 Knights Common Council meeting before we start the meeting I'd ask our city clerk to read the court for the week Thank You mayor It is time for us to stand and cheer for the doers the achievers The ones who have recognized the challenges and did something about them. Thank you Sue Call the 26 and final Common Council meeting to order. Please call the roll Boran Excuse Davis Hanna Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel and Verhasselt 15 present Corm is present all the money. Would you please lead us and pledge allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Alderman Maddie for all of the minutes president Burr. Yes, thank you your honor I feel like Artie Johnson on Laugh in if you remember when you're very interesting He was always behind this behind that guard and Laugh in may be appropriate at some times in terms of this delivery of body I would move that we approve the minutes as entered on the record Motioned second to approve the minutes. Is there any discussion? There is not all those in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries minutes to approve Resignations a turn clean Lee Montemayor, Jr. Advising that the submitting its resignation from the Civil Service Commission effective April 13 2007 I'd ask for motion to confirm look to confirm Accept and follow my excuse. I mean make Excuse me. It should have been a motion to accept in file. So you've got that. Thank you very much And there was a second any discussion on that all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries resignation is accepted Email from Dustin Havens Advising that he's resigning from the Commission on Aging and another motion to accept and file moved to accept and file Motion second under discussion There is none all those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries There's one that's a letter from David Cooke advising that Effective June 1 2007 he's resigning his position as environmental park director for Maywood And I'd ask for motion to accept the file move to accept the file Motion and second any discussion There is none all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries resignation is accepted Confirmations mayors appointments. I mean The hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration the special table of organization review committee Alderman Mark Hannah Marilyn Montemayor James Warren Sean Rice John Signer and Derek Rupp all appointed effective today signed by the mayor that lies over and Is that it? Okay. Thank you very much attorney McLean Next item on the agenda is proclamation for the staff of TVA. I would ask the staff to please come forward We have Scott and Kerry here. This is a proclamation Quite frankly, I'm very honored to to present to these two gentlemen and one is taking care of the cameras a lot of times We don't see these guys because they're in the back or working very hard at doing something else at the studio But this is an award that reflects some of their accomplices that's given to them because of their their accomplishments Whereas TVA provides public access television to the city of Sheboygan Whereas TVA is a department of the city of Sheboygan represents the city to its viewers and Whereas TVA is part of a WAPC the Wisconsin education Association of Peg Exit channels and whereas WAPC hosts an annual spring conference and presents awards to peg channels for exceptional work and Whereas at the spring 2007 conference TVA will receive statewide recognition for several programs and Please note these the award of merit for the world broad-eating championship The award of merit for TVA sports north and south basketball Sheboygan Armory final game Three the award of for significant community program and award for sports talk and for the award of achievement for TVA bulletin board and five the the award of achievement for walls of remembrance and Then the final one the award of excellence for music and motion with Judy stock Folks these are a lot of awards and they have done a remarkable job and I thank you for that and I recognize you and congratulate you Well mayor, I'd like to thank you for the proclamation and I'd like to thank our TVA staff Scott Melloff here in particular and Steve Reiner back in the booth behind the wall Also TVA it's been in existence since 1982 so we've been around for quite a while and There was a time when we Had to bring up our camera cables with camera mounts in the back and over here by Steve McLean Where we had camera operators? the TVA truck was parked down in the street and It was quite operation at that time In 97 we installed these camera wall mount cameras and Things are working out fairly well, but we need to keep up with technology So we are hopefully going to continue doing that and into the future Next I have is public forum There's no one public forum before we go to the hearing just like to make a few comments We have Alderman Davis, Alderman Ratke, Alderman Susha, Alderman Graf, and Alderman Berg Our president of the council that will not be with us anymore at least further this coming year Some of them decided not to run for election and some of them did not win the election But I wanted to thank each one of you for the great job and the great work that you've done You have made a difference in our city You have made a difference to the people of Sheboygan who look to us for leadership and sound Decision-making so thank you for the hard work that you've done. I wish you the best of success in your future endeavors And by all means if you're around stop by say hi or join us at the gallery. Thank you very much well we've got Hearing we just got one hearing okay to change the text of the city's zoning ordinance to change on section On the use of required off-street parking areas. Is there anyone that would like to address the council on that hearing? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone? There being on president Burke. Yes, I've moved that the hearings be closed Motion second close hearing any discussion There is none all those in favor say aye Any opposed? Motion carries here in his clothes president Burke and sent agenda. Yes, thank you your honor I moved to accept and file the aroles accepted adopt the RC's and place all the general ordinance upon their passage And this is 26 one through 26 31 and there's a second under discussion There being on please call the roll Burke Davis broth Hannah Kittleson play Eunice Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled and boron 15 eyes motion carries report of officer to 26 32 26 33 lies over 2634 to 2649 to be referred Alderman Montemay or Thank you your honor. I'm referring to agenda items number 2642 2643 and 2644 Three documents asked to be referred to committee of the whole and I moved to file Motion the second to file 2642 three and four under discussion We've received and read these communications. We know how they feel I Don't think we do need any further discussion and we thank the writers for their concern We have the information we need we can refer to these if we ever need them in a few in the future and we appreciate the opinions from the citizens of Sheboygan on 2644 I'm Asking to have it filed from committee of the whole Thank you I'm sorry. You're asking all from committee of the whole all three committee of the whole. Yes, okay So that could you explain that that you want them all filed instead of referred to any of the whole correct, okay? All in boring under discussion Thank You your honor. I'm 2644 that will no longer be going to the Committee of the whole but it'll still be going to public protection and safety and in addition I would like that referred to Salary and grievances and finance Okay, I could make a motion to that effect what Yeah, it isn't referred to public protection and safety. It's referred to community the whole No, it says public protection and safety also It says on the on the Agenda could we this will make it this will make it a little cleaner if If all the money went to my order would withdraw her motion on 2644 and just 42 43 to be filed and the second of the drawn And we'll just refer 2644 to salary and grievance and you said which else finance finance and it was also on there to go to public protection and safety Do you still want it to go to perfect your safety? Okay, I'll remember the matter in agreement with that motion. Yes. I am changing who's second Are you okay with that? Okay, so here's a motion folks 2444 will stay as this But we'll be referred to public protection and safety salary and grievances salary agreements and finance in 2442 43 to be filed any more discussion Alderman Hannah Could I also ask that 44 also get referred to the new committee that I'll be on the that short-term committee. It's a document that I think we should Oh, you're talking about special committees. Yes, okay, and Referral special committee on the table of organization. Thank you Anymore discussion that's good idea There being on All those in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries. Thank you very much resolutions introduced three 2650 by old man graph authorizing to purchase an agent to enter into contract for local telephone service Alderman graph. Thank you, your honor. I would ask for suspension Is there any objection to this first suspend there being on please proceed and your honor I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Which in the second to put 2650 under upon its passage under discussion There being on please call roll Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled Warren and Berg 15 eyes motion carries 2651 by Alderman Hannah establishing a special table of organization review committee for the city of Sheboygan Alderman Hannah Thank you, ma'am May I also ask for suspension rules or or we do we have enough time to let this go through the regular process? We don't need no, we don't need suspension just put the resolution. I'd like put the resolution upon its passage Motion the second to put 2651 upon its passage any discussion There is none please call the roll graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled Warren Berg and Davis 15 eyes motion carries 2652 by Alderman Ryan Approving the terms and conditions of the contract for lease of land and a computing ground lease between the redevelopment authority and sparrows point LLC Alderman Ryan. Thank you your honor. I move for suspected of the rules There's a motion to second. Is there any objection? There is none. Please proceed. Thank you sir I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second to put 2652 upon its passage under discussion But your honor, this is a basic ground lease the same ground lease we've used for the entire South pier district 85 year ground lease Nothing new here for the council. Thank you Alderman Ryan No more no more discussion. Please call the roll Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel Verhaselt Warren Berg Davis and graph 15 eyes motion carries 2653 by Alderman Manny and her hassle adding the mayoral administrative officer to the group health insurance committee Alderman Manny Thank you. I moved to put the resolution upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There being on please call the roll Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled born Davis graph and Hannah 15 eyes Motion carries just wait a couple of seconds. Are you okay? All right, good 2654 by Alderman Manny and Verhaselt Dissolving the current community health insurance advisory task force Alderman Manny Thank You your honor. I moved to put the rest person a loot resolution upon its passage motion and second Must be the water we drank today because Any discussion? There being on please call the roll Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled Warren Berg Davis graph Hannah and Kittleson 15 eyes motion carries 2655 was a Resolution to change the three business persons added to the city County Sheriff's Service Committee from non-voting to voting members As you'll recall this council passed a resolution making them non-voting members and At the meetings they have been voting But the reason they have been voting is because the committee itself granted them that authority to vote So this resolution is not necessary if they're going to continue that I would ask that that committee handle It the way it did the last time so I would ask for a motion to file Motion the second to file any more discussion They're being on all those in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries. Thank you 2656 through 2661 to be referred Reported committee 52662 to be referred Reported committee 6 2663 through 2668 to be referred 26 I'm sorry 2668. Please make a notation when we don't normally refer them when asked for some of the days We just refer them to finance Is there any reason why anybody wanted to send to Blue Harbor? Generally all on graph you want to say something if yes your honor I'm one of the reasons it's it's I'm going to Blaboo the Blue Harbor Committee excuse me is because finance Directed the Blue Harbor Committee to To review the policy and procedures that connect that's connected with the number of days available and so forth And we asked them to look at it and come back with a policy very good Okay, thank you for that explanation it will stay as it is we refer to both committees for part of committee 7 2669 by the short-term committee on employee remuneration Submitting their report Summarizing the total cost of labor to the city with the cost of labor in private sector alderman many Thank You, your honor. I moved refer this report to the committee of the whole of the new common council Motion in second refer it to the new committee of the new Committee of the whole of the new common council any discussion Alderman playlist Thank You your honor. I want to thank the committee for the work They did it's a very interesting work And I think it'd be very helpful in the new budget and in terms of the table of organization as alderman Hannah asked for So I thank you for the timely report. Good job. Thank you very much. I'll McLean is an old one many I echo those words done a great job. Thank you We will take a vote on referring it to the committee of the whole of the new council all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 2670 to be referred Report of committees 826 71 by finance recommend and authorizing a transfer of appropriations and in the 207 budget Thank You, your honor. I would move that the RC be accepted and and file in that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Manny Myer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderweel Rehastled boron Berg Davis graph Hannah Kittleson and Clioness 15 eyes motion carries 26 72 by finance recommend and approval for the fiscal year 2007 one-year action plan for the CDBG program submissions and passing the attached substitute resolution Alderman graph Thank you, your honor again. I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted and the substitute of the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion Alderman Hannah Thank You mayor. I think we need to if I'm correct. I think we need to move All the person clowns his name off that Resolution it needs to be struck. Okay. Oh, it's a it can stay on there, but you did abstain, okay, right? So it doesn't have he was she was I'm sorry. She was not even in attendance. We're taking her off. Okay. Thank you She wasn't in attendance Thank you Alderman Maddie. I'm no Hannah Anymore discussion or being on please call the roll Myer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderweel Rehastled Boron Berg Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness and Manny 14 eyes one abstention Motion carries ordinances introduced 10 2673 by Alderman Susha Clowness Kittleson Manny and Montemayor Mending the municipal code so as to add the position of part-time coordinator of volunteers to the mayor's office Senior Center table of organization Alderman Susha Thank you, your honor. I moved to suspend the rules Motion second to the spend is your any objection There is none. Please proceed. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion. Thank you I just wanted to point out that this new position that's being added a part-time position Coordinator of volunteers at the senior center is going to be paid for by the friends of the senior center So it's not going to cost the taxpayers any money to add this needed service. Good point. Thank you Any more discussion They're being on please call the roll Excuse me Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vanderweel for hassled Boron Berg Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny and Meyer 15 eyes motion carries 2674 to 2680 to be referred matters laid over 11 2527 but an oral oral number 5790607 by the city planning Commission Recommendant amending the text of the zoning ordinance so as to modify their section on the use of required off-street parking areas Alderman Montemayor Thank you, your honor. I moved to accept and adopt the Arrow and the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion second under discussion There is none, please call the roll Radke Ryan Susha Vanderweal for hassled Boron Berg Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer and Montemayor 15 eyes motion carries 2590 an oral oral number 580607 by the city attorney submitting as a matter of record the decision of the by the Wisconsin Supreme Court in pool versus city of Sheboygan President Berg would like to move file. Yes, your honor. I would See to find the first move to Accept and file the report of officer Thank there's motion second. Thank you. Any discussion? There is none all those in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries 2646 resolution number 2910607 by old man graph Hannah Susha Clowness and born Authorizing the transfer of appropriations in 2007 budget almond graph Thank you, your honor that resolution along with the next one 2547 which is 2920607 I would move that both resolutions be put upon their passage motion and second under discussion There is none please call the roll Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Berhasselt boran Burke Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor and Ratke 15 eyes motion carries 2591 resolution number 2930607 by all of them and Meyer authorizing entering into a contract for professional services Of the for the monitoring and reporting of the sanitary flows within the city within the city sheboyan sanitary interceptor sewer system All of them Meyer. Thank you, your honor. I would like to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage Motion and second under discussion under discussion I would also like to make a motion to amend the resolution to change the fee from $50,000 to 67,000 and to change the account number to 601304110520124 dash 0 and I would also like to I would also like to ask mr. Bebel to come up and explain we need a second to that motion to amend there's a motion and a second to amend Mr. Bebel would you please come up sir? Mike is on Thank You mr. Mayor Real quickly basically what was before you the amendment the original resolution that we we had before you We had put that in before we actually received the quotes from the our engineering consultants What the $17,000 extra provides us is? The contract is is for to do Monitoring of our sanitary sewer system during the wet weather season and that's what we're approaching here in April What it does is we the initial proposal was for a four-week period What we did is we to cover ourselves and provide some insurance that we do get weight wet weather events for this monitoring to occur We asked the proposal to extend it another four weeks for a total of eight So that's what that $17,000 covers now provided if we get wet weather events And we get our monitor monitoring results within the four weeks the 17,000 does not have to be spent So that's what that 17,000 is for the the account number was different When we had initially put it in it was under a capital improvements But actually this will be coming out of our sanitary sewer maintenance account in the money is within the budget Thank You mr. Bebel Any further discussion? There is not we're going to take a vote on the amendment as explained Please call the roll Susha Fander wheel for hassled boron Berg Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke and Ryan 15 eyes motion carries all my ironing motion to Put the resolution upon its passage as amended. Thank You honor so moved Motion and second any discussion There'll be a none. Please call the roll Vander wheel for hassled boron Berg Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan and Susha 15 eyes motion carries 25 73 general ordinance number one oh one oh six oh seven by almond Burke Manny Susha for hassled Kittleson boron Clioness Serra Radke Meyer Hanna Montemayor and Vander wheel Maybe I should have said who wasn't in there instead who was Related to the one-way streets in LA so as to delete North 7th Street from Pennsylvania Avenue to Erie Avenue and North 9th Street From Pennsylvania Avenue to Erie Avenue President Burke second year on a move to put the general ordinance on its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none please call the roll for hassled Boron Berg Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha and Vander wheel 15 eyes motion carries 25 78 general ordinance number one oh two oh six oh seven by almond Susha Clioness Montemayor Kittleson and Manny Amending the municipal code so as to create the job description and job code for the MSB secretary and eliminate the MSB Timekeeper and clerk typist in the Department of Public Works table of organization all of them Susha Thank you your honor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none please call roll Boron Berg Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel and for hassled 15 eyes Motion carries 25 80 general ordinance number one oh three oh six oh seven by almond Vander wheel Sarah Meyer Montemayor and Berg Relating to time zones and to add what a one-hour time zone Monday to Friday 8 a.m.. To 5 p.m.. Except holidays located along the south side of Union Avenue 85 feet west of the West curb line of South 14th Street almond Vander wheel Thank you, honor. I'd also like to take 25 81 25 82 25 83 and 25 84 Please do and make a motion to put those general ordinances upon their passage motion in second to put 25 80 25 81 82 83 and 84 upon their passage under discussion There'll be a non. Please call the roll Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled and born 15 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 2681 will be referred to the finance committee of the new common council 2682 an RC by public works recommended filing documents submitting a communication from the Great Lakes fishing company Incorporated requesting that when the city is replanken the boardwalk That the concrete surface in front of their business be extended an additional 50 feet and approve the request all in my Thank you, honor. I'd like to make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee Motion in second under discussion There'll be a non Please call the roll Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled born and birth 15 eyes motion carries 2683 an RC by public works recommended filing documents submitting a communication from the president of the Boy, I can't pronounce that word who can help Concordia requested that they be able X brick and X are good dice, okay That they'll be able to use fountain park for their picnic on August 10th and be able to use the name German nights in the park Sponsored by Concordia and approving the request Okay Alderman Meyer Thank you, honor. I'd also like to make a motion to accept and adopt this report of committee Motion in second under discussion There'll be a non We just we don't need to call all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries Thank you 2684 a resolution by Alderman Montemayor and rehearsal proposing certain changes to the Department of City Development and Department of Public Works Table of Organization so as to transfer the city engineering department to the Department of City Development Alderman Montemayor Thank you your honor. I ask for suspension Is there any objections to spend the rules? There is none please proceed. I move the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion Alderman Clayton Thank you, your honor. Wouldn't this be material for the special committee of table organization as well? And you don't think it it was an issue that was discussed by salary and grievance, but we're There's no transfer of money or anything like that. All it is. It's supervision Okay, this is why and we're asking it to be approved Alderman Montemayor Thank you your honor you answered it. Thank you Alderman Hannah I Would I would also thank you mayor I would also think that you know the the new committee is going to be able to comment on that sort of thing So I don't think that's off the table for us to at least comment Thank you any other We'll talk call of the vote. Oh, please call the roll graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Sushia Vander wheel for hassled Boran Berg Davis 11 eyes for nose motion carries 2685 in ordinance by Alderman Montemayor and Verhassell amending the municipal code so as to delete the position of deputy director of planning and Development and to create the position and job description for economic development manager Alderman Montemayor I ask for suspension, please Any objection? There is none. Please proceed. I'll make a motion the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion I Can explain feel like yes, please. This is this is one of the positions at Paulette Andrews director city development has been asking to To move a little faster But because there's been delays in the table of organization has been put back I believe since mid December or something like that It's been a while that she's been waiting to to proceed with this is a position that Pete Fullerton had and it's been changed actually saving that's the city money and she needs to be to get moving on that Older man Ryan you answer my question. You're out. Thank you old man Ryan any more discussion Being on please call the roll Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Mayer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for Hasselt Warren Davis and graph 15 eyes motion carries The next item is notice of intent to discharge the salaries and grievance committee regarding the following documents all of them in Susha Thank You your honor. I would like to take documents 24 73 7 4 75 24 79 2436 23 53 and 2476 all together if that's all right with you Please do all right my motion would be that all the RCs be accepted and adopted the arrows accepted and placed on file And the Geo's put upon their passage Motion and second under discussion Thank You your honor I just wanted to thank the salary and grievance committee which consisted of elder person Montemayor Manny other person Kittleson and older person Clowness For meeting with salary and grievance throughout the year most standing committees meet less than 25 times in a year and salary and grievance was approaching 45 meetings in the Past year, so I didn't feel that we needed to meet just to Go through routine procedure of making a motion to file all these in committee. So that's why it was sent to the common council I didn't feel I needed to pull them in for a special meeting But I would like to just comment the majority of these documents Pertained to the reorganization project and the majority of them are feedback from the other standing committees And I do appreciate everybody participating in that process. I did receive a few phone calls After the last meeting in regards to what the reorganization project was all about I would just like to take a minute just to highlight a few key points I know that the special table of organization review committee is going to be looking at a lot of these issues And I I wish Alderman Hannah lots of luck This this entire project was made up of concessions It started out with some suggestions from employees it involved discussions with employees department heads The mayor the souring grievance committee there's a lot of feedback that was obtained over a 10 month period of time and Some of it was just main Routine maintenance housekeeping to the table of organization There were 15 positions that were unfilled unfunded and needed to be adjusted to reflect reality So the reorganization project was going to clean that portion up and remove those 15 positions because they haven't had people in them in some cases for many years The the reorganization project also was going to change the current Classifications of 20 titles on the table of organization and reclassify them into about 13 other positions, and then there were just a couple of areas where there were needs identified For example in exchange for Eliminating the two community service officers We would have been able to add to patrolmen people who were actually sworn officers When you looked at the job description for the community service officers, you found that a lot of their time was spent With hanging bicycles picking up abandoned bicycles They spent a very small portion of their time actually writing tickets for expired parking meters It was only approximately two hours a day, and I guess my philosophy is is that why should we increase property taxes? If somebody's breaking the law and not plugging the meter I'd rather have them pay the fine rather than increase everybody's property taxes, so This would have been a good move We were able to look at adding the parking meter monitors over to the parking and transit division of the city Since it is their obligation to take care of parking issues. That was something that the the parking transit committee agreed to take over and look at Contracting an outside firm where we wouldn't have to pay city benefits, so that was going to save the taxpayers a lot of money There were also a lot of compromises made by other City department heads, and I do want to thank the department heads that were able to combine some positions I think this is the wave of the future. We need to continue to move in that direction and Also just a couple comments in regards to some changes in the DPW We were suggesting that you add five seasonal park workers, and this was really the compromise What I really wanted to accomplish when I started looking at this cost saving initiative the total cost savings to the taxpayers was over a million dollars and Due to compromises it's down to 320,000 and I challenge alderman Hannah to come in with more savings for the taxpayers rather than less But one of the the key components that I think the city needs to continue to look at is how to provide the same or better level of service to the citizens for less money and The suggestion that I came up with was as people retire If you were to hire seasonal workers in the public works department one full-time person is Equivalent to hiring seven seasonal workers, and if you were to change the entire face of DPW over a period of time what you could do is take all of the full-time current employees and promote them into positions of lead men and also Supervisors so in the long run they would benefit because they would have higher pay So when they retire they would have more of a pension But what you would have to do is go from 141 full-time people over a period of time down to let's say 70 full-time Permanent people and then in the meantime Even if you went with a ratio of five seasonal employees for every one person that retires You wind up with so many more hours available to work Like I said, this would save the city so much money I don't want to get real complicated. It's easier to look at in a spreadsheet But the bottom line is is if you went from 141 full-time people over a period of years Down to 70 part-time people and if you hired five part-timers for each one that retires You would have a workforce a part-time workforce of 350 people that could work up to 600 hours a year the benefit of that is that When you work under 600 hours a year you don't have to pay the city doesn't have to pay into the Wisconsin retirement fund You know these are the things that I think need to be looked at Also, if you had 350 seasonal people if you looked at the total number of hours worked and equate that into Numbers of full-time people doing a change like this over time You'd actually be adding work equivalent to adding 35 full-time people to the Department of Public Works And this would save money so I think things like this need to be examined over time I think that this entire project the efficiency and cost-saving initiative is only step one It's only phase one in the reorganization project reorganization and changing the table of organization is always an ongoing process on one other big area That needs to be seriously looked at is Changes in our IT department. There are so many things the city is really literally decades behind technology And I think that if we invest more into the technology end We will find that our need for the actual human resources actually paying the wages and benefits will start to decrease And that's going to also be a savings to the taxpayers. So I just want to wish this new committee That's being formed lots of luck and especially Alderman Hannah, and I hope you're able to bring in more cost savings. Thank you Thank you all in Susha any further discussion There being none, please call the roll Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for Hasselt Warren Berk Davis Groff and Hannah 15 eyes motion carries Other matters before we go into other matters Alderman Manny passed out an amendment here Make sure that you bring that with you to the committee of the whole discussion That correct Alderman many. Thank you turn the clean other matters Thank you your honor 2086 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications to the period ending June 30 20 at 2007 and June 30 2008 that will be referred to law and licensing 2687 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a summons complaint in the matter of Ronald E. Yoast jr. Versus the city of Sheboygan that will be referred to risk management of the new council 2688 is a communication from Dolores Olsen Executive director of Sheboygan County Chamber of Commerce stating that the chamber has offered leadership training And one of the parts of their programs the shadow of community lead For part of a day and requested the council defeat the resolution being brought in regarding eliminating the ride-alongs with the police department That will be referred to risk management of the new council 2689 is communication from Patty Glaser Martin director of marketing public relations of St. Nicholas Hospital Requesting permission to hold the annual St. Nicholas Hospital Freedom Run on July 4th 2007 that will be referred a public protection and safety committee of the new council 2690 is a resolution granting St. Nicholas Hospital permission to hold a freedom run and walk on the streets and sidewalks of the city of Sheboygan That will be referred a public protection of the new council Motion second under discussion all in the sushi Thank you your honor I would just like to take this opportunity to thank alderman Radke for all of the hard work that he's done on the committee We came in together at this at the same time through the same election and I appreciated his help and his friendship I appreciate the fact that he stuck to his goals of being fiscally responsible he helped with the elimination of the stormwater fee and I'm most proud of him for the effort he made with the marina He's the one that brought in the ten-point plan to try to turn the marina around and I really think he needs to be applauded for that because The citizens aren't happy with the way things are going with the marina And I think alderman Radke did the right thing by by trying to do this So again, I just wanted to thank him for his service to the city. Thank you. Thank you All in favor of adjourning say aye any opposed motion carries spend adjourn