 when they play into these more like submissive sexual stereotypes and really sell themselves as that it does contribute to the pattern of portrayal in media. Are white women now mad at Asian women for taking all the good liberal white guys? I don't know but that is the premise of Elaine Cho's new viral article where she calls out a lot of the shameful and stereotypical Asian female characters that were written by white liberal female comedians who she says probably subconsciously imagine Asian women as a threat. Oh man Elaine Cho is on a hot streak man first she went on the cut discolonizing white guys in real life now she is dissing Tina Fey's writing you know in the writer's room basically saying why are you making us look like sleutie magrutes Tina you're supposed to be liberal you're supposed to be progressive how come all these liberal progressive white women are still writing that's like we're homewreckers dragon ladies Wendy dings is that how you really see us whoo all right guys we're going to talk about it from a micro a mid and macro perspective we do have a special Asian female guest that's going to be weighing in on this so if you guys are excited please hit that like button and check out other episodes of the hot pop boys now get on to the micro all right you guys let's get into this in the micro I will say this I think that she's correct obviously she has 20 years of examples liberal white writers writing Asian women as like you know essentially sleuths and basically people who will steal your husband even though he's a mediocre white guy and he she's like 30 years younger do I think that there have been some examples of this manifested in real life I'm sure everybody's seen it if you like live in a big city so I think that there's that aspect and I also think that to be fair Elaine Cho is making a career right now or getting like really well known dissing white people although I will say I agree with a lot of her things that she's writing you know there may be some like motivation to do it yeah for sure I think that her voice does count because she's able to write and appeal to the liberal white like Hollywood audience versus like maybe an Asian woman who's straight from the enclave who's keeping the super azn like people like Holly was not going to care about her opinion right you're saying that Elaine Cho is very interesting because she's on the inside enough that they let her diss them on their own platforms it's like you're dissing the white women who read Vanity Fair on Vanity Fair which is pretty meta yeah and one last thing of the micro is like guys I think it's a cycle when it comes to Asian characters listen for a while growing up we just wanted to see Asian characters that were acknowledged as Asian come on give us Asian characters give us Asian faces and then you get some Asian faces and you're like that's not the Asian faces or characters I wanted and then now you're just complaining and trying to get your way to have them write better Asian characters so things are getting better and better and evolving mean girls was in 2004 obviously when we all watched it back then it probably went over our head all the offensive material that was in there but now looking back on it you're like oh not cool for sure when you look at it within retrospect everything Elaine Cho points out is offensive and would not happen in 2022 however that was a different time a different era different standards for everything moving on to the mid I'll say this I mean I think Elaine Cho is really interesting because she's very deeply enmeshed in the white culture but it seems like as she got older she reached a breaking point where she was like I thought I was just like passing and blending in with everybody that was why I probably have all white friends you know white relationships and things like that and then she's reaching this point where she's like noticing everything is not equal for despite like being in the party yeah I mean I think that she's very relatable in that sense that a lot of like people are waking up to this I don't always want to use the word woke but she is like woke now to all these things that were happening for a lot of her life and maybe to her it's hitting her and be like yo now it explains a lot of the stuff that's happened in my life wow yeah I think a lot of people when they want to be in a room and they want to be part of the frat or the sorority they're going to overlook that they might not have first citizen status maybe they have 1.5 because you know 1.5 citizen status Andrew it's enough to make you kind of gloss over it when your second class or third class citizen it's like pretty obvious you're like I'm being clearly mistreated I want out of this frat but when it's 1.5 you're like well there is a lot of perks and benefits I'll take it all right so now I want to move on to the question on like who's accountable and in order to talk about this I think it's important that we have like an Asian female voice in this uh because we are talking about like an Asian female author with Asian female representation so that's what we're gonna do oh Andrew we also have to dress the gorilla in the room that is sort of like hinted at at the end of the Elaine Cho article are white liberal women truly jealous of Asian women in 2022 because they're taking all the good liberal white men out of the pool all right so we have Rue with us a our special female commentator guest uh first of all what do you think about the article um I thought it was pretty eye-opening it definitely highlighted a lot of patterns that I was never really exposed to in my social circles so the only example I was very familiar with was the Mean Girls one and at the time because I was still pretty young like middle school age um I just noticed that they were Asian um and you know it was a funny movie everyone was like being joked I didn't really see it as super offensive yeah I mean to be fair I will say this and first of all I'm not fully disagreeing with Elaine Cho but the blonde women get played out super hard in Mean Girls as well as super ditzy dumb almost stereotypical archetypical things I mean I think Tina Fey made a career off stereotyping people but stereotyping people in a smarter more thoughtful way than like previous tropes yeah I will say if they made a Mean Girls three in 2022 I'm sure the same tropes would not be recycled I think it would have to be updated for the times especially everything that's happened listen but of course I think Tina Fey uh it's like 40s in her 40s Elaine Cho I believe is like 40 you know what I mean like they're from that era where man there probably was a lot of sideways stuff said about Asian women obviously Asian guys too but that's not the point of this video about you know from white women towards Asian women like that era like the life of a 40 year old is way different than the life of a 25 year old like let's be honest culture changes so when it comes to the topic of like who's responsible of course you can always look at all the people the producers the writers even the actors to a certain extent you got to blame them but like in your opinion like who should be held accountable for this kind of stuff um is it everybody I'd say in the media portrayal because it is so white dominant um a lot of white women like Vanity Fair it's all white women you know throughout yeah who who runs Vanity Fair it's probably like 95 white yeah yeah so with producers of shows movies also a lot of white women um of course they're the ones writing these sorts of jokes um bringing forth these sorts of characters however I'd say there are also a multitude of reasons why Asian women in real life are playing into these sorts of uh stereotypes like it is a trope that you not only see in media but I don't cancel me guys you also do see it manifest itself in the streets of any metropolitan city in America yeah we've seen this in real life at times yeah yeah I'd say I haven't come across that many Asian women in my demographic um like around my age uh more social type who are direct representations or direct reflections of these characters that we see that are so exaggerated they more so take on um a couple of qualities of these characters right so you're saying that you've seen uh shades of these characters in real life but obviously these movie versions are way more yeah yeah is it a generational thing you think because Elaine is older and obviously I think this is even uh more perpetuated amongst the older family fair it ain't a Gen Z publication it's not like the 18 year olds on TikTok like I don't even know if they know what Vanity Fair is um I think the white women who have been perpetuating these sorts of stereotypes are definitely the older generation personally um with my white girlfriends I haven't even heard any of these sorts of stereotypes like brought up but have you heard it from the older generation definitely and I've been on the receiving end of this sort of like shadiness uh criticism and just general like insecurity from them right them thinking that you might play out like one of the Bridget Jones characters with somebody they know yeah whereas with uh white girls who are my age um like fresh out college type when I'm hanging with them and like their white boyfriends like it's all platonic no one cares I don't feel any sort of way you know that's interesting well I mean it makes sense because their cultural references and touch points and real life like reps that they've seen are probably very different than a 40 or 50 year old white woman I mean what do you think do you think that Andrew's opening question that Elaine Cho kind of poses at the end of the article and she doesn't really get into it she tries to just kind of sidestep it do you think that liberal white women are threatened by Asian women because a lot of Asian women do date the good liberal white guys I'd say for the smart progressive ones there is definitely the element of insecurity when it comes to intelligence and really matching that sort of level I do think it comes back to what field we're talking about in a STEM field you're probably gonna hear less Asian woman slander and less Asian guy slander less Asian slander in general but if you're talking about entertainment which is very visual based and it's not technical based vibes based vibes based story based cool based obviously yeah people are gonna use their power to slander Asians a lot more and yes Asian women are also being part of that slander yeah definitely which is why I feel that the Asian woman I have noticed in my life who date more white guys or integrate themselves more into white circles they are doing it strategically whether it's consciously or subconsciously unconsciously um they just notice the pattern of well they're trying to be part of the white society yeah some sort of upward mobility um when it's in these sorts of entertainment like music industry fields it's all connection based the people at the top surrounding them are all white so they kind of know what they have to do what kind of act they have to put on to get there um and I don't think it should be like blaming them we shouldn't be condemning them for doing that because you know we're all in this country just like trying to build a life for ourselves but yes when they play into these more like submissive sexual stereotypes and really sell themselves as that it does contribute to the pattern of portrayal in media and as a result like the rest of society seeing us that way without revealing too much of who I am or what I do um I'd say I'm more of the focus of documentaries there's a very niche audience of you know young girls who are trying to be very ambitious driven and need um asian-american role models to look up to in these sorts of fields who are in like more positions of power so you're saying you're not looking at the fiction field sitcom field you're more looking at documentaries about power asian women rising up the ladder of corporate america whereas with uh the more general entertainment focused population who just want to watch you know a funny movie like mean girls a character like the over sexualized girls who got the coach um that would be way way more entertaining than someone like me who is just trying to mine their own business you're saying that the writers aren't coming to your work looking for characters and seeing you as the main inspiration you're like no I'm much more of a documentary character okay so um 60 minutes on asian women killing it you're like a big company no I'm much more of the interviewee not a acting character a comedic character um let's talk about the macro and close it out here of like what do we do from here on out because Elaine at the end of the article she says listen this needs to change but I'm not gonna wait on white people it's on us and then she ends it there she doesn't have any like specific like calls to action which I thought it was a strong ending and she had me but then I was like wait what do we do Elaine whoa because the whole article feels like she's about to ask for like a laundry list of things from white people and then she goes but I don't need it well she won't give it to me maybe it's a cliffhanger for a next article I don't know but like I guess what is some advice and I think you kind of mentioned it of like don't look too silly entertainment for role models look to it for entertainment versus like you know look on uh you know in the professional field for role models um I guess what what advice do we have for people what can we do what is some call to actions I'd say the most obvious would definitely be to integrate women into all aspects of media um whether it's less bias forms just like news reporting and then more entertainment like comedy like mean girls type um another thing that we could do on I guess a personal level with our relationships with white men white women is to just really hold our own not give into the stereotype that Asian women have to be more submissive um and really mold themselves around the white man in order to achieve the life that they want of course if they just like white guys if they want to be friends with white girls like by all means like you like the banter you like the Sikami everybody's conversations are that's the culture and lifestyle that you want then yeah so be it however you should not be I guess diminishing your own Asianness like your own morals and values and what really makes you like more Asian-American don't downplay and delete any Asianness in order to do that yeah exactly and by doing so I believe culturally the white circles that these girls are around they will respect them more and really see Asian women and subsequently Asian men who get more involved with them as less you know the quiet like mousy um just like awkward type and overall just have more respect what do you think um Elaine chose like third article should be about because she's kind of on this like hit streak where she's like boom the cut against white men boom vanity fair dissing I mean at least criticizing you know liberal white women I would really love to see an article where she explores the perspectives of these Asian women more and goes deeper into the intentions behind not only writing these sorts of characters but playing it out in real life with their personal relationships um you mean kind of a self-reflective of an Asian woman perspective would be like hey why why does this stereotype exist it is sure that she hasn't really broached the topic of I guess self-agency or culpability in article one or article two yeah and I'm not seeing it in a way to really blame or condemn Asian women for putting themselves into these sorts of characters in real life um or these relationships and situations but it is something for us as Asian women to remember that the more we act like this in real life the more people are still going to keep believing this about us and these characters are still going to be made and it'll still be normalized all right you guys thank you so much for watching this video huge shout out to Rue thank you for being our special guest today given the female perspective and my final takeaways is that man I'm really excited to see what Elaine Cho writes next to be honest I mean I think she's doing a good job of stirring up controversy um I do think it's it's interesting that she's like becoming woke after seemingly like kind of let it go for a while but at the end of the day kudos to you um I have some questions for the audience some calls to action is uh I want you to leave it in the comments down below answer these questions like should we kind of like in hindsight look back at all these series from like 2015 12 years ago with all these problematic characters and do we delete these and cancel these series to ourselves like do we stop watching them like even friends is accused of a lot of like diversity issues and there was like one Asian woman on there but maybe she wasn't even portrayed correctly either so I'm like yo do we just got to cancel friends and so that's what I want to ask a lot of people out there who watch a lot of entertainment I think for me I'm just looking more forward because the past is the past and we can micro analyze it but you know like for me one thing I'll say is like I would never spend time in the urban hip hop world and then talk about how like Foxy Brown was like misappropriating her Asian heritage or like her eighth you know Chinese Haitian or whatever like you know what I mean I would never sit there and do it right out of line should we should we get at China doll for using that yeah I mean because I kind of understand I'm like hey man they run their world out they run it and obviously it's not it's not like fully how we would want it but it is what it is like and also like yeah what are some solutions or what are like is the the topic of self-agency is that a legitimate topic you know like uh everybody contributes for stereotypes the Asian guys like you know that's why a lot of Asian guys tell her the Asian guys to work out because we want to combat that exact stereotype that we have so I guess those are just questions for the audience let us know what you think I think this is a ongoing conversation and I'm glad that we got to talk about it with you Rue and thank you everybody for watching and until next time we out peace