 So this meeting is now being recorded. Everyone should know that it will be posted to the town of Amherst YouTube channel for viewing by the public. Thanks everyone for being here. Welcome. This is the Jones Library Design Subcommittee. It's Friday, May 13 at 9am. And for call to order I'll just announce who's here. We have Sharon Shari. We have Austin. And we are missing George today. It's my understanding. Okay. And we have Craig to Carlo, our OPM. And of course, are completely always needed Angela so it started just quick administrative thing. We have minutes from the 29th that you would have all received. So sorry, Christine, can we just do a sound check to make sure that you can hear everyone. Sure. Yeah. And talk a little bit about open meeting loss suspension. Oh, I don't have that on. Oh, shoot. I don't have that weird thing that you get. Hold on. So I didn't know we had to do that for subcommittee too. So if you three. I can just say that you yes that you're here and that you hear us and I'm Sharon Sherry and I am here. And I'm Austin Sarah and I'm present. And this is Craig to Carlo with sound check. All right, I don't have a printed version. So, Angela, if you could just help me what a new paraphrase. So this meeting is taking place virtually and we welcome the public to speak public comment later in the meeting. This suspension of meeting face to face was enacted by Governor Baker as a result of the pandemic. And we once again thank everyone for joining us. Exactly what you said is what I need is a printout or an email that would be great. And then I can memorize it and babble it off every time. So great welcome. Welcome everyone. And we'll go to item two minutes. We have from the Friday the 29th, which was the last time we met. I have a motion to approve the minutes. I move that you approve that we prove the minutes. Great. And do I have a second second. Great. Okay. Are there any comments or changes that are adjustments that we saw. And since it's just the two of you, Austin and Sharon just speak out like, so, okay, looks like everybody's good with them. So, to approve our roll call. I'll just say Sharon. Yes, Austin. Yes, and myself three. And that's all we have for today. Great. Thank you. And thank you, Angela. So we will go to item three, which is welcome Craig. And we have three items listed. You can do them in any order however you want Craig. Fantastic. Thank you. May I share my screen. Yes, please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. While you're doing that, I just want to announce to everyone, I think we all know, but so the public knows item four with the fine gold Alexander architects, they will not be on the agenda today because they just didn't have enough to come and actually show us and they will be at the next meeting. In two weeks. And they'll have something to present to us. So that will shorten the meeting. Very good. All right. So here's the latest schedule, which is the meeting meeting. Library building committee. Just a real quick recap for folks at home who were not at that, or did not observe that meeting. This is the expanded or modified schedule. I've added some information specifically timeline for the temporary location. Something that we discussed at this meeting at this, which is a little bit more detailed. And then I also added some dates. Approximate dates for the completion, anticipated completion for each one of these items. And that's over here on the left-hand side of the screen. I also made a correction to when we can realistically anticipate move in and occupancy. Previously it was in January. But it was in May. But that wasn't giving the contract a full use of the site for 18 months. So I, we slid that over. So that looks like a delay, but it was actually just a mistake. And I think that was it that I changed about this. So here we are in May. And we are in schematic design. The official start of. The schematic design was on this May 9th date. So they've only met as the reason why they're not ready to present anything today is because they've been only been going at things for a week. They do the report that they'll be ready. As you were mentioning, Christine, at the May 27th meeting to show us some updated plans. Also, we. At the prior version of this meeting, we talked about. We talked about. Gender. Gender inclusivity, specifically as it relates to the bathrooms. And that's something also that they're looking into. And we'll report on at the next meeting. I think that's it for my timeline update unless there are any questions. Great. Next public outreach. So I'll pull up this guy here. I'm going to go to the committee. Alex LeFarve has done a fantastic job at. Converting all the comments that have been received into a format that is usable and trackable. It's currently being hosted on a web platform. So we don't have any issues of versioning, which I think is a great idea. What this is here is a snapshot. I think on. So on May 11th is when I sort of pulled a copy down from, from the live version and quickly went through and identified. In yellow things. Comments that I think the design team would like to have some direction on at this point in the project. Some decision as we've discussed in the past, some decisions are things that won't need to be done until. You know, months from now, others are things that should be talked about right away and everything in between. So quickly going through, I identified. So it might, you know, just. Based on what I was reading and my. Interpretation of the comments, what I thought this committee could talk about now and then feed into the design team. So I'll. So put that off to the side for now, but that's where things stand on that. And then with construction costs, there's no changes. Since our last meeting, things stand at the most recent construction cost estimate. Was at 30.3 million. I'm sorry, 30.8 million, including the CLT, the heavy timber structure, cross laminated timber. So that puts us at $3.9 million over our budget for the, for the project. And currently that budget stands at 36.3 million. So no changes there. Great. So if we can circle back to the. Public. Comments. First shout out to Alex. I'm so excited to be doing that spreadsheet. It's great. And I looked through Craig under the review date column. That you are sort of saying things like to identify today that we should look at. To start. Feeding member, whatever, to the designer. So. You know, we do have frequency and some are like 10 and some are like one. But that doesn't, you know, that's one factor to look at them. But the other one is. You know, do we want to tell the designer. To even consider the comment. So how should we, if you have any insight, how should we do this? Sure. So my recommendation, even though it may seem a little daunting, because there's a, you know, I'm going to guess there's probably 100 comments that I've highlighted. I think we can go through them pretty quickly. So if you want, either in this forum or, or offline, if you were to take a look at them, we could pretty quickly put them into different categories of this is something that we like and we are already anticipating incorporating into the design. So that's one thing we like and we're going to recommend, but we're not sure if it can go into the design. So we're going to recommend finding Alexander to take a look at it. And other things that may be a great idea, but aren't necessarily achievable based on what we know now. Can I just ask Craig so. Okay, so I have, I have not looked at your, the yellow, like what, what the design team needs to know now. I absolutely, I trust the process. I trust how you're directing us. My question is, and this is within me, not even reading. So I don't, I don't even know what we're talking about yet. My question is what if we agree to, you know, the first, the first 10 items that, that, that are frequently mentioned, everybody loves, but then by the end dish of this process, we're obviously not going to finish this today. And then we come to things that have even a higher frequency mentioned and we like it even more than is that, is that a problem? So if I understand the question. So you're talking about if there's something that we like the idea. It's mentioned once or twice. So in the future or later, we look at another idea that's got more popularity, let's say, what is contradictory to the first idea. Contradictory or way more expensive. Okay. Like, are the decisions that we're looking at today and then following weeks, is that affecting the budget or is it just affecting space? So in, in general, the ones that I flagged for discussion now are things that would affect the layout. Perhaps things that would affect the building massing. I think those are the two, two big categories I looked at. So kind of putting my mind or putting myself into find go Alexander shoes, you know what they're going through now. These are the types of comments that will maybe help shape the design. So there's, there wasn't a whole lot that was very, there wasn't a whole lot of, there weren't very many comments that were very explicit or very concrete. Like we want such and such a room to be painted blue. It was more like more general ideas. And so those types of things. So if we say, all right, well, we've got these hundred things, we go through them quickly. These are the 25 we want find go Alexander absolutely to, you know, corporate into the design to the extent possible. Here's another 25 that we would like them to look at and see if it's possible. And there might be some contradictions between those two. And then here's another set where just right off the bat, we, you know, you know, some, not that this was a comment, but if someone wanted to put like a water slide indoors, we could say like, you know, that would be really fun. That made us from the dream board, but we know it's not realistic to, to include that in the design. Okay. Thank you. So, um, I agreed with the ones that you highlighted, Craig, there were a couple, and sometimes it's hard to understand like what the comment, you know, because someone puts a comment, but we're trying to get in their head, what that meant, like there's, if you could, there was 172, I think it was comment line 172. Share the screen again. Yeah, if you want to, it was, I'll just read it. It said historic priorities. Um, dash stone exterior, which I assume they're saying they want more stone exterior, but it's hard to tell. But six people actually said, like, yeah, they back that, however they read the comment, they liked it. Um, so that one wasn't highlighted. You know, so I just wanted to ask you again, like, were you able to confirm on what you were highlighting or should we also be like, I don't know, do a second pass or. We can certainly do another pass. I did go through them pretty quickly, but with that particular one, um, the exact, um, material that goes on the exterior of the building is not a decision that final Alexander is working on right now. So they're doing mostly layout and, you know, they're doing a lot of work on the exterior of the building. So I think we're able to get the hands to get everything to fit in and get those adjacencies and relationships. Worked out well. Um, So those are the comments that I was kind of calling and highlighting in yellow. Thank you for saying, excellent. Okay. So we, I also have to remind everyone that this is sort of like a rolling thing. Like we're taking a snapshot right here. In fact. Um, I don't know what you're talking about. Um, But actually when I, you have review date. But we actually have to look at, all right, this date received when it was received, right? So some of these are the first, the 11th. Um, So do we have to, as a design. Team today. Well, obviously we can't get through them all today. When do you think we need to get our first. I think it, I think they, the information can go and sort of a rolling basis. Um, as decisions are made or, uh, the committee decides these are things that you want. Find gold Alexander to either incorporate or look into. I think, you know, The sooner we get that information to find gold Alexander, the better. Um, but I don't think there's a hard and fast date. And I think to sort of address the comment of, um, You know, we won't necessarily be able to get through all these today. Um, I guess maybe we could do like a sample. Say like, all right, let's take a look at just 10 or 20 and then see how long it takes to get through. Cause you're right. And some of them may be. Longer, more involved conversations. And maybe those ones get table. Um, I liked Sharon's idea. If we could sort the table. By ones you've highlighted and then maybe by frequency. Um, and just see where we sit at that point. And then pick. I also, I see Austin. Your hand, Austin. So I just want to thank you, Christina. Thanks. Thanks. Craig and Alex obviously for this. Um, I don't want to get his hang up on conversations about process. But I think we need to talk a little bit about the process. And here I, uh, Sharon or Craig can be helpful. So we, we are a subcommittee of the building committee. So if we want to burn it gallery, move to the front of the building, let's say, is that for us to tell the architects, or is that for us to tell the Jones library building committee and for the building committee to tell the architects. Now I understand that there's a, we need to do this now. But I think we need to make sure that we have a lot of comparative in the next building. The next building committee is in for 10 days from now. But as I've understood our charge, it was to make recommendations to the building committee. But. But maybe that's maybe that's not accurate. That's number one. Number two. I find these comments all helpful. But the help that they give me is they. Help me think about what the Jones library building committee. Should want to do with the design of the library. And when I looked at the spreadsheet, I looked at them. Not so much with frequency because the numbers are going to be small and the numbers are always going to be unrepresentative. We don't know who those 10 people were. So I looked at them from the point of view of G, I hadn't thought of that or G, I thought of that. And this really makes me really want to drill down. So I just want to make sure that we know what we're doing in terms of communicating whatever we think to whom we are communicating it. Austin, I think you first off, I want to say on your second comment, I think you pointed out something that is very important that you're right. I think the comments are really interesting thought provoking at a minimum and need to at least be looked at. And my thinking is that the building committee as a whole needs to read through all these comments, just like we are, because you're right, it gives you insight on. You know, not just what the comment is, but sometimes the opposite of what the comment is saying, like it just gets you thinking. So. And that process, I agree with you. Craig, first off, should we be giving all of these comments? Like, I don't want to overwhelm the designer and then just highlight ones that we want them to act on, which then triggers process because Austin said, like, do we decide like where the entrance is or whatever? Like I don't see us as deciding anything, but more trying to narrow this down to be more feasible for the designer to be able to give options for items that like the entrance, we can use that as an example. So Craig, do you have insight on how process. And what does the FAA actually get from us? Certainly. Okay, so find gold Alexander will benefit most from clear direction from, let's just say, the community of Amherst, whether it's, you know, this, this subcommittee or the library building committee. So to the extent that that message or that package of comments says these are the ones we as community want you to look into. Those two buckets, these are the ones we definitely want to incorporate. These are the ones we want you to look into the feasibility of incorporating. The clearer that direction can be to find gold Alexander, the better because what puts them in a real quandary is if we pass them two comments that are say mutually exclusive or contradictory, then they, you know, it's not their place to say which one is right, which one should be followed, which one is better for the community. They might have an opinion on it. They may say, well, you've given us these two. And that is actually now that I'm saying that that is something that if there are two sort of options and it's like, all right, we want up, we want down. We could, you know, the community could say to find Alexander. Hey, we're considering these two things. We, they seem to be equal. Which one do you think from, you know, in your based on your expertise, which one's going to give us a better product, which one's going to get us a better building. Okay. So how about Sharon Austin, tell me what you think. What if we did sort these and just start with 10 and just see how our discussion goes, you know, how much in the weeds, or is it, you know, and just feel them out as examples on how to handle them as an experiment. And I do, we keep coming back to this. I mean, maybe there's four options. There's one, like it's already being done. Two, we definitely want this included in there. The design two is maybe in the design. I mean, three, that's number three, maybe in the design, and they can give us feedback on it. And then option four is. Well, we don't, which then we, I, there's, let me throw it out to you. But I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. If we all ask three, going back to sort of Austin, like if we determine like, no, we won't send this comment to the designer. Well, what happens to it? We just don't send it to them. Like how should we handle this? Can I, can I say, so what, as I'm briefly reading over the screen, a lot of these things. I'm agreeing with Craig. Yeah, absolutely. That's included. So, but that being said, so, so what I'm asking you guys now is the value of doing this live. Well, everybody's on the zoom screen. Or can we give ourselves this homework assignment? Okay. Everybody take this spreadsheet home, sit down with it and, and decide whether it's a yes, definitely it's a maybe or it's a no way. And then meet again before two weeks. Yeah, that makes sense. That way we're not, I don't want to waste anybody's time. I, I like, I was thinking the same thing, like maybe we should all individually go through them thinking of however, I mean, I just threw out those four options, but maybe we need to just refine that is the process. And then I'd be up for coming back and. Because sometimes I might think, well, maybe in the design and then Sharon, something comes out of your mouth about, and it's like, well, of course it's a definitely in design, you know, I'm just saying we would still have that conversation. So the three of us, four of us, George, we would all come back and we would still discuss, but maybe it would be faster because we would have all looked at the whole burst. And are you talking about the entire spreadsheet? Or just the highlighted ones. Definitely the highlighted. I mean personally, I would do the whole thing. Austin, what do you think Austin. Thank you. This is what I think. I think that we should all look at the whole spreadsheet. We should concentrate on the things that Craig is highlighted because he's given us some help. That's number a number B. Craig, did you highlight the location of the Burnett gallery? Yes, I believe I can. I think that's the first one. Right. All right. So it looks like we've got. Maybe 12 comments. Right. Right. One of them had to do with the location. Did it not. High visibility, easy to find prominent location. Oh, did you spot it already? Yeah. The list. Yep. Okay. That at 10 comments, right? So that's a lot of the people. Who came to the event. Made this comment. Okay. So. Let's think for a minute if we can Christine in a kind of thought experiment. Sharon remind us where the Burnett gallery is located now. Right now on the garden level. Right. What would be the implications of moving the Burnett gallery. From where it presently is imagined to be Sharon is smiling. That's because that's, that's like the million dollar question. FAA would, would roll over and use some swear words at me, I think. Just because it's not simple, like the whole, the whole issue that FAA is having right now is taking all of these pieces that are all these different shapes and sizes and sizes. And then trying to fit them into these very specific holes that are in these locations that cannot be moved because of the 1928, you know, those walls that are there and, and we want to leave as many of those walls there as possible. So it's such a complicated thing. So I feel like we could say to FAA. Yeah, I agree with that. That would be fabulous. And then let FAA say to us. I'm sorry, it's just not happening on the first floor. Or yes, it can happen on the first floor. So I think it's important for us to. Kind of. I want to press back on what you just said, Craig, take down your screen share for a minute, would you. Do you really think it would be fabulous to have the gallery as the first thing that people saw. Or you think that it would really be fabulous if when people came to the library, they had a kind of unimpeded. You know, the Cirque desk. So I just think it's important for us to. Like, try to be real. I mean, it's a wonderful idea to highlight the Bernadette gallery. But we're, we're, we've got to think of the whole thing and how it's going to work. And you want people coming into the library and kind of. Causing through the Bernadette gallery. I mean. So I, I thought, gee, that's a really interesting idea. It would not have been on the top of my list. For redesigning this. The interior spaces to accommodate. Putting the Bernadette gallery in a more. We'd have to talk about what more visible needs. But I look at that when I thought, gee, that's a great idea. I love the Bernadette gallery. It's a treasure for the library, but that's not one that I would put at the top of my list of priorities. Can I just comment on, on the comment we're reading. You know, if you unpack it, it says first, it was high visibility, which is subjective, right? Does that just mean good way faring or signage or really welcoming door? I think it's really easy to find. Same thing is it, you know, I think people are coming from the existing Jones that it can be really hard to find certain rooms right now, like impossible. And then the third was prominent location. I think the library still needs to function as a library is its first purpose and galleries are wonderful. But you know, you can never forget, it's a library. And I think it's a lot of different ways to think about it. I think when we unpack this, it had three parts. And I think it had a lot of different ways to think about it. So it did get a lot of checks, but was it all 10 people saying they want it prominent? Like when you walk in the front door, I don't know, we might be reading into that too much. So is it, so there's a comment. What do we do with it? I think is the process. We have a lot of evaluation. Like you said, what do we do with it? Do we forward it? To the designers? We're just saying. You know, it isn't just prominent. We want the gallery to be easily found or welcoming or. So Christine, my view is what we do. The design committee has to have conversations. With the design committee. The design committee then should make recommendations to the building committee. And the building committee will endorse those recommendations and send them on to find old Alexander or not. And they, what you just said, I found it incredibly helpful. You know, we recommend to the building committee that the architects be asked to make sure that there is fill in the blacks, that there is adequate signage, adequate lighting, adequate, whatever. Not that the Burnett gallery be moved from the. Where it is currently, and let's make, let's, let's do the job. Let's make a list of, here's what we recommend. And that's going to come from. Our understanding of the design of what we've got. And are benefiting from. The comments that we've, we've gotten, we're going to get more comments. Public outreach is not over. So I, I, I take Sharon's point. Let's do some homework. Let's look at the thing. Let's come back prepared to discuss. And say, and each one of us could say this is what I'd like to recommend that the Jones library building committee. Convey to the architects. I think that's a really good way of. What you're bringing up, how we should look at these comments, not just look at the comment. And you, on behalf of the design committee can present the recommendations from the design committee. To the Jones library building committee. And again, with the appropriate notion that this is an iterative process. We're going to get more comments. The design is going to. Develop. So how about, how about we, how about we do that. I think that's a really good way of. Yeah. I think we should just look at the comment as the comment. Because it isn't always clear what the intention was. The full suggestion or what people had in their mind when they wrote that or checked it. And maybe some of these can be grouped together. You know, so I guess what Austin saying, like, we kind of just did that one that we just evaluated. Right. We were going to morph our comment a little bit. In response to the comment to send to the designer. So we're going to do that. We're going to do that. We're going to get grouped together. So that's what we should keep in mind as we're going through, maybe make some notes. So our homework will be to go through all the highlighted ones with that in mind with sort of thinking about, is it already in? It definitely needs to be evaluated maybe. Or like just not a, it just doesn't work. Or it's not whatever we can figure that out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When, how long do you think, and Sharon, can you explain this to either have him watch this or explain to him great. So how quickly do you think we could meet again? It would be great if we could meet next week. Yeah. And to me, it's a meeting, but it's sort of a working meeting. If that makes sense. We're just sort of like, if we were actually at work in a room, it would be great if we could meet next week. I don't know if Austin can hear us, but. Yeah. So would, are we thinking like next. Friday or a different day. Wednesday or Thursday, if possible. Wednesday or Thursday. I would give Angela time to post it. Yeah, that's true. She'll just spray. Wednesday. I'm really open. Thursday is a little harder for me, but Austin. What about you, Craig? Yeah. I don't necessarily need to be there. I don't think this discussion, but when I'll join if I can, but Wednesday, I'm book solid. Thursday, Thursday, I have some openings and then Friday. I have a lot of opening, but don't schedule around me. I'll join if I can. So if Austin's still listening Thursday morning is. Yeah. Yeah. I think I can work that somehow was Thursday morning. Good for you, Sharon. We took. And what did you say Friday, Craig? You had. So are you Friday, not good for you, Sharon? Thursday, I'm wide open. And Friday. Morning. I would only be available after 11. Okay. And that's both fine with me. Sorry about that. What, what day are you talking about now? So we do have Wednesday. We have Thursday morning or Friday after 11. Talk about the 19th. Yes. At what time? Nine. That works for me. And that works for you, Sharon. And Craig, are you available at all? No, Thursday at nine, I'm not. And it's probably fine. I think we can grind through us, like 80% of them. And then we'll just flag ones that were like, yeah. But I make a, I make a contrary suggestion. I think it's important for Craig to be with us when we do this. Because he may say, you know, gee, that's really great. But. If you recommend that it's going to. The building's going to have to be built upside down. So I'd like to find a time if we can. When Craig could be part of that comments. Conversation. Okay. Thank you, Austin. I don't want to think that I want Craig to think that he's indispensable, but he is. He totally is. So nine to 10 on Thursday, 19th, nine to 10 is my morning obligation. I've got a meeting. And then I've got another meeting. In the afternoon, but I don't think we're talking about afternoon. So I'm free. Starting at 10 ish. Until 1pm. Can we do 10 on Thursday? Or do you want 1030? I mean, I know you're rolling out of one meeting. 1030 would be ideal. So we've got next Thursday, the 19 at 1030, we will meet. And we will have gone through these. And sort of rank them and put some comments and we'll see where. We can go with it. Could Craig, for those of us that are. Technology challenge could Craig. Email us as an attachment, the highlighted spreadsheet. Absolutely. Thank you. All right. So we're good with that for Thursday. And Austin, you do have your hand up, but does anyone have any other comments for the OPM or for how to handle these comments? I don't see anything. So. Again, I'll move on to item four. Find Alexander architects. They are not here today because they just started schematic design and they asked for another couple of weeks. To come back with something more significant for us. So great. Okay. So item five benchmarking library visits. Saw your doodle poll, Craig. Thank you. Yes. So unfortunately there's no home run. There's no. That works for everybody. I really have my fingers crossed, but to sort of clue in the, the public. So the idea is we have these three libraries that have been recommended to the community to tour. The public library and Wubram public library. I believe that all, I have not contacted libraries yet. That's something I will do. Once we have a day sort of blocked out, but the idea is I think all three of them can be visited in one long day. Let's see what else did I want to bring up about that. So we've got responses from Alex. I'm going to bring up George. Christine Sharon, Austin and Jenny Hamilton. And like I said, there's no. One day where everyone can do all the tours. I broke up the doodle poll into like a morning session, which is Holyoke and then, or that's early morning and then late morning through evening would be to get to. Medford and Wubram and then get back. So there are some, some options. I'm going to go back to the public library. So it looks like the two days and I, and I did, I looked at May 18th, which would be next Wednesday. Same as we were talking about earlier, give Angela time to post it as a public meeting. Just make sure our bases are covered. May 18th all the way through June 11th, basically every day that those three libraries are open, which is. Monday through Saturday, with the exception of Memorial Day. Most promising are June 8th and June 10th. Unfortunately, George is not available either side. So Austin and George have kind of opposing availability. Austin was available more in June. George is available more in May. But we can get everybody except George on the eighth. So I'm going to ask about the 10th with a caveat that Christine, your schedule indicated you were not available in the morning. On those days, and I wanted to ask about the 10th. Well, you're not available because that is the day that, that we have this meeting scheduled or was there something. I'm actually on vacation. Those two weeks of June, but it's near Boston. So that's why I was like, Oh, I can do the. The afternoon session too, but I won't be out here. I also knew that the Holy oak one is close enough. I'm like, well, I could go do that on my own worst case. Or I didn't know if I know you're trying to do it all in one day. I didn't know if it was an option. If you would then split it and do. One day that is to try to capture more people. You know what I'm going to say. Yes. That's actually there's potential there for sure. So how would you, I don't want to be the one to sort of make the, the call on which day is best or, you know, who should be there? Who shouldn't. I believe everyone who has submitted information to the poll can see. Everyone else's availability. So. Yes. I would ask that somebody other than me go through and look and say, okay, this is what we want to do. Okay. So I would like to add the idea is Christina, you came up with about maybe doing the Holy oak one one day. Maximize the number of people who do that. And then Medford and we'll burn another day. That should be no problem to set up. But so yes, I would look, I would look to someone on the Amherst side to tell me which days they want. And I'll make the calls and schedule. Yeah. Craig again, I'm sorry to be the technology one. Can you resend the link so that those of us. Have it right in front of us can. Can look. Yep. And I have it here. If you want me to pull it up on the screen, if you want to take a quick peek now, but otherwise I'll forward it to everyone. You guys want to look at it now. Okay. So our building committee meeting is looking at it right now on the Doodle from your previous email. How do Sharon and. Austin right off the bat. How do you feel about splitting the days? Is that an option? They would be great to split it. But I, what was I going to say? Oh, so the building committee we meet as a whole on the 24th. So it doesn't make sense for us to decide. What we're going to do. We're going to have a meeting with everybody else. So why don't we, we'll come back with a recommendation for you, Craig. How does that sound? Okay. Yeah. So the 24th. So we. You want to wait till then to finalize all this or. The dates. I'm not sure how else to. Do it without chatting with the full committee. I don't know. So thinking out loud, how many of them really want to go? And I don't know. Craig, how many people were, I'm sorry. How many people responded to the Doodle? Six, I believe in addition to me. And to be fair, I did. In the email invitation said, Hey, please have us, your comments by the end of the day, Friday. So there may be someone else who's going to look at it today. And add their availability. I don't know if it's okay. I think we should operate on the basis of who responds to this Doodle poll. Craig, you should send a reminder to people. That they need to get their things in by the, by the end of the day. Once we know what the things are, we're going to pick some dates. And the people who can make it can make it. If they can't make it, they can't make it. They're free to go to these libraries. They're open to the public. At any point that they like. I think the idea of splitting the visit, going to Holyoke one day, and then going East. For the others makes a lot, makes a lot of sense. But let's just send a reminder to people. If you're really interested in doing this, we're going to be, you know, scheduling it. And then let's, let's schedule it. And then we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to schedule it. And some people are going to make it and some people are not going to make it and things are going to come up. People say they're going to make it or going to end up having to have surgery or something like that. So. Right. It's from COVID. We know it's all about plan B. So Craig, that's great. If you could send out an email reminding everyone to do it, but also just put a line in there to say that we might split it up in their head because I know I was evaluating them pretty much just like a whole day thing, but I'd have more flexibility. I might even go back in there again and give it a hard look if we're trying to split it. And then we could maybe next Thursday at that meeting. When we're meeting for the comments, we could also finalize the dates then. How's that? So if that's the case, then a few of these earlier dates, Craig, that you set up are obviously not going to happen. And you could probably remove those. So it wouldn't really start until. So if we decided on Tuesday, I don't know. Thursday, the 26th. Then we really, I mean, what would be the soonest option? Because we have to, we have to post this, right? Angela. Like. Yeah. So it wouldn't start until the next, like the Tuesday, the 31st. So 30, whatever dates we had. And if we can't make that work, if we split it, then. Then we'll just have to put a camera on your head, Craig. And you'll have to do a video for us. All right. So we're good with that. By the way, I'm sorry, Craig. I actually think that was a, that quip was a very smart. Idea. Sorry. But I wonder if. One could, you know, FaceTime or whatever it is with, with people. I mean, this is, this is like second nature to real estate agents. So. Right, Craig. I mean, we could just take a camera people can't physically come. You know, this is what the. It's what it looks like. And the room. You got to go pro, Craig. My daughter does. Or my old file does. So yeah. We put it on our cat, but yeah, I could take it off. All right. We'll give that some thought off. I mean, you're right. It would be interesting to hear, because that's part of why we're going. We want to hear. Sort of the tour, what that representative from the library is going to do. I'm going to move on to item six. I don't have any. We'll move to item seven, which is the public comment. And at this time, public, hello, attendees out there. If you have something to say, we'd like to speak. Please raise your hand. Yeah. Okay. We'll see if we can high-tech this. If there's no other comments, I'm going to move on to item six topics. Not anticipated. I don't have any. We'll move to item seven, which is the public comment. I'm going to move on to item eight. So, please raise your hand now. And we will. Give you that time. I see five people. I'm not seeing any hands. I'll give it another minute. So our next meeting is I'm just still giving that a sec. We'll be next Thursday at 10 30. Thank you, Angela. I'll get you. Agenda to put up for that. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So I don't see any hands. So I'm going to move on to adjournment and I'll see you all next Thursday. Happy weekend and have fun with your homework. Thank you.