 start. So welcome back everyone to our next group of presentations. We will hear again from Fabian, Henrik, Tejaswini and Induja and Dorla. So again we will hear all these presentations in a row and then we'll have a joint Q&A before the tea break. And just a reminder to the architects we'll ring the bell at after 20 minutes and then again at 25 minutes. All right and with that I'll hand over to you. Okay, welcome. Yeah, it's a bit of a repeat of the presentation which I gave two weeks ago because you all were not present so I'm very happy that you're there. Also because after the last the feedback what we had in the last session was so so short so quick that I didn't really know how to move much on it and it's great that you are here and it's great that we have the time tomorrow to talk really about it. For me it was the work was really about picking out one aspect of town planning, mobility and I'm absolutely not a mobility planner. I really liked what Neha said all these different types of mobility and that's about my range of expertise and that. But it was for me felt it's the one which has the largest impact which we feel which I feel driving around on a bike in the car and walking in Auroville and the bio region so I picked that out and it was really for me and I'm not shying away to say a kind of offering to see how can I bring together the image of the galaxy it's interpretation to the master plan right of ways and land that in the context and see what really remains when I do that. How exciting does it become? It's something which I always wanted to do I always felt like hey how does this image which is not realistically implementable now today for many many reasons and I think it was never wished for to be a one is to one model to be built and it's an ideation it's a process so for me I always wanted to see how does that change when it comes into contact with the many aspects of life in this area. Yeah maybe the next Sophie. So there were a lot of basic assumptions which I put down for myself not to offend anybody but just for me what's the framework and also I did that work because for me it was unthinkable working on the crown and providing for the ideal version of the crown we all want which is reduced traffic immobility non-polluting pedestrian I still have to see what do I do with the traffic which is here and around us how do I facilitate that to come as close as possible to providing the framework for that to happen. So in that sense also the master plan now soon to be reviewed is something which is a process as we are in a process as an Aurovillian as Aurovillians as a community we are in a process we are not yet there where we shift tomorrow to community transport to to immobility to cycles we don't have it we don't do it so everything we do needs to be taken as a process it needs to look at a time and what I thought in the work that I do as a non-traffic planner I pictured this could could that be something which works in the range of the next 20 years which again is the length of the next master plan. Sophie. So what I said for now motorized traffic and all will be part of our reality and it's wished for that it gradually changes and I'm willing to do my part also to mention what are key elements of any planning work so we need to have the community being enabled by professionals to clearly define and formulate development priorities bringing together vision and reality. We haven't ever done that I think Suhasini started working on that quite a bit but it's something which needs to be really anchored in the community and the enabling of the community to work on that and up-to-date land use plan again something Suhasini worked in which again is firmly rooted in the context based on community agreed development priorities as an anchor for any meaningful study on mobility or any other town planning area a review and a required update of the existing master plan a zonal detailed development plans which then falls hopefully under your purview regular implementation plans all of this should be prepared by professionals in active collaboration with the horrible planners architects and the members of the RA with the governing board the secretary's office the International Advisory Council as consulting partners advisors and potential facilitators especially when we are going into bio regional development work liaison with central and state government structures next please so for me it's really a call a strive for unity how do we unblock ourselves and I'm not yeah how do we unblock that and how do we find ways and this presentation strive to do that looking at mobility as an important aspect of our daily lives and and this is why we kind of club together that particular work was then setting the frame for what Henrik did who presents after me what teachers we need to do are doing and and then what doll is doing so we all felt it really can link into each other so a lot of this presentation will have pictures of of Henrik because it was one more detailed step from my kind of first ideal approach next please so we had this so this is also all I hope at one point really shared in the next step when we present to the community so these were all the existing bio regional roads next please focusing into the city area where we see that we have the national high we have the national highway on the left we have the east coast road running here we have all these we have the bomber palayam cooler palayam it a ntravadi moratan the occult road road next and this would be then a kind of sinkable traffic concept where we accept these roads as a given we can't necessarily change them they're often on parent book or they're so established that there is they are just reality we also look at villages and how can we address the impossible situation of heavy traffic of buses and all going through the villages so trying to create bypasses wherever possible here at iran by where I have the temple which could be a very beautiful spiritual arrival point at the road from kut road over red earth riding school coming here next to to the visitor center or extending down to the road which goes to our orchard hope and then into it a ntravadi or coming up from here bomber palayam gyma corner going a little bit up on the already paved road and then bypassing cooler palayam village on the outer line of the master plan area so and another I think next this is what so here I listed out the key elements of the mobility proposal as a summary there are many many more points so the first would be really an in-depth study of the existing traffic situation traffic patterns and make reasonable assumptions for the near future lullet was a great inspiration with his development or with his gross studies of the bio region looking at what constitutes non orville traffic orville traffic the use of the existing road system to orville's advantage upgraded wherever it's meaningful have efficient filtering and check systems in place to sort traffic into and through orville most important to establish efficient relationships with the local administrators levels from the bottom up unburdened the neighborhood villages from excess traffic directed to orville via bypass systems guide as much as possible all visitors traffic to orville to come from the west from the national highway we are designated roads bypassing at a ntravadi block all traffic trying to use our roads to avoid the toll at mora tandi which should be fairly easy implement all the proposed master plan roads wherever they make sense and with that create a very strong identity unique to orville to buy successfully overlaying this ideation onto the ground and then what I said allow being a process allow for a gradual shift to immobility shared transport and encourage cycles pedestrian movement so this could provide a road map for the next 20 years next please this could be what I just had enlarger this could be that image and for me it's still recognizable as the galaxy but somehow become more alive and and linked with the existing not ignoring if if you look at all these images there's really I think there is one which shows the ocean all the other images only show our circle and that's it and that is not enough next please so this was then going more and I think this would be the next step to not only look at the monguses who are part of our traffic but imagine a villager from mature how would he cross to reach a day on Chavadi look at the different user groups and see the scenarios for each of them and then find ways of aligning that with our vision so here we see the different roads I have for example certitude which in all our proposals will be a large transport node it will be a switch of it will be a filtration system as it is now already of course we need to support our security systems much more because that that is a I think we have 38 different entry points into or so we need to somehow focus on protecting them so that here this is one major point we keep or maybe I should start with that one this is for all the traffic the one million visitors coming into Auroville every year they would arrive from the West and would have an arrival point maybe together with the line of goodwill using the existing facilities and switch get to no Auroville and then switch into into a different mode of transport and then go into the city I have the existing road here from certitude through here I have the crown road which can have different experiences it could be and I go to that next maybe I do that next and I have a large access here for the industrial zone from Kota Karai and just south of Alankupam I can form a loop road with the with just the extension of existing roads over here next and then focusing on the crown the idea was and I borrowed a little bit from you these jewels of the crown to have wherever the crown interacts with the different zones the different roads different line of forces different parks we could have portals focus points which could have a very distinct character so the whole experience and I think this was very beautifully mentioned by by Marie so that the whole crown is not one one kind of yeah singular experience but it's it's really an expression of the diversity of the place of the people of the different contours yeah next please then it goes here into into sorting that a little bit more so you could have starting from here I have the solar kitchen roundabout which next to the one down here is another additional traffic switch it's another filtration parking I have the resident the crown the existing crown here so I could have a small plaza here where the Vikas radial starts I could have another one here just south of the private land over here I have a large potential of a beautiful public plaza at the cultural zone I could imagine here using this road here I can create almost an ideal version of the crown as I dream it with pedestrian with e-mobility it's not too long this must be what this must be one kilometer maybe and I could create already now a very beautiful sequence of places connected here I have then next to Savitri Bhavan I could have one beautiful link which further filters the visitors towards the matrimandia I have one here at where the loop rope the loop road which I keep for the internal international zone traffic meets the crown meets the architect archaeological heritage at the same time I have traffic coming in from Kota Karai and the more informal Bharati Puram arriving into Auroville then I have a bypass around Dhakali which I think and I'm really happy most of the people here took that as a really kind of natural way of thinking that the traffic could be guided around sensitive areas then here again I meet the industrial zone where partially the crown is already built here I have you send a vocational training again a filtration and yeah one main idea is also that which was also discussed then in the feedback sessions in my view this should be really gradually decreasing traffic I have the filter down I have another filter here I have the outer ring down here so that by the time I reach the cultural zone and the schools it's almost non motorized fossil fuel motorized polluting traffic it's just cycles slow moving traffic community transport if and when available next please so here we have a little bit of the of the general feedback provided by in the last week so it was an overall appreciation that the approach takes a realistic look at the overall situation focuses on mobility something we all experience in our life a general agreement that any work on the crown needs to look at the wider context maybe that was also a short coming in our dream weaving that we focus only on positive feedback maybe that can be reviewed no because sometimes critical negative feedback can be extremely helpful the it was very much appreciated to look at the dense situation in and around Auroville in the local neighborhoods of Kula Palai and Chavadi a general appreciation that the existing roads are seen and used as a given reality an opportunity for effective and neighborly collaboration and a chance to use while we are exploring forward-looking and sustainable traffic solutions inside Auroville next discussions of advantages of keeping access via the 30 route or via a new radial I show that the appreciation of how the proposal aims to find ways to road motorized traffic around sensitive areas dark alley bliss even silence in the industrial zone a big appreciation of the attempt to deal creatively with the symbolic expression of the outer ring in sensitive areas such as the northeastern transition to the green belt we have Gaia forest some really forest revelation with its very unique sanctuary the positive feedback on how this crown is defined by the sequence of portals jewels in the various segments it shows that by the way that other dream weavers have taking up the works shows the general agreement with an approach of looking from outside into Auroville we need to look at development strategies need to be influenced and based on social economic planning policies and then it was important to look at how to implement this approach to mobility what are possible stages and phases I come to that and an appreciation of how this proposal aims to bridge the different interpretations on how to build Auroville next please so here we have the master plan right of ways with the with the lines of forces next then comes that image on where I have been trying to work on abstract in times no especially when you're looking at these areas and it doesn't consider individual buildings and all next please and then this is where I then took in or where Hendrik based his work on mine and I found it very very fitting so this was then his interpretation of that road system next please and then maybe in another six years Auroville could look in parts already like that and to me it's a strong image it's something which is still recognizable as a very unique urban form which I think is fitting with Auroville's understanding and larger purpose and it's connected it really respects the yeah the ground realities trying to make the best out of a difficult situation it shows the existing building fabric with an overlay of what is to come if we want to have a larger city yeah so now the focus would be just to see next please to zoom in into different areas and yeah so here down this would be the residential sector 2345 with the highlight then the line of goodwill so we have and there was a discussion really on do I keep this road which is there for us since 53 years do I keep that or do I open up another radial over here and have an access into here I believe while having that road it offers us a great potential it's there it's funded by government money so I can't easily undo it and it really allows us to work as an immediate step start from here we have to talk to the landowner here but this is already 20 okay so good so it allows us to really build the most ideal version of the of the crown that we are capable of right now with with this is in discussion this is there I don't think there is much kind of there is no resistance I think everybody is really waiting to start with something like that at the same time we can use that entrance here and this needs to be seen what that becomes and and work on this segment of the outer ring which we did already which is part of your planning I think you presented it to the governing board so this would be also really great as an interface between Auroville, Ida and Chavadi as an active laboratory of how bio regional planning collaboration can work one needs to see if there is maybe if we use that for parts of the visitors who come who are not coming from the west do they park over here we have these structures are potential parking structures parking structure structures will become a building typology which we have to look and it's nothing to be afraid of they can be beautiful green they could be ideally done in such a way that 10 20 years down the line they can be converted into public spaces work hubs and all but we need to be aware that a large part of these areas need to go at that time so maybe visitors go over here stop and then I have a shuttle from the visitor center or the the entrance portal of the line of Goodwill needs to be seen so again I don't think we can have one DDP it must be a sequence of many DDPs dealing with all of that I found right now for me personally I would love to see that road being upgraded talking with people over here accepting them as a reality using that and with that have the chance to really work on that next please so I've listed this we can also I'm happy that we have a bit more time tomorrow to discuss about that just what are the elements what types of traffic could I imagine next please then going on the other side so here residential sector 2 and 1 similar I support with a part of the master plan road in my first layout it went until here until the Sukhavati is here Sukhavati Canyon so and then Henry worked further on it creating an internal road where you have ideally you park your car here but if you are you have a priority access because you are either aged or you need the car for whatever then you have the chance to drive up to your neighborhood so you can park here or here using partially the existing road system respecting the existing build fabric all of this assumes that the land purchase acquisition is a given that in the city area we have most of the land or we have nice understandings with the local land owners on how to co-develop their interests and horrible interests next please so here traffic expected here for example would be internal private vehicles parked at centralized locations which then again could become neighborhood plazas with small I don't know thrift shops and laundrets and small hospitality parts strong focus on slow-moving non-polluting traffic connection to an horrible community transport system you can still see it a little bit I could imagine the school bus going along that route and kids who are in this they use that they walk here this is all then perfectly walkable they there's a pickup point here and then goes further to the cultural zone next please here we come to the cultural zone and this again I would not even so ideally I don't have any true traffic from here towards the industrial zone over here also industrial zone traffic is largely taken care of by the industrial loop roads from from the Kutterkarae Alankupam roads and I have the road coming in from the northeastern green belt coming in here this is it's remaining but there's hardly any traffic on it so the traffic would really stop here if I have larger events I have the stadium of course I have to deal with with traffic coming in and I need adequate parking there was the idea of creating to further free this this part from true traffic to establish a road here along in between the green corridor and the sports area coming from here and ending up somewhere at Dana carefully cutting through it not really disturbing much of the beautiful kind of sanctuary forest what we have over here so this is one which further would allow people if they have to come from here they could go here and then down here and then furthermore I could have another I think teachers really will maybe talk about it there is another bypass behind Kalabumi to really create an almost pedestrian very active a live cultural zone yeah yeah next please next here is that industrial zone loop so you have here is present-day Vindara Kutterkarae so you and Kutterkarae is one I think it's fairly easy to have bypass solutions for Ida and Chavadi Irumbai Kula Palayam Kutterkarae is a bit difficult it goes straight through it might the most part of Kutterkarae is further to the east but still it's it's cutting through the village so we have one entry here at mango garden the Mangalam radial we could have another one which is also I think underway with the TDC it stops presently wait wait wait yeah it stops here somewhere this is what now 25 okay so anyway so this week and also I'm really happy to look at that tomorrow and see if this kind of seems realistically and it has to be said it all these roads cut somewhere across over over the comfort zone of people who live there and you need to deal sensitively with that talk with the people explain why I have the community involved and I think if you do that then there is a large acceptance for change in individual and in community life yeah here there is another one so you would come here from this is the integral learning center and natural more coffee you cut over here you go to Auro Sarjan CSR campus coming down this stretch is existing here it is the youth center so this could be really a beautiful loop of the and I heard that in some conversations this could be really the next part next to the residential zone we could at the same time develop the crown here in the industrial zone next please yeah next and then it comes to the international zone starting from the Akali so again you would and I didn't mention this so the existing road comes here and this would be for me only oral internal traffic yeah which is rooted around I think Marie had it also which is rooted around the lake pushed further from where it is to go towards the the admin area and then further to the existing road on the north of sincerity and dark Ali back to the international soon zone so I have the bypass road around Akali we discussed if it's closer to here or if it's closer to here again with the Kali temple potentially becoming a really beautiful kind of anchor point yeah the traffic here this again no it could be a really beautiful sequence of plazas on the on the crown which is in this concept so far relatively open for for all types of traffic next please next so this is then the focus on the crown and next and this next please and these are just step-by-step implementations of what could be possible right now so find ways to unite the majority of the community behind the shared vision a concerted effort on land protection land acquisition in collaboration with the Auroville Foundation your office the state and central government and the Auroville international centers to help with fundraising establish effective bio regional communication channels establish effective access control points toll gates from the national highway strengths in the Auroville security system decide on the upgrade of the certitude solar kitchen road as provisional 10 years plus second transport switch at the solar kitchen roundabout which many fellow architects have been kind of working with start planning on the segments of the crown that we have what I said either the existing one the one on Michael bonkers land or the stretch from clockwise from the solar kitchen in improve with small interventions like again Tanya and all said the existing paved stretch of the crown and start with community-wide consultation processes to actively involve the RA that's it so I'm really looking forward to tomorrow thanks thank you Fabian and yes as he mentioned there will be time tomorrow as well to ask more questions to each of the architect teams so we'll have kind of an open space in the morning and I will describe it again later just to mention I made a small mistake when I describe the pre-tea break so we'll hear all four presentations then there will be a tea break and then we'll have the Q&A because listening to four presentations is quite a lot so we'll have a break then before going into the Q&A so our next presenter is Henrik and I see he's ready to go over to you so he's not but I think we're almost there yes so my name is Henrik okay the connection goes all the way thank you okay yeah I kind of start where Fabian left off just putting in some points that maybe we're not so forefront in the previous presentation so generally I was pretty happy that we were able to come together and kind of come to a plan where a lot of people could agree on at least the six of us who said last week together so for me being pretty new and over in my starting point was to kind of go through all the previous planning that existed and so that's why I also started kind of overlaying the all the existing plans and trying to get an understanding what the planning situation is and then also picking up on the current discussions and mainly also building on Fabian's inputs and so the three main points that I started off looking at the traffic was the no interference with Kotakurai minimizing the cutting and parting of the falls with the other ring road and so and generally the thinking of how to reduce the traffic on the crown to allow for pedestrian zone and the residential zone and I don't repeat too much what Fabian said one point for me that was interesting is that in Sosini's plan that she included a number of deviations in the plan which also includes kind of this cutting tool here her version goes more here and alterating the radio up here and also moving the outer ring a little inside here so that you don't have to demolish as many houses and and one major feedback in the last round was also to take the entrance years the proposed entrance from the 99 master plan and I think this is very valid to kind of if we as all the want to have some proper welcoming gesture then it should be planned and so one trick then to use this entrance and still have a bypass was this kind of connecting road which then goes again outside in this version I included also the transport note which is in the 99 plan I think there's not much that speaks against it actually and for a first step to solve the parking solution maybe to get something in place like a car sharing we could have parking houses here right at the entrance and the visitors parking here and maybe one point that I kind of find important is also to think that maybe we keep using these roads but there are different points where this road can be cut like in the entrance here or with a line of goodwill there so to kind of make the inner zone more calm I think it's my phone yes yeah and I try to become a little bit to get a little bit more specific with the plazas around the crown and and identifying centers where it would kind of be natural to have these plazas so the one historic community space is the solar kitchen and with the beginning of the then pedestrian zone the promenade you also could call it you would have one big plaza maybe the biggest then where the radials meet in the crown in front of the line of goodwill then there's already a kind of established axis which is also from so as in his proposal for the development of the national zone so one major plaza here on that axis maybe one secondary then in the middle of the industrial zone at this just at the heart in the center between in between the lines of force one small comment and there was a lot of discussion around okay what to do with these lines of force that are crossing these canyons here and for me I found interesting that in Anupama's plan this problem doesn't really show up because she already moved one one line of force and the other one she just left out and I think it's it makes a lot of sense to just avoid this issue then the youth plaza right quite naturally along the crown and maybe one cultural plaza in front of Kalabumi establishing the heart of the cultural zone and this maybe could be a place where you would have a little bit of nightlife in or where some cafes could also be open until 10 or something and in the second part maybe share traffic not totally pedestrian of the crown along the residential zone there would be only minor public places one at the entrance and one in front of humans cages already kind of established maybe need some improvement one major question that for me then came up was also a discussion that I picked up in the process that so on the one hand what would ease I think try to do with the typologies around the crown is to have it very permeable so he also has this has made this graphic showing how this premier topology mostly up on stills leaving the ground floor open and a lot of places allows for movement but then he puts the road in front of all that and and the road becomes kind of secondary and for me it's a feeling that this then becomes the actual barrier and for me to solve that problem was to not make the road just a service road but really make the road a center and so anyway as you saw before in the traffic plan we we tried to make the area in front of the residential zone pedestrian so there's actually no need to to have the pedestrian zone apart from the actual crown road so then the idea was okay what what makes the crown road connect inside out and my idea was more that if you really bring density up to the road and the road becomes the center then it actually connects both sides and you can can see the interplay of the major major plazas finding these spaces and also interlinking them with green opening at least two of the main plazas up to the green space and having the water catchments around the crown and one thing that when I try to kind of get an idea of what is happening in this pedestrian zone what kind of typology suggests itself by what is there on the ground taking into account that I kind of would want to create density to to make the crown important and connecting that maybe in the first part from the solar kitchen plaza to the first radio plaza it could be very dense and city-like maybe even g plus 2 g plus 3 and then in the middle there's the part where where the crown intersects with the joy community and you have a kind of loose ensemble which is around the crown and maybe this could be picked up on and so a kind of village theme could be created there and then towards and then you might have a cut for for a green corridor and towards the line of goodwill the structures would get bigger and bigger so it's the three teams the dense city the village the megastructure yeah you kind of see the more loose ensemble and then what one line of force touching the crown then starts the next theme yeah and there just have two versions one not including the green corridor in front of the line of force and here's here it's there yeah and one major anger for me to kind of get a sense of urban planning was the writing of Christoph Alexander because I really appreciate how he understands space making and all that and he also the most well-known architecture book actually of the 20th century is the pattern language where he created kind of an encyclopedia of well-functioning patterns and architecture and this this concept was quite influential even laying the ground works for Wikipedia and stuff like that and I go so much in detail because I think it could maybe be also something how all of the codes communicate with vastoshilpa and evaluate the specific points of discussion to really have a good dialogue going forward and in that manner I brought also a few few ideas of how these patterns could look like so the main thing is you try to really coin a term that it's you get that it becomes graspable a clear problem a clear problem statement and then a discussion ideally with a lot of scientific input and then a solution of how do you want to solve this problem so and one pattern which I could which I think could work well for the for the crown and it's also picking up a little bit on one pattern by Christopher Alexander the public outer room would be the creation of communal spaces along the crown and so wherever these maybe wherever the the vistas of the matrimandia across with a crown is actually an idea of the previous dream weaving sessions 2005 to 2008 wherever these vistas across the crown you would have one of these communal spaces at the four main axis you would have a bigger one maybe even reflecting the geometric shapes of the four powers of the mother so you would have hexagon here then a triangle in the international zone a square in the industrial zone and a circle in the culture zone yeah and so here are just some some references how all these spaces could look like or how it could be artfully interpreted also the idea being thinking about traditional iconic spaces plazas you often have the church as the main focus or what is the actual main building that the community values and that then these communal spaces could be that structure which really in an artistic form celebrate the community and a second element kind of picking up on on this theme of the classic classical plaza so you would have the church at the tower if water towers could actually be this vertical element really putting them putting the water towers at the center of attention at these plazas making them really pristine and maybe even as viewing towers and yeah so this is the classic example San Marco and here's one modern interpretation in Britain where you have the community's town hall and the viewing tower next to it and other modern examples of how the vertical elements can come into the plazas other patterns that I didn't put too much thought into was okay to to create shade on the crown so along the residential zone we would have on on the south side creating the density so it's would make a lot of sense to create these buildings in a way that they would provide a lot of shade and so and to consider the typologies for these south side buildings so that they have large roof overhangs and arcades and going deep into the deep into the street and and then apart from that also what other shading elements could be interesting to for placemaking one pattern that I picked up from was the ship was actually having these water catchments along the crown where the crown kind of creates the spun at least yeah actually nearly all the way in the residential zone that this typology of of the catchment pond with gabions so you would have a kund which is a percolation pond at the same time yeah and so here just to kind of make a case for density and and make it visible how it could look like with these different elements so this would be the hexagon as the communal space a town hall the water tower and then some amphitheater with some shading structure and and and these typologies which are which have deep facades it can also allow for green and and go far into the street with their roofs again the view on the solar kitchen plaza I mean this is a little exaggerated with a water tower but to get an idea this is a market hall that could be where footling is now and this could be the second plaza and at the radio again with a communal space along along one of the Vistas a water tower at the edge of the building yeah and the catchment pond and this really shows the different possibilities to use these use different road widths and and still get a good a good amount of shading so whenever you get beyond like 14 meters you would need at least two lines of trees and and this is where I think what would be more preferable and and this is just basically the annex to see what these pattern languages can give for input so this is there's two main books which I reference here and so this is for later digestion if anyone is interested okay thank you thank you Henry our next presenters are Tejas we need Induja yes yes hello everybody we'll do a little recap of what we had done so far so starting with the grounding grounding principles more about the content and character which is not only about the road along the crown but all the projects that come along the spaces that come along social and water connectivity social connectivity and water connectivity because we have emphasized a bit on water in our coming slides movement we're looking at this more as a unifying passing space and not as heavy traffic on the crown and looking at the urban spaces so here we are basically saying create more coherent spaces and let the projects or or the activities which come along the crown relate to the larger hole and not look at only as just piece mill in itself it's too fast okay so I won't go into details because this we touched upon last time quite a lot just a quick thing we looked at the water flow the way it is flowing according to that we kind of created different catchment water catchments these could be either reused or recharge depending on the kind of development which is there around and the idea is to basically create some kind of soft landscaping elements around those water bodies so that they're not left alone but they are maintained properly based on the feedback last time we tried to look at the geometry and put the water along that so what you see here is it looks very rigid as a form but but when we go into the details it it will look little different and and anyway we're looking at galaxy as more as a geometry and we have been so flexible all this while so we had taken little liberty I mean starting from the north that keeps changing to the lines of forces number of lines of forces that that are always varying I think yeah the water management is an iterative process it's not that it's going to be like this forever and somebody pointed out in the morning that the water that look that is there in the galaxy is looking different it's more flowing and everything so what we can do is from here we can move towards that because that we will be having more density and the runoff will be much more higher so we will work out a difference to I mean the strategy will be evolving over the as we are developing so this movement we won't go into the details because Fabian has already touched on it there is one I mean get ground more as a continuous experience and less of a vehicular so you will see that different details that we have worked on would actually show more of that the place where we have done different is here we are not doing this motorized at all but going around it and we'll come to that when we are actually detailing out that stretch and just a quick thing this sector 345 in residential zone is cycle path only then we continue as a motorized path motorized road head vehicular road through Durkali till the end of that little radial that's coming in here right now is only cycle path sorry sorry this is that guy going further here was again motorized vehicular sorry I'm so used to saying motorized but I think vehicular is the better youth vicey bliss again cycle path and keeping the loop as it is this is what I just now explained keeping this as cycle path our pedestrian and then sector 1 and 2 is more of staying as it is but somehow to enrich the experience on that stretch which we will touch upon in coming slides but also we had said that we should we could try and time out the access to this and in the evenings throughout the night till early morning it could be closed for vehicular so at least evening life could be experienced without really much of the cost involvement so looking at the human experience basically the kind of spaces that we've created all along we're trying to see how we can experience the crown so when you come to the junction of matrimon the visitor center there is a kind of a there are tourists there and also there's this kind of a diversity there where it's also initiation for many people to kind of you know being in Auroville going further is archaeological site here so it's kind of a connection with past then you pass through Durkali which is basically to be with nature build relationship with nature different life different forms of lives going further is a kind of exchange there is a trade there is this is industrial zone so trade of a nature there would be a lot of learning spaces interaction spaces going through why see bliss what we are looking at is more of a youth related activity so there is a playfulness going further is cultural zone and here the kind of things we have proposed is is a campus like thing I mean many of you have done that but a lot related to different kinds of learnings and again there is a park and residential zone would be if we try to we try and manage to create a social life there and bring some cheerfulness that is what we are actually looking at I won't go into the details of place making this is this we had basically just said that we are looking at only five to seven years we've referred to master plan document and roger's roger sketches and the looking at the current needs also and these are different proposed facilities that in last presentations we had touched on so I won't go into the details we picked a few which makes more sense in the next five to seven years that can be immediately implemented yeah and so this is where we start so last time we tried to look at 16.7 as a as right of way and worked around that so within there was a flexibility that we had kept between 2.5 3.1 you all know those numbers so we kind of you know we tried to rearrange them and made it that time the aim was basically to see how we can get social landscape spaces give them more priority that still remains but over last two weeks we had a detailed contemplation and also a lot of feedback that we got last time we now what we're trying to do here is actually fixing 2.5 meters as infrastructure corridor and mainly mainly for the HT and LT line and maybe OFC also because we have that we need that ring as per the electrical master plan so that could remain there but we felt to the to give the kind of experience that we're talking about if we clear out that 16.7 we are losing a lot and that also got confirmed by the presentation that we had and basically do the planning other planning first and infrastructure would fall in place according to the planning that you make so assuming that water and wastewater would be decentralized and yet have a place in that 2.5 meter ring where you could at times plug in and facilitate along the crown what you see here is basically the darker gray is vehicular which is 4 meters and that's not always along the crown ring it is going in and out this is of course conceptual it's so it's at times in at times out yeah and the other aspects that we are trying to cover this time through different we've done plans and sections of many of these where we are looking at the climate looking at the microclimate appropriate trees placements for the shade for built in unbuilt spaces you have to say something the only the main essence of it is not looking because 16.7 was constraining us a lot and we're creating the unnecessary challenges so what we try to do is keep that flexible and like somebody mentioned take the crown widen the crown even more and the crown is more of a people experience so give more emphasis on people's experience here so that's why the social landscape spaces are way larger than actually just the passing space and we try to kind of create social landscape spaces every 200 meters so from a point within a five minute walking radius you will land up in a resting space so that was it so to start with the residential zone sector 1 and 2 which we connect with a lot so this area we try to see first how the sun is affecting the area and you know if we have a wider road how it is actually affecting because we experience it every day so then with the with the four meter road so this is the four meter road with which will go and because which is already existing and then there is a 2.5 meter infrastructure corridor that will go and the rest of the space which is on the other side is totally like that becomes as a space where the buildings are set in set back and you know create spaces and all those things so here what we try to do in this is Santhe so here this is more like you know so here the road comes and then the road kind of deviates so that the ambulance drop point is there near to Santhe and then there are there is a water body here around which the Santhe compass can expand and you know that kind of water is also good for healing and everything and then there are other water bodies which which are more public spaces which are there and then here can be also more wellness related things and everything so the thing is here if you see there is a courtyard like space which was also we tried to get from the galaxy so there were nice courtyards on the which which was falling on the center of the crown so we try to create those kind of things with the shade elements so for example this is the road that we said will close after five so when it closes and there are several of them in different places in different forms when we close them that space can be taken up by something else and there can be an activity so it's really a room in the street and then as we go along here this is human scape and then there is a another water body that can be coming there and around that is kind of the stepped environment which is again a seasonal water body so and if when there is no water it can be a nice interactive space some performances can be happening and all those things and then yeah and then the here if you see that it sits forward in that space it does not come on the road but sits forward so in and in the evening the road also becomes like the whole space and there is no curve that we are thinking of so another courtyard here again and then this is Kalpana and then there is a colony that is already going and then there are there are some trees and here we try to see tree I mean again we second the point that Ganesh mentioned that the oven instead of looking at avenue trees we use trees like you know how how it can help either as a visual barrier either as a noise barrier to provide shade all those kinds of things we have explored so here is here is another courtyard so around evening there can be some small kiosks put up and you know that it can be totally different and then it becomes a road again so that was the idea here and so in this stretch the knowing that north is up north is up there is a lot of I mean we all know that this road is always been very sunny so the what is important is to build across and close knit have trees which would give shade and noise barriers etc so that that's very important also climatically to organize those spaces to have that stretch of road more usable and more as like we say street as a room yeah so these are some of the sections if you see this is the role like the four meter road and then the 2.5 infrastructure and then we try to show what is happening around and you know because it's a continuous experience not only along the crown but across the crown so that this is the courtyard that we are talking about and here can be some already room for chaos and that can become active this can become seating area for dining and all those things and there is a nice corridor which is leading inside to a nice water body and then this is another section this is in front of library and this is in front of this is Kalpana and in front of Kalpana again the road is there there is something happening so this building is sit in the social landscape space but it gives us gives a walkway so so that's that's another exploration and we also tried to explore some of the species that can be used for providing shade which are evergreen and TDF species which you will see here yeah thanks to Glenn and yeah to help us with that yeah so this is another section in front of this is human scape and in the background so this is the water body that I was talking about here and another thing is in these spaces the way that we have created in front of human scape in front of Kalpana basically during this monsoon there were for three days there were water above the crown actually so to that clearly shows that we have not made ways for water so we should so here instead of undoing the road and doing that again we can let the water flow on the water on the crown and we make a nice small dip above so the water is flowing mongoose can cross and all those things can happen and then still we have a road which which are also again a speed barrier so if you have a straight road and so that's like a speed maker little gradually so this is the thing and then this is near sante again there is in the background the street of the street as a room happening and then the corridor the infrastructure corridor can be covered with shade elements yeah so this is sector 3 4 5 and here somewhere is PTDC and solar kitchen so this is you see this is all adopted from the galaxy model and the nature of the social spaces that we are providing every 200 meters is not always active like not like you know something is always happening here so we are looking at a scale where it's very active like in the sector 1 and 2 to a scale where it's only a simple banyan tree with benches around and you have a place to sit in introspect and you know have your own time so those kind of things and there is a big potential in these spaces from today to how it will develop tomorrow that as the density is growing as the needs are growing they can be also transformative today it can be very simple tomorrow there can be a active life around it so again yeah so here we are saying only cycle path and a little raised cycle path allowing the water to go through because this road is not existing now we're not redoing anything we can do it as as we allow the water inside so yeah and the whatever traffic is crossing from here to the communities that are here the Auradam and other places will not be able to cross through I run on the crown we will have barriers that will cut them off they'll be just able to move so that's the kind of section and you know there is a lot that we can do and here again the water bodies are in and out the as it is in along the crown it can be more active as it is away from the crown the nature is more calmer more intimate and those kind of things and so coming to international zone we have taken this area from unity pavilion to language lab which has a very significant space of the archaeological part of the site so here we are seeing go to the section so yeah this is again the 6.5 continues the important thing is the because we have the area of importance we have this little deviation of the motorized road but still the cycle path and the walking experience continues along the crown this is to respect the and also we could easily make archaeological site as part of the social space yeah so and we have this kind of underground experience where we have the live museum and everything so this is where we talked about the human experience it's really to the scale and we are connecting with the past so that is very important so that clearly as we go so we in the main idea is to keep the edges active with activities that are happening in the industrial zone and international zone and then keep the only the cycle path through because if we do much here then we are kind of disturbing the ecosystem that is there but it's an enriching experience for us to have it so we're doing as minimal as possible here and trying to coexist with all forms of life so it's not only trees and it's not only those things it's all all forms of life that we have and they play a huge role in our ecosystem balance so coming to industrial zone I think many of you have done this don't look at the number of lines of forces again it confused us because at times it was four at times it was six but what we're saying is basically the low-lying buildings the along the crown could come up now and actually this this stretch of road could be developed pretty soon because I mean of course along with the interlink that that Fabian talked about and the industrial zone access and all but we could actually start developing this and give that urban form because here lines of forces are creating a very positive impact on on the development which would come along the crown this is just a skyline that it would create I mean that's the way it's right now it's showing very solid blocks but if we give the porosity it can be very interestingly done so spaces wise we were like earlier we had said we could actually bring spaces bring offices and collective spaces which would cater to industrial zone like retail stores like like courier services and and also borrowing from different zones to create a nightlife in this like Shivangi and Radhika had talked about this is why sea bliss forest so here I think we will have to knowing that this is a park we will have to bring back some green now so we could do that more thoughtfully we have people who know which kind of trees should be planted and and stuff like those here what we are focusing on mainly is to to create unbuilt spaces but organize them in a in a way that it responds to the footprint it responds to the need of of actually what was existing there so youth when we say is not only restricted to the youth center but could be enlarged to to a very beautiful in a very beautiful manner so we could create spaces which would have these kind of the kind of events and the activities which are youth related or even otherwise yeah we are talking about this stretch more as just a cycle path that's the section which is 2.5 is stays because ht ring and and electrical stuff can go through that and also if required the things could plug in and go through that you can see the way these spaces are they could be very semi-open spaces with tree shades and stuff like that cultural zone is is where we are saying we could develop this whole stretch more as a campus and that's why we are sticking to just the cycle path and pedestrian along all this this dotted line which you saw all along was 690 just just two minutes so and have a motor a vehicular road which is little bit offset it on on outer side so you can see this is Kripa and that's that's calabumi so if you see the scale of the the hexagons are we're not talking of something very very big there are a lot of existing kaya trees here so it will be challenging to see how we incorporate those and and actually build into into those so that that's going to be very interesting so that's the section through there what we're saying is 2.5 again stays here the water flows along and could become social spaces meeting spaces they're just some pictures from different campus learnings there can be night street plays happening right on the crown so when it's kind of not defined then we can define it with activities not not with space or any enclosure that is also a possibility yeah well this is a lot of text is missing on this I don't know why but this is the public shuttle service exploration that we had done last time there was a lot of appreciation so we put it here but I guess we are running out of time I will main things are the shuttle route and then the stop dots are the stop points which have the cycle pool which will allow you to go explore further in the zones and then come back and again take a shuttle back yeah yeah so the pink lines are the five minute walking radius from the draw points and green lines are the cycling five minutes cycling radius pretty much the whole city area is covered from these draw points in five minutes cycling yeah yeah I think that's all that's all thank you Tejaswini and Induja our next and final presentation for this session is from Dorla there she is and then after that we will break for tea and have the Q&A after the tea time. Good afternoon everybody I had the idea to do lots incorporate lots of feedback but and I made a lot of lists but I think it kind of took in a different direction so I did I incorporate as much as I mean the feedback and incidentally it kind of corresponds to a lot of the headers of the questions so that was kind of interesting so the main point point where we started was what is important air water trees the soil was kind of what led to this I say we because I started our initially with Pavanit but she dropped out because she got sick and ran out of time so we started by putting in the term porosity and proportions because somehow that at that point was just after the monsoon it felt very important to us the porosity of the soil which lets the water percolate and it's very obvious in certain parts of Auroville how it's different and then taking that further Islam had this nice picture of the healthy soil which is permeable and the unhealthy soil which is again relate so I just stole that image from there borrowed it sorry and so exploring this further it just it leads to the porosity also of of cities the streets of the buildings so I just explored all this further and I there's some recap and some not recap so these then they're looking at the wind how does the what does build how do buildings affect the wind flow so these are just studies and this one is is orientated with an easterly wind but we have actually more southerly wind southeast south but the principles stay the same it's it's leaving space for the wind orientating vegetation to shade the buildings to ensure that the wind is able to pass and it we have the advantage that it works very well here because we have the southerly wind and we have we want to shade always on the north on the west and the east side in order to allow for the low sun to the trees to shade the buildings from the low sun in the morning and in the afternoon because the south and the north facades we can shade with overhangs so then going back into the porosity of and what happens in urban environments when the more build up there is more impervious surfaces it increases the runoff and it reduces the capacity for the ground to for the water to percolate into the ground so it's something what we have to while we develop the city we have to take into consideration that we have this water and we have the climatic situation of having this very short stretch of the monsoon where we have a lot of water so we have always have to keep that very much in the forefront of our minds when planning anything and reduce or minimize the impervious surfaces and that also i mean the again the porousness translates also to buildings in general so i try to take a little bit of a bigger building so just letting in the light the daylight making sure that the wind can flow through allow for vegetation in the buildings i'll come back to that later and then of course also the looking being able to look through the building so that it's it reduces the massiveness of things so looking at proportions and scales of in urban design and buildings in general this is just an image it's been done since hundreds and thousands of years i mean humans have looked at these things and thought about them and it's something we just sometimes i mean we have to make sure we take care of that so then back to the slide which i had last time is just the familiar streetscapes of the proportions of what we know and pondicherry so just looking at that and giving it some scales so that we can understand the different proportions of residential streets mixed use the shared mobility and the narrow street which is a wide road but it lacks shade although it is used but everybody's always trying to find that little piece of shade which is usually used up by vendors and the beauty of public spaces which are integrated into the urban fabric which is something we really have to look into also here and then the problem of if there is no shade the spaces become very reduced in their capacity to be able to use them so then they're only used in the evenings and then looking at again pondicherry planned and unplanned or semi-planned infrastructure green infrastructure beautiful trees but they're not given the space they need which leads to all kinds of problems in infrastructure and in the buildings and in the roads a slightly better option where they've started planning but you can see that when these trees grow to this side the situation will not be that much better this is a slightly better situation then another problem is when as we develop the city something islam mentioned also is the heat island effect very something very important to keep in mind because we have well I guess it comes back to more buildings the more heat gets absorbed in the buildings which radiate out and vegetation can help a lot in reducing that shading the surfaces of the building so that they don't heat up yeah here again we have the just a list of important things to consider with again the the runoff and the difference between of course the tool sorry then going a bit more more specifically you're getting more into this actual site situation so allowing always for for the wind to pass through the site so that the houses have natural ventilation as much as possible which can very much avoid air conditioner which again lead to more global warming and the importance of having vegetation in and around buildings so it's it's great for thermal conflict air quality it absorbs noise so if you have trees and plants close to the building you have the noise from the neighbors gets distorted and absorbed and of course the the biofilia which is humans are better off in green places and just some some simple consideration what I already mentioned is the ensuring the shading of of your facades on the south and in the north because we are on the close to the equator we're just a 12 degrees north of the equator so the sun actually goes to the north in from May to August so we also need to have overhangs on the northern side I figured out that the monsoon northeast monsoon comes from the northeast and no matter how big your overhang is you're never going to be able to keep the water from coming onto your terrace so there's no point trying but at least it's shade from the sun make sure your facades don't get any sun during the day and the south it's more easy because the sun is generally high in the in the summer and the south and as in the winter when it's low you actually want it to come in so then it's actually it's nice to have a bit of sun on your terraces sometimes and then again the importance and the yeah just the whatever advantages of having trees which reduce the general temperature of surrounding area then I wanted to go look into building materials because last time I had mentioned that concrete is not the way forward for everything of course we can't avoid it totally but so there's so much available I mean we have our homegrown por'd earth and rammed earth and the compressed earth blocks the ancient techniques of lime plaster of lime building with lime in general I trying to explore that a bit I got a I asked Sart Prem and he said he confirmed that it doesn't work with steel so we can't use it as concrete but looking just on the internet I found that nowadays we can we have fiberglass reinforcement bars so it's actually an option and there's other there's also graphite but I think that's a bit expensive but we don't know what the future holds so we'll see as we go along but it's really just that I think is really something if we want to be all we claim that we want to be we really have to take these things seriously of of reducing our carbon footprints and then going down that road of maybe sometimes having the more difficult building material to work with more maintenance but in the long run it's actually better and and lime plaster and lime building works really well I mean it it makes a significant difference in the temperature in the buildings and the general climate so just looking at some of the homegrown things we have from Waterland Dove that's Fabian's house by the way um we have um Port Earth Concrete and Jack Arches used also in the Sante building um and then um I discovered I mean I've used these woody blocks which are also great because they're clay uh very little material comparatively and good insulation because they're hollow and then I discovered that in India nowadays you get pre-tents what is it pre-tents and concrete precast slabs or whatever anyway so that's again uh if you have to use concrete and it's a reduction of material and it's fast installation so it's something to look at also and then looking again here's some homegrown examples of which just for for the building material and the form the deep windows um Port Earth with cement flooring it's a it's a concrete frame structure but it minimizes the concrete and the the this roof is all woody blocks um yeah this is an orval this is an orval this is also an orval this one yes and this is somewhere else but I just wanted to show that also large buildings actually being made with with Ram birth and Port Earth so it's it's not like we we only have one or two story buildings we have to see how that was but I'm sure other people know much more about this but um then I had this um the infiltration map which is very old and um I looked for a percolation map but couldn't find anything in any way the two are very much sort of the same but what this just shows is that the areas with the high percolation of infiltrate or infiltration also have is where somehow the forests have developed mostly and then again this is a courtesy of I think Islam um just a very nice schematic um picture of the runoff of an or we have an orval so the ridge and then it goes to the east and the west and a little bit to the north and from here the or dam goes also to to the northwest uh so here is just to to show where where then that is in relation to the forest we have and then I jump to mobility which we I did in collaboration or mostly just borrowed from Fabian and Hendrik and incorporated so it's just showing where what is basically this is all been discussed um but leads me to the next topic of infrastructure saying where there's the parks and only pedestrians and cyclists uh and for now also less need in most cases of infrastructure so I came up with this very schematic little plan for for the infrastructure and to have precast conduits in the places where we will in the near future need more infrastructure to come in so all these places the residential zone up to solar kitchen and then this is the center field stretch where for now there's the high tension cable and the OFC is probably in as well so we don't actually need to do anything there but to definitely plan for a conduit because it will be the most dense residential area so we will have to have conduits on both sides and then this is the international zone area um it's not entirely correct anyway so we have a conduit there with a possibility to have more conduit and in through dark alley we just have a flexible pipe which goes in and which all the cables and conduits can cables and pipes can go through I'll show you and then the same goes for for the bliss and and this stretch here we already have the high tension cable but um there's there's no buildings planned here so nothing needs to be connected so it can just go from junction box to junction box and then from the junction boxes again it can pan out so this is just showing it in more context and um yeah so these are the pre precast conduits it could be or very neatly laid in and these are these humongous junction boxes of course we've now learned that the infrastructure it's too early to decide on what the infrastructure will be but that will be decided by the experts when when things are more clear and these would be these flexible pipes which couldn't go through the through the parks in the forest and then just from into the junction boxes and from there they can either go into a conduit or be connected so these are actually examples of from the presentation we saw just before lunch from the experts from Ahmedabad and this is Auslan's Eric's proposal he just made a very quick kind of proposal of what is would be possible homegrown produced here so I think that's that's actually a really good kind of option and like I said before it's it's a huge expense now but in everybody has confirmed that in the in the future and in the long run it's going to save a lot of money because that's going to eliminate this perpetual digging up and breaking of pipes and cables and all this kind of stuff because you'll always be able to just lift it up lift up the lids or go into the junction box connect new things um I'll fix things so something really too I just some options of nice neat things and my little sketch of the conduits which could follow the contour of the ground and be used as cycle and pedestrian walkways they could be above ground where it's necessary for the water to flow under or in in the ground the water can flow over they could be sealed and this is just a very simple sketch of the idea of having the the conduit also always on the same radius on the outer side of the road and then with having junction boxes it goes under the road and you have a junction box and from there again you connect out so these would be these junction boxes and here it would be a a flexible conduit and on that side it would be a precast conduit. This is from last time I haven't done anything further on this is the intersection of the international zone with the dark alley forest so I wanted to open up the the southern side of the dark alley forest for more activities because it's such a beautiful place and it's it's it'd be nice to be able to share it with with more with more people so just to have a very simple sort of activities happening there doesn't have to be anything specific it could just be yoga it could be a little whatever get together with with kids art installations and so it's just to make the make the dark alley park accessible to to more people while still keeping the inner part of it as as the very closed not closed but very sort of quiet sanctuary type of wild place for the wildlife and this line of force has been discussed many times and while I was looking at the lines of force I realized that it's on the canyon and then last time Neha and Ganesh presented this idea with the water so that sort of fit in so beautifully and I had this idea to just plant it really dense forest of of TDF so that it it has its own power and it has its own force so it becomes like a force of nature with Ganesh and Neha I was saying and we have this other line of force which is half on the canyon so consequently I thought okay then half of it would be planted and the other half would be very light sort of structures 20 so then going to the the other side I this is again I haven't done any further work on it it's just a place it's the the side the northern side of dark alley it's between the industrial zone and the on the dark alley so it's more place for me for for little markets expose of people to present their products have little markets lunch places eateries people can go there for coffee lunch break enjoy the the forest in that area and the water bodies so then by chance just look I had a very brief kind of encounter with the lines of force but I couldn't come up with anything which I thought did justice to whatever but then I found these these studies of Roger which actually very much tie into kind of the ideas I have of these open spaces impermeable not impermeable but permeable porous and off the ground so that the ground coverage is minimum so these are a compression of the slides I had last time it's about the industrial zone which is also the soil typology is not so permeable so it it's good to have buildings which are raised off the ground so that you allow for more ground to be for the water to percolate rather than having too many closed spaces and then again bringing lots of nature in and keeping buildings very open and cross ventilation wind shade nature going into the the street width so looking into that further because there was an interesting comment I got it was that the road actually just needs to be as wide as emergency vehicles so three meters this is supposed to be three meters it's sufficient and it turns out that it's also the most comfortable and the most safe if you give priority to by to cyclists and you keep this cars as guests on the road and so I just did a little study of some sections these are the sections I had before already the plaza where the crown crosses the forest all is needed is is a is actually the infrastructure which and where it crosses the park you can have the cycle path and pedestrian and you keep the infrastructure in the same position and then you have the different sections throughout the crown which would be from very narrow and then just the the different experiences but always making sure that there is there's sufficient shade and just for I think what makes sense is to keep the infrastructure always in the exact same position but everything else can be under around that in this case I haven't gone to the other side but it just speaks for itself I think and then I wanted I wanted to go into much more detail but I got as far as looking at this corner of the human scapes and Kalpana the fuzzy because it was foggy in the early morning and how to really with very simple methods actually create little spaces and public spaces which are at least they're meshaded so I came across all these fantastic bamboo structures so I thought okay let's you know that's something which can happen actually and relatively short notice and it's also just creating spaces which have no need for any kind of monetary transaction you can even come there you know just meet up there with friends and sit and relax and oops back back so this again just a compression of what I had last time the different aspects of what could all happen on this stretch of crown which I wanted to look at in more detail different areas don't think I need to go into that much more again just informal seating areas some areas where people can exercise in the park maybe and then having then moving on from the solar kitchen having that stretch and center field between the center guest house and solar kitchen because it could become like a really a pedestrian cyclist thing with that's a green and then I wanted to look at the solar kitchen again so I went into a little bit more detail and the idea was this is the the edge of the line of force so I just looked at like what are the what would the movements be this is the solar kitchen pttc where do people come from where do they go and then create shades shade with trees and temporary shading structures until the trees are big around the edges where we could have eateries and eateries and whatever and then the center keep an open space which could be like a sort of a step well for activities and that's it yeah so just some impressions looking into the future I found this image and I really liked it but then I got into a problem at home because they said oh but we need solar panels on all the roofs so we'll have to figure that one out but I just thought if we could figure out if we could do something like that I think that would be quite nice and yeah I just wanted to emphasize this to maximize the minimum and plan to allow for the future to be planned and build only for now but we don't know what wonders the future holds thank you all right thank you d'Orle so the tea is not here yet so I suggest if it's okay with everyone that we do the Q&A now and have the tea after would that be okay with everyone okay so then I invite all the four architect teams to come up and Fabian and Henrik and d'Orle just to say like in the morning we'll do three questions and then the architects will get a chance to answer so I think one common thing which you saw with everybody's presentation is that outer ring road actually meanders too much into the city area especially in the residential zone one it cuts across and it nearly goes to the crown right nearly next to it and the other part is in the residential zone four and five there's a huge ingress into it like you know you take a deviation to bypass that idiom so I'm quite curious because like you know the general belief everywhere is like as we move more and more towards the center of or will we move into a pedestrian form of like no we go to matram in the area it's purely pedestrian and the more and more we go outside or will the city area then we slowly see how we could have a that too also a very disciplined way of traffic even heavy traffic now when we have this outer ring road actually getting too close to the inner side are we creating too much of disturbances that's point number one point number two is if you see by proposing these alternative routes which also cuts through if you see in the galaxy through the proposed parks and other things are we also not breaking the parks and everything into different fragments these are my two questions but I just want to know or maybe did I misunderstand this is my first set of two thank you thank you Shivata are there any more questions I have two questions I think one is I think we to talk about the different mobility process you know the pedestrian or the motor vehicle but I think Fabian pointed out this one million visitors who are going to come in so are we also thinking about to what sectors the visitors will be allowed so we are talking about three types of people you know the residents the bioregion people and the visitors so is there any structure whether the visitors will know come through the sorry from the international zone or will they be accessing the entire crown that was not really very clear to me that is the first thing and the second thing I think we heard a lot of foot thing and youth plus a lot of industrial zones but one sector that I represent health was missing so I think the health part I think Induja pointed out that point so why I'm saying health is I think that is where we talked about this ambulance access into the entire crown where you know because right now we don't have the residential only in the residential zone so we have scattered population so that should be also considered yeah thank you thank you any more questions my question to Doris whether she when she says three meters sorry I suppose you mean a single lane one-way traffic because if you have two way you will need more than three meters what I have is an observation and that same observation I also made when I met all the individual tables in the previous session that if we can realize a truly sustainable mobility and it was clarified in the morning that we mean by motorized traffic we mean polluting traffic and noisy traffic if we can make non polluting non fossil fuel and non noisy traffic e buses e trams whatever then why do we want to bypass that why do we want only cycles on the crown and the so-called motorized traffic bypassing the crown I think we are not good enough then we should be able to develop a mobility system that allows e mobility on the crown itself and not push the motorized so-called motorized traffic towards Kota Karai or the Kali temple or Bharati Paramp that's not correct we should on the crown demonstrate in my view that we can have vehicle traffic which is totally sustainable and it can be done you have a question the question was about the three meter whether there was one lane or two lanes so now maybe the before the next set of questions the architects can answer so again I understand your point that that bypass of the outer ring is it's just one solution or it's one one thought way how far inside you come when in in the proposal that I did it was really coming more from Kriya to the south of Anitya and then linking with it so it's I think it's a it's a good question and and the other one is the residential zone I wouldn't have seen that stretch which then connects from the outer ring south of Sukhavati to the to the crown as an outer ring it's it's predominantly just serving that part of the residential zone it's not really a true way I think all the traffic which goes through is more on the more densely developed outer side that for that part I didn't understand your question about the parks and all that when it cuts through sector one and two and also in sector four and five what what it does is basically it fragments the the line of forces in sector four and five and also it fragments the park which is over there you're actually fragmenting the park into two clear divisions where actually it could have one contiguous park which will make it more beautiful and more wonderful so we are only creating more problems by making that road through it right at least in my proposal one thing where clearly deviated from the 2007 Anupama plan was to actually allow for the green corridors and I think if you have a road without buildings on both sides then you actually have a green corridor so what is now in the proposal is really cutting all the green corridors so and and then it's always the question okay what is the alternative like how much do you cut through forests if you don't do it here so I think we try to come to like good compromise so that's I understand the question what is the alternative yeah I just wanted to say something about one's point about the sustainable road making and all we are not yet there so for me it's really the question why do I not experiment with with the most sustainable transport modes on the existing parts of the road system that we have instead of opening up sensitive areas without really knowing what will come so I think that's just in general I would very much agree that one should not offload outside closer to the village areas denser populated areas but first experiment know what you do and then you take the action maybe maybe one I just wanted to give one one quick comment on the last onto one statement that okay we are getting more heavy traffic now on the crown but at the same time I think it's how we thought of the crown is like that you have it really diverse so you have the clearly pedestrian pedestrian zone where you not even have electric traffic and then in other parts you allow for it where it doesn't matter so much so we really try to think of the crown as yeah a very diverse ring so in some parts it can be heavy traffic in other parts you just have a cycle path or a pedestrian zone and I think this is much more interesting than to think of the crown only as okay this is this traffic road for electric traffic just wanted to add to what was said about the sustainable mobility because we pretty much have a nice chance on the residential zone stretch to actually experiment a sustainable mobility so all the mobility if that is considered as a priority and mobility experts come together and we experiment that and we say okay it's working then I think the whole that's why we are phasing it out we are not talking about this movement forever the that's why we are clearly facing it out five to seven years ten years and once we reach at a good solution which we experiment and then we can it can be changing so that's why whole planning is an iterative process nothing is fixed okay should we get another set of questions I think Lily had a question right and then Manu as well thank you um you've kind of answered some of my question I was I want to just express an appreciation for the for the mobility concept and of incorporating kind of considering the the parts of land which don't yet belong to Orville and also roads that we are using at the moment and how those can be incorporated into into a future planning system so I appreciate that but my my other question was regarding the kind of the kind of relating to what what you said this the health question but more like how do we separate from how is it how do the public spaces and the private spaces how are they divided and then last time I got very carried away thinking about the cows because bear with me um the the I think that there that could be a really good way to incorporate the bioregion in the sense that we could share our resource of creating forests and green areas and how can we incorporate kind of our neighbors and say that we invite the cows in rather than always having this battle of chasing them away from our so we could have corridors corridors for cows this is an idea I had but I was also thinking because if the if the crown is a really open space and how do we separate that and how do we overcome this issue in Orville and a lot of our communities of fencing everything off and I think the main reason for that is is often to keep the grazers out which obviously are sent into into this area because we are we've done this amazing reforestation work but how can we find a communication with our bioregion which includes that so which which welcomes the you know we we do consume milk and products that are produced by these animals so how can we incorporate the bioregion and and also our own farms and that leads me onto another question as a as a horse rider and um in context of mobility like I think you know back in the day people used to ride their horses to school for example how can we could that be a part of our mobility as well that children have that opportunity that we have spaces to to keep our horses grazing areas for cows and and to to create a space where that's that's incorporated in the consideration um and that we that's an outreach as well because that you know these these animals used to be used as work animals so if we can create animal welfare and reincorporate them into our functioning society as a as as a tool or is it not a tool but as a help for our mobility and sustainability creating manure and compost while moving us around and learning respect with our fellow animals as human animals yeah then thank you thank you very much for actually the two meetings that you had before to actually eliminate all the overlaps and make everything very very easy to comprehend and thank you for that my question to you is regarding Christo's observation about what unites the community regarding mobility he said that at one point there was common agreement among the forest people and the city people that trams are the way ahead and there was some concerted effort made to even lay a tram line and in the research for this presentation I found that in the Calcutta tram system there are whole tram lines through completely wooded areas totally percolating there's no road surface just the rail and grass and trees you know and that's still operating so why is it that we are a bit cold on this have you done any like did you come across any material that we don't want the solar tram for instance you know that's a great possibility for a will and that could be on the crown so why is and why is it that not seriously thought about and we have another question from Judith as well yeah I had there were two things actually that because it's so interesting this whole mobility thing it's it's interesting because it's dynamic and our situation is continuously changing once upon a time we more or less were only on bicycles and not even electric bicycles or on foot and bit by bit the whole thing has evolved more and more towards polluting noisy dusty form of transportation and when we think about and was mentioned this kind of planning in a gradual way to come to something better I feel it's like yeah we plan but what I see is that the action is exactly opposite the planning every day the number of cars owned by our villains going down the crown in front of you know from in front of the library is just going up and everybody has a good excuse you know so if we want some real planning about this it's more like some real strong action you know like cars don't go down here but that leads me to my second observation that if we want to build the city my observation is that the city is building or even building anything right now seems to involve an enormous number of JCB's bobcats excavators heavy trucks cement big machines full of cement all of which I know we're thinking of some sort of alternative way of building but actually we're not really right there right now and every time there's a construction site going up anywhere even the most apparently ecological environmentally friendly one we still have all these kind of vehicles on the roads so when we want to even that nice bit of crown that was built in front of calpana the library and everything it kind of gets beaten up when these vehicles go over the top of it you know it's like exactly how do we hope to plan our mobility in the transitory phase from the orville we dream to live in to the orville that we as we actually build it that is my question okay any architect response to lili first I think yes to almost everything that you said horses yes all those other experiences that you talked about but we are kind of restricting ourselves to only crown right now so so we had to restrict in our imaginations also at times that oh that's going way too wide or come back to ground you know so I'm not sure about cow corridors though because we already have them we have spaces in orville where they are always around so I think we have that relation already but otherwise I agree to almost all of it that you said coming to Manu's question for us we did not go to tram or even solar tram mainly because we thought it's a very small population to try something that big and that's why we thought we could start with electric shuttles smaller vehicles come up with a route and run it every few you know maybe every hour so once we start with some kind of a exploration we will know how that is in use and then then go towards tram maybe one day but straight away jump on the crown would be I think right now doesn't sound very feasible so so yeah that's why we didn't explore that part much anybody wants to answer to Judith so the the idea that I found most interesting in regards okay what kind of public transport system could you have is actually electric buses with overlines where you get away from the battery technology but you don't get all the issues with pavement change and and you don't have yeah you can have these shut spaces open spaces pedestrian and all that and you can still have an electric bus without batteries so that was interesting to me madam hi Judith I don't know how to address it of course mobility is a huge topic I think none of us really pretends to have like silver bullets and all it's a long process to talk about when you talk about construction traffic I think the existing road systems that we have suggested they would they would be able to support that construction traffic I remember when I was living in Bangalore is is limited to certain times of the day you have efficient control systems so all of that has to be in place but it's a complicated topic and it demands a lot of thinking and collaboration and until the city is finally there where we wanted to be yeah compromise and yeah I don't know how better to answer answer that right now one thing that I think could immediately or pretty short term implemented in Orville is actually have a car sharing so that because how often do you need a car and then where do you get it from so to alleviate the pressure for a lot of people to get a car because they need to get somewhere car sharing would be a very good start thank you are there other questions hello everyone it's one comment and one question the comment is especially this group they really took a challenge which is if you look at the previous groups mostly focusing on geometrical exploration and phenomenology and solving many conceptual issues and but this group is really and this is I am talking about this because the brief part of the brief was this is the master plan how to have the master plan moving towards the refined sensibility of the vision which is I have seen in previous presentation but also how the vision can be grounded in reality which is the bio climatic the the water systems the flora the fauna the mobility complexity the systems and I see this group has made this rip beginning of a trial and this is you have taken I think the most one of the most complex challenges so thank you for this the question is the issue of phasing because I think it's very interesting and I think I gave that comment to Fabian last time I think it is inevitable that at some point when you are moving towards from one situation to another is that there is a transition and and it is inevitable that these streets that exist today you cannot simply cancel them and if you cancel them automatically the cars and the whatever current motorized and and and not sustainable mobility would move into the the crown basically so I think they help each other I can see for example some of these existing roads existing which help that whenever parts of the crown are established are closed for an experiment an experiment what can we experiment in this part because anyway mobility is moving in the other part so my question actually to you and here I want to poke a little bit the vasushilpa because they have maybe the experiences to also give some support here when we speak about phasing do you think at this stage you can say this is phase one but I can imagine phase two phase three phase four until we get to the optimal we want or you can only imagine phase number one and see for example how people would select how people the natural behavior of the human being which streets they would move more which streets they would use less and then that opened the door for the second phase and then the second phase opened the door can you have this clarity of phasing towards a final aim or it's inevitable that you have to to take a step and then check the second until because mobility is also changing so I hope that was not too complex to both yeah yeah thank you just checking if there's any other questions just is there tea is that tea not yet okay so I would think it's a mix of two but when when when on that one slide where I lined out possible steps no I think you can really start today no like making that decision of of using of starting with with this transport switch in the southern service node like developing these systems paving that road improving on on the existing stretch of both the crown residential one two industrial zone using the opportunity of that and this is two systems which as you said they exist parallel for a certain time until one disappears gradually and the other one yeah develop stronger so work really on I think that's really a beautiful challenge that three sector three four five crown so I think yeah so it's a mix of both no so you will always see before you start phase two you will draw your conclusions from phase one the reaction of the population and the systems to it and then you adjust phase two yeah yeah I think phasing is a tricky question because firstly you have a living system you have an environment that people are living in there are a whole lot of other environmental and ecological issues that exist so phasing has to be fairly flexible because when you are doing one part the other part is also affected at the same time that's one the second thing is that phasing shouldn't be looked at is that in the you made a master plan now you say if this was a green fields project where nothing was done you could make these very precise phasing you know orders but in a situation like this your phasing would keep changing and it would keep changing for several reasons your priorities would change as you see certain things coming together your priorities would change so I think the idea of a plan here is that it is naturally flexible to adapt to changing situations as you sort of move towards it so I would think that this would have to be sort of worked out from step to step stage to stage especially with mobility because accessibility is the fundamental to sort of survive in this environment so I would say that it's going to be what exists will continue for a while and as the new things come in and things move off that and you can service all those areas with the new things until unless they're put in place you will not be able to get rid of what was already there so and my overall experiences that what starts never ends so I would say the extent of that supposing there are paths those paths may become a little more let's say defined as time goes by but they will remain and I think we'll have to sort of work through that yeah there's one more question just to say again to to really keep it to questions and there's always time in the tea break and tomorrow to exchange ideas no mine is not a question in fact I could say my question is we did when we talk when we had this series of presentations early Jan the question of mobility land use and infrastructure how the interrelated was explained right so that between the present land use proposed land use and how you actually work through in a way that your mobility is not just your road and your vehicle on the road it is the entire concept of what do you do where and how do you bring things together so that it's an efficient use of investment and then based on that frequency and density and FAR and FSI and other things you look at the most flexible efficient and environmentally suitable form of either the system on which your vehicle moves or the type of vehicle and what moves in those vehicle and I see that in almost all proposals we are looking at the built environment the natural environment which is very good we need to do that both given the present scenario of present land use and other things and the future with the master plan and the galaxy concept but one of the major things that is missed out is the socioeconomic aspect because almost everybody when they describe the functions of how they interpret the built and the open spaces are only talking mostly about leisure activities you know or activities of a developed society that has resources well managed and can then sit back and enjoy it we are going to be constantly in a state of flux and transition transition leisure activity would be something that is a compensatory aspect at the cost of development so our mobility concept has to be tied to the land use not just the zonal land use but actually on a micro level where within the existing land use create nodes of intensification that ties in the present system to propose system in a way that you can slowly transition towards something that is efficient that automatically people choose because that is how it flows you see supervising regulating controlling punishing is not sustainable people should automatically move towards a certain way of living moving and behaving and that's what planning is about sorry so um does anyone want to respond yeah I mean just as a defense like I think what what Fabian and I did mostly is to open up the conversation and to to have a proposal which is kind of taking things differently than what's already there and we are both not professionals in this regard so yeah I hope faster shipper that's all what you say thank you thank you architects tea is here so it's a good time to break we'll come back in 20 minutes and we'll ring a bell closer to the time all right gentlemen gentlemen we'd like to start um we are going to start our last our last presentations for today so we've almost made it thank you to everyone who is still here and um then we will have a wrap up and close after two presentations q and a and then we have the wrap up and close so with that I'll hand over to Raj you guys have to bear with me for the last time I have slides which you have seen three four five six times but this is the last one so bear with me I'll keep as much as interesting because I know it's the end of the day um I approach the this exercise because I'm not a planner or I have no experience except in university I approach through building a a narrative a robust narrative for this planning process and the rest I'm hoping faster shipper will take care and so the narrative it is the lived experience being here and I looked at some of the crucial elements through case studies around the world they are like water food community so I looked at some of the examples so I spent a lot of time building this a story so and it's not to have a solution or solving any of the issues but in this process I what I'm what I was thinking was to it would generate inspiring dialogues talks among ourself among the community um and that's that's pretty much it so um with that so I'll go the first part I'll go a bit quick I have to say I haven't done much for today I haven't had much of time I had some other issues so I'll just it'll be less than 20 minutes I guarantee so road is more than a road and this is the celebration I'll come back to that um or I will looking inward now the next 50 years going out and looking out and building more bridges this is the mother's word I've read it I'm sure you guys have seen it so I will sew three elements three points looking at water food community social capital as the core of planning so my story starts with the water here oops sorry this is a one of the water treating exercise so there are several ways but this is one of it which I looked at it is very key for this entire proposition which I am putting forward so using existing water treatment and how we can adopt this to reclaim the water we consume every day the crown is as a a dynamic um water and your used water reclaimed water decentralized you're putting into crown and then then utilizing that to other things growing food recreation and so forth this is again then water being bought in from the bio region this is really crucial so bio region becomes part of your every day part becomes a stakeholder in this then using the using that water to grow um food around orville and bio region and then connecting to existing aries so that would take some of the excess water and also connecting with with the existing so that we can use the storm water and so forth again going beyond and see how that could actually multiply or beginning to expand into clusters within the city this is a a built environment very graphically how food production and living and this water surrounding could be part of that there's a few scenarios and I looked at a youth center as the starting point um within crown and nature interpretation center where what that means is looking at nature through learning through different ways and night and day using the elements as our subject looking more detail so this is where it is on the crown one of the radials sorry and that's through the existing forest and going under and installation water and this water on the crown and while you touching the subterrain a few cross sections observing rain and some of the spaces inside music instrument using water wind as a learning um through learning so the next one is experiencing food so I looked at some of the trend what's happening so there's a little bit of a clue to how we can use this food as an as a um also connected to mobility so um this is uh people come to Auroville to experience food from Chennai from from Bangalore sole purpose is to get a hire car drive to Auroville and experience amazing food here it is true we have all kind of food here why not so the top it is on Auroville road which is quite busy some of these Auroville units relocating to where there's a fertile land where food is grown and and relocating to the outside of this is outside of the massive plan but it's Auroville land so you have fields and you have restaurants on on stilts so the idea is food is not just food the wholesome experience of it visual and eating so that it might change the way we behave with food and some of these examples the restaurant all along the growing food against water food so this is today's um one of the one of the experience I took away from interacting with the with the peers and the and the community members was okay all these are great how do we see that in crown these these ideas these visions so I looked at um on existing condition how this could be implemented or to work out so I'm talking about food water community which is like when I say community it's young older and bio region beyond so just not Auroville so this is a sante surrender that stretch these two three communities live there there's a paved road there's trees are built on the side there's a stormwater and there's um and there's existing buildings so and I tried to see if I could it's like if I could test this so oops sorry um so when I looked at it immediately I I I could see the potential roof spaces here with these communities that could be turned into a food growing also your own food or people coming from outside so I lived in Saranda right next to us there was a man coming from I think Ed and Chavity or one of this bio region would come every day do farm because his own land and then he would go back home so he's growing things so I thought hmm that could probably work in a larger scale people coming to Auroville like they're already doing to grow and to cultivate is farming is very known industry around here so and rooftop and also the ground on the ground temporarily you can extend it could be kept for future use the land around that could be used for growing I mean farming is no infrastructure heavily built on it so five years later you have other plants you can move on so combine that you have space on the roof you have space on the ground and you have water combining that so now we have community this is this is this is probably one of the areas so again looking a little bit more into much more detail I've taken a small stretch of land that's santae and surrender that little bit of a stretch so this is the existing road it's about 4.5 meter of paved road as a carriage and then you have about two and a half meters of each side for trees and then one side you have a bicycle path and there is a bit of a reserve and then the santae building so on this side there's a little bit more reserve there's a stormwater drain there so I've taken that as an existing so this is actually using this idea of water cultivation so the road is shared this is very important the shared is actually squeezed but we have bicycle path integrated into the existing and then widened up so I'll come back to a section this is actually the this is surrender entry this is santae then you have what is stormwater used to be now we have a reclaimed water present there then you have stairs to that then seating arrangement and these are pockets of food like raised beds which you can actually grow a community can actually have a veggie patch or growing vegetables I know it's on the shed but we can look into how it can be grown and then inside that dedicated line for bicycles and other walking running so you have a dedicated lane and then you have a small stream of water then you have this carriageway which is being squeezed in but the speed is 20 kilometers per hour so that's really crucial sorry I'll just go back this is actually in a in Copenhagen it's within the city and Gail Jan Gail actually looked at it it's they carved this out of it used to be a a storm water drain and beautifully converted into a child playing sort of playground here people are sitting here this water and the bicycle path I think there are different parts in the world has been done where it's just a storm water is reclaimed and turned into a beautiful space in Seoul in South Korea also they have done this but this is one example so looking at the view towards Santé that elevation of that section so we have raised bed some so kids are part of this streetscape I looked at adventure playground which is one of the the question was asked during the community a gathering last session was like one gentleman asked is there a play in this and it's really struck me you know because we are always looking at the the adults and the we architects get stuck into it but why not you know if you look at Copenhagen in nine it is 50 60 years ago they began integrating child playground and also decreasing the the motor motor vehicle traffic it's one of the first city I'm talking about 60 years ago they began to eradicate motor vehicle then now they're really successfully done so many many areas they've also included this play adventure play mostly so and I'm including I am I'm seeing that as a crown is part of that it's a playground growing and communities are like a live live street sorry it's another section towards looking at the this is sorry this is looking at the Saranda there's a roof as being the the food producing and as a seating and also growing raised beds this is actually the water which you have steps getting into it there's some examples I've looked around some of the cross section how it could play so we're looking at 20 kilometers some of the the width I looked at some of the vehicle this is being in the ambulance and and tractor so the carriageway the total way is five and a half meters but there are pockets if there is an emergency vehicle there are pockets actually existing vehicle can move come in so I live in Udumbu and coming to Oroville there's a very narrow road so every time I go and I I have car trucks and somehow I've seen this rest of India somehow you get stuck in between there's like there's no place the driver comes puts his head out and he goes that's it means don't adjust karo just adjust a little bit so I go back and this this aji baji goes on and there's not even a single word and we move on I think this is a really amazing quality I think we should use that rather than saying dedicated lane for this this this we're good at adjusting you know Indians are great at so I squeezed the the road a little bit smaller so that we can do that so how I just go back to the previous oops sorry oh so this is the carriageway this is a little pocket of of area where you can actually come in if there is an emergency vehicle so we can actually move into that so it gives you at least three and a half four meters of width for fire engine or you know we have peace or whoever wants to go through so there's a clear way that but again it's on a not a regular but there's an option to that so oops sorry okay this is one of the visual a view of that street so there is uh you know and we we as an architect we look at planning and designing through very solving issue solving problems or meeting the meeting the client's requirement sometime we forget that there is a life in that so I'm trying to see you know it's it's not there is no book for bringing life into street but it's mostly organic mostly bringing communities together different age groups together somehow combining that so what I'm trying to do here is give that opportunity to create or to happen you know to organically it should it should somehow evolve if you look at some of the villages villages of India it's thriving it's beautiful for a kid to grow you have so many dads and moms in that so when we design these streets I've been to some of these cities somehow they look fantastic on the plan they look fantastic on a helicopter look down but on the ground it's bare on land and I get goosebumps when I'm when I'm talking about this I've seen from Myanmar capital to Canberra to Chandigarh and few places somehow we are missing in that that life being in India we love this village and street life but when we are designing somehow I don't know it's my personal experience so what I'm trying to do here as a crown to integrate different age group integrate different aspect of community together I lived in Australia for some time if I see a family together that's a big thing a dad grandma and children all together wow that must they must be going for taking photo or something you know it's not common but in India if they say if you go into someone's house alone the first thing they'll ask where are the kids where's your mom where's your grandma you know so there's a beautiful quality here I think we need to integrate that into our streetscape and designing as architect collectively so there are some sketches I I drove very quickly to see how some scenarios you know crown this water being there and buildings are elevated from the ground where the the bottom bit is mostly for public and to taro ferry you know it it's also suits for this climate perfectly I live in a house on first floor mosquitoes are very less less of scorpions less of blah blah blah blah I think tropical environment are looked at in southeast Asia also so the old old houses are all above ground one one floor so the bottom bit is used for the daytime where this heavy sun you go under the house it's much cooler there's this wind cross you know permeable walls so I see that on the crown has been lifted up and using wood and reclaimed and laminated there are plenty of way we can use old cheap small throw away wood back to it so and water being the part of it reclaimed water one of the plazas being like this water built environment and gathering spaces so this is a picture of like bioregion receiving or credits or bits or will spirit in some some sort maybe exchange where bringing the communities together as a stakeholder I could be a reality very soon might look very so or will lies in a very rich Tamil Nadu and beyond I think when we're looking at crown and or will future this is a rich tapestry we need to weave together I think there's a lot of a lot of um I wouldn't say benefit but it's the way to go I was I was I live in a community where I segregate everything I go to work in Kuala Palem right in the master plan I am battling plastic burn every day I am chasing community panchayat work every day so and during this conversation I realized one point one point I could take away I'm I didn't win but by the way it's still going on and I felt like we need to have more bridges to build the community together not just or will be on I think this is really really important so that tapestry this crown allows us to bring people together it is sort of a there's a center and this crown and this beyond so it it's an it's an opportunity I see so in this journey there are some key people really inspired me in this vision CJ Lim he talks about as an architect talks about food growing in urban setting an existing setting Jen Jan Gale is Danish um architect talks about streetscape and children being live Christopher Alexander talks about life on the street Buckminster Fuller again Karl third or Soranan also a land it's a landscape architect he designed a a playground and kids didn't use it then he spent time looking at it then he designs the next one completely the opposite the first one very manicured very beautiful thing the next one he designs was completely what they call adventure playground kids were loving this so I think um that was a big a big experience for me also to how that could be integrated into and local experience being living in Oroville and also feedback from peers and then um so community members this been a great journey again I am asking three points food water and community into the core of planning thank you thank you Raj um and we have our next presenters Shailaja and Jitesh first Shailaja and then Jitesh and it's our final presentation session of the day so we almost made it um how does this work can you remind me I don't know I got it I touched it and I got it in the meantime I would like to acknowledge my team Arya and Jay very supportive and our special Harita architect on probation you tell me if I forget something and of course we have the privilege of having an in-house planner in the office Lalith never tires of our you know ideas being bombarded and trying to make them cohesive and you know yeah readable and yeah so thanks to everybody and all of you yeah so yes Jitesh is going to come I'm so grateful that I'm letting him speak today over here so we start from the galaxy and what we have taken from galaxy is we have interpreted it as a play field of connectivity connectivity of build spaces of landscape of water features of movement and this is what we have worked out with the tool which is playfulness because we thought that was the way if we get into it because we didn't feel otherwise capable of deciphering it and we thought if you are playful and if we really like allow ourselves to experiment and go into it we might come out with some jewels and I'll begin with the sections that we showed last time they are of the given road and what we are trying is one of the pearls that had come up in Ganesh's presentation that you know if you're not seeing the road it's because it's under the buildings and that means that we need to connect from time to time it's not at all the places and so we were thinking of connectivity across the road in the sections and to tweak a bit the section so that that was possible and I just cross by we have spoken we've spoken about it last time and how we feel that the site should start from the crown not beyond the crown on two sides of the roads the moment we stop seeing two sides of the roads then we have a possibility of thinking of it being as one cohesive whole and yeah possibilities of interconnections and then a question came in our session last Saturday the Saturday before is you know in fact Mari said to me you know that I would not like to go about there because there's so much of vibration from the road and the vehicles and suddenly I realized that that is not the kind of the road I'm envisioning here I'm not envisioning fast going traffic here causing vibration and the fact that we would not like to go over it in fact I was proposing that the library extension happens across the crown and okay so so it triggered us to think of really is that what we are planning of you know traffic going on this in whatever we're given to us and now on that we should we even connect and the question comes what type of street do we need because I've taken this from Henrik this is Henrik slide and he has you know 16.7 meter road and built elements around it and as Mari pointed out today and as I as we as a team felt actually it will be like this because nobody really wants to be right next to a road where vehicles are moving even if you have 2.1 meters and 3 meters no we don't want to be around it we want to be as away from it as possible and sorry and then what we will see of our galaxy plan is a clear cut through it and is that really what we are thinking of implementing because really all you know even Ganesh mentioned that when we pick it up it's one hole when you pick it up and no right now already I see as two different parts and the more we go on this line we'll have more parts and I'm trying to work our team is trying to work on the other direction as to how to connect it so that yes at parts it's open because we are talking porosity and other parts not open but to have that what are the examples we find where we have connections on top of the streets so we went back actually we went back you know thinking what kind of road do we need and we said we don't I mean we said that we don't need a road what we need is is a street an interactive space which is there for mobility yes but you know where the movement is not only happening of vehicles and people but of built elements here and there and people do want to connect and want to go through because you know galaxy plan is all about communication and integration and it should be seen in all the elements and at different scales and then when we talk of the edge of the street no we don't want to put our buildings far away to avoid the road in fact we want to have parts of the built spaces which are like semi covered spaces to speak to the road so that there's an extension of the street onto the spaces beyond and then we looked at some modern examples and we saw that wherever there are connections we see what is the kind of climate on the street it's not fast moving traffic it's not buzzing by only then we feel like connecting through so if we really think of connecting we need to think of what we are proposing as a street and some more examples and I like that graphic because it really brings down to the scale of what we are what we may have and then we feel like connecting it over it is related and then from that starting point we start again our presentation and we say that crown for us is a place where we see our culture unfolding and as every city and every place has a culture we believe that Auroville has a culture of values we are given certain values which we have either imbibe or are trying to imbibe and our street like the downtown Auroville will not have commercial like the cities have because there is a commercial is what their value is our values are different and those values will be out here to see and experience and live on their street and they will be in form of art see we need outdoor spaces for these it's inside and they'll be in form of water and soil conservation because that is also part of our values value system and the different building materials that we have been exploring ever since you know Roger and Popo and Piero and Helmut starting building and with that kind of a background i come back to the proposal that we have further worked on so these are the existing buildings in the residential zone from solar kitchen up to up to Santhe and little beyond up to the park and what we have here now is a slightly different version so what we have we had tried before was to take the footprint of the galaxy and now what we have done is we have interpreted that into different scale spaces interconnected so along with the existing we have kept the proposed spaces we have talked of connections on the top and also on the ground connections also on the ground where the you know the street widens and narrows from play time to time it widens to accommodate activities sitting areas in prompt to chai dosa stalls pan pan galas so yeah so it widens to accommodate those it also widens to accommodate i don't know how to show it here to accommodate you know bazaars farmers market weavers name it and you know Manu has talked about different possibilities of having bazaar so we have different bazaars here so the space around the street the space around the street is kind of punctuated making it wider at places make it narrower at places by activities which will be used by us at the same time as mentioned twice already if an ambulance indeed has to go by the other vehicles are able to you know be on the side and the ambulance can indeed go by and what we have here we have taken the inputs from the residence last time and we told that i said that when we connect build spaces to each other let us also have a common function and i was told that why not have a parking for solar kitchen because people come they park and it's required and it's so ugly so can can you have you know can so this is of course not a design but a kind of a urban design where we say that we can have connective space and i was also told by one of the youth that yes he want to be there out there but not all the time out in the open so we want some space away too so then we reworked on the form and the feature of the youth space where it is partially on the road and partially away and they have their own inner space complementing that is another space more public in nature and then the road that takes you to the parking and as marie has previously said then most of the parking can happen here along with other activities that can be thought about i leave that to everybody to dream about and yeah in this way we went ahead and maybe i go to the next slide this is more in detail here and then you know because i was talking about connectivity of built forms of pathways of people of the green and of the blue i said we need to go beyond and see it's not just around the crown that the galaxy will manifest it will manifest beyond and even on the inner side so i've gone ahead with really very basic urban design you know forms which are talking about a face which is more public space where where people can move about and secondary public semi-public facilities can come over and pathways that go beyond through those and they have a face which is more private and there we talk about water conservation and more private space that there are you know the the built faces have their own character one of them that allows the movement of public the other side or the third side which has you know expression of silence and privacy both so we we try to put these together and for make a kind of a fabric and this is a fabric of green blue walkways and what i'm terming as the red that is a public space is just to give it a color which is you know fun color so so so let's have our plotting beyond these so that the greens and the blues and the reds are common spaces including this cafe so yeah these are kind of spaces we have taught across the library this is this is an existing library building this is a semi-covered space on the ground floor we will have book reading and you know other related activities more quiet and silent there are there are exhibition spaces here installations so these are the spaces to read these are art interactive art and installations because you're in or when we talk about values of courage of transparency of togetherness we have issues which are burning and which we care about and we need to have spaces to put them up discuss them and talk around them because we are here to you know look at it be honest about it humble about it and you know find ways to work further on it and space is the bazaar that i mentioned which would be you know looking different at different times and yeah more of the art spaces which i've talked about before ephemeral art and you know one more idea that came up for this cafe over here that if we have a cafe you know the street is below and this is part of the cafe it's it's possible you know connective spaces can be fun can be differently thought out and and yes the conservation of what water so we are we had talked about crown as a band and that means that we are not just holding water at the crown and flooding it we have you know the water has been conserved and as per the experts in different parts connected through one of them is crown as a band and then of course it's beyond the crown as well and at times it is made you know possible to feel and then we were thinking here and i've changed that marie so i've changed the footprint here to accommodate kind of built spaces which can be more for for the green pro-green and about talking about water harvesting and so on in the cultural zone sorry in the in the green in the park area and then we were thinking this is not this is an unpaved space and we were thinking that we could have a circle of trees and we pass through it so that when we are passing through the park yes we have trees around but there is part where it's open and the trees are holding us and let us understand this that the trees are holding us literally so and an experience of that and this this is without the built areas the green blue and the red and the places for impromptu, panipuri, dosas, chais and also the seating we could not mark it separately the seating because i was told it's very important thing of seating from at different spaces and then i was asked by one of the participants by one of the residents of when we are talking of a street which is not following a perfect shape of a curve or straight line what is the rationale behind this logical so one of the rationale is of course that movement we are thinking of rather than only mobility this is from ddp luis feduchi and you know it has been proved already that when we have narrower roads winding roads automatically the speed is less and in fact luis feduchi this is a crown in residential zone sector one and two it's not straight it is what you see and then what we did was because we were stuck with just one area we said now let us really take a fresh sheet of paper and put in our ideas what we have been trying to say and so we are talking about built spaces which are having mixed land use over here there is a possibility of tram and here's the pedestrians and it's a shared space but we have other pedestrian spaces also there are options it's not like you have to walk in the middle of the road so that the car becomes slow no you can walk wherever you want and then there are different types of pedestrian spaces at different levels so as to accommodate different activities some areas given away only to green and only to blue of course and which creates you know different the minimum size you have taken here is six meters and it increases we have also some parking spaces because if we are talking about cafes there'll be some parking on the sides and we are talking here about the relationship of the pathways to the built spaces of the you know of yeah the areas consider the dimensions and of through connections which are shaded shaded connectivity and also very important you know we know about open semi-covered covered semi-covered open but we keep forgetting that very important to use semi-covered spaces for for internal mobility walking mobility and these are just the different types of pavings and the green and the blue and what we are saying here is that when we have yeah when we plot our built spaces now then when we plot them we need to have guidelines for porosity so what kind of porosity are we thinking of how much of percentage of porosity is required so that the through connectivity is facilitated the idea of built spaces conversing with the street is facilitated and then what are the kind of connections that we give which are built which are in as pathways which are semi-covered spaces which which are the common spaces which the two plots will have to you know put together so that it's a larger common space to be used so that when we are working on one plot we are not working in an isolated way we are at the same time thinking of the plot next to us because only then we will be able to work with the connectivity the envision connectivity and then the building materials because you know if we are having concrete jungles it's not because concrete is the best element it's because it is the cheapest and the builder can make the most money so if we are saying that we don't want to do concrete we want to try different materials if we are saying that we want to have connectivity across shaded pathways bridges across then these require funding and the funding that we get should be accommodated for these kind of things so that the the conventional built buildings will not have a reason to be conventional anymore then we will have support for the vision that we hold and we have worked out the areas here because i feel finally it is a plotting that is important and the urban design features and and and the the water and soil conservation guidelines that have to come with every plot as well of what kind of water conservation where how much and so on and so forth and and yes space for impromptu activities to unfold that should be not plotted a close up of this i think sufficiently you can see that there is there are different types of mobilities possible and that is a shared space with ample walking around and through and these are certain some areas we have worked out and the population in this given diagram harita you want to say something about it or it's okay we go on if anybody's interested we can explain and then this is one more option we have done because not only built spaces need to be connected and given here there can be different other activities that we envision around the crown be given and they also form the part of the connected fabric and here now we have again worked with connecting across so you know at parts the crown road or street if i may say is wide at parts it is narrow both for a reason both giving different chances and different opportunities and different environment for us to you know experience different connectivities connectivity through and yeah close up of the same i mean why so many urban design guidelines why it is because somewhere in being the modern people that we are we have forgotten that every line has a meaning which you know the architects used to know before and when they drew a line it had a meaning to it it had interconnectivity thought of beforehand it had various layers already in one sketch there would be layers of thought put in and this is what we need to bring back and therefore the guidelines and you know to be really aware that the edges that we have hold a meaning in the way they are porous in the way they are folding into each other or opening out and the way they fold in give us different opportunities of spaces and usages and that the hierarchy and scale of the spaces is something that we need to remember even if you are working on a small plot because it is part of a whole and we need to have that in our consciousness and having said that i come back to the last two three slides which i was told i should present again today of having art as a forerunner in our minds when we are designing because if we say we want to make a circle and even our vastu shastra expert has said that whether it's a circle or it's an organic shape it has actually the same impact in vastu shastra so what is a circle and what are the elements that go into making a circle and can we try out different possibilities and different scales and different lines of the circle so that cohesively it is or maybe circular in shape if that is what we wish and thank you that's it for today. So i come from the city called Chandigarh i'm sure many of you know what it is about and with that you know i would like to sort of introduce this sort of famous adage you know like map is not the territory i'm sure you heard about it so what is a map and what is the territory so map is essentially a concept an idea could be a word it could be you know a diagram and what is a territory territory is basically you know the land the water the people you know the lived reality and Chandigarh is you know in a way it's it's a it the map is the territory there you know because it's so literal i mean Kurbuzia and Nehru when they were designing it they were they were very sure you know they were like they were too sure you know they they kind of almost it was it's so top-down that there's there's hardly any presence of people the presence of process presence of change you know of course it happens you know it's happened it's still happening but but is the plan able to or is the concept able to hold that is is really a question and and and i think we're here in Auroville and and i think the first time i came to Auroville you know i i would get lost you know like Chandigarh is like a great iron you know it's everything so predictable and every time i would come here there it will take me like years to actually kind of remember the ways because you know it was so windy you know as far as there's you know you don't know where you are so it was like a fascination you know for for this kind of a place so so that's kind of the territory of the place that's you know that's that's the that's what you have you know that's that's that's the lived reality you know however it is unfolding at the same time we have this map you know a very strong you know in a way if you look at this model it's a literal model you know if you want somebody wants to take it literally it's it's it's concrete and green and blue and whatever you know you can build it you can build it as it is but but do we want to do that you know do we want to go beyond the map in the sense you know what is what is it what is it the idea you know today Marie and Neha were talking about the the the park the four parks and the values you know what does it represent what does it really represent you know can we can we get the kind of deeper into that you know and see what it reveals you know for us you know when we are when we are looking at you know really trying to bring that map on the territory in a way you know so so I I believe we always meet somewhere in between you know it's never either the map of the territory it's always something in between and that's that's the wonderful process I think that's the that's the nature of you know a good lived city so if we if you want to do that you know how do we how do we go about planning how do we really you know build infrastructure how we do build road how we take the next steps so I mean it's it's a wonderful the stream weaving I guess is is kind of a process you know it's not I would I don't see it as a I think probably it's going to be an ongoing process for for whoever wants to participate in it because I mean planning is a continuous process you know it's not it's not going to you know end here and we're going to arrive at answers but some of the questions or some of these kinds of insights you know that we've collectively got or some of them you know have been shared are are kind of worth noting I feel you know the fact that we're looking at the crown here and and I kind of overlaid it you know Marie's and Ganesha and Neha's and and then the topography and and we start seeing basically you know the need for example for the blue green you know looking at looking at the like in this diagram Neha and Ganesh were they were trying to do is they're seeing the the negative of the galaxy you know as a positive you know they're looking at it as something that could kind of pre-exist in a way you know that and that that doesn't then doesn't necessarily come from just the form of it I feel it it can come from the you know from from our experiences with water with you know how the slopes are working how where the trees are you know all that so and also the diagram you know the diagram of the galaxy you know what it's doing and and what it's doing you know in terms of you know how it's intersecting with those does it make sense to to actually translate it like that or deviate from it so I looked at you know you know this Marie's diagram also is fascinating where you know the crown you know can obviously we all have kind of understood that it doesn't need to be the same width so it can it can change in different zones so I kind of looked at the darkly area and the industrial zone it's still like like a lot of exploratory it's like an exploratory process so there actually I just have a couple of sketches that I'll share and just go back and forth so zooming in I'm sorry so as looking at these areas basically trying to draw what is there you know in terms of pathways in terms of canyons in terms of the trees and at sea what are the possibilities you know of whatever we've been talking about you know where we're saying you know for example you know this definitely the line of life isn't as a wonderful idea because it's already sitting in the canyon and one could have like this series of cones maybe tree houses or or something you know a fabric that still has some remnants some kind of some resonance with the galaxy but doesn't have to be literally that so this was this was a challenging thing that kind of we kind of try to take on in the sense can we can how can we build this let's say this intersection you know it came from this intersection where the crown obviously thins out here and we're looking at it as you know as as as something that that obviously wherever it needs to widen it widens but wherever it needs to be thinner and and just like allowing the water to flow or the silt to flow through it but this junction became something that we will I'll talk about it a little later but so these are some of the images you know we were talking about this area today I think Ganesh kind of was saying this could be a bridge and then there could be whatever we don't need to build this right now obviously you know we don't but but what could be the vision for it you know so is looking at it as you know you know a lot of these sort of villages that are built on the stills all world over you know where the similar kind of prerequisites of you know the water or you know letting the floods kind of happen through it but I what I'm trying to do here with the with the crown here is to actually have it as kind of a porous positive mass which allows for that percolation it can also you know we were talking about you know through you know the last discussion with the infrastructure consultants you know we could have a walk in like a move I mean a duct that one can walk into which can be integrated within this sorry they're faded out but this is more like this area looking at it from here some of the cross sections we've been thinking of what the what this could be and it could have it you know it could have a lot of character you know this built landscape you know it could have you know gabions could have you know eventually moss growing or you know things growing it really becomes you know a solid mass which can allow for this porosity we could also maybe can't deliver a bit of it so there are different possibilities so this cross section once again looking at how we can negotiate that corner or that intersection with the raised crown and you know these are different levels that one could enter into from the crown itself and then like through these widened areas one could enter the you know the line of force and create this very interesting urban form here so here we are kind of thinking of these as you know structural the structures the the services you know all could kind of happen through these cores which are coming ground so it's like stills basically everything is on stills but but allowing for the forest to weave in and so this is like the area in between the two lines of forces the so this this could like what we've been talking about which shall also just presented I mean this can this is very doable I feel you know where we have a character which we can you know we define like how much of how much areas they say in terms of percentages that we allow it to be really close to the crown so we could create sort of these zones almost you know and have that character emerge this is like some diagrams of what how we are kind of looking at the form of the line of force itself I mean this is in there's an intern who's working on this he's just came up with this so I thought I'll share this I've already talked some some examples of you know what could happen with you know these raised edge just a couple of more slides you know where we this is a project that we are working on which is in a bohar where we are looking at the blue green infrastructure inserting it into the city it's a small town which there was this old waterworks that you have two minutes to finish up so we are basically trying to connect you know the water here you know we're trying to like here there's a there was an existing tank this was old waterworks they had this huge underground tanks so we thought let's build around it and let's use it for for retention and all these bioswales around this around the stadium now this is not there's a bigger lake and then all this basically is connected so there's a whole park that can submerge that's like you're going to collect the water in the rainy season and it can be used during the dry seasons so this is that park this is the baoli we're trying to create with the existing infrastructure is an existing water tank something like this so what I'm saying is it's it's a water water water and that blue green infrastructure could become you know the key to this question to this kind of to at least at this stage you know how do we how do we sort of lay it out so other things can plug into it thank you Shaila Jaanjitesh so we are running a little behind schedule but we have time for a quick Q&A round so if Shaila Jaanjitesh and Raj want to come back on stage we can have one quick round of questions so my question is to you Shaila Jaanjitesh because the stretch I remember what I could see is like you have made the stretch from solar kitchen to our car right where it meandas and goes so I'm quite curious to say to see what made you to meander because you had quoted Feduchi and Feduchi had a different way of meandering than what you had proposed and if you see I think Henry Henry's one of the presentation you could actually see there is a there's a clear sketch of Roje in which like you know it's it's a circle of the same stretch very detailed quite exhaustively that sketch where you could see even the shuttles and cyclists flying and in the crown buildings which is on the inner side in between you could also see the street of the crown in Roje's sketch because I'm sure also I'm thankful that you quoted Doshiji's sketch where you say like you know architects for every line there's a meaning I'm sure like you know so if Roje has made such a detailed sketch he also had a meaning so after all these things why why do we need to deviate because I also find this little contradicting the design brief also given to you so that's my question we have one more question anybody okay then yeah so I have worked with Roje on one of the building projects that you are doing and I've actually seen how flexible he was with the interpretations of his lines and he has actually I mean I've worked with him and I've been with him and people were telling me that he's very rigid and his lines are like this and like that but he actually was talking of essence and the interpretation was left to us so long as the essence was not lost and that is the presumption I have worked with and the second reason why we have worked why we have made that meandering was also following Helmut's mobility presentation where he said that you know there are different ways of making mobility which is slower where the cars have a or or you know what he was saying as you know the armored vehicles have a secondary preference because the preference is given in a shared space to another and also because Roje's galaxy has connections across and the moment you take a particular width of a road and continue it in a straight fashion that connectivity becomes forced and not natural and taking all these factors into account we felt that this kind of movement would actually enrich what Roje has done and not deviate from it so I'm actually very very respectful of Roje's work because you know I galaxy is also part of my dream and I'm totally pro galaxy and I feel that if we go into the into the you know the sensibility of it then a lot is possible and the galaxy can manifest but I also feel at the same because I actually started first by drawing the galaxy footprint of the crown and then as input started coming I started realizing that no I need to rethink of what these lines are saying because although I respect them so much they actually are holding keys in them and I need to unlock them and this is a process of unlocking where I reached it is very intuitive and I can only logically explain it like this Thank you Shaila Chan. Thank you architects. Yes a big thank you to all the architects for doing this amazing work and for evolving your plans before I hand over to David and Mona for a final wrap-up I will just briefly go through what is planned for tomorrow so tomorrow is for all the participants to be here and we will have time for some silence for some reflection as well as an open space with all the architects where you can ask questions have interactions and also a dedicated time to fill out this form that you got at the beginning of the day so it's important to bring back this form tomorrow or if you think you might forget you can also give it to us and we will bring it back tomorrow and yes a big thank you to everyone for being here today and for all the viewers who joined us online this is the final presentation session of this exercise of dream weaving the crown and yeah I'll hand over to David and Mona for a final say. Okay so today's the last day where it will be live streamed so this is partly for people watching on the live stream but also for everybody here we'd like to emphasize we've come to the end of this particular dream weaving process as Aditi mentioned tomorrow there will be a few bits and pieces to do but this is the last presentation but I'd really like to emphasize that this is the end of this but the beginning hopefully of something much larger and long term so I think it's important for everybody who's been participating to realize that you've achieved something that you've reached the end of something but that we really have to keep in mind that we're really hoping this is the first step in a new direction and I wrote something else down yes so we had mentioned that there will be another presentation during birthday week as you may all have come to the same conclusion today I think everybody's a little bit tired of presentations that's not just the architects themselves giving the presentations but people listening to presentations of this type so what we've been thinking is that we'll actually put together an exhibition of some sort so we're going to discuss this tomorrow with the architects um with Rajiv and Jaydeep and we're going to see how we do that best and I think that's going to take a little bit more time so it'll probably be a couple of weeks maybe even three we don't know and we've got some various ideas of where this might be how this might be so sort of let's wait and see how that unfolds but the beauty the beauty of that would be that if we do an exhibition similar a little bit like what we've got here today from Roger's sketches it'll be a much more relaxed atmosphere people can come the architects can be standing there with their work you can have discussion with the architects and things like this so there won't be that rush and I will apologize again to the architects for rushing so many of you in in ways you were not wishing but we've had all these different factors to try and balance out and keep to certain times and so forth so I appreciate your patience speaking to the architects now not just the audience but hopefully this exhibition will provide more space for everybody to get what they need from that you wanted to add something we have to also thank all the people who have donated because this is made really I mean this is so touching that as soon as it was put in the news you know so many Orvilleans put some money and then we got something from Orville International and so that has all made this possible and also on a personal note I want to say like it's been quite a process a grace also and I think we've never done this so we're very grateful that all of you stuck it out and you know you are the real people who work but behind the scenes there's a lot of work and many times we were asked why didn't we give feedback like you know why are you silent especially me and David in the last table section sessions but I just felt like we were in such a different space you know like it's not possible like you can't just jump from one space to another and this time we were in this role so we hope that we try to do justice to whatever we took up and yeah I think dreaming is our inherent right so we shall not stop dreaming I mean if not in Orville where you know so this is not the end definitely I think this is just the beginning of many larger things and we are the many things already we are hoping which are going to come out of this so yeah but tomorrow is still another day and we hope that it'll be more interactive and you know that everybody will come here tomorrow we hope to have all of you back here and then we'll discuss with you further in the afternoon some of you will be here and then we'll see and then maybe Rajeev and Jaydeep will have something to say tomorrow so thank you very much and see you tomorrow and just to mention tomorrow we have breakfast here at 8 45 a.m. for those joining us and the sessions will start at 9 30 a.m. all right thank you and see you soon