 Mike Graham is a loudmouth radio host employed by Talk Radio, which is part of the Rupert Murdoch Empire. It's always been clear. Mike Graham is a little dim. I've met him before. I've tussled with him on social media. But an interview this week takes the stupidity to a new level. This is Mike speaking to insulate Britain activist Cameron. Morning, Mike. Oh, hello. What are you glued to, Cameron? Just your screen, unfortunately. Unfortunately? What do you do for a living, Cameron? I'm a carpenter. A carpenter? Right. So how safe is that for the climate? Well, I work with timber, which is a much more sustainable material rather than concrete. You work with trees that have been cut down, then, don't you? It's a sustainable building practice. How is it sustainable if you're killing trees? Because it's regenerative. You can grow trees. Right. Well, you can grow all sorts of things, can't you? Well, you can't grow concrete. You can. See you, Cameron. Cheerio. That was Cameron. He grows trees and then cuts them down and then makes things from them. Brilliant. Marvelous. I don't think I ever want to talk to any of those people. I watched that clip so many times. Again, I just watch it a bit. I watch it a bit now. I don't know if I've ever watched it since I was a little boy. I never watched it. And then we're back with a reality show. I don't know if it all happened, but we've got to go. I'll watch it one more time. I'll go. I'll watch it one more time. I'll go. And I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. It's a great choice, doesn't it? Right, so how safe is that for the climate? Well, I work with timber, which is a much more sustainable material rather than concrete. I also work with- You work with trees that have been cut down, then, don't you? It's a sustainable building practice. How is it sustainable if you're killing trees? Because it's regenerative, you can grow trees. Right. You can grow all sorts of things, can't you? Well, you can't grow concrete. You can. That silent moment where he just looks at the camera. Tea camera. Cheerio. That was Cameron. He grows trees and then cuts them down and then makes things from them. Brilliant. Marvelous. I don't think I ever want to talk to any of those people. I don't think I ever want to talk to any of those people. I don't know what people he was, you know, carpenters. He doesn't want to talk to carpenters because- Just anti-carpenter bigotry that is just rife. I mean, also, firstly, this video has actually dominated my relationship over the past two days because all my partner wants to do is just watch this video and just like, can we please have dinner? And he's just like, there's just one more time. Like, let's just talk about, like, how amazing- Firstly, also, this guy should do media training. It didn't occur to me that I could just not say anything and just let them, like, hang themselves with their own rope. But I just- what I find so funny about it is that talk radio posted it? Like, what? I refuse to believe that that was not posted by, like, a disgruntled employee trying to troll Mike Graham because how could you possibly watch that and not be like, oh, this makes our entire channel and our flagship host look like a clown? So the original tweet says, Mike's interview of Insulate Britain spokesman Cameron lasts less than a minute. And then they follow that up with watch more Insulate Britain fails on YouTube. That was not an Insulate Britain fail. That was a Mike Graham talk radio fail because he thought you could grow concrete. I don't think to have an opinion on how the government should respond to climate change. You have to work in a green industry. Most people have different kinds of jobs. But this guy had specifically a very, very green job. He works in a green architectural practice, which is based on sustainable wood, where you grow the wood, that absorbs the carbon, then you create it into timber, use it instead of concrete. That's actually a carbon sink, because until you burn that wood, which will hopefully never happen, then it will never return to the atmosphere. So that's actively removing carbon from the atmosphere. But Mike Graham was, I suppose, just too, too dim to work that out. He has been sort of trying to, he went on the radio, on talk radio, again later saying, no, concrete can grow because it can expand, which makes absolutely no sense.