 Big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E.C.O., don't worry about the lovely, amazing official, Miss Jamaica, what's going on? None, none, you know my dad, all gone. Man, we got my favorite guy, man. This guy right here, man, this is the second time he's been on the show. I'm feeling real good about it, too. Man, this guy right here, man, y'all know him from acting, you know him from singing. You know this guy here from being on Balls Talk 101. Yes. Yeah, my boy Columbus Charleston, the building. What's up, Pop? What? O-Triple O-Triple O-G. Man. Man, thank you so much, man. What's cracking? Yeah, it makes you get up to that mic, right? Yeah, what to do? Daddy, what to do? What to do? What to do? What to do? What to do? What to do again? I'm like some people I know. That must be a man about that. It's true, it's true, it's true, a lot of people they talk, but they don't walk, you know. Ooh, I love these Jamaicans out there. Have you acted Jamaican part, no? No, well, I was, you know, you guys are from Atlanta, and when I moved to Atlanta in 2000, I think it was like 14, 15, 14, I lived with Block, Big Block, Russell Spencer, Big Block. And he married Chris Kelly, you know, his wife. Chris Kelly was big, he signed her, he moved from Jamaica, moved a family out here, I mean, out to Atlanta. Like he just held it all the way down for them, you know what I'm saying? Chris Kelly's the wonderful artist, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? And living with them, that's my sis, like, period point blank. So you got to adopt the accent. Yeah, and her from her dad, and her brother, and her mom, and like everything. Did you learn any recipes? Did you know how to cook? No, they don't tell you nothing. They're not doing nothing. They want you to come back. Chris Kelly will make a punch, and she'll be like, this is the rum punch, the rum punch. I'm like, I was just looking, trying to see, she's like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. That punch will get that a F you up. Every time. Yeah, yeah. So what's been going on, man, with the projects, man? What do we got to look forward to from Columbus? Let me tell you, man, God has been truly good. Out of my 15 years being in this business, I finally got invited to Essence Fest. Wow. And it was awesome. I heard it was awesome this year. It was awesome, and I got to, like, you know, see my movie with our people. And, man, I got to tell you, I like. What movie was it? It's called Remember Me. I remember that. You talked about that on the last show. Yeah, Lettuce and myself, and Janet Hubert, and Wendy Raquel Williams, and Vanessa Calloway. How did everybody receive it? I mean, what? How did everybody receive it? It was powerful. So, like, we had a Q&A afterwards, and there was one lady at the last second. You know, it was all of us on the panel, and this was in the private room. She rose her hand, and they were about to close out, and she goes, so what are we doing? So what now? What's next? I mean, like, what are we doing? We're there, like, when is the movie coming out, base? I thought that's what they meant. What's she meant? Nope. What did she mean? What are we doing as a people? That's dope. That's dope. What are we doing next? How are we going to do this? How are we making a change? And I was like, pfft. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was like, pfft. Nobody had an answer? No. I mean, I had an answer. I said, we start with art. I said, we start with art, because art has all, if you go back to the Nazis, when Gerbils, he was the, he sent out that propaganda, and one of the biggest ways of propaganda that the Nazi party used was film, if you really know your history. Right? So the propaganda, Gerbils was using film to propagate the agenda. So what is our agenda? What is our agenda? We need to come together. To unify. Right. Come together as a people. Not just us as a people, humanity. Right. Right. So, you know, the stories of slaves. I'm tired of hearing about these slaves. I'm tired. I'm over slaves. Because I ain't going to slave to nothing. So why I want to watch slaves? You know, there's a whole thing going on about board apes right now. Like, why would I want to be a board ape when they've called me a nigger and called me a ape my whole life? That doesn't make no sense to me. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, that's, through media, we can propagate an agenda that unifies the world. That's what I think. I don't, you know, but I may can't read it all, but I know this much. When you use film, television, music, it's a unifying language. It is, but I always say with film, I think we need to, you know, come out with, because the society we were in, just like we were talking about earlier, TV tend to try to put whatever sells. And right now it's reality shows. And reality shows is showing a lot of the fights, the cat, the cursing, all of that. I hate it. I hate it as well. Because that, to me, that's not unifying anybody. So creating film that actually showing love, showing unity, showing a household filled with a mom and dad and how, you know, how to treat each other. Yes, you can show some arguments because it's reality. We are going to argue. We are going to, you know, but showing coming back together at the end of the day. I agree. Because kids are watching this or adults are watching this and they don't know because a lot of people are raised in broken homes. So they don't know how to emulate a good household because they've never been in one. So by seeing it on TV because we emulate what we see and what we hear. But we were watching the Cosby show. Me. Right. Okay. And I swear that was my mom and that was my dad. Exactly. Me too. Period. Same way. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, then your hero, your guy, your dad touching on doing, I mean, let's call a spade a spade. Right. This wasn't no grand conspiracy. Cosby was touching up young girls taking advantage of them. Right. You know what I mean? Sprinkle, sprinkle, sprinkle. But that didn't happen. That didn't come out till later on. So as a child, so as a child watching those things, you didn't know that as a child. No. So that didn't actually. I watched the documentary, right? Right. And I was like, let me see what, let me see what's going on. And while I turned up the documentary, I'm like, I was like, oh, hell no. Like all these women. So why do I, my mom used to say all your teachers can't be lying on you, Keith. My middle name, Keith. Yeah. So they were like, he talking in class, he cracking jokes he's doing. He acting up. And then all my teachers used to call, you know what I mean? Had my mom. All your teachers can't be lying on you. Lying on you. I tell my kids that. All your teachers can't be lying on you. All of them. I'll give you one, but you ain't give all of them. All of them. Everybody's saying the same damn thing about you. It's gotta be some truth to it. That's what I'm saying. So that's funny. When I watched the documentary, I was like, and he was telling real stories and then other people were chiming in. And I was like, man, that's not, and that's one of the things that I pride myself on in my career, that women feel comfortable working with me. That's been me. You know what I mean? Like I never want to, I never, I was raised by women. I never wanted women to feel uncomfortable, even if we were doing something sexually boom in the scene or whatever. Like we're here to work. Yeah. I mean, and I always made that clear. I know the fact you're talking about that because one thing I remember, I wanted to say last time I didn't get a chance to ask you, but I've seen a lot of actors and actresses who, you know, co-hosts on the show and so forth. Always after the show, they always end up in a relationship. Whether there might be another relationship somewhere around or whatever, but they always end up together somehow. How hard is it to keep your relationship professional being in a, being, you know, playing a role where the other person might be right. I had to learn a real hard lesson early. A lot of people don't learn. I had to learn a real hard lesson early that a lot of people don't learn. So, you know, when I was choreographing and creative directing for Britney Spears, you know what I mean? We, we smashed. What? You hit Britney? I smashed. Once. Once. Exactly. That's not a big deal. That's not a big deal. We don't talk about body counts. I'm just saying. Damn, she wanted those girls. That kind of body. That kind of body. She got the bill with the motion. I ain't got the body. Britney Spears. Hey, bro, that's dope. Like that. Many people can't say that. No. So you, so you didn't keep it professional. Bro, you know, once you went back, no, once you go black, you don't suppose to go back. No. Yeah, silly. She went back. Damn. What? This is Britney, man. So how do you keep it professional? After that, if we're going to be serious, it messed up a lot because my girlfriend was a dancer. And that's why, you know, I was like low-key cheated on my girlfriend with Britney. You know what I'm saying? And I just, on that Rome trip. You know what I mean? I'm just saying this because it's facts. Man. Man. Y'all were young, man. We was young. Man, like 30, I'm about to be 40 next month. At the end of the day, they were young. I know. So many times I see it though. I see it. That's his first scene. He got in there. Okay, but that was then. Was it easier? No, but I'm saying I learned a hard lesson. Don't shit where you eat. That's dope. That's the truth. So even if you're... So even if I'm not when I'm doing a movie... So you're not going to get caught up in that moment ever again? Hell no. I'm not. By the way... What do you think about when you kissing them? Well, okay. Let me tell you a secret story. So me and Megan grew up together. Me and Megan grew up, right? Okay, I remember that. Correct. You said that, but... Yeah, well, I had to take three shots of tequila. You said that? Yeah, I told you. That's real talk. And she did, too. Because we were... That's my sister, like... But I'm out. That's not lily. I don't work for marriage. You couldn't even tell y'all was... But imagine having a lead with somebody that... You couldn't tell y'all was, you know, having drinks before the scenes. We was in a bar. What you mean? Yeah, but... Exactly. They were. I just thought about that. There you go. That scene, y'all. That was where it happened, that damn show. Y'all was dancing and everything. Dancing in a bar, but I have what you mean. Damn show was. They didn't kiss no more after they did it. No, we didn't kiss no more. Damn show did it. Damn, man. No, one kiss. But we got nominated. Man in dope, though, man. We got nominated for MTV Movie Awards, Best Kiss, 2008... Movie Awards, so to... Wow. That's crazy. But have you ever been in a scene where you were... With an actress that you probably even admire, thought she was the bomb, and end up in a, what should I say, sexual scene? I mean, in real, you mean like making art turn into life, or what are you talking about? Yeah, like, okay, so you're in a scene, and you like her, not like or like her like that, but you think she's fine, whatever. And you're making love in the movie. How can you keep it where it's just... Okay, so that's a great question. So, the way I work as a director, I'm like a very... I have the ability as an actor to create chemistry with anybody. Right? I can create chemistry with anybody. But also, I'm also strategic about where the camera angles are, what's happening, what's with lighting. We'll miss all choreography. Okay. This is not... That's real. I'm saying we're not, you don't have time. I'm trying to follow love with you. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to do a scene, get the scene done, get on out of here. I'm trying to get home. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's knock this out. You know what I'm saying? When they say action, I'm going to make you feel like I love you. That's your job. That's my job. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to touch on you right, love on you right. But then, boom, when we say cut, boom, I'm trying to get up out of here. That's crazy though. That's so weird. But just to turn that off, because you know, they say your mind and your heart is two different things. And now there's times, I've never been, I've never fallen, well, that's a lie. Why? You're also story man. Okay, tell me who. Give it up, give it up. It took, it took three seasons. Okay. But Shonda Rhimes would give me a co-star. I mean, I love it just. I'm like, man, you got Guillermo on here smashing. You got Darby on here smashing. Yeah, I mean, everybody in IPO getting some cut. Except Harrison. I'm like, the ****. You gotta get something somewhere. You gotta leave that out. I said, what in the, and finally she gave me one. And you know, it was interesting how it, how it went down. But her, I'm not going to say no names. Okay. She, you know me, she gave me one. Yeah. Okay. And then I was like, the right one. That's real talk, man. You think it's cause she made you wait that it was the right one? Cause you're not waiting. No, I'm going to tell you the first time I was ever in a scene where I was like, yo. I was like, yo, because I didn't want to meet. I'm very, I'm a method actor. I remember you told me that. Yeah. So I didn't want to see her until I saw her. And when you seen her, you like, I was like, okay, they killed me with this. You got me going to amnesty in a national name. Wow. So we, you know, that, I really did garner a real relationship with her. And that's the kind of the only time. Yeah. If I'm going to keep it, keep it above. Keep it above. Yeah. Because it's hard cause I see it all the time. And I'm like, I know it's hard, but you know, it's possible because I know other people who have been in like leading roles and did scenes like that and still went home to their, you know, wives or significant other and stuff like that. But you got to realize this. And, you know, not yet. Pete, you got to realize if you're every day pretending, see, this is why I don't play gay roles, right? Because I don't want to, that's not, I don't want to be in that world. I can't, I can't do that. I'm not gay. Right. You know what I'm saying? Some actors have the ability to do that. I don't. So, you know what I mean? Me neither. So, but when you create chemistry with a leading woman and it's, and you guys are, you know, scripted, you're going on a journey, not only a journey in the scriptural way. Emotional. You're going on a process on production, right? You guys, you know, you're on a movie set with somebody for three months. You got to, it's a grind. It's a war. It's a battle. And then, boom, you're actually creating this chemistry and this vibe that actually turns you, you know, so that, that is all, it's not, you know, that's what happened with Mr. Mr. and Mr. Smith. Right. You feel me? Right. Angelina. Exactly. Exactly. That's the biggest one. Yeah. And you know what I'm saying? But just because, this is where you get in toxic relationships because just because you do a movie and you guys are creating some chemistry, you know, it even goes down to friendships. You think some people are your friends just because you made a movie with them for 68 days. They're not your friends. Right. You just created that chemistry. Exactly. So, and then last time we didn't get that much into your mental illness. And I know you deal with that depression and all of that. And I know a lot of people out here, especially because of COVID and everything that people go through dealing with it. I love the fact that a lot of people are coming out talking about it, but there's a lot of people who still need healing. People need to, because even after the show, you sat down with one of our co-hosts trying to talk to him and, you know, you're still going through and he's still going through stuff. Just got a phone with me, baby. How do you think that stemmed from? The way how you react? The reacting to... To a different situation, because I know before you would always react in rage or, you know, act out. Oh, right. So, where does that stem from? I don't know if you guys, did I say this on the last one? Like, because I'm now, now it's once a week, but before I was doing it two times a week. Therapy. Yeah. Yeah. And it was important to me. That's awesome. I mean, you're growing. You're getting better. Right. And it was not, you know, I don't have, you know, I had to go get all my diagnosis right. Like, I want to know what's wrong. I got to get up under the hood. Right. You know what I'm saying? See what we're doing. So what was the word started? I think childhood, you know, not think. It's childhood, you know, when you're raised in trauma, you know, trauma, trauma, whether it's from your mama or anybody else. Just do something else. I knew it was coming. I love this guy, man. So, you know what I'm saying? I think, you know, you carry that into adulthood when it's unchecked. You know what I mean? And you don't know what really anybody is going through. You don't know what they experienced. Abuse. I was never molested by a man, but you know, I was molested by an older female that was babysitting me when I was a kid. So, you know what I mean? Over sexualized me, you know what I mean? Too soon, you know what I mean? But really my thing was anxiety. And anxiety and PTSD is tough. Yeah. And people think that PTSD is only from people who have been in the military or something like that. No, war is war is war is war. Trauma is trauma is trauma. You've seen your man in battle get blown up or you see your boy get shot in the street. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Same thing. Same thing. We just don't get on uniform. So you were reacting from all of that and just didn't know? Right. I mean, you know, I knew that I had my issues, but it was like, you know, like let's get down to the bottom of it because I need to, I'm being called to a new level. Right. Right? Right. I have to make sure that I am equipped mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually for that next level. So how many years were you going through all of that before you started finding, before you started finding help? Before you start, because you have to be the one who say I need help. Nobody else can say that. Nobody said I need help. I was like, I need to talk to somebody that understands. Right. Because my stories are not my shares or like not regularly. I end up blowing the therapist's mind. You know what I'm saying? So you needed to get a therapist. It's like you, like the one, that guy that I met the first time I've ever seen you at that Palladium Ballroom in Dallas, Texas when you was angry as hell at night and you being the actor and just who I thought you was, that didn't, I never seen you as an angry person till that night. I'm just being real when they miss money. You know anybody gets mad when you miss a little money. But we wouldn't know, seeing you, we wouldn't know what caused you to act out. We didn't know. We didn't know. No, no. So, like, just keep it a buck. Like I was, I'm a gang member. This guy's crazy, man. You know what I'm saying? So I grew up fighting. I fought white boys, black boys, bloods, crypts, my own people. That's how you resolve your issues. We, we, we, we line it up. You know what I mean? And that's the only way I knew. Do you know what I mean? Line it up. Because if you ain't doing it right, we gonna wind it up. That makes sense, man. That's it. You know what I'm saying? I'll operate only by code. I wasn't just some wild maniac walking on the street. But I'm like, I'm about to be 40 September 19. And, you know, I'm trying to do some amazing things for not only our people, but for Homo sapiens. For us. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, we can't be proud of, you know, at a certain point, everybody, everybody watching, you know what I mean? You can't be, what's the word? You can't be a, a victim to your past. Exactly. Yeah. Like, just cause you were grown up in the projects and you had to do this, you had to do that, change your, change your reality. Because you don't realize, and I was just saying somebody this earlier, I said you don't realize that everything that you go through and how you react to things. And yes, you push people away and you're angry and you just can't deal with anybody. You, as much as you don't talk it to your kids and tell them, they're watching your movements and then all of a sudden they start acting out and acting like that and you don't want to pass down your trauma to your children. So if you don't, you have to create change. It's called breaking, it's called breaking generational curses. Exactly. And that's what we're in the business of. I think our generation is the one that's breaking it. Right? Exactly. If you go back to like when J. Edgar Hoover dropped crack in the hood, you know what I'm saying? When he dropped crack in the hood, broke up black families. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, dads out here strung out, mamas out here, crack babies being born, you know what I'm saying? No, what happened? Changed up the whole, he just changed up our ecosystem right there. Yeah. I mean, now we have a chance to change it. I believe I believe we should change it. You know, that's also, you know, I'm not being trying to be too opinionated on this, but I'm saying I'm not being too opinionated on IG. Uh-oh. You know what I mean? Uh-oh. Y'all gotta like represent something. Cover up. Yeah. Damn. To represent something. I'm shaking it. If you got daughters. Yeah, that's what you're training them to do. So you're training daughters to be thoughty. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Thoughty Tiana. A lot of a lot of them. Thoughty Tiana. But again, it's the generation. That's right. They paid off of views and all of that. Not all of them. No, but listen. Not all of them. But listen. But what I'm saying is that No. I'm not letting this lie. No. Hold on. I'm not letting this lie. You are not watching that person. You're watching the person that is showing all the skin and talking about it. And she is in Florida, Dubai. And all of that. The person who is taking care of her family. Right. But the person who is trying to do all of the what you represent. You understand what I mean? Oh, I feel you on that. So right. That's why So that's why they're switching even like with TV shows. But even like with TV shows, reality shows sell because that's what everybody is watching. You want to flip it on it? I'm going to flip it on. So they're good. So all these chicks, who they going and they messing with. NBA players, actors, celebrities, blah, blah, blah. Playboys. Like myself. Okay. Boom. Then what happens when the UPS driver you know what I mean? Just want to love you. Just want to Just want to build a family with you. Right. They don't, you can't even, he's not in the tax bracket. He can't help me. He can't, he can't do it. He's in the tax. What about the nigga that managed little Caesars? He can't, he can't do it. I mean the nigga that been managing Papadose for 10 years got a little, got a little pension. He got the right type of girl. No. No. No. See because, no. So broke niggas came she period. They can't do it. It's true. Niggas came she because pure. They do it all the time too. It's over. It's over. No, they do it. They do it. It's over. They do it. It's over. Yeah. To be, the selling point is already what I'm talking about. Were you, were you, were you a celebrity or you got some kind of stack? You get a, look, look, look, look, look, look at that. Yeah, you get a wave with a lot of stuff. Wasn't that my girl Chloe? Chloe and uh, Yeah. Yeah. What's that called? Older. Older. Older. Older. Older one. The new one. The new one. He had it too. He been back to back. Back to back. Back to back. The only one I seen really come out of that situation okay and he really gone crazy but he got it. That's the only one. That's the only one. He was that man. He was that man. He the only one that made it out. That nigga did a swim move. And he's moved with it. He's still kicking it. But he was crazy enough to go in there. You got to be on a certain mindset to go into that, that whole family and come out like that. Well, I'm going to speak highly of them. And I'm going to be real because Christian. But they build a brand. They build. No they, Chris, I love you Chris if you see that. Uh, Chris, Chloe, Kim, Courtney, and all of them, those are my girls. You know what I'm saying? Like, They're business gurus. Yeah, and they, and they really all and it starts from the matriarch and she taught them how to make ring. Wow. So, what did our mama's teach us? That's dope. That's dope. So how are we going to talk? They created that job. We can't talk down. We can't say nothing. We can't talk down. My mama didn't teach me how to have a billion dollars by the right time I was 21. Man, that's dope. Do you know what I mean? She did her job. She did her job. So, you know, but yeah, that, you know, we grew up all in this, like, it's interesting to see, like, well, time how time flies, like, making good and myself and, you know, Raven Simone Carrie Washington. No, no, I'm talking about you. I'm talking about Hollywood. Young Hollywood when we was coming up to, you know, you know, Raven Simone, Lindsay Lohan. Yeah, you know, Sam, we were, we were Hollywood, Hollywood kids. Yeah, you know what I mean? And it's interesting to, like, where we're grown, now what are we going to do? Now we have the ability to be, to make life changing. I mean, earth changing. To give back. Decision. Yes, it's always about giving back and that's why I started my, my NFT company. And it's important that we educate people in the NFTs. It's growing. It's growing. It's coming. People are getting smarter. It's a basic bear. It's a bear market right now in the crypto space, but the people just trust. It was a big, it was a big drop off after you left my show. Yeah. Yeah. Elon Musk came on the thing and said, what the hell? Yeah, Twitter. He went in there. It happened. Yeah, it was a big drop. But I want to ask you something. What was the, what was the drop? I don't, he just said it was, like the, the crypto pump, it went down. Okay. Cause I was telling the truth. So boom, like Luna dropped. Boom. When Luna went down, people were trying to kill theyself. Yeah. It went crazy. Right? Boom. Luna went down and then and then this dude did this, this, this ridiculous NFT project. And it was just ridiculous to me. You know what I'm saying? No real utilities. Yeah. And if I don't, if I don't know how much you guys know about what the utility is like. So for example, I'm dropping these orcas soon coming soon. I wish I have, I don't have my phone, but they're like, you know, they have a utility chest and it opens in all your utilities. So what are we dropping through there? Movies, TV, music, events. Right? Right. Oh, you want to hear Boss Talk? We can drop y'all through there. Right. You know what I mean? Y'all want to boom, boom, boom. But now, so let's say for example, you guys are doing a Boss Talk, you know, I mean, how many listeners do you have? Let me just ask you that. 60,000. 60,000. 60,000. 60,000. 60,000. 61,000. It's still growing. Yeah. Okay. So now let's say, let's say you said to your listeners, we're doing a big Boss Talk 101, you're allowed to come to the venue. Yeah, that's what we've been talking about. That's $250. Yeah. Give me you to play right now. That's exactly what I'm doing. So it's $250, right? Now let's say out of your 60,000 half of them engage. 30,000. Let's say 25,000. Mm-hmm. Right. At 250,000, 25,000 do the number. That's 6.25 million. That's right. Right. We've been talking about that. That's what I'm saying. So when you start thinking outside, you know what I mean, but also but putting Bunny back in, it's not about just getting money. That's what the community is scared of when they deal with celebrities and uneducated people in the space. Yeah. Is them just coming in, going, you know what I mean? That happens a lot. That's what they're doing. You know what I mean? I don't want to draw names. No, it happens. I know. I see it as obvious. So I'm trying to build an ecosystem in which we hold and we put our money back into the blockchain. Our blockchain continuously, it's like that, have you ever seen those water fountains? You're like, those big water fountains? Yeah, the one we said in front of them. Yeah, those big. Yeah. It's just recycled water. That's right. They're not wasting water. They're recycling the same water. Right. It's just in the thing. Yeah. And that's what we're doing. I wanted to ask you something. And this is totally our base, but Will Smith came out since being you had our show. Aw. And he apologized. I apologized. I knew you had problems in it. I knew, I said, man, I'm just going to say it. Hold on, but did you know that Tony Rock said, not Tony, Chris Rock said, I don't want no apologies. He wasn't ready for that. He wasn't ready for it. I got to say it on my Dave Chappelle voice. It's crazy. It was ridiculous. Do you believe him? Do you believe him? He said, just wait. He's ridiculous. I told him, Will Smith, my hero, in the Penn State, walking the earth, it messed you up. Messed me up. Did you believe he was sincere with his apology? You think somebody coerced him into saying it? I think Will's lost. I don't know what's going on with him. He's been through a lot. I don't know, like it just, it was a sad day for me. I know he was upset. And I wasn't upset. No, I was just like, dude, I was like, you didn't have to, like y'all got to, y'all got to, you could do a normal apology. You could apologize and probably, like now you, I want to say, you know, he stopped. He stopped. I can't do it. I can't do it. He's like, I just, I was so sad. It was tough. Did you watch it? His apology? Yeah. I did. I felt it. And I felt that. I'm sorry for smacking it in your face. And the part that I felt the most, the part that I felt the most. He apologized to the guy that did the show. It was Oscar Woods. And I really, I didn't mean it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he was sorry to even his parents. I just got the clips. I just got there. I said to shut it down. No. I didn't get the pull. He said he, because it didn't only affect Chris Rock, it affect his mom's, his brother, because he said he was in a good relationship with his brother. They were, they were awesome relationship. Tony and Tony. Tony and Tony. But their relationship is now done because of it. Yeah. I mean, you got, when you smack somebody in public on an Oscar stage, that's a relationship killer. Because of, I think I've seen relationships end over spades. But Will Smith, because of who he is. I've seen relationships end over Renick. So I think. But because of Will Smith and who he is, there's always going to be a comeback from it. Yeah. He can come back. He can come back, but he got to, he got to disappear for a second. That's why he's been off social media for a while to this apology. You got to chill, bro. You got to chill right now, bro. I had to chill. Like everybody goes bigger than me. You know what I'm saying? But now, but he went out the way. I would never walk on stage and smack another black man in front of the company. He was going through it. Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't care. We catch the fade outside in the back stage. We can catch the fade by the trailer, line it up, whatever. Because one of the questions that he answered. Because one of the questions he answered in this apology, because what he was doing, he was actually answering like, Jada sort of pushed him on there because of the look that she had on her face. But she was like, I'm so sick and tired of Will and Jada right now. Let's bring them Jada. Jaden, it's time for Jaden. It's time for Willow. I need Jada and Will to sit down at STFU. And that's my opinion. And you heard it here first. I don't care what anybody think about it. I want to go back to your counseling sessions, because you didn't actually finish that because you said you were going through counseling. You reduced the ones a week. So what have you learned about yourself during that time that you've been there and what are you doing? I used to live and I was living in a I would always I was living in a state of fear. I was afraid of success. I was afraid of let down. Afraid of disappointment. Afraid, fear, fear and fear is crippling. I was unaddressed, unchecked. I was a big thing. How did you overcome it or how are you working to overcome it? Mindfulness. Mindfulness, you know, meditation is big. You know what I mean? Meditation is quiet. I do a body scan. You know, you got to take your time in the morning. You know, instead of the first thing you do and getting on IG, I wake up and meditate. You know what I mean? And really check in with yourself. Check in with your body, check in with your mind, and that's been valuable. It's been valuable. It's been valuable skill set. Is that how? Because I know that a person who's always had, everybody has anger issues in them, and it just takes somebody saying one thing to really pop off. So, I'm serious. So, exactly. People can't, that's when you So how can you learn to regret that? People got to start eliminating triggers. I can't be, you know, nothing affects me. You can say whatever you want. I ain't tripping. But until you do something dirty, dirty, then that nigga gonna come out. And they don't want that nigga. But, that's real. But, you know, as far as like normal stuff, you know, as a businessman, as a CEO, as a producer, as a leader of men and women, I have to I have to take that responsibility. And it's the first time that I've actually had to like step into the position. Awesome. You know what I mean? And that with great responsibility. You know what I mean? And it really... Accountability, really. It's like we ain't playing out here. Because all the things that you've been through, you know... And it's not just about me though, like, it's a lot of people. I watch you because people hold you at a certain esteem. And that's what the people do for actors or musicians or whatever. Anybody on TV. When we grow up as kids and we're watching you, we hold you up here. Although, people don't think about you as another human being. You make mistakes. You do this. They hold you up here. So when they see you do crazy stuff, it's sort of like, it crushes them. Right. But I don't do crazy things. It just reported that way. I mean, I catch fakes. I've caught fakes. You know what I mean? So let me... So since you say that... He's known... People have seen you. They've laid your career out before everybody. And really, I'm being real. They've laid... They've looked at your career. You've been like an open book to us. Yeah. You was honest with us. Yeah. You went through whatever you went openly. So they really couldn't come at him a certain way. No. Because he was an open book. But as you say that, because we've had some friends... I do not beat women. Right. Let's check that off a little bit. Okay. I catch fades with... I catch fades if I have to catch a fade. Line it up when I have to line it up. You know what I'm saying? I'll bang. I'll cuss somebody out if I have to cuss them out. It's always for a reason. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's everybody that be the Karen's. It's the Karen's. And there's male Karen's. I don't know what you call them. Ken's. What we call them. Ken's. Mitchell's. Mitch's. I don't know what you call a male Karen. I'm bomb. And they don't... Oh, what are you doing? Oh, I got these out of control. Somebody stop this guy. How many times you heard that? I'm gonna sue you. I'm gonna sue you. I haven't heard that. I just get... I just get served. He wants somebody to... You don't hear it. You just get the paperwork. Some... With Mike, with Mike was on that airplane. He said that guy didn't sue him. Mike Tyson, wouldn't it? Oh, yeah. He let him make it. He let him make it. But boy, Mike gave him some blows. With Mike... See, Mike, he let him make it. But Mike... Mike would be like, you know, the old Mike, you know, you might... old Mike was up here. So, you know, he's like, you know, he's from... from... you know, Mike, like, I'm trying to... I was trying to do it like this. Now, new Mike is like... He smoked blunt. I mean, he smoked joint. Oh, yeah. He's going in. You know, come on, this is crazy when we don't look at it. But don't think I want to fuck somebody up. Oh, he can say, his interviews be crazy. Like, dude, you seen him in a few people? I'm like, I'm an older man, but I don't think... Mike will fuck you up. Mike, check you in the interview. Have you seen his pocket? You been on it? Hell no. Have you seen him do this? Like, he be like, no, because I don't... But you know, he told... I seen him do booze. I seen him do booze. He checked booze. He checked booze. He checked booze. He checked booze. He made you make it. Nobody... Mike is a... Mike and I talk crazy. He made all his money back. Like, not all of it. But he made all his money back. He chilled. He don't want to... Nobody made... But did you come into his space? He would tell you. He was like, Columbus, I used to be a killer Columbus. These guys, these guys, all these guys around here, they were praying to me. Yeah. I was like, wow. I was like, listen to Mike. Mike. Everybody like that. Everybody looking around. Like, Mike is going in on his... I love his... I love his podcast. No, Hot Boxing. Hot Boxing. Hot Boxing is amazing. He killed it. Listen, just like your podcast, like Boss Talk. One-on-one. You know, you guys bringing in the... bringing in the heat. You know, critical conversation. We having a good time, too. You know, critical conversations about critical points. Yeah. Staying poignant. Yeah. Being a voice. Educating our community. Yeah. You guys are the leaders of the space. You know, We just the common... common everyday people. No, but, but God is God. God is doing it. Yeah. And I just pray that, you know, he keeps a hedge of protection around. How are you Stephen? You know what I mean? Man, you my God, you motivated us to keep going a lot of the causes of the way like you just embraced us. That's organic. Like, we know you, you give us confirmation. There's certain ones that give us confirmation. Like, we got to keep this thing going. You got to keep it. You one of those guys, bro. Listen, y'all. Boss Talk 101 and just for you, I'ma sing. Ah! This year. So, I wrote a country record. What? I don't have my guitar on. So, that's fine. Man, ah, ah, ah, a fool for lovin' to, baby. Mmm. ah, ah, ah, I impacted all these empty invitations. Ah! Ah, when all I ever wanted was just you, baby. we could go around and around America, where we land, nobody knows but me and you. Standing under dialog, we can go up and down, left and right. And right as long as you and me tonight and forever So a lot of my skin you is what some man to do Hey those hands are really high Tyra been in the sky that I got you So what's a man to do? Hey, I lay back in the shade No, I got in me cuz I got you so what's a man to do? We busting we busting moves right now. What is it coming? It needs to hurry up and come out So when is it when is the project gonna be fully released do you really have a date? Are you still working on different epies? Well, there's I want you know everything I do now I have to be buying there and I'm doing a lot of things Yeah, and when you do a lot of things people get confused about what's what so I want it, you know orca my organization Representing community association, but your orcas Which the orcas which is organization representing community association, you know That's a lot of these things are going to be birthed through Gonna do is put it on it. Okay. Yep. Put it We're gonna just start dropping stuff through or like Snoop. People don't know like Snoop got records If they want to hear it, they can't just go on any streaming platform Right, you gotta be one of these you gotta be one of these wow you see that You can show the camera the orcas coming soon, baby Isn't that what she told us about Snoop song that they took them off of streaming platforms to put them in NFT Yes, yeah, yeah, that's exactly and my project manager is the same project manager So, you know, you can't you don't want to reinvent the wheel Follow the ones that did it right trust the ones that do it right listen to your advisors Even if you have a company and all I'm saying is to all the young Entrepreneurs out there build yourself a team that you can trust Just cuz you're the entrepreneur just because you're the CEO or whatever listen to your listen to your people And you know, you know and have people, you know the elder priestess eldest priestesses You know, those are the ones that I get you up through there Yeah, I've been wanting to ask this question because a fan last time whenever we interviewed you a fan reached out and was like You didn't ask about this, you know, how I was so With you did scandal. Yeah, and but you were let office candle. Why why did they let you office handle? well It was weird because they weren't gonna fire me We finished the season season three. I was up. I was probably about to be making like Probably have to be making like half a million to like 750 a week, right? But my ex-wife at the time I kicked her out of my house and She waited waited waited and then came up with some headline She made the story up that I threatened to kill her and kill my daughter Which the bit was not was absolutely false. Wow. And so but the the network ABC and Disney They knew it wasn't true because they know my whole entire life, you know me so can't act like I That's not real. So they was like No more headlines so I Dip to Arizona like I wanted to get out the way She went in there with her home girl tore up my house Did all this kind of crazy stuff and then another headline Shonda was like, we just told you we got you but not one more headline. We're gonna have to let you go Wow, but that wasn't even you that wasn't even you. That's how it went down. Wow Politics kind of like whatever, you know, yeah, because when I looked it up It made everything seem like it was all you like you just did this and you Like I challenge all listeners viewers Have you ever seen a face of a woman beat up and abused by Columbus short? No You could search scour the internet We ain't never seen but yeah, I'm I'm in a wife. I'm an abuser Don't you think these girls will be out here? Boom posts and pictures of me. Yeah. Yeah, you mean. Oh, yeah, you see, right? We don't think the surface back up all the time. Oh Chris all the time. No, no, wait Yeah, I mean, which is sitting with an happen for me Evelyn with Chad ocho Cinco losses whole career. Yeah Whole career. No, most definitely. I mean, you know, I'm saying like that's not a game, right? Where's way? Yeah You know, I'm saying people be losing their whole careers behind it. No, it's 100% true But now but now these girls but now these girls know they got to knock that stuff off Yeah, they don't realize what they're doing. If you really get beat up if you really get hit, all right But I know people that are really abused like people women be putting hands on pause on Yeah, they don't both way they push it to the line and then they got to get her off You know, I mean, yeah, you know, yeah, and then boom They got caught up in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying just that quick just that quick But it's the same woman who use kids as pawns. Yes You know what I mean and you can't you can't see this child and it's because they want to be that relationship with you You realize it hurt your first marriage. You say what did you have a daughter? He did a daughter. I have a from my first man I got married when I was 19. Yeah, it's Jaylin Who's at USC film school now. He has two boys with it. Yeah, my current wife right now. I Denzel and Liam. Yeah, I see them Yeah, they view that man love it man, and then Ayala, you know, I had with my ex that ex wife So boom They use kids as pawns. Yes, and I hate that and it's and it's and it's unfortunate You know, I think you know Once the time gets right and I get in a real bitter position I want to start a 501 C3 that supports men's that wanted men that want to just be that like why is it so difficult to be a dad That would be awesome. Why why do we have a big fight to be a father because I don't want to be with you Yeah, I don't want to be with you I'm a bad dad and why do you have to lose so many years with your kid just because you want to be a good dad because I've here I've heard men say, you know what? He's like, I don't want to deal with this drama. So guess what? Like four or five years before she moved with me it's at 14 she came with me because her mother was basically Playing going through issues games, right? And I was like, I'm not gonna deal with that. You know, we don't got time. Yeah, and I just want to work But you've lost so many years with that Yeah, and it's gonna take it's gonna take a reconciliation period and a reunification Yeah, but I'm down to do that. Like, you know, I had to literally stop Thinking about my daughter because it was making me sick. Yeah, I was missing her So I've been missing her since she's two years old. She's ten now. You know, I'm saying I haven't seen her in eight years Damn, wow, but Jamie told me, you know, just wait It's gonna be all right. It's gonna be all right. It's gonna they coming around. That's what he always says He always say you know when they get of age they can leave their mom and just Yeah, they know that that's that anger that they're spewing it the kid sees it They know it's there, but they create a whole narrative and a whole memory of things that are true I think about it when you're two years old Yeah, you know, you don't know what and they're hearing all this stuff from The parent the other parent that your dad just or he's sick or he's gone Yeah, they use that that's the game they play Yeah, and it and it people don't realize it's like child abuse it is because you're abusing of child mentally Before they even can figure out their own thoughts. It's something about the way you raise your child I've seen somewhere Tyler Perry. He's he got a seven-year-old and he will not talk to him about racism Don't talk to him about it won't let him Scar that child and put premeditated People see you when you come outside But not every person but not every person who is a different color of you see you like that No, but you need to know that that's how you're right, and it's it's called. It's not racism It's it is racism because we are one race, right? Homo sapiens are one one race We are one race because when the sky crack open and The Zeta reticulants are the reptilian or whatever alien species want to come and be like bomb we but we back Yeah, I mean we've been here. Whatever is cracking everybody gonna be looking around. You don't remember when Reagan said that yeah Yeah, we are gonna be looking around hold a hand the independence day So yeah, I mean, but we you know the mat the the being it being prejudiced and A big it against someone for the color of their skin. It's great nationality. It's just ridiculous. It is I've experienced it my whole life But I you know and I saw it on the other side. Yeah, because I traveled the world. I gotta go Okay, so I'm coming films that you can talk about tell us what's coming up for you I just finished. I mean remember me. It's coming out September on Hulu Remember me me let us see but Wendy will kill with Janet Huber Keith Robinson Oh silver stone silver throat Keith. Oh gee kill is Keith Who else in it? Corbin blue It says it's amazing cast Vanessa Amazing cast that's coming out and then we got I just finished a movie called life without hope But I think we are I don't know. I don't know. It's man. I just saw a scene yesterday. I was like This might be something that's gonna be it. Yeah, so I'm cracking with that Directed by Leo written and directed by Leo Sullivan and You know, I got a lot of stuff cracking coming down the pike listen man, we love can't talk about You my god and wherever I'm at I'm looking for you man. I mean real talk man. Every time it's a blessing man We are in LA kicking it with Columbus short man. Hey, man. I love Bob's talk one-on-one. I'm gonna support them and watch this Copy this a year from now. They're gonna be one of the number one podcast in the nation and the world It's been another great segment of boss talk one-on-one when the bosses talk and we out there we go