoor active area or or have more of a quiet north side, you know Architects love and artists love north side lighting and and it's a it's a quieter element And you and you just put the balconies on the south side, which is where you could go outside and get some more when the sun's shining and I I like how there's there's movement and While it's one building and there's materials that integrate the entire project together Um, there's there's there's variety and and each each elevation kind of has its has its beautiful star moments font and um Just I just can't can't compliment you and your team on on pulling the entire project together in a in a very effective And monumental I'll use that That word on this one a monumental project forward to us and and hopefully Construction costs will be kind once you get to building permits after after this part of the entitlement and you can get a bill So good luck to you Is that it Henry? Okay, lower your hand in a zoom there also Uh, we'll go to board member wolf, you know Comments So I guess I would say with the anticipation of maybe the other Um, I think it's the south side being developed. I'd really like to see more opportunities for people to Um have a little grocery and I think it was mentioned before maybe a little bodega There are tons of restaurants in this area But there's not too many places to go to just pick up milk or bread or things that you need every day So I think this is a great transit oriented development That's really going to transform the neighborhood really like it um And the floor plan I I thought I noticed That all of the bedrooms when you had multiple bedrooms, they were on opposite sides of the unit And I don't know if that is indeed the case, but you know, just thinking when you have little kids You want them pretty much adjacent to you. So I didn't know if there was an opportunity to Um, and maybe the floor plan exists and I didn't see it but to have bedrooms located next to each other in a couple versions And then I appreciate you opening these areas the pool for a membership and they um taught a lot to the public I think for me Looking at this project just as this one particular project site without that master plan it doesn't feel secure On the back end of it. Um, I would be concerned about People milling around and coming from other areas Prince Memorial Greenway There are a lot of bicyclists, but there are a lot of other people too um who maybe You wouldn't want on the property So those are my those are my comments, but thank you for the project. It's wonderful Sheila I'm gonna cut in here. I think maybe planter Ross was looking for this, but um, I think it's in our packet in the plans It's on page 22 There's uh, what they call a family unit, which is a Little bit. It's a it's a riff on their two bedroom unit. It's the same square footage, but instead of having You know like two bathrooms and storage and kind of like a roommate scenario. Um, it's got these kind of like We'll call them smaller rooms that that appear flexible that could have either a child's bedroom or a desk or something So it looks like they're providing that opportunity to have kids in an adjacent space in these kind of family units With some flexible space that allows for that And it reduces the overall Toilet count in that unit and adds a Powder room versus a full bathroom, but I think that's the intent is to allow that what you're talking about In those family units And the applicant can maybe correct me if i'm wrong, but I think that is the intent Here weigel you are you you are right that was mentioned at the beginning of the presentation If you'd like I could share my screen just to highlight that just Yeah, let's just throw that up just so everybody can take peek at it and then we'll go to Board member birch after we look at that that floor plan thing real quick So if you see it right here on the the cursors around it Through those flex spaces Does that help chila? Okay, perfect. All right, we're gonna go to board member birch now for his comments Great. Thank you. I had only uh been able to review this. I was not on the board the first time around or the first Go through of this so I did go back and look through the previous presentations and I think that the Modest changes that Were made to the design of the to the architectural design were fantastic I love this project. I love the warmth at the street level on 6th street the stoops the engagement with the neighborhood The Yeah, so I mean there's nothing about this project. This is a this is a this is an incredibly advanced design team For what we're seeing in santa rosa right now And this is a really well thought out project and I just want to say To pauline and peter Thank you for bringing the passion about the complete project here. I think that it is You've heard it from a couple of in a couple of comments here It makes me appreciate what you want to do We're going to have a long relationship on this obviously is as This economy building environment Commercial environment in santa rosa moves forward And I and I appreciate you in the course of a hearing that that is a project instead of not a project Being able to just step up and and make that commitment and I appreciate you doing that I'm I I have a I usually play sort of the I usually play sort of the santa rosa is kind of small and whatever happens happens here But in in terms of this site the reason I'm passionate about it um I used to walk from the salami factory deli which is where the assistant league store is across the street from the project Over to my dad's office where his sign shop on 9th street. So I've been in this neighborhood since I was eight years old walking Um, I have my coffee at aroma twice a day Um, my wife and I had our first kiss across the street in front of chops. It was lenas then So this is a this is a case of being completely committed to a neighborhood I think this is absolutely a fantastic addition Uh to the west end and I think this elevates The the level of what we can expect down there and I appreciate you guys for bringing this project. I'm very supportive. Thank you Thanks michael, uh board member mckew your comments Uh, I'm very supportive of the project. I really do appreciate the both the presentation of staff and the applicant and I Generally support the comments of my fellow board members And so, um, I'm very supportive of the project. Thank you so much for the comprehensive Work that's been done up to this point and I'm very happy to endorse the project Thanks, john. Appreciate you. So, uh, we've got my comments now. Um, so first I'd like to say that Yes, I think the over I'm going to agree with michael The overall vision I think and the commitment from cornerstone and arcologics on this project site I think is uh, is an an enormous commitment Um, and and I appreciate that and it's a great package and and it's an advanced design team like michael said But I think that there are a couple of things That could Be better. Um, maybe let's say, um So I I said this at our last meeting about ground floor residential um I I see it potentially is problematic Only because I know I've seen people do Things on ground floor residential in metro areas that aren't necessarily friendly Or open or inviting, um, you know But there is you know people can also be fantastic and warm and opening and it can be a A wonderful stoop scenario as well. I just I wonder I still wonder about The ground floor residential and the potential of including An amenity like a bodega the closest grocery store is I think a mile and a half away Think on 9th street So it's quote unquote not walkable because it's outside the the mile radius from a project The closest kind of bodega I can think of Is maybe the fourth street deli and that might be actually too far As well So I I feel like this project is hungry for like a small amenity like that on the ground floor in louis la residents um Just something to to carry you over until you can build the other buildings that have other different types of amenities um The the design team mentioned a townhome feel with the The kind of rhythm on 6th street and I certainly can see that and feel that But what I don't see and feel is the potential for multi-story townhome units as part of that which I thought When we originally saw this project, I originally thought there were some of that and there's none of that And I think you know from a typology standpoint if you're going to introduce new typologies such as small units multimodal development with no cars It might be important to include live work developments live work units that are two stories tall where someone can rent the upper floor and live there and Work in the lower floor below it and contribute to the neighborhood around by providing a service to the neighborhood whether that's The bike shop guy who's going to live and work in there The local landscape architect like adam moves in there and starts providing a service right or whatever So I feel like that was a miss on the development of the project In terms of the townhome feel and then I think I still have somewhat of a safety concern considering the glass doors and and what that may do Not to be cynical but to note that we do have a large homeless population and they are in this area and When you build this it will bring more people and eyes on the street, but there is a concern there So I mean, you know, I think those are things that I felt like were said at the last meeting and perhaps fell on deaf ears because there was a desire to hit a Residential unit count or whatever And I don't mean to be negative because I do love the project I just feel like if we if you could maybe have thought those through a little bit to provide an additional Let's call it a judge To increase the the uniqueness of the project. I should say I completely disagree with henry about the wood on the east and here's why That is the only surface That has an angle on this project and I actually love the way it's currently designed With the balconies adding the wood and I think adding wood on that element will detract from the little kink you have And the and the openness of the corner That's going to exhibit in three dimensions that you don't actually see in the elevation So I think you'd leave it as is personally Because that there's a unique uniqueness to that Southeast corner Um When I was reading through the documents about the specialty stone and you mentioned that you've added it to increase durability uh You actually it I It looks like the specialty stone is added Inside the white pop outs And the larger sand gray stucco is what actually comes all the way down to the ground So you've added a more durable material in a location that nobody can touch Um, so I'm I'm curious about that being flip-flopped if that makes sense Um unless there's a cost prohibitive reason otherwise you probably can leave it alone um and then finally uh While I love the south elevation there's not much relief from The sun on the south elevation except for that southeast corner And the southwest corner with some overhangs And the balconies are great and you can go out there and sun yourself, but otherwise you potentially have penetrating sun just Assaulting the units I wonder perhaps that may get uh addressed in a later development with an adjacent building Or I don't know perhaps fins. Maybe the answer. I'll uh, David Baker For instance with the wood elements and including a fin. I don't know um And so those would be uh my comments on the project Some of which I think can be incorporated and some probably not So I I'd like to throw it back to the board here if there's any additional comments now that everybody's thoughts have been heard Anything you'd like to add change or amend? Sorry, I clicked myself off Hearing none I'm going to do a quick summary of uh the conditions as I heard them and We'll see if I got them right So, um, but I've got a quick question for uh planar Ross. So the crosswalk at Adams is now part of the project in terms of The exhibit And it's on the west side of Adams and it's going to go. I'm sorry the west side of Adams and it'll go south Across and tie into the project. Is that correct? Am I reading the exhibit appropriately? Which uh, are you sorry, are you speaking of the exhibit a yes exhibit a correct the the updated version the updated version 23 um So there is there that condition identifies two crosswalks one across sixth street um just as you said, uh For Adams street crossing sixth street with a bulb out constructed on the south side Of sixth street to facilitate improve pedestrian facility visibility and then 23 b and c identify the crossing over the smart tracks Right, so I guess the the question I have is When it says crossings, so I understand with a bulb out constructed on the south side of sixth street facility improved pedestrian visibility Uh, we're it's actually altering the design that Brett presented in terms of an actual condition of how that intersects and comes across correct? Yeah, so it would be Overall would be considered very minor in in what the change would look like so a That's why you don't necessarily see it on an updated plan version Okay. Yeah, I just and I I think adam is there anything about that that you want to add to your condition or change otherwise In terms of how that crosswalk interface because you mentioned You know like a cut through through the landscape or kind of those elements I just wanted to circle back on that one. Sorry. I wrote it down here as a condition Yeah, no that that sounds good to me. And I thank you the applicants and planar Ross for pointing out that um That condition there that that that would um Yeah, satisfy that any any sort of cut through there, you know with that crosswalk would be perfect I don't think there needs to be mid block cut-throughs or anything. So yeah, okay, perfect All right, perfect. So then something else I heard was consider the vast expanse of brass and a potential future use I don't know how that would be conditioned exactly Um, but I heard that from adam I I thought um was thinking more about that. Um, and I'd be curious to hear You know any the applicant has any thoughts on that but I think one way to potentially Think about it is through either activating that space or um potentially temporary public art installations in the interim of You know other construction, you know, that's use use that as kind of a palette um And engage it you can engage with the neighborhood and the neighbors that way there's plenty of creative people in that neighborhood so um thinking along the lines of what's uh what um has been done in sabastopol where the uh The hotel is going in and they've had ned con statues or not statues um sculptures Over the past year year and a half there. Um, it's kind of their temporary art installations in this Current vacant lot. So there's some I think one way to envision it. Maybe drew would be to say consider activating the space in the interim before future construction I don't think any it's more program programmatic rather than anything really being prescribed there Yeah, I think what I'm going to say is consider alternate use That activates the field The southerly field in the interim construction period That's not about interim period. That's not okay Sounds good to me. Um planner rossi. Have any thoughts on how that's worded? You're muted Can you repeat that chair weigel that language one more time for me? Is it consider an alternate use that activates? the Southern open field during the interim construction period Is it is it thorny even referencing that since it's outside of this? It's actually not. It's actually not So I think the wrinkle is the field is part of this project We need to talk about the field and the fence is closed around the field We can't talk about what's going to go on the field in the future So if if we're interested in the field being activated in a way other than like you said Putting a fence around it and saying no, you can't come into the field Then I think we need to provide a condition about sure. Yeah allowing you use so we're doing some kind of Using a palette good soccer soccer field If I can make a recommendation for that for that consider Condition of approval is just cut it off after open field consider an alternate use that activates the southern open field It works for me. Okay. Um The wood Henry Um, I think I heard the wood from a couple people, but I disagreed Do we want to include the wood or not as an option? I would I would like to include it and it's rare. We disagree, but but that's what makes the world go around, right? And I and I get that that's the only angled in But it's if you look at the west elevation and the east elevation that they're just Just a little bit too remote from each other in terms of materiality And maybe it's maybe the solution is just adding wood at the ground level That's similar on the south elevation. There's a large panel of wood And and maybe it doesn't go up high, but I just like it a consider I just um I think mr. Gonzalez and his team can come up with with something to come up with With how to bring that beautiful material around it's going to be what's seen from the train I think this elevation is going to actually be seen More than what I think is the most handsome of the two end elevations, which is the west elevation um, so I I would just like to see that I'd like to see him explore it Okay, so let's just have that as consider Adding wood finish at east elevation Pretty simple pretty so it will be seen from the highway to thinking about that as well. Oh, yeah, you're right. I am Good point. Um So uh, Sheila mentioned this I mentioned this all also and I think should be Consider more opportunities for grocery slash bodega usage Our grocery starts bodega amenity. Sorry amenity and it's just to consider Yes Is that cool with everybody consider? Okay Um, and then I I mentioned the consider sunshade fins at the south elevation Um, it's just to consider. Is anybody opposed to that consider? No, okay, and then the last one I would like to add and and if anybody disagrees with me, that's fine And we won't add it, but I'd like to say consider uh Consider alternate unit types that include two-story live work units Along six street It's okay with everybody Okay So, uh, we've got a list of considers and no shallows it sounds like So let's bring it back to the applicant and summarize the Uh conditions and see if we can move forward and then double check make sure that those uh conditions are cool with them so, uh Planner ross can we get a reread of those and then we'll we'll talk to peter and his team and see if they're okay with the The conditions. Sure. I have five total. Is that right? Okay, first one is consider an alternate use that activates a southern open field Number two is consider adding wood siding at the east elevation Number three is consider more opportunities for a grocery Uh slash bodega amenities For consider sunshade fins at the south elevation And number five consider alternate unit types that include two-story live in units Live slash work Sorry, and I forgot one uh that Sheila said she said something about the south side doesn't feel secure. Um Do we want to elaborate that a little bit about that? Sheila? I think it's I didn't hear it from anybody else, but um, you were concerned Well, you know, I'm just thinking if I were living there with my kids and you have this expanse out there, um I you know, I would be concerned I can see the picture of how they think it will come together and I think that's really nice and I Not necessarily into walling things out, but unless as um board members share and mentioned That back piece is activated. I think you're gonna get a lot of unwanted traffic back there And I I would have safety concerns if I live there Okay, cool. Um, I think there's a couple of things that we should maybe talk about there. So there's a lot of uh lighting I think shown on brett's plan Both kind of ballard and otherwise and then there are uh, you know the fences shown So I I think you know and there is a design guideline that does talk about safety And I think they've adequately addressed it just in my opinion, but um Is there something specific that you're you're from a security standpoint Beyond just a fence or lighting that you're you're talking about maybe um No, I I just think with the News there as they call them that are open for the public to pass through I just think it gives opportunities for people you might not necessarily want back there But then again, you know board member Sharon said maybe this place on the south side could be activated if that could be activated it would Kind of do you limit this area a little better and make it feel like oh, this is the project area instead of Hey, this is just open space where people can traipse through here um That's just my thought So I so what i'm hearing is I think board member Sharon's consider An alternate use that activates the southern grass may assuage your your concern about security And so then we so we won't add another uh condition of approval about security of the south side. Yes okay, cool, and then uh Michael did were you comfortable with the information on the fence contained within the packet in terms of adding additional information or a condition on that I know you're you can start to reserve on that the commitment the commitment is there in the pictures, right? And that's what staff will work with so all right perfect. So we have our five conditions and uh, so peter And team did those seem reasonable to you guys? Henry had one I think Yeah, can I can I before peter comments can could I tack on to the bodega? part of the consider In that and that would be that um If they if they if they if the size of the bodega was was one unit 400 600 800 square feet And it was done on a temporary basis I'd want it I I I I think we should give them the flexibility to convert that back to another apartment unit if In the future the development Has a larger either a grocery store element or another bodega In a in a in a different location so That that part of the consider I think should give them the flexibility to keep the number of units in their entitlement It'd be able to convert that In the future to another unit That's Just a thought from a developer side for a second But I think it's a good thought actually, um, I'm just not sure how we would Uh, I would well because the way we have it right now. I think it's written fine. We would say consider Consider more opportunities for grocery bodega amenity But then to your point if they add it And reduce their unit count as part of the the final bit with the staff No, um, can I suggest it because it's a consider You know, I think you have a lot of flexibility in what you can say what you're putting on the record So consider more opportunities for grocery bodega amenities including those on a temporary basis and then Instead of specifically spelling out You know, I think that is actually a pretty neat idea Allowing that flexibility again because in the downtown stationary specific plan. There's no Minimum maximum density requirements. I mean you'd have to be really far into density To say that that may not actually be supportable for it for even that's coming to question So I do think that's a great idea. Um, you know, if they can make it work great and and I think leaving out exactly what it is might be better for the condition Itself because otherwise we may have trouble just spelling that out Yeah, I think in saying including temporary I think solves that and then it also gives them the opportunity to Pursue alternate methodologies like, you know, there there are kind of food trust food truck Ask bodegas and things like that in air stream trailers and other things that are options For the developer to utilize as opposed to actually Redoing a unit as well So let's let's put the including temporary option whatever you said Okay, so peter, what do we think? Okay, you guys can hear me out So I I appreciate all the feedback definitely Very good and interesting comments. So I don't see anything in there that Concerns is too much and I the one thing I will say is I appreciate the considers as opposed to the shoulds on some of these elements that could have a significant impact on our unit counts and Which is at this point antithetical to what we're trying to do which is to provide You know a development with As much housing as we can get in there But also community amenities and public space. So we we appreciate everything that's been said We will obviously we will consider it and look at it as we move forward Some of these things are things that we have been considering and wondering about ourselves So certainly that field is is an issue. I think Sheila what I would say to you is that we have thought about safety at muse That's why there are so many eyes and balconies and that's also why there's housing on the ground floor at that east end is that we were trying to get more activity and people sort of looking out of their living rooms out onto the muse and it will be well lit um, so But but certainly we don't want the safety issues either. These are going to be families that Are part of the cornerstone family and we want to care for them as well as you do So I appreciate all these comments. We will take everything that you have said into consideration and We are definitely moving forward if if the vote goes the way we want we are Committed to this net on this year Awesome. So thanks peter for your comments. So we just need a friendly amendment now to add the conditions as read onto the uh the motion here. Does anybody want to Make a friendly amendment to henry's motion adam I'll make a friendly amendment. Um to add the conditions on to the original motion And henry do you accept the friendly amendment? I do accept the friendly amendment and board member birch. Do you as a second? Do you accept the second accepts the friendly amendment? Excellent. So I think we're at a point now to uh, have a roll call vote So i'm going to turn it over michelle and we're going to do a roll call vote on this, uh This project Great. Thank you so much um Board member birch I Um board member mcqueo I um Board member sharon I Um board member wicks I Uh board member wilski I Chair weigel Ah, hi Great and that passes with um six. Yes Thank you so much for your consideration and your help on this project And thank you. Uh, peter and corners team and scb Thanks so much for presenting a good project and I guess we'll just wait for a phase two now To come before us. That would be great. So next month, right? No, I'm just kidding. Um, Just kidding. Just teasing. So, uh, it's uh six 34 and I originally talked to staff that because we have four items that we would have A dinner break about now Um, if we were if we still had items on the docket, which we do unfortunately So, um, we're going to take a 20 minute break From 735 until 755 For everyone to grab some quick dinner. Let staff grab quick dinner, etc So, uh, we will re adjourn at 755 Thanks Um, just wanted to talk to you earlier today Okay, it's almost 755. So we need to be coming back and turning our videos on Okay So It is 755. We still have a quorum Uh, but we can wait for board member bequeo or, uh, press forward What do you guys think wait for, uh Board member bequeo for a minute Or just keep going Keep going All right Okay Excuse me Yeah, go ahead. Um, we we should wait just to allow for a board member bequeo to vote Um on this item. So let's just give him another minute Absolutely, we'll wait great. Thank you Can somebody else besides Amy speak real quick? She was really loud in my headphones and it may just be me. So Just anybody Is it really loud? No, I think it was because you were right up on it Her volume was fine for me. How's mine? Okay. I think I'm up high. I think I'm gonna fix that. All right. There we go Okay, we're all back. Uh, Henry, maybe There we there he is All right, so without further ado, let's go to item 8.3 Which is a public hearing for west coast self storage design review major 970 piner road dr 21 004 and so i'll turn it over to planner ross Oh, sorry. No. Well, yes planner ross who's presenting for planner Shekali, maybe yes, um, mr. Ross monies name We'll be presenting but just a reminder to do the ex parte disclosures for this public hearing item as well Sure. Does anybody have any ex parte for this? We're gonna go in the order here. All right, so I have none board member birch remember walski Board member Sharon I've none board member wicks Board member McHugh I've none Awesome. All right, so we'll get rolling The spotlight is on you mr. Ross Thank you, chair weigel members of the designer view board. I'm gonna share my screen And we have the appropriate view on our screen adam. Just wanted to know Thank you so much Again, thank you chair weigel members of the designer view board This project before you is the west coast self storage designer view file number dr 21 dash 0024 Located at 970 piner road I am adam ross presenting for monee shekali who is the project planner for this proposal She's off living her best life somewhere In a joint so happy to fill in The the project proposes develop a three-story Approximately 66,000 square foot self storage building on a 0.95 acre Uh currently vacant lot The project would include a drive-out emergency fire lane landscaping and security fencing The image shown is a 3d rendering of what the proposal would look like Uh after full build up So here's an aerial view of the project located out on piner road As you can see there are a number of large industrial buildings surrounding the site It is within a an industrial corridor Russell creek just south of the site Creates a buffer between the existing residences and the industrial uses along piner road Here's an aerial photo of the site. The building shown has since been demolished Whenever this aerial view is taken and the site is currently vacant. Um with just the existing paving On the site the site zoning district is light industry Uh, sorry is The general plan land use designation is light industry, which is consistent with the light industry. Sorry the I got a little confused there the zoning district is I l which is light industrial Yeah, which is consistent with the light industry general plan land use designation Which is on the site. It is also as you can see on this diagram This parcel is within an industrial corridor that is heavily dominated by automotive manufacturing and warehouse uses The zoning code allows self storage facilities by right in light industrial zoning districts While also only allowing them to be located on a regional street such as piner road So here's just some project history It did come to the design review board in january of 2021 as a concept item in february The formal design review application was submitted And in april of 2021 the project went before the waterways advisory committee They did provide comments Which was mostly favorable and including favorable feedback Some of those comments include consider adding more windows on the back of the building They appreciated the oak tree preservation Provide detail for all proposed fencing Provide more plant diversity along the rear fence to mask the chain link fence that exists there And consider evergreen plants along the fence There was since then under project review an issues letter was sent to the applicant that was resubmitted addressing all the issues and the project has since been deemed complete and was then made ready for the Public hearing tonight Here's a site plan and the 3d view Of the creek at the south of the property The site plan shows that the proposed building is placed well outside the 50 foot creek creek setback There is a proposed fire lane that goes around the building And there is a 20 foot wide lane behind the building that is located within the 20 foot creek setback That is a required fire access lane It's provided at approximately 20 feet from the top of the creek bank And there's an existing fence just behind that 20 feet About 19 feet from the top of the bank Which maintains which allows the project to maintain All required access paths of travel for public safety. So there is a this is that required 20 foot wide fire lane The there is an emergency vehicle access Accommodating traveling around the site as well This is an existing chain link fence along the creek And then there is the proposed fencing Along the Project site boundaries It's for security reasons Here's some of the landscaping. This is also a bioretention bed In the back and in the front. I'll kind of go over that in the next slide But as you can see there's a bioretention pond Which is this it also adds some nice aesthetics to the site. There are existing oak trees that are to be preserved Um that to the best extent possible And So here's just a better close-up of that So there are some existing oak trees to be removed as part of the development Again, these are some to be saved And um any sort of tree removal is subject to the city's tree ordinance And so just to go over a little bit more there the project does incorporate a 15 foot Landscaped setback along Piner Road. The landscape plans along the creek again consider the oak trees on the site Those two mature coast live oak trees will remain and they're incorporated into the landscaping along Russell Creek Trail And again any other tree removal would be subject to the city's tree ordinance Just to kind of go over those waterways advisory committee comments again You know oak tree preservation is appreciated. They continue to maintain that provide detail for all proposed fencing There is The there the next slide does have or the next two slides have the The fencing detail there is the landscape architect to kind of go further into that as well about tree diversity Which was one of the comments, sorry plant diversity along the rear fence to mask the chain link fence Landscape architect is here to kind of go over that and the other one is to consider evergreen plants along the fencing as well So here's the fence for the security Gate around the site. This is an automated gate that requires a pin code to get in it. I believe in and out of at least in And then There's that chain link fence along Russell Creek And that is a wrought iron fence Uh, approximately seven feet four inches in height And the chain link fence is similar to the existing chain link fence around the along the creek Here's the north and south elevations. One of the comments from the waterways advisory committee was for eyes on the creek So the applicant responded by adding windows to the rear of the property which faces the creek as you can see in the the south elevation Here are the east and west elevations As proposed for the site I do want to point out that the trash enclosures The trash enclosure would be located inside the building to reduce storage tenants from overwhelming the trash cans with unwanted items And then here's a three rendering for reference again for the site Then it is three stories proposed that is within the allowable height of the uh light industrial zoning district The project complies with sequa has been analyzed against sequa and qualifies for a class 32 categorical exemption for an infill development Which is also known which is found under sequel guidelines section 15332 That uh The specifics of the project are because it's a the self storage use isn't allowed to use within the zoning district The project is under five acres at only 0.95 acres Uh, the site has no value as a habitat for endangered rare or threatened species And it will not uh result in a significant impact for traffic noise air quality or water quality And it can be served by all utilities and services from the city Um, so with that the planning and economic development department recommends that the designer view board by resolution Approve the designer view for the construction of a three-story approximately 66,200 square foot self storage building on the property located at 970 piner rub My contact information is shown at the bottom The applicant team does not have a presentation for themselves, but we can reference staffs should it be needed And I know they do have a brief summary of Their proposal as well Okay, so I'd like to uh go open the public hearing at this time and take public comment. So We'll let michelle get that set up with the little three minute ticker So, uh, we'll open up public comment. So please if you have a comment on this project, please raise your hand In the zoom meeting and we will acknowledge you Okay I am not seeing any hands raised at this time Neither am I uh, do we have any emails or voicemails that uh came? Today we did not So we have opened the public hearing we have no voicemails no emails. So at this time I would like to close the public hearing of public comment So then we'll move it to the board and uh Questions of staff and the applicant first and then we'll move into our Regularly scheduled program in terms of potential motion since we have an actual item on the table So questions, uh I think this one's pretty straightforward. So does anybody if you have a question, please raise your hand right now And uh, we'll go that way any questions of staff or the applicant Okay, adam your question. Yeah one one question just in reference to the the windows on the in the back um that waterways asked for um, Adam you mentioned um eyes on the creek but uh, they're um They're labeled as faux windows on a 101 a 1.01 Yes, okay, so not necessarily Not necessarily eyes on the creek is just to break up the massing is it correct I believe so. I think the applicant team can kind of respond to that Okay I just wanted to make certain that they were faux or if they were actually looking Yes, thank you for pointing that out. Yes. Thank you Yeah, adam looking at the project plans If there were to be a window on that side It'd be a window into a storage unit. It's not like it's on a hallway or anything like that. So I think that's part of the wrinkle Is that I think waterways is asking for something with eyes in the creek, but it's not a It's not it's it's not a development in the sense where there's a person occupying the space to be able to look at the creek Well, now you've given me a really it's just Yeah I saw that too. That was my question Yeah, um, so I guess the question I have related to that is So if we disagree with the waterways advisory committee and we want to say look There's no reason for the applicant to have the windows Can we delete the windows? If I believe that's within your purview Okay, so the I guess that's what I'm asking the waterways advisory committee has asked for the windows But they're an advisory committee not a board therefore if we as a board wanted to get rid of the windows We could correct you're correct. Yes. Okay. Awesome. Any other questions from anybody? Cool. All right. So at this time I'd like to entertain a motion of any type approved and I Or continue to a date certain anybody up I will move to approve item 8.3 west coast self storage designer view major 970 piner road dr2 1-004 And uh, do I hear a second I'll second that All right, we got a motion from michael and a second from board member mckew Excuse me just to jump in here real quick my apologies I think we want to make sure for these resolutions that we're reading that the title block of the resolution So I think that included some of the language about that may have been from the agenda itself Um, so that first paragraph that's all in capitals if we could read that and then end it by saying And wait for the reading of the text. That's the formal Sure, let's do it again. Michael. Sorry for the interruption. Thanks. No, that's okay I would I would move to approve item 8.3 West coast self storage design review major 970 piner road dr2 1-004 Major design review for west coast self storage proposing a three-story approximately 66,200 square foot building On a 0.95 acre parcel for use as personal storage facility The project is eligible for a category Categorical exemption under the california environmental quality act and waive the reading of the text Excellent. Do I have a second john? Are you on it again? Yes, second Awesome. So we have a motion from board member birch and a second from board member recue Let's move into discussion And we'll start with uh board member wicks any discussion on this project Pretty light. I I noticed the one part of the elevation that was we commented on Back at that concept the last time we saw it has been taken care of. I uh, I think the project's fine. I would Make it a condition that those windows in the back be removed I I thought for a second about maybe somebody from the creek is looking at doing something potentially unlawful and would see those windows up there and think twice because They don't know until Unless they watch this meeting nobody watches Henry you muted yourself there I hate my ipad sometimes, but yeah, I I would I think the I would Like to see those windows removed if they're not going to have an actual eyes on the creek Board member sharing comments Um, sure, uh, well as a member of the waterways advisory committee Um, I'm I'm also okay with with uh with that stipulation if uh, if we want to do that as well I think that's there unless we stipulate that they they have to store mannequins in that storage unit So really get the eyes quick um, but yes That sounds good to me, um Having seen this with design review and with waterways this in last spring I do I do appreciate the taking into account the applicant team taking into account the feedback and the updates and I think it's a great project That you've brought back to us And you know right off the bat when I was doing my research and looking at this uh, the The diversity of the plant palette is uh, is really wonderful. Um, is definitely some thought that that went into this and You've done a really great job Um with that, so um, yeah, I I do appreciate that and I think that uh This could be a you know plant palette that for um similar types of projects Could be you know, almost a template for that or at least taking some suggestions. So very well done um, and uh, also thanks for um taking into account my comments about the california rose on the back fence Um, the lady banks roses, um should be fine. They're definitely hardier than california roses and more robust Um in terms of foliage and growth. So that should be fine um by me so Those are my comments. Um good update and uh, thanks for thanks for bringing the project back to us Thanks adam board member wozki Well, we could get the eyes on if um, if they added a caretaker unit back there um I think they're a great idea The way to incorporate a little bit of housing they will have a manager that manager person will need to find housing somewhere Why not have it on site? So I would I would suggest that as a solution We could actually have the eyes on the creek and someone could have some housing Um, and my only other comment is I appreciate their wrought iron fence versus chain link. I think that's a definite upgrade That's it for me Thanks. Sheila board member mckew You're you're muted john That's great I really don't have any comments specifically about the project I do endorse some of the comments made by my fellow board members And so i'm just going to leave it at that Thanks john board member birch Yeah, I I I really appreciate Sheila's comment about on the on-site manager and uh, potentially that unit being in the back um I also like the idea that adam had to pile up mannequins looking out at the creek so people would be Freaked out in kind of a 60s sci-fi way. So um, I think that I think the windows need to go. I think that there's probably adequate russell creek seems to have a good canopy of trees I think just letting that backside which is Not necessarily part of our design guidelines But letting the backside of the project just sort of blank out is okay against that backdrop And the windows there are just awkward other than now. I think the project is great. So cool I did forget to ask a question. Uh, I got all excited running the meeting. I forgot to ask this um I'm seeing three gates. There's the entry gate which is on the Excuse me just on the east side, I guess And then there's this like single swing gate thing On the south by the creek or maybe a double gate and I'm not really understanding that one And then there's a gate on the west side to get out maybe the Maybe adam ross or the applicant could tell me what that's about the gate in the back the south gate Yeah, let me let me just kind of Take a second to figure that out for you. And then maybe oh, it looks like uh, Steve tangney Yeah, we grant him permission Michelle Hi, can you hear me? We can thank you Hi, this is Steve tangney applicant west coast self storage um Also have on the line robin murphy our architect and civil engineer today for the meeting but The three gates are there one is the entry gate that is the major gate for entry and exiting the Fire marshal wanted a secondary gate to keep the public from using all of the fire lane and parking in it And then the adjacent auto repair business cooglers auto repair wants to secure their yard at night So they have their own gate which butts up against our building and crosses that same 20 foot EVA it's an emergency emergency vehicle easement Okay, so I think I'm understanding this the gate that's on the west side adjacent to the auto shop is actually the gate For the auto shop even though it's it's straddling the property line Yeah, and then the gate on the south near the creek is actually your gate to secure the back so The public can't just use it all time. Okay. We're cool. All right. Thank you. Yeah, awesome. Thank you so much Yeah, I was just I was sitting here scratching my head. I'm like, why are there three gates? It's just I know it seems a little awkward It is not intended to circulate all the way around the building for the average everyday customer Right there. The idea is that they pull in to the under They unload and then they pull out and leave. That's right. Yeah, perfect. Okay, awesome Um, okay, so that's it for everybody. I've got two conditions It sounds like uh shall remove foe windows at south elevation Everybody agrees with that and then um since I heard it from both Sheila and Michael Consider the addition of a caretaker unit And then that's it. Does that sound good to everybody? Okay, Adam Actually, uh, Steve since you're on the line there I'll just reread those again Shall remove foe windows at south elevation And consider the addition of a caretaker unit So Steve do you have any issues with either of those conditions for approval? um, yes the ladder we The industry has kind of gotten away from caretakers units, uh on in general You know, there are 800 900 a thousand square feet Typically when we do them require their own utilities sewer lines water lines and and so it's quite a change to the economics of the project to incorporate one of those and And really doesn't add a lot of value the security systems There'll be some 32 cameras on this project 24 7 Are far superior to the kind of security their manager can create and We we don't uh We don't typically do them we have about 100 facilities up and down the west coast and they're just not done anymore we um We don't mind removing the windows or leaving them in Uh, if it was important to have eyes on the creek Uh in lieu of a manager's residence, we could modify our interior layout and make those actual windows Be a small loss of storage units, but we could make those uh vision windows Cool. So thanks, Steve for the for your feedback. Um, let's bring it back to the board here and uh, so first and foremost, uh, I just want to let you know that the consider The consider the caretaker unit that's We're just asking you to think about it. You could You know ignore us completely based on what you're telling us on the economics of it now and Not actually having anybody on site. Um, it's just a thought. I mean It's up to the board if they want to include it or not, but it's a consider so you don't have to abide by it Um as for the shower with the windows, uh, I would like to ask the board Is there a preference one where the other based on steve's comments? That we would like to see those to be vision windows to like a hallway Uh at at the backside or are we just comfortable just removing them completely and Allowing west coast storage kind of the maximum Storage capacity of the building I'm for the I'm for the latter drew because I think I think in their current configuration as as uh, Mr. Birch said they're awkward So I I would uh prefer to leave the language as shall be removed So just take the full windows away and not even worry about it. Okay, everybody else for as for adding the vision windows There um, you know as as was alluded to in the the parking discussion with the previous um storage The that you know, there's not all that much usage really. Um, it's primarily a just a storage facility So it's not like there's going to be someone in the hallway all that throughout the day or at night or anything So I don't necessarily think that it would add all that much That's true. I agree with that comment. Yeah Okay, so sounds like we still have our two shall remove foe windows at south elevation And consider the addition of a caretaker unit, which like I said, it's a consider I don't have to do it if you don't like to perspective on the caretaker unit I think Sheila may have been the same don't want to speak for Sheila That's more of a workhouse A workforce housing consideration for me than necessarily Why I think security so just to having it on the record as a workforce housing Consideration is is my thought but it it is a consider so Understood if it doesn't happen Thank you So michael, would would you rather have it? consider a caretaker housing slash workforce housing unit And then yeah either way is good. Okay. Sheila. Is that what you were thinking too? Yeah, that's absolutely what I was thinking Thanks for saying that for member Burke Okay, so we've got two conditions here shall remove foe windows at south elevation Which we heard from the applicant not a big deal one way or the other And then consider the addition of a caretaker unit slash workforce housing And leave it at that You got those adam Yes, I did Okay, so I need a friendly amendment to add those to the resolution From not michael not john I'll make a friendly amendment that those two Friendly amendments be added to the resolution Awesome michael, do you accept the friendly amendment? I do Okay, john do you accept the friendly amendment? I do Perfect that means we are at a roll call. So I will turn it over to the recording secretary for a roll call vote Thank you so much Board member birch I Board member mcquee I Board member sharon I Board member wicks I Board member walski And chair weigel I All right, and that passes with six eyes Thank you very much to uh, steve and his team The approval of item 8.3. So Now we're going to move on to item 8.4, which is a concept design review of mosaic apartments At 1683 petaluma hill road dr 201059 it is a future development of a 160 unit 100 affordable Multifamily development on 4.92 acres And with that we will turn it over to the project planner, which is surprise surprise adam ross Thank you again chair weigel members of the designer review board before I start. I also wanted to share a sentiment for Board member wicks. It's been a pleasure And I'm sure I've aggravated you at some points in time, but I appreciate any sort of friendly communications we've had. I do appreciate Talking offline at times and and I wish you all the best and we are losing A good Board member of the designer view board. So I appreciate that So And with that I'll start. This is the mosaic apartments concept review Located at 1683 to 1785 petaluma hill road. I am adam ross the project planner for this The project site is just under five acres. It's located at the southwest corner of petaluma hill road and colgan avenue in the In the southeast Quadrant of the city of san aroza again at 1683 to 1775 petaluma hill road The site is in a mostly developed urban area and nearby land uses include residential uses to the north commercial uses to the west Residential uses to the south and commercial and residential uses to the east It includes a 160 unit multifamily residential development consisting of 23 three-story buildings and with an eight percent state density bonus 4.92 acre site all existing single family residential units to be That exists on the site are to be removed as part of the project The 160 unit project will be income restricted to 100 100 percent of the units will be income restricted to low-income renters Here's an aerial view a site plan in land in preliminary landscape plan or conceptual landscape plan It'll be 23 smaller kind of smaller structured buildings 94 With 94 two-bedroom one-bath units 66 three-bedroom two-bath units It will be 35 feet high with three foot architectural elements for a total of 38 feet in certain areas But the overall roof line is is 35 feet Amenities would include a community center laundry room bike storage at children's playground shaded dining area And teen recreation area. I do want to point out that you the designer view board did see this as a concept item I think a year or two ago It wasn't fully affordable at that time And so if you're wondering why it's come back is because there's some changes because it's now a fully affordable project There are 200 parking spaces as proposed, which is one point Average is out to 1.25 spaces per unit Parking required is two spaces per unit Uh zoning however zoning code section 20 dash 31 point one zero zero Subsection f allows for affordable housing developments to request parking reductions to 0.5 spaces per unit That allows them to come in and ask for that at the beginning and then the city would Would have to consider it and with certain state requirements It's it's it's an acceptable type of request And so that would if that request were to be taken they could ask for 80 parking spaces In consideration of that section of the the zoning code when considering it affordable affordable units Here's some elevations for For reference The applicant team will will go over this better in their presentation There again Horizontal siding siding asphalt single roof stuck up with fascia So i'm just going through this quick because the applicant will go into go through them in greater detail and This I just want to point out this is not a project to siqua until they submit the formal application and then siqua would be considered Um, and with that that concludes staff's presentation again the applicant does have a Presentation that is that I can start sharing as soon as you give me the okay Oh, yeah, I'm one second. Let me finish writing a note here. Sure Sorry, uh, go ahead. We had a minor emergency here at my house and I was trying to finish that note too Um, so yeah, please go ahead and share the applicant's presentation and uh, Let michelle let's grant the applicants the ability to speak So that they can go through the project with us Yes, the applicants can please raise their hand a little permit. Uh, good evening My name is uh, jeff johnson. I just want to make sure that the applicant my applicant team is Is all in the house here? Michelle is it michelle? Yes, so it looks like we have, um Jeff curt and christine who have um speaking permissions currently Okay, uh, I'm also, uh Would like to include chris mckeller my partner and sherry hoffman. Is she she raised your hand? Okay I've got sherry And then i'm sorry. Who was the chris mckeller chris mckeller Okay, they both have speaking permissions. Okay, great. Um, so thank you so much for staying up To hear our project. We really appreciate it And again, my name is jeff johnson. I'm with the developer mckeller mcgallon real estate development We really appreciate the opportunity that These concept design review hearings give us to get early input on our projects We find that very valuable and we appreciate your your time and and your And your analysis So as as I said, I'm here with my partner chris mckeller Our architect kirk mckinley Our landscape architect christine talbot from quadriga Our affordable housing consultant sherry hoffman with chelsea investment corporation If you can go to the next page adam Yeah, I just I just wanted to point out the location of the site and some of the attributes We are at the corner of headluma hill road and colgan avenue We are About a quarter of a mile About a quarter mile down colgan to the west is the san rosa marketplace At which there is a as you can see a cosco target trader joe's marshals And a bunch of other restaurants and other amenities Not to mention lola's market directly across the street and I would be remiss in not mentioning the the noodle palace, which is just up the road Kawana elementary school is in within walking distance of the project as is colgan creek park and Taylor mountain regional park is very close by We are on a bus route the number five Route and we will be accommodating a bus stop at our corner of colgan and petaluma hill road We will be doing that as part of our project I'm going to And just turn it over now to work to our architect kirk can lead to go through The architectural aspects of what we are proposing here. I will say though that we We are as adam said is 160 units that we are proposing that is a density bonus increase of only 13 units above what is allowed by current city code at 30 units per acre And that's 147 units our density bonus request here is is quite modest And as adam pointed out we are asking for 1.25 parking spaces per unit which our affordable housing folks are telling us given The attributes of the site the transit-oriented nature of the site Is is adequate and very workable. So at this point I will turn it over to mr. McKinley Good evening. My name is Kirk McKinley. I'm the architect on the project with the McKinley associates. Can we go to the next slide, please? I'm assuming it's to be site plan. That's great You'll notice the Petaluma hill road is up to the north with colgan way to the left of the project We have two entry points into the project one off a petaluma hill road and one off Coglan we also have an emergency firetruck access on to petaluma hill road, but that is only for firetruck access The project has 10 different building types Or 10 different buildings. I think we have five different building types In order to achieve the right density mix between two and three better units on the site, which is a Unusual for a family project. We normally have one bedroom units mixed into the family projects But this project has taken on the responsibility to do Two bedroom and three bedroom units, which are all family oriented The project site is a little unusual because it does have some Consideration where we can't get and you know, it's got some awkward conditions because of the shape of the site And so it's offered up an option of having much more open space Because of the triangular spaces that Are kind of wasted spaces which we've utilized as more open space to Provide features and amenities on site So the main entrance is off of Coglan You come into the project all the streets are 26 feet wide to allow for firetruck access And based on our previous experience on the project We're confident that we have firetruck access to all buildings at this time Upon entering off of Petaluma Hill Road To the left There's a community building which is off the central quarter where you see one of the purple Open space elements and that's a central 1800 square foot community center building That is required by density bonus requirements relative to tax credits Otherwise all the rest of the buildings have two and three bedroom units with several amenity spaces Around each one of the buildings Next slide Here's a little bit more of a black and white Representation of the site you can see that we have A breakdown of the unit types on the left hand on the right hand side of the sheet We have 160 units 94 of them are two bedrooms 66 of them are three bedroom units Or a total of 160 with 200 parking spaces at a right parking ratio of 125 Or 1.25 for each one of the units You can see the layout of the parking. We've got the trash locations already located. We've got handicap parking Located ev parking located And we're confident that this layout is Generally generally going to be accepted by all the disciplines of the city That have Jurisdictional review over the project next up next plan next slide, please This is kind of a breakdown of what um jeff has already talked about They're all the buildings are all three stories. It's a hundred percent affordable project Um, they were showing again in the breakdown of unit So within the project and the description that I've already talked about relative to The breakup of the site plan within the community center just to make sure that we all understand what the community center is It's an element that provides study and lounge space computer stations uh restrooms a kitchen area for the tenants of the buildings as well as bike storage And um a laundry area next slide, please The elevations are similar to the elevations that we have provided in the past. It's a little bit more residential character Although the color blocking is a little bit more um Varied than we would We have normally shown on projects But it does have a mixture of um stuck on wood siding on the buildings with shadow boxes Extending the architectural elements as well as a residential character on the project next slide The buildings are broken up into pods Of six units or eight units. I'm sorry six units And so this is a 24 unit building because it has four pods And two of the pods are accessed by a single stairwell The floor plans are very effectively designed. They're very um Flexible in terms of the space and they're extremely livable This is a building that shows three bedroom units on the end of the buildings And two bedrooms in the center of the units We've taken this building type and actually split it in half and used half the building In some areas because of site considerations and also we've done it situations where we've made 18 unit buildings Just by splitting off one of the modules So it's a very effective way of dealing with getting the density on the site and working with the configuration of the site Next slide This is one of the other building types. It's an all two bedroom building type next slide This is again as I discussed is one of the smaller versions of the building This is an 18 unit building next next slide And down to the smallest building type, which is the 12 unit You can see where all the modules are the same and they function all the same and they work Effectively to create the overall site next slide This is the community center building 12 or I guess that yeah, it's a 12 plex And what the which is in the center of the site and I believe the next slide shows the preliminary layout of the community space next slide No, it didn't next slide I didn't again So this is a blow up of the floor plans. You can see this is a two bedroom unit in a three bedroom unit And you can see how functional the plans are All the bathrooms are handicap accessible even on the upper floors We didn't downsize them even though the buildings are only handicap accessible On the ground floor because we only have stairwells in the buildings. We don't have elevators But the plans layout to maximize furniture layout and flexibility of layout and There's ample storage in the buildings as well as storage In other areas next slide Okay, now we get to the community building This is a community building which will have you as you can see a community center computers office space for leasing Bike storage maintenance in a small kitchen area and the central area for washer dryer We always try to get to the washer dryer centralized next to the community space because the communities People come to the washer dryer areas and inner And the synergy between the the community space and the laundry areas are important Because it forces people to you know communicate with other people in the project next slide This is back to the site plan overall And i'll turn it over to christine talbot to go through the landscape Thanks, kirk. This is christine talbot from quadriga landscape architecture. Good evening We've seen the site plan before and as kirk and Jeff we're discussing this new configuration really allows for a lot more diverse open space for each of the building units and provides some really interesting usable spaces in the in the site Just as a an overall kind of Reference the we will be you know updating the streetscape On both paddling the hill road and colgan avenue and creating sidewalks and walkable area those street trees The site has perimeter fencing On the west and south sides It's a solid wood fencing is the thought right now I think there's been some discussion With some of the neighbors to the south that that we may have a A wall condition to provide extra security for them Otherwise the the site is open there. It's not a gated community If I wish I had a blow-up, but I don't so I will refer to some of the amenities with color if you see the purple spaces They're at the center of each of the Central courtyards of each kind of building cluster And there's two of them. Those are the play spaces that we've created They'd be for two to twelve. So for you know kind of a broad age range The center one that's looks like a I don't know it looks like a tic-tac Purple tic-tac is in a proximity to the community center. And so it's going to be activated by The laundry facility like Kirk was describing so very central to the community with Seeding areas and shade and trees and plantings The other play area to the south Is a little more tucked away and can be a fun little space You know, I can see families letting their kids play out there with relative safety And it'd be a nice little shady spot We've also incorporated a teen space Because we do have kind of limited dimensions. We're not able to provide Like a sport court or anything like that. There's there's parks nearby that offer that kind of amenity. So we've Focused on providing quieter amenities, but still space for games and game tables In the area to the west kind of that triangular shaped Where the building is just a single building type that's north south We've provided seating space with some gaming tables And then on the north the most northern more most piece of property. I'm sorry. I'm tired The there's a courtyard a circular courtyard That's really kind of the little accent of that that building cluster So overall, I think We have a diversity of spaces. We have a community garden will be developing Low impact development to manage the stormwater on site. We have shade trees We have You know, the water efficient planting As well as just a variety of planting types And I will now turn it back to Jeff for any final comments he would like to to provide. Thank you Well, thanks Kirk and thanks Christine. Yes, we are excited to be bringing this our our second 100% affordable project to Santa Rosa and Look forward to your Consideration in your comments. Thank you. Thanks for your presentation applicant team. Jeff Kirk Kirk Chris sherry and Christine um, so I'd like to open up a public comment uh at this time For anybody wishing but yeah, john go ahead. I'm about to lose my battery on So so what I need to do is I need to step away and get a charger and see if I can put this thing together Sure. Do you mind if we proceed through the public comment stuff? No, fine. Fine. I wonder about you. Awesome. So, um Let's just go to public comment. So if uh and again, this is a concept item. So this is a courtesy we extend to the public As we like to hear from the public if possible During concept items. So if you would like to speak on this project, please raise your hand in the zoom meeting And we will acknowledge you and the recording secretary Will give you the The option to speak Okay. Thank you so much. I am not seeing any hands at this time And neither am I so we'll go ahead and close public comment at this time And uh, we'll go ahead and uh, just wait a few minutes here for john to plug in his ipad Uh, because I'd like for him to hear all of the questions and comments from the board if possible Is that cool with everybody? We'll just hang out Have a dance party. I don't know What uh, what kind of birthday cake did you guys have tonight? Uh, she just wanted cupcakes. So we got cupcakes How old did she turn? Uh eight Yeah, oh my son just turned eight last week Yeah, I I think we've had that conversation that they're close to age and they're both in second grade blah blah blah blah It's true. I haven't seen you in person for Two years. It's been a while. Yeah, exactly I know I it's funny. I live kind of like around the corner from michael and I I don't see michael ever So there you go Yeah, and I'm I'm just a few blocks away from both of you. I think so. Yeah, exactly Yeah, all right. It's that pandemic isolation, right? We should meet at cemetery Yeah, we should Eventually we're on franklin park. Yeah I'm good. I'm good for the battery All right Not beer green tea just so everybody's clear um So john we're ready for uh questions and comments uh from the board. Uh, there were no public comments. So just giving you the update there So Questions of the board questions comments, uh, henry You're in the hot seat today No problem Way to send me out No questions, um comments would be I would be okay if there is a logical, um Way to still keep some of the of the nice open spaces but add more units to it. I think I think Going under one unit or one unit One parking space per unit. I think would be acceptable to me And an affordable housing project, especially one that has You're going to be doing the bus stop. It's very walkable areas for for services It's a good spot where the card isn't necessarily needed It's not on the fringe further down on pedal in my hill road. So I I would encourage you to come back with more units if you wanted um Cut on the fence about the Um The residential Gable roofs on it. I I could see those going away. Um, but But only because there's there were a couple of awkward connections where They joined some of the parapets, but I'm kind of on the fence about that but I I I think overall some it's a conceptually it's a it's a really good project and and uh To get those additional units you could go vertical too. I know going from free story wood frame to four stories probably got some problematic Type three the type implications, but I know a lot of developers are doing five story wood frame. So um, I give you I give you a free reign to come back with more units and and taller and Uh, a little more contemporary architecture. That's my comment Thanks, Henry, uh adam questions and comments Thank you. Um, no questions right now and uh comments um Yeah First off, um, thanks for thanks for coming back. Um to us not with this project but with this site but with Thank you for for what you do what i'm trying to say is thank you for for what you're trying to do It's good to see you again doing Um an affordable housing project here in Santa Rosa. Thank you for um, you know, I you you mentioned that last time you were in front of us that you were um Looking to do this and it's it's great to see um to see you guys again and um again another great well-thought-out project and concept um Yeah, I I think Henry has a really good point of um or an idea of potentially I would I could also see happy more units in here. Um as the the layout that you have now um I uh do Like this layout uh better and I do think that you're done. Got some very thoughtful um um Consideration of all the triangles and the pieces and I think that you even knit together and this the project as you've presented to us um is is a very uh it's it's um It's got a lot to it and into into a tight space and so um Yeah, I think this is a really great iteration of it. Um One uh one just one thing to think about um this is the um the kind of we you know in thinking about your past projects in front of us um the uh The aesthetic that you have and that the the forms and typologies you're using. Um, I like them I I do think um, it's a it's a really nice design that you bring to us, but it's the third time we've seen a similar um similar kind of design and you know Since we're having a number of developments in developments in Santa Rosa. Um You know in the future coming back, you know, think of other forms that you can bring to us other ways to innovate as well I don't necessarily want to go around town and see Yeah, that's it's another Development there and that one over there too. It's it's because they have similar things. Um, it's nice to have nods, but you know those the bands um, you know Are are are nice. They're it's a really nice idea, but we don't necessarily need to repeat them everywhere in town um Adam can I I'm glad you said something and you were much more uh eloquent than I was This is the same design that we saw on august 19 And so I I don't mean that to be rude. I mean it to be I think what you're saying let's be creative in adapting to the site conditions of each individual project Yeah, I think it was just what you're saying a little bit more eloquently than I was thinking about saying in And and I think even if you notice when you open the file, it says aviera design review On our end, which was the same project we saw Isn't it also similar to the project we reviewed on college? Yeah, it's that was the original time we saw this type of design um with the really the really modern form of it. Um, and so Just saying it's it's a good design. Let's we we don't need to hammer it all around town. I think um, but um, but as it is now, I think you've you've you know, the the colors that you've included in the The flare It's it's what you have is your proposing is a good design you have now. Um, I'd say think about um, Henry's comments about I'm trying to get some more More units in here, but um, thank you again for bringing this. Thanks for for, um, you know You know hitting the the niche of the two and three bedroom 100 affordable too. It's really great And uh, yeah, I really appreciate your efforts in in this realm To hit the affordable housing. So thank you very much for bringing this again Thanks Sheila This may sound sad, but I was so super excited to see that outdoor concrete ping pong table I've never seen that be used. I thought that was so awesome. Um Just a really cool and I like how uh, I think it was Christine talked about having like these quieter Play amenities and ping pong is that way plus it's a great sport. So yes, if you can add that, please do I'd like to reiterate um Board member wicks's comments and board member Sharon I think it would be nice if you were able to go up at least one more story and get some more units um I really like the site plan. I like how these buildings are clustered kind of all over the place It's like when you're in summer camp and there are cabins all over and you might run into someone over here Or someone over there. It seems like a little village Which I think will help with um people getting to know one another in the community and that just makes that just makes a place safer um And then I think this is a question And I think kirk addressed this and I I just missed it I got that there are no elevators in these buildings So we're all the ada accessible units on the ground floor That's all I've got Thanks, Sheila um michael And we they can address that I can answer the question for you By code all of the ada units must be located on the ground floor in the absence of an elevator So yes, they'll be required to do that during the plan check period. So yeah I just have I just have a couple of comments and they they line up with um Comments that have been made already On the site plan I agree with what Sheila just said and everybody has said the fact that these pods and clusters with these great open spaces that christine described Are super the only the only unit the only grouping that I see is the um, I'm just struggling here to find it The unit to the the grouping to the southeast has a fairly modest uh little patch of of green As compared to the other locations And I don't know if there's a way to incorporate a little bit more of a of a place at that Southeast cluster um Northeast southeast I think anyway Um, as far as the I think it's the southwest michael actually if you're talking about like the bottom left corner Yeah, that's it the Comment that I have about the architecture is that um, I feel like the gable roof Sort of more suburban attaches better to a project like college at the g&g parking lot um Petaluma hill road is a you know As funny as it sounds just south just south of here. We have cow pastures But the context of petaluma hill road is a little bigger and a little faster and a little bit And I think that the response from an architectural standpoint Uh over the past 10 years has been a more contemporary appearance rather than sort of a suburban appearance out at the street edge So what struck me was just that I you know a lot about the a lot about the elevation is great And I think that's why it's Something that we've seen and liked in a couple of different projects here But it definitely is the more contemporary piece. I just I question the same thing about About the roof line And that gable and I'm not sure if that's what belongs right out on petaluma hill, which is about what does it seem like about 12 lanes now and 75 miles an hour and I just wonder if it doesn't want to be a bit more contemporary in this context You don't have to change a lot about the elevations. I just think that That roof line is is is a little bit quiet for maybe the the corner of colgan and petaluma hill road And those are my comments Thanks, michael john your comments questions You're muted again john I like the color palette and I don't particularly have a a problem with design at all I you know, I I think it is Acceptable and I like the configuration of the site plan and I compliment you on the affordability Aspects of this. I think this is a project that that's san rosa desperately needs And I am quite supportive of it. So thank you very much for bringing it forward. I really appreciate that and and You know that's kind of where I am Thanks john and uh my comments. I think are pretty apparent You carbon copied a project that you presented to us in august. Please don't do that I think each individual site has its own site constraints conditions and adjacent architecture And if you look at our design review guidelines, it says that that each individual project needs to adapt And adjust to the site conditions that are present and the architecture that surrounds it And so well while we saw this project like michael said on west college or whatever it was next to the grocery store It made sense there because of this context and the scale of what was there And I think to henry's point Go big This is an area that needs a lot of housing has a lot of housing is has a lot of housing being built Explore doing four stories five stories and see how to see if that pencils out For you guys and since you are pursuing a density bonus, why not Go after the density bonus bigger Um, and I understand, you know, there are economics associated with this and and it may not pencil out for you guys But it may be worth sharpening your pencil a little bit to see if you can make a couple more units work out And then also adjusting the architecture Exteriorly, I think You know kirk mckinley the insides work, right? You don't have to Reinvent the wheel in terms of how the units are set up. You don't have to reinvent The staircases and how they pass through but I think looking at the gables and the transitions and also colors and the adjacent properties Uh, maybe a clue as to how the architecture of this project can change a little bit To fit within its context, which is Um, I think as you noted, there's a lola's market right there, which has its own unique architecture. There's the You know the costco shopping Area, which of course is a bunch of big box stores, but still again, it has its own architecture There's the large development across the street Down I don't know half mile mile Which has been a phase development that we've seen a number of projects from uh over the last couple years here So, uh, I would encourage you to explore the architecture a little bit differently and see if you can make the facades Speak to the surrounding architecture, I think I would say if I were an architectural professor But uh, I like that I also like the site layout. I think it's functional and it works. It's got fairly nice, uh Kind of ingress egress kind of components So you're allowing egress from colgan and pedaluma hill road, which should hopefully alleviate some of the traffic concerns There's ample parking. There's lots of nice little nooks and crannies for different things to occur and happen Which I think is really nice Because you're kind of uh, I think I've said this before but like what do you get for free? Right so to speak You're creating kind of what do you get for free because of the way that you've laid out the buildings and the parking So you're utilizing those areas to create something that may not be there otherwise um All right, so, you know, the idea of a garden the idea of you know, the The concrete ping pong or concrete chess tables or playgrounds and things like that That's really unique and interesting and it's a it's kind of it's an amenity that I don't think is around here so You know the you know Somebody's neighbor who lives across the way may come over and play ping pong with them You know, somebody's kids may come over and they may do that So I think there's a lot of cool stuff kind of happening at a site plan level um But again, I would encourage you guys to really go back and look at the architecture again Because we may have a new board member Come come the next time probably an architect. I imagine When henry's gone here So Those would be my console otherwise great project in terms of how you thought it out and how to make the site plan work We've certainly never seen architecture. We've certainly never seen architects with differing opinions Yeah Well, there's there's two of us here right now. Our third is having some health concerns Right now, and if Warren were here, he'd probably say the same thing As as I did So although probably much more artistically articulate as it were in anyway In pros in pros right in pros lyrically So, yeah, so anyway, so thanks guys for bringing this to us. We appreciate it and we look forward to seeing your next iteration and I think we've all challenged you guys to see if you can Try to to get more units on the site I think we as a board Over the last couple years have really Wanted to see more More housing when possible in terms of density and especially if you're going to pursue a density bonus, you know, see if we can stretch that and Any other thoughts from the rest of the board I'm I'm curious to I'm curious to hear the reaction from the applicant. I don't know if you're going to sound like you're wrapping it up But I would be curious to hear Okay, I'd be curious to hear a reaction To our comments Sure. Yeah, I mean typically, you know, typically we just Let them go on their way after concept. But if you if they have a reaction, sure Well, we very much appreciate it and and again, we very much appreciate this opportunity to come come to you ahead of time So that this isn't At the end of the process This is the beginning of the process. So this is again very very helpful. I think it's um A little unique in my experience Actually completely unique in my experience for a city to ask us to do more density And that's that is that is refreshing and we will we will take a look at both of those those aspects The additional density there are cost considerations as as you say when you start going above three stories You get into a really a completely different thing and you and you've got elevators and things of that nature So we we will we will we will take a look at that we'll take that that to heart The kind of the interesting thing about the site is because of its unusual character It does, you know, it's been a challenge But it's been but it's interesting what it's yielded in terms of fun little little pocket areas Which which I think do make for You know, very much more livable environments. It's not just one area So like a lot of little areas that add up to something pretty cool So we we like that. Um, we are not afraid at all of of of a more contemporary look Um, and we understand that the site Probably probably has Calls for that more certainly more than college, which is in a which is in a more residential area And this is a more cutting edge of town. So we will we will take that into consideration as well The ADA issue I think was answered. So I just wanted to touch on that We will we will do that as required by code and and that will be on the ground floor. So Uh, those are those are my kind of reactions. Uh, Kirk, I don't know if you want to weigh in here or christen keller On anything other than what I've said I was just thinking about one more thing from a density perspective Here we go Is sherry still on the line Sherry hoffman I'm still here. Yep. Sherry. Could you share some of your experiences? In the tax credit You know field of getting financing for these projects relative to the size of the projects Oh, uh, sure the fifth fifth. Um Well financing is uh, uh, you know, there's many sources of affordable financing. We financed using the tackle on commousing tax credit program Um, high density projects are very well received and encouraged Uh, high, you know, uh projects located um in a transit corridor close to amenities As this one's location. It's a very nice location for having walkable amenities and access to public transit And we we've you know, we can finance, uh larger projects. Um, but you know, there's also Sometimes if they go, we go too large and we've done large projects So you have to consider phasing them for the purposes of financing Um, I think this project, you know, if financable wise at 160 units is a good single phased as far as the financing goes, but Uh, certainly understand encouraging um high density Yeah, I was just thinking of the 400 unit project we're doing right now with you And how how difficult that's become in terms of financing it Yeah, well, that's yeah, that's for phases which two senior phases and two family phases and has uh, a considerable amount of um infrastructure associated with the storm drain and all that So so we've talked we've talked about um higher densities on this and also west college And uh, the reason why I stayed away from it mostly is because the additional huge additional cost increases when you go to the four and Particularly five stories with regard to fire safety and just the safety in general and kirk. I think maybe that's what you're alluding to Uh, not just the number of units which becomes difficult to finance because of limited amounts of of uh money available Yeah, and which and and the agencies like to spread it around. They don't like to put it all in one place and so That's something we we've had to deal with And uh, and so those those are the barriers that will I mean as far as as far as uh changing architecture To make it a little more sleek as opposed to traditional Gable construction I don't know if you want to say anything about those two issues. Oh, no Because that doesn't it occurs to me Yeah, no, we don't have a problem with that. It's just that I know that based on our experience with chelsea that the larger the projects we get into The longer time period is it is to put together the financing to get the project done and it's It's a lot more complex than the smaller projects And I oh, yeah, because we end up having as you say kirk We have to phase them if they get too large for the finance and that's correct And then as you go higher with elevators we find ourselves pulling the buildings together and having Fewer buildings because they need to be elevator serve. So you get a different site plan And that's not my I mean i'm speaking completely out of my element. I'm on the finance side, but Occur is you just get a different look as as well Yeah, I was just thinking as you guys have been talking through this. Yeah, we're just thinking, you know, maybe it's uh I was just maybe it's a way to We're encouraging to explore density Maybe it's a way to to mix it up, right? Maybe you find an area that you densify a little bit and you keep the rest of it at the three stories or maybe you Utilize the street edges to create, you know, four or five stories or maybe it undulates or there's massing changes I think it's it's up to you is the applicant team and design team to explore How to potentially densify if if that you know like and you know You're bringing up all a lot of a lot of struggles that I think a lot of developers have in terms of financing and construction costs and labor costs and all those good things that happen and Code requirements and fire apparatus requirements, etc. I'm an architect. I get it So and I think we're just encouraging you to to look at this and say your site plan is good Take a peek at what if the central element on pedaluma hill road was maybe five stories? I don't know. It's just it, you know, take a take a stab at it and see if you can add a couple more units 20 30 40 I don't know and see if it works out financially or or not and and I think certainly the the council has given us direction at times at least in conversations I've had with the mayor that housing is a priority and uh We're certainly very open to that as a board and when we couldn't create density through great design and and which also complies with the design guidelines and allows for flexibility of massing and Kind of unit type and that type of stuff. It's kind of a win-win win for everybody as long as the pencil's out, right? As long as we can do it Yeah, yeah, and also we considered the parking as well because That's also a consideration with more units Well any other thoughts from the applicant team? No, again, just thank you for those thoughts and we will be we will be working on those those points Absolutely, and I think And the board can correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but If we're asking for more units, we understand there's a parking component But because you're affordable, I believe you also have the option to potentially reduce parking As a as another option through The density bonus require, you know allowances so that just again take a look at that see what works Like you said, this is a really interesting site. It's got a bus stop. It's close to the elementary school. It's close to services You know, there's some there's some nice flexibility here with where it is given Kind of how you could could you know? Allow for a little bit more density And what I the reason I mentioned that I think there's a project we're seeing at our next meeting that has virtually no parking That's coming up. So I think our projects some of these projects in in different areas based on whether the zoning exists or there's a density bonus or something like that They're they're trying to squeeze more units To make it work out. So just an encouragement Good thoughts. Thank you. Thank you Michael, did you have anything there? No, I I love the channel and the challenge is out there. We're open We're open to these things and so in terms of finding that sweet spot It's not a prohibitive Sort of environment in Santa Rosa and I think that where you can find that spot We love to try to suss that out. So Yeah, exactly cool. So that and Here Yeah, that ends item 8.4 So thank you again to the the project team for presenting to us and we look forward to seeing you again And with that we are on item nine, which would be our adjournment with with which we bid farewell to board member wicks And I'm sure Henry I owe you a lunch or a drink or something at this point Well, I I was going to say please And I'd love to do that drew and and same with adam I I I missed the days when we get together at least once a year and have have dinner together Welcome the new members and uh And also lusher out the The old members that would come and attend so hopefully we'll get back on track And you guys give me a heads up when that that happens and we can all meet and And catch up I'll truly miss seeing you guys every couple of weeks. I I've really enjoyed my time on the board I'm glad I've been able to give back And I and I hope when I bring a project which I think I've got one coming your way in about six months You guys are kind to me on the on the other side. So No way I'd expect nothing last man Thank you. Thank you, Henry. Yeah, you're welcome Mike. Thanks again. All right Very on. Yeah, thank you so much Amy, do we have anything else or can we adjourn? Sorry, uh, oh adam go ahead. Sorry. No, no time I was saying goodbye and we haven't adjourned yet. So Just one one quick thing because I forgot to mention this earlier Um, because we're sending out a lot of emails if the board members can try and remember to check their their city emails like Twice a week would be ideal We'd appreciate that very much and thank you all for Staying on for this long meeting. I really appreciate it Thank you Steph Thank you Yeah, and as a recommendation, I check mine like Monday Wednesday You know just because or more often my iPad just kind of sits right here at my at-home desk as it were But I I do get more email than I think the rest of you guys do Chair but uh, anyway Henry it's been a blast Sorry to say goodbye virtually Well, thank you. Thank you, Henry. I've learned a lot. Let's just listening to you and so I really appreciate that Thank you. Well, thanks, John. You've learned you've taught me how to be a little bit more concise in both my comments and my My my trying to wrap up things. So I appreciate I appreciate your Straightforward talk. So I've learned from you And you know what Henry Henry you and I have never even met in person Isn't that sad But I really would like to reiterate board member McHugh's comments And I learned a lot by listening to all of you but really You're a pro. So thank you. Oh, you're very welcome You're very welcome Continue You're not moving away. Are you it doesn't are you moving to san Antonio? I I am splitting time, but I I've um, I've got to spend a little bit more time I I've got some some hooks and some of the marketing back here in san Antonio and And the area I actually bought a house here. Um, I wasn't not planning on living here full time for about another 10 years, but I I bought up in the whole country and a little town called bernie And uh, we're gonna I know where bernie is nowhere that is I I do I used to live in texas my daughter's in san Antonio Really see do architecture Pardon me. Is she is she an architecture? No, she's not she no she's not she's a stay-at-home mom Well good for her She did architecture. I'd ask her to send me a resume Sorry to jump in here, but we're still Running the meeting. So I just don't want it to be strange to be recorded, but I did want to say too. I heard the comments about Having a dinner and I I recall when that used to happen years ago. And so that would be very nice I'm sure for you all to connect in person Hopefully sooner than later. So, um I'll get back to the board on that note as well. Yeah, so let's adjourn the meeting And then we'll have a virtual call or something here. Uh I don't know. We'll see what happens. It this is a brave new world Like my office was kind of sort of coming back and now we're not anymore So, uh, I think everybody's in that scenario right now and it's uh, it's it's it's a challenge It's a challenging one. So Uh, let's adjourn the meeting at nine 24 And then we'll see everybody, uh In two weeks except for henry Yeah, he's done Um, and uh, everybody have a great night. All right. Okay. All right. Thanks. Good night. Good night. Thanks everyone