 I have got one small clarification in fact I would like to know what exactly at number 6 what exactly is the quadrant approach. I heard about that. We discussed that the honest high actually a research on the internet and I do not know whether it is the same for what approach. No I can tell you what the no. We can get some of the expertise for answer that. I am only one problem that was given to me. It should be in your. Just another issue should we meet our discussions on these 14 points. No we should go beyond that. Would you like to start by adding questions that are beyond this so that we can then time ourselves. Or we can go through on this 14 points then if something comes up. Because if you put questions I am pretty exhausted. I understand. I understand. If there is no problem then it does not take operating tools seriously enough. Okay now we are going to take that. So we have a presentation which we must. Actually the computer doesn't seem to be back but it is not going to be there. Then what we do is start to get a little bit of insight. Okay I will just start with two opening statements. Let's say there are experts of three opening statements. So Jaijit, Anu and Siddhi Venki give us a nice overrush. Just about two or three minutes focusing on the topic. Before that let me say that I am a little in awe of working with the topic that says future and something associated with content creation. Especially for government policy. Because what they are asking us to do is to predict the future of content creation and also advise them on what sort of investment or where they should invest. So let's have your thoughts on the future of content creation. So what people are working in the four quadrant thing is something that MHRD has adopted. We basically say when you are delivering any content you must have the video of the person delivering it. You must have the audio, you must have the content and the vitality. So video, audio, text content and vitality. So these are four. So the point is that good enough and in fact when we are saying the future of content creation is kind of a little oxymoronic because you are putting in a constraint and then you are saying that's how future will be. Future has to be good. But I think for now it works because you need to put in some standards. So it's a good starting point and I think we need to think about what is the standard. I have a kind of a sense if I agree. Can I? So because since I have gone through it, my colleagues have also gone. So there are 14 questions. So it will be a good start and we can make some kind of perspective created for us. If we can go one by one through the questions and answer for ourselves. But then we can create, if we feel that... I agree but there are some constraints because if we are asked to speak, actually experts will go from one to another and they have to leave us. So we start with them and then we go. I can put the first thing. So I'll just convert these 14 questions into a little bit of different framework and the framework is that what are the business models of content creation? What are the operational models of content creation? What are the financial models? And what are the technological models? Are they my business models? Yeah, I'll come to each one of them. Those are difficult words for me actually. Yeah, no answer. These are one of the words. One second. I know we are academicians and we are used to debate. So let's have a one-way broadcast or something. Oh, thank you. Are you taking notes or shall I also take notes? Yeah, I'll take notes. Okay. So your name and your business model? I'm sorry. I'm Yajin Pateljaya. I'm an engineering faculty in ID Delhi. I'm a partner at KPMT. So what is a business model? From our perspective and you need to have your own definition. From our perspective, from the academic world or a content world, a business model is one which allows sustainable content creation, sustainable in a financial manner. So if I'm creating content and it's only based on the dose that the government gives me, and till the time the ministry decides that content creation is important for the nation, content creation will happen. The day they stop, the entire content will evaporate. So that's not what we want. If you look at some of these questions, for example, is content creation in Indian language keeping up with times? Well, the times and the needs will also be determined by the business model. If there is a business model, you will create the content. If not, then that gap is identified and the government must step in to create that business model, which is basically the financial system. And there will be different kinds of models. We will look at some of the other questions that is that why is the government content not good enough? No matter how much we try, the content that the government is coming out with is clearly not at par with what the industry is coming out with. And therefore, what is the difference and what is constraining us? Clearly, it's again the business model combined with the second issue, which is the operation model. How does this industry or this whole activity of funding generation work? Who are the key players in it? Who are the designers? If you look at the Akhash chapter, there are some things which are really fancy and nice, there are some things which obviously can be desired even better. And given that there is a design school within IIT Bombay, we can really start leveraging that. So, what is the operation model of content creation? Who are the players in it? Is the ecosystem existing in the country? Is the ecosystem existing in the government? When the government procures, are there different components being procured or not? Or is it a linear procurement that happens here? Right? That's the operation model. The third part being the financial model. Should I interact? Yes. All you say. It's a part activity. Okay, fine. The third part being the financial model. There are extreme financial models like the Harvard University financial model where they believe that most of the payments of the student comes post the pass out. So, most of their money comes in from the donations of their alumni. Now, what are the various kinds of financial models we can have for content? Keep in mind that content is crystal and you can have again other extremes like why can't you put advertisement between the content? It's educational content. You can't reverse it around it. But we must look at other kinds of financial models besides the student being paying because the paying capacity of the student, especially casual students, is much lower. The last one we come through is the technological model. Again, you will see many of the questions getting answered if we answer these models. Is what are the standards we follow? Can we randomly create content which is not of much use because then you can't integrate them. You can't have a modeler approach that was being talked about in the model sessions. Can we have certain standards mandated? The flip side of that is that you can't evolve. Because the standards will also constrain the kind of content we come up with. So, those are some of the issues that from my perspective we should be looking at. Once we resolve some of these issues, then most of these questions start getting resolved. For example, let's just become something random. Do we need to come up with standards that are required in different technologies used in the educational area? Clearly, yes. If you only integrate it with a low-cost prediction device, then the low-cost protocol comes from the standard being defined. The standards will drive the low-cost. If I pick up another random thing, it's a good idea to come up with policy measures and set this to increase the use of NMICD-grade content. That is driven by the business model, the financial model, and the operations model. So, let's stop over there. Thanks. What should we do? Let us clear this. The content development, these entire models, etc. If we go back, say, print content. If I consider print content evolution, you will find there are very little effort by the government as far as India is concerned, apart from junior schools. Majorly high schools, which are from the experts, subject experts, professors, they have started and supported by different publishers. And out of many such publications, only one to survive in the competition. Depending upon the subject, depending upon the result. Now, that we know for last 30, 40 years. When we were students, our major technical books were foreign published. Now, we have Indian publications. Good Indian publications. Now, when that was the scenario, say, where from these models come, unless I have written, there are so many things coming up, then we think for the model. If we think model first and then try to put our effort into the model, is it the right way of handling the issues or so? That's probably it. That's our discussion. Life first and other things that you had put up. Actually, though. If you could quickly answer it. This is actually going on a tangent. I will take your issue of the fact that books and accessibility and we'll answer it very quickly. Yeah, but I think we're seeing the same thing. Yes, sir. Okay. You'll have to introduce yourself. My name is Rekate Sharigarand. I am the director of the non-profit called Nomin's Commons and I worked with Google on education technology and Indian language. So, we did a project where we took the CBC syllabus and mapped it to videos on it. And what we found is that there were quite a lot of gaps in the areas of economics. So, we'll have pretty much first-hand and second-hand content to videos on it. And we found that in areas that present chemistry, maths, et cetera, there was a lot of good quality content. But in areas like social science, economics, there was a huge growth of content. So, that goes to point number one. The second point is that a lot of the content was in English. So, for these subjects that we match the content, most of the content was in English. There is not much of content for school education in Indian language. So, that clearly is a huge growth of content, especially if you like to be taken of platform like this. And there is also a lot of challenges in computing in Indian language. So, that's an area where there is a lot of effort going on. And in fact, last week, we organized a hackathon to create Indian language applications on Android platform for a bunch of publishers, et cetera. So, I think the technology for computing in Indian languages is still used. But one advantage of using videos is that it's a relatively language independent platform. So, as long as you have a projector, as long as you have a video recorder, you can create content in Indian language. It's side steps, issues and challenges of people that's not having keyboard in Indian language. The third point of content generated by government on web projects not being used to a desired extent, I think NMEI city is a good example of the popularity of content. But at the same time, school content is just being created which is not that popular. So, I think in this kind of a case, it's a very interesting situation where you have tools and websites like Armageddon which are extremely popular. You also have websites like NMEI city which are very popular. So, one needs to really understand the dynamics of this new media and see how that can be integrated in the classroom. One experiment that we did recently of deploying these playlists and videos that we curated in the classroom was pretty interesting because we found that teachers are having a big challenge in deploying it in the classroom. But you give it to the kids which simply love it. Because things like photosynthesis, things like phases of the movement, they are so much more, they cover them so much more when you show them visually, or archaeology. But if you actually show archaeology and dig in progress using a video, it's a lot more lively, a lot more interesting. So, some of the pilots that have done other videos in the classroom, they have shown very good results and we've seen that overall classroom performances have gone on because of that. So, I think it's a very exciting time for the use of technology in the classroom and I'm sure that it's a lot of experience and a lot of research is going on. One question, what platform did you use for mapping at the CDSE in your view for the workshop? No, we had the teachers who sat down and did it. Because, for example, we could take photosynthesis for seven standard kids and you go to YouTube and search photosynthesis. You got a question? In fact, I have a sequence of what we had to say So, one more question. The condition that I would like to say is that for a period of time you would like to turn that into a cloud source platform so that, you know, so if I was a teacher, I have mapped the seven standard physics syllabus and, you know, you would like to take it and modify it for your students that you should be able to do. So, in fact, it's a string of 12 videos and you feel that some of these videos are not appropriate for your students. So, basically, you're looking to make it I've got one observation here because in my institute, National Institute of Agricultural Teaching and Research in Calcutta, we have been doing this video research for a long time. So, what recently we have adopted a path that we try to find out what are the requirements so far as the curriculum in the politics is a concern and we need to find out the gaps here at which place actually video will fit in. So, we try to make the video, approach will be much better. Take a survey. No, not exactly. 100% matching will not be there. Okay, so there are two more people who want two minutes, but can I just one minute before we go there? Actually, I want to focus on the point and I want everyone to get their opinion on that point. So, opening sessions which are to be honest, taken too long. Yes, Siddharth Gopalakrishnan, I represent this initiative for Sahab Media. Sahab being in Sanskrit word for together and media, of course. It's an online, open, online and secretary of Indian art, in a large, broad format. It's an upcoming site, there's a site already, but the ambitious platform that we want to create is not here today. But I have to show you a video for about five minutes so that I don't need to say anything after that. It's a collaborative site, open in a sense, it will be a collaborative site in which we request people of all, including experts, practitioners, lay people, students, teachers to co-create content in that sense. And also, to be more, I mean, it will not be like Wikipedia in a sense, it will be much more rich media format should be there. We have audio, video content, timelines, interviews, articles and several other features that we will do to integrate it to this content. Also, it will have because, for example, if you talk about Ramlila, say for example, the complexity of Indian culture is that it is highly non-linear, you can't just say that in terms of a performance. It's also at the same time a site. It's also at the same time a make-up way that a make-up involves a site for narrative, for example, in Ramlila. So how to integrate all these experiences is what, unlike the Wikipedia, we will have articles which are actually written by experts with their names written so that there is some kind of authenticity built into the structure. And secondly, we also have the editorial controls, if there is, I mean, mainly it will be as the contributor gives, but we also have some kind of integration for partial content community. So this is the general thing. After I show this for about four or five minutes then basically what we are trying to provide is a set of tools as a toolset so that the classroom experience will be much more vibrant. My assignment for today in music appreciation class is to make a detailed presentation on the Gwalior Gharana School of Music. I didn't really know much about it so I got online and looked it up on Sahapedia. Sahapedia, let me filter my search using a number of helpful options. I decided to search for articles and other content that was recommended by my friend network in both English and Hindi. Sahapedia's rich database brought up a variety of different content like music and video recordings, articles by experts, interviews, maps and much more. I personally like to see as many search results as I can on the same page so that I can get an idea of all the content that is available. The powerful search tools allow me to run multiple searches, look at two or more search results in the same window and filter my search results dynamically based on a number of common parameters like data format, language of recommendations to name a few. With the basic article on Gwalior Gharana and found to my surprise that it is made at the most illustrious school in Hindustani classical music. I located Pandit Marman Rao Deshpande's book between Tantan Faraz and Pandit Elke Pandit's memoir of his father, Pandit Krishnarav Shankar Pandit in the Indian Heritage Library section of Sahapedia. Looking at one of Sahapedia's specially created interactive datasets I realized that some of the most famous exponents of music belong to the Gwalior Gharana. From the historical figure of Tansen to the old greats, Pandit Omkarnath Thakur and Pandit Veeripalaskar to contemporary musicians like Vidushi Marani Rajulkar and Pandit Urhasakashankar I had never been good with dates so I was a little confused about the history of the Gharana but as I clicked on the lineage tree it became so much simpler to understand the chronology of the musicians of each era. We were to listen to some music to get a real feel of the Gharana On Sahapedia I found photographs, stories and of course music clips. I found to my surprise that there were a number of interviews too with living experience of the Gwalior style like Ustad Abdul Rashid Khan who is 104 years old a true living legend. Thankfully, Sahapedia included both the video as well as a transcript of the interview. There was a wealth of information on this important style of music I decided to create my own account on Sahapedia so that I could bookmark pages and collect information. In my personal account I was also able to change the settings of the user interface and personalize my browsing experience of Sahapedia. Sahapedia has a great tool that records your search history visually. This interactive web traces your path through the Sahapedia database and marks all the content you have looked at. Importantly, it also shows you all the content you haven't looked at yet. This can really help you save time and give you an overview of your search results as well as the search. Apart from storing your search history it is also a great way to navigate the Sahapedia database visually and get an overview of the kind of content available. With the help of this tool I can take a break from my research any time and when I come back even days later I can easily pick up where I left off. By this time I had read a lot on Gwalior Gharana. I had also been able to listen to the music sessions and interviews of content-free performers. To understand the context within which this music emerged I turned to the image gallery to get a feel for the sights and sounds of the city itself. Sahapedia has a unique feature which lets you record an audio file along with an image or a slideshow which can really bring a life a photo essay of a city or a heritage site. This site occupies the unique place of the Gwalior Fort as it belongs to Maharaja. Eventually I ended up looking in awe at the photos of the Gwalior Fort. Apparently Emperor Babur himself was so impressed by this fort that he devoted some pages of his famous autobiography to it. Using the latest in panorama building technology Sahapedia allowed me to experience the fort as though I was standing in it. It is clear that my presentation wouldn't have been this way. This is a platform that is open in a very dynamic sense to different multiple useables. Definitely to students and teachers but also to experts, practitioners, interviewers for example or in history with those people who have a lot of knowledge to be offered who may not have recorded their main texture format. So that kind of is a source of knowledge. Thank you. So I just want to add some issues that can come up when you think of something like this. The license of the content and the quality of the content is reduced in the screen information. It's not easily available in the NQC. I didn't understand the principle. This is what you would get from the user content and outsourced or it's accumulated in those conditions. Can you speak to us before we start? Let's move on to the schedule because we want to pick up one point that he mentioned while he was speaking and that when he presented his thesis in 1980 he had to give it a typing and the way that we produced content is we had to outsource it to professionals and now because of our age we are probably dinosaurs but we still have to outsource certain types of content that we are academicians produced especially video and animation beyond the text, beyond the chalk and blackboard that we are used to using beyond what we write and books. So what are the kind of content that we could look at that we could actually start developing ourselves? What are the tools that we need to as the future of content creation? So certainly the tools, lots of good stuff so just a few things we restrict ourselves to videos eliminating ourselves so really you don't like this on media to make videos, games and simulation there is a whole effort around games in the US all of the rigged simulations interactive labs, assessments so we have to think about content in much richer ways and much more diversity of content because I think that's really important. Second is in terms of if you look at Wikipedia it's the Wikipedia versus Textbook you have small atoms of content that people can assemble together themselves and they can navigate to versus pre-navigated linear pieces of courses and everything that we produce my personal opinion is that more flexibility and students take the responsibility for their learning and being able to navigate through and learn and follow and that's how Khan Academy you know structured to Israeli important. The third small element that I had was around this directed versus private source versus market approaches you know what I guess Sergei in the beginning I think there is a certain parts where the government fill gaps and particularly around the younger years that are there but having a much more private source and market based approaches where the best content rises to the top because the best teacher of a particular material may not be a famous professor when it comes to teaching, you know maybe just lots of other people and how they tell the story how they relate and also there is no one's right way to do the content depending on the needs of the student the context of the student I think it is really important that does that which leads to what I talked about in the morning that if you have the right tools and tool sets whether it was you know how Wikipedia and you know those tools that got created or what I was talking about in the morning that really democratize the creation and so everybody can participate and add and modify whether it is video or whether it is other relevance I think it will be really important to do that so those are some just high level observations yes yes okay high level observations so let's start with the schedule now and ideally in the group discussion everyone should be able to give the opinion but I think this group has become more than 17 so I don't know how to do that but I'd like you all to speak but you have to also understand about time so you have to restrict your opinion and you can think about what you're saying so that we could take the notes down in a more coherent form that would be easier there is something in the back of my mind that I'd like to put which has a very focused on but untouched on as a teacher my biggest gap in creating content has a lack of game for putting tools and that is for digital content we've had a lot of experience or it's experimenting with them but we don't get the quality production quality that you would expect or something like that it's okay if I stand in front of the video there are software environments that are changing the pedagogy on which we are talking about how we teach and I don't think that we adequately covered either of these questions so maybe if you would give us the concept of constructivism problem solving environments for a particular topic and the way in which our students learn today is largely to solve a problem objectively they find it in a how-to or a forum where someone has already put that question in and the answer is common now how do we integrate all that particular content this is the future of software it isn't necessarily created by a teacher it's not necessarily a teacher created content and those of us who are teachers or we have a problem with them we should keep that in mind okay can we start from the first even though enemy ICT a lot of content is created for instance when we're dead all disciplines are covered to the same extent what are some of the big gaps that need immediate focus one, two and three sorry welcome to you professor sorry I don't know can we speak from your face one question of content content development integration when the enemies come we'll get a problem from production market profit I want to focus on what we are discussing when we come to that in the end when we come up discussion just this question what are the disciplines that we need to cover what are the damn barriers from every day there are a lot of them so far the content creation is confined to the engineering process it's regarding pharmacy management so that's one pharmacy and management and microdialysis vitamin and as much as we see in the engineering and so far it's confined to the IAGs and so far we have not been roped in I come from a university JNU which has 600 courses not taught anywhere else in the front on topics which are probably not of any relevance in any technical so we focus on what we want to do and my submission again is better if it is developed on there are on the list of language on the list of let's do one question at a time can we have one question at a time okay I'm going to change the rules now when you speak from where you are and specifically on that question because we are taking notes so what are the gap areas from the NPTEL content NPTEL content is thought largely by IIT professors and it is distributed in disciplines that is in the course and curriculum of the particular topics so let's break this into two levels is the curriculum of the IIT appropriate for what your universities have and are the subjects covering what you require actually the NPTEL content as you are saying it is focused on the engineering curriculum particularly IIT course other areas needs to be focused it needs to be explained in a different way that it is not just point quite appropriate even the teacher that is teaching a class of IIT students may not bring across the point the same way that you do but that is where they discuss this idea of a blended course or some solutions that's a very appropriate point anyone else I think we saw one of our lectures we are going to be talking about attention strategy we will not have about 10 minutes what do we have 10 minutes for something like that when you are monotonous the quality of the lectures it's very neat oftentimes in fact in regard to this oftentimes it is found that the pronunciation and the way they speak is not at all acceptable but we still listen to them therefore this has to be learned so that sort of some sort of subtitle some sort of things might be required might be there but that is different language different language that comes from some other part yes sir one of the major problems in education we don't find obstacles courses because the companies who recruit and have a few confidence here they will be these obstacles courses are not part of the technical engineering and we find that there is a very big gap I think that's a very strong point I come from a university which takes students from the private areas we have a large number of our students who we talk about this demographic evidence who are first time learners let alone come from a generation or come from family but the problem with this is that what you are talking about is solid skills even translates as communication skills we judge them on the basis of their ability to communicate in English which is definitely something that needs to be learned basically it needs to be understood when it goes there we have these great courses in our university we have this in our university so that's some of the let's just again let's go back one step to the engineering content education can someone one or two or three people no no no can you take a checklist of the areas that are actual gap areas based on the curriculum okay I will do there are some courses which are being taught for students of all their disciplines particularly in first year or second year common courses I am talking about I think priorities should be given to those subjects as for example here they have developed thermodynamics in most of the disciplines this subject is important basic codes in computer science in most of the disciplines we can also take a comparison argument for instance thermodynamics and basic computer science 101 can be taught by a neighboring lecture what is the difference in the physical in places like in the classroom yes because our students are doing examination so the great courses are different from different courses different course curriculum it is a 6 and 7 semester course course curriculum should be standardized all over India so that's what you are studying in A you are studying in B so I have put the curriculum I have also put the quality of the lectures the length of time and things like that but someone has to do a homework in filling in subject here in gas yes I would like to know this is not focused only on in people even for engineering programs let's take the we need to talk about future of content creation not only limited to engineering I don't see any association I am it's been pushed by the government to create some content like technical engineering for management or industry engineering then probably be taken up by someone else because how they generate the content I am missing I am missing so this is probably something that we probably shouldn't go into discussion of why the I ams are not given that is not why so we just listed as a requirement yes should we go on to the next question I want to say that I think those are very good points I think the way we should think positively for the future is that we have done what we have done we should think about how to create adaptive content yes I mean that's a challenge in itself but you know we have to really think how do we create content that can be used by a variety of people at different levels of just something about can you finish your point adaptive content but the parameters along which it is adapted has to be carefully thought so you know you said language you said level of English you said level of intellectual capability all those are parameters but the skills that are required to a student in today's world and something that we take off is given from a public school background that is not true in the large section of our student population which we all know but your context of adaptive content is relevant in the sense that we are looking at content which can be changed and modified for an important level but the question is actually when persons with disabilities whether this content can be accessible by the free government the person with disabilities I will put that in the flag because we have some projects whether our people or some of the contents created under NBICD whether it can be the visual lecture, text formats whether it can be accessible by the persons with disabilities this is my question end user must be anyone I don't know the answer to that so we put it in as a requirement content should also be there it's my slight comment for us that this is a little bit of a funny question to be in the following status that if you look at US as an example and what's happening with courses a professor is saying there's need for a course if they're generating the content it's a much more market driven needs to meet something as important as somebody creates the content nobody goes and makes a list of people here in content the market in some sense and the need and the desire and the desire of the professors to do something in the famous drawings their content gets done it's just that to me in my opinion it's crazy that's what may be made I agree with what I was saying except that let's change the answers to this question no, not that you're wrong the focus of the question presumably is that there is content available which is disseminated in a broadcast more from the IITs which would be very helpful for colleges and technical universities which don't have the expertise do you have that slide or someone else have this slide where they have a full act of why teachers are the teachers of the world so what is the curriculum and can we have it disseminated so we'll make a list of these and put it in but we'll pick up on this point later because I feel that we should actually come up with reactive content with all the link tools with the kind of content that is created second place is content creation in Indian languages keeping up with the time all of us for the team that it is in what is the best way to create content in our languages we'll have two sets of questions here this is asking us what is the best way to make an answer to this and then some of us may feel that we not know how much of translation in dubbing should we do and what is the best way to create virtual content in our languages would you like to come up so far as the technical subjects are concerned it is difficult to translate dubbing into world of international languages very very difficult so English might be the basic language dubbing kind of thing the terms can be in English the terms can be in English yes it has to be but there is coming a process there is coming a process in Bengali for example in my language basically a chemical engineering by training so describing in Bengali a chemical process industry is very difficult so I have to use English then some kind of dubbing separately take a look very sorry for the interrupt important announcement I think there is a point whether we can arrange a portal residence at 17 and buses have been arranged I just want to encourage anyone who wants to develop a car all 80 buses are there they can start here at 6.15 or 6.30 21 more make it 6.15 6.15 or 6.30 ok I will go back any car you can give us why not ok question one in the university we have been doing this for example CAC public works so the students so they do not understand English so what we do we ask them what should be done we take the English contract what should be done how is it going to be done what is the best way to do this so one experience is we keep the technical terms standard because they are global standards they cannot change that but you have to be able to learn the language in some sort of a linguistic system which the students can understand one way as I looked it was by point where we had this image in his video in one corner you can put those for the content which is right now you can put those slides in Hindi or whatever language that can be done let me give you a very short example from what we developed in the open source software for instance where you have to internationalization and localization so the content that can be converted for instance the health pages the man pages etc that content is definitely a particular format where you can use machine translation to convert that and the duration is very very simple the code is code that way for instance the desktop obviously there are certain things that are all installed in other ways but all those are solutions that have already been provided they are very simple enough to change particular terms can we do that with education you know many technical solutions I know for instance you can use a lexicon or a translation Google has this you can translate a page what is the level of translation in our university we have a project called A.P.C.P. first partial content development P.T.P.D. pages which overlap with school content and our university being largely a national character bilingual speakers English and the native language from across the country so these are solutions can you come up with something I need a study called a translation mission that was booted by the state council not just for literature but also for technical literature so maybe it could be related to that and also perhaps responsibilities even to universities or teachers to transcribe this after selecting making a primary selection in the right application setting we have big questions so we don't really have a solution what is the best way to begin from here there are two things here from how many languages we are going to convert it for example from India to India so there is a one intermediate language which is being used for UNL Unified Networking Language so if I am able to convert my language into UNL automatically it is going to get converted to many other so if you take the order if I have to convert my language into two it will become downstairs order but if you are taking this UNL it is only an order so I just need to convert one language into UNL and automatically all other languages so the work is going on this even at IIT Bombay also how much I am not sure we should focus into so much of ground proposals but I really want to have this paper as a solution so if they are needs to be supported by ground meaning to develop this are there any solutions that you want for the same case of northeastern states where we actually deal with you can give the questions so that research done for CI is for instance one of the best ways to learn English for a non-language speaker is to watch an English film with the same language type in the local language community they can understand easy the dubbing technology must exist how do you translate what is the best way to create content what do you suggest for instance a series of good amount of solutions for this how much of translation or dubbing should we do should we stick to a global language which is now English or should we still maintain our local languages for the interesting points in Khan Academy etc. India's drug sourcing and the right tools for translation in a lot of other things so India can use the people if you need it in your role you need it something a local professor who is bilingual in those can help with those again they can fit the right tools that we can help thanks for that thanks for 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Transcription of the. So, at least they can go through the hard copy materials. So, see the kind of accent that I said, why don't you spend around it, but I have seen any accent you can translate. You can find out those kind of accents. You get the basic gist of what's happening, but it's much better if you have the form and the copy in your life. We have this very commonly done in the instance of any teacher very often has to be able to be able to communicate with students otherwise it's going to be a problem. If you have the textbook in English you can read it. You just have to clear your doubts and you will be able to do that in your language. So, how much of translation and how much should we go? As far as feasible, it should be there. We have actually created a file movement. The translation is a bit like to even students reading a final year students who first year classes. Students who are also involved in the class. This is actually something that this is an excitement and the answer is to make it. I think that's the reason why students are here at law. When they as part of their curriculum are required to create a material content that they are studying and upload this to the media. So, one of the operations that are not always possible to be there in terms of instances and suggestions can be taken care of because that's also contributing to original content creation in media content. So, the question is the same question, pros and cons of our children. Yes, number eight is there. We'll come back to that. Okay, so let's quickly go through three. Often the content created by government funded projects are not used to a desired extent. Should the future projects create content in an attractive way such as to maximise its use? If so, what methods are recommended? Can I first of all want to be a definition of attractive? Sir, visually it has to be attractive. It is a video. Video? Yes, it has to be attractive. Engage it. Otherwise I can't touch it. I, for instance, think the ADRE school content is among the best I have made. She does not. You have this difference of opinion on what is attractive or not. Now, I feel that government content is actually bound up with licensing and it's not clear what the government should do. They should release the NCRT content and that should have been made into a CCY or CCY share of life. I'm allowed chunking from that to use as a base. One example I can give that dialogue. We have plenty of such materials on the Gantt Asher channel. Most of them I have found pretty boring. But EMRC organization, they produce quite attractive content. So, there is a conference in it for you. You can confer it. So, I think the point is actually shouldn't be made more attractive or shouldn't be made more available. The term is probably wrong. I don't see why government should start producing it. Let me take the example of Rukashan versus Indian TV. There are a lot of news channels, given the choice of both. One would probably be better for its production quality. But the other, and I know I got a very leftist background, probably has more sound content after watching it because it's more attractive. The question is clearly should government content be produced in a more attractive manner? Attractive is not effective. It is not effective. But it is never effective. It must not be boring. The answer is no. Boring? That's the answer. It must not be boring. So, government funded content should be made available. That is my feeling. If you agree with that, can you show hands? Government can fund non-boring items. That is a very subjective point. I don't want to go into attraction and other things. So, if so, what members would you feel are recommended? I don't feel they are recommended. Actually, the question is, are projects not a content? The culture of projects create content in an attractive manner, such as to maximise it. There is a mission director here. I will give you my opinion on this. What may happen is that a lot of the funds may go towards glamourising content rather than actually getting content created. This world of attraction is a little bit of an attraction. That's a personal opinion which is why I asked you about attraction. Contrary to perspective here, many designers say that when you have form and function, even though function is important, I think all of us are doing the same thing. What gets people first into it is the form. Let's move on. I am saying no and we have some people saying yes. If you are saying yes, it should be done in the exact manner given here. All the issues might start to be addressed in here. She has the right to talk. We have five minutes. I am going out of the magazine in high education. When we were starting with the magazine, the one thing that I was told is, please do not make it boring. Make it attractive. Everything that we find in education is so boring. We spend a lot of time in designing the layout and making sure that people actually read. So the amount of time that I spend in designing is almost equal to the time I spend in designing. Contrary to perspective, what is important? What is important is the reach of attraction. The point is, the availability is also much more important here. It is the point. Newsletters out everywhere. You will have to come back to what he said in the morning. When you say continue with that practicality because it is boring, so you have to focus the research on why is it the length of the line. Because the search says that it will go beyond about five minutes. I think that is a very good point. Can we focus attraction on what we are doing by far? We are focused on the search. In fact, it is the right word. What is the right element? It should be set in terms of the right attractiveness. I think we do one example. If you have a good speaker, each of you will be good in terms of knowledge. But in addition, if the person is an excellent speaker, they will have much more impact on a large number of people. So that is how I am interpreting attractive here. When you do it for the whole country, the form of speakers are not necessary. I have a one-side. So that is the fault. It depends upon the fault. You can deliver and export half an hour, but it can be dotted with some visuals and all the text. The attractiveness is the right word. It is quite fine with that. Many people here are using the word attractiveness to me. That is the right word. Can you break down intellectually engaging into how we create intellectually engaging content? Yes. We have to engage some creative people. We have to ask the students. Can they move on for that? We wanted some methods for recommending, but I am going on. Sir, creative people have to be engaged. Question at the back. You have a question or an answer? No, I want to question this whole, your questioning of form and content. I think both are important. It cannot happen. I agree. I was making a little bit of a term attractive with reference to content. We needed to define what it was. I will give you an example from the programming world, which is what I have belonged to years ago. We tried to argue that an elegant program on the basis of elegance, but now if you look at me, I am an embedded systems designer. An elegant program is very economical on energy. It is something you can understand easily. Apart from being beautiful, it is very economical in form. So, this form and content is not either or. It is both. Yes. It is form and content. And if you stand up in front of me and mumble a lecture, that is unacceptable. I understand. We cannot separate. But it is not necessary that we have to develop content as lectures. I will come to that when we run through this. Broadcasting from the stage does not give a way that we should look in the future of content creation. We should look beyond. No question at all.