 There's a stay-cast right there should definitely be illegal that place Should we get out of front of Marduking or should we go out the front of the stay-cast? I think it's quite fitting that we go to the stay-cast then. I do want to ram that down their throats Force my opinions. We've got land of hope and glory on the screen. We've got some of my environment facts We've got a lot of people around us. You can read the table here. I think meeting me should be illegal I want someone to try and change my mind. Let's see if the public want to have a little chat about this So the sign over there 18 quid for a piece of an animal that got hacked up. Come have a chat Come talk about it for YouTube. Do you want to have a chat? Are you a vegan? Really why tell me why? People shouldn't murder other humans because it's the right thing to do either, but we've got laws though You know, it is the right thing to do not to murder each other But there's laws as well as a double standard for humans and animals that we have That's a vegan It's a bit much. No, it's not. It's absolutely justified Hey, mate You like chicken? Yeah, so you're saying you're trying to change my mind. Yeah, you don't think eating chicken should be illegal Okay, I think it's fine come and have a seat mate What's your name? Kai Kai. I'm Joey. This has been filmed for YouTube. You cool with that? Yeah, that's fine. All right, cool So it says eating meat should be illegal. It's pretty simple statement. What are the First of all, I just want you to tell me why you think it shouldn't be because It's a choice. I mean Like honestly, I'm like if you want to eat meat, it's fine. If you don't want to eat meat, you know, it's fine No, it should be like it should be like legal or illegal. You know, it's it's it's a choice I'm mad, you know, okay? So you're saying that it shouldn't be illegal because it's just the choice. It's just an arbitrary choice There's no victims involved Well, I mean the animals, you know, I mean like the I mean like the meat industry I know it's you know fucked up but I mean humans are like omnivores and we need meat, you know for our diets and Do you want us should we fix stay on that point because you're gonna have you got a few more points? Yes, should we just go point for point? Are you happy for that? Yeah, so you're saying that we're biological omnivores Yeah, so that we cannot survive without eating meat. I mean we need meat and We need like meat Well, we need like meat and vegetables like to survive, you know, you cannot survive without You cannot survive without eating meat. That's your claim. I mean meat has like sent like Products and biological, you know, like vitamins and nutrients. You're saying yeah, okay So what are those vitamin and nutrients that you that are essential and only found in meat? I mean, I'm not a scientist So you're making a very strong claim that we cannot survive without eating meat So I'm just wondering if you got any evidence to back that up. I mean, I just like Came from the sheet. I mean So, you know, I don't have like a paper, you know with you know all the documents, you know, okay Well, I do there's a very big paper that was released by the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics It's over a hundred back by 117 studies peer-reviewed Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is one of the largest nutrition group of professionals on earth about a hundred thousand of them collectively and it was a peer-reviewed paper saying that vegan diets are healthy for all stages of life including Athletes infancy pregnant women. What do you think about that that science? Well Well, well the thing is that they're like studies, which I like claim that we can a lot like diet It's not like good for a child or for, you know, a newborn, you know It like it needs, you know a bit of meat a bit of everything. I haven't seen any of those studies peer-reviewed at all I mean, I've seen articles, but I've never seen any peer-reviewed studies. I mean like you should Like they're like, you know peer-reviewed studies now, you know the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics isn't a vegan organization They're a group of non-vegan probably predominantly non-vegan You know doctors and dietetics and nutritionists and So what I'm saying is they had 117 studies backing their statement. It's a very large statement But I mean like I mean there are studies, you know claiming otherwise. So, you know, it's just you know It's just you know Well, you're saying you don't know what the nutrients are just give me that give me one nutrient That's found in me. You can't get elsewhere Iron iron is like in meat. It's like a lot of iron and iron is like, you know Well, we like we need iron and like if you're vegan if you're like if you're like a vegan But sharing like you need to you know, like eat like well, I don't know I mean, I've never been you know of during or a vegan, you know, but no like iron is you know, essential You know, well, I agree. So, you know, I think iron is found in plants. That's that's I mean It's fine. I mean it's found in plants, but meat like like has more of it Yeah, meat has a heme iron doesn't it what he mine the iron that's found in blood I'm sorry. He mine is the iron that's found in blood. I mean, yeah, that'd be the the iron that's found in You know the corpse of an animal would be the the iron from their blood So we'd be drinking their blood to get the iron out of it. I mean Aren't we like have blood inside, you know, our guts. Yeah So do you think it would be morally justified to kill a human to get the iron out of their blood? I mean I mean I mean because you have iron in you don't you? I mean, I understand that we have iron, but I mean I mean now We're facing a problem with overpopulation and like, you know in fiction, you know, like this man You know swollen in green. Have you ever seen like swollen green? No, but people tell me about it Hey, is that where they start feeding humans to humans? Yeah. Yeah, people don't actually know do they? Yeah, they don't know but I mean I Mean, it's unethical by I mean By me it's like it's a future like it spends Like for me like killing an animal, you know, I Don't you know, I don't like it when it's like being like killed, you know, like Like, you know, it doesn't feel morally. Okay. Yeah, but I don't mind if we like you know in the future we We discover how to you know replicate like meat cells, you know in like in the lab and like lab-grown meat, you know That is more, you know, better, you know for the environment and you get and for our morals We can talk about the environment. I'll just tell you what my argument actually is. Okay. I don't think I actually know I know for a fact scientific fact that we do not need to eat meat for any reason. Okay There's no reason to eat meat. It's actually causing some of our top diseases and human beings heart disease Cancers type 2 diabetes. It's actually causing the number one cause of all of the environmental destruction we face and It's enslaving innocent animals who have done nothing wrong We're breeding them and then we're murdering them for a steak after we feed all of our resources to them So that's why I think it should be against the law. I Mean it I mean it's your I mean it's your it's your like It's your like It's I mean I have started it's your like a Opinion but like Agriculture in general like it uses like a lot of water and and a lot of resources. So like for me a Better like way how to make food is, you know, it would be like, you know trying like to replicate it in a lab You know not like Making like feels of feels of like grain rice or you know cows, you know It's better like to you know invest in science and make you know something that you know Like can be easily replicated. So why would we replicate it? If you think if you think that it's fine to wait I'm sorry. Why would we replicate me if you think meat is essential? I mean right you're saying there's an alternative to me But right now it's the only way how we can eat meat. Okay. I mean I'm not like I'm like I'm not like saying that that like, you know eating like factory, you know budget meat, you know It's morally justified, but I'm saying it's you know, it's the only way like right now, you know you know We are switching to and you know all like electric like, you know cars and stuff, but you know like majority, you know of Car drivers like still like drive like diesel cars. So it's just like, you know It's just like a period where we switching, you know and humans You know from the history of time, you know have been eating meat. I mean if we weren't like Omni-wass we wouldn't have like these like, you know teeth like sharp teeth very sharp teeth. Don't point at your teeth Yeah, they're very blunt and flat and you have molars and you grind your jaw side to side for the chewing motion for like Grazing on plant products. You have the tiniest canines I've ever seen in my life Yeah, but I mean I have no claws you have no predatory instinct you see a rabbit that's hurt You don't try to chase and eat the rabbit raw. You're not a carnivore. You don't have any omnivorous instincts at all Well, I mean where do you buy me? I'm sorry. Where do you buy your meat from? At the shop at Tesco's sounds very carnivorous. Yeah, it sounds like a lion Well, you know, but let's so this is the environmental destruction we face This is the amount of water 660 gallons per hamburger. I think that's over a thousand litres So we've got the greenhouse gas emissions due to livestock. We've got up to 51 percent You can reduce your carbon footprint by 50 percent by eating a plant-based diet You said it's in there's no other choice than to eat meat. Have you ever met a vegan? Well, you're standing here, right? How do you know I'm a vegan? Well, I'm not like Sherlock Holmes, but you're like standing that meat like should be illegal like eating That should be illegal. So, you know Yeah, you know a BC, you know, you okay? Yeah, I'm a vegan, but you know just not eating meat It's not just the only part of veganism There's all other animal products that exploit and kill animals too, but you said there's no other choice So like I've been vegan for six years. Should I shouldn't I be dead? If they're you saying there's these essential iron found in meat that only can get from me and no other place I mean you're I mean you're a full-grown adult. So for you like Like iron is not like, you know essential, you know that much. I mean, it's so you're a full-grown adult I mean, I'm 20 years old. So, you know, I'm still you know like yeah 25 You know is you know is the age when it's like a fully grown But like for me after 25 you don't need iron. I Mean like you need iron, but you don't need like a lot of it like you know as for toddler for babies So, you know that need for iron, you know slows down a bit. Do you know much about nutrition or are you just making claims? I just want to know if you have any evidence to back up these nutrition claims I mean, I don't ask I said I don't have a paper, you know, you I mean you so we can't really accept your claim If it's just it's just basically what my claim is my you have no evidence. You're like here making, you know Your I mean You're giving me a loaded like questions So, you know, I'm just asking for evidence if you can cite some resource where you found out You don't need iron after 25 or that you know You can only get iron from meat and any of these sources will be fine You're saying if you're an infant she can't get iron from plants when I already cited the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics paper That said that a well-planned vegan diet can be healthy for all stages of life including infancy and you know all stages of life I mean, I would need like to read it, you know, but you know as for now, you know, I don't have you know Papers claiming, you know that what I'm saying is, you know factually true You don't have any evidence to back up your nutrition claims I mean, I will need to do some like research and find papers But you know right now if you find papers to oppose what I'm saying But you wouldn't look at the paper that I've just like I've just talked about the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics paper You wouldn't look at that. I mean I would need to see like a real Like people like right now you're showing me like, you know a thing without you know Yeah, there's no sources on this you're correct But if you go to the fax page the conspiracy fax page easy to look up all the sources are linked All the source scientific papers the UN statistics all of that is linked on this page So it's easy to just Google that and you'll come up with the fax page I mean, yeah, that's okay by now I still Like need to eat it and it's like pages of pages of pages of scientific data, you know And we just saw this fruit. So, you know Like some groups like Like take a scientific page and and then they like take out, you know like cherry pick science You say pick science. Okay, you know, this is backed by 117 studies the Academy of Nutrition That's a lot of studies that's peer reviewed as well by non-vegans. Yeah, that's fine But I still like need to look at and it's just like, you know, yeah, that's fine Yeah, of course, I agree you need you need to do your own research before you believe you You're not just gonna believe some guy on a street. Yeah, but I mean like for me, you know, it's like it's a choice You know, it is a choice. It's always murdering humans. Yeah Yeah, of course it's a choice. So it's kicking a dog. That's also a choice. Well, yes, it's choice But it's not a moral choice. Would you say right now you are trying like to get an Emotional response from me. No, I'm just saying it's every everything we do is a choice and emotional like Response like oh, oh, so you're like for like killing animals like Which you like to kill a human. No, it's an emotional logical extension of killing an animal killing an human say it's a it's a well, it's a It's an argument which provokes an emotional Response it should shouldn't it killing. No, it shouldn't be anything killings emotional Islands shouldn't really evoke an emotional response. We like we shouldn't look at emotions. We should look at logic Yeah, love science. Yeah science and right now you're trying like to right now like you're trying like to Provoke me so I'm not trying to provoke you at all I'm trying to find holes in your logic because you haven't produced any evidence for your nutrition claims and I'm asking I'm not a scientist, you know, I kind of like I'm making nutrition scientific claims without evidence So and like and you as well I'm making like claims. No, I would like to reach you paper is easily accessible for everyone That's fine. And I know and I will like read it, but you know you you are here, you know, you're emotionally Have you seen pigs get killed before? Yeah, I've seen pigs like killed before. Yeah, do you think this should be illegal or I? Mean like it's like I think it should be like Regulated more humanly not, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like she made murder. Is that we say yeah, of course Yeah, of course. Does that make sense to you she made murder. Yeah, of course I mean like humans have been eating me. You know for centuries Thousands probably milk it might be in the millions. I'm not sure but like scavenging and trying to survive eating what we can Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Do you think it's justified because we've been doing it for a long time? Yes, of course to justify it. So if we do anything for a long time, then that becomes justified It's part of nature. So are you gonna? Approach a line and tell him like he cannot like eat meat, you know Well, our lions don't have a moral culpability that we do. They don't have a an ethical framework They're in a survival situation. They're doing what they need to to survive, you know And they are like, you know, millions of opinions but like when it comes to like Morals, maybe your morals are like right for you. Do you think this is right or wrong? What like it this is right or wrong? I Mean, it's the meat industry, you know, I'm not like claiming, you know, it's morally like right Do you think they're suffering? Of course. They're suffering. Okay. Do you think that's right or wrong? for me For you only I think it's not like right how to kill them, you know, like which I'm like, but I'm for like humanely Like killing them like no suffering, you know, you know, just let them go, you know, easily Okay, is that where you get your meat from humanely slaughtered animals? I Mean It's mostly I mean humanely slaughtered animal meat is very expensive. What does that say? What does it look like humane slaughter? I mean, it's usually Electroshock, you know when they shock like the cow. Yeah, I've seen it. They've seen it pro, you know, you know, some like, you know Halal meat like the you know Yeah, yeah, they slit the throat and let the blood out So you think it's a humane to electrically shock someone and stab them in the throat drain them the blood and chop them up into Pieces for a product that we don't necessarily need That's a lot of question. It's a very loaded question. Yeah, I know but it's it's it's it's the only a way I can formulate it because we do not need it I'm living proof. I'm standing right in front of you. I just ran an ultra marathon last week That's fine. I should have died of iron deficiency by now That's fine. But like the thing is that you know as I said, you know, it's you know You know, I like I like I like to eat meat You know somebody else actually yeah, like maybe you like it. So that's justified then Yeah, yeah, it's just fine It's justified because you gain pleasure from an animal being killed or from I don't like I don't like get the pleasure from it I just liking his pleasure. Yeah, what like to like something is some form of pleasure. You're gaining from it No, that's another emotional like response. You're trying like to get out from me. Well, not well What do you mean? But what do you mean by like? I'm sorry. What do you mean by you like eating meat? I? Mean I like the taste of it. You like the taste so taste is a pleasure response Or it's a it's a sensory, you know sensory so it's sensory. Yeah, so sensory pleasure I mean like people like to smoke, you know, yeah, but there's no animal getting knifed in the throat for a cigarette. I Mean like I mean yes, but I mean like the isn't but an animal, you know, it's an animal You know, they don't you know as you told they don't have like a moral Like compass or like understanding of their likes rannings as we do you know So that means we can do what we want to them. I Mean not necessarily, you know, you think that should be protected animals I mean, of course, like they should be like in danger species like should be protected, you know But I mean like there's like millions of millions of pigs, you know, we're not like running out of them Why is it merely millions of pigs? That's okay. If you haven't looked into the meat industry because why is that? It's because they're breeding them into existence. Yeah, I'm sorry. They're breeding them aren't they they're breeding them for product exactly and You know and that's you know our and that's outside, you know, that's our you know I think it's immoral and it should be illegal. Well, that's your well protect them like we have We have laws protecting you cannot murder me. I've a law. There's laws protecting you from harming me Even if it gives you pleasure, okay I think that that should extend to animals as well extends to some animals if I went and killed a dog your dog I'd go to prison for animal cruelty. Why shouldn't that extend to a pig? I mean because a pig is It's used for me, you know, we don't eat dog I mean in like in some countries like China and Korea like the e-dog and and like for me, you know, I Don't like find it, you know Great, but I mean I mean, let's stick there. What do you mean great? You don't find it great What do you mean want to impose my morals onto them, you know onto who? Well on the people who eat dogs, you know, it's a like it's a like, you know moral show and stuff You know, so do you impose your moral framework on to people who abuse children? I'm sorry. You don't impose your moral framework on those who abuse children I'm trying to put your men's like I'm trying to apply your ethics into a different context to see if you're consistent across the Board here Do you have a double standard when it comes to child abuse or just when it comes to abusing pigs? I mean you are now Like a parent a pig and a child and those are and those are like two different things One is a human being who you know has like, you know, like a capability of Intelligence and stuff and the other one is pigs don't have capability for intelligence. I mean I Mean I mean trying to escape. I mean they haven't like invent. I mean it's and I mean it's an Instic They haven't like invented, you know rockets and stuff and have you invented a rocket? I mean no, I haven't but you know So I want to know why pigs aren't comparable in intelligence to a small toddler. I'm sorry Why isn't a pig comparable to intelligence to a small child toddler because a pig will never grow to a full Human being who's like able of like like making something in this world pigs like Will always be pigs pigs will always be pigs. Yeah That I'm saying why aren't they comparable in intelligence to a small toddler? You don't think they're comparable in intelligence. I told a is a bit smarter than you know at all. I like Okay, so do you think let me ask you this I know I'm asking you a lot of questions because I'm trying to like get you to realize something Do you think intelligence alone if you are less intelligent then we should take away your rights or treat you differently to someone who's more intelligent I Mean not necessarily When it comes to humans, you know, but you know an animal and a human is a different thing, you know why? Because you know why are we different? I'm sorry in what way are we different? Biologically, you know. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We look different. Yeah, we look different Okay, just because we look different than that justifies us doing what we want to others who look different I'm sorry because we are different. Yeah, we look different That's probably the only thing that you know, we're different species We you might be a little bit cognitively complex and a pig But uh, there's more cognitive. Okay, there are marginal humans aren't there? I'm sorry Do you know what a marginal human is? Let's just say a human that has a mental disability. Yeah, so had the mental capacity of a pig Yeah, do you think then it's morally justified to take their rights away and kill them because they have the mental capacity of a pig? I mean, it's a human. You know, it's not a pig. Okay So that's that's an arbitrary. That's an arbitrary difference. They're a human. They're a pig We can stab a pig pigs feels pain. They suffer their sentient like us. Yeah Well, I mean Well, they feel pain. I mean, yeah, they avoid pain. Yeah, we have that in common. Don't we? Yeah, of course It's our instincts, you know, like a survival instinct. Okay, so just based on the fact that they feel pain Why should we inflict pain on them for something? We don't need like a burger. I mean, we need the burger You need burgers. I mean, I don't like Like need them, you know, you know, do you need it more than they need their life? I'm sorry. Do you need a burger more than a pig needs their life or a cow needs their life? I mean once again, you know, it's a moral, you know I think like eating a burger or meat, you know, it's fine. You know, you know, I understand Like still think it's fine. Sorry. You still think this is fine. I Don't think that's a little I like fine You said it doesn't feel great before that's all I was now you before you said it doesn't feel great Now you're saying it's fine. I mean, I don't a lot. I don't like them like Being killed, you know. Yeah, that's what I bet you said it's fine. But you know I'm fine with them being like killed humanely for meat, but I mean Yeah, I mean the reason I'm I just don't know what humane killing looks like and you said a stunning in the back of the head I wouldn't want to be stunned in the back of the head I wouldn't say that's humane if we did that to anyone. I mean our humane like killing would be if we get no like Put poison, you know, like, you know, we execute, you know, okay criminals, you know, like with Like poison, you know, okay criminals who've done something wrong. I mean like Execution of humans. No, I don't find it, you know, morally like justified But you know, you know in like in America like they use like poison like to kill them You know humane without any pain like they don't feel nothing and like Is that moral then to take someone's if someone wants to live, right? Do you think it's humane to poison them if they don't feel anything if they want to live? You know, you're robbing someone of their life, aren't you? I mean a big I mean a pig's life is a very simple life while humans is very complicated Yeah, complicated not all humans. I'm sorry not all humans I mean a toddler's life isn't very complicated. They eat they run around they laugh Especially a three-year-old, you know pigs have been compared Scientifically to the intelligence level of a three-year-old child. Do you know that? No, I'm we need to see I we need to see like I said, which says so so right now I cannot the pigs can play video games. They can do many that can do they've got they rank higher in intelligence than dogs I would need like I would need to see Like the facts so like for now like like no comment Okay, well even if they didn't possess that type of intelligence if a human being didn't possess that type of intelligence You would still think it's wrong to kill a marginalized human because they lacked intelligence. Yeah. Yeah, you do I mean I wouldn't like Like for me like killing a human in general, it's just immoral, you know No matter if he's like a toddler if he's like, you know has you know No physical but like a mental like disability off or it's always a moral if it's human, of course Yeah, but why because we have a compassion for each other and and don't have compassion for their children. No, I? Mean like I don't know, you know, we need to see like studies, you know if they have like us like pigs like they grow like a children to you know a certain age and then like they Like let them go maybe I'll grant you the fact that you haven't looked into a lot of these things that I'm talking about But I have looked into these for many this these things for many many years I'm just trying to find out where your ethical compass is when it comes to you know dogs or human beings And I'm trying to see if you're consistent when it comes to these animals It seems like you have a double standard for cows pigs chickens and fish Then you do for toddlers or margin marginal humans marginal case humans like that with a you know low cognition It's always wrong to kill a human no matter what. Yes, okay I like to kill a human being like I'm opposed like of any of any killing. Do you think that's hypocritical? I'm sorry, you're opposed to human beings being harmed and killed and enslaved and murdered Yeah, but you're not opposed to other sentient beings who share the capacity to suffer to feel pain who value their lives those are my Morals and yeah, like for you. It could be like, you know, you know, I sound like a hip Like do you sound like a hip opinion to you for me? No, okay, because those are my morals and my Opinions so you don't have a double standard here Like for you it sounds like a double standard like for me, you know, I mean yes It's I mean it could be like like for you. It's a double standard, but like for me, you know It's just the way it is. Yeah, it's just the way it is, you know, so that's my opinion. Yeah, that's your opinion That's fun. I'm glad we had this discussion Yeah, have you thought about this more at this table than you've thought about this in your entire life? I'm sorry. Is this the the most you've thought about this topic before? Yeah, I mean I like I'm not like an activist for but like when comes these things so when you talk about Most of that 90 up to 91% of animal the the Amazon destruction is from animal agriculture growing Growing soybeans to feed to livestock and you know grass-fed cattle one to two acres of rainforest cleared every second If you don't give a shit about these other animals, right? Or you don't care about them enough to not stop eating their bodies Do you care about the planet enough that you live on? Yeah, of course, okay? Okay, I'm about fine I don't like Wanted like to be a wasteland of you know death and disease and destruction I want our plan like to have you know forests, you know mountains range, you know It's fine place for the generations to live on after us. Of course, of course So do you think it's a should be illegal to destroy our earth for a burger? I? mean I mean as I told you know right now, you know, it's the only way how we can get like meat You know, but you know if we like in the future like make you know like like I just asked you a question I'm sorry. I asked you a question. Do you think it's justified to destroy our earth for a burger? It's justified to feed our growing population That's the issue. Okay, because like if like if we really want to stop like all of this, you know Meat industry we need to reduce our you know, you know Like she like we need to reduce human population Because all these issues like our population, you know over these like issues, you know climate change, you know Agriculture, it's like this. It's too much of us Climate change very major contributed nearly half caused by livestock This is just on this statistical loan which you can verify on Cows percy fax page also like your claim is that You know when we when we have enough so let's just say there's 74 billion land animals on earth right now Okay, that we're growing to for meat. Yeah, okay And all those land animals have to consume water they have to consume grain that to consume food So we're growing more than enough food to feed this population of humans But there's ten like literally ten times more land animals that we're using for meat Okay, which is a bad use of our resources. So I don't technically think we're overpopulated We can the planet can sustain us humans for our need, but they can't sustain our greed for meat Yeah, but the finger said, you know, we have a limit that you know use of land and you know, most of our land You know like can't be used for agriculture, you know, it is it's being used most of our land Livestock covers 40 put for 45% of the earth's land most of our farmland is being used to grow Crops to feed two animals So we can eat steak That's fine, you know, hey lots more food than you do. Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course Yeah, so it's a bad use of our resources to funnel all of these all this water and land and I'm sorry But I need to go we have uni. Yeah, I'm sorry, but I mean at one way like we have a class. Okay Who's we you and your friends? Yeah, okay. What was your name again, brother? Hi. Nice talking to you. Yeah I appreciate it the chat. Hey, yeah, sorry about that. That's all right We left at the perfect time. Yeah resources check it up. Thanks, brother Really, oh really you should go vegan See people's faces like I Just see the the triggers in their mind like on their face because it's like I Don't know. It's just a very intense statement for someone Because they all eat it like if someone said that to me when I was eating meat It would trigger me a lot like I'd be like, what do you mean like you're trying to force your You know way of life on me or something like he's trying to take my right to eat meat away from me It's like no, I'm trying to give animals rights Everyone forgets the victim they just think me is not an animal that was a pretty good chat It was pretty frustrating though like he wouldn't follow the logic very well like I didn't feel no Like what I thought was actually quite crazy is he kept Separating meat and animals like it in his mind. I was watching him separate meat and animals like all throughout the conversation Like he wasn't connecting the two. It was really bizarre like How human beings have separated which is you know understandable? It's always separate from the animal like when they buy it like it never looks like the animal It's always completely processed or you know hacked up He had no emotional reaction to the slaughterhouse footage at all