 Okay. All right. Welcome, everyone. My name is Angela. I work for the town of Amherst. This meeting is being recorded and will soon be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel. At this time, I would like to recognize the chair of the cultural council, Terri Holt. Terri, I will make you the host and I wish everyone a good meeting. Thank you, Angela. Thanks, Angela. Hello, everybody, and we have a guest. Hello, Madeline. Welcome. Madeline Greenberg is here as well. She's welcome to chime in whenever she likes. I'm going to read our full spiel here. In light of the ongoing COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak, Governor Baker issued an emergency order on March 12, 2020, allowing public bodies greater flexibility and utilizing technology and the conduct of meetings under the open meeting law. And here we are. Hopefully we're coming to the end of this. And so we're looking forward to having a public meeting soon, which we'll talk about later. So you all have a agenda in front of you, probably. This is a special meeting. So regular rules don't really apply. So we don't have to approve the minutes until the next meeting. So we'll be doing that on the April 3 meeting. And all business regarding shows, exhibits, etc. We'll also be talking about that on April 3. So this is going to be a brief meeting. I don't want to take all of your time since I'll also be seeing you all April 3. So thank you for being here. I'd like to possibly share my screen if I can get this to work. I'm sure I can. This one share. All right, you all see what I'm seeing. All right. This is what dare is going to be doing. Water lines. She just told us she's doing something in Somerville Somerville Museum. Very exciting. Congratulations, Tara. Thanks. Okay. Is there anybody would like to take the meeting the minutes today Jim cannot make it today. I have a form you can use that should be just to kind of a fill in the blank pretty easy job if anybody is up for it. I can do it. So is looking for an agenda but I couldn't find it. I'm going to send this I'm going to put this in the chat. Okay. I can figure out how to do that. Just one minute. Oh, there it is. Okay. I'm putting this in the chat. You can open that and that is just a link to a template. That should work. Did you get that. There should be just to kind of fill in should be pretty simple, I hope. Oh wait, sorry. I lost you all very much. So, first things first, we're going to have a roll call because that is supposedly what we're supposed to be doing at every meeting. So if you are here, please raise your hand. Actually, no, please speak out loud that you're here by saying, I, or, hey, here, whatever you want to say. Robert Braden. Here. Great. Michelle Mikey cutting here. Marie Friedman. Here. Harry Holt, I am here. Dara we're wire wire. I'm sorry, Dara. And James student is not here today so. So I called this meeting to order the chair report is very simple. This meeting is a special meeting to consider this making a public proposal that we've been working on in collaboration with Gabriel Gould executive director. Wait, can you slow down for one second because I can't get into this document. I've got this all written down so this should be, you don't have to type this all I have this all in here so this should be real simple for you. Okay. I have the link I just can't sign up can't get into the Google. Let me make sure. Okay, it's anyone with links should hold on one second. Let me make sure I've got this right. Okay, try that again. Okay. It should work now. Sorry. Let me try again. Technology. Well, so maybe I can let you know that Angela told me she's going to be making the she's going to be promoting the call for new commissioners coming up soon is going to go out on the downtown bulletin board bulletin the Gazette and on notify me. And so she's going to send me a link and I'm going to be sharing that on our Facebook page as well so we can get some folks in here. All right. All right, Laura you ready to go. I think let's see if I can type. You are. Yes, now I can type in there. Okay, so I'm going to read this again. The meeting's a special meeting to consider the proposal for making a public with big thanks to Gabriel rule, who has been helping us on request by the time manager. As such other commission matters will be discussed at the next regular meeting commission. Sorry, the next regular monthly commission meeting schedule for Monday, April 3rd is 6pm. So Gabriel could be at that meeting and she says yes so she is going to be on the agenda for April 3rd. And so she can kind of go through with us what the next steps are to promote this to make this making it public public and get this out into the world. My lovely wife just brought me to you. So I look forward to her being here so she can walk us through what the next steps are we're going to be having a big promotion and push and we are not in charge of that she will be in charge of that. Thank all the gods. And thank Gabriel. So I sent you earlier today the application I don't know if you all got a chance to take a look at it, but I thought we just go through it together. Okay. This is what we're going to be kind of voting on today to just to prove to that we're all on the same page going forward. I'm sorry Jim couldn't be here, but we'll hear from him I'm sure on this. So this is what it looks like if you from my side from the. This isn't the, the, if you're feeling the sounds that look a little different of course so I do I wanted to see this version so you can see all of it. So I'm going to be long is that okay. Okay. The embers public art commission and Amherst business improvement district and the New England Foundation for the arts invite you to fill out this application for a $10,000 grant for one public art commission as part of the making a public project to create a temporary or so many permanent artwork that recognizes the experience and culture of the black indigenous and people of color and Amherst for installation and Amherst Kendrick park. And as part of a group, please list the primary context information below at the bottom of the first section please list additional artist names applications that do not include a primary context information will not be considered. If you need help with this application or have any questions please contact Daniel Gould with the Amherst business improvement district via email. We have her email and phone number. Okay, so we'll walk through it real quick if you'll notice the things that are mandatory. The things have to be filled out or else this form will not progress. So we have to have basic information so working on this application with neffa we learned quite a bit about how to put out a call for art and a digital application. And to make it equitable and that was a really big lesson for me because I'm, I work with applications, these kinds of make appeals before like putting out calls for art. I feel like we haven't opened it enough for people of all abilities and etc and I think this is this is really a great. This is a great lesson for me. So I hope you all agree. So more than one artist we this person will be applying for this a primary contact and then the list the artists names below so we'll have everyone's names. Then we state our mission this grant us for the creation of a temporary or semi permanent artwork that recognizes experience and culture of the black indigenous and people of color in Amherst. For installation and Amherst Kendrick Park and then the first question. Does your proposal seek to center the voices of black indigenous people of color and Amherst and that's a pretty important question. So please check all that apply as the artist applying to this to this grant ethnicity you'll notice this is not a mandatory question. So the form will progress, whether or not you fill this out. Please check all that apply as the artist applying to this grant race and again you'll see not a mandatory question. What is the artist relationship to the town of Amherst. This is really because we are trying to choose a local artist if possible a local an Amherst artist if we can, we'll be I think there's a little extra, an extra point if you are an Amherst artists so in the selection process. Qualifications, please share a short bio of yourself of the two paragraphs mandatory. Are we are we supposed to be commenting now or waiting. You can comment whenever you like if there's anything that you have questions about and I will try to answer your question. What, could it say how many words the bio would be instead of up to two paragraphs, because paragraphs is vague and can be interpreted anyway. So people would question that maybe about what does that mean. I think. Why not put 500 words or whatever. I think now if I asked us not to limit this because of some people may want to put you know 20 words some people may want to write an essay, and we didn't think this should be a thing that would limit you from the application process this isn't part of the selection criteria. I mean it's mandatory but we're not going to be judging it by, by the bio. So what would you hope for two paragraphs to mean any mean anything we're trying to open it. I think the thought was to open it up as much as possible, so that it wouldn't limit anybody one way or the other. And this is also something that other towns did as well be up to two paragraphs. I just am thinking of people who are trying to fill it out and think, what do they mean by paragraph a paragraph can be one sentence, or it can be a whole book. Yeah, this won't, this won't limit. As long as they upload some some kind of a short bio this part of the application has been checkmark is checked. So that will just be incumbent on us as the readers to read it all. So far as I'm concerned the longer the better but that's not that's just me. Yes, Robert. Okay. I didn't notice up at the top but is there something that explains that the asterisk means required and no asterisk, no asterisk means optional for people who are usually in. I think that's a red. That's a child with a star by it. Yeah, it does say that. Okay. Yeah. And so I was curious so the question about living in Amherst that's not required and has no star. It's not. The artist relationship of the town of Amherst. We only were I think so according to the, we had to come up with a whole. Asterisk for how we score every application. And on that application, it was not a detraction if you were not from Amherst. But if you are from Amherst, you have you get an extra point. So, it doesn't really figure into that extra point isn't a real big one so we didn't want to make that a mandatory question. Okay, also these things are really hard to prove as hard for us to say well you know prove it like prove your race prove your nationality prove you know your relationship with the town of Amherst. So, again, Neffa was asking us because we had a lot more are our initial application was a lot more picky about our questions, and Neffa really asked us to open these up. And so that it is more inclusive and inviting to more more artists. So that's what we endeavor to do and it was it was a struggle because I you know I'm a stickler I like. I like forms. Okay, moving on here. Please upload a resume or CV in PDF format, also not required. Neffa asked us not to make that required. If you have an online artist portfolio or website please share the URL here. These are examples of your artwork samples three to five digital images of applicants related work that include title year and medium images can be uploaded in JPEG form to the online form or copied into a single PDF and included with printed application materials to be mailed. So this was something that Neffa worked with us for the language to make sure that we have that this is incredibly inclusive for people who don't who can't send things in digitally. So we're also going to be making applications available at the public library so that people who don't have a computer can also apply so this was something that was necessary as part of the application process. One question. Did the asterisks be at the front of the this is unfortunately a Google form. And so I don't think that's a something I can fix on the template I think that is a an automatic thing that is just visible and so the emphasis of it makes it hard to notice it. Yeah, so if they if they try to move on to the next question. It won't let them or won't let them finish it'll say please go back to number four and finish so there's definitely no way to progress unless you do those those exact. Okay, particularly the asterisks ones. All right. Okay, please this contact information names email addresses for two references for similar work. Question about for similar work. Right. Was it me. So it actually refers to the question before it. So that also. And so you're going to submit your artwork samples and then if this is the artwork that you're, you're submitting to us to choose from a selection process. You know what other things have you created that are that are that made that same in this same medium and same style that we can see what you've done before and see if we're going to like your style in our in our park. So that's where that comes from. Please list contact information was about other people who could be a reference for it is yeah people have seen the work or worked with the artist on on similar work is what that really means. So it's kind of a validating. So, you know, not you're not just saying I can do this as other people who say yes this person can do this I've worked with them. What would it be wrong to say for references for similar work to yours. For two references for similar work to yours. Yeah, something that makes it because similar work is, I don't know what that's referring to, even though you explained it to me you did. Well, just don't you mean similar work you want references for similar work by the artist. Not another artist. Obviously, if you're filling out the right, I mean, it's your application clear to me but okay. I think I think it's understood there Dara, but thank you. It's not to me. Okay, I will I will know that that is to yours. Okay. Next one is sorry, could we just the the question above what says please upload samples of your artwork samples to we. We want samples of their samples or we just want samples it seems like we have an extra samples in there. There's an extra sample sir yep definitely. We don't need that many samples of a sample. Thank you. All right. Actually, can I edit this one. I'm going to have to do this out of some place else. Okay, thanks for that. What if you just took out for similar work. Please include two references. It's isn't it obvious. That'd be okay help Dara or does this contact information. That makes a lot more sense I think for similar work is an ambiguous phrase. And you don't know what it's referring to but references a reference. Anybody else understand why we would have for similar work and have any thoughts about it. Just making sure that the work that they're representing is the work that they're going to do in this space. And that's why you would want references about that type of work. Why don't you put for references for your proposed. For the work that you're proposing for your ability to complete the work you propose can't use ability. Okay. Okay, that's why you say similar work I understand why you're saying it's verbiage. Yeah, it's it's inclusive verbiage and it was very clear and very specific about our wording. So they say for the work you are proposing might work. I'll talk to an effort about that. Yeah, I, I see, I see what you're all saying there's a little vague. You could say two references for similar projects. Instead of work. Maybe that would be. That's better. I'm wondering if projects means that they'll feel like they have to have something that's been like published or exhibited. I'm going to ask. I'll ask them about it to see what they say. Okay. Yeah, I actually do think if you put projects. I wonder if you could just list two references, because, you know, if you're expecting that they've done something like this in the past, then you're ruling out people who, you know, this is their first time. Yeah, this may be on the rubric, I may need to take a look at the rubric and see how closely the word the verbiage is to the rubric. Because these are very, very specifically linked to the rubric that we're all going, we're going to be considering when we're looking at the at the works. Okay. So I need to kind of make sure they're linked up. I don't have the rubric open for me right now. I'm gonna see if I can catch that. Can you send that to us. The rubric yeah. Let me, I think I did before, but let me, let me see real quick. I have it available real quick. I had commissioners copy is it. This might be it. Okay, this may be what I'm talking about. Okay. Details goals location. Okay. Little boxes that say project. It's like what we did when we worked on this before. I believe this is the most, the most recent one. Okay, so project qualifications. I have the old one, the sample archery scoring rubric. Right. Is that you have a new one now. Yes. Oh yes. Oh yeah we had to change that amazingly. That one was not at all inclusive and we had to change it drastically. Okay. So we're going to be reviewing this document together tonight. This one or the other application. This, the actual call to artists that we're looking at right now. This, so this one, this commissioners copy right here is the proposal and writing that the application was based on. So we can go over this as well. If you feel like that'll be useful. Well, I mean, this is a, this is a document that's going out to the public. Correct. This is the one that the one that's going on to the public is the application. So this is the one that's going to be out in the public. So we're going to be okay. So the only, so the only call to artists is this application. This Google form. The other document is not going to go out. It's more of a scope document in order to get our funding and to make sure that our rubric are aligned with what we're, with our selection criteria. So that was a huge part of this NIFA effort was to make sure our selection criteria that we have on our application matches our judging rubric. Like directly so that we are. So that's very easy and equitable and inclusive. I see. So this document we can take a look at and I can share it with you. If that's not going out to the public, then I don't think that's necessary. I guess my only, my only comment on the rubric. Is. And not to jump to the end, but it seems like the, there are only 40 points attributable to. Project impact. And 60 points. Like if you scroll down to the bottom of this. If you keep going to the bottom. You know, 60 points for proposed qualifications and 40 points for project impact. I guess I would think. At a minimum, it should be 50 50 to me. It seems project impact is, is a pretty significant. Item that we would want to weigh fairly heavily in terms of the judging process or, or the, the. The jury rather should, should weigh heavily. And it's a little bit before we make the final decision. Okay. So you want to kind of take a look at those, the rubric and talk about that scoring. So I think we can, we can talk about changing the numbers to make those more equitable. Like make them 50 50. Okay. Let me see if I can do that. That doesn't seem like a really big change. I'll make sure that's okay with our folks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Terry. Yes. Is it the application and the judging. Robert will both be submitted to. The New England foundation for the arts. Yes. We've been working on both. For a while now. This we were done this first to get this cemented in. And once this was finally approved. I took this information and created the application, the online application. And then we've been working on it. We've been working on it. We've been working on it. We've been working on it. Finalizing the application for a few weeks now. So the application and the judging. This is for the minutes. The application and the judging rubric will both be submitted to. New England foundation for the arts. Right. To. In order, in order to. In order to secure our funding so that we get. We'll get half. At launch and half. So that's what I've come to. So far. Thanks. Okay. So basically we would be using this, this rubric. We would be our, all of our jurors would have a copy of. This rubric for every artist who's submitting. So we can score. I'll talk to Nefa and Gabriel about if we can make this scoring more 50, 50. Just, and that's a, that seems like a math thing. I'm going to see if that's, if that's a problem, I'll get back to you. Is that okay, Robert? Okay. All right. Back to the sea. Contact information. Oh yeah, I wanted to look in here to see if there's something in front about this. Application. Okay. Does it include the artists bio sample image of artwork? Okay. I'm not even sure that question is, is absolutely necessary. The references. But I think it's something we need to have in there. Honestly. For our own, you know, selection. Do you have something there? No. No. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Now we're moving on to the proposal. Please tell us about your proposal and make sure to include information regarding the conceptual description of your project, including artistic medium and the impact you think your project will have for raising BIPOC voices and experiences and Amherst. The word conceptual here was very important for NEPA for us to put in here. It's just kind of remarking on that. Qualifications. The artist proposes a project concept that has a three dimensional element is able to be installed on a approximately four by four concrete foot pad concrete base is able to withstand various weather conditions for a minimum of four months. Is ADA compliant and suitable for installing in a public park, not feature commercial or religious content. It is fabricated of highly durable low maintenance materials suitable for climate conditions resistant to UV damage, safe for public interaction. This project is in the public realm and may therefore be exposed to physical stresses as well as be subject to vandalism and be inclusive and welcoming and appropriate for all ages. Any questions upon those? I'd like to, I'd like to understand the same thing I brought up earlier about. Not featuring commercial or religious content. Okay. I don't know what that means and why, why does NEPA want that? Um, great question. Let's take a look here. I think that was, um, there was some reason for that. This was in the original. I remember I brought it up. Did we take it out of the original? I'm not remembering. I asked for it to be because I don't, I think that. I think that's a really important thing to remember. I think that censorship in a kind of way that could really deny some people subject matter and material. And I don't think that's a. Welcome thing for artists. But I also think the town of Amherst should not be putting up any kind of public art in our name that is affiliated with any one religion. Cause I think that that reflects poorly on the town of Amherst. So this is not just an artist's. Voice that we are saying here, this is an artist. This isn't, but this isn't. Whatever is put up in our parks reflects on us as a town, as a, as a, as a town, as a public art commission. So I think that is the reason why we couldn't have commercial interests up. We can't have a big Pepsi sign. We can't have a big, um, you know, uh, sign that says, uh, Muslims are great. You know, like we can't have any, um, any kind of commercial interests. Um, I think that's a good thing. It's because when you see, when you have across, or you have some kind of symbol of, um, religion, then you're, uh, And a public park. I think that puts us all in jeopardy. Um, because it says this is our messaging. And that's not something we really want to do as a public art commission. Am I, am I incorrect to everybody? I think you're right. Um, the other question I have is about. Um, Um, Um, Uh, Building materials. Do we have to go for that? In this situation. Now that we are a zero, zero building. Say what you mean, Mike. I'm not sure. I don't know what it is. I have no clue, but I know in. Like building of the library and rejoining of the, um, Elementary school, it's got to be zero. Something about building. Well, zero energy, you know, impact. I don't think it relates to this so much. Okay. So I just want to make sure we don't have to have to go down that road. Yeah. I don't think that applies here, but. No. I don't think so. Right. No one has brought that up to me before. So I really don't. Good. Okay. I just want to make sure. I kind of agree that, um, not feature commercial or religious content only that it opens us up to. Um, You know, if it's, if there, if an artist is doing something to promote, you know, to somehow promote their. I don't know something that they're making money off of as a side business. That's an issue. I think so commercial. I understand religious. I think can, can be. You know, open us up to a lot of controversy. But in some, When religion is really identifying a culture. Well, yeah, I think you can identify the cultural aspect, but not the religious content. I mean, you can, the secular pieces or the, even the cultural or the tenants of it, I think could be included. I mean, think of all the art that's been made on the planet. I mean, I think that has content that includes both of these things. And by commercial, I just mean like say somebody is doing a satire about materialism and they depict a whole lot of products. And they are in technically, they could be called commercial. And the town of Amherst could be sued also for. There's so many examples of people using commercial identities in artworks that I don't think that any of those suits ever get to mean anything. And religious stuff is like how you interpret what religion means is huge. And so I just think any kind of thing that. Suggest a kind of censorship is a dangerous thing to use when you're asking artists to be artists. If everybody feels that it's fine, it's okay. Robert. Well, first I'm wondering if Nifa would have any recommendations as to language because I imagine other towns are. Wondering about that as well. So you might want to use this, this same language actually, I'm going to ask Nefa about it. And then my other comment is. If it were removed. And an artist submitted something that was overtly religious or overtly commercial to the point of, you know, trying to profit, I guess I mean, I guess I'm wondering. If that, if that item were removed, wouldn't. Wouldn't something that's not appropriate. Yeah. Not be selected. Not be selected by the jury. I mean, so. It would be like the self-correct, right? You would just like. You know, in the jury process, you would say, yeah, no. But I think there was a reason we had to be overt about that to. To direct artists. To create proposals that would not. Get caught in that. I think that was the reason why we're being overt about it. And I think that's why the other towns that have the making of public also did the same, but I'm going to reach out to Nefa and ask about it. And if it's something that we don't need to put in. Then, you know, if it can just be part of the jury process to just say, no, thank you, then maybe we can do that. I'll, I'm going to check in with this one. I'll ask about this. This one too. Okay. I think it's a little bit different. I think it's a little bit different. Yeah. I think it's a little bit different. But it isn't, you know, in one of the. In the electrifying Amherst project, one of the power boxes, isn't there something with like a tide detergent box or my thinking of in North Hampton. Somewhere I've seen an electric box that has some kind of. You know, a little spoof of some commercial product. Sure. I love that. To. I love that we can look at this. Suterically, so. Yeah, I really don't know why. Well, my initial question was asking you if what Napa said about it. Right. That's all I care about right now. Right. So as part of the. Working on this. The game is a number of other towns. They already passed theirs they already they're they're already to the implementation stage and we're way behind. Yeah. I crib to this language for that reason, because it was in others, but I'm going to now ask about it and see if it is something we need to have in here and see what they have to say about it. Thank you. Let's see. Okay, moving on to selection criteria. How well does the proposed project concept creatively engaged visitors to the park to recognize the cultural, social, economic, and or environmental impact of BIPOC who called Amherst their home, their influence and or their importance to the story of Amherst. Is that one okay. I came up with that one. Edit me. Okay, somebody wants to bring up the name of the town. One more time if they wanted to do what. So raise issues about the name of our town. Yeah, I wish they would. I mean, I think you can. I mean, in this context, it'd be kind of surprising to me if there weren't artists who knew how to do that. Yeah, I would I agree. And that will be the something in the jury process that we can certainly you know, say yeah we want to see more of that. I think it'd be great I think we should rename Amherst. Sorry. Relevance, how relevant is the proposed artwork to the site selected community engagement. And this is a hope like this is especially Gabrielle wanted this in possibly allow for audience interaction and community engagement. APAC and the BID would like to plan community wide events around the installation and BADA accessible and not impede any walkways in the park. So those are the selection criteria. Any questions, comments. I think the brevity of this version of the application is a big improvement. Yeah, thank you. Please local BIPOC artists applicants who identify as as BIPOC who called Amherst their home so that's the the extra point there project concept please provide a conceptual description of your project that speaks to the qualifications and selection criteria listed above. Please be sure to include the artistic medium and the impact you think your project will have for raising BIPOC voices and experiences and Amherst. This was a mandatory this is an important one. So initial design. This is not mandatory you'll notice and this was something I was concerned about but Neva said not to make this mandatory please provide a conceptual sketch or rendering of your proposed project. JPEG or PDF. They, they're, they said that it was not as inclusive if people are have to come up with a sketch at this stage, because this is an application. So obviously there's, you know, you we move on to another phase after our first initial application process, where we choose a number that we like and then we go from there so at the next step we would be asking for things like that. And if we talk to us about keeping this pretty wide open so that artists can get to that stage, because in the past forms like these have been very limiting, and it has discouraged many artists from applying. So this is why we, we ordered this as such and did not make this mandatory. All right, any questions so far. Good. Okay, and finishing up. Thank you for your application selection would be, will be based on the proposal that scores the highest on our selection rubric. See our call for artists for details or contact Gabriel Gould for more information selected artists or team of artists will be recommended by art jury to a pack and town manager for final approval. I insist of two a pack members one representative from the Amherst cultural district, one representative from the Amherst business improvement district, two members of the public and town staff, including representative from the planning department Department of Public Works Office of diversity equity and inclusion facilities department with additional representation from Amherst disability access advisory committee, and the Amherst design review board finalists will be notified by June 30 2023. Okay, is this everything. Sorry, Robert, you go ahead. I'll go ahead there. I'll go after you. I was just curious about if you are envisioning a semi finalists being asked for more specifics. Yes. Then, yes, did maybe not say finalist but should say semi finalist. I don't know why we did finalists. I mean, it just so it just needs to jive with your description of the process. I don't remember why we didn't say semi finalist there. And I guess I'm curious about how these are a lot of people on this list. Yes, typical for all of the neffa things. What was, we talked, do you remember when we were first working on this in November, December, and we talked about how we need to have a really, a really wide variety of people who are interested in this, in this, in this some project representative of all the different facets of Amherst. And I think that's we when we talked about this and when we talked about this with our planner. She was the one who said we need to have all these folks and I think we agreed at that point. This was something that Gabrielle also didn't edit so I'm assuming this is something that she is used to doing anyways, calling all these people to be part of this. So many people. It is. Yeah. Did you count how many people it is. It looks like it's 10 or 12 or more. Yeah. No. And it's some of them seem to overlap and some of them like one of them says, two members of the public and town staff. Does that mean to public and then to town staff or public that is town staff. I mean, and then including representatives from and it doesn't say how many. Just representative from like, it's 123456. It's like 810. It's almost. Yeah, it's more than a dozen people. Yeah. How many different, I mean, what's that going to make happen. I don't know. I really don't know. This is something we had talked about way back. I remember talking about it. Yeah. And at that time, I was so new to the process. I didn't, I thought that was how everything was done. I really don't know why we have so many people. Maybe you could check with somebody about like what's a, what's a good number of people to have on a jury of this kind. I'll talk to Gabrielle about that. Yeah. So, Robert, did you want to. Yeah, so finalists will be notified so that, I guess I don't recall what is the process exactly so this this committee of large but indeterminate number is going to select. How many finalists or what. It depends on how many we receive. Let's take a look here real quick. Well I guess what I'm wondering is that should that statement really be the winner, or you know the winning artist is selected by June 30 as opposed to finalists because finalists suggest that there's then another step. Right. As far as I remember from our, the process of this project, there is another step. Hasn't there always been another step where there's we choose finalists and then we go from there is, I thought that was always the case. I honestly don't remember it's been. Yeah, it's been a whirlwind and get me to. Let me see. Is it on here somewhere. Okay. Okay, so all applications have to be received by May 14. We have. Is that other documents. Then June 30 is six weeks after that. I'm going to have to take a look at that through the good question. Because if there is, if there isn't originally, we should have a second step on that was something that our town planner. It was just when we all started this process that we were told there's there is a process where there's, they do the selection of the semi finalists and then they have another one, when they have the proposals and the sketches in front of them, so that they can choose the basically based on the project. But. So that's something I'm going to have to ask about because I had forgotten about that I think there is a second step. Who would you be asking. I'm going to ask. First, I'm going to go through all of our, but all of our past paperwork about this because I'm remembering something that. I can't think of our planner's name. Maureen. Maureen. Yeah, I remember when we, when we work with Maureen, there was a second step. And so now I'm kind of wondering if that got lost or what that is so I'm going to go back. I can't talk to Maureen about it so I'm going to go back in the documentation and talk to Gabrielle about it and then ask Nefa about it and figure it out. Because I think we have a timeline and I think the timeline actually builds in something for that second second step of the process so let me get back to you on that. And then when they. The selection rubric and where it says parenthetically see our call for artists for details is it just going to be the rubric part of that, not not the entire document. I actually think that this. This is not in its final form. I actually think that this document in a more final form will be will be the The call that goes out with this application. It's standard to have a like a PDF that you can view and to read more because it's much more. A lot more verbiage. This is not this is still the draft. Yeah, good question. And then this copy along with a printed out application application will be available at the library so that in town hall as well so that people can apply and you know, on paper as well. So understanding. I still feel like like she showed it and I worked on this and Lori worked on it some and like we're all still trying to figure out what the intention was from like from Maureen and, and in the past, and I feel like I'm still struggling. I've worked on it a lot, but yes, you all have very good questions that I need to find the answers to so I'm going to get back how to get back to you on it. The second step, I feel was part of this and I think I'm going to have to go back to Maureen's initial plan to see if I can find it. So, April 3 meeting is going to be basically after we send this offer promotion I think. So, I may need to get back to you and let you know the answers via email, we can't discuss it in email, but I can give you the answers. But I'm going to ask for your indulgence to allow us to vote on this tonight so that we can move it along and get this project going and out the door and have your trust that I will do the best I can to get this up in the shape it's supposed to be. Because we don't have another meeting between March 20 and when this is going to be promoted Gabriel wants to get this out the door as soon as possible. So, with that said, I have the things written down that I'm going to check in on. Okay. I'll get back to, I will send you an email with whatever answers I can glean so that we can start by all those questions. Okay, what's the date that this application needs to be submitted. Well, so we're voting on it tonight. I'm going to be telling Gabriel that either yes we're going to be going ahead with this or that no we are not and that we have to work on it some more as a commission and have another meeting to vote on it to approve it. I just want to know the date for the minute the date that this is supposed to be going out to the public is like April 2 or 3 right around there. But it can be turned back to NIFA this application needs to be submitted to the new definitions of the art. So this is the most this is the most. This one has been looked over by NIFA NIFA has looked over this with Gabriel, and this is the form this is the draft we're all working on together so they already have it. Okay, so this application needs to be put out put out to the public. It needs to be approved by our commission and it needs the final edits need to be back to NIFA so that NIFA can then cut the check and give us the go ahead to start promoting it publicly. Okay, so this. I mean the date I mean the date the date for that is before April 2. So, you can just say before on your you can say before the beginning of you know the month before the beginning of April this needs to be approved by NIFA. It has been approved by any FA. Yeah, sorry. I'm confused. I am just trying to get it straight for the minute so fine this application needs to be approved by our commission before the beginning of April. So it can be submitted to NIFA and put out and the call put out by when April, did you say April 3, Mikey, I think, is that the day we have. Yep, that's the only the old form from that we had Mrs call for art is posted by April 3. The date of our next APAC meeting is on April 3 April turn April 3. So, Harry is asking us to vote on this. I can get these answers and we can meet again next week. I'm personally fine with your getting the answers. Here's what I wrote. Terry will get back to us with all the answers to these questions, and we'll revise the documents accordingly. Okay. So, given that I, I propose that we vote on this now. Unless someone else wants to, you know, try to find a way for us all to meet again next week. We can meet what you just said. Okay, so I, okay, so Laurie. Laurie, how do I set them up Laurie. I'd like to make a motion to. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. Laurie made a motion to approve. The application as presented. With revisions. Do the questions raised. Okay, something like that. So I propose that we approve this application as presented with revisions to the questions raised made by Terry. Before it goes out. Okay. All right, you have a second. Okay. Mikey seconded all in favor. Do we, I think typically isn't there time for discussion before the vote. There is totally time for discussion, please. If I could just qualify that slightly. So the only thing I feel particularly strongly about is that criteria in the rubric about project impact versus I forget what the label of the other piece was. There was 5050, right. At least 5050. I mean, I would even promote, you know, or propose rather, you know, 6040 I do think that project impact is really what we, at least personally, I would think, you know, that that would be of the greatest value. So I'm fine with, I trust you implicitly Terry that the other revisions will be made as appropriate based on what you find out. But I do want to pay special attention to that one. Okay. I don't have that in front of me coach so can you be specific it was currently it's 40 points for what. Well so currently the rubric I believe it was 60 points for projects meets project qualifications or something like that. So proposed project qualifications is right. Right. And then project impact was 40. Impact was 40. I think it's 5050 perhaps should be reversed so that you know qualifications are 40 and impact is 60 or at a minimum 5050. We worked on this like you would not believe this was like such this took weeks. I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah, I had to. So this is so these these things that the qualifications are, we can't have. We cannot have a piece of art that does not meet these things. So these things were very important. You know I'm saying like, in terms of like installation and you know, I mean impact is also they're like equally so important. I mean if it's easier to make it 5050 by all means I you know I don't want anyone straining for mathematical reasons here so but I do think at least 5050. I would agree with that. Okay. Yeah we had to um. Something a minute ago I wanted to address. I think that project impact is is very subjective. So, subjectivity is something we had to take out of our rubric entirely. We could not say anything like you know does this. What value does this bring kind of thing anything that would beg a subjective answer, we had to take out entirely. This was workshopped like you wouldn't believe this this rubric we we had so I we had so many more from our from Maureen whittled it down to this in order for it to be more inclusive but I can talk to them about it. Well, can you show the the two categories under project impact again and I can't see them. Yeah, impact is here. Yeah, I had like I think I had for here. And the other two were too subjective so I had to take. And then I changed the numbers to make them equal but I'm going to talk to Napa and see if we can make them 5050 at least so we can have equality there. If I can do that math and I do that math. See one, two, three, four, that'll work. Right. Oh, don't make me math. I'm not enough about see what I can do. I hear what you're saying. Okay, again, I trust with whatever you come up with. Thank you in resolution. So, um, we need to vote, we need to vote on Lori's motion. Yes, yes, we were at the discussion so now we are at the, if you approve of this proposal this motion please say hi. Hi. We have three four eyes. Motion passes. Thank you so much. So, basically, Napa and Gabrielle are going to be well Gabrielle is going to be running with this she can't wait she's like chomping at the bit she can't wait to get this out. So really this is a, our, our voting for this moves it forward of as, as an item in our commissions that we can receive the funding. So, because this was granted to the public art commission. We had to do this, this part and agree and approve so that we can then I can now tell Napa. This application has been approved with these after I solved these things as well and then we'll move on to the next phase which is final edits so we get this document fully ready to go, and then make whatever changes we need to do to the application to go have a printed versions that we can have those available at the library, and all this to be ready and ready to go by April 3. So that's the big push. So, thank you for your trust. I will do my best to get these things answered and get back to you so you have. You have answers on that. Thank you. Okay, you guys are amazing. You have brought up such great questions. I feel so fortunate to have your, your viewpoints and your perspective. Thank you so much. And, and I think if your time it has been now an hour, and I was hoping to keep it at an hour so in respect for your time and knowing that I'll be seeing you again at April 3. I'm going to move that wait, wait, wait, wait. I have a public comment. Do we do have I'm so sorry, we have, we have public comment. Does any of those madam, would you like to say anything for our for a meeting here, have any input. I'm just taking a class at Amerson we're supposed to go to some public meeting so I just was like budding and just to see like how it works so yeah I'm just, and I'm interested in art too so this kind of was the one for. I just wanted to see like the structure of a public meeting and stuff so this was really cool and this is an exciting project so it is so exciting we are very excited about it and you're also welcome to come to one of our other meetings we're going to meet in person next month which is amazing. It'll be, we'll have that up on the, on the Amherst website so you can see where that's going to be. Yeah, we hope that as an artist you decide to put in our application for, we have a couple of calls for art coming out soon so keep, keep, if you're on not on our Facebook page take a look at the Facebook page. We'll be putting our calls up on there and they'll also be sent out on the bulletin, which I'm learning about, and on the Gazette, and I guess be a notify me so all those ways you can find out about our calls for art. Yeah, thanks for letting me join. Of course, thank you. Okay, very good document will if I just leave it you will have it for the minutes. Yep, yep, yep, I will, I will have it. I'm going to stop sharing. Can I stop sharing one quick question. When's our next meeting is it April 3 and what time and where our next meeting is April 3. I don't have anything for it to be a town hall but I'm waiting to hear back from Angela, if we can do that. Okay, and so you'll know yet. Yep, I will let you know and will you will be getting an agenda at least 48 hours prior to that meeting and that will have the location on it. Okay, if it's not there it might be at the Jones library or some other place where we can meet publicly so I will let you know. Okay, and yeah. Thank you so much for your time today I appreciate you very much. And we'll see you on April. Thank you, Terry. Move to end meeting. And I hear a second. I hear a motion actually to end the meeting. I do. Thank you, Mikey and a second. I second that. Thank you, Lori. He say I. I. All right, motion passes to close. Thank you so much everybody. Hope you have a great night. Thank you. Bye bye. Thank you, Terry, for all your hard work. Thank you, Lori. Appreciate you. Thanks. Good night, everyone. Good night. I feel so, it's so funny to. I feel so funny doing this. Thank you.