 Hey, what's up guys? It's Cole. You're in a new segment talk of the town today. We got a special guest knocker I'm Harlem. So So, um, tell us like how'd you get into music like what's the earliest memory of music you remember? I Was a six hours. I was I was younger and it was this guy from my from my projects called. Um, I long and uh every time he rap The whole projects it don't matter if they was in the house blow-drying it here they came outside to to hear him rap and I Was always a look at me kind of guy. So at first when I wanted to rap I wanted that power. I wanted the power that he had if he started rapping the whole projects came out so I said to myself How do I obtain this problem this power and I started writing and writing and writing and And it was like I do become rival not really I do because he was an idol, but I battled him and I won and I somewhat obtained that power. I started getting the attention for rapping and Every since then I made a record called get crazy when Nicki Minaj I'll put a young be DJ Webstar and it was like a local hit for me And that just spun me. So you started off battle rapping or yeah, I was I was actually a battle rapper first So when did you like make your first song? When did you get into like the actual song making and I see you stop battle rapping? Um, I knew battle rapping was like it was uh It was yeah stepping stone It was it was the quickest way to get word-of-mouth promotion like oh that kid is good Oh, he good. Yo, my son would kill anybody. So and then it's also like a lyrical war. So, you know what? travels faster than peace. So it was kind of like Unknowing marketing for me and after that when I did the record get crazy and I sort of love him And then when I did the record right after that me and I love baby when Nicki Minaj and Max be it was like Oh, no, no more battle rapping. She posted it. He posted it and then from there I was just like trying to just do music And so that was in the beginning stages with Nikki and Max B. That was 08 2008 They say you was the like the only one from Harlem to get like Nikki and Max be on the record till this day till this day if I'm anywhere They don't have no other record besides that record and it happened because I called I contact Nikki I had got her she has some good name Stephanie I believe her name next to work for her and I wound up getting in contact with Nikki herself I told Nicki Minaj. I got Max B on the record at this point. I never spoke to Max B Yeah, I spoke to Max B. I told him I got Nikki on the record They both agreed to do the record cuz of each other And from there it was like we actually grew a bond, but it was finessed in the beginning Okay, so um So after that battle rap well the battle rap was done once this feature came out When did you get locked up though? Like when did like what was the gap? So the gap was like I so I was I was wondering what the team called MDB. It was like 2006 We was like the most popular people ace at Rocky and many other people's in this actual team We got lit. We was popular. I was the head of the Harlem period like when you spoke of Harlem, it was just me. I was flashy flamboyant and Very cocky and I fell I blew all of the money that I retrieved from a lawsuit when I was like 24 When I was like 26, I was I was speaking to somebody they told me I could just put a paper in the machine To make money and the thought of that was this was going to be my way to get back to what I just lost because I was mentally I was stable. Of course. I was good. I knew I was gonna get back But I needed a fast come up and I just became this like big scammer like just focusing on Do you think like touching a lot of money at a young age could be like bad or good or what do you think? I think that touching the money was experience. So it's definitely good, but Like I said, I feel like finances is a it's a it's an intelligence within itself You have to study finances in order to make accurate decisions and with that you can either read or experience it to refrain from whatever transpired to not transpire again, but I think that these kids that's getting these millions of dollars and losing it and and and it's just that Getting on the first time is easy falling off and getting back on it's the hardest thing to do So now you got to overcome the humility, especially if you was cocky to the streets the streets Don't remember that so when you bounce back you gotta gotta be more humble and make more accurate decisions with finance So, um, let's get into your life the way I guess you say you make pain music. Yes So what's your definition of pain music? First of all, I think I am the king of pain Okay, I think right. I don't think no one can kill me for saying I think um my definition of pain music is speaking on adversity Trout tribulations and but always remember that life is perspective So whatever another person rapping about and you might not feel his pain That's their pain. You can't tell somebody what their pain is But me there's not another artist that is going to put together Lyrically the way I put these words together and Express The situations that I've that I've experienced so pain to me is just your truth. It got to be your truth You know, I'm gonna tell you exactly what's transpiring around So if we had to make a playlist of pain music It would be you who else what other artists you think make pain music just like you raw wave Okay, raw wave is definitely a pain artist. Um, I Agree, I don't think it's many. That's not many. Uh, uh Meek probably old meek. Oh meek. Yes. Yes. Oh meek. Um One more one more pain. It's not a lot of people It's not so that's why you consider yourself the king. That's why oh, you know who I gotta say now I personally feel like his music is it for me NBA young boy, he he spits his pain like you know, but I I don't Feel like his music is for me like I can't I can't relate to it But he'll tell you he got herpes. He'll tell you he got he's very truthful on the record. So he's definitely going to a Okay, so you can tell yourself the king because Why because on a lyrical scale You're not going to find another artist that can lyrically Put these truths together the way I could witty Delivery and lyrical like the way I just put it together like Like I just don't feel like another artist can can can lyrically just put these words together the way I could I don't feel like it like When you when you break down my bars when you watch that bars are not fire for you watch any freestyle I've done Oh, and you know, you you'll get to see that Mmm My older brother begrudge me lied to me and stole from me. I Got an easy pass for anything take a toll on me. That's water under the bridge me I got yacht dreams yacht master Scott dwellers big Cubans hot rings nigga said I'm not gonna make it How did you nigga speak yet? I put food in you niggas mouse. How did you give me feedback? I just don't feel like these are this is gonna put that I just don't how do you how do you feel like you got so lyrical? Oh reading Yep, and I said I would never admit that on the interview and I just didn't read it Cuz I feel like it's it's it's but it's also something I could be cocky in a minute Is it that you read books you read the dictionary like what is books straight books self-help It's my main genre, but now I'm delving into Psychology and human behavior and things of that nature. Okay. Okay. So all the other songs you made what do you say is your favorite song? Do you have a favorite song? I do right? But it's like it's like your child actually you which was a favorite child because they owe your babies But and different reasons well my favorite song hands down got to be me and all the baby cuz the legacy that comes with it Okay, stop blaming the white man is not Okay, so do you feel like it's fun to do the lyrical pain music or you'd be like struggling I would say struggling, but you have to like think it out more like what it was your process I don't know if like these kids is telling the truth when they get up here and they say that Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you right now I I write two weeks three weeks. There's no such thing. I don't care if you're Jay-Z you can't get me to come to the studio and do a verse. It's no way It's no way I need to sit with this record and I need to pace walk around drive around I gotta give you and cuz it's true So it's no way I'm out just sum up a bunch of bullshit and give you a record every verse for me Take some minimum of two weeks or a week Okay, and do artists be upset when they wait for their verse I feel like when they get it, they know it's gonna be fire But I feel like you know we New York City is so crunch time So what do you think like that's a good or bad thing? Well, I feel like Comprehension is key right Not communication right cuz we don't comprehend in the community But when I explain to the artist like I gotta sit with the record and I have them get this understanding that I'm gonna leave this record alone. I'm gonna Go chill with some friends chill with some girls chill with some people and then I'm gonna come back to this record I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the old neighborhood and then I'm gonna come back to this record So I'm gonna give you and then read and then come back to this race Oh, yeah, so I'll tell them like but I promise you my Disregard is a priority and I'm gonna return it, but they'll be rushing me though. They don't Okay, okay So it's on drugs. Mm-hmm. What inspired you to speak on the downside of drugs Was seeing what opioids is doing to my community seeing what lean is doing to these children When the record was sent to me, he was speaking on how he takes drugs so I came up with a conscious decision to flip this and use this time to It's opioids is killing us straight up nigga If you see the Perkins call and hang up nigga So it's like I felt like you know and then I wanted to speak on vaccines and all things that can be looked at Different forms of drugs too. I wanted to I wanted to to get to the youngins man. Just tell them man This drugs is gonna hurt you man. It's no way you can make the best decision You could possibly make with a clouded mind. I Feel like that hip-hop kind of like glorifies People using drugs and things like that. You know when how it's hurting, but you still doing music But you you're doing music sound like enough Do you feel like maybe your message isn't being heard or if I could be overshadowed or do you think like? They're just not figuring out. I can never blame them baby girl. I gotta blame me whatever is whatever I'm lacking in I take full responsibility for so I just gotta work harder. I can't say they not listen and I can't say I'm not being heard I can't say I'm not being heard enough. I feel like I just gotta do more. I got more work to do I mean, but hip-hop is constantly changing. I feel like you can't I feel like I don't like the way that it's necessary To change it into mm-hmm. I feel like it's like more triggered to hurt us now But we still have artists that still make you know different kinds of music. So like I Don't know drill music is Literally right some it's a it's a love-hate relationship It's something that you you love because how it makes you feel but when you see the The other side of it in the message of it. This is and what is causing what they're doing Can I say something real quick? Like I feel like I was just reading this article or Rest in peace with D thing and that's a Yes brother, you know and and his brother was killed and when I listen to dirt music all of the time all the time I know that he's um, oh Embedding a lot of people that passed into his rich into his music But at the end of the night, right dirt goes home to India in the mansion in Atlanta When his record is put out it's bringing his enemies to a place where they write his rival's to a place where and then now They're gonna go take it out on the others Who's still in poverty? They can't get to you right you you you are hiding not literally hiding like he's a coward But literally you're not No, same circumstances you gotta remember be more conscious. So and from I don't know the story what happened with the thing I just feel like dirt everybody around him gets hurt, you know, and it's I feel like he Like you know the internet tries to make something. Oh, he's so his soul and things like that. Yeah, that's stupidity Yeah, you know, I never I don't believe I also don't believe in a Oh Illuminati, yeah, I don't I don't believe in that. Yeah, I you know, I just feel like that's you know A choice of conversation more than anything. It's not something that really exists. I feel like Dirk is just in the city where they're not playing and He knows that cuz he told von before rest in peace don't get the opposite. So If you constantly keep yelling out we went in in Chicago and it's that bro This is not gonna bring nothing but violence. So I encourage all kids that Why y'all go in y'all make this big bag of money and y'all leave You still got people in your neighborhoods that's fighting the war Be mindful of that That was deep so Recently you posted You was like how um when you do songs with other artists who might be a quote-unquote ox don't I love you so much for asking Like Like I gave you this question there honestly cuz you asked me the greatest questions Man, there's this thing where like even video videographers. Oh, you shot a video for my op da da Same thing. I'm doing songs with I don't know these kids backgrounds. I don't give a fuck Please if you're a kid and you're warring out there. I pray you get better, but look at me Don't include me in your fucking beef. I don't even promote beef I don't even have beef if you hear me talk about a op in my record. It's probably the government I get my money I stay out the way and I'll promote peace adversity pain and growing from Our situations don't involve me in your beef. Whatever. I didn't reckon with I didn't do this record because he's beefing with you Right, I did this record and the same thing with these camera men if a camera man is from your block And he go over this let that man go get his money Y'all need to get this message out there because it's imperative because people are getting hurt because they do Assure with somebody to make money the plan is to get out the hood But you can't see far anywhere past your hood So you trying to keep everybody on that slave mentality and I'm not with it And I'm if you touch anybody that I'm currently with then now I'm a part of the beef because I'm near and I got to make Sure, however, I picked this man or girl up That's exactly how they're gonna get home if they got home with an extra scratch I might have an extra scratch on me. Handle your beef when I'm not around y'all do whatever y'all want to do I wish you stop, but if it don't that's on y'all. I wish y'all minds get better and y'all fix this, but This is a super common problem in New York or just Oh, yeah, this is a common part. Oh everywhere. Yes. I'm sorry. I should let you finish. Yes It's really bad in New York right now though. Horrible. I'm literally speaking to I'm cool with a lot of camera man So they be telling me like yo, you know It's one camera man that he doesn't permit you to throw in these signs down of whatever another side is what and He edits all of that out and I think that was a smart idea. You know, that was dope He tells you know, yeah, and they have people going extra mile like in Florida. They went to the Sun Graves So, you know, that is crazy. So it was like they some of them are with the shit too So it's just like we also got a set boundaries at least his was really a response from my understanding It was a response, but still that was crazy the camera man shot it Yeah, no now hold that camera man responsible because you I'm sorry like don't do anything to us I'm saying like like if something if gone for being if something was the transpire No, I wouldn't blame because bro, you had the lack or empathy and integrity to say fuck this money and shoot that You just gave me an insight that I did not previously have so you right like he bro I would have never shot that video. I mean, I'm just saying like just I don't think we should be going the extra mile I agree. We're not in it. We're not in it. I agree. Oh, let him shoot that video on his own Oh, shoot it. I don't even think he put his name on it because I think But yeah, I was like Alright, so song stop blaming the right man million views. We got to get from this plaque, please But a million views so what inspired that song List of things. Oh man, but um, why'd you feel like you had like had to record that and had to get that message out? Cuz I'll be talking to black people I mean, don't we all right? And they be having a lot of Caucasian own products in their hands or on their persons why they talking to me and they be saying things that Don't go with what I'm currently looking at, right? It's like you feel like white people are holding you back and white people this and if you hated them so much Why would you work a job from 40 to 80 hours? Collect this money and give it right back to them You hate white people, but you work for a white man. You get yourself a check and go spend it on white brands You got an iPhone. You got you got you got you got She got but I don't I don't despise them. Yeah, I was like, you didn't say you hate them Yeah, I love them. I love them. So I literally can say that I love the good ones. So I felt like when I made this record I wanted to to to influence Anybody that was listening I wanted to bring unity I wanted to give them knowledge And because I also spoke on how OJ Simpson said he wasn't black in the interview. I wanted to bring of Understanding and I wanted to tell people that Opportunities are created from self wherever you want to go. There's no white black Green yellow person in the world. I can stop you from reaching your destination That was my main goal for stop blaming the right and how did you feel that people wasn't? intercepting the message well because you know Hey Blacks you gotta remember if somebody but if if if somebody believes something for so long and I'm telling you What you believe this wrong what you believe the wrong you go you start the first one you're gonna challenge it Cuz you start to feel like damn first was no way I was harboring these feelings for so long and I was wrong So now you're gonna get into fits more No, you're wrong. They are holding us back and he is the reason for this and you start bringing up all these things That's transpiring probably coming up 150 years ago to support your wrong beliefs, but it's perspective So I respect the perspective, but it's more so like I can for everything that you telling me is transpiring I can give you a list of black people that did it that broke this. Let's just remember one thing Who is from Marcy if you ever drive past Marcy, please Conditions and What he I mean, I feel like I get what she's saying also But I feel like it was more so in a sense of like police brutality and things that also cuz like that That's not really stopping no careers and things like that. That's just stopping like day-to-day life Yes, and you gotta remember it is it's I Never in that record that I spoke on George Floyd. I also spoke on We so tough but George Zimmerman is still alive like I spoke on Get your knee on mine. I got my phone on these niggas next get your knee on my door I spoke I spoke on all of these situations to let you know that the government is our beef the the people and what they're Somewhat of power authorities that's abusing their authorities. That's our enemies and a lot of them a lot of times I'd attend usually are Caucasian So blame the ones that's wrongfully doing this wrong, you know, but don't be biased also look at The black kid that attempted to rob you the black kid that attempted to shoot you all of these problems have to get addressed and Yeah, I agree I Agree, I agree. I see I see everybody side But I feel like nobody ever made a song like you did to well in music because music is Opinionated so I've never really heard in the song. I mean little babies. What's it called emotion? Was that song I forgot but I love it. He tried he got into it, but he really get into how you got into it. So Do you feel like You was was he upset that people wasn't getting it or Feel like you got to try harder. I don't know how long I'm a centric. I'm weird, right? I'm odd. So I See things I'm really optimistic in any situation. So I know that in life. Also, there's no such thing as right or wrong That's another conversation for another story. It's perspective Yeah, really life is all brought down and what brought down to my perspective on this record I knew when I made this record that it was gonna be a controversy if I tell you anything if I tell you I made this with a pure heart It's somewhat of a large. It's 70% of a pure heart, but 30% I knew that it was gonna be controversial Because I knew and I knew that the people that was gonna be mad. It was gonna be the people that look like me You know, I didn't see too many different races disagreeing, but of course it looks like I'm I think about it if if if we like from everything from the From this dress like what a set and all that stuff So I feel like you you definitely took it there with the presentation also So, yeah, I feel like you definitely got the message across. I don't think anybody took it how they was close to Or I can't even say how they were supposed to I don't think everybody saw the bigger picture I think But And I actually was told not to drop that record right because it happened in the midst of what happened to judge Floyd Yeah, and I was told for my friend just he said don't drop this record right now Wait for it and how I listen to him. I would have never you know, this was my stamp of coming back, you know, because One thing about me. I can totally admit that I fell off So but I was incarcerated and I also had lack of work that I needed to catch up on so this record solidified me back in To music to show people like y'all I'm here and I'm here to stay. I'm like that cock. I feel like it solidified you It's it definitely solidified me regardless to what the opinions are regardless of what the opinion and you always you always you always Gotta gotta gotta maintain that confidence because I promise you one thing about this world is that if they could break through your confidence They're stomp you they don't care And that's what anything in life. They don't care like that's why the most Successful people is like holes never leave a response to anything, you know Yeah, I yearn to get to that level but My confidence level is through the roof. It's it's there's things that you can't tell me and that's not no ignorance. That's just This this this but because I take an inventory on myself I know if I did something wrong or says something wrong. I'm also human but If you telling me that I like Italian and music then I beg to differ But I respect the perspective Okay, so let's get to the plus size. What's summer year like proudest moments in music so far? my proudest moments is a lot of things that I've I Lot of people in my city that I inspired to do music Neekbuck's got a song where he says He was beefing with the Ville we had the hammers and the lockers. We know what mortgage was he was trying to be like knocker The TJ porters the anybody any any any kid that's really coming up from Harlem that knows my story and I Gave them that the motivation to to become who they became That motivates me more than anything There's other things that I can mention, but what the inspiration is the love come from your city It's that's the mode for any city just one person come to me and just tell me that they It means more because yeah, I agree. I agree. Um, but I Just people that you don't know that that that right there is just like and then Of the views the amount of features that I've done the a lot of things that I did when I was first To do, you know things like that, but I really don't really shine light on accolades because It's been done, right? So I'm over what I got to do So what's what's the end goal? The end goal is to Become the Mahatma Gandhi of hip-hop That's like a joke that probably a lot of my people watching thing. Oh, but you know like you know I want to change the outlook and I want to change the mindset of just If I could just get the kids that want to change to hear me. I don't want to change the world. I Want to just change the mindset that want to change? Yes, and I want to I want to inspire and I want people to just be able to look at me and say I feel you and know that no matter what trials and tribulations I went through I fought, you know, I fought and I kept fighting your goal is to keep inspiring keep inspiring to keep Keep teaching, you know what I feel is right. So what's like? What's something I am bucket list like one thing of course inspiring, but do you want to go plaque a Grammy? Oh, yeah, I want all that. Yeah, it's still a it's still a competition, right with self with me And that's not the politically. I'm really in competition with myself And I mean that The people that I'm in competition with quietly is you know, the jaco's the JZ's You know, and that's only because it's a good. It's a good jealousy I have for them like damn. How did you get this good? You know? Yeah, so my goal is to to get the Grammys to get to get to get a main record So to have a album out of a tons of albums But consistency of that happening is really the goal because I know when I when I get it, right? We're gonna want to do it again, right? So I'm what's next for you about any projects collapse? Right now I've been dropping Singles I feel like I needed to work on my buzz and Just keep building right now because dropping a project when you don't really have a Big enough following it's like you just it's falling on deaf ears And the type of music I make I would hate for that But a project is definitely gonna come but right now. I just got some dope amazing videos and songs Yes, yes I'm not at liberty to speak on but it's one it's one and it's actually and it's not I'm not in liberty because of like Contracts. I'm not no bullshit line. It's more. So like I didn't get the full. Yes. Yeah. So that's what I'm waiting for But right now I'm not really worried about big features and that's not because I can't reach out or get them or pay for them I'm just more so focused on building your own brand building my brand of rubbing shoulders like literally and I've used that context because I heard you you use it, but that's really what I'm about I'm trying to get I'm trying to get with the young guys Get them on good. No get them on get them on music to where they can still be them and I can still be me Let's merge this talent. Let's bring your fan base to me Let's bring my fan base to you and I'm trying to also show them Even if you got no views or no, if you got the talent, that's work. That's work not anybody though, of course So tell me where to find you where to find your music things like that my Instagram is not going to my YouTube is not going to your Facebook not going to your wine. Teo stands for young nation taking over. It's all about you Yeah, follow me man, and I hope you fuck me