 They can rip their little trotters off because they're just trying to escape with really vicious in there. So that actually happens. Yeah, they've got one here at Trilet Meats in Ashton on Kent, is it called? Oh, you want to see the gas chambers in there? What's this one called? This is called a gas chamber they... Did he not just... did he just walk straight on? Do you think there's... hello, you come and sit down? Hello. Hello, how are you? I'm good, thank you. What's your name? Amy. Hello, Amy. Hello. So I'm saying there's no argument against... Wow, you've got a vegan tattoo as well. I'm not vegan. I'm so vegan. I'm not vegan. I'm... everything vegan. So yeah, I'm saying there's no argument against being vegan for you right now in UK. So... Do you have any arguments against being vegan? Yes. What is yours? Come on. Meets Pang. Meets Pang? Isn't it Pang? Huh? Isn't it Pang, P-E-N-G? Yeah, yeah, yeah, P-E-N-G. So who would argue that because... I like the taste of it. You like the taste, yeah. I would just ask you a question. Do you think like, because you get pleasure out of something that's that morally justifier, like an act of cruelty, like cutting an animal's head off? I can't get pleasure from doing a lot of horrific things. That's true. That's true. But... What sort of animals do you eat first? Do you eat pigs? Yes. Have you seen how pigs are executed here in Manchester? No, I haven't. I try and score past it. How do you do? You know, when you buy a bacon, you pay for this to happen. It's called a gas chamber. So they're getting lowered down into CO2 gas. This is the most frequent way pigs are killed here in England. And they're suffocating and trying to escape. And they're screaming really loud. I've got the sound off there. So these are six month old pigs. Six months old? Yeah. They're trying to escape here, but they can't. They're just getting lowered down into a dungeon filled with gas. And it burns their eyes and nose and all the moisture in their mouth and lungs. They can rip their little trotters off because they're just trying to escape. They're really vicious in there. So that actually happens. Yeah, they've got one here at Tulip Meats in Ashton. Ashton on Kent, is it? Right. And then they come out this way and get stabbed in the throat. These are calves being killed in the dairy industry because male calves don't produce milk. So they'll either be shot on the farm or they'll be killed for veal. So they impregnate a female cow here. So what they do is... Manually. So this is what happens in the dairy industry. So they stick this in the bum of the bull to force him to ejaculate. And they take his semen from him. So they hold him down in this rack here. This is called an electro-ejaculator. And then when they take that semen they inject it into a female once she's ready to be impregnated. Probably about 18 months old, I think. They stick their hand in her anus to hold the cervix and then they put a pipette full of bull semen in there. When she gives birth, they'll take her calf because they don't want the calf drinking the milk because humans want to steal that milk. So they take her calves from her and they're very maternal animals. They give them a milk replacer. So she's upset here. Obviously cows are very maternal animals. Then they separate. So these are the calves. The boys in England, around 95,000 male calves are shot on the farm soon after birth in the dairy industry each year here in the UK. So these are male calves being killed. So then they take her milk. Then they take her life when she stops reducing milk after about four or five years. I used to watch in this. Yeah, I've seen a lot of it because I'll constantly talk about it. Birds in factory farms here in the UK. Horrible, horrible practices. Egg laying hens being gas chambered when they can't produce eggs. There's something that happens in the egg industry that you should know about as well that's really messed up. They'll separate them into male and female and the males won't grow up to be hens. They won't produce eggs so they turn into roosters because the industry don't really use them. They take a fewer side to be breeding roosters but the rest of them, this is what they do to them. And this happens in free range, organic. Come and have a look. They drop them in this blender while they're fully conscious and they turn them into pet food. So yeah, they're searing their beaks off of the females now. The females will basically just get enslaved. They'll lay eggs. You know, this is a free range barn here. This is a free range barn. It's a free range barn for eggs. That's free range. These are free range barns. There's a dead chicken in a free range barn. Then they send them off to be slaughtered. They put them on trucks, execute them. The main way to kill egg layers in the UK is in a gas chamber as well. But you've got sheep and fish. So anyways, that's upsetting, isn't it? I'm sorry you're upset. I was upset a lot too for many years. That's why I speak to people like yourself who just navigate everything they just would taste. But I try to think of the animals when I'm eating. With your brain rather than your mouth. Your brain can trick you too. I think it's more your heart-conscious compassion. Yeah. When I see chicken, I think of a bird. I think of a bird, how did they live? How did they die? I don't want to eat their body. I don't want to put their suffering in my body and I don't want to pay someone to be cruel to an animal because if I saw someone be cruel to an animal, I would stop them. I'd be close to punching them in the face. You probably helped me too. If someone is cruel to a dog, it's like everyone killed this person. But everyone goes out and three times a day they're paying for animals to be tortured and killed. How do you feel about that? Guilty? I feel really guilty. You're a bad person. I don't think you're a bad person. You should separate your actions from yourself. You can do something that has bad consequences but you can also do something tomorrow that has good consequences. You're not inherently a bad person if you didn't know. I've always been trying to make myself a bit ignorant about it. You don't want to face how you feel about it. I do love animals. Let's just say you put a blindfold on right now and I pushed a button that was killing animals. Cutting their head off every time I pushed a button on a blindfold and I didn't know about that button. Every time I pushed that button, animals are still getting killed. So whether you're ignorant to it or not, you're still pushing the button on these animals. So now that you're not ignorant, you know what happens to these animals. Know what happens when you push this button. Now you can start thinking about what am I going to do in my day-to-day life? And here's a vegan. You're a vegan? Are you? I ask people to do because you can't change the whole world. But you can only change what you do. You know what I mean? And that's why I've got these little things here. I know it's just another pamphlet but this one's really good, trust me. There's a vegan challenge here that's free on Facebook. And they give you free coaching and they coach you for 22 days and then it gives you a good leg in. These are all the places where you can make decisions that don't impact animals. So you can get a vegan option from Greggs or Saha or Subway. And this app here can help you find a vegan restaurant. And these are good stuff to replace eggs and dairy and honey. Yeah, I mean, I don't drink milk. You don't? Oh, that's good. It's really good, actually. She'd pray. Are you a vegan? Come over here. You can talk to us as well. That's a good. Oh, that's good. Vegan for the animals? Vegan for the animals? Yeah, of course. There's no other reason, is there? Why'd you go vegan? Because you found out about the dairy industry and all that? Yeah. Was it hard? These girls want to know if it's hard. Was it hard to go vegan? I love cheese. I eat cheese every day nearly. Vegan cheese. Bad ones as well. Yeah, it doesn't melt. There's a few in Tesco. I love the free-from range in Tesco. That's really tasty. And then there's one called Applewood. And it melts really good. Applewood has to have a vegan aisle now. I saw that on Facebook actually. But anyway, every time you eat the non-vegan cheese, you're sort of doing this to these cows. You're paying, you're supporting an industry that harms these animals. And if you care about that, it's a little bit of shopping for your favourite cheese. It's really not that hard. It's difficult being the animal on the other end of that decision, you know? So that's how I look at it. It was a little bit harder at the start, but then when I got built a new habit, it was a lot easier and now it's just second nature. But you can take this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You seem really affected. I have people on Instagram just sharing stuff on their stories. But I'm just... There's a lot of standard practices too. I'm pretty well versed on the standard practices here in the UK. So a lot of your friends are vegan. But you guys are against animal cruelty. But you're not vegan. Do you think that makes someone a hypocrite? Yeah. Oh yeah, I know I'm a hypocrite. I used to be for years. I couldn't handle it anymore. It's very valid. Will you make the decisions that impact these animals when you leave? Will you make a decision to avoid their suffering? Or will you make a decision to keep continuing? All together is a good thing. I know you think the other day they would do it. Would you eat a roast dog? No. What if I paid someone right here to just kill a dog and to turn them into a roast? Would you say that I was an animal abuser? You called me an animal abuser, wouldn't you? You said you paid for that dog to be abused and killed and there's a vegan burger right there. I can just choose a vegan option. I love Beyond Burgers. Beyond Burgers from Tesco. Honest Burgers? I think I'm just genuinely just so used to eating meat. That's why. I'm just used to it. So was I. Wasn't I talking to you guys? Yeah, nice talking to you. I promise we will make an effort for real. I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys listening. I enjoy eating meat. I used to as well. But now I just eat vegan meat. I don't enjoy using animal stuff. So what do you think is more important? Your taste or an animal's life? Animal's life, definitely. There's people out there that enjoy sex but that doesn't mean they can go out and just rape whoever they want because you've got to think of the victim. I might really love the taste of a steak but I think that the animal's rights matter more than me having that pleasure. No, I agree. I can't really argue again. I make it so that you can't argue against it. Don't you worry. I make a really solid argument for your animal rights. Thank you. See you later. You can take this if you want to guide. It's got all the info. Okay, see you later. Okay, so it looks like there's no argument against being vegan. I think I'll bring this table out again actually. I might enjoy those conversations. Yeah, still not convinced mate. Still haven't seen a very good argument against the individual sitting next to me not being vegan. So yeah, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe we'll find a caveman soon who's in a survival situation that really has no choice but right here in the UK got no excuses.