 So that the responsibilities changing or the other one was like having same messages that everyone can transmit or like having collective knowledge, asking each other for advice being open and like this. So the idea was, yeah, and then we were like concluding that it needs so, so we need a lot of patients. That was the thing we end up with. Okay. And last but not least, violence. Ada, please. Sure. Right. So we took it from the questions that you presented beforehand. Basically, the question whether we can come up with a common understanding of violence. And specifically, whether we can make a distinction between violence we can tolerate and violence we cannot tolerate and how we respond to those and respectively. And then we talked about ways to prevent violence. And we specifically engage with the question whether it's possible to develop and develop collectively and with shared responsibility a protocol and how to implement that on on violence and how to react to violence or respond to it. And there's a third question. The the question how to respond specifically and whether that there is a way of developing a non punitive approach to violence one that perhaps brings into communication and tries to to transform rather than to sort of draw a line and pretend to move on. However, so we we had a bit of difficulties engaging in a discussion for for a time. And I think that is telling in itself, but I'm not quite sure what it means, but I thought it was probably hinting to something. And I I would be interested in exploring that further actually. But basically, we came up with a couple of conundrums regarding those questions. So there was no yes. or no answer. But we certainly said that it's difficult to develop a common approach to violence that there are very, very different, very many different understandings of what violence means and some of them might be possible to tolerate but others would be very difficult and there would be also that links to the second question of developing a protocol or some form of guidance. And if we try to distinguish between violence, we tolerate and violence, we wouldn't tolerate because we would at some point have to name those types of violence that we would tolerate and then we might even invite them and for the last question there was an interesting point that was brought up that the question about the non punitive or punitive approach and that referred to okay, this is difficult, but basically there are lots of institutions or there are lots of laws etc in place within institutions that feminist movements have fought for for a very long time and so we don't want to undermine those efforts and those successes by basically circumventing them by adopting a non punitive approach but at the same time there is where it works and where it's possible to transform, we should put a lot of effort into trying to transform and also sharing responsibility for violence with the community or giving the responsibility back to all of community and not to individuals. Sorry, that was long. Okay, good. Thank you. So the idea now is to have a last round of impressions or especially we would like to hear if there's things that you think are missing in the conversation, things that you realize now that you wanted to say before or any dimension of these issues that we have skipped or yeah, things like that or if not not just, I don't know, any comment on any of the three issues. Yes. Ada, you can raise your hand in the chat if you want. Yeah, thanks. There's just one thing that came to my mind and it's more of a methodological point. I think we had a very engaged discussion in the end in our small group and we had lots of interesting kind of points of discussion at the start of the session but time went far too quickly and it passed by and I think those three topics are far too many to be discussed in a two hour session. So if we want to continue with this, I think it's worth focusing on one of the topics because I'd be very interested in hearing far more from the other two groups and engaging in a discussion of those topics now that we are almost closing. I think we all agree. Imagine doing eight. It was the idea at the beginning. So any other thoughts about the topics or we are going to do a short round of checkout before we finish but about the topics themselves. Is there anything missing, anything you want to comment? Any other challenge you want to include? Yes, I will be short. I will try to be as quick as possible. What would be interesting also for me to discuss in relation to power is how do we address our own privileges inside the organization and then how we take care that those who are unprivileged in our organization can kind of be empowered to have an agency. That would be also for me interesting in terms of tools, how to ensure these kind of things. Can you repeat the second one, Senya, please? The first was how do we address our own privileges in our organizations and the second one. How do we ensure that we empower the people who are less privileged but are part of our organization to have an agency, not only in the organization but if we want to go publicly in a political arena. So this would be for me also interesting to discuss in the framework of power and leadership and violence in a sense and care. In this way, I think that Cristian, she talked a little bit about their process and how to empower these very vertical people to have an agency in their organization. So maybe in some way she can share, I don't know, a document or something, but I think it's really interesting, yes. I would also like to say that in the report we tried to address that topic from the point of view of diversity and intersectionality. Although it's something that we try to address all the time but there's a specific section where we try to do that and it's very difficult also to say things about those topics without taking, without leading in those topics. So I don't know. Yeah, just to say that there might be a few ideas there but we also find it very challenging. So any, any other comments maybe on issues that are that from other groups different from yours or I mean there's no need to say much more but if you want, Angela. I'm, I, we're probably not going to solve this now but I sort of got really irritated by this violence tolerate to tolerate violence and and and which violence should not be tolerated. I wasn't in the violence group so I don't know what you talked about but it's sort of little black box for me which leaves me with a sort of rare feeling. So I don't know, maybe not now or maybe I should read the report and would be cleverer but it was also for us at the very beginning when we started working on this before we use that expression because it is one of the of the of the ways that one of the municipalities organizations we we worked with the future. And that's the way they focused a protocol to tackle violence and they try to distinguish within the violence that somehow can be collectively discussed as for example, I don't know, symbolic violence, the ways of the ways that sexist communication and because they think that with a with a work on pedagogy pedagogical work and discussion and collective work, they can be turned into into learning tools into transformative politics. And on the other side, they want that they think that they are just that they can be tolerated and they don't have a room in the organization. But I know that the idea of tolerating violence is is is shocking. But I think we need a broader debate on this. I'm totally agree with you. Okay, so we are going to What did you say? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Very brief. I was just wondering, I mean, as like two thirds of the people sitting here are within the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation, I was just wondering when we start doing something about our own organization on grounds and if that might be the next reason to meet and and like be a little concrete and debate all these issues that you have in that great little brochure. Just an idea. Yeah, I yeah, I would gladly be part of that group to write to write a manual for NLS like feminization of NLS. And we could start, for example, having as many women on the panels as men or something like that, which is not okay. So I think that we are going to close first. Thank you all of you for being here and sharing all your knowledge and experience and everything. And as you know, this is an open process and that we wanted to share with you and we hope that this is going to go forward. We hope that you are going to leave this meeting with more questions that you came with and because it means that we will work them together in a near future, I hope. And I see that Alex wants to say something. And yeah, just like before before the meeting today, we were also talking about some kind of repetition of those workshops in the different regions we have. I know it's just like wanted to take up this idea and ask it there if you have already like more concrete plans on it or if we are just like, yeah. Yeah, I will jump in and say that, you know, like kind of logistic things, we will get back to you with some notes about this in in Spanish probably what we will translate them into English. We will send you three videos of three other women as to risk in the other three municipalities that are part of the network that the authors are in and and in general, we are more than happy to actually challenge the whole publication and the whole idea behind it and the smaller details and the smaller pieces, so the bigger framework, the smaller things, whatever, we are totally happy that we can, I mean if you can read it, it would be great if you think that you can spread it, it would be great. It will be in English and in German very soon. It will be its already online version, we will have it printed also so we are more than happy to actually send a lot of paper copies to any place in the world. Just let us know we will and maybe this is yes, we can, we can totally distribute this. It's actually open and we will send you a dossier with, I mean you have the link already in the invitation so you can use that one, we will send you again the link to the PDF. We will send you the German version as well in case it's useful for the German speakers and the German ambience and what else? Any work that we can support, like if you feel like taking something like this but in your own local language to, I don't know, Latin America, Balkans, Germany, any place, please let us know if we can help with that. We are more than happy to disseminate, speak about it and if you need anything from us, we are happy to join in general. And actually Alex was already pointing at those local presentations. We don't need to actually close them here but think about them and if you feel like having maybe exchanges or whatever format you like, we are more than happy to think about them with you. And any further info, any exchange or questions that you might have also with the authors, we totally facilitate them and with the network that they are in. So everything very blurry. I consider this as a beginning. We are super, super close collaborators and we know each other and this is why we don't have to reach any conclusion. I like to open before we close. So, yes, let's be aware that we are in an open moment that this is a new thing that, I mean a new material, not a new thing or a new material that we can use and I think that we reached our objective of actually presenting part of what is there. So, yeah, thanks a lot. And just a final round, if someone wants to say how they are feeling, just in one or two words, it would be actually great to hear how you're feeling as a wrap up. Maybe you can start. What? Maybe you can start. I think that this is, I feel overwhelmed because this is the never ending story, so I feel overwhelmed, but fine. Okay, I would like to say that I would like to thank you for you for your attention and your patience because this is something I've learned on the way when speaking with all these different people engaged on the project and on the network. At least for me, it's useful also to show your vulnerabilities and your insecurities and I was a bit nervous because I think it was very difficult to try to speak two years of work and a very, very long report with a lot of details, two books, whatever, whatever, in seven minutes, in ten minutes and try to explain more or less and be, and try to be precise with the words and with the experience of other people, especially when it comes to violence when you are speaking with the experience of people who have suffered it. So I would really like to thank you for your attention, your patience and your participation. It has been a very, I felt like very secure and in a safe space to work with people, nice people to work with, so thank you very much. Yeah, bye. Thank you very much. I felt also a little bit nervous at the beginning, but I felt like really cared in our working group and in all the conversation. So thank you very much and I hope to see you soon. Just say thank you very much. It was really interesting. I could only read part of the brochure yet, but I'm looking forward to reading it fully and thanks for the opportunity and all your work. And I also wanted to say thank you to everyone. And I would love to have at one other point, not today, but another point, have the opportunity not only like, yeah, of course to talk about how we can implement it in our foundation, but also, I mean, like connecting the different time kind of projects we have, like in the European unit and in the Latin American unit and in the German unit or whatever you say. So we can like also, yeah, have this kind of conversation would be great. A lot of internal work in RLS to be done, huh? Yeah, so yeah, also thanks a lot. I guess it was great that we came in touch, but as Vera already said, this is just the beginning and it was good just to leave it that open and we of course in the European unit are discussing how we could go on and we definitely will keep in touch with like you, the partners, thanks a lot for that about it and as well communicate with your others. I also wanted to say thank you all. And I feel a bit overwhelmed. It was a lot of issues in a very different, difficult topic that we are already also tired of discussing or fighting for. So it's not easy and I'm happy that we have spaces to share those, at least those struggles and those interests and to see that it's not, I don't know, not crazy, just confronting our usual, our daily practices, but there's other people doing similar things or at least caring about similar things. So thanks. I also want to thank you for this, preparing this meeting. And I also would like to say that I'm happy that I met Angela and Birana here because although we live in the same city and kind of working in the same area, issues, issues on the same issues. We haven't had opportunity to meet like this. So I hope we will continue together, maybe to work on these issues. And I have this feeling that we kind of rushed through a lot of things. And as Vera said, I hope it's just the beginning and I wish we would find a way again to talk more in depth about some things. And also I would like to share that I would be happier if we are sitting together in Madrid, or in Barcelona, or somewhere on the seaside. So I'm also hoping for live meetings on this topic in the future. Fingers crossed for a quick solution for all this shit. Yeah, thanks. It's also very interesting to meet Xenia online. It would be nice even to meet you in Belgrade, just somewhere in the open. We are all tired of this Zoom session. Thank you for me. It was the first time with all of you and my feeling is that I look forward to reading the publication and actually coming back to all of you with some questions and maybe asking for advices when we have some concrete problems and to compare and illustrate with your solutions. Of course, we always end up having very much open questions and that's good. But at the end of the day, we also need to have at least some tentative solutions. So very often we need some good examples. So thank you all and I feel happy that I can consider you as a community to turn to. I also would like to thank you. I really as although I haven't read the material totally, but what I have read, I think it's really, really useful. And I feel it's a process, it's material which will be growing and strengthening with with the exchange and work with feminist movements. So I hope to stay in touch. And if you decide to make another meeting, I am very gladly participating. And so far I wish you a good evening and thank you very much. Can I speak? I also agree with Angela and with all my partners. I'm very happy to have been here with you. And I think we have the same problems and the same struggles and it was very good for me to hear from all your presentation that I think there were very complete. And yes, perhaps I'm a bit overwhelmed, but I think I have lots of questions, open questions to share with my partners here. Feminist movement in Argentina is huge, but it has a very, I'm with my son here and it's difficult for me. But Feminist movement in Argentina has lots of challenge also in the field of institutions and feminist sides of politics. And I think it would be great if we can keep this dialogue and also continue this dialogue with the activity that we are going to do in Brazil. But it won't be perhaps next year, it will be. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. I need to go with my son now. Adios Flor, gracias. Ciao, querida, gracias. Ciao. Okay. So yeah, let's go have dinner, right? Thanks a lot. You will get here soon. Bye, thank you. Bye. Bye.