 We are missing one board member and we kind of expect him to show up, but we'll start without him We have two applications tonight I think we have all the applicants here Our zoning administrator who is also the acting applicant for our first application When we was asked, everybody intends to give testimony in this board meeting tonight on either one of these cases Please raise your hand And you square tell truth not the truth So first application is several month chamber of commerce and the program probably works board That's for a waiver for a pump station for a side yard setback. Thank you, Mr. Chair Yep, so I've got a map here of the project that I need to explain In openness I have discussed this application with the zoning administrator who I didn't realize was going to be applicant But I don't think it will interfere with my ability to make a judgment against him So as For a couple years now, I've been the staff for the Berlin public board board and One of their initiatives is to look at bringing I came early and now I'm like So the one of the initiatives that the Berlin public's work for is is Taking on right now is to bring Gravity sewer service from the intersection of 62 in paint turf pipe north north to the intersection of fish Fisher Road and paint turbine pipe north There's currently no gravity nose service sewers service from about this point on the map to that point on the map in August of 2018 the town voted a 2.2 million dollar bond initiative to get this work done What this this work does it eliminates several? Very aged infrastructure current infrastructure pieces Right now on this section of town on the south side of 62 Yeah, it's serviced by gravity lines and goes to a pump station behind the The 802 Honda pump station is about 40 years old It's a force main through some wetlands here through this section goes to manhole, which then gets conveyed down there is a the school has a pump station here and It's I believe it's 25 years old force main goes through this wetland over to manhole at the at the mall The fire station has a relatively newer municipal pump station that pumps down to this section connects to the to the schools force main and Over here. There's a private pump station Which is earmarked to be replaced in the next 12 months and it's shared by Northville Savings Bank Chamber of Commerce and With superior development for these properties here that that they are developing The plan for this This system will eliminate all of those pump stations here And what we're asking to is to add a new pump station on the Chamber of Commerce Property and we're looking asking the developer view board to grant a waiver to the site setback Basically, if you look at this drawing here It's so we can really stay as much out of the chambers paved area and not tear that up So that's really the main focus of us asking for this This setback requirement our original plans where I'll get into this but for a couple reasons The name was financial Ideally, we would like to have taken this whole top area of town by gravity sewer down to a This is the city multi-colors water treatment plant down here. They have a siphon system down Down here that they send their wastewater from their water treatment process for various reasons We would generate too much too much solids for that to It's a it's a double Siphon system and we just thought there's gonna be too much maintenance So the grand scheme if we're all around here in the future would be to take Take it through gravity and this connects over here and down In the city of line to a manhole down here at the city that would eliminate all pump stations up in this area You may or may not know that all Municipal sewage is controlled by the town of Berlin goes to a main pump station on group 302 Down there But where the old taco building was down there So all of the town's wastewater goes through that pump station it itself is 40 plus years old We really would have liked to have taken this volume off of that pump station just the Helps with its longevity, but financially didn't make sense So what we're what we're asking for on this project Was on this This diagram here is This is 62 by gravity of sewer sewage wastewater won't be conveyed down through via manholes and They will put a pump station on this on the property a Velvau and this this will be a Generator on this parking space up in here to service this case. There's any power outages This then will be conveyed by by force main up to a manhole just off outside the site psychiatric hospital So that's the that's the project in the nutshell Not that's material this application. Have you been using the same force name? No Is this the only property that this is affecting Well if what it does it'll I mean we're bringing sewer service from all these properties, so they'll have a You know, I just met it Yeah, that's correct just that property. Yes This is actually going to be the only structure above ground all this is going to be At at or below grade except the generator the generator will be above ground Well, the pump station itself will be below ground. It will be the valve ball will be below ground will be I See and the generator is more than 15 feet from the side with from the yes Yep, so don't the only part that will be within the setback requirement will be underground correct Our waiver requirements It asks us to address Ready for issues Which the African In his textic bios with But let me just ask you paraphrase. Yes first a reference to specific dimensional standards the great place the applicant is requesting a waiver from We are Section 2106d5 the site setback in this residential zoning district is 15 feet minimum We are asking per the regulations section 2540 502 allows the RB to prove a 50% setback of that to seven and a half feet and I didn't pick up on this but the setback only pertains to the low ground Facilities, this is all yes correct And but only for this property or because elsewhere you're going to be within You'll be with a highway right away. We're going down the highway water right away. Yep. Yeah, that was at one time We talked about other alternates Alternatives but through archaeological wetlands and all that stuff. It just was end of the day going down the town right away was most economical Yes direct It does but it's just cheaper to go. You're not if you don't have to dig up pavement replacement. It's you know But then you're dealing with easements and all that In Tom and I had this conversation so again to be open He's requesting a variance from the waiver from the side yard setback The question is this really has two front yards He's had this this like one has frontage on two different roads So does it have a does it have a backyard or side yard? The definitions clearly say when you have two frontage is on roads you have only side yards Either your frontage or a side yard It was considered a rear. What's that? Is it the different side? It is. Yes. Yeah, the waiver would have to be something considered a little less But that's not the case The next criteria is that the development The right place Why don't I'm trying to correlate what you wrote with what they said here There was a hose land will not stand to permanently pair the lawful use of development addition property. Where's where's that in here? Ah Okay Okay and It will the proposed development will not really alter the essential essential character of the area So there's a it's a wastewater pump station involved and those are those are below ground The there's a generator and a service panel which are pretty common units throughout this area I believe more felt savings bank has one the school has one there are numerous examples of Generators above ground generators. This will be a sound attenuated diesel generator that we're looking to put in here So I don't think it'll Cause any concern with with with the uses of the the neighboring and of the of the area It's on a fairly busy road there paint turnpike north Is what There'll be these rows that there's trees here now But they'll most but these will be gone and we will plant trees Back in through here. This is this is all below ground. You'll see just It'll be the building right generated building it'll be in the sound attenuated. Yes Tom where that where this is where the these two structures will be the pump station and the valve bolt Yes, what is there now right in that spot? Two trash containers in a concrete pan there they're going to be placed right in front of the generator, okay, and in front and so Did it would did you look into the possibility? Since the underground did you look into the possibility of locating those outside of the setback area? We didn't in the chamber was pretty adamant this the new paving here That we will disturb some of the pavement as part of this project and they were comfortable with our remediation of that But on the go-forward they would just rather not have to have any traffic over there over their pavement So we tried to make make it as pavement friendly as we as we could so is it Is it I mean you wouldn't be able to put this in a parking lot and just drive over it cuts on the ground? You can't you could no you absolutely could again it was their preference their requirement of Us not being on their pavement They're under their pavement under their pavement. Yeah, yeah I Well, you have to maintain those vaults and the pump station routinely so yes It's think of it as these covers is a when you drive down the street and you see a sewer Mad hole. It's basically what it is We'll not the public the the proposed element will not be detrimental to public health safety welfare My opinion is it would only enhance public safety and welfare it eliminates these three aged infrastructures some of them going through sense at a wetland areas to a much more energy efficient and shorter shorter on the They'll actually go down the down The town right away and into a manhole here So the distance is Significantly less than any of our pump stations here. So I believe it's going to improve the The health and safety of the town these are actually getting removed It won't be removed It'll be abandoned what the what they do is is you Clean them out as best you can then you cap the ends. Yep Yeah, I only want to venture a guess on the quality of that piping Neither would I And lastly the proposed land development is Beneficial or necessary for continued reasonable use of the property again the Who benefits from this are the sewer users is it's the fee based sewer system here It's not tax tax base. It's it's user based So who benefits is is really the customer base of which the central Vermont Chamber of Commerce is is is a customer their current customer of of the town town of Berlin In the long run I believe All these properties along this road benefit from having And I have this drawing here If you want to see it, but we put water in 2016 now putting sewer in 2019 I believe that adds Significant values to properties on either side of that and turn ads to the town's grand list which Which helps all taxpayers But you as you point out the Chamber of Commerce is a customer. So in that sense, it is beneficial to them. They are yeah They would like to get out of the sewage pumping business That's it, you know, they have You know, you have responsibilities when it's your own pump station Comments Notice was given to the joining landowners. Yes, and this is part of it Yeah You'll probably get to this traffic during construction Yeah, that's we'll have Likely be because we're gonna go right down the road. We're gonna have one-way traffic does as you control it We hope to begin Construction yet this fall which will work on this lower end and then work our way up It was an interesting piece of engineering I'll the verge a little bit. So so the tricky piece from the timing was this route 62 crossing It's it's a limited-access highway. You can't dig a highway So you may recall that are When we did our water line we pushed a a conduit piece of pipe underneath that that Underneath that that road We were hoping it came to fruition that that that piece of pipe was Was a grade that goes, you know, like this but allow gravity sewer So we're actually gonna we're gonna relocate our water line and bring it across here and save that sleeve for our sewer line so we don't You know, it's maybe a 50-50 chance of doing that again. So I don't know if I answered your question But I thought it was pretty cool. We got around that I always thought setbacks and being Not required but useful to create some separation between buildings to you know, loud neighbors not to bump into neighbors First place I'd say well, this is all in the ground. So it's not covered by the setback rules But I guess it is a structure structure structure includes underground Things that are built underground. So I guess it is That's new to these regulations I always felt there's a problem with our old regulations somebody could put a gas tank Right next to your index to your property line Without regard to setback, but there's 70 tank mr. Your property line, but they're at least field when it's your property line There are other rules of government these fields, right? Yeah Just struck me as This time around So the I do think that In hindsight probably a waiver of a waiver They should be a broader scope of waiver for these kind of I Was looking for it and wasn't Really think we need is some kind of Underground structure as long as we recognize this there is permitted We should be able to weigh in the distance if it's appropriate. Yeah We're visiting the regulations, so we're thinking about them Okay, any other comments or questions Will the You're the only one I had Second most been made and seconded close the hearings and discussion on motion Hearing none all those in favor of the motion. Please see if I was saying hi I We're obviously working with our reporting secretary who's only here, I should acknowledge that from the beginning, however we are being reported and she will rely on the tape and the video here. I will, if your backs are going to be to the video, but she'll have all this information and she was here for the previous years. I also want to add that this is the same application we reviewed and approved, however we approved it under a different set of regulations. We have a standing condition in our subdivisions that I believe it's 180 days that the necessary facts need to be filed with the town clerk and that did not happen so which then we did the. So this is all Rick Belfall? It is. Who would have known? I know. So this is all being taken up under the new regulations? It is, yes. So this is the same? It's no different? No different. No different? Couldn't recall. I thought it was one of the laws that would be subreddit again or something. And I did share with the board today, the state of Moana has issued a letter of intent for this project. They seem to be happy with the curb cut down there. We did not get that, we didn't seek that the first time around. So we're going to subdivisions, right? I did. I did. Everybody's going to testify. I have been supported. How many pages that, Mr. Chairman? It's a 333. These are the standards. There's another section on procedure, but there's the standards that we're interested in. And because they're slightly different, the same standard, but there's, you know, we may recall we recently had a minor subdivision that we went through. We have to decide whether the criteria is applicable. If it is, does this application, as it came before us before, meet those criteria? And before I do that, let me just ask the applicant, do you have any comments with regard to this application we should be aware of? I don't believe so at all. I think they're good. Tom, anything you want to add to? No. It's just a clinical error of why we're here, I think. Okay. And so the criteria, some of these standards are suitability of the land. Well, I should say, first of all, the capacity of the, this is, I'm reading 3502. I'm going to page 363. It asks us to consider the capacity of the community facilities and utilities. Local school, police, road, parks, recreation facilities, water supply, and solid waste disposal facilities. And you addressed these before. Is there anything that we need to know here? I mean, we know that this is not a town road issue. No, and we have, as I said, we have a letter of intent from the state of Vermont. They seem to be happy with the application. Chief Wolf got another notice from him, a review, and he didn't have any concerns with it. I did not hear back from Chief Defrain on the fire piece. And water and wastewater is individual or in sources, which have been approved by the state of Vermont. I did notice that in the plans here, it says revised 4319 by WSC to change lot number six to a four bedroom design. And yet, if I look at this document from the state, it says lot number six. Is it for construction of a three bedroom single-family residence? This is more, gotta be a new apartment than that one. This is March 14th of 19th. That's pretty new. Excuse me, I'm sorry, that's the one the town clerk got it. Carl, this is March 7th of 19th. This is April 18th. This one's been filed. I think this is it. That's the last page, Richard. That's where Carl signatories, you know, on this one. Yeah. March. April 18th. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. So this has been updated in this one? Yeah. I'm going to make a copy. Sure. Yeah. Oh, just eagle eyes. What are they saying about give a monkey, give a monkey's enough time they could, enough days they could write the works of Shakespeare. Just takes long enough to eventually listen to someone. Does anybody want a copy of this? No. No? In regard to the cash, you would be cool. We'll give that back. Do you want to just verify with their son? Yeah. For the record, that water and wastewater already is 3505C. So we were just talking about the capacity of the community and did not affect, does not point out, did not affect municipal or municipal sewer. Here's the other page. Right. I'm sorry. Yeah. Next criteria is suitability of the land. One of the sub criteria is the subject of periodic flooding and drainage problems. We do know parts of the problem. Parts for the project are within the 100 year flood plain. All of the development has been proposed as above the 100 year flood. Yeah. Section 3504, design and configuration of parcel boundaries. And there's a number of sub criteria here. Do any feeling need to go through these? I only had, I'm not sure if this is the place for or not in regards to those drive. I don't remember back to the original. Thinking about people exiting the property at night time of lights going against the other way of the traffic. Were you, did we talk about the planting of shrubs or anything like that to stop that? No. I don't think that's going to be the case because you're actually, it's going to be down. Quite a bit of difference in elevation. So they'd be coming up to pull out. Yeah. Like, you know, when they come down the actual driveway, you know, you're going to be down, you know, going parallel to it anyway. So the only time that you're going to. Exit. Yeah. Yeah. Exit for the people coming this way. Yeah. I think it's just like any other driveway when someone drives out, you know, you're going to be pointing your headlights somewhere out there. I don't, you know, I mean, I don't know what to say about this. I think that that. I just couldn't remember what to talk about. Again, the state is issuing an LOI on it. They're, they're all over that kind of stuff. And they were, when I talked to McEvoy, he was pretty happy that it was a single entry. Oh yeah. He turned us around in two days or he thought it was going to take four weeks that he was, he was pretty happy with it. There's no question that have it in single entry for four lots is to obviously everyone's advantage. It's certainly the traffic public. So impact on the road, which discuss later is, is minimalized. The, I see no problems with this. You know, I. What's the minimum road crash? Or do we know? I don't know. All right. We do. It meets it. It's RL 40. 120 feet, I think. You must be looking at the one where it's got. The curve. The curve. Yeah, I got the curve. Remember we had that last time? Yeah. None of these spaces haven't changed. No. We haven't changed that. But our standards have changed. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Frontage didn't change. Did that change? No. It's 120 feet. That's what we use last time. The lot dimensions. And again, this is where you're going. Meets the frontage requirements and so forth. I don't see any problems with this. I'm not sure how to address it in terms of findings. Still grappling with how to address the ordinance here. There are a lot of lines that are quite angry. I think in general, in my opinion, it applies with the requirements of a lot of interest. Yeah, that's the first time I've heard those sort of long, skinny walks. Refrel. Tell us where. Yep. Kind of. And also the flag type lots. Yes. You have a narrow frontage and give the ignorance that they're all over the place. One lot obviously does have a fair amount of a lot number one. Six. No, it's three. Oh, three, yeah. It has a fair amount of property out behind, but it's not necessary to meet long acreage requirements. It's just the way that they've done it. Yeah. So you provided building envelopes on each one of the lots. This criteria is very viable for C. And identify an area which building can be built. You do show a building location, per se, but is that kind of where you're thinking about building them? I think for the most part, you know, the layout of the land, we want to, you know, we don't want everybody to line right up. So I'm doing them set back kind of a little bit, makes it look kind of nice. It needs trees. The property needs trees. There's nothing there. We do get the landscaping here in about a minute. But right now, we're talking about the design layout of necessary improvements. And I think the only improvement that's common to these lots is the road, the access road. It does not serve more than three lots, in my opinion. So it does not need to meet road standards. Is that how you read the ordinance, Tom? No, it's a curveball to me. Maybe I didn't, I don't know the answer to that. I was wondering about that, too. The access serves more than three lots, but the road that serves four, five, and six is only three lots. So I interpret that road as not need to meet town road standards. That's really what I'm talking about. That makes sense, Bob. However, if we built it to town road standards, would you maintain it? No. Only if you get it accepted. There we go. I'll speak for the slight moment. But they do insist that private roads do meet town road standards for a number of private roads that don't. But that begs the question, because we've talked about it in the past. Is there a maintenance agreement on this driveway with these individual lots? We'll have that on the end. It's good if it's an idea. That's right. People don't always look at it that way. All four parties should be part of the maintenance agreement. Maybe we want to be written differently, because one lot is using less. Nothing but the entranceway, but there's still the entranceway to be maintained. So would that be a condition of any permit here? It would be. You're ahead of me, because it's further down in here. But yeah, I think this really deals with road design, per se. But design construction standards and trees on the road, stuff like that. The next criteria is bicycle pedestrian facilities. And I'm guessing you're not planning for any bicycle pedestrian facilities, per se. Nope. Water and wastewater. And that goes back to what we've talked about before. And you have received state approval for individual water and wastewater facilities. Your plat is going to make reference to easements? Yes. Not only for the road, but also I noticed a couple of wastewater septic systems, sharing that realize. Yeah, I think this is one, just lot four I think. So any questions, comments with regard to water and wastewater? Firefighting facilities. Not applicable. Public and private utilities. Yeah, I would say that's not applicable. Landscaping is applicable. You don't have a landscaping plan presented? No, we don't, because we don't know what the folks are going to want on there, and they're individual lots, you know, when we build a house one. Some people might want cedar, hedge, you know, some people might want maple trees. So you're not planning any landscaping, per se, with regard to the project? Yeah, we're doing it right now. It's going to be individual? Yeah, we're going to build a house on each one for somebody, and then they'll... What's the distance between the proposed gravel drive and Route 12, or the paved part of Route 12? I thought we just went through that with the power, because it was 50 feet. Yeah. I think it is. So, here it is. Yeah, it's closest part point. It's about 38 feet. From the road itself? Yeah, from the pavement itself. Not from the right-of-way. Right. I'm trying to remember, does it dip down there? Is it flat terrain? What's the terrain like? Well, you can see it kind of drops down as it further goes this way. That road will be below Route 12. Right. Right. That would be... There's no point in talking about that much difference. Yeah, it might be that much. But that would be a logical place to put a few trees right in that buffer zone, basically, if you could. That's a great comment. I understand that. I'm paying attention. No, that's okay. That's what I was asking if you talked about that last time. I see. That specific spot. No, I appreciate you bringing that up. Are you making a recommendation here? Yeah. I think that land is not going to be... I mean, it's owned by each of the people's individual lots, but they're not going to pay much attention to that land because it's separated on the other side of the gravel thing. So, basically, doing something consistent along that road right there and that road that would enhance everyone's value and it wouldn't affect really the specifics. At least that's the way I look at it. I think there's something that could happen. If we're at a great difference, so it starts off at about 5 to 7 feet and we end up between 12 and 15 feet from the road down, what are we going to build there? What are we going to put there? That's already grown and that's going to... Well, if something is going to grow there, so it's either going to be mowed or it's going to... In which case, it's not... Or it's just going to grow in brush and brush is going to grow up and then that just going to continue to... Whatever grows there, it's going to grow there. If we're to plant trees there now, it's going to be many years before they grow. That's what I mean. I can't see... I guess if you looked at the property, you'd see what I mean. I drive by it almost every day. But I don't have a strong visual idea. I know it drops down some because it's... I think what would be planted would depend on the purpose. Are you thinking of shielding lights? I'm thinking of visual... Yeah, it wouldn't shield lights much because the lights will be in the other direction this way. So you're thinking of like a crowned vetch on that slope because it won't be maintained. You'll say it'll just be... Or you're thinking of a more woody structure. Yeah. The problem here... I think you don't want to block the... We need to be blocking the... The vision, but yeah. Well, if I were any of one of those houses, I would probably roll of maples or... I would choose maples as opposed to a solid wood. Yeah, some... It probably had to be some... Well, it's not that much salt, but it has to be something that's fairly resistant to road. I would think as a developer that I would build my tree lane on this side of the driveway, not on the road side of the driveway. So it could be part of their... You know, not part of them. That's not a bad point, probably. We're laying it out there. You know, certainly the first couple of houses wouldn't want to screen not only the road, but also the common drive from their view. But everybody has their own preferences. That's what I'm getting to is that they really do. It's crazy. Some people want rose bushes all around their house. We're not talking about commercial industrial buildings. We're talking about residential structures. I, you know, I'm not inclined to go there for the board. My concern is lights, but if that's not an issue... Yeah, because they'd be going... The traffic would be going... Right, they'd have to come in this way and probably go that way. Well, if we're going southbound, and somebody's leaving the drive, their lights would be pointed at each other on the opposite side. That's what I mean. They probably make any difference at that point. So, okay. I don't think we need to... Do a description of the property layout from the applicant. And again, the state of Vermont looked at this. To this detail, I don't know, but they are pretty good when they review their applications. The reality is you're really not talking about a lot of traffic on that... No. It's not because of the firebreak consideration here. Okay. In fact, I would suggest to you that probably there's probably more clear that comes from the parking lot by the winery. Yeah. We'll be here. Not that we're having jurisdiction of patrol over the winery, but that's that point. Okay. If we were to pose a requirement for some landscaping there, would you have a strong objection? Well, I don't know if we'd have a strong objection. I mean, as long as we're on the same page, you know, because it does come down to, you know, money. I mean, if we're going to be planting maples, we've got to plant some nice ones. So I don't know. I mean, I agree with James in that. I think that's really up to the individual person. We're selling them the whole home, a lot. Let's discuss what they want for landscaping at that point. I hate to tell somebody what they have to have. It's the house that they're dreaming about. Yeah. Well, the primary concern I would have is it's going to be on individual or home private lots. And any tree you plant is subject to maintenance. Mm-hmm. And, you know, it's the people that's that side of the road. They're most of the people who own those lots aren't going to consider that their practical purpose is they're going to consider the ground right away. They're not going to consider it part of any of them. So they're not going to do anything with it. They're just going to sit there. That's one thing you maybe just put it in a crowned vetch on that slope. Richard, are you shaking your head or do you don't think that makes sense? No. I mean, that's easy. It's like a ground cover. Yeah. It takes really people seeing your house or road noise or anything else. It's usually used for hard demo areas. I mean, it's pretty expensive to put that in. It just makes some consistency there. It would probably enhance all the properties as opposed to letting whatever grows here. But, you know, because it's not going to be maintained whatever is planted there. I know that's what that's the crowned vetch. It self-seeds and it just, you know. Have we done the landscape? Yeah, I don't think, yeah. Yeah. Rows and control? I think probably we do have a vertical stand, you know, bylaws that are outlying in section 3210. And that would be a requirement, I think, whatever you do. It has to deal primary with the construction site which is the road. We'll be referencing that. Stormwater management? I don't think that's applicable. Do you have any plans for stormwater management? Well, we had, you know, some kind of meeting. Assuming on the slope, the water just runs to the south. Yeah, the Dog River. It's between the driveway to be and the ditch from the road. It's just going to naturally run out on you. It's the residents whatever side buildings they have and what they have in the driveway. The next one, do we have any minutes in the lot quarters? Markers? Yeah, that's, the applicant must have talked about some of his regulations. So, Rick will be responsible to stall the markers when it's done. I'm sure you have not done that yet. Oh, yeah, they're done. They're in place already? Yeah. This is where the construction maintenance of necessary improvements and that's establishment of owners. I didn't know before under that criteria. Establishment of owners association or similarly illegally enforceable mechanism for, I think, in this case here, maintain the road. Do you want to see that prior to that language of issuance of a permit? The applicant's choice is which way he does it. So I think we need to see what you tend to do. You either put it in the deeds. Yeah, we have to put it in the deeds. Or you could have a separate agreement which becomes a contract. I personally think you're a better off in this case than the deeds. Absolutely. I would just suggest seeing that if a permit get issued and dotting eyes after the fact is not necessarily a good thing. You okay with that? So it's going to be contingent on that or we have to give it to you before you approve? No, it'll be contingent. We won't have another hearing on this matter. You just have to get to the word. You need to provide us with a copy of what you're going to do. Presumably you'll satisfy 305J4 which is a sharing of responsibility for approval. I think it's a good idea to do that anyway. People will be cursing their names later on. I hear all the time these nightmares are going on. I'm on a road right now up in Washington working on these people who've got issues and potholes and yelling at each other. We have that issue too because it's called a state. Loop 12. Loop 12. Loop anything. This was a tough year. Care to the area and settlement pattern and I think it's compatible with the care to the area. And soil preservation and this space to stop by on the top soil you may remove making reasonable effort to repair any soil compaction prior to seeding. I'm not sure how we deal with that. Do you make conditions? What do you have in mind? Is that mainly for the road? No, this is for any construction. For any construction. The Africans tend to do the construction of these office. But that's not always the case. No. The ordinance requires so I think probably we need to make reference to the section the ordinance says must comply with provision 3507. We need to familiarize yourself with that provision which is a standard operating procedure today. Yeah, you mean that most of the excavators have been doing it for 30 years probably no. Yeah. Not too many people do throw waste tops on them. Not that for money. I don't know what it costs. As a matter of fact I'm waiting for a year and a half. So it's a biking bug. It's a mountain out there with your name on it. Yeah. So any comments or questions by the board members? No. Do you have any comments for them? We just appreciate your help. I'm sorry we had to go through this again. Well it wouldn't be such a problem but it's a different set of regulations. I understand. So we just said simply redo. Yeah. So we'll make a motion to adjourn. Close the hearing. Close the hearing. Most have been made and circulated by Shane. What was the one portion of the hearing? I should be using name about our recording secretary. Apologize, Christie. A discussion on that one. Hearing none, I'll also fare the motion. I'll say aye. Close. The hearing is closed and we thank you. Thank you. We'll get that right away to this. Come up and give it to you, Tom. Thank you. We continue our deliberations after this and we'll do that whenever we come up with a vision. We'll be looking at these new bylaw regulations and referencing them where appropriate, as in the site, since there's no preservation. Okay. Thank you. Hope so very much. Thank you. Before we go into a little recession we have one other item on our agenda which is the approval of the minutes of our last meeting which is a month and a half ago now. April 16th I don't remember if I shared with board members but I did share with Zone Administrator and Christie in my comments on that. Did I share them? It's been too long, I can't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I had to take a nap before I got here. I had a number of edits which I actually did and edited of the unapproved minutes and it really has to do with none of you have your copy minutes with you. But we really was clarifying what was applicable, what was not applicable and in those cases where it was applicable making like for instance the and we're talking about the same criteria we're talking about here tonight so a lot of dimensions meets district standards which I suggest we say water wastewater on-site water wastewater improved by the state so I answered that kind of language and in some of these in fact now I look at it probably I heard soil preservation I see it not applicable actually in that case it really wasn't that was just a not-so-ready-developed because that was so anybody who wants copy this I'll be glad to forward it to them but I would move that we make the changes itself so the improve the minutes as amended would you like that? I would like that. Thank you. For instance Jeff blows she had the wrong terminology it's a key to concrete block is what he was proposing Jim Bond Jim Bond you really did change his name I always knew it was Jim Blow so we have a motion for a second to approve the minutes as amended discretion all those in favor?