 and welcome to the video pre-show was that just Superman or was that something else? Star Trek Fine I thought it was Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum for the beginning of Superman Very similar That's still my most favorite Star Trek series Yeah, that's good I liked it too a little dark but Maybe I'll do pretend I'm done about Star Trek Oh, you would never stop you'd be doing it forever Yeah, I couldn't do TV shows but I could do the movies as well Yeah, the movies would be fun That would be a long series Why are you wailing doing here? Why are they talking about that big candy bar in the sky? So put it here, guy Somebody took a... Nope, never mind, sorry The guy looks like the guy from Fringe Yeah I mean, I'm the guy from Boston Legal We had this argument a couple of weeks ago, didn't we? Yeah, we did I'm gonna have it every couple of weeks with you because it's really fun The movie's terrible Alright, it's not terrible It's just not as good as everyone thinks it is Uh... I just want to say Roger, are you on mute? I'm starting to come around to Mad Max Fury Road Okay, because I'm hearing some callback We're two minutes out Everyone's getting crowed, man Everyone Let me mute myself The fact that that National Review Board which I know is not a predictor for Oscar's success made it their movie pick It's a predictor of Oscar nominations Exactly, and that's what your prediction was It wasn't that they would win this picture Yeah, it's my whole prediction Everybody wants to interpret it as they're gonna win No, no, no, no, no They just need to be in the top, then that 10 which is a big cross I'm starting to think you might be right I'm telling you, they're all eating I'm already... I've got crow in my Amazon cart Ready to order Crime now, crow I was on Crime Now, Crow to be drone-delivered into my mouth This show's so fun Name another nine movies and you can maybe name four and you're gonna run out and then you're gonna go, oh, yeah, I guess you're right Maybe that movie does fit this year in the 10 I know it's a genre movie I know it's an action movie All right, boys It's gonna happen All right Everybody ready? My mic okay, am I coming in okay? I think you're good, Jenny, how's he sound? Y'all sound great Y'all have great show now here All right You want help, here I am All right That was very southern All right, this is a spoiler for the December 29th episode, by the way right here The Daily Tech News Show is brought to you by me Thanks, me If you also wish to bring it go to DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support That's DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, November 2nd, 2015 I'm Tom Marry joining me as he does most Wednesdays Mr. Scott Johnson of the Frog Pants Network How are you doing, Mr. Scott Johnson of the Frog Pants Network? Mr. Farat Scott Scott Shakkar, that's what you almost said You didn't call you Steve this time No, you didn't Still haven't gotten over doing that six years ago Listen, I've forgiven Have you forgiven yourself? I haven't, I need to do that I am also constantly punishing myself for forgetting Glenn Peralta in various shows, but I'm not gonna forget him right now because he's joining us on Wednesday. Now, Glenn normally joins us on Friday to illustrate the show, but we're talking about illustration software with Scott today. And so we thought it would be fun to have Glenn come in and give his perspective as well. Thanks for joining us, Glenn. Oh, thanks for having me. It seems a little bit weird here. It feels like just kind of an alternate universe here. Yeah, Jenny almost took off for her weekend as soon as she saw you. So did I. I almost started making spaghetti for some reason. You started making spaghetti for the kids? That's fantastic. Well, we're gonna talk about Adobe's new announcements with Scott in a little bit, but first let's get to the headlines. Mark Zuckerberg wrote an open letter, or rather a post, I guess, because it's on Facebook, to his newborn daughter, Max, who I'm also seeing called Maxima. Maybe it's Max for short. Anyway, Zuck is pledging to give away 99% of his and his wife Priscilla Chan's net worth during their lifetime. That's currently about $45 billion. The Chan Zuckerberg initiative will be an LLC that will then fund nonprofits. It won't be a nonprofit itself. It also is intended to make private investments and participate in policy debates. The LLC's profits, if any, will be put back into charitable efforts. Zuckerberg will not give more than $1 billion a year to the initiative and he plans to continue to retain his majority position as majority stockholder of Facebook for the foreseeable future. Now, Scott, we talked a little bit about this on the morning stream this morning. Looking over it since then, I can say that this LLC, while set up to do public good, definitely looks like it also could be a lobbying organization. It feels like they're leaving their options open, not necessarily with succinct nefarious plans or anything, but they're leaving their options open. And I'm not sure in the same position any of us would do any different. I'm sure he's getting lots of advice from legal experts and lawyers and everybody else, telling him what he should or shouldn't do for this. But it's not like we don't have other philanthropists in the tech sector who have done amazing work with entirely nonprofits, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation as an example. So I'm not sure why this is this way. Maybe it's because he's only 31 and he's gonna be at Facebook for a very long time or at least for a foreseeable future. Maybe that makes a difference, whereas Bill and Melinda Gates and others who are involved in that charity are done. They're not at Microsoft anymore. They're not doing any of that. They're not coming back. They just wanna focus on eradicating malaria or getting toilets in third world countries or whatever it is. And maybe he's just so young still that this seems like the prudent thing to do from a legal standpoint, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, the positive side is that he's a very young person doing something like this maybe in a different way, but it's more than many do who make fortunes. Bill Gates waited until he was at retirement age to do something and I'm not slagging Bill Gates by saying that, that's the norm. So you can give Mark points there. The other side of me, the cynical side, if I wanted to take a cynical reading of this is he is making a big press splash by dragging his baby into it. And it's not even a nonprofit organization and it's going to do lobbying, maybe for good ideas, maybe not. Maybe it's just gonna do like a velvet hand sock puppet lobbying for Facebook initiatives that will erode our privacy. Well, and some people would say an open letter on Facebook is not a personal letter to your daughter. I mean, she's an infant. She can't read it yet. One day she will. She'll be really angry. You gave away everything at my birthday? Crap. Yeah, I mean, somebody did the math earlier this morning and it was something like if he was to retire today and give away 99% he would be left with $400 and something million of money to live on. And he's not giving it all away today. It's a billion at a time. He's got 45 billion. He gives away a billion at a time. That's still 44 years before he even has to get towards the end of 99%. Part of me also, so here's my cynical side and then we can leave this thing. But I feel like maybe there's a little bit of a, I wanna be the guy that's next on the list of people who make Teslas and other weird Elon Musk style things where I'm going to space or I've got these other initiatives that Jeff Bezos has or whatever. When is it his turn to be tech entrepreneur that makes his fortune and then does something crazy and inventive or flips a market on its ear, does something else like these other guys have done and this leaves that open a little bit for that and it covers it all in charitable stuff but it also makes it possible to maybe eek his way into some. I think you may be onto something here. It splits the difference between, I just wanna do crazy tech things, which is what the Elon Musk and let's face it, the Sergei Brins of the world are doing that they think will make the world a better place but they're doing them because they're really interested in them and the Bill and Melinda Gates, which is, we wanna be serious and solve malaria. Maybe he wants to be the Elon Musk of malaria. If you know what I mean. Battery powered malaria and the rocket. I don't know what that means. You know what I mean. Yeah, I know it too. That was my high school nickname, by the way. Was it rocket-based malaria? No, the Elon Musk of malaria, nevermind. That was his player nickname. Well, interesting. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, EFF, as it's known by those who follow them, has filed a complaint with the FTC. This is them accusing Google of unfair or what they're calling deceptive acts or practices regarding Chromebooks in schools. The EFF claims Google collects non-educational data, especially that through the Chrome Sync service or the Chrome Sync feature. Google has signed the Student Privacy Pledge in which it promises to use data for authorized education purposes only, rather. The Future of Privacy Forum, which helped create the pledge, does not believe that Google has violated its restrictions. Remember, they made the pledge and they're saying, well, we don't think they did. Google said it believes its tools comply with the law and its promises, and they say that they're sticking to what they committed to. Yeah, I've been thinking about this one a lot. I'm not even sure where I come down on it. Obviously, we jokingly disclose, but seriously, my wife does work for YouTube, which is a Google company. I think that the EFF has a point. And the point is that Google collects all the information it can all the time. And what's going on here is in this educational setting, it's still collecting information. It's not collecting information directly from apps. It's following the rules. It's not putting advertising on the Chromebooks that are used in the education section. There's no smoking gun of horribleness here. But I think what the EFF is trying to point out is even when you take away the big stuff, there are still third-party websites that can be logged. There are still Chrome Sync, which sounds like a great thing. It means, oh, if I log in from Chrome at home, I'll still have all my bookmarks from school, right? But it also means that information is stored on servers which Google can then use. The EFF is taking a zero-tolerance policy and saying it shouldn't be collecting any information about these kids that isn't directly related to education like it says in the pledge. The people who made the pledge are saying, look, Google's not collecting it. Those are kind of side effects of using the tool in another way than for education. But they're not collecting the information from the educational tools. And I can see both sides of it. I think it's good of EFF to raise the question. Maybe this is one where, God forbid, the courts should decide whether this is a violation or not. Yeah, I don't know. It's a weird deal. It just feels a little bit like there needs to be, someone needs to take into account mitigating circumstances, because that's what we're talking about here. Letter of the law versus, I suppose, spirit of the law to put it another way. And I guess the law needs to either have allowances for that, or if it's as black and white as they say, well, then maybe the EFF has a point. And remember, Google signed a pledge saying, we won't use the data for anything not directly related to education. And the EFF is saying, because you signed that pledge, that's a deceptive act, because you are using it for non-education related. So the law that they're saying they broke is deceptive practices, deceptive acts in promising that. It's not that the promise itself became the law. Some would argue that we're just so litigious with everything now that the EFF doesn't want to push this one. As hard as it may be, others that are very legitimately need to be pushed, and thankfully, they're there to do it. But it does sometimes, this today after we talked about it, I thought about it too, and I'm still kind of torn, because law is the law. And interpretation of that is then down to a court, perhaps, but it also, this feels very, I don't know. It doesn't feel like anybody's doing anything wrong, and that maybe some of these people. Well, because they're not advertising. Some of the data from browsing, especially if it's in Chrome Sync, is on Google servers, and that data can contribute to the big pile of data that Google uses to improve its search results. And the EFF's saying, well, it shouldn't. That's Google building its business on the backs of children. Recode's Kara Swisher reports that meetings reported to consider selling Yahoo. So if you've heard these reports, Wall Street Journal reporting like, oh, they're having meetings to decide to sell Yahoo. Kara says, those are no more than a typical multi-day annual board meeting. Contributing to the confusion, she says, are debates about spinning off Yahoo's investment in Alibaba. Yahoo owns a lot of Alibaba stock. They intend to divest themselves of that stock. And one way they could do that is to form a company that holds all of that stock. There is also the fact that Activist Shareholder Starboard Value has asked the Yahoo board to consider, instead of doing the spin-out, keep the Alibaba stock and sell off the rest of Yahoo, because they feel like that would save more money in taxes for investors. So it's kind of a flip move to avoid taxes. A spin-off called Abaco Holdings is still planned for January. And other divestments, such as what Yahoo should do with its stake in Yahoo Japan, which Yahoo doesn't fully own. They're just a stakeholder in Yahoo Japan. That's also under consideration. There's other restructuring that might happen, maybe spinning out other parts of the company. And Kara Swisher says, that's what's contributing to all these rumors that Yahoo's gonna sell itself. However, just before the show, and thanks to Chia for pointing this out, the Wall Street Journal continuing to report that it has sources that say people are shopping around for the parts of Yahoo. And they say that people familiar with the matter cite Verizon, Barry Diller's IAC, TPG Capital, as companies that are investigating. Again, if Yahoo is going to spin out Abaco, if Yahoo is going to divest maybe Yahoo Japan down the road, these companies might be sniffing around saying, hey, we might be interested in buying parts of those, let us know. The only other thing I would say is a hint with all of this was they're buying patterns after Melissa Meyer joined the company and sort of kicked in, was pretty rampant. They were buying everything from Tumblr to I can't even remember what all. They just kept buying these little companies and everybody kept wondering, well, what's their plan? What are they gonna do? Well, they're stocking up on these companies. Maybe they have a plan. Tumblr's a big player, blah, blah, blah. That kind of stopped about a year ago. Haven't heard a thing about Yahoo acquisitions from anything, from anywhere. And doesn't that sometimes sort of foretell when something's going on? Because I'm not saying that they couldn't have a shift and that's just now we're not buying things. I understand that. Even Google, I feel like they haven't been buying a lot of companies lately. It's just that stopped to a standstill and you didn't hear anything. And then the very next thing you start hearing about Yahoo is that they're thinking about selling off chunks of it. It's possible Yahoo's buying companies we're not hearing about. It's very true that every company Yahoo invested in after Marissa Meyer took over got attention that it might not have gotten otherwise. But that said, you're right. When they acquired Tumblr, that was a big name acquisition and they haven't had any big name acquisitions like that that I can say I've seen in the past year. So yeah, it's definitely Yahoo. Marissa Meyer's time to prove she can turn around Yahoo is here. People were declaring her a failure when she was six months on the job and that was entirely unfair. This is the moment when she can finally put her stamp on it and say, this is what we're gonna do with Yahoo. We're gonna successfully extricate ourselves from Alibaba. We're gonna divest ourselves of this, this, this and this and restructure as this enterprise or even sell ourselves to maybe Verizon and get folded into AOL or some crazy stunt like that. Whatever happens in the next six months with Yahoo is kind of the defining moment. Well, there you go. PC World is reporting that the price difference between SSDs and traditional spinning hard drives is in fact shrinking. That seems like all right news. Research by DramExchange, DramExchange, rather. Is that right? Yeah, DramExchange knows. DRAMExchange. DRAMExchange, that X is throwing me off, man. It's like the 90s all up in here. Anyway, it predicts SSD prices will hit a 24 cent per gigabyte price in 2016. That is down from 39 cents, rather, per gigabyte today if it went and priced it out. That will hit a, let's see, and with a further 17 cent gigabyte drop in 2017. So hard drive prices are expected to remain around six cents a gigabyte over the next few years. I can't even believe that sentence came out of my mouth. Remember when, I didn't want to think about when gigabyte- Can't make that expanding hard drive? Yeah, I know. How much they used to cost. Anyway, you can expect to see that stay relatively the same over the next few years. That means you'll be able to buy a 256 gigabyte SSD or solid state drive for those who are not in the know. For the same price as a one terabyte hard drive in 2016, the SSD price drops are attributed to new advances in nanotechnology and increased competition. And I would just say the natural flow of things. At some point, you are diminishing returns on how much lower your margins can go on mechanical hard drives and the other stuff's just gonna get cheaper, smaller, more compact. And this was a long time coming, in my opinion. I've already preferred paying the extra, like it got within the realm where like, it hurts, but I'm gonna buy flash or SSD because it's just saves me power and saves me time and saves me frustration. And this is just saying basically within five years, magnetic hard drives will be used for their specialty purposes that they're good for. And that'll be it. Well, in my house, I've got two functioning production machines that are desktop. So Mac and a PD. And I've got a notebook and a couple of tablets and the other day it occurred to me. Oh my gosh. None of these things have CD drives on them right now. And none of them have a regular spinning hard drives and all of them are SSD stock came out of the thing. You know, got them when I got them. And that's weird to me because it kind of came out of nowhere. I also don't buy discs anymore of any kind. So this whole like change that we predicted for years and talked about, wanna be great when we can just download or stream our movies and buy our video games and never have a physical disc anymore. And when that'll all be on these super fast solid state drives, boy, those will be the days. Suddenly it came and it went and I hardly noticed. So boom, we're here. Yeah, well, we're not here yet. And we're nearly there. 24 cents a gigabyte versus six cents a gigabyte is still a sizable gap. So it still makes sense to buy, if you're looking to save money, it still makes sense to buy the spinning hard drive. But if that's your priority. Uber is announcing a program where app developers can register their apps in Uber's dashboard to give them a line of code that they can add to their app to make an Uber button show up in either iOS or Android versions. But button can be placed next to addresses in the developers app or other intent to ride locations in the app. If the developer signs up for an Uber affiliate program that can also earn up to $5 for each new rider that signs up for the Uber service. So expect to see more call a ride buttons here. Lyft is doing stuff like this as well. Yeah, more mustaches. Samsung has developed a VR web browser for the Gear VR. Remember the old one? The VRML or whatever we used to have? Yeah, yeah. It was supposed to be the hotness. Well, it's back everybody. Called the Samsung Internet for Gear VR. The browser uses voice recognition and a screen keyboard for input. Enabling the gaze mode allows Gear VR users to select menus by looking at them, which is very interesting. According to the next web, the app is in beta and will be available for download in the Oculus store as early as tomorrow. In fact, it will be tomorrow, not even as early as it will be tomorrow. Yeah, unless they've changed their minds, which I hope they don't. Adam Bynes-LeVe wanted us to mention that TechCrunch reports an internal memo from Mozilla chairperson, Mitchell Baker, says that he believes the Thunderbird email client, quote, would thrive best by separating itself from reliance on Mozilla development systems. Now, he doesn't come right out and say we're gonna spin Thunderbird out, but he does say it's unclear what tactic they should take, whether it be a separate open source entity or a business partner that takes over Thunderbird, Mozilla passed development to a volunteer community in 2012 and they just do extended support patches now. So Thunderbird has been kind of more abundant since then. I was gonna ask, what's the market for that? There are people, there are people. They will reach out to you if you say no one uses it. Oh, I know, and I would never say that. In fact, I used Thunderbird for years and years and years and I loved it when it was there, but I just feel like we're, I don't know, that felt so 2005 to me. I'm not just saying, oh. One thing that's, you know, if you're worried about privacy, cloud service email under the law after it's been in the cloud for a few years is considered abandoned. So one way to keep that email out of spying hands is to download it through a third party client like Thunderbird or the old fashioned Eudora back when that existed. So some people do it for that and increasingly do it for that. The problem here is that trying to make Firefox compatible with Thunderbird has become an impediment to developing Firefox. And so that's why Mozilla wants to separate them, I think. In that case, I think I agree with them. If it's stopping you from doing what you need to on the Firebird side, then perhaps. Or even the Firefox. Firebird, did I say Firebird? Yeah, you did. Wow, you put me in the mind of Thunderbird, dude, and I'm. Yeah, you just mash them right up. That would be the other direction. You just make them one thing again. Like Mozilla, like Netscape communicator. Yeah, let me try my free Juno mail account while we're at it. Anyway, registration has opened from the Nintendo account service in Japan. So this is the service that will allow players to transfer game data between mobile games and console games. This has been talked about for a while. The first of Nintendo's smartphone games, Mi, Mi, I always say it wrong, Mi Tomo, I believe is how they're saying it, is supposed to arrive in March, 2016. This is there like social, let's build a little Mi guy app, let's share it with my friends, blah, blah, blah thing. It's not really a game yet, but that's how they're gonna get started. Expect to see, in my opinion, Nintendo for the first time ever really embrace multi-device, multi-functionality account systems that let them truly have integrated friends lists and gamer tags and all that other stuff, because for years now they've been relying on some really old, weird ideas and I think it's finally time. So step number one happens in a pan, it'll happen here. And then Nintendo's off to the current day, I think, finally. Business Insider notes a McAfee Labs report describing marketplaces hosted on tour sites, the onion router sites, that still, I'm sorry, that sell streaming service logins for as little as 50 cents. Talking about things like Netflix, HBO, valid logins for those services, Spotify, et cetera, are obtained without the account holder's knowledge. Sometimes services are opened with stolen credit card accounts and some sellers are even providing a guarantee of lifetime access to an account you buy as well as a help desk. Wow, so wait a minute. So if somebody hacks and gets my ad or my Netflix login stuff, will I only ever know if they've used it if I'm logging in and more than two other people have it right then and it says, sorry. Yeah, whatever your limit is, if that, then you'd be like, wait a minute, why am I getting shut out here? That doesn't make any sense. Get off the TV, I'd say, and then I'd realize it wasn't him and then, yeah, I don't like this at all. This is scary. Yeah, and honestly, this isn't news to a lot of people, like lots of logins that are sold in secret sites, often hosted at Dada onion locations, et cetera. A help desk, that's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Recode reports, Qualcomm, and I get this wrong every time. Xiao Mei, no? Xiao Mi. Thank you. I can't do the Chinese names. Announced a patent licensing agreement Wednesday. Xiao Mi. Xiao Mi. It will pay for patents relating to 3G and 4G phones. One more time. Xiao Mi. Is in a dispute with Ericsson, but reaching deals will allow them to expand into more markets where even more people will have trouble pronouncing that one. Well, that's why they're just going with me for their accessories here, for the US tongue to be able to, I've gotten used to it now, but I guess, yeah, it took me a while to figure out the proper pronunciation or even anglicization, frankly, of it. I don't think I actually pronounce it properly, but Xiao Mi coming to other markets is going to face patent battles. And so having a license like this with Qualcomm goes a huge way into paving the way a little easier for them to bring their phones anyway. That's why you only see their accessories here. They don't want to bring Apple's mighty patent weight down upon their heads. Oh, and they really can't consider that that might be a reason to go out of that market for a while. If I'll make your stories like that one in the tour one, those came out of the subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Let us know what we should talk about on the show. Big thanks to all the people who submit regularly in there and the 5,000 people in there voting on the stuff as well. That is a look at the headlines. All right, so features, we talked about it yesterday, announced Adobe Max in October and IBC in September, finally launching on Creative Cloud from Adobe. Big new features on Photoshop. We've got big new features on Illustrator, Premiere Pro, Adobe Audition. And also, of course, as we talked about yesterday, particularly Adobe Flash Professional being renamed Adobe Automator. So Len Peralta is here and Scott Johnson has been looking into this. Now, Len, before we start, let me get this correct, you're a couple of versions behind. I do use Adobe products. I do, I use them every single day and I am one of the holdouts, the lone holdouts here, who did not move over to the Creative Cloud. A couple reasons why I didn't do it. First, I didn't really see a reason why I needed to. Every day it's like one of those, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It would just be to be updated to the latest one and I didn't, what I was doing on it wasn't really anything that I needed to upgrade. And plus, it's also still an investment. Now, you can make of course the argument that, well, it is an investment in your business, but once again, if it's not broken, I didn't find a reason to fix it. But I guess there's a bunch of new things out there. Scott's complaining with himself. Yeah, so Scott, start off with Photoshop and tell us what's new. And maybe as we talk here, we'll see if we can change Len's mind. We'll see if we do. We'll see. Yeah, I mean, I have to admit, back when the CC stuff started to roll out, I was very hesitant and I only got on board with they had a pretty good discount going for kind of a promotion. And I do think that there was a period there where it was smarter to stick with your previous versions because they really weren't offering anything, heads and tails above what you were already using. The service though has been attitude and sort of improved upon in a way that has made it vital for me. It is my lifeblood and absolutely worth the 40 or whatever dollars it is I pay a month for that thing. And I pay for it like it would any utility. It's a thing I feel like I have to have. And part of that is on, good on Adobe for providing a lot of added value over time. One of those bits of added value is not just the updates and the regular fixes or additions or whatever, but they're adding all new software. Back to your point about Photoshop. We're wondering what's different here. One of the big hangups of Photoshop for a while now has been that the workspace and the functionality of the app continues to be sort of stuck in, I don't know, three versions ago. It's not really changed that much and actually maybe one of the reasons existing Photoshop users didn't feel as compelled to jump to CC. What they're finally doing with this major update is they're adding a ton of stuff, not the least of which is the ability to truly customize down to the tool everything you have on screen to make that both important and usable and awesome on desktop but also on touch devices, in particular things like the Microsoft Surface Pro line and that sort of thing. They do seem to be much more cognizant of the idea that a lot of us are doing, a lot of this productivity on our mobile devices, whether it be tablets, notebooks, or even cell phones. Along with this launch, they launched something called Adobe Capture. Adobe Capture CC, to even use it, you have to have a creative cloud account. But if you do, and once you use it, it might change your life. And I was so freaked out about how much I liked this yesterday that I had to kind of pinch myself. So, Len, you know how there's times, there's a little inside baseball for artists out there. You need a color scheme for a website for something where you need to have a range of colors and they need to be complimentary. And a lot of that, we can eyeball, we've been doing this for a long time and designers kind of know what to do there and there's a lot of preset stuff out there. But if you are looking at something like an object and saying, well, I really want a color scheme that fits this carpet I'm staring at or something, there's an app, or in this Capture thing where you can hit your camera to start it. I mean, I can't show the camera this, I wish I could. But no matter what object I'm looking at, a bunch of color, a little dot screen, and they start making a color scheme based on what you're looking at. You know, Pantone had that a real long time. I actually had that. It was like a little tiny thing. It looked like a little, just like a little device that you put it on anything and it actually gets you the CMYK RGB breakdown for that item. That is, yeah, that's cool. That's exactly what this is. It's essentially gonna, to provide that for you. You can save those color schemes out, sync them directly to your Creative Cloud account and immediately use them in Photoshop Illustrator wherever you need them. So that kind of stuff is really cool. The shapes functionality is awesome. I mean, how many times are you and I sitting in some public place, got a little sketch pad in front of us, whip up some quick black and white art, and you're reading something in pencil and go, you know, I really want that for later, but you'd like to maybe improve the time it takes for you to either redraw it or scan it in and then clean it up or whatever all these things you do with it. This second thing's called shapes and you can take a photo, essentially a scan of the object, convert it to vector and immediately throw it into the Illustrator or Photoshop and start editing right away and it does all this cleanup for you, fixes all your squiggly lines, straighten stuff out. Really impressed with that. That kind of blew my mind, because just as a way to get quick ideas from one space to a productive space, that's really awesome. You can create your own brushes, literally take a photo of your hand and then turn that into a brush in Photoshop. So now you've got a hand-shaped Photoshop brush or any shape including real brushes. Take a real brush, stick it on paper, boom, there it is. Import that directly into Photoshop. It's suddenly part of your tool set as if you had to go download it somewhere. So you have all this customization all coming from this goofball app. And finally, there's this thing called looks in here that lets you, again, take a photo of some sort of area and say, all right, well there's a bunch of colors and it tells me with these bubbles which colors are more prominent than others and then I can apply those as filters on photographs. So I can take a photograph that I wanna add more flesh tone to or photograph with more of a blue hue to it. It is actually kind of insanely cool how this thing works. So that's not much detail you'd wanna mess with the map to learn it on your own cause I'm just really going over the base features. But stuff like that shows me that Adobe is making a transition and that transition is from we used to make big expensive tools for professionals in the design space and art space. And we need to be a company that makes it so that these are tools anyone can use because they've gone from here's a $3,000 piece of pro software that's gonna intimidate anyone who else tries to get it I can get 15 or I can pay 15 a month and get Photoshop and have everything that any pro ever has access to and in a way they're democratizing the creative space and they're adding tools and giving us ways to do it and I'm loving it. So clearly I'm a little biased but I'm really liking it. What do you think, man? Where's your head at on this? Well, you know, I think that's all great. I think that's really, really cool. It's nice to see some things that are useful at least cause that's what I didn't see in previous versions of Photoshop. But what I think would really make me move over if I had to go to Creative Cloud is if Adobe made a functional app version of Photoshop that I could use on an iPad or an iPad Pro or something like that that would really sort of replace me getting like a portable Cintiq or something like that. I think they should use some of that app power, it sounds like they're going that way into doing a portable actual real version of Photoshop. If you search Adobe products in the App Store, for example, for Apple you get a lot of really kind of, you know half ass versions of these things that no one's really gonna use. And I think that if there were a streamlined version of Photoshop, something that I can start literally on an iPad and then just go straight to my desktop and finish that off there, you know seamlessly like using a Cintiq. What are you holding up there? I see you're holding up. I was just gonna tell you, I may have made your day. And listen, I don't want this to make it sound like it's an ad for Adobe. I am purely talking to, hey, creative people out there, what's happening at Adobe? What came out of these announcements? You're just a user, Adobe's not paying you. This is not a paid thing at all. I don't have friends that work there or anything, but right there is Adobe Sketch. Now, when I run that, you might say, oh, Adobe Sketch. Well, that doesn't sound like it has the Photoshop name in there, but you know, what does it do? Well, it lets me sketch, right? Get in here with a pen, ink, I'm using an Apple Pencil. So I've got, you know, the pressure sensitivity stuff. Create whatever I'm creating. And here's where it made my day, all right? So again, CC only, you can't use this unless you have CC, all right? So you take this thing, you hit, send to Photoshop CC. You're not gonna see this is it on my desktop, but I hit that button. Soon as I hit that on my desktop, because it's tied to my account, Photoshop just launched, up came my artwork. Oh, wow. That I just created. So I guess what I'm seeing is that kind of workflow seems to be something they're interested in. I don't know if it's perfect yet, or that they've got everything worked out. Like for example, the Sketch program, which is relatively new, primarily for Photoshop, starting Photoshop stuff, but it doesn't have layers. Yet somehow, inextricably, Adobe Draw, which is like the AI equivalent, the Illustrator equivalent, does have layers. Why they don't both have layers, I can't put my head around it. But even third-party apps like Procreate, which is very Photoshop-like, has full layer support, lets me send that thing from a PSD straight to Dropbox and boom, I'm back to work on the desktop. But I don't wanna have to learn a brand new app. You know what I mean? Use a streamlined version of Photoshop. Like, it sounds like they're moving in that direction. So it's probably not that long before that happens. And I have to be honest with you, within the past month, I looked at upgrading my Photoshop because I thought, well, maybe it's time for me to get to that point. I still didn't pull that trigger yet, but who knows? It sounds like they're moving in a direction that I wanna see that would be very helpful for my workflow, because I gotta be honest with you, even using some of those Adobe apps and Procreate and things like that, I've tried them all. I've tried them all, and there was nothing that came close to, well, there was a couple that came close, but I don't wanna have to learn a brand new thing, just I wanna be using what I'm using. What about buying a brand new tablet? Cause they're updating the touch capabilities of the Windows versions of Illustrator, Lightroom, Photoshop, et cetera. Yeah. Well, for sure. I mean, there's, I'm always looking for, I've been looking for a way to get, untether myself from my desktop, something that really works, and I haven't really come across that yet, but I'm sure I just haven't been looking hard enough. And it sounds like Adobe is getting to the point where these things are gonna be real in probably, their cycle is probably gonna be about a year or so. Yeah, I mean, they're doing things that are interesting, and other areas that they've improved stuff. And for me, it makes perfect sense from a money perspective every month because not only am I using all the art stuff constantly every day, but I'm using Adobe Audition every day for podcasts that I'm recording, and all my audio production is happening on that. I'm using Premiere all the time for video editing. Like all of these things are included in that subscription, and they just keep adding things to it, and they're not asking me to pay more. They added these portable apps, they added these iPad Pro apps, and all this other stuff, and they're not asking for an extra dime. So it seems to me like they're motivated to make the service attractive to people who want to make that jump. And if you're talking about a Surface Pro, you're talking about native Photoshop, like the desktop version of Photoshop on a tablet with a pressure sensitivity pen co-designed by Waycom, I don't know that you could get much closer to what you're doing now in a portable way than that. And that will work with, that Surface Pro will work with the Apple and the Cintiq? It'll, yeah, you can send, the PSDs are cross platforms. Okay, gotcha. So that's the other thing I want to say about Photoshop, or two things actually. Photoshop, from a technical standpoint, is getting what they're referring to as, I gotta find it. They're calling it art board compatibility, but basically it means that within a PSD file, and you'll understand this, instead of making a crazy array of groups and layers, which you can still do groups and layers, you can also, it also supports multiple art boards. Essentially it's like having multiple PSDs in one big PSD. So imagine having a PSD that's all the illustrations for a small book, and each one of those PSDs is essentially its own entity within that master file. That'd be cool. It sounds pretty neat, yeah. And that's just, in bread and the files, that'll be something that's happening right away, that's in this new update anyway. Whether that stuff is compatible with old versions, I don't know. One would assume, Adobe, as they introduced new things that may be incompatible with old versions, that some of that might drive the base of users to move up to CC and actually get the subscription. I don't know that, again, not feeling like that's a nefarious thing for them to do, but you are starting to see little things like that, that's like, oh, well this isn't gonna work with CS6 anymore, or this isn't gonna work with CS5 anymore. I assume you're on CS5 or something like that. No, I'm on CS6, so it's been about three years. I'm due, but what you said there was, what, you're really paying 40 bucks a month for? Well, everything, if all you're using is Photoshop, let's say, it's like 15 or something. Oh, really? Well, I'd be using Illustrator, Photoshop, and InDesign. Yeah, and you can do them in chunks like that, there's different packages. I feel like this stuff's pretty reasonable, and by the time you're done paying what you would have paid for your new, the old $2,000 package, or if you, like me and you, we cheat with our kids and our students just come. Yeah, when those times come up, you're like, oh, well I would have spent this anyway on the subscription, and I'm getting new versions constantly, and I'm getting updates, and I just feel like the value is actually there, and I was as skeptical as anybody I know about this entire thing. So outside of all of that, Illustrator, InDesign, some of those other apps, Dreamweaver, they're getting very small incremental upgrades, but Photoshop's getting direct integration and something called Fuse, which is a 3D modeling program, think of Mudbox or what's Autodesk's version of that, I forget. Anyway, essentially 3D modeling stuff where you can model in 3D, paint in 3D, create models for games, for all sorts of applications, and very deep integration in Photoshop. It's an app they actually purchased from somebody else or integrating it into there, and it is a sign to me that they understand the industry is not just let's all paint in 2D anymore, it's a combination of things. I need to model in 3D, I need to do textures in 2D, I need to apply those somehow, I need that workflow to work with all the other stuff I'm using. They seem very cognizant of the idea that they cannot just remain the art apps forever, that they have to come up with new and better ways to do that, and changing Adobe Flash to Adobe Animate is really just a small thing. They're just renaming the animation software and refocusing it toward HTML5 integration. But you know, you're still gonna have sites where it's like you don't have Adobe Flash installed, and you're just gonna have people saying don't run Flash, it's too buggy or whatever. That problem's not necessarily going away, but this does represent a small nail in that coffin, whether it's essentially saying, they need more nails, but they're starting to drive the first one. That's the thing is despite the fact that Flash has had all that heat for so many years about the stability of the core software, and especially from a sort of scripting side, and video and other things, it's never changed though that the core tool for animators has remained the same, and that's still what they use, tell television shows, cartoon network shows use it. Like Flash as an animation tool, it's almost like, what's it like? It's like finding out that Nabisco has really good cookies, but on the weekends they go out and I don't know, throw people off cliffs. It's like, they're really good cookies, right? The cookies are great, there's no denying it, but then they got this throwing people off the cliff thing. So this animated deal is them as separation with name, is them saying, all right, well, we want this to be the premier animation tool. We want people to keep using it for what it's worth, and all the reasons why it's been a great tool for all these years, and so I feel like it's step one in making that separation. Hey, I've got an idea, because I know you could talk for a long time about this stuff, and it would be good stuff. Folks, if you want to continue the discussion, Scott, would you be willing to jump in the subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and do a thread? Yeah, I absolutely would, and I would love to get some feedback, corrections, directions, anybody out there who's got other thoughts. I know that you've got other creative professionals that listen to the show on the regular, and I would love to kind of have sort of a virtual meet and greet with them over there. So absolutely, let's do that. All right, yeah, let's do that. In the meantime, pick of the day real quick comes from Jesse, AKA hometown rival, if you're looking in the subreddit. It says, I really enjoy the fan picks instead of a company that pays you to talk about how great their product is, and having to hear about the same product for multiple episodes, I get a new interesting recommendation every single episode. Only problem is finding them. So I decided to create an online spreadsheet through Google Sheets with each episode's fan pick. At the moment, I've only compiled picks of November and yesterday's pick, but I plan on adding all new picks going forward and hope to eventually go through and add past picks. Google Sheet is available at bit.ly slash dtsfanpicks, and he even invites people to email him if they're interested in helping out, filling out the back catalog. So go check that, that's our pick. Our pick is a collection of picks, which is gonna screw up your spreadsheet. I know that, Jesse, but it's just too good, bit.ly slash dtsfanpicks. Thank you, Jesse. And I know Jenny has been trying to come up with an even better way to pull this stuff together. So if you're working on that back end, maybe that'll come plug into some other way that we can do this as well. Send your picks to us, folks. Feedback at dailytechnewshow.com, and you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks. One real quick email, I'm gonna summarize it, and there's even an edited version in the show notes here, but we have a guy who lives in the country, and he says, okay, with the Amazon Air Talk and the drone delivery and the same day driving, are we going to see an urban divide where people out in the country are lagging behind people in the city because all of these services are coming to urban areas, where there's enough population to support them, but maybe you can't get Amazon Prime now in your location or a self-driving car or Uber or anything else. I think that that's absolutely a legitimate concern, and I don't know that it's any different though than it's ever been. It's like, well, rural areas get banned with last. They had dial-up lasts. They tend to get these things last. So I don't know that it's necessarily a new problem, but one would hope the infrastructure for this kind of stuff broadens enough that that won't be quite as bad, but there's still always gonna be somebody living far enough in the sticks. They just aren't gonna be able to get an Uber car out there. The only thing close up to it would be their neighbor with his pickup truck. So I think that that's always gonna be kind of an issue, but I would suspect it's easier now than it was, say, 10 years ago. Well, that is it for the show. Thank you, Len Peralta, for jumping in and talking with us on a day you're not normally here. We'll see you again on Friday, right? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. It was fun, and I will definitely have to take a look at Creative Cloud again. It's a little bit more seriously. I gotta really upgrade my Mac though first before I do anything else. LenPeraltaStore.com, of course, still a great place to find Len's art, and of course the art he draws on DTNS, but you've got a greeting card thing going on right now, too. I do, I've been spending a lot of my time drawing people's families and things like that for Christmas. I do custom drawn holiday cards. It's gone gangbusters this year, which is really great. I have broken my quota, and I'd love to keep them going. It's only the second day of December, and keep the orders coming. If you go to LenPeraltaStore, I can draw your family for you and talk to some friends. Anybody who's done it, they really enjoy it. And also, I just wanna mention, this is also going out to people as well. It's the DTNS year two poster, Data Tech News Show, which I did. So that's up there, too, and you can get a free copy. That's the Force Awakens-inspired one, by the way. Yes, the Force Awakens-inspired one. It's actually shipping out to people right now. I have a few here for a pickup, so go ahead and do that, that'd be great. Yeah, LenPeralta can help you lose weight for the holidays by drawing you skinnier on a card. LenPeraltaStore.com. I can, I have that technology. Scott Johnson, thank you as always. What's going on in the frog pants world to tell people about? Oh, there's always a billion things, but two things I'll point people to. One would be my show. We're just absolutely loving doing this show right now. It's a new show for Heroes of the Storm fans called Core. You can find it at frogpants.com. We've been doing it for 10 weeks now. We absolutely love this show. If you ended that game at all, I think you're gonna find something there to like both new and old players and veterans alike should come and check that out. And then the other thing is, I just went to the Daily Tech News Show subreddit and I just started posting a subreddit, or a, excuse me, a post and a thread on continuing this conversation about artists and designers and what Adobe's role is in all that and what we do today in 2015 to get our work out there. So if you wanna have that conversation, go check that out at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Absolutely, thank you, Scott, for doing that. Thank you, folks, for watching. Thank you for supporting the show. If you get value out of the show, we just ask you to give a little value to that at least a dollar a month. If you can support us that way, go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com, our phone number's 51259daily. You can catch the show live Monday through Friday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern at alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv. Visit our website at dailytechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Justin, Robert, Young. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Good show, everybody. Hey, Scott, if you could just pop that link in the dock. I didn't do that. Like, right there on line 33, maybe, or something. And then what should we call this thing? Plashed, finally, fizzles. The Aeon Muscovallary, I thought that was a good one. Yeah. Look at my Uber button. Kind of like that. Here you go, Tom. It's line 35. Thanks, sir. Adobe Creative Cloud draws artists in. That's a damnit. Best brand dress shirt. I think I like that one. Ellie likes it, too. That's the deciding vote. It's the title. Ellie tested, Roger approved. Good, so we have a title. Yeah, we got a title. I'm just levitating. This was a great episode because Len and Scott did all the talk. All the work. And I had to sat here and learn things. I would suggest to Scott, actually, and you, Tom, if you don't, you should just invest in a very large capacity magnetic spinning hard drive for storage. I do that, actually. I should have mentioned that. I have like a big backup, like six terabyte, something over here. Flash, flash. Apropos of what are you saying that? What? I mean, why are you saying that? I mean, I have a two terabyte backup drive that I use. Flash, in tests, doesn't hold storage as long. Like, over time, it'll degrade. Yeah. So it's one of those. The tests on that are kind of inconclusive, though. They're showing that it lasts a little longer than people thought. But, I mean, as far as like a long-term backup, that's why I said specifically that magnetic spinning drives will continue to use the things that they're specifically good for. Because we still have tape drives, for that's the reason. Well, I mean, the thing with spinning magnetic hard drives is we have a long history. I'm not talking about archival uses, though. I guess I should have made that clear. I'm mostly talking about when I buy a laptop and I'm choosing like, oh, should I configure it with a magnetic drive or a flash drive? I always go flash drive now. You know what's awesome about red vines? Which ones? The magnetic ones or the solid-state red vines? The solid-state red vines. Aside from everything, tell us. Aside from everything. The magnetic-state red vines. What's great about them is that you can just keep eating them forever, even if you just got this big, old tin of them yesterday. Oh my gosh. Fish and stature. Did you get it at Costco? No, Big Jim sent them to me because I did a tell it anyway about a questionable decision to cut down the vines in the front of my house. So, Big Jim sent us interim vines. Aw, that's so sweet. Look at all these vines, what am I gonna do with all these? Eat and plant them. I'm gonna make coming out my ears. Glue them to the side of your house. That would be actually really funny if I had the energy to go do that and have them back home and be like, the vines have returned. I love licorice. There's just like birds pecking at them. I wish they would make other flavors available. I mean, I used to get like the- Why mess with perfection? Have you ever had a grape licorice? It's great. Oh, it is good, but I like Dr. Pepper flavored twizzlers. You guys have those? Ooh. Are those like specialty or can you just buy them in the store? Just get them in the store, I think. Cause I remember getting lime, grape. I think they have four. The yellow, the purple, the red, and the black. No one bought the black ones. I like the black licorice. Am I alone? It reminds me of Uzo too much, and I'm not a big- Like Uzo, too. I'm gonna say yes, you are alone. That might be. You like black jelly beans. I do. That's an acquired taste. I've always liked them. If you need to acquire a taste for it, then it's not worth acquiring. Yep. Yeah, that's like alcohol. Sushi. Sushi, yeah. No, hey, you don't have to acquire that. Some people do. I don't. Island. Mushrooms. Hey, Tom, are you one of those people that thinks cilantro tastes like soap? Nope. I just wondering maybe there's a weird- Right, yeah. Licorice is definitely a similar kind of thing. It's raining really hard here. Oh, man, you sent some back my way? All of a sudden, I'm like, what's going on? Is it like a wind? But no, it's rain. That's like a great natural project for the 21st century, to build a trans-American pipeline. Of water? It floods so much, right? The Midwest and the Northeast, you just pipe that water. I mean, you drain your areas faster, we get the water, everyone wins. I would love to see you guys the snow we're having right now. Oh, you have snow, that's right. We keep hearing about the big El Nino, but we keep not getting any rain. January. That's weird, because you're, I'm usually getting snowstorms around this time, but I'm not getting anything. It's been a long rain. Getting from here. I'm actually not looking for it here. My great privilege during the show was briefly listening to the Scott Fletcher version of that, which someone in the chat room gave me. Oh, it's amazing. It's pretty amazing. Is that the regular 2014 or 13? 13. Yeah, that was amazing. Scott Fletcher should sing the Christmas shoes. Oh my gosh, dude. No one should sing the Christmas shoes. Let's be clear. Better though. He would, he wouldn't make it better. I thankfully cannot remember how it goes now, but it was definitely stuck in my head there. That's a sad, sad, sad, sad. It's been a long, long time. Since mama could even walk, but I've got to buy her shoes anyway. Well, Mary should sing that song in the vein of the Star Wars lounge singer. Oh yeah. It's Christmas special. It's only two more days to the Christmas special, a very merry Christmas. Oh, that's right. I can't wait for to see how dumb that is, and I don't mean that in a bad way. Have you finished watching Jessica Jones yet? No. Yes, third episode. Don't ruin it if you watch more. No, I'm on like four. I'm on season two. It's a heavy show. Mom, I haven't talked to you yet about how much I want to jump through my TV and make out with man in the high castle. Ha ha ha, I love that. It's getting mixed reviews. From who? From what idiot doesn't like it? There are some people who are like, ah, the story doesn't really hang together. It's well done. Photography is great, but we think it's got paper characters. I call bull crap. Well, all of you have read the book first. That doesn't really help. I don't think. I didn't. I like it. I didn't read it. Having read the book a million times and loving the book, this is very different from the book in significant ways. But it's that same Ridley Scott thing where he took things from the book that are really important and then he put them in different contexts. So that's kind of fun. So maybe you're right in that way, Roger. That's the best way to do an adaptation because when you do a direct adaptation like Gone Girl, it's like, well, this is exciting for people who never read the book, whereas if you take thematic elements of a book and turn them into much larger elements of a TV series, then it's exciting. What can you get out of that? In that respect, Roger, I think you're right. Because I've read the book, I get excited when those little things come up. So that could play into it. But Jenny likes it and she hasn't read the book. Yeah. But Jenny's your friend, so. She's just liking it because she's like. What are you talking about? Yeah, exactly, Roger. The two years, man, what are you talking about? Tom has no friends. Only I have. No, Tom has all the friends. Only acquaintances. I am one of them. Aw. You just said you weren't. She just wanted to disagree with you, Roger, because disagreeing is fun. That's my job. My job is to disagree with Roger. Men in their 40s don't really have friends. They just, yeah. I'm not a good job. You know, I want to disagree with you, but kind of you're right a little. Men of a certain age. Men of a certain age just. They don't have friends anymore. Well, they don't have any new friends and the old friends like. Die. Die. Oh, no. What do you say? Is there something you have planned for all of us? I hate to tell you, but I guess, but I got to bounce. Oh, that's right. You do have to go. Yeah, I have to bounce. But I wish you all the very best with your 40s. Thanks, friend. Those of you who are in them. I'll be in them next year. It's okay. Be here quicker than you think. I know. Next year, November. Come on in. The water's fine. The water's 40. 40 degrees. Cold. Bring a sweater. It's cold, yeah. You got to eat it like three. Is that okay? Matt and I are already 90 years old and are eating habits. Oh, it's four o'clock on a Saturday. We should eat dinner. It's a good dinner. Wait a minute. I do that. Well, it's because I want to be there when nobody's there. I don't want to fight for it. So, Jen and I are really big on the early bird specials. Ah. Oh, man. And it was completely natural because Jen hates crowds. Like, she doesn't want to eat anything that way because she hates crowds. So, we just ended up going with all the seat tears when they go for the early bird special. So, it's like, all right, we'll get the potted mead and the mashed potatoes. You know, all you need is meat. The potted mead. Oh, that's the image I'm going to take with me as I slowly drop out of this hangout. All right, thanks, Jen. Goodbye. See you later. So, tomorrow morning. I'll see you tomorrow morning. Yeah, tomorrow morning, 9 a.m. I've got to finish this page and then I've got to stop for the day. Hey, Lynn, I sent you a thing, a doodle I did while we were just sitting here and you can see what the quality of that looks like. Ah, sweet. Excellent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, I literally was looking at Creative Cloud probably about a month ago, last month maybe, and I was like, maybe I should do this. But I'm like, every time I upgrade, there's usually something else that goes along with it that I'm not really thinking about. I'm fine. The last upgrade I really did was I bought the Cintiq in the middle of doing Super Powered Revenge Christmas which was like a huge mistake. And I was like, that was not the smartest thing in the world to do, but now I, you know, I don't even draw analog anymore. That's pretty cool. That looks good. Is this on the... This is on the iPad Pro, Apple Pencil and I'm just doing, just did a quick doodle in the app called Apple, excuse me, Adobe Draw, it's called. Adobe Draw. I'll check that out too. Yeah, it's just, and this stuff all just comes, you know, you get the subscription and then bam, all of a sudden you have access to all their crap. And you have to use, you have to use Creative Cloud to use Cloud to use this, correct? Creative Cloud. Correct, although they have... Creative Cloud. You know what? I may be wrong about that and that may be just the syncing and the cross like opening stuff that you get. Oh, okay. I'm not 100% sure on that. I'm fairly certain that all the apps are free to use. It's only, you only have to pay to unlock the Cloud features. I'm pretty sure Tom might be right. Right. I think you might be right. Yeah, because I want to be sitting on my couch drawn and not up here all day, you know? I mean, we want to see your couch. I'm still using, you know, I come up here and get, or come down here and get on the 22 HD and do all my finishing work, but to have a thing in my lap where I can just creatively... Yeah, I'd rather be sitting on my couch watching TV and stuff, draw on rather than up here by myself. So, anyhow. If I were you, I would give Procreate another try. Yeah. Improved it. I've done it seven times. It's been pretty successful. Thank you for that. I'd certainly said it, I realize I'm saying this. Well, the chat room was rippin' on it earlier, so. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Significantly improved over previous versions. Really? Because it was pretty good to be good with, as I recall. Yeah. I'm not as young as I used to be. It takes, you know, I've got heart problems and stuff, so. This is, it actually record what I drew. So, watch this, just for fun, you guys, and see this. Just so you can play it back. All right. Oh, that's cool. And what does that turn it into, though? Yeah, there we go. Oh, nice. JPEG, ENG, whatever. Oh, nice. All the stuff. Can I export that out as like a MP4 if I want, and I've been putting them on Instagrams for fun. It's cool. Yeah, that's another, see, that's another thing to do for my speed drawing stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the other reason I really like it. I can just add it and put it in music to it and do whatever. Yep. So many different, I have to, you know, I have to actually do, first I have to actually get the money to do it, then I have to do it. All right, once you do it and you're like, okay, now I can do it, but I totally understand. Here's this weird, misshaped man I made. I promise he's not really. Pictures of misshapen man and you. I like to recreate a lot. I would recommend procreating. I did like it when I was using it, and then, you know, and then my back started to hurt. Bum, bum, bum. Aye, aye, aye, aye. Aye, aye, aye, aye. All right, I'm on the motor. All right, thanks everybody for watching. See you on Friday. See you on Friday.