 you know, I had this very disjointed world where on the one hand I was an evangelical pastor's wife and on the other hand I was in the women's studies program at Chapel Hill. And so it was really interesting. So I kind of saw both sides of the coin. I saw what it looked like on the outside and then I also saw what was going on on the inside. And I think that helped me understand how strange it was to make an argument that women simply because of their gender, because of their bodies that they are not able to teach men. And I was able to see the danger behind that. I mean, if you tell men that there's something about women that they cannot learn from them, what is that telling men about women? And what is that telling women about their own worth? If they are told that by design of God, their voices don't matter as much as men's voices.