 Next question is from Epic Mantra Fitness. What are your thoughts on the statement you can't judge someone's health by looking at them? I would say this. I would say you can see a certain amount of someone's health, right? You can't see everything, but there is a certain amount of someone's health you can see by looking at them, but there's a caveat. What is your filter? Are you yourself a healthy person? So I'll explain what I mean. If you had asked me to someone look healthy when I was in my late teens, very insecure, super into bodybuilding, I just needed to build muscle because I hated being skinny, all that stuff. And you showed me a ultra-ripped shredded muscular person. I would have been like, yes, that's healthy. Today, oftentimes I can see somebody that looks like that and I know they don't look healthy. So it's the person who's looking. And here's your evidence right here. You got so many people that do so many things to their body to make them look better, but in reality, it's all fake and false, everything from plastic surgery to anabolic steroids and drugs and all that stuff, that it just becomes extreme. And because so many other people are unhealthy, they look at that and they think they're attractive. So if you're a healthy person, you can usually see a decent amount of someone's health simply by looking at them. Of course, it's not 100% though. Well, and I also think too, this is totally different when you're looking at pictures versus somebody in real life. I mean, there's just so many examples of filters and ways that people have hid dark eye circles and real visible signs that their body is fighting something internally. And I think that, I mean, this is a natural thing. I think that people have that's in our DNA to where we can see somebody and we could see visible signs of unhealth. That's something that like we're sort of geared towards, especially when we're going to reproduce with somebody. And that's something that I think that it's weird that you would deny the fact that like we're not constantly judging people based upon what they're presenting. So I think that, and I don't know if this is inferring the whole weight at any size being healthy and all that kind of stuff. Like if that's being thrown in the mix because that's a totally different conversation. I don't think we can. Just because, I mean, you just mentioned a great point Sal is that if you asked me when I was 20 something years old, which by the way, already schooling behind me, years of training people, a fitness professional, think I know a lot about it, I would still have been way off on it. So I think that the majority of people cannot judge this. We have just, and we've been conditioned to look at someone's body and assume that because they look a certain way that they are considered healthy. Look at the covers of Shave Magazine, Men's Health, Muscle and Fitness, your Instagram celebrities, celebrities in general, like everything that we've been told, like this is an example of health many times. And much of what we used to talk about when we first started Mind Pump was uncovering this. Was that your fitness professional or this person who we are highlighting as the pinnacle of health is not healthy at all. They're taking anabolic steroids, they have a terrible relationship with their body image, they have a terrible relationship with their friends, their family. There's so many things that encompass health that you can't see. And I also know what I've dealt with personally myself. I have to be in, if I looked at the last 20 years, I have to be in the lower, not definitely not the worst at all, but I would say I'm in the lower percentile of what I would consider my best aesthetic shape. But I have to say that I'm probably in the best overall health shape I've ever been in my life because of the other balances, my financial health, my spiritual health, my relationship health with my family, with my friends, the job that I'm doing, the things that I'm, the other aspects that take care of an encompassed health in my life, meditation, reading, all these things that I was not doing to take care of my complete spectrum of health, I wasn't doing before. But if you look, if we were to take my shirt off and show a picture of me versus what I looked like just six years ago, someone would be like, oh my God, Adam is so unhealthy now compared to what it used to be. You know what's funny? Yeah, I would agree with like the general person for sure. I don't think like a lot of people pick up on those signs or even aware of it. I do think there's ways to learn that. And that's something that we've done is health professionals, we've learned all those signs and symptoms. And like as a professional, you could point out just by the posture of somebody too, a lot of times whether or not they're ill or they have visible signs that their skin is, like looks a certain color or something like that. Yeah, you're a healthy person would be able to see that you're healthy, you know? It really depends on your... They gotta be really healthy that I'm gonna do that. Well, what I'm saying is you're right. Because I gotta be educated too. Well, look at what we consider health, youth, that's what we consider as healthy. Anything that looks young. So a woman that has her hair colored so that there's no grays, well, you know, the average unhealthy person would say, well, they're healthier, right? You know, a big fake butt. Some people might be like, oh yeah, she looks healthy or you know, a guy that's all roided out and got a six pack or whatever. Yeah, he looks healthy. So it takes a healthy filter to be able to look at someone and say, are they really, really healthy overall? And there's a lot you could tell by meeting someone and talking to them too. Sometimes you look at someone and physically they seem pretty healthy. You start talking to me like, well, especially the mental health aspect. Yeah, that's really hard to see. Obviously unless you're like in a room with them talking for a while. Right, right. So okay, a fun game for us to play then right now, okay? Of our other friends and peers in our space. Oh gosh. Think name two or three people that come to mind right away that you think of like really embody or encompass like full spectrum health that are really healthy that we've seen and hung out with in person. Okay, now. I've got two right away that come to mind. Now nobody's perfect. So we're not gonna, I don't wanna give like an example and then think, oh, this person's perfect. You mean just people that we know that you meet and you go, well, this person's... Well, yeah, we're sitting here. We're making a claim right now that we can look at somebody and say that they are healthy and they embody health. And so I'll give you mine since I'm the one who started it came out. They're like two friends of ours that I look at. Every time I see them in person, they glow of health to me. And that's Max Lugavere and Ben Greenfield. I mean, Ben has to have some of the craziest looking skin and hair and when you're in person with him, it looks crazy. He looks 10 years younger than what he really is and he doesn't seem to age. We've known each other now for six years. You can just say Paul check on some looks. Paul would be another one, right? I would say, I mean, maybe I'm cheating here but I'd put Doug in that category. Oh yeah, Doug is absolutely. Now I'm sorry. That's how fair we see him every day. Well, but I know him better, right? Than anybody. And I'm counting all of it, right? All of the just mental health and spiritual health. I'd say Serene too. And Doug Serene, who's on our YouTube channel when you meet her, she seems like a very secure, healthy, vibrant individual. But yeah, if you have unhealthy filter on, if you got glasses on that through your own insecurities and your own misconceptions of what health looks like, you're not gonna see health. You're gonna see your own unhealthy filter through with other people. And that's my case why I don't think anyone can judge it. I think it would be hard for us as trained professionals to see tons of examples, but like Justin alluded to, there's other things that encompass health that even our eyes can't necessarily see. I threw out someone's name like Ben. For all I know, Ben is like internally suppressing all this shit inside of him that he doesn't feel like he's himself or he's going through imposter. I can't tell that. I got someone, Arthur Brooks. Arthur Brooks to me, when you talk to him and meet him and see him and he comes across a very calm demeanor. Yes, very good, generally balanced, healthy individual. That's one example. Well, what I love why I wanted to do this is that I guarantee you that there's, we didn't name a hundred people that look to the average person that have been on this podcast, that they look like the healthiest, the most ripped, the most fit and like they would be in that category. And we named off kind of average looking kind of bodies. I mean, Ben's a little more ripped and lean. Ben's looking pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, he looks pretty crazy right now, but not crazy crazy. Not like he's- To the average person. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, everybody else, Max, not so much. Paul Check, I mean- Well, Paul Check considering his age? Yeah. That doesn't even make sense.