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Mindpump, mindpump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews. Dude, you got rid of the mustache. You got rid of the mustache. You know what happened? What happened? So I need to buy, because I really enjoy growing facial hair, along facial hair. But what happened was is I have a beard trimmer that I only have the short guard on it. Did you just go off the rails or what? Well, I have the short guard, right? So it's not the long guard where I can gauge it properly. Next time, let me help you, dude. If you fuck it up. You can make some cool brick. You want to have the designs in your face? You want to help me? So what? I explain a lot. So I go, so my daughter, Lighting Bolt. My daughter's like, I put by, I hate it, it's too long, I hate it. You make it cleaner. She's like complaining, right? And my daughter's like, come on. I'm gonna do whatever she tells me. So I go in the bathroom and I'm like, I'm gonna trim this up. I'm gonna clean it up so that my little girl, she thinks her dad's handsome again. So I go and I fucking, cause the guard is too short. And I fucking went too short on one side. So it was either. Bro, you gotta use like scissors. It was either go in, go like, okay, just deal with it and just have one side short and the other or I had to just even everything out. So you don't, so I, when I, when I trim like the mustache, I don't actually take a guard to that. You take the guard off and actually just line your lip. So you go ahead and let the top hair like continue. Is it bad that I use nose hair trimmers to do that? To do what? Nose hair, how do you do that? Bro, it's like this little, I'll bring it in. It's like this little tiny version of that, right? It probably works really good. Yeah. Oh, it's the little. It's a little one. It's a little buzzer. I have one of those for my ear, my nose. That's for your butthole. I take care of. You could use it for that. Fuck now. I never thought I'd ever have to use that should. You know what? You just said something. You know what just reminded me? It was. I just noticed this not making this up like a week ago, dude. I'm looking in the mirror. This is a fucking frightening thing for a man now. There's two things that are quite frightening, three things that are very frightening for a man. White pubic hair. White pubic hair, fucking terrifying. You lose your hair on your head. That sucks. Adam will tell you about that. Or three. Or three hair growing from your ear. What? Oh, in your ear. Why? Oh yeah. I don't get it. What is going on? We evolve into wolf people. What's the evolutionary fucking advantage to that shit? Dude, my nose hair grows more than anything else. Now, you know, it's just like this bush that just forms and I start breathing and he notices. Like, what in the fucking, there's just big old tarantulas in there. I hate it. Yeah. It's stupid. It is. It's stupid. What are you guys, this is a great conversation. What are your guys is like, oh fuck, I'm getting old moments that have happened recently. The hair thing for sure for me. Cause that happened all of a sudden accelerated that. I went through these spurts, right? So when we were younger, I have like my two best friends to go all the way back. I talked about them all the time. I would go all the way back since high school and that of the three of us, my one buddy, like he was thinning in high school. And so it was like. So you knew. Oh, so imagine, we used to tease the fuck out of him. We're like, you know, early twenties. Just like, oh, you know, the hairline shit all the time. And he just, you know, he chalked it up about, I don't know, 25 or so just fuck this, just start shaving it completely, grows his beard out and he's got the facial hair thing. He's had that since he was 25 or maybe even earlier. Then my other buddy and I, we're cool, we're good, dude. We're solid, you know what I'm saying? Good, good hairline, like thick hair, still getting compliments from the hairstylist. Man, he had great, beautiful hair. Somewhere around like 27, he started to get like this spot on the back of his head. And I remember, dude, like we would all just, my boy that was boy, I told you motherfuckers all that teasing, it was gonna happen to you sooner or later. And, you know, he fought it for a while and then he just owned it, shaved it also. And so I've been like the last one to go, you know, and I've been fighting it off for a really long time. And I've tried all these different hairstyles to like make it look better, but. Does it? Yeah, I'm at the point now where it's like. It's okay, you got a hat. Yeah, you know, I wear a hat when I sleep now, when I shower. Everywhere I go now, I always get a call ahead for reservations, like, hey, what's dress code? Can I wear a hat? You know what though, back in the day, I used to have sleeping caps. You remember, you ever watch cartoons? I wear a sleeping cap. Oh, sleeping caps? Yeah. I feel it's uncomfortable. Who's the thing? But every time I look at the mirror and I'm like brushing my teeth, my head's down, especially in the morning time when my hair's all fucked and going different directions and you just like can see your scalp, you're like, oh my God. Read your own mind. Yeah, an old. So that's your getting old moment right there? There's nothing else? I think in two like. Cause that happens sometimes when you're young. I mean you and your 20s are good. Well for me, it was mainly like, okay, so I was with a group of younger people, let's just say in a car, right? And like they wanted to choose music and like play it. And so I'm like, I'm like riding shotgun. And so I'm like, okay, whatever, cool. And so they started playing music. And it was just like, I just, I noticed like my facial expressions and like my eyes like started squinting really hard. And I was just like, oh, like it was like, I just couldn't relate at all. And it was too loud. I'm like, oh, is this how you guys listen to this? This is too loud. That's it. Like what in the fuck? Have you noticed? I can't even think. Have you noticed that? Shit's too loud now. Everything's too loud. It used to never be too loud. Nothing was ever too loud for me. Everything's too loud. I'm too loud. I'll let people, yeah, like if somebody's speeding and it's like, hey, what are you doing? Meanwhile, you knew you were an asshole. Like it's 16 years old fucking mash it around. Oh my God. And stuff like that. So people that drive like maniacs are like, what the fuck? Katrina had an old moment just yesterday. So here's mine. And then I'm gonna hear Katrina's. But here's mine. This is something that I didn't even know was an old moment until it happened to me. And I was like, oh fuck. So old people, when they sit down, when they first sit down, this is what they do. I'll show you. Ready? Yeah. Like they make that sound. Right? I do that tying my shoes. What the fuck? In the morning, I'm trying to put my shoes on like. So I did it yesterday, right? I sat down with my kids and I just went, yeah. And I'm like, oh fuck. And then I thought about it. Like my objective, like analytical mind, I'm like, why am I? It's like when that door hinge gets a squeak. Yeah. I'm like, why am I making that weird grunting sound? And it's because it's what it is, is you're trying to maintain core stability. When you sit down, just sit. You have to consciously do it now. Yeah. And then you like let it out. You have to let it out slowly so you don't hurt your back. But you're not lifting weights. You're sitting on the couch. Or if your conversation starts to be just based around like what's going on with your body, you know, it's really like, I'll start saying something. I just had a normal conversation and all of a sudden like I had this weird like sound going on in my stomach and it was going up to my throat. It's like. It's like, friend just ties it. What the fuck was that, dude? I was like, I don't know, man. I got some weird stuff going on. That was a new one. Yeah, that was a new one. Or how about this? This new medication. Another one too that this one's like rather recently too is like in the morning a good or bad shit will set the whole day. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like people will be like, damn, dude, why are you in a bad mood today? And I'll be like, I don't know why. And I'll think about like, I didn't have a good shit. Like so much stuff goes wrong. There's a lot of friction on that one. It's not fair, dude. It's not fair. What happened to Katrina? Well, it was Katrina and I both. So we just this last weekend, we went shopping. It's been a while since we got on shopping and we cleaned out the closet, upgraded some shit. And it was so funny. Sounds like an R Kelly song. So we're out though, right? So we both, you know, we both get, you know, a bunch of new stuff. And then of course you don't have to go shopping like that. You want to wear some of your new shit. So we, you know, we both are, you know, in our new fits that we've just purchased. And we go out and I think we're having sushi that night. We're out having dinner and we run into a couple of people that I know that are like really young, they're not really under like 23, 24. And they both make a compliment to us. And they're like, man, you guys look fucking great, dude. I love this fit. And I asked him about, asking about it and everything like that. And then right after that, we go somewhere else, we run into somebody else and same thing. And Katrina, both of us are like, oh yeah, cool, right? But as soon as we get like by ourselves, it's like this fist pump right away. We got, we got complimented by like 23 year olds. We were noticed. Yeah. You see that thing? You notice that you notice my outfit, right? Did you know that? That's your outfit, right? Like, fuck yeah. We're still, we still got this, right? But the fact that it was like this fist pump, like excited moment for you after this is that sign of like, oh man, we're that old. Like you guys are trying. Yeah, like, now you're trying. It's like we had to, before it's a natural thing that just happens. We can relate with you guys. Yes. Hi kids. I just think you end up giving up at some point. You know what I mean? That's exactly what happens. I used to, okay. I remember literally being a trainer. I used to run camps all the time. This was something I used to say to my campers, right? I'd be 25 years old and I'd have. Oh, those are famous. Oh my happy campers. I used to tell them all the time that like, you know, hey, part of my job is training. That was the joke, right? I'm here to help get you in shape this and do all those things. But I'm also here to help you guys not get old. And at one point in your life, you stopped to not give a fuck. Like, and I'm here to make sure you give a fuck for the rest of your life. Like, don't stop listening to new music. Don't stop following new trends. Don't, because that's part of your youthfulness. I promise you that. And I said, so I would tell and preach this all the time. And then it hit me one day where, and I remember the moment it happened to me. I was, I think I was 30. And I'm driving around and back then I had that lifted Chevy and I was like blaring like hinder. And then like I drove by, right? And I was like, I'm feeling, I felt cool. Music was blasting. Windows were down, you know? Yeah. Yeah, right? And I'm driving by and I drive by a bunch of like younger kids and stuff. And I caught that moment. I caught the moment they're looking at me. And in my head, the first, like it's the way it's processing is like, yeah, I'm cool. They see I'm cool. But as we get closer and I go by, they start laughing and pointing at me. And I can tell. Oh my God! And then there was just like, I'm not cool. And, oh man. And then I like, then I actually evaluated like, oh shit, like I'm probably listening to a song right now that's like eight years old, you know? And I'm blaring it like on, and then I remember thinking to myself, fuck, I remember these guys. I remember when I was their age and I remember seeing these guys and looking at my buddies doing. Back then it was a trans-am. We have what a tool, dude. He's like, the shit was so old. Remember when that was cool? Like with my friends. And I realized like, oh God, that was me. And that was that moment for me that I got ahead. And I believe that everybody gets stuck in an era. Yeah, for sure. Everybody does. When you're young, right? I haven't even picked one. When you're... You've messed it all together, I think. Or just made up my own. This is the future. Everybody does this. You can look at somebody, okay? Especially somebody that's older than 30. And you can see where they got stuck. If you're 40, 50, what about that? I can look at someone's outfit and go like, and the music you're listening to, and the outfit you're listening to. And I know where you got stuck and you didn't keep evolving with time. And that's, we all do it. So you guys, you both worked at the Santa Teresa 24. Do you guys remember, I don't know if you kept coming there, but do you guys remember the dude that would come in with the straight up like fucking scorpions hair? Like he had the blonde, you never saw him? Bro, I think, I mean, I almost, I actually walked up to him and asked him if he was in a cover band or something. Cause I thought maybe this was part of his thing. He's like a hair metal band. Bro, I swore to God, dude. It was literally like, like pretend like it's like today's Halloween and I'm gonna put a wig on. I love people like that. That's amazing. You know what I mean? Like just kind of, did he have like tight pants? Bro, he's like 55, dude. That's great. It was, it was. He's coming in. Stuck in that air, right? He was super stuck. Yeah, that's what happens. So I would always tell clients, I'd give them like exercises to do like, listen, you need to watch MTV for two hours. That's it a week. That's all I want you to do. Just watch it, you know, just watch it, absorb it. MTV, I feel like MTV isn't even cool anymore. Well, it's not for us. The internet is. Is it? Nobody watches that shit, dude. All it is is like catfish or whatever. Yeah, I know it. What a fucking stupid show. See, that's what an old person would say to those guys. Yeah, exactly. It's so dumb. Well, that's the problem. Because we work. Basically you gotta pay attention to all the stuff that you think is dumb. Yeah. Ooh, I got bamboozled by some fucking creepy internet guy. You have to be a little bit open-minded, right? I'm not saying that MTV is going to provide all the answers to anybody who's staying in style whatsoever. But it's staying in touch with the younger generation, which is also why I still always keep a handful of young hip kids around me. So I'm not afraid to ask. You use them for their views? I'm not afraid to ask. I keep waiting. I'm like, where's the cool stuff? When I see the cool stuff, I really go for that. Yeah, but this is what I told you guys the other day. Your understanding or your thought process of what cool is is totally disconnected from what really is anymore. You know what's going to suck? And right now, it's cool to be kind of, you know, I don't even want to say it, dude. You don't want to give it away or you don't know what you're going to say? No, I don't even know what it is, to be honest. I haven't figured it out yet. Just so it's about to say, hey, guys, you know what's cool? Yeah. Because I don't like really soft music. And it's like wearing all this like, you know, stupid clothes. Nobody's fucking manly anymore. So nondescript, you know what I mean? No, you know what's going to suck because it hasn't happened yet, but it will pretty soon, dude. At some point, you're going to be very proud that you can work out harder than the fucking 20-something-year-old dude at the gym pretty soon. It's not there yet because I'm still pretty. I'm doing pretty good. But like, you know, within a 10-year period, I'm going to be looking at them and being like, oh, yeah. I kept up with the fucking 20-something-year-old. And then I'm going to go take a bunch of ibuprofen. Yeah. You know what I mean? God damn it. Whatever, dude. I still have more testosterone than he does. We're going to Young Bird, please. Step right up, all you bearded men and all you bearded ladies. This quads brought to you by Big Top Beer Company, whose all natural beard oil products not only make your beard smell amazing, but feel amazing, too. Their organic essential oil blends transport you to manly places like the mountains, the desert, the sea, and beyond. All while encouraging a lot of beard nuzzling to boo. Buy it for yourself or as a gift for that special bearded someone at bigtopbeardcompany.com. Enter the discount code MIMEPUM for 33% off at checkout. All right, our first question is from Erica Candice, asking about postnatal recovery after a baby, and you've been cleared by your doc. Did you pick this one, Sal? No. The one guy who has no kid in his life. Adam picked it. I want to talk about pregnant ladies. Yeah, Adam's got a thing for pregnant girls. I knew that you guys. You know, every time a pregnant woman, we see what Adam's like, oh my god, they're so hot. That's so weird. He likes that. I got to know. You have a pregnant fetish. I don't know what it is. It's weird. Maybe because there's, I know she's. It does exist. I know she's easy. Oh my god. Bro. What do you mean easy? Or for sure thing. No. Like it works. Hold on. Let me translate. Here's what Adam does. What he's trying to say is he knows she's already had sex. What comes out of his mouth is 10 times more asshole. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. She's not. I know. Just infinitely all the pregnant women. No, that's not true. Fucking asshole. That's not true. Postnatal recovery. She's been, just so you know before, I don't know if Doug put it up there or not, she's been cleared. So it's not like it's, let's just make that clear, right? Yeah. Step number one, you got to be cleared for exercise. The rule number one for me when I would train women after pregnancy, and there's two categories of people that I would train postnatal. One were the people that I trained before and during pregnancy, which is much, much easier, much, and it's actually quite different. Oh yeah. You barely skip a beat with that person. You don't, yeah. I mean, you still have to, you know, you still want to focus on a few things, but somebody who's not worked out and then had a baby and then wants to get into working out, you have to pay much closer attention and be a little bit more careful. But rule number one after having a baby is focus on core stability. Yeah. Focus on activating neuromuscular recruitment. Yeah. It's really that connection that you're seeking initially. It's you want to just regain these kind of functions and get the muscles to respond the way that they need to. Yeah. Because what happens when you, obviously when you have a baby, the baby grows in the uterus and it stretches out all of the muscles of your core and when they're stretched, when muscles are stretched, they're automatically weakened and you can test this out yourself. You could put yourself in a really, really deep stretch and then try to activate that muscle. It's actually quite difficult. In fact, I would recommend not trying to activate it super hard when you're in a deep stretch because you may actually injure yourself. So muscles number one are naturally weakened in this stretched position. So now you're pregnant, you've got this baby growing so your belly is big. All those muscles are stretched out so they're already in a weakened position and you're limited, especially in the third trimester in terms of how you can activate them or at least you can't activate them in any type of full range of motion. Yeah. So you lose connection to those muscles and it ends up stabilizing you a lot during your pregnancy or hip flexors. Yeah. Hip flexors on low back. That's why you get a lot of low back problems during pregnancy. So after you have the baby, you want to reconnect to those muscles and that does not mean you go do a bunch of sit-ups and leg raises. Because you're just going to recruit the muscles that are still connected which are your hip flexors. What you're going to want to do is you're going to want to first focus on activating those muscles that you've lost connection to and then slowly focus on strengthening them through ranges of motion. We actually posted a video on our YouTube channel, it's Mind Pump TV and you can look it up. It's called Hip Flexor Deactivator and it's a movement that I do with anybody who's got hip flexor dominance especially post-pregnancy or post-natal. And it's a great way to kind of get the hip flexors to step out a little bit while activating some of the muscles of the core. And then the second video I recommend you watch is another popular video we have on there is Stomach Vacuums. And vacuums are that's probably one of the first exercises I do with a woman who just had a baby because I'm trying to activate their deep core muscles. The transverse abdominis that pulls in What about the belly breathing that you did with Stephanie too? Belly breathing that's another one where you're kind of getting that diaphragm to fully inflate again because I'm actually really happy you brought that up Adam because when you have a baby obviously when it's growing it's big presses up into the diaphragm and you tend to breathe shallow out of necessity and so you want to change that breathing pattern back to its normal one or feeling like you're not getting a full and as you're sort of going through that process of reactivating and getting the abdominals to respond and going through that exercise that's on the YouTube just instead of focusing on reps and sets and all that kind of stuff really just the intent there is to just really try to squeeze and connect so I recommend more isometric sort of work to just focus down that signal and get it to respond and you know kind of gradually work your way towards reps and getting back into the swing of things for the most part though I feel like a lot of stuff is the same I think there's been a lot of things there's a lot of stuff out there to either scare or intimidate people into like oh you need to do this or oh you need to take that there's a lot of myths too kind of cautionary like being real like specific is like these are like the first sort of items because if you could just start working out but now all of a sudden you're not going to have the support system there to support your spine as well the biggest mistake I see is when women who don't work out have a baby is in this rush exactly to get all the weight off let's talk about that for a second because the reason why I said that was not 100% I agree with the boys like this is important in my experience though I feel like this is what I get is really common as someone who's had a baby and then like you said either one they're in like this hurry like oh my god I have all this baby weight that I've put on and now it's time to get serious the whole time they were in pregnancy they ate like shit they didn't really move and exercise and now they're on this mission to you know rebuild their body and it's like all intensity driven so there's that one extreme and then you have the other people that are you know they have been going like consistently through they've been trained through their pregnancy and they're out of their pregnancy now someone like that it's you can almost just keep on going like you've just if you've done a good job of exercising while you were pregnant which I've trained people literally up into the day they had their baby you can just pick up right where you left off and keep going and you're probably gonna be pretty damn good and there's a lot of scare tactics out there to scare pregnant women away from training and oh don't you don't push too hard don't do this well what you shouldn't do is you shouldn't go any harder than what you were going before so if you're someone who trained pretty consistently and then you get pregnant I don't recommend stopping working out I recommend doing all the pretty much the same stuff you were doing going into your pregnancy listen to your body yeah like if you're doing if you're if all of us you know the biggest thing yeah if you're doing a bunch of Roman chair sit-ups and leg raises and planks and now you're like ooh those hurt me because I have this big belly now you know I'm in my third trimester just stop doing them yeah but your body's incredibly capable throughout most of your pregnancy I mean you can do some you can keep working out pretty much like Adam said to the day you give birth it's so long as you're healthy and you know nothing you know major goes wrong some of the women I've seen do the other ones are still squatting all the way through their pregnancy you know and they come out and they're still squatting you're doing a lot of movements that you still do I just as long as you're doing those yeah and you don't you're not like trying to ramp up your pregnancy which is a do you see that though too like you know oh I'm getting pregnant so I gotta now you know really intensify my workouts like to bounce back two mistakes with with that one is if you're ramping up your intensity from where it was before after you just got pregnant the signal that you're sending your body is stress is up we are now in a new situation a new environment with higher demands on the body and one of your body's last resorts believe it or not in a situation like that is to not complete the pregnancy and there's been cases of this where and this is where the scare tactics come from where a woman will who doesn't work out gets pregnant is super afraid of getting fat and then decides she's gonna run a marathon and then she loses the child or something bad happens or she hemorrhages and gets bed rest well yeah you're telling your body that you just entered into a new stressful situation your body knows that you're pregnant so it's gonna think in your you're kind of you know the baby's a priority but you are a priority as well and your body will make sure that you are okay and if it thinks that the stress is new and too much bad things can happen so don't change anything here's the perfect scenario perfect scenario is this you're already exercising you already have a good you know routine you already fit you're doing everything right then you get pregnant and then you just keep doing what you're doing don't have to change anything listen to your body then you stop when you think you need to a lot of women don't need to up until again like the day the day before they have the baby some women feel like they absolutely are super uncomfortable have to stop a few weeks before have your baby depending on if you had c-section or how your labor went get clearance by your doctor go back to the gym start slow but you will be surprised at how fast you bounce back I've had clients back back bounce back incredibly I mean compared to the average person incredibly quick because they went into it already fit and they went into it with the understanding that there's a process and that they're not going to help with the labor you know strong yeah going into labor so you know and we got to realize something like we always forget that when women got pregnant for most of the human civilization it wasn't like oh my god you're pregnant don't do shit anymore like yeah you had wasn't an option it wasn't an option like you're still you're still you're still hunting and gathering you're still part of the tribe you're still you might have another child you still have to stay you know moving and increases your odds of successful you know labor it wasn't like it is you know and now we're better at it now we tell women keep moving but it wasn't that long like when we were born like around the you know the 70s and 80s even then they were telling women like relax don't move the only way they delivered babies were women were on their back now you know they're always going to talk about that yeah because I give my wife a lot of credit she did we had a doula actually come with us to kind of help with the process and that really helped me to kind of help coach and you know she actually was able to do a lot more what did you call it a doula doula what is that it's like a person who it's almost like a nurse but their expertise is in delivery that's all they do is that an acronym for something that's a good idea it's a thing I believe yeah one of her friends was one and offered to be that for us really it just helps did you guys go to the hospital though right did you do the whole epidural thing no wow you went to both yeah without an epidural and that's not like shaming any other women that do that or anything but I just I totally respected that because that was something she had in her mindset that she wasn't going to do and then even though certain points it was like like she still didn't do it and tried all these different positions to help it move it along and it worked you know it was like very very unconventional let's just say yeah exercise being fit eating right will decrease your chance I don't know what the number is but it's a significant statistical difference in terms of your odds of needing a C-section so if you're fit healthy you know you're eating right moving you're not you know bed rest and all these different things the odds that you'll need a C-section are much slower and you want this obviously C-section can be a pain in the ass to recover from if you have more children after that it's getting more difficult to find doctors that will actually deliver a second or third child after you've had a C-section so they don't do V-backs as much anymore what they're called and there is some evidence suggesting it's pretty strong that children who are born through a higher risk of allergies food allergies food intolerances and auto immune issues because they're not exposed to the vaginal bacteria yeah now I will say there was one caveat they did find there is some bacteria in utero as well so it's not completely sterile but still those studies do show that being you know born vaginally is probably you know better if you can do it that way you know the epidural too if you know the recovery for that is a bit longer than if not so you know like Courtney was kind of describing it to me but basically like yeah it puts you out like you mean your recovery time like extends a bit you know with that if I had to recommend a program to someone I would say a pre-phase of maps anabolic coupled with with maps prime perfect that's how I would start yeah that'd be a perfect that'd be the perfect routine or maps anywhere minus the amp sessions there you go if you don't want to go to the gym Mark Wolz is asking on your thoughts about best deadlift grips so for for me this is a great question because I love deadlifting I love pulling and for years I trained I used an alternate grip your standard powerlifting you know one hand supinated one hand pronated grip when deadlifting very heavy the problem with this was that I got really really good or really comfortable I should say training the recruitment pattern to where my right hand was supinated and my left hand was pronated so it wasn't very often that I would pronate my right hand and supinate my left hand so it ended up being my that was like my default heavy grip and so what I would do is I'd go up to 315 with a double overhand grip and then anything over 315 I'd alternate my grip and then the right hand would supinate and and that would be how I'd pull as a result I'd started I'd developed some imbalances in my back which I could tell and I could tell because visually and mechanically or just one of the other actually both so when I would get a massage the person that would massage me said well it looks like one you know like this part of your back seems more tense or a little thicker and I was like well that's kind of weird and then I would like come up go up against the wall I put my back up against the wall you know round my shoulders and then I'd notice that there was a little discrepancy between the two sides one side developed a little bit more a little bit more because of the grip and you do take off the bar takes off a little differently that way it's very very subtle but if you constantly lift this way that can happen and then the second thing is when I would go to try to alternate my grip I'd get really fucking sore in my right pronator terrace it would almost injure it and it was all because I wasn't used to pulling heavy weight with my hand that position and it wasn't that long ago it was maybe I don't know it's only been about a year or so maybe a little less and I said that's it like I'm not going to pull like this anymore and at first I thought I said I'm just going to alternate and go the other way and then I said you know what I'm going to try and get really good at a hook grip because a hook grip is both hands over hand they're both the same I don't have to keep track of how often I'm doing one side versus the other and it took me a long time and I'm almost at the point where I can hold on to as much weight with a hook grip Oh really you're there? Yeah as I can with an alternate grip It takes a long time to develop I fucking hated it If you get good at it, Olympic lifters pull tremendous amounts of weight with a hook grip Lane Norton is a super strong dead lifter he uses a hook grip He's a hook grip lifter He's been hook gripping for a long time If you get really good at it just as much weight with a hook grip it just sucks it just takes time to get used to so my personal opinion the best grip hook grip however give it some time and you know get your body used to doing it because at first it hurts your thumbs and then you can't hold on as long and you're going to get sore and your pronator tear is and all kinds of different things I don't think you're going to hear any debate from any of us that that is by far the best The only thing I will say is that what sucks if you've been lifting the other ways for a very long time you're regressing you have to regress a lot for a while I went on a kick from the hook grip for a little bit and I just got frustrated with it I was just like God it hurts my hands it's just not comfortable and then I felt like it was just hindering the rest of my workout so fuck yeah dude it's definitely superior though there's no doubt over over is better for sure when you think about it biomechanically when you supinate your hand like that you're going to activate the lat more on that side that's just a fact that's what it's partially responsible for as soon as you internally rotate like that the lats are going to get activated more not to mention the internal external rotators of the humerus the infraspinatus and supraspinatus muscles for example and some of the other muscles that are involved internally actually rotate so if you're in this position sure because some people are going to say well you're not rotating you're not actively rotating internally you don't have to be you're isometrically isometrically and so what you're doing is you're getting that muscle really strong at pulling heavy weight in that shortened position on one side and in the length and length in position on the other side that is a small subtle difference and you're not going to notice it but if you do it for months and years load increases yeah and like repetitive volume so and I have this is where and it reminds me way back when when we first started talking about this and I really got rid of my wraps because of you and I have to admit now that like I would reintroduce wraps with a double overhand grip I think is superior to a power grip now for competing reasons you can't like if you're a competitor you don't get to use wraps in a competition like you got to go barehanded so I understand the benefits of somebody who's going to be competing but I'm not ever as of right now I have no plans of doing a powerlifting meet but I do like to go really heavy and my grip does become limiting at a certain point and so in my opinion once you get to a certain point I think a double over with wraps would be more superior to the average lifter than somebody who goes over under I'll tell you why I disagree to that because we have now several studies that demonstrate that using wrist wraps promotes different recruitment patterns all the way up in the shoulder and so what you're doing is you're trading one bad recruitment pattern for another now it may be more asymmetric if you constantly use the same grip the constantly use the same over under grip but by using wraps you are changing the recruitment patterns all the way up in the shoulder and they're the kind of recruitment patterns that promote shoulder dysfunction you can argue that same thing with the over under you could argue the same thing so I don't think it's better or worse I disagree this is where I disagree though being somebody who has actually done it for a long period both ways and has seen the imbalances that they have caused I have never had as many imbalances in my shoulder and my back as I start as much as I have from heavy lifting over under I used to use wraps all the time but you're going from one of the I think what's the best is hook grip we agree we all agree on that if you can train yourself if you have the discipline to do a hook grip I agree 100% with you and then after hook grip then would just be a regular over over over grip but then I would argue that I would rather do and you will see me now use straps with both hands over before I go into a power grip why not develop or keep wraps well then that would be ideal but I'm just going to keep it real that I probably won't and if I probably won't I would choose with the over under and that's because why did you stop with the hook because it was driving me crazy I didn't like it, it wasn't comfortable I wasn't dead lifting enough it's not a sport for me to care that much so I mean it's just like squatting with squat shoes or weight belt we can sit here talk circles all day long about it's not ideal but at the end of the day people are still going to utilize these tools I guess it depends what you're looking at if your goal is to just lift as much weight I guess use wrist wraps if your goal is to be able to connect the entire chain and be able to hold on the weight and lift it and stabilize it then you'd want no wraps and you'd want double overhand grip and you'd want to develop that as much as possible absolutely we're all on the same page I'm just sharing my experience from being somebody who's actually now applied all of those methods and the only one that I didn't go for a very long time is the overhand with the hook grip would be the superior one if I was to discipline my ass to keep going to regress to go through all that to work my way back to lifting with that but I'll tell you now if you catch me pulling really heavy weight you'll find me probably use the wraps which I haven't even done so just say that is like you know whatever but I would what I have done to myself by doing it a heavy over under grip I have caused more dysfunction in my shoulder yeah well yeah for most of the time I mean I tried to go for a while where I switched the other way you just found your strong side if I was chasing PRs and that's really what I was trying to lift I was going to go with what felt the most comfortable and dominant a lot of that is ego based for me it's already it's a weak lift for me I don't necessarily chime in with you guys but I'll try just to go double overhand and then if I don't get any heavier that grip then I'm done because you do a lot of power movements although you're not lifting as much as you are on your deadlifting you're having to generate speed which requires a lot of grip you don't use a hook grip on that? not bad are there any power lifters or olympic lifters that don't even use a hook grip and actually are pulling there's none that I know of not sure about that they're all hook olympic lifting hook grip is like part of the protocol with olympic lifting I wouldn't mind developing it it would help for sure I think we could all agree on that there's no doubt the hook grip for sure over over and then over over and then where maybe we disagree a little bit is the wraps versus the over under and I'm just speaking from experience that being a guy that's done both for long periods of time the wraps I did with the over under Lindsay Adair 23 what is the biggest mistake you see new trainers making and what were your mistakes as a new trainer? number one I think and I believe it's still common goes all the way back to when we trained and it drives me crazy to see is intensity driven workouts a lack of attention to detail and movement too much emphasis on can I come up with the most creative you know back breaker workout for my clients to this day I go to the gym and it's the thing I just and you know it's like watching a slow train wreck for me I just can't look away it's none of my business to come over I would never totally check a trainer in front of their client that's just I would never do that but I cringe I watch these trainers and it's like this it is hard and where I have patience to is I went through that you got to remember that you put yourself in there because we were there at one point we were right and there was definitely a culture around that within gyms is this you know who's got the most creative workout and creative workouts do not always and very rarely equal the most effective I literally just had this conversation last week because I went to go work out you know where I go work out I don't want to call it out just in case they're listening but you see there's this group of women and they take the same they take this super high intensity workout driven class every morning by this one trainer and I can pick them out now I've been doing this long enough to where I can see and it's it's you see this in men and women but more often women than men will end up in this category for some reason I think it's just because women tend to beat themselves up more than men tend to but these women come in mid 40s maybe 50 maybe late 30s and you can tell their adrenal fatigue they're totally adrenal fatigue like their bodies are fucking broken down they don't get a lot of sleep probably because they have small kids or they work a lot they come in they are they're not overweight but they're definitely definitely loose because they haven't developed a lot of muscle or maybe better said they're not obese but they're overweight most of them are pretty yeah they're like it's like it's like this this look and I can I know you guys can see it too like you can tell I know what you're describing and they come in and they've got the they're tired they've got the bags into their eyes they're they're all coming in and they work out and the trainer beats them the beats the fuck out of them and they're all just trying as hard as they can and he's yelling at them like go go go go go and they're doing these sprints on the cardio and they're doing machines and circuits and they're punching a bag and they're doing all this crazy stuff and you can see that like first of all their form is there is no form like it's it's all about moving the weight it's all about you know pedaling the bike it's all about just throwing my fist into the bag like they're not even punching the bag they're just moving their hands and they're and they're fucking dying momentum what's keeping these poor women moving is their total like they're all these grinders like they're so like I'm gonna keep doing this and I'm just gonna keep working at I'm gonna keep grinding and and they've been doing it for a long time I've been working out at this place now for over a year well they all same women they also did they also connect that like endorphin release of that they get post workout to like I feel better or I feel accomplished there's a short term yeah it's a very short term feeling that they and that's where I think how they get stuck here even if you're somebody who listens like there's somebody right now 100% the amount of people that listen to this show 100% there's someone listening to this right now it's fucking you okay you were that person you were that person and the reason why you do not you you're like don't you're like fucking tuning this out right now is because you have connected that feeling that sweat feeling and that feeling of accomplishment and the endorphin rush that you get for from pushing the body like that and so therefore you justify it dude it was it's it was horrible I was just watching the show and sweaty Betty syndrome talking to you they were doing squats with a barbell as part of their circuit and they're I mean they're fucking beat they were beat when they walked in they were already exhausted when they walked in this is like six up in the morning they're doing squats and they're fucking everywhere their knees are going everywhere I mean Jessica's like oh my god she goes maybe we should go stand next to them in case one of them goes down knees are going all over the place they're adding weight the trainers just yelling at them like keep going you got to keep going and and it's like the it's horrible and the worst part about it is these women are trapped I'll tell you why they're trapped they know instinctively that the second they fucking stop they're going to gain a shit blow up they're going to gain a shit ton of weight they're going to binge like crazy because their body is in such horrible stress state and these trainers they don't know any better and they continue to push them because what they do and I did this to I did this when I first became a trainer you see this client and in your thought all your thinking is I know why you're not getting leaner and why you're feeling like this because you're not eating as good as you should you're not doing what I'm telling you and you're not working out as hard or as consistently as I'm effort isn't there you know it's like it's like a parent that like beats their children and they justify it because they they've seen results or they because they got beat when they were kid now they're quiet they exactly right exactly no seriously right it's like it's like a kid they got beat turned out to be a good kid right and successful in life and says I'm going to beat my kids because I was beat and so that's the mentality is like I'm going to beat I got in shape because I beat myself up to get in shape and I have this discipline I'm going to try and install that same thing in these people and what we're finding out is you know what beating kids is probably the not the best way to do it just because some of a good strategy just because some of them turn out alright just like the same thing goes for beating your clients like just because you got clients and listen they turn into ray rice that's just because you got some people in shape by doing that doesn't mean it's the most effective way to do it I feel so bad one of them even is really nice and comes and says hi to us and I'm looking at her and I can see the signs all the signs of excessive stress on her body you know the the looseness of her body the her face just looks drawn she's got even some of the the the the you'll see in women when they you'll see some anorexics too but in women who push themselves so hard they'll get this like micro fine you know kind of hair on their face or on their arms it's a stress response and they look horrible they're drinking coffee they're trying to stimulate their body to pick up even more and I'm and I just want to say something in the worst part is this is the worst part here is if I take them aside and set and talk to them myself the advice I'm going to give them they're not going to listen to because my advice would be hey listen here's what you need to do you need to stop coming to the gym five days a week and beating yourself up I'm going to want you to come work out two days a week you're going to lift weights real basic we're not going to go to failure we're going to build up some strength I want you to get more sleep I want you to start drinking chamomile at night and we're going to eliminate coffee for a little while you're going to start doing meditation and it's going to take us like six months before your body starts to get back on track none of them will fucking listen to me no one's going to want to do but this is easily the biggest mistake trainers do and what you're doing is you are destroying your clients and here's a good sign by the way that you're that you're making this mistake that you have a high turnover rate your trainer that gets a client beats them up and they're super motivated for the first three to six months and they're coming every workout and the next thing you know they're missing workouts and next thing you know they're not coming anymore and you got to find more clients and you're thinking to yourself oh people are so unmotivated oh I need to just keep getting clients why can't people stick to my routine it's because you're beating them up and you're a shitty trainer the reality is when people are hiring you you should have a much higher stick rate people will stay with you because they feel good and if you're a client and if you're someone right now listening who works out and you're not a trainer working out should make you feel good you should not wake up feeling exhausted you should not leave your workout feeling like you're dreading the day like you just went through boot camp like literal boot camp you should feel good you should feel centered you should not have hot flashes and cold flashes you should not have issues with your sleep you should feel fucking balanced and amazing and if you're not examine your workout and I guarantee a lot of you it's because you're going to work second part to this it was about us what was your biggest mistake as a trainer that was it for me for sure I went too hard 100% I don't know if you could have a bigger one than that I think when I read this question initially I thought what we just talked about and then I thought from the business side maybe we could visit that for a second one of the biggest mistakes I see trainers make from a business side to build a business is they don't believe in their own value and this happens with new trainers all the time like I would get a trainer on board they get competitive with their prices well they look at the prices and they're like well 90 a session can I charge 60 or can I go less that feels like a lot trainers instinctively I think they'd like to train but they don't like to sell they feel like they're asking for money is not right or maybe they're not worth it the problem is that there's a lot of trainers like that so therefore the customer will have that impression already so it's like the expectation is already at that level whereas you need to pull yourself out of that mentality and understand that you know you're very valuable you just have to present it in that way and be confident in it don't be afraid to ask for the sale don't be afraid to tell people that it costs something there's like this huge fear among trainers I don't know if I can ask them to buy training for me or whatever say why that's your job all right before I get to this next question we do have Wim Hof here yeah we got to bring it up we have the Wim Hof certification coming up what's the date for that Doug let's get our 29th and 30th here at Mind Pump Studios so April 29th and 30th I don't know if you guys haven't heard of Wim Hof the Wim Hof breathing method it is like the Iceman it's fucking exploding it is absolutely exploding the Wim Hof methods have been adopted by the military at the highest levels it's being utilized by top executives in Fortune 500 companies it's a very effective way of getting your body to improve its peak performance mental and physical performance it's quite legit some of the you know we obviously here at Mind Pump have the ability to meet with and talk to some of these some incredible athletes and it's like a year and a half ago I kind of heard of the breathing methods now it's like everybody is doing it and talking about it have you seen that show Stan Lee's Superhuman yeah he was on there it's just because he's like he's figured out this way to you know tap into to breathing to really get connected to the body on a level that's like a lot of people didn't even know he could get to and he just has done superhuman feats because you know like he's just so in tune with that and like that's why you know like and they're studying him in a lab in science and it's just very fascinating I highly recommend well I'm fascinated with what it's doing for the immune system too like that's what's really really fascinating. That's some interesting shit isn't it? Yeah that's to me is what it's really really cool. What they're finding with some of these breathing methods is your people who are really good at it and practice it are becoming able or at least are able enough to control to some degree the automatic systems of the body like the things that we don't we take for granted like your heart beating your body temperature all that stuff things that your body automatically does people at the highest level of this type of training are able to lower temperature increase their body temperature slow the heart rate down on command yeah very very interesting stuff and how do people register they just go to our page yeah go to the event calendar on the page and click on the Wim Hof MindPlumpMedia.com excellent that is correct next question all right our next question is J2264 what is the key to being happy well let me tell you yeah right got it you know it's funny Katrina and I had a literally last night and I love this because I told you guys that we've met her and I like we every month I'm reading like my own book that I'm going on then we choose a book that we're reading together and it always promotes all this great dialogue right so afterwards she's at she asks this question right she goes um you know what does a perfect day look like for you and I said like I don't know like uh you know I don't think I would actually want that and I'm like what do you mean by that and she's like well you know like if this was a perfect day like you know the day that you would want to have over and over and over again I said well I think that just did I think I think the perfect day is imperfect right I think that's part of what that drives us and that's all of this is embracing the challenges and the difficulties and overcoming those is what makes things so awesome and if it was so perfect that nothing bad happened and everything went smooth if that just kept happening every single day then really it would get boring really fast so what does perfect look like and would you really want that is what I would I would challenge you you know what that reminds me you just said you guys ever watched the twilight zone remember that that show fucking awesome by the way super old way older than me great TV series with some great twists in it there was one episode where there was a guy in the beginning he's a bank robber and then he's going to shoot out with these police officers and then they kill him and then he pops up and he's in like this beautiful hotel room and then this like guy walks in the room was wearing this white suit and kind of looks like an angel almost but he's just wearing a suit and he's like hey welcome he goes you know welcome and he goes where am I and he goes well I mean where do you think you are and he goes oh my god he goes this must be heaven he goes well what do I do and the guy goes you can do whatever you want like do whatever you want and so this guy he goes in gambles and every hand he wins he goes and eats and he never gains a pound like every woman he talks to is attracted to him and he's like oh my god heaven is awesome and then they fast forward like five or ten years later he's over it and he's fucking miserable he's so so miserable and he calls the angel back and he goes fucking changes I hate this like I can't this can't be not reality because this can't be what heaven is like and then the angel looks at him and says holy this was heaven there's a fucking amazing episode utopia right like that was the whole matrix thing like they had to like restructure the matrix because it didn't work yeah you know this is a question that people there's books written on it you know it's been examined by some you know monks and you know motivational speakers and it's it's one of those like key human questions you know like why are we here how do I what's the key to be happy you know stuff I for me this is a very personal question because the last five years have been so challenging just beyond comprehension I had you know at the time you know when I was married my wife had a horrible health situation happen where she almost passed away she had a her appendix ruptured and you know she had to be choosing the hospital for like ten days and then right after that someone very very close to me got diagnosed with cancer and then they fought it and I was really intricately involved in that whole process of fighting the cancer watching this person deteriorate then they passed away then I got divorced and going through that whole process and it was this was a this is something that was that I constantly you know ask myself like what it first of all what's the key to being happy and then number two like what is happiness and for me and I don't know the answer so I'm not pertaining to answer at all but what helped me a lot was I was able one of them was that I really realized that there were physical feelings of anxiety depression paranoia happiness and the emotional feelings that are to those things and they're all they can all be connected so what I mean by that is think of anxiety let's just talk about anxiety for a second you can you can have like anxious thoughts and worries in your mind right you can also have physical symptoms of anxiety like I could give you a drug that I could give you speed or something that speeds up your heart makes your hand sweat and gives you the physical sensations of anxiety now the physical sensations of anxiety are also very similar to the same sensations you get when you're excited happy or in love but they're also the same feelings you get similar feelings you get when you're stressed or worried or anxious and so I started to think to myself you know and because I'm in fitness this was easy for me to put this together I am going to make sure that I have the physical feelings of happiness so I'm going to get that out of the way because the physical feelings of sad depression you know physically feeling shitty can easily make you feel emotionally shitty like eating shitty food not moving not getting sunshine not getting good sleep those will make you physically feel bad which then can feed the whole emotional mental component and then it becomes this whole cycle right now you feel depressed emotionally on top of physically feeling depressed now you don't want to move even more and you feed into it and you get into this whole cycle so number one is do all the things that are easy and I don't mean easy in the sense that they're like they're easy like you can do and they're simple like eat right exercise get sunshine get good sleep have good relationships with people make sure that your physical body which is the filter for a lot of stuff is feeling good then you all you really have to deal with is the emotional mental component and that is was a much more difficult for me to deal with and more recently I've changed the question so I used to ask myself you know how can I like what can I do to make sure I'm happy all the time like how can I feel happy and content all the time and I change that because I think there's a mistake there I don't think you're supposed to be happy all the time I think that that's false I think that's I was gonna bring that up yeah I don't think you're supposed to be happy I think what you're what's the mistake a lot of people have these days that I mean that's that's the optimal state that everybody like emotionally like they want to be in a happy state right yeah you can't be happy and joyful all the time that's that's a first of all if you're always joyful then you're not joyful because joy and happiness only gonna diminish the value well what I mean by that it only exists because you understand that it's a it's a state of mind that's in contrast to the opposite yeah just like you know what the color group you know you know what black is because you know what light is you know what happy is because you know what sad is if you never knew sadness you would never know happiness that's number one number two to really feel I guess good about your life and it doesn't mean happy but just feel good the key I think at least what I'm starting to find is I have to as I'm looking for meaning yeah what's the meaning it's all purpose-based that's it that's how I feel like I feel like to achieve happiness like I'm always striving to feed into my purpose and whether that's you know doing things for other people which I know I get a reward from that as far as like the feeling of happy when I can see people around me that are happy and their emotional state is is good and you know that that definitely will affect me personally but the thing is you know there's times where people hurt and there's times where you know shit doesn't go your way and like you have to have resiliency and you have to be able to feel different feelings but you the ability to be able to channel yourself and regroup and then and then find your way back to happy like I think that's the important a lesson in this is that there's a way to mentally recreate that and to get back to that that optimal state but I mean it's like training it's like eating it's like it's like everything else like it you can't just do the same thing you can't operate on the same mode all the time that's just not reality well think about it this way like if you're if you're just like focus like I need to be happy all the time that's my goal in life to be happy because that's what people say right what's your goal in life to be happy what happens when something bad happens because it will life isn't perfect for anybody I don't care even the richest people the people who think have everything they've got challenges too right there there it's their challenges they might not be your challenges but it's theirs what happens when you have a day where shit goes wrong well now you're not happy and now you feel even worse because you're not happy like I shouldn't feel sad I need to feel happy how can I make myself feel happy and you're constantly chasing this feeling that really is just a state of being a human now flip that what if I was searching for meaning now when something bad happens I lose a loved one I get sick I get injured I lose my job you know divorce whatever I understand I'm not going to be happy but I'm looking for meaning in it meaning in it you know what can I get from this how can I grow from this what can I learn from this what what does this mean for me look for meaning in things and then you'll find that life becomes it just becomes different it becomes less I guess less challenging is the word but I don't even like to use that because it's always challenging right yeah so meaning that's my answer there you go there's a lot of answer for somebody who said he wasn't very certain about it you know it changes right I um it's a deep question I'm going to have to disagree a little bit here um now first of all this is I love this shit I mean I love talking about ego perspective philosophy like um I think we can be happy I think we can be happy all the time and I think the key to that is perspective and finding the silver lining I think yeah it's finding meaning it sounds like yeah it's perspective right um so is that the same thing kind of you you you danced around it left or right and uh gave a lot of certainties in there but I definitely think that um you can be happy and I think that's something that um I think we're always striving to do this and I think it's very challenging I think Katrina is amazing at this it's part of why she makes an incredible partner for me because I I still am very emotional and let things react to things that seem devastating to me right a death in the family how can you find happiness in that Adam like how can you find happiness in so and so close you dying or how can you find happiness in losing a job or you know getting fired or all these things that happen in life and I absolutely think you can I think in and everything that seems so daunting or stressful or heartbreaking to us there is there is good that can come of it and I think learning to find that right away is the real challenge and I think some of us that uh that try to practice this or or pay attention to this ultimately find that and let's let's use your divorce for an example like you you bring up that being like one of the most probably you've been through probably one of the most challenging times you've ever been in the last year right I think you would agree with that and the only real difference between me and you the day after that all happened is your mindset nothing physically in fact I bet you you've really think about it like it's a lot of things good have came of course come from that of course and we sometimes are blinded by by self and our ego and when we get hit with these things our ego starts to tell us like oh my god I failed as a father oh my god I'm not good enough oh my god like all these things but in reality it's like what if you say like oh my god this is going to be an incredible opportunity oh my god like my life is going to get so much better today oh my god like what if you flipped it on its head when we had scenarios like that and I think that's what we're all trying to get at and we're trying to get to that level and I think it requires incredible perspective I think it requires incredible self-awareness and you will always be battling your ego in this situation and and I think happiness is defined differently by everybody I think that your level of it is is really truly up to you like you could be the happiest person in life and you do not need to do anything different but change your perspective but it's okay to be sad I think you know what I mean like it's okay to be angry it's okay to have like these other emotions attached it's just it's all on how you react right there's a reason why those emotions exist right and you know I tell you what you know we had Justin Ren in here and he talked about you know working with the um with the pygmies and how he was trying to explain his depression to them and how he wanted to commit suicide and it was it wasn't that they didn't understand them like they were thinking like oh you should be happy that doesn't make sense they didn't understand the concept it was baffling to them and I've actually read about this and heard about this many many times at how in many of these you know what we consider primitive societies they don't experience things like depression at least not in our terminology right they don't experience these anxieties and depressions and fears in the same ways that we do and you know you got to ask yourself why I'm sure there's a modern living component I'm sure there's a we focus on so many different things at what time you know type component but I also think that there's this mentality that we've attached to modern western life where we're constantly telling people to be happy like you have to be happy everything's got to be great all the time rather than saying there's meaning in things and learn from things and grow from things and I really do think Adam what you're saying is it really another way of saying that is when something bad happens you look at it and you grow from it and what is the meaning and you know absolutely going to react to it because I think perspective when you do that I think when you do that it changes what that particular situation then means to you rather than this horrible thing just happened to me wow I just got so sick that you know I wasn't able to work out for three months and I can't do any or maybe even something devastating like you know I lost a limb in a car accident or I'm paralyzed like and you like you could look at me like this horrible thing just happened to me or you can say okay this horrible thing happened to me what can I well how can I grow from this and what does this mean for me and how can I change things it's interesting there's a story of was it that guy that rock climber he's the amputee that rock climbs you watch his interviews and it's like it's all about meaning for him you know what I mean it's all about like he doesn't look at himself and think he's at a disadvantage he realizes there's a disadvantage in some cases right but he also says that it's an advantage in many other cases and more and more when you're talking to these kinds of things I don't think I don't think you should go to the person that has everything and ask them what the secret to happiness is I think you should go to the person who in your eyes has nothing but seems to be happy yeah they seem to be I mean that's to me the the pygmy story is a great example of what I was saying with perspective is the reason why they couldn't connect with him about why he would kill himself is because from from their perspective every day is a struggle to live so why would you ever think about taking a life that you're fighting for every day so that's their perspective and for him he what's our perspective I get up in the morning I turn on my Instagram and it's the guy with the fast car and the cool chicks and the bikinis and the throwing money up in the air and all the traveling all over the world and like that's my perspective of what happiness is and you have strange is that right that's why I just did a post not that long ago about and that's why I know sometimes my some of my posts don't get likes because it's in my head and when I put it out I do not the best at fucking articulating what I'm trying to say but that that's what I meant by detachment and perspective is learning to detach yourself from your fucking little bubble and and have perspective on your life and when you learn to do that I believe that happiness will follow and I think that's what we're all trying to do and we it's in our society it's harder than ever because of all the distractions that we have with being present and the pygmy was a perfect example of somebody they don't have any of those distractions and they solely are focused on survival therefore somebody that would take a lot their own life seems so counterproductive to what they thrive for every day. It's interesting because it's like you're you base your own value and worth on how on other people you look at other people and you compare and that will tell you if you're doing you know that you'll think to yourself like oh I'm doing good or I'm doing bad based on these other people but the reality is if I go back if I just go back you know 100 years 150 years and take a person from there and put them in the average you know put them in middle-class America they would be like wow this is utopia like are you kidding me you have heat and cool on demand I have food that I can eat whenever I want I have entertained by your phone in your hand at all times it would be ridiculous but you know here's a question I want to ask you guys what is your definition what is feeling happy mean because I think when people think happy they think joy like oh my god I'm so happy I started kind of redefining it a little bit because that does exist too right where you're joyful like oh I just won the lottery that would be fucking joy for me it's like I feel filled yes peace right I'm like I guess it's the absence of fear and stress and anxiety like for me it's I feel filled because I know I've tapped in and I've honed in on you know purpose and meaning and like I get up in the morning and I have other people counting on me and I'm hitting my marks and I'm doing things you know in the right order and things are kind of playing out the way that you know I feel like I wanted this to go and that fills me up and then I get to higher highs and then I kind of level out but yeah joy is definitely that's I feel like joy should be more sporadic to where it's like oh wow like you just get really charged yeah I mean the same for me it's that feeling of like peace you know like you feel I don't sense the wrong word I guess filled would probably well the reason the reason why they're all wrong words is because they're words dude they're made up fucking words to explain a feeling exactly like let's be fucking honest here we can say wrong word dude we can sit around this campfire all day and fucking talk about what's more right or who's more at the and I think it's just like I said it's just it's simpler than that it's like there's happiness in everything even the most challenging worst day of your life there's happiness within it you're alive I mean you could deduce it down to that there's a million ways you can right and I think trying to put a label on it is the first mistake I think just dead you're not happy find the you are happy find the silver line and everything find the silver lining everything to touch yourself have better perspective it's funny to because the statistics will show that people who are and people laugh whenever these these numbers come out men who are married live longer than men who are single men who have children live longer than men who don't and people say well how the fuck is that possible because marriage and children is like some of the most kill with me yeah but I think it might be that I think and you have purpose and people who go to create that without children without a marriage if you know exactly I just gotta be more active about it happens for you exactly and I think you know people who go to church regularly tend to live longer and be healthy or two they tapped into the meaning one of the things in fact when they do these big studies on the blue zones where you know areas where people live disproportionately longer than than everywhere else in the world one of the key things they find in common with all these areas of the world is that they have very good close social networks and they all have a sense of purpose that's literally maybe that's what it says maybe that's a really good word for right the purpose I like purpose there because I feel like in every bad situation every good there's you have a purpose within that right like there and you can throw me any devastating thing that could have possibly happened to you and the purpose of it yeah what is the purpose of it where's your purpose so I mean I think there's I don't know you could go around all day long on words with this shit but I purpose I think that's I think too often people try and define it try and seek for it when it's right in your fucking face I mean it's in its happiness is in front of you every single day you just choose to accept it or not mm-hmm listen go to mine pump media calm enroll in 30 days of coaching it's still free so what happens here here's what happens every single day you get an email with a subject whether it's fat protein carbs whether it's mobility strength it could be you know wellness meditation we cover that subject and then we link you to podcast episodes that we've covered that subject in detail and we time stamp them so you know for minute 5 you know 37 to don't mushroom stamp them 15 yeah you get you you that's when we talk about that particular subject it's absolutely free you just go to mine pump 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