 First and foremost, I believe the battle that we're having concerning the Ministry of Deliverance is locked in a homonym. For those of you that are watching, a homonym means the word sounds the same, but does it mean the same thing? What? Are you serious? A homonym means the word sounds the same, but does it mean the same thing? All right. They miscalculated. They misjudged. They got it wrong. An example would be the word pool. The word pool is like a pool game, but at the same time car pool. Or maybe you mean pool as in swimming. It's a homonym. Have you ever had a dream that you had, you would, you could, you'll do, you would, you want, you, you could do so, you, you do, you could, you, you want, you want him to do you so much you could do anything. Let me emphatically say here for like the millionth time, a Christian cannot be demon possessed. Those of you that are watching me, say it with me. A Christian cannot be demon possessed. 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Please hit the like and make sure we get this algorithm jumping and popping off so we can keep this stream up there with the numbers and stuff. That's how people can know more about the channel, of course. So I definitely appreciate the support and make sure everybody that's here are liking the hitting the like button. Smash that like button down. Smack it down like I continue. I do appreciate that. You got 47 that are watching currently and 24 that have liked it. So please do so. We really, really appreciate that. Thank you so, so much. All right, now here's the question I want to ask all of you tonight. You saw the video clips. Pretty sure you all know who those who are around that type of environment. Didn't know much about Alex Pagani. Again, didn't know much about a lot of these people until I connected with Cory Minor. So I kind of blame him for this foolery. But anyway, if you have been aware of Pagani's ministry, quote, unquote, then you know that his ministry is more so not a ministry. It's not a biblical one. I put it that way. It's not a biblical ministry. What do I mean by that? Well, what is it standing on? What is its purpose? He'll say that its purpose is to do the work of the kingdom. That's what he would say. But when we dig deeper, when we go a little bit below the surface and not just stay on a superficial level, we would have to compare it with Scripture. And I don't see how that kind of ministry is. Isaiah Salavars, who else? A lot of these, quote, unquote, demon slayers as they call them. I don't see that ministry of any biblical value. I see it as a joke. And I see it as a concern. I see it as something that we should not give anyone the idea that it is a ministry that should be followed, that should be considered as worth supporting. I do not. It is a ministry that should be marked and avoided. It is a ministry that should be called out. Now, I already know that Pagani, you're watching this video and I know that you're going to email me as you've done before anytime I talk about your ministry or talk about you. But anything that I say about you, Pagani, have already extended the opportunity for us to have a conversation. You don't want to do that. You'd rather go on charisma in other safe spaces and other echo chambers to have your ideologies and your theology supported and defended. So so much for having dialogue, as you said before, and now you recant. And again, that's why my concern is, are these people really serious about having dialogue? Are they more so concerned about being in their little circle? Since they get their numbers, and that's all that matters, it's a numbers game to these people. It really is. It is really a numbers game to them. If it weren't, they wouldn't be doing the things that they do. And unfortunately, a lot of naive and gullible people follow ministries like Alex Pagani and Salivar and Marcus Rogers. And I don't even know who this Vlad person is, but I'm pretty sure it's nobody worth me giving any sense of positive feedback to. But nonetheless, this is where we are. We're in a day in society now, ladies and gentlemen here, that the church, we are in trouble. If it's not the foolishness that we see that is really overtly in our face, then it is the deception that we see that is covertly going on behind our backs. Like I mentioned before, we had to leave a church that we thought was biblically sound because they would rather parade Satan around through frats and sororities. And now just even recently, it has come to my attention and actually it's on their Instagram page. Impact Church of the Woodlands. They're now embracing progressive and liberal Jews who deny Christ as Messiah. I mean, the man actually went on record in front of people in a Bible study and said that he does not believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, that we all can be our own Messiahs. No joke. No joke. And there's no wonder why the Lord put me about it that place. Now, what the leadership is going to do? Don't know. What is Pastor Rochette Coleman going to do? Don't know. I do know this. Ichabod has been probably pronounced. And this is why I thank God that he made me sensitive to his spirit and made me obedient to his word. I just know what I would have done if I were there. I saw enough, so it was time for me to do it. So when you have to deal with stuff like that, when you think that you're in a place that is teaching psalm biblical doctrine, then you have the enemy being given red carpet, red carpet. It wasn't as though these people have come in, unawares. No, these people are being brought in by invitation, by invitation. So we are in very, very serious times, ladies and gentlemen. If you have a psalm church, and I do mean that, if you have a psalm biblical church where the Spirit of God is there, and you can tell, you can tell when the Spirit of God is present, because his word is exalted. And Christ's people are edified and encouraged, and you see people are operating in their gifts and in the calling that God has for them. And they check sin at the door, whether it be from the top down to the bottom. If you have a church like that, praise God. If you have a church like that, you need to be grateful and thankful to God, because most of us, all we want is a place where we can worship amongst like-minded believers, and not have the world, not have the world to tell us how to worship. And not only that, they not have the world, not have our flesh to dictate how worship is to be given, and not have the world to be given, and to be administered, and to be done. This is where we are. This is where we are. So I just want to encourage you all. I want to encourage you to don't compromise. When you see sin, when you see compromise, when you see the enemy trying to guise himself as one of your own, listen carefully. Listen closely. Be discerning. Be attentive. Do not give up one square inch to the enemy. Don't, because once you do that, he's going to want it more. And before you know it, he has your entire church. And this is where we are today. This is where we are today. So again, I told you all about the low-hanging fruit that is easy to hit the low-hanging fruit. Well, tonight is going to be one of those nights. This is kind of like a low-hanging fruit situation, but it's in your way. It's like in your face. It's in your face. Some of these people, they say things, and they don't want anyone to say anything about them, but you have to. You have to. Pagani has made it his business to make statements regarding Christians being demon-possessed or being possessed by a demon. Don't take my word for it. I'm going to drop the receipts in just a moment, which made me, which precipitated me to ask the following question. Does this man have bipolar? Is this man bipolar, or is he just a blatant deceiver? Is it one or the other, or is it both? I don't know. I'm not one to push mental illness in the sense that I just shrug off everything to a mental illness. That's not my thing. But the Bible calls it being double-minded. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. But I just wanted to use the secular term, the psychological term, because this guy, after preparing for this particular broadcast tonight, I just have to ask the question. I'm asking those of you who may watch and have seen some of his stuff, and you can tell me, say, oh, no, he's not bipolar. He's not. He doesn't have any of the characteristics of being bipolar. He doesn't say one thing and flip me through another thing. You know, don't know. I definitely know he's a blatant deceiver, but I wonder is it both? I wonder. And so what I wanted to do, because words and terms matter, we need to define our terms, correct? Right? So we need to define our terms. Then we need to make sure that we are accurately and rightly assessing what a person is or how they are behaving and making sure that we are calling balls balls and strike strikes. So what I want to do is I want to share the screen. And this is from Healthline. I just pulled up one particular site, and I wanted to know, what are some ways or some signs of bipolar disorder? Maybe Pagani has this and he doesn't know, and maybe I can help him to have him cast it out of himself. I don't know. But it says, although a person with bipolar disorder may give false information, not out of spite, but because of an episode, the stories they can tell, they tell can still hurt. However frequent being thought of as lying can fracture the trust you have in your relationship. The more lies that are told, the deeper the fracture can become until the relationship is completely severed. Losing relationships can further alienate someone with bipolar disorder. This can exacerbate their systems. Cognitive behavioral therapy, known as CBT, could help your loved one identify symptoms of bipolar disorder that are leading to the lying behavior. And on and on it goes. And what I wanted to know was, is that, you know, is this thing a characterist? Now some say that it's not, but it's interesting in this particular article. It does say something along the lines of this. It says, caring for someone with bipolar disorder can cause stress, anxiety, and pain for friends and family. Although your loved one needs help for their illness, you can also need, you also need to take care of yourself. There are several coping strategies for friends and family of a person with bipolar disorder. Here are some tips to try. Educating yourself, talk to a therapist, you know, things of that nature to him. Family groups, because I just wanted to know, I said, maybe this guy, you know, has something that he just don't know. I mean, since, you know, because the guy's mood changes so much. One minute he says this, next minute he says that, and then he'll say he never said it. And I said, I'm like, wow, really? Okay, well, so I was just curious to know, wanting to know what it could be if there was one. So, but I said, maybe it's possible. Maybe it's possible this guy has bipolar. I don't know. I don't know. But so it's not just me, right, David? It's not just me. It's not just me saying he never even said it. Exactly. I mean, because I know I ain't lying on him. I know I'm not lying on him. I'm just going about what to do said. My goodness. So let's get into it, shall we? Let's go ahead and address the elephant in the room. Pagani has gone on record and he was on the what was that, Charisma? Yes, Charisma. He was on Charisma Magazine and he contended against those who accuse him of saying that Christians can be demon-possessed. That's what he said. That's what he said. In fact, let me share the article here with you here. Past the Alexander Pagani who's well known for his deliverance ministry said for the last time, he said in the record straight concerning claims that he and others working in deliverance ministry believe Christians can be possessed by demons. That's what he said, right? During a recent broadcast on his ministry's podcast, Pagani said people are using the words to describe what he and his team of quote, demon slayers and quote, believe. He says, I believe the battle that we're having concerning the ministry of deliverance is locked in a homonym. A homonym means the word sounds the same, but doesn't mean the same thing he explained. An example would be the word pool. And as you heard in the video, right? So now again, what I want to know is, if we're taking what Pagani is saying, then we have to use his own words and make sure that we're not misrepresenting him. Am I correct? Right? Okay then. So he says the word homonym means one or two more words that have the same sound and often have the same spelling but differ in meaning. Okay, well, that's the case that we need to know what the word of God means, what the word of God says in scripture, because this is what Pagani said. First and foremost, I believe the battle that we're having concerning the ministry of deliverance is locked in a homonym. For those of you that are watching, a homonym means the word sounds the same, but does it mean the same thing? Okay, so he says the word sounds the same but doesn't mean the same thing, okay? Remember, he said that now, he said that. An example would be the word pool. The word pool is like a pool game at the same time, carpool. Or maybe you mean pool as in swimming. It's a homonym. Let me emphatically say here for like the millionth time, a Christian cannot be demon possessed. Those of you that are watching me, say it with me, a Christian cannot be demon possessed. Now, why am I saying that with a little bit of snarky sarcasm? It's because we have been saying this from day one. Really, you've been saying it from day one, huh? Okay, now remember y'all, I try to make sure that I have statements and receipts when people like him make these claims. So maybe, maybe, just maybe, maybe Alex, you forgot that you said that. I'm waiting for the day somebody wants to debate me live and I'm, let me rephrase that because there folks are gonna be like, you're being prideful. I hate talking to Christians sometimes because the moment you say I, brother, you're being prideful. Okay, and look forward to, let me spiritualize this. I look forward to the day that I could have a friendly debate on can a Christian have a demon? Because I am thoroughly, docturally prepared to have that conversation. That's you on tape. Come on, clean. Come on. I mean, I've been waiting for you to have this doctrinal conversation as well. But you, you reneged, you backpedal, you backed out. You said you don't want to do it. Now, but you still go on other people's programs, those that are you, that you're safe in those safe spaces to defend yourself to people who are not going to push back on things that you've said, like me. You know, it's interesting that Royce White was willing to come up with me and he's Roman Catholic and yet you, Pagani, claim to be Christian and you refuse to come up with me. It makes me wonder. I mean, what do you have to run and hide for? I mean, what is there to run from? Losing what followers, people finding out you're a fraud, people finding out you don't know how to interpret scripture accurately according to authorial content. Is that the issue? Because you'll be exposed as being a fraud, a charlatan, a liar. I mean, is that the issue? I mean, if it is, just be honest, just say that. I mean, because those who know the word, we already know that's the case and that's the issue. But you're the one who said that, not me. You said that you are, you're just waiting for the day that somebody can challenge you, okay? I'll take the challenge, but I know you won't accept it. You and others like you in your camp and your ilk. Y'all don't want to have a face-to-face, whether it be on your channel or somebody else's channel and we have somebody to moderate. I don't care because all you keep giving is experience. You do not give exposition and exegesis of scripture. You may think you do, Alex, but you don't. And really, that's the problem. And that's really sad. All right, so that's what we're saying is, a Christian is not possessed as an owned by. A demon, no, we're owned. Number one, we're bought with the price. Number two, we have the precious Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest expectation of our blessed hope, living on the inside. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. It's impossible for a Christian to be owned by the devil. But can a Christian possess a devil, not demon possession, can a Christian possess a devil as in having a demon? Obviously, yes. Obviously, yes. And yet he provides no scripture whatsoever. And those that he does provide scripture for is totally out of context. Totally out of context. How can you be possessed with a demon, but not be demon possessed? You see the trickery? You see, he thinks that he's being smooth and being knowledgeable, but he's not. They both mean the same thing. They both mean the same thing. Demon possession, being filled with a demon, being indwelt by a demon, however term you want to use it. If you're attaching a demon to it, then that's what's controlling. And that is what is having authority. The question is, what does the Bible say regarding demon possession? And can a Christian, a true born again Christian be demon possessed? Not oppressed, possessed. That is the question. And if we know our Bibles, we would have to say emphatically, absolutely not. Not a true born again believer. The devil can mess with us. Yeah, he can. He can mess with you. But he cannot, if the Spirit of God is in us, occupy that which the Spirit of God feels. But let's look at the scriptures. Matthew chapter 12 verse 43 to 45 is one example. Now, when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, I will return to my house from which I came. And when it comes, it finds it unoccupied. There it is right there. Unoccupied, swept and put in order. Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits, more wicked than itself. And they go in and live there. And the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. So we don't see any any inclination or any thought or idea that that evil spirit that left the man came back and it was already filled with the Holy Spirit. No, the text says it was unoccupied. There was nothing. There was nothing. No one there. Now, the text says that he goes back and carries and brings seven other more wicked than himself or itself. And the last case is worse than the first. Do we find anywhere in scripture? I mean anywhere in scripture where a true spirit field born again and dwelt by the third person of the Trinity, Christian, being now possessed by a demon? Answer, no, we do not. Ephesians chapter one verse 13. The Bible says in him, you also talking to the believer, talking to Christians. You also after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, having also believed you were sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise who is given right there, who is given to us or who is given as a pledge of our inheritance with the view to the redemption of God's possession to the praise of his glory. Every born again believer has the indwelling permanent presence of the Holy Spirit. You don't have to go to a line to get a second blessing of him. You don't have to ask for him to come in you. No, no, no. Automatically the text says right there in him. You also after listening to the message of the truth of truth, the gospel of your salvation, having also believed you were sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise. You ain't got to lay on your face and do none of that stuff. None of that. You ain't got to miss work to tarry for him. None of that. He comes the moment you and I have been regenerated, been made alive. It's a simultaneous act. He immediately comes and takes up residence in the human soul. So Matthew 12, 43 to 45 is not talking about the believer. It's talking about the unbeliever. And the unbeliever can even have the outward looking and the outward trappings of being quote unquote saved or being quote unquote redeemed. But if the Holy Spirit of God is not controlling the life, it would be made evident in how that individual behaves. So the house can look clean all at once. It's the conduct that determines whether or not the house has been occupied and swept clean permanently. That's the issue. That's the point. Because Jesus records and says that when the demon left came back, it was unoccupied. It was unoccupied. The Spirit of God wasn't in that house. It's the Spirit of God, the house meaning the soul, the inner being of man. So according to Bagani, because we're still waiting. I know I'm still waiting on scripture to show. Where do we find new testament believers being possessed by a demon or being, what's the term? What's the term being possessed by the demon or being controlled by a demon? Whatever term he wants to use. Where is it in scripture? Who cleaned the house? It wasn't the Holy Spirit because it was the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit would take residence in it. So we know it's not the Spirit of God. Man made works, rehabilitation, but it wasn't regeneration. We know that because light and dark came to do it in the same place. Satan and the Savior don't occupy the same soul. That which is mighty has to give way to the Almighty. That much we know. Let's look at 1 John 4.4. 1 John chapter 4 and verse 4. It says, you are from God, little children. You, the you. I would assume John is talking about Christians. Surely, Bagani doesn't think that he's talking to unbelievers. He says, you are from God, little children. And have overcome them. Because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world. Isn't that something? Greater, he says, is he who is in you, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God. Greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world. The God of this world has nothing on the God of the universe. Once the Spirit of God takes residence in the human soul, Satan has no authority. He has no rights. We have now been taken, remember Colossians says, we've been taken from the domain of darkness and transferred into the kingdom of his beloved Son. There's a transfer. There's a right of ownership. Now we belong to God. We belong to Christ. We've been filled with the Spirit. We are his children. We have been adopted. We're no longer on the enemy's plantation working for him. We have a new master. We have a good master, a good Lord. We have a merciful savior, Christ the Lord. He's our King. Now we have the power and the ability to resist sin prior to conversion, prior to salvation. All we did was sin. Didn't care. We sinned because we loved it. Like I mentioned yesterday in yesterday's Bible study, when we've been made alive, now we have a disposition of hatred toward the thing that we used to love. Doesn't mean we're going to be perfect, but it does mean that we have new affections, new desires, new longings. So he tells us and these are, listen, these are indicatives. By the way, he says you are from God. Yeah. You are from God, present active indicative. This is who we are. We belong to him. You are from God, little children, and have overcome them. We have authority. Do y'all see this? We've overcome the world. He says because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world. Yeah. So if he's in us, how can a demon now possess us? I'll wait, Pagani. I'll wait. He's going to explain it later on. Maybe I'm not explaining it the way Pagani is explaining it because maybe I'm misrepresenting him, but I'll let Pagani tell you and I that what I'm saying is wrong because he's definitely going to try to correct us. Those of us who read our Bibles, yeah. First John 4, we just read that, right? Let's look at the fifth chapter, verse 19. First John 5, 19. We know that we are of God. What'd you say, John? What do you say, Apostle John? You say we'd what? We know that we are of God. And that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one or the wicked one. King James right here says it. Look, look over to the right of the screen. And we know that we are of God and the whole world lieth in wicked or in the wicked one. Yeah. The whole world. But wait a minute. We're not of the world. We're not of the world. So therefore, the world has no claim, no stake, no authority over us. Anything we do, we do by choice. We do because we want to. Because we're not submitting ourselves to the power of the spirit. That's why. Yeah, that's why, Alex. That's why. But hey, you know, Pagani, he tries to get deep. He tries to get spiritual with his with his possession, demon possession position and tries to give us analogies like this one. An example is let me give you an analogy. Every house has a spider. So let me ask you this question. Is your house spider possessed? Obviously not. But does your house possess a spider? Obviously, did you catch it? No, no, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't catch it. I'm sorry. No, no, we didn't catch it. We didn't catch it. Did y'all catch it? Again, maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. I didn't get it. So so now so now we're doing is he busy spider games? That's what it is. Okay, all right. Listen, I can't make this stuff up. I'm just I'm just playing the receipts. That's that's all I'm doing. Listen, I'm not taking this man's words out of context. The man said the man said it's like having a spider in your house. So now we're comparing demon possession to a spider. What in the Charlotte's web is going on here? I mean, what's really going on? Alex, is that the best you have, sir? Really spider? Okay, so so a spider controls the whole house. The whole entire house. So so I mean, the Bible said we just read that's why that's why I gave you all. That's why I gave you all Matthew 1243 to 45. One demon was giving this man a hard time and then it leaves the man. Comes back house swept. Looks like it's good temporarily. But there's nothing holding him. So he goes back and gets seven other of his partners. They go in and live there to Texas. And the last state is worse than the first. And this guy, this guy has the temerity and the utter audacity to compare demonic possession with the spider. And then he says, then he says, does is the house possessing the spider? Possessed is the house spider possessed? Or does the house have a spider being possessed? It's like what? Let me play it again. Let me just play it again. An example is let me give you an analogy. Every house has a spider. So let me ask you this question. Is your house spider possessed? Obviously not. But does your house possess a spider? Obviously, did you catch it? So did y'all get it? I don't know if you got it. Maybe, like I said, you know, because that's what that's what he is. That's what he's comparing it to. That's what he's comparing it to. That's what he's comparing it to, ladies and gentlemen. He said, hey, demon possession is like having a having a spider in it. Yep. But wait, there's more. We're not saying a Christian can be demon possessed. So when we say possess, we're not saying owned by. When we say possess, we mean as in having. I don't get what you believe. I don't get what you believe. Do y'all hear this foolishness? I mean, this is not even semantics. This is just stupidity. But you know what's worse? You have people that believe what this man is saying. And he's making absolutely no sense. None whatsoever. Listen to him again. We're not saying a Christian can be demon possessed. So when we say possess, we're not saying owned by. When we say possess, we mean as in having. I don't get what you believe. I don't get what you believe. So having being possessed are not the same things according to Pagani. But it seems like he keeps drilling down into this hole of utter foolishness and stupidity. I mean, again, I can't make this stuff up because the more he talks, the more he contradicts himself. Paul said, neither give place to the devil. So when a Christian violates Ephesians chapter four, not letting the sun go down on your wrath, that word wrath does not mean a demon. It means anger, the works of the flesh. But when the work of the flesh is not contained and crucified through the work of the Holy Spirit within us, then a stronghold becomes a strong man. So it started off as the work of the flesh in wrath, now could be a demon of wrath controlling the individual. Did y'all just hear what this man just said? You know, when I heard this video for the first time and I had to run this one back. Now, let me play it back again. Because I want to see if y'all caught it. I want to see if you caught what he said. So let me play it again and then I'm going to run it back slow, okay? Paul said, neither give place to the devil. So when a Christian violates Ephesians chapter four, not letting the sun go down on your wrath, that word wrath does not mean a demon. It means anger, the works of the flesh. But when the work of the flesh is not contained and crucified through the work of the Holy Spirit within us, then a stronghold becomes a strong man. So it started off as the work of the flesh in wrath, now could be a demon of wrath controlling the individual. Did y'all catch what he said? I don't want to give this one away. I'm asking you all, did y'all hear what he said? Did y'all hear what the man said? He talks about wrath, right? He said that wrath is not a demon. That's what he said. But listen, that's what he says on this one. That word wrath does not mean a demon, it means anger. That word wrath does not mean a demon, it means anger. But didn't just a minute ago, he said this? Paul said, neither give place to the devil. So when a Christian violates Ephesians chapter four, letting the sun go down on your wrath, that word wrath does not mean a demon, it means anger. The works of the flesh. But when the work of the flesh is not contained and crucified through the work of the Holy Spirit within us, then a stronghold becomes a strong man. So it started off as the work of the flesh in wrath, now could be a demon of wrath controlling the individual. But he just said that wrath is not a demon. That word wrath does not mean a demon, it means anger. So which one is it, Alex? Which one is it? Which one is it, Alex? Now, we know those of us who are Bible readers, we know what it is, we know what it means. So let's go to the scriptures and find out, shall we? The Bible says, be angry and do not sin. Do not let the sun go down on your anger, right? Did it say anger was a demon? Did it say that? No, it doesn't, does it? Do not let the sun go down upon your anger, being upset, very provoked. But nowhere does it mean demon, nowhere. Paragasmas does not mean demon. And it also says, and do not give the devil notice an opportunity, literally a place, not possession in the soul, a place. Give him an opportunity, give him a way for him to dominate, for him to control, for him to move. Not control your soul, not to indwell you, not to possess you. Nowhere does it say that. Remember, he's writing to Christians. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but there may be somebody in here. There may be someone in here who may believe that demons, I mean that anger is a demon, that wrath is a demon. It is not, it is emotion. It is an emotion, that is all it is. He says, be angry and yet do not sin. So yes, we have the biblical authority to be angry when necessary, but in our anger, we cannot allow our anger to cause us and drive us to sin. In other words, we need to check our emotions. And how do we know we can check our emotions? Because he tells us that we have the spirit of God. The spirit of God in Ephesians 1 is also the same spirit of where to walk by and be filled with the spirit and chapter five of Ephesians. So if we're filled with the spirit, we won't give the devil an opportunity or give the devil a place. Amen, Dinah. It can lead to sin. It can lead to sin if we are not self-controlled. And that is the key, that is the key. So what is Mr. Pagani talking about? Answer, we don't know. And to be honest with y'all, he don't know either. Pagani doesn't know either. Pagani doesn't know either. He think he knows, but he does not know. He has no clue what he's talking about, none whatsoever. And I think that's, for me, to me, that's the problem. That's the issue. Because to the naive, to the gullible, to the weak-minded, this man is getting the amens and the applause and all that. And those of us who are wise, only by the grace of God, because you know what, let's just keep it a stack. If it weren't for the grace of God, we'd be following Pagani's. We would be following some of the Pagani's. As a matter of fact, can we be even more real? And keep it really a stack? More so, keep it two stacks? Some of you have followed Pagani's of the world. Some of us have. And it was only by the grace of God, he opened our eyes. Do you hear me? So let's put a pin in this little discussion for a second. And let's step back and look at our life. And look at what we used to be prey to, and fall prey to, and fall prey for. And who we used to give our money to. And what conferences we used to break our neck to go see. And what seed line we would stand in. Come on, before we give Pagani too much work, let's reflect and remember a little bit where we came from. Some of us, some of us, some of us, some of us. Some of y'all still got you wanting to buy no more sheets, outfit that you wore back in the day. So let's just, for a minute, let's just stop for a second. Let's all of us stop for a second. Because I don't want us to get too, too far in, you know, in Pagani. I don't want us to play, I don't want us to play suppository and be all up in his behind. Let's, let's, let's step back. And remember what God has brought you and I from. Can we, can we do that for a second? Can I, can I take a moment if y'all don't mind? Just, just a brief moment. Just a brief, brief, brief moment. Dianna, get the organ for me ready. Get the, get the, get the, get the organ ready for me, Dianna. Put me in, put me in B, please. Put me in B or C sharp. I don't even know notes, but I did this sounding good. But listen, but listen, let's go, let's go back a little bit. Let's, let's remember where we came from for just a second, just a second. Titus chapter three, you got me sis, you got me. All right, all right. Cool, cool. Listen, listen, listen to me. Titus says, remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing consideration for all men. Why, why Paul? For we too, for we also were once foolish ourselves. Yeah, he's, he says, we too, we too, don't, don't forget. Don't forget now. For we also once were foolish ourselves. Disobedient, deceived, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures. Look, look at these plurals. Lord have mercy. Lusts, pleasures, huh? Spending our life in malice, I mean, just thinking of ways to get back at a foe. An envy, hateful, hating one another. But when the kindness of God, our savior and his love for mankind appeared, he saved us. Bless his name. I said, bless his name, saints. Bless his name. But when the kindness of our God and savior and his love for mankind appeared, he saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to his mercy, not giving us what we deserve. That's mercy by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit. Can we just for a second, never, ever, ever, ever, ever forget where you come from. We've heard that before, haven't we? We've heard that before. Parents would tell us, old folk would tell us, don't forget where you come from. We need to remember that in the spiritual realm. Don't forget where you've come from. Don't forget, may we never forget where God has brought you and I from. So when we see the foolishness, when we see the, the, the sheer deception, I mean, we see it without, don't, don't, let's not, listen, let's not ignore it. Don't deny it. Let's not, not confront it. No, we need to confront it. But while we confront, let us reflect. While we're confronting, while we're calling out sin, while we're exposing the evil deeds of darkness, let us remember, if not and but not for the grace of God, you and I will be following right along these cults, these pimp preachers, these false teachers and thinking that we're doing the work of God. Don't forget, don't forget, remember that, remember that song we used to sing, Jesus, I never forget what you've done for me. Jesus, I never forget how you set me free. Jesus, I never forget how you brought me out. Jesus, I never forget. No, never. Some of us need to remember that because some of us have forgotten. And then the, then the song writer says, how can I forget what you've done for me? How can I forget how you set me free? How can I forget how you brought me out? How can I forget? No, never. And then they go on to shout, never, never forget, never, never forget. It's those, it's those simple songs that sometimes have the most substance to simple things. And I pray by God's grace that we never forget. We never forget. Again, but for the grace and mercy of God. There go I, there go we, there go us. Yeah, that was a freebie, y'all. That was free, that was free, that was free. Where did I left off at? Where did I leave off at? I think I left off at what he, him, he was talking about what, what was it? Yeah, he's on my raft. I think it was in my raft. Let me, let me play it again, make sure I got it. And need not I say more of the various stories of pastors and ministers and leaders all over the country that have successful ministries yet are struggling with alcohol, struggling with anger, their marriages on the way. Let me, let me run that one back. I'll play this other one first. So how do you remove it? Submit yourself to God to resist the devil and he will flee. That is preventative protection. But what do you do? When that has been not carried out and the person has a demon, ministry of deliverance, you remove it. See, and there's a problem, Alex, because you're not, you're not providing scripture in its intended context. Because where in scripture does it tell us that Christians have a demon and it needs to be removed? Remember, remember now, he's the same guy that said that he never said that Christians can be demon possessed, but they can have a demon. What? It means the same thing. And again, this is not even semantics. This is just stupidity. Being guys is being spiritual and being deep and he's not deep. This is, this is, this is not even kiddie pool deep. You could even, you can even drown a net with this superficial interpretation because he's basing it on the devil. He's basing it on experience. He's not basing it on the clear, true exposition of the scriptures. He can't, he can't. The Bible says, yes, resist the devil and he will flee from you. It never said, in fact, if you think about it this way, remember Paul's thorn in the flesh. He didn't say his thorn in the spirit, thorn in the flesh. He didn't say that he had a demon in his, in his spirit and notice what, and notice what Paul did. He said, I prayed to the Lord three times that he removed this from me. But wait a minute, Paul, you had the gift of healing. You, you, you could cast out the devils and demons. Wait a minute. You, you, you have, you were given the gift to cast out devils, to cast out demons. Why, why didn't you do it to yourself? In fact, in fact, when Timothy, who, who the, who the apostle writes to about his stomach problems, we may call them ulcers or gastronom, you know, gastronitis or whatever. He didn't cast that quote unquote demon spirit of the stomach aches out. He says, Timothy, drink a little wine for your stomach's sake. And you're often infirmities. The Bible says Paul, who had the gift of healing and had the gift to cast out devils. He left his own friend trofambus sick and Miletus. In fact, our own Lord didn't heal everybody and didn't cast devils out of everyone. And Mark the gospel, he left, he left. The next morning he says, I'm, I'm sent to, to preach. He said, that's, that's why I came for, I wouldn't, I wouldn't sit here just to, you know, my primary mission was it's not to heal, heal the soul. Yeah. But these guys that have you thinking believe that, hey, it's our right. It's the right of the believer to be healed. It's the, we have the authority to cast out devils. No, we don't. The authority we do have, we're to resist him and notice resist is not mean to rebuke. It does not mean to rebuke. I'm sorry. Resist, it means to hold your ground, stand your ground, standing in the authority of your position as a believer. And the text says, and he will flee from you. The devil will flee from you. He didn't say if he, if he keeps coming back to cast the devil out, didn't say that. He said, is this a devil and he'll flee. And oh, can I just add one more point? We're almost done. Can I add one more point? If you don't mind. When we're praying, I don't, just just hear me out. Hear me out. When we're praying and we're supposed to be praying to God, can you make sure, can we make sure that we're not talking to the devil while we're praying to God? Just add, just, just a suggestion. I mean, if, if prayer is communication to our father, then why would I want to pray to somebody who ain't my daddy? I'm just, I'm just saying, dear, I mean, maybe it's just you and I in the chat. Maybe it's just you and I in the chat tonight, dear. Maybe, maybe you're the only one that gets what I'm saying. Sometimes it's always like that. Yeah, yeah. You know, you know, if the devil, listen, if the devil has no authority in our lives, and he doesn't, and we don't belong to him, why are we talking to strangers? Isn't that what we used to tell our kids back in the day when we, you know, don't talk to strangers? The devil is a stranger. Don't talk to him. Why would you talk to him? Especially while you're praying to God. I know it sounds quote unquote deep, but it really doesn't. It brother, it happens. Listen, ask your average charismatic. And this is no diss. And guess my brothers and sisters of charismatic, but they know what I'm talking about. They listen, I don't have to make up what I know is true because I've been around it. I got family members that do it. Not in my immediate family, but I got family members that do this. And we're, and we're sitting, we're holding hands and praying and stuff. And next thing I know, and Satan, we bind you. What do we wait? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, time out. Wait a minute. Why are we talking to him? Didn't we first off say our father? We come to you and all this stuff. So what, what did the devil got to do this? Just saying. But yeah, bro, ask your, ask the average charismatic. Hey, when y'all are praying, can you tell me why y'all talk to the devil when y'all, when y'all praying to God? Oh, oh, and they can, they can tell you. They can tell you even Michael, the Archangel and Jude. Didn't rebuke him. He said the Lord rebuke you and we're talking about Mike, the Archangel. He didn't even say I bind you and I rebuke you. You know, he said Satan, the Lord rebuke you. That's what he said. But we, listen, and I go far, I go as far as to say this, it's really pride and ignorance. Some, some blind ignorance because they've been taught this and some is just willful ignorance. You honestly think that the devil is going to move because of you? I mean, really? And here's another question I want to know. Pagani, you live in New York or in the Bronx? I know you live in New York. Why don't you change your communities, bro? I mean, if y'all got all this power in the door, I mean, it's, listen, you in New York, I don't know where these other guys are at, but y'all in these different areas, you would think that your communities in your city would be demon free. You would think all I know is when I read in the book of Acts, when I read the scriptures, when Christians gather together and when the gospel, listen, when the gospel invades the soul, when the gospel comes into the heart of a human being, it changes societies. It changes communities. It changes the areas that they live. That's what I read. How y'all got all this power? But y'all still have weak communities, weak churches. Just asking. Just asking and just, just something I wanted to know. Forgive me for asking. And need not I say more of the various stories of pastors and ministers and leaders all over the country that have successful ministries yet are struggling with alcohol, struggling with anger, their marriages on the rocks. Obviously, a lot of it is the work of the flesh, failure of counseling, mental illness. We're not discounting that. But then there are moments where it is a demon. So are these men of women of God possessed by a demon? Absolutely not. But do these men and women of God possess a demon? Ephesians 4, yes. We just read Ephesians 4. We just read Ephesians 4. Where does it say anything, anything about them having a demon? Where? I mean, do I need to put it up again? There's nowhere. Anywhere in the scriptures where the Bible says that these believers have a demon. None. But yet, Pagani will have you and I to believe that, yeah, they have a demon. And listen and listen to the so-called wordplay again. And need not I say more of the various stories of pastors and ministers and leaders all over the country that have successful ministries yet are struggling with alcohol, struggling with anger, their marriages on the rocks. Obviously, a lot of it is the work of the flesh, failure of counseling, mental illness. We're not discounting that. But then there are moments where it is a demon. So are these men of women of God possessed by a demon? Absolutely not. But do these men and women of God possess a demon? Feasons four. Yes. Let's go to the scripture one more time. I started verse 17. I was at verse 27 last time. Maybe I missed something. So this I say and affirm together with the Lord that you no longer walk just as the Gentiles also walk in the futility of their mind, then darken in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart. Verse 19. And they haven't become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way. If indeed you have heard of him and have been taught in him just as truth is in Jesus, that in your reference, that in reference to your former matter of life, you lay aside the old self. Which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit. And that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind and put on the new self, which is in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. Be angry. Verse 26. Be angry and yet do not sin. Do not let the sun go down on your anger and do not give the devil an opportunity. It says nothing, Alex. Nothing about demonic possession. That is something that you are making up. Yeah, there are different, there are different levels, but I authentically believe that we're just fighting about a homonym. And the war is the war of etymology. Just the origin and the proper use of different words. What we're saying is demonized, which means under the influence, not owned by under the influence, under the influence. Isn't that the same as being possessed, being filled? You know, Ephesians 5.18 tells us that we'd have to be drunk with wine for that anticipation, but be filled, be being filled with the spirit. Be under the control and authority of the spirit. But this guy, once again, will have you and I to believe that they're different. And again, also, because he's not making any differentiation, but if he's talking to a believer or we're talking to a non-believer, but we know he's talking to a believer because he keeps making that statement about pastors and missionaries and this person and that person. So Alex, you're a liar. You do believe that Christians can be demon-possessed, demonized, filled with a demon. They're all one and the same. And you have no scripture whatsoever. Not one text supports your point, not one. Let me say it again, myself, the demon slayers, and let me just say this, demon slayers, the term is not in the Bible. That is a nickname of terms of endearment that we call each other. It's not found in scripture. So don't get caught up with the way in the Bible is the term demon slayer. It is not. It's a term of endearment that we call each other and it just caught on. That's all it is. It's a joke between us that ended up becoming something that God is using. So God is using demon slayers? Now correct me if I'm wrong, because again, maybe it's just me who try to get the understanding of a word. So I'm going to ask those of you who are in the chat, Facebook family, please chime in. I'll look at your comment if you populate it on the screen. What does the word slay mean? Can someone pull up the word slay or slew? Because maybe my understanding, once again, oh silly me, I don't understand what the word sleigh means. So I need somebody smarter than me whose pencil is sharper than mine is, whose tool is sharper in the shed than mine is. I need somebody to educate me in this life as we're teaching and understanding what the Bible says. I need somebody to tell me in the comments and I'll populate it. What does the word sleigh mean? Let's see. Let's see. Some people have said, monkey moves say it means to kill. Do I have another? Because about a test in one or two, if they're witnesses, they'll be established, right? They'll be fact, be established, right? Vinod, you said kill. David says it means to kill. Vigilant says to kill. Dana to kill. Leonzo kill. Shonda kill. Yeah, I don't know how it's a term of indifference, but see again, I want to make sure I'm being fair here. David says, I don't think they're out killing demons. Maybe you are. I don't know. My wife says sleigh slew slain slew. Kill in a violent way. Okay, sleigh be great. I know he's gonna come up with sleigh to kill violently, wantonly or in great numbers. Yeah, because they're demon slayers, plural. Bobby kill. Okay, Deacon kill. Okay. Yeah, help help my wife, help help my wife Christina slew. She she's so petty. See, I think I be paid all the time. My wife can be paid at some time too, y'all. To kill violently, to overwhelm as with laughter or to love, to put to death with a weapon or by violence, hence to kill or to put to an end to, to destroy. Yes, she is. It is always what I think about when I hear Dean. So, so, so maybe, maybe, maybe we don't understand what, what, what Alex is saying. You maybe, do y'all think that's the, that's the possibility? Is it possible? Maybe we don't understand what he's talking about. Maybe we're the slow ones in the bus. Sheila, you're wrong for that. You're wrong for that. Okay, so my next question is how do you slay a demon? How do you, how do you, how do you kill spirits? I thought the only one who had the power to do that would be God. They're going to be destroyed in the final judgment in Lake of Fire. I don't, I don't, I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to understand how, how are you making that your, your term of endearment? You said that Alice become a pastor quickly. Was he a new convert when he started teaching me? It's possible nowadays. It's possible. I wonder how he became an apostle. I never met a 2023 year old apostle before, never. So it's the, everything's new. Everything's new for me now. But yeah, I, when, when, when do we find God using demon slayers? That's, that's my point. That's, that's my point. But before he ends his interview with the, with the John Matarazzo, before he ends the interview with this guy, he, you know, he got to promote his brand. And don't even let me get started on generational curses. Shameless plug. September of 2023, the part two to this book, the secrets to generational curses will be released by Charisma. Why do we gotta wait till September? Why, if it was me, if I have some generational curses on me, why do I have to, why should we have to wait that long? Why I gotta wait five months to be delivered? Four feet. Because I'm pretty sure you ain't giving all those books away for free, Alex. But it's the shameless plug, right? Yeah, you got that right. But why, why does, why does people, why do people have to wait five months to be delivered? To be set free. Four feet, again, mind you. Now remember, y'all, for the second time, I didn't want to put up the, you know, the document. Remember the sheet that he had that we read about a month ago? The one-on-one, the one-on-one ministry of deliverance packet. Yeah, that one, remember that? Again, these people don't have a clue what they're talking about, but they'll have you to believe or have you to want to believe that they do. And they don't, at all. But for a fee, he'll tell you how to get free. He'll tell you how to be delivered from these quote-unquote generational curses. When you are in Christ, the curse has been broken. Christ has become our curse. He's become our curse. Because curse is the man, or curse is the one who's been, who's hung on the tree. Christ has been our curse. He was made a curse for us, so I cannot be cursed. Because I'm in Christ now. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain about those words. And really, we're using the wrong terms anyway, because the Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. Come on. So, I mean, when we're talking about the New Testament in Greek, so we're even using the wrong words in English. So our limited understanding is causing confusion. And that is one of the things that really keeps people at an arms length from this ministry that really brings freedom. Amazing. So, because we don't have the actual language, this guy is claiming that because we don't have Hebrew and Greek, well, I do. I do. And nowhere does it teach that Christians can be possessed by the Aminoids. Nowhere. Let me see if I can find one. Let me see. Nope. Nope. Mark 7. Jesus said to her, because of this answer, go, the demon has gone out of your daughter. Didn't say that she was a Christian before the demon came into her. Just saying. I mean, remember Jesus was accused of having a demon? By the Jews. I'm just, anyway, I can try to pull up some. But for the sake of time, I don't want to. But there's no account, none whatsoever. None whatsoever. Where believers can be demon possessed. We can be oppressed. We can have demons or the devil mess with us. But never possess us. And we still have authority over the devil. That's why the Bible says resist him and he will flee. Because we have authority. The authority comes in Christ. It is not in ourselves. Not in ourselves. So, brothers and sisters, ladies and gentlemen, understand this, please, that although Christ has won the victory, we still have an enemy to contend with. And actually, there's three. We have the world, the flesh, and the devil. And all three, God has given us the authority to overcome. Anything that we now do as Christians, we have the power to resist when it comes to sin. We need to remember that. And also, we need to remember that there is a real devil. I think a lot of us from the non-charismatic side, we want to ignore the existence or the reality of the demonic. No, demons are real. Demons are real. Demons are very real. And we should have a biblically healthy fear, and I'm talking about in the sense of not fear the devil, but an understanding that we don't walk around acting as though he does not exist, because now he has us. So, not necessarily a fear, but having awareness. We need to have a biblically healthy awareness of satanic activity. And if you don't believe that Satan is real, number one, God help you. Number two, look at your neighborhood. Matter of fact, I'll encourage you to watch the news tonight. That'll show you that the devil is real. That'll show you that demons exist. That'll show you that there's evil in this world. If that doesn't show you, I don't know what else would. But if you don't believe that the devil or demons are real, look at what happened yesterday in New York. Yeah, principalities and powers. Yeah, we are witnessing the demonic almost every day. Almost every day. But we ought to be encouraged. Be encouraged because our redemption draw at night. Be encouraged because one day, by God's grace, this will all be over. One day, we'll have to worry about all this. I want to encourage you as well, and I'm done. But I wanted to say this. Now is not the time for us as Christians to quit, because what else does the world have? Because once the church is gone, you think this is bad? Please, please. You ain't seen nothing. Once the restrainer is taken out of the way and the church is gone, it's a wrap. I believe because of the elect, because of those of us who are salt and light, we can make a change. But we are not to give ground to the enemy. Now is not the time to punk out. Now is the time for the priests of believers to stand up. And whatever sphere and whatever context he has you in, we are to occupy until he returns. If we're salt and light, then be that. Be that. Be that in your home first. Let's start there. Let's start in our Jerusalem's first. Before we go into the other most parts of the earth, because we have the butt backwards in the church today. We want to go out to the other most parts of the earth. Go across the world. We came and we came and go across the room and minister to our own families, making sure that their soul is right. No, no, no. Before you go to the other most parts of the earth, hit up Jerusalem first, then Judea, then Samaria, then go out to the other most parts of the earth. Let's make sure our houses by God's grace are in order to the best of our ability. We can't save anybody, but we can give them the Savior. We can do that. And I pray that those of us who are believers, I pray that those of us who name the name of Christ will be faithful in doing that. We are to be involved as much as possible to make sure that we can have some sense of a peaceful existence as much as possible. Because if we just step back and let Eve will just run its course, then we are derelict in our duties. Get involved in any way we can as a spirit of God leads us to be faithful in that. The reason why I say that is because I was watching Jason Whitlock and he was talking about, you know, seceding. I ain't going nowhere. I ain't going nowhere. And I really pray that someone disciples Jason, man. I really do. Yeah, I just hope you all hear my heart, man. Just hear my heart for a minute. I really do. I don't know what Virgil and David, Shannon and them are doing. I don't know what these guys are doing. I don't know. I don't know what Delano and them are doing. I hope and pray they are talking to this brother behind the scenes. But the brother, he's in, he's in behind that mic. We don't be careful. We have to be careful about what we say. Because he has far more influence than I do as far as the number standpoint. And I just, I just want to help the brother. You know, hey, man, look, you got you to who much is given, much is required, my friend. Much is required. You need to watch your six because not everybody that's on your team is rooting for you like you think. But anyway, if y'all like this video, please share the video. Please let others know about this broadcast and about this channel. It is helpful for us to continue to put out content. 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