 Steve I think Steve Steve you want to double-check your audio mate everyone on the chats just telling you that your beautiful fucking speech was just muted and all they could hear me is just mumbling in the background oh god thank you everyone thank you Belmont welcome back everybody today welcome in to the amazing wonderful trip down the nostalgia super highway we're starting off wonderfully hot here the engine is roaring the fires are burning they were ready to take a trip back in time to a simpler a simpler point in your life a simpler point would maybe the most important thing to you was composite video and matter of fact maybe it was so important to you that you forgot to unmute your microphone on your live show and that's that's a reality folks anyway please welcome in today if you haven't already and you're still here you didn't run away please hit the like button for us that's right I brought out the big guns today and I'm not talking about these guns no not these guns I'm talking about my lovely friend the amazing fabulous man from down under and over yonder couple ponds in between us couple thousand miles it doesn't matter we're here live what an introduction these are getting better every time every time I love it Steve flashing the dad bod there look there's a dad he's a dad with a bod that's it so good we've got composite that's what we're gonna be talking about today that was I wish I even understood all this stuff back when I was a kid with an original mega drive I know my Amiga plugged in with a scarf but I didn't know that that was better I knew there was a you know there's an RF and maybe the yellow cable but I didn't know anything about this stuff now we know Steve now we're enlightened well we hope to be enlightened right you've helped us see the light see the way praise let's go let's go let's go how's everybody doing today right you all survive everyone yeah doing awesome here thank you Belmont I see a lot of the usual folks welcome into a lovely Thursday edition of the bunker your favorite live CRT and pug and middle-aged man related show the many live streams in this category absolutely it's a busy category the sad point is is it took three months of hard work in minus 30 pounds to get this hot baby yeah so tell us Steve are you still doing DDP yoga what's the current schedule looking like yeah it was pretty fun I actually managed to you know I know over there you guys probably don't have any reason to celebrate Thanksgiving which is just a holiday here that is an eating fest sorry Cole an eating fest and so you just gorge out on a bunch of food usually but this year I kind of did better than I had in the past and I didn't actually you know I didn't actually pig out as bad even though I had to go to two meals like with different families and I actually managed to sneak off and do my yoga like four days out of the week when I was out of town so I was really happy about that and that's very good that's it yeah go mark right dad bod's for the win I can with your audio I can hear you've got the noise gate on but when you talk and the noise gates off I can hear we can hear some shh happening behind you does anyone in the chat hear that as well can you oh now it's better let's see oh now it's good I don't think there's yeah sorry let's go I don't think that I'm trying that's what I was trying to look at is if there was any issues it looks like it's everything's fine all right and now it's back again there's a hissing behind you oh well that's that's actually the boiler behind me that just kicked on that's the noise gate trying to kill the kill the kill through the noise gate so you'll have to wait a second sorry there is this is a real bunker there's a boiler yeah there's a serious boiler the boiler temporary or will it turn on a bunker noises it's all right there should be the orio settle down champ everything's all right gory gory all right just wait all right yeah you came for the video or the audio or not the audio anyway I'm just kidding there we go it'll fix hang on I'll just be quiet well then well it's just like the start of the episode now again so this is your theme for everything there so you've done well Steve you have kept on the schedule I'm a little bit off the wagon I've been to the gym a couple times I'm getting there but you are keeping it up and dude you're doing great like look at just those arms right I'm proud of those arms but Steve let's have look you brought it up it's not me it's you okay you brought it up because we can see that tattoo on your arm and have you ever told the story of that tattoo on the on the channel I don't even I haven't heard this story thanks for taking over there for a second there we go because the boilers just cut off yeah sorry about that usually the noise gate picks that up there might have been an update in something that is causing it not to be but I don't see anything else on so I just wanted to make sure your mic my mic audio oh there's a way to say yeah yeah we can hear the whole way the noise gates working it's just that when you do talk you could hear the behind you and then you stop talking and it goes silent okay okay there we go all right gory's happy we're good we're good now don't chase the subject Steve okay tattoos right tattoos we gotta get the story check people we got to get this story out of Steve stupid right stupid this is this is not even that cool but tattoos the independent logo right so when I was when I was in high school I thought I was gonna be a rebel and get like tattoos all over me or something there was this weird thought that I might all over my arms and maybe like something like that and then one of my buddies who's he's like the buddy that went off the wagon and wound up in jail sometimes it's a really bad story right but this guy was the guy who wound up like you know suburban kid worse than worse than any of us didn't grow up poor anything but he got like all these stupid tattoos on it we couldn't figure out anything that we wanted like tattoos so we just picked these stupid logos so I yeah I was like all right I'll start with this one because I like had a hat with that on it I was like oh I like that independent logo and then I get other things around it and blah blah blah all this get some anchors arrows I don't know and then my buddy yeah he's like starting to get stupid stuff like he got do you remember the band God smack did you ever hear that guy I remember the name I don't even they say like the song for like the scorpion king or so what was that like mummy the mummy too or something they were like singing it's up it's very like like you know yeah anyway they so this guy gets the huge God smack thing on his back the stupid and then his name was Dave so he got a the Detroit Tigers D which is just like a weird cursive D on his arm so he got even worse was the me and they're like I get it I remember going and we were all supposed to get tattoos out and we'd all turn 18 this summer and so I went and got this and oh my gosh this is a great story actually Lewis I forgot all about the rest of this story holy crap so I'm there and I'm like yeah probably I'm one of the last ones to turn 18 and that's what everybody was waiting on an August of the summer after we graduate so that's what everybody was waiting on was to try to get tattoos together and so I went in there and I talked to the guy and I said I want this on my arm he's no problem we put it on there again I hadn't had anything like this I want to say it take like two hours right and so I'm sitting there just getting it and this this is where the funny part is the guy who's doing it he's just sitting there doing the art and all of a sudden the guy who's like running the desk for the tattoo parlor comes in and he goes yeah man I got this dude out here he wants something weird on him and nobody else wants to do it you want to maybe talk to him and see if it's something you want to do it's the guy who's working on my arm is just working he's like yeah sure send him in so I'm sitting there in the chair getting you know this tattooed on and the guy comes in and he's this big like grizzly looking dude like a full beard and full head of hair is playing his 40s at the time and I mean I'm 18 and he's got like a full big flat or shirt on and stuff and he's like yeah man so what do you want and he's like hey dude so here's what I want man he's like I want a tattoo on my ass and he's serious and I'm just whoa where's this go my take up that I was like wait a second all of a sudden I'm not thinking about the pain of the needles shooting into my arm I'm interested in something else this is good some listen okay it was well okay yeah I've done that before and you know I'm comfortable with that that's not a problem real professional sounding right and still working and he goes all right yes so here's what I want man I want this big nasty ferocious grizzly bear tattooed right on my my left-ass cheek okay and he's like so I want this bear you know I want this bear to have like claws you know and it's like clawing into my cheek and it's like exposing blood and he said all right all right and he's like you know and then like my my hair will be like the bears hair like as my hair grows I'm like okay it's so good and then and then it's got to have a sign that says a little wooden sign and it says the cave and it's pointing towards my butthole he doesn't say butthole but he's like it was pointing right towards my you know hole and the guy is like okay and he's like all right all right and he's like anything else you want me to know about it and he's like no man I think that's it brother okay and he's like all right well yeah you know I'll give you some draw ups that I could do for you if you want like that he's like yeah be great you know yeah absolutely and so that's what he said he said I'll draw up a couple things and come back and we'll set it up you take a look at him see if they would and then he just finished up my tattoo and I left and that was and that was it and then here's the better part besides me and Dave the rest of our friends they wound up being big old fat you know chickens I guess and none of them other guys got tattoos they they did other goofy things I got big fat gauges in their ears and that was even funnier because they were all like again these are like the suburban whitest kids you know these guys so this tattoo is is great so this guy he wants a big bear yeah he wants it sorry I know there was a site it was a sign saying the cave or was it just pointing to his butthole what was the sign so yeah he's digging in glowing towards the cave right okay and then the K and then it's a sign under there that says the cave pointing to his butthole so you're like ah and I'm like who and I started thinking I was like who is this guy wanting to see this because he can't look at it so it must be for somebody else so it was one of those early exposures to interesting artwork was he respectfully was he a bear so to speak like that might have been his orientation no no I mean this I have no idea this was like you don't know this would have been tooth the year 2000 why no one was gay in the year 2000 yeah there was like what yeah like everybody that's what I'm saying everybody else was like hiding right in the year 2000 so it's probably it was more like that he look he gave off the very like macho like biker look or something I would say and our trucker or something of the 90s the hair thing is interesting because he wants the hair of his ass but wouldn't then you'd need to like not have any hair on the untattooed bit because otherwise it just be hair everywhere yeah that would have you ever gotten a tattoo no they have to shave whatever they're tattooing so yeah but it all grows back right so yeah so that's what I mean right who knows I didn't see the guys but I didn't and I thankfully he didn't ask to see it while I was in there and I didn't see the rest of it I just remembered for some reason that the amazing details of that story and it was it was one of those things where that's the only reason that that tattoo story is even funny really I love the title of this live stream I didn't see the guys but Steve yeah poor people who thought they were getting a look at some new retro tech right yeah but I promise I have some things here all right let's do it let's we got everyone in the chat what are we got 54 Steve that's I mean maybe we should just keep talking about hairy butts and tattoos as much as I'd love to talk about some hairy butt tattoos and continue on down that expertise let's look at this fine product first off and first of all I love you all for being here today thank you I know everybody's here I haven't done the shout outs today but it's okay I think we're gonna just pass on that since I've had so many bad mistakes with the microphone already let's just skip past that and have some fun now so if you're ready this is like 20 minutes in drop a like for us please and let's start here okay first off I want to say a special huge thank you to Kai tour industries Kyle because I was on the hunt to get somebody I found I found a printable shared file for this bracket and I had no I have a printer but it sucks so I could never print this and it would take me hours to calibrate it just to get it to try to do it and so I asked people out there if anybody would help out Kyle did and send me this this is a second sample I have two samples of them but I definitely you know after after he sent them I compensated him the price of him because I felt like he did such a good job and then so these are the brackets and basically anybody who sees this I'll kind of go into the details more with this specifically this is for the eight inch pvm no no no this is actually for what I have right here which is like the L series it's probably the L4 and L5 I don't have an L4 but I'm gonna show you the where this sits why it's important here when I open this monitor up here but this also may go and fit and be the same size for the 20 inch and I just haven't got a 20 inch here to test it on yet but I think they're the same I just hate to say so without you know doing it but there's a if you want to know more about this product there is a link to this product page in the description for the stream here you just click that little button it says expand and it'll show you two links this product and in our other product which is a composite video cable which we're gonna do some more with later on in the show I just wanted to start start with this bracket first all right I've got the page open here is all 30 bucks very very fair we can say that's a good quality thing from cured so that's cool yeah so let's open it up let's see where it is and then talk about why we need this they're breaking I assume yeah all plastic in the originals the problem major problem is that this plastic that was used originally just manages to break down it doesn't really matter sometimes you get a monitor that's never been opened and he literally open it and just the force of moving it causes these pieces to break there's always a break somewhere on it very rarely does it ever stay in one whole piece like that even if it's in good shape literally going in and just removing the deflection card sometimes can cause the thing to break now if you have any kind of issues like with this particular monitor had a ton of shipping damage and so this was just in a hundred pieces and thankfully the other thing was unfixable but I did have to have this bracket I wouldn't have been able to put this CRT back together so where did you get the file for it originally just found it online someone else had this problem made it made the file originally and that's where I put out the kind of bounty for help on Twitter asking a tweet with the damage for this so if you follow me on Twitter you can see all this on my timeline where I put out the tweet asking for somebody to help with the shared the shareable file and I talked to a couple people we even got a quote from PCB way to do it and they have 3D printing right yeah yeah but their quote was $160 so that was like that was good thanks for the quote and you can't off the street price we say in Australia right so that was kind of unreasonable so yeah that's kind of where all this started is he volunteered to do that and I'm gonna turn this monitor off there and you can see some lovely decals and there but I'll get that stuff out and okay so Steve's got that one out here when Steve gets back I wanted I want answers to the real questions like what the hell is that huge screwdriver you've got cheese that looks like something from the doctor's surgery like yeah I can't do that right like something that bear bloke for the tattoo might have been used on a Saturday night like this is I don't know this is the number two screw this thing this is one of my favorite new things because it's his number two somewhere there yeah and it's like probably from an automotive kit it's like ESD shield it's supposed to be I think and it's a it's just a lovely long sometimes you need a long screwdriver but you can sit back and comfortably get in here and you get under things it's really needed for some of the CRTs let me make sure I don't knock over my console because we will need that later right so Steve was explaining previously using the turbo graphics to test we're gonna be looking at the composite cables from retro from their tremendous yeah first impressions on those all right the back just the back of a professional monitor thing of beauty there you possibilities so this is plugs this one is actually the Japanese very well did you get one of those off is this one of the ones you got imported well this wasn't me who got it imported this was the client who got it imported and it's koala koas actually if this is the L series that has the card slots in the back I only have one of those I have the L 9 okay one the baby one but it does take the card so mostly I've got the 9 inch BVMs but I've got one 9 inch a PVM which takes the card but I don't need to buy an RGB card for it because I've already got other yep that one up there is what it will fit so okay we're gonna take the sides off here yeah and this isn't an issue with the the 9 inch for varieties this is just these two bigger oh okay the 14s and you and you think the 20s as well I think it'll fit I just have to confirm that with actually a real one so there's six here's something that I find interesting too about about people when when when they take these CRTs apart I'm always blown away how many people will take the rivets out of here or like these little black rivets and separate the shell metal from the black back plastic and that's that's not the right way to open it oh so you're supposed to take the whole back like the the metal and the plastic off as one piece yes you don't want to do that you don't want to ever take the separate the two it's just a pain and then you mess those things up pretty sure I'm guilty of that actually yeah good bit of knowledge dropped there so when we're taking the lid off the monitor we want to just take off the one Steve's doing and so you're gonna lift the metal and the plastic off in one go correct watch here we'll just so there's there's only two I believe but yeah there's only two back here on this on holding the input board to the back plastic I actually have to be careful it's a little I Jake in the chat here just saying a lot of some people in the chat here hey Jake I got race here god damn it Lucy I know I know Ariel aces been servicing CRT Daniels there as well got Belmont house absolutely our man helping us right it lives off so easy that's and then you don't have to mess with that and not right because if you take the plastic off it they're like it's a wobbly the metal and right and you can really break those little 30 year old who say 37 K I wish it was 30s could you imagine somebody's like 21,000 likes and the show's not even going I'm like what are you talking about where are we looking at where it has a K to the end of the alright okay this as you can see this has been fully serviced let me turn the lights on in here somebody turn the lights out on us there we go it's a little better it's very different let me go get actually a flashlight to add some light so I think when we're looking at the side of that monody can already kind of see where that bracket goes so it's holding on I think Steve said the deflection panel it's very interesting that this is needed and this is how they're able to keep such compact sizes and fits so much in but it's very crucial bracket yes this let's see here yeah in the chat Jake yeah buddy it's definitely not 37,000 likes one would like to hope like to think that I'll talk about bare tattoo butts is important conversation the society needs however might be 37 we made we may need to hire a couple hundred marketing firms to just be splashed in the the show like out to every person on planet Earth right now alright so this is the installed bracket here and it's been completely I mean it's been in here for probably a good week or so no issues didn't have anything it even has these nice things where it slipped over like it has to slip over that edge right there which you can't really see that well from the camera right there let me see if if this will help any well I'll expand this out talking in the chat to six vibe yeah buddy I'm not going back to Japan this year I should save my money to tell you the truth you know maybe my girlfriend and I gonna you know who knows maybe we're gonna make a family soon or something like that I can't be spending money every year on such a trip so I would I would I think maybe I think I'm good this year also my girlfriend wasn't very happy that I went over Christmas and New Year fair enough fair enough to so this year the kind of the deal was I would stay here not gonna go off for four weeks at a time and I think maybe the year after let's see how it goes I think I'm good I had a really good time I have four trips in a row so I think I'm I think I'm good for this year I'm gonna sit out the cold Arctic snow but let's go back to Steve here yeah so these brackets are so it's quite a base the printed someone's done such a good job of creating right in with so there and I should give him some better feedback on this stuff right because there's some things that were in the original design that's that's being printed that's not important at all there's this little piece right here that was just on the original that has it's like a hook in case you were to install a board behind it for maybe something maybe it's on a different monitor but not this one or the ones I've usually worked on so anyway the important thing on this side is there's only one single screw up here that this is holding into on the main frame so that worked nice and again it has this hook over here this hook over here and I was really blown away how that just fit perfectly considering he didn't have the actual monitor to test this right so he had to print it just send it to me and hope this would all fit right other things that like this is a ground label this is how this was originally hooked on here this ground just like run it's not anything around that it was just run that way so it's all like original like that now the imp the other thing is there's like a tab down here at the bottom and let me show that oh yeah on here and you can see a little bit better so this little tab right here where my thumb is that's to design to kind of safety hold the board on the front in there and then you actually have holes right here and right here right here right here and you can screw in then the corners on there for stabilization and holding that first main deflection card and then just to get a little bit more so that hole just I think you kind of set up but just to be sure that whole bracket is being held in with the clip those two clips and that one screw is holding the weight of that hole for the most part and then it's yeah it's the design of the bracket and then that's what's holding all the weight and it's such an odd angle right so thankfully I guess it was engineered correctly so it's gonna be harder to see this part because I can't get too close in there I guess but sorry behind there it's very important to there's actually a another board back in here that sits it's just got a couple of inductors on it I'm trying to get it move it just a little bit so there's that board right there and you can see it actually snaps in on the back with like these old clips these old plastic clips and and those go in to the same here well I could show you actually better on this so those go in right that bracket has holes right there okay so that bracket is designed to hold the board on either side essentially yeah it has to hold both sides of the board on there and then again yeah this is install what tremendous 3d printing like it's not a lot of weight but a bit of weight it's stable it's firm god I can imagine I can understand why we just you out of the box 3d printer you weren't able to come up with such a good print well yeah I didn't even bother because I was like that won't happen my because my printer is a Ender 3 or something pro and I can't print anything that big and make it work what what was your solution or what were you doing previously when you didn't have this bracket available replacement bracket you just have to try to make the one that was there work however possible whatever was left even if it's like just pieces you just be taping the darn thing together because it's like not even it's just such it's like brittle plastic it's nothing solid like this in quality after at the time of 20 years and I mean it's it's like the other side is the same plastic from it thankfully you don't have the same issues with that board that board has like metal and stabilized sorry knock this off it's pedestal obviously but that's pretty much the bracket here and again if anybody has this monitor for $30 now to be able to just get this and again guys I I want to make this very clear because I think there's a lot of people kind of talking about this sometimes and this goes without without being said a lot of times I would I do like product reviews like this I again I did ask commission him to do this and I'm giving you a review of what I think it is I think it's great but I compensated him for it and I always try to do that same thing with the composite cables we're talking about I buy them with my own money here so that I don't get free samples I've given you my honest opinion as someone who's paid for it I think a lot of times people don't understand that even getting like free stuff it's gonna kind of sway you job heck even like a discount might sway you to where you're looking for a reason that you know show off something good and you want to give back where a big portion of being a consumer is actually paying the price of it and I think also though if let's say this was a sub quality product first of all you've been involved in development so as you said there was a duration first one that came through wasn't good because you guys are working on it yeah so you know next generation so it's something you've worked on and so it's not sort of like I just bought it and I'm gonna slag it off like you worked with him on this to create you know make sure it is it is perfect fit right now well and he told me that he's already sent me another one that's been a little bit more modified so I think that I think the best thing the most important thing was was really a couple things that it not only holds but that it fits everything like if it has to fit everything correctly so that the shell is on their right it's all holding the monitor together correctly and that it's stabilizing itself like that so it's very important and I I mean I wasn't that's what I was waiting for us I can't believe it's got to be difficult to try to just do that and not even have an actual PVM just just go right and then see you because I was like well will it will it close all the way or will it have for some reason an extra like millimeter that's too long right and then it won't close or it will be off by a little bit not a problem not a single problem I think that goes back to the quality also as well as the great printing but also the clearly the quality of the original file I'm wondering how does that even get produced yeah is it a scan how does someone even go about making that 3d printable file in the place place do you have any idea yeah I'm sure that somebody did all that and that's what I was gonna say I that's kind of the reason I wanted to introduce it as a product and then I think I'm gonna do probably a video eventually on these of short video but in that video I want to credit give full credit to the person who actually went through and and just made the printable shareable file you know that you just find online the original one now that one did have to be altered but I didn't do any of that stuff like I said I don't know that's part of the lucky thing here now he told me a kite or tell me you had I think probably ten of these already ordered and that's without really much more than a tweet because that's really good and that's nice because look I mean no one's making like mega bucks off all this stuff right we got indie creators who are doing it to help each other awesome that he helped out you guys could work each other kite all gets a bit of work you know it gets a couple of bucks for his trouble now has a product on his store so I think it's nice this sounds like a community effort yeah I'm not coming in a bit too late shadow mask baby you've missed some stuff well you miss the whole bear butt story all right so yeah big big time fun this is all something that will keep going out another interesting thing is yeah you can tell see again it's these details that are great but see this this whole post the second screw hole isn't even used it was just on the original production and if you look at it here it's not actually in use so it's not necessary to have like the effort of having this portion be really I mean I don't know maybe it do you have a 20 L5 to check whether it's gonna be compatible with that as well that's what I'm waiting on it was a 20 L5 to come in the shop there's one sketch yeah it's pretty soon that's right big sexy Kevin Nash I heard those guys got no money for their merchandise sales so they poured it poor guys didn't even get a dollar when I bought this shirt probably like everyone's getting screwed by like all the deals all that what's this I was reading about that like the but the dudes in the boxing gets so much more than the MMA guys now because the MMA is all organized and it's everything right they take everything and don't when you start to organize your own stuff so yeah yeah the artists are at the bottom end of that shit he alright what I need to do here is I have I had to make a yoke adjustment on this thing I think I did that maybe on another live show and what I have to do is I need to put in a little bit of adhesive or something to just keep the yoke from moving now that I have it open and then I close it back up and put it back on the shelf for when it's gonna get picked up but yeah that's the first product folks how awesome is that thing do us a favor if you have it give us give us a like for the gun show still going on here maybe maybe if maybe if we get up high enough and likes I'll show you the bear I got tattooed on my ass just guys I'm liking I'm liking all right here come to see come to see his pvm fall off the table that's right that's right see you go boom so you're gonna do the yoke thing now I don't have to do any adjustment I've literally just have to apply a little just gotta glue it in yeah which I have there anyway here is there any way to give us a view of that because it's a top-down let's see if we can do something I will mark I will kind of offer that thing yeah if somebody wants to buy I'm trying to get him see I'm trying to have kaitor have more available for me at least to have a few I probably ought to just get a 10 pack of these things to keep them here and then if people want them because I think that they would unless yours is in perfect condition still which it does happen but it's literally probably one of ten is in like that if there's any break you might as well replace it because if it starts break in eventually the whole darn thing right I imagine it goes back I mean it works for you with your very gentle and you manage to fit it in place but then something in shipping just bumps at the wrong way and then yeah so just gonna use a little bit of this what so what do we got here this is just art this is just like some gasket maker stuff called our TV and I have to I have to penetrate it deep because it's been sitting baby it's stuck and I'll hide it's stuck in its heart and it's blue he's got big blue big blue big blue ones it looks just like yeah so okay so you need look like you need some more of that stuff mate you gotta go to the hardware store I know right look at this jiggle it's my emotion in the ocean this stuff may never come out of it I have to cut it open but I just need like a touch of it I don't even need that much it's not coming through there it's about what it's gonna do is that it's gonna explode out the side of this camera like it already did finally the cheap porno that everyone knew this livestream was the blue Steve's blue come yeah that's that's that's that what's his name Papa Smurf I actually dressed as a giant Papa Smurf for a Halloween party one year it was pretty demented and scary I had painted my face and like everything blue I had blue face I just canceled myself sorry to the blue faces out there Steve do you know your audio cuts out when you go too loud have you got like some limiter probably well yeah okay it's all good so so happens as you laugh and then we just see you go silent going all right so you're piercing this thing yeah now I got some of this goodness out and you're just gonna what dob it onto like yeah and then I'm gonna just toss this thing after that if I can get a good amount out of here it goes on the on to the let's see there we go get some can you angle the camera down so we could see yeah when I when I get over here I'll do that so here's here's over here right here's what I'm looking at it's just a little dab of blue like a little blue matchstick kind of and then let's go so let's go over here and just see oh here we go the flaw let's see if I go like over this side a little more you can see my laundry and my dance pants don't look at my leather pants up there okay those are my secret leather pants for what I like to do my Saturday night that's for when I do my rod steward sexy dance okay so type Steve puts them on for the DDP yoga just for some you know the authentic feeling for the discord man bod or dad bod and mom bod room alright so this is probably not something that let's let me oh we can kind of see right now we're really getting into it let me move these cables underneath it what a cluster all right so this all right we can see the yoke there show through that yeah closer oh yeah if you angle the camera down then beauty bonza might so this is going pretty much right under this stuff there's literally the you can't hear me I'm sure right yeah without we hear yeah yeah okay because I have my microphones way over there now we got you're good but you're a bit distant but we hear so okay you dabbing it in there very good yeah I'm just gonna use these try to get some of that right so you're going to sort of dab and put this stuff on and the idea is that this blue gunk is gonna set and that's what's gonna keep the yoke in place is that correct well it's just the convergence rings oh just the convergence rings right yeah that's just I've given a small layer over the convergence rings because I had to move one of them so that's the the that this stuff is often I've noticed usually white yeah I've opened up it's often white yeah it's oh yeah yeah down in there where it's white at the bottom of the screen see I put that blue line like right just see where it's right there look at this right down there where the cable bundle is you can see that little blue mass that's what needed to be done okay and that's the last thing for this it's always good to give it another test run it's very interesting with the convergence rings around the yoke that like there was there was never a how to say a more movable solution found it was always just glued them in place and that's just how it always was yeah man how did that happen it's funny all right there we go my yeah let me get the everything back over here there we go all right yeah yeah it's kind of interesting how they just didn't I don't know I know why because they didn't want anybody to go in and they didn't want them to ever move because then okay if they move and it's gonna complete it could completely screw up the image to where people think the TV is trash right if you don't know anything about a TV and you see misconvergence that bad where that thing moves makes a whole set look wrong then why are you even in the back of the television then oh by the way Kaito is here in the chat hey buddy yeah you we've just been talking talking about how good well-made how precise this bracket is it's really working very very well and credit to you my friend for the high quality of that print that it's really holding on by like one screw and two brackets yeah the whole thing is holding on really nicely yeah so absolutely right so what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna go back I'm gonna put that backing on here and you kind of see that and it'll show you how it just slips over that and it's not gonna doesn't interfere with anything talking smack that's right that's why yeah we got the the NWO is gonna knock you out spray paint spray paint black in W.O. all over your chest my remember being like eight and eighth grade or something that happened in back in the 90s Hulk I don't know that became a bad guy it was when Hulk became a bad guy come on NWO he came out like I think they beat up the macho man they beat up the macho man they were supposed to be tag teaming with him with against Kevin Nash or the old diesel and Razor Ramon they were like then they made the super three group the NWO and that's when he went from being the yellow eat your vitamins don't do drugs to the Hollywood Hogan who was like the bad guy so all right update your your profile at some stage sure where are we gonna get bad Steve I know yeah yeah yeah maybe hey Ariel let's think about some kind of NWO well let's rip off NWO right and get sued by WCW Ted Turner all right let's uh let I'm gonna put the back on here you could chat hey with the chat for a second let's hang out with the chat here so kaitos a two-piece print acetone bond which like what were the two pieces kaito of that that you said you bonded it so so so the two bits get printed separately and then you've got it what manually on them together okay is that how that would work yeah Steve's the villain all right you either live to be died there was it die or then find yourself to be the villain he's gonna become top of the CRT heap everyone's gonna love Steve and then he's gonna turn around and then he's gonna be like talking smack about Bob he's gonna be talking smack about everyone okay all right so bonded with acetone so that's how you can create those I know nothing about 3d printing so that's very interesting that that's how you would and so the original file would then have those two bits and that would be the intent of the original files to actually bond them together um kaito if you're in the chat again tell us about your choice of the material as I understand what the filament is that what it's called the stuff the material and was it an obvious choice that the original file say what sort of material that you might need kaito are you trying to post links buddy because they're not gonna work unfortunately are you are you a moderator are you me yeah in the chat yep I think you well you can post link if in the post links I just can't see them that oh okay yeah no kaito I think he wanted said like this I wasn't sure if he was trying to post something and it got blocked yeah wwf arc in the retro community is what we need definitely I can see yahel getting in on it he's gonna love it printed with ASA for heat tolerance reasons so first of all what's ASA that's a particular type that and heat tolerance so okay it gets pretty hot in the monitor did the original file say hey you got to print it with something or how did you know that heat would be an issue or you just use your own noggin to to realize that might be a thing yeah I realize is thanks buddy you can post the the link there okay PLA will melt sag in low heat situations like a PVM okay fair enough so I didn't know that so PLA the just wouldn't be even though it's not mega mega hot inside of a monitor there's still some heat going on there no months a great hype guy in terms of hype guys I mean he's guy solid himself but hey man yeah yeah all right we're back together right yeah everything's back went on really nice and smooth and you can see it just fits perfectly I did hear you say stuff about I could show you on the bracket you can see a little bit where the glue is okay cuz we I didn't forget to mention that it was actually glued as two pieces so it's glued right along here see that line oh okay so that long yeah okay that's the glue line and it's against it says three major posts glued together they're like reverse it's a very cool like design the way it's done because it is like a feat of engineering left funny enough I mean really it's not I imagine there's some skill as well when you're designing a 3d print to understand where is the strongest point to make the bond like I can see to me it's very obvious and very clever that those three long pieces make like three long bits that a lot of contact a lot of strength can be there I imagine you don't want like just some little chubby bit yeah yeah was your as your contact point no so even there there's some smarts that it's gone into designing that bracket and saying hey this is the bit we're gonna have the bond right so I'm gonna take and remove this and we're gonna I'm gonna move to a different set of CRTs here which I'm gonna set up for the composite video demonstration and I've got a couple consoles here but that that's the cut that's the first product so so it's great so in the chat we're getting a couple pictures of what we're seeing here our real aces has posted the picture from Kaitor showing how it he's clamping it all together to make sure it it bonds correctly awesome all right let me go set this up all right so you set up that one Ariel aces I think the messages one doesn't work I think that's a link to your internal chat but it is fascinating to see so how long does that have to stay like tied together like that or with those clamp together sorry is the word because this is very interesting because also this is giving us some insight as to why this thing costs 30 bucks and actually I'd say it's a pretty good deal considering I mean it's not just like set it press a button and off you go that there's actually they've had you that that Kaitors had to do multiple iterations think about the materials and then this bonding process certainly is not quick take some time we've got to have stuff like that so certainly a very fair price I mean if you're repairing one of these 14 L or something what are you talking about was that five six seven hundred for these monitors anyway like it sounds like something you should have so all right we got Steve there we got the white that's the white sony is that the power cable is like a curly pig's tail coming off the back there and is it kind of looks like it's not rusted is it no that's just I was just shadow at the back of that monitor there okay very good so we're going to see the turbo graphics and I'm still I think fascinated by turbo graphics because it was something you guys had in America had a Japan but never really was a thing in Australia we were too far away and too poor and it was sort of I guess never a big enough seller that I knew of the turbo graphics from the magazines that I was always reading and stealing from the news agent but I can't say I ever saw one in person think I even went to Japan the first time so who's if anyone's in the chat who's not American what were your experiences in the turbo graphics in your community in your your culture all right are you talking to me now are you talking to me now you talk talk to me don't you look at me we're just talking about graphics explaining that the turbo graphics is was just something not available in Australia what Kaito says seven-hour print yeah there you go so that's unbelievable one of those takes seven hours the print then there's the bonding time as well yeah so Jake is back talking about getting all the cool Japanese cars in the nice I guess that was it that the gray imports back when I was I would say in the mid 90s to the 2000s and all that doing a the gray import where you could sort of import your own Japanese car was quite a pretty popular thing I guess maybe we're a bit closer to Japan I don't know I guess even at the time when I was at university I had a Mazda 323 and I blew the engine on the first one not my fault in anyway whatsoever and we got a replacement engine that actually had been imported from Japan not the whole thing and it would have come out of the familiar which is the name of the 323 in Japan so and it was it was still worked out to be like cheaper it was cheaper and a higher quality motor to just get the the familiar slash 323 motor coming in from Japan so we all had our things overclock wise we were too poor for a SNES in the 90s my ferrets found a turbo graphics three from a friend from a friend that's nice and time is talking about half a day of work 30 bucks is certainly fair for what you're getting the quality is that certainly takes the time to put in right so in Australia Royce is saying we drive on the left hand side of the road hey delusional nice to see you again mate you're here all right we got that stuff set up hi MVV blog coming in from Pisa Italy nice brother hey so look MVV blog in Italy middle Europe what did you know about the turbo graphics back in the day because I was saying in Australia it wasn't sort of a thing we might have had those sweet Japanese cars but we certainly didn't have turbo graphics all right so we got it all right let's why you guys talk about that let me show you the next product here so sorry about all the delay on that because if uh if you've been waiting around for an hour now to see this maybe of course right what is every what does every person love composite baby these are and I don't have just one set of them I have three sets of them I don't know why I bought three I know I need at least two cause uh so this is this is the packaging I bought yeah so again I bought like we said a second ago I bought all these I bought three sets they had a um Black Friday sales the only thing I bought on Black Friday was three sets of these cables I got them shipped from Stone Age Gamer it was less than 50 bucks for the three for the three so they're uh cool packaging really like the packaging there um I got the same so is it arealases did arealases say that he designed that Steve shows off my design from I bet let's see awesome bro proudly designed at the USA very nice really cool so that is a standard uh Genesis two mini din right yeah nine pin there's nothing okay it's straight up standard yep so if we um just to give you like a good look at these cables actually maybe I'll pull this camera down and uh before you know that way and give you a closer look everybody can see them compared to the the old ones that I had been using which is let's face it man that that's one of the big problems is regular trash the original ones so as I yeah sorry guys I'm gonna fix the camera here for a second and then and while you're you're doing that actually another question for the chat something now you're reminding me a question I have when you look at an official Nintendo cable you know the multi outright you can easily look at it you can tell and also it says Nintendo on it and you can fairly easily determine whether you've got an official Nintendo cable or not none of the the Sega cables that I have have Sega written on them and I have some Genesis mini dins that I think I got them from a bin in Japan they seem reasonable they work reasonable but I've I'm trying to think I've never seen an analog cable that says Sega on it what's your experience with that Steve I I I can't think that I ever I don't think that I ever have or I'm aware of it I have like an RF box from Sega that said Sega on it yes yes yes true true true but I can't recall them like unfortunately I don't even have any of originals left anymore I just have these terrible things that always end up falling apart yeah it's like this is this is already taped all up because it's just like on the verge of falling apart it's generic and that's what I always hated was having to use these where they fray super easy super thin cables just no no quality to it at all it's always been something that's just completely overlooked but if we like an official how to how to work out that your your cables are the original one does anybody have any idea if there's okay as Jake mentions yes the power brick should have Sega of course the adapter says alright let's go over here and I'll show you I mean I mean let's say composite cables I don't think anyone was really rocking anything else back then but let's say composite cables with Sega but even going up to I would say a Saturn Dreamcast I don't think yeah I've got any of them that have Sega written on them maybe someone can can help us out in the chat sorry go ahead Steve yeah no these are uh so just sorry I'm I'm looking at the video for a second I know I've got it all in here for you guys and I'm gonna try to roll the camera yeah please there so whoops yeah there you go okay let me do that there we go so this is again the the new cables out of the box and first off look how cool is that there's a little his logo oh that's right in there yeah so this is nice to have this big kind of junction point high quality right here both sides have the logo then you're broken out into your three heavy duty cable it's 75 ohm I really like the end connection design which if we look at it here it's not just round it actually has something that you could grab like it's flat instead of just like continuously round actually like that design feature and gold nice yeah very solid very good looking cable here and again it's just right there mayonnaise mustard ketchup and then nice high quality I've never heard it refer to us that before mayonnaise mustard ketchup there you go a nice nice whoops nice nine pin right there then this is not gold this end is not but it's nice high quality and really sturdy got you the arrow on there which seems to be you may have to have that or you just plug oh yeah correctly all the time into whatever and that looks like a thing I mean that's a big cable if you compare this I mean it's not even like this is the original this is like all right let me let me show you maybe a better a better thing to compare this with would be this is obviously going to be a little thicker right here this is a higher thicker thickness but what we're looking at here is the full on you know HD retrovision oh right so this is the same cables thing but it's the HD retrovision so it's you know you can tell that's that's good it's not as thick but it's beefy it's as beefy as you're getting for I love that for the build quality here okay it's as beefy as you're getting it's almost there excellent I mean I would say you don't need any beefy right like what are you gonna do man what gauge wire do you truly need you're gonna start picking up before you start picking up stuff outside interference now I don't know that there's much let's see what else did I know there was something else I was going to show about the cable I guess we look at them so in the chat Ronnie is saying that Ronnie has looked for his he knows he has a Genesis compressor cable that he knows original that came with it and he says it doesn't say Sega on at all which is so interesting like they just never bothered put their own name on it while Nintendo of branding you know everything ever made by Nintendo has Nintendo written on it yeah and so here's the here's the big question is what I mean I have not found this to not work with any like it's worked with everything that I've been using I unfortunately I in my move I have no idea where I put all my adapters that I had for my HD retrovision cables because to be honest I don't see how I feel like it's all gonna work if it works now and if it worked with the original cable that you used it's going to work with this new one so unfortunately I couldn't find I wanted to find all that stuff I couldn't I know Kenny was at Kenny Lauderdale was asking about the Neo Geo I don't have um you could use it that's another thing I should have bought I should have bought uh one of the other cables which was the other style what are the cables what are the cables is he got well he's got a uh other it's not the mini den nine it's the other style for turbo graphics which is like a six pin or something or the um I think it's this that you normally use for oh okay was that does that one that you're going there does that also fit in Genesis one as well or are they different here's the deal right I've I was going to talk about this let's go ahead talk about it right now this yeah right here is the cleanest uh console that I can get for composite video like it is unbelievable the composite video I get out of this machine compared to any other console just the console but it isn't just because the console it's got the spark plug here which was from insurrection industries and I'm sure there's been other builds of this kind of a device here that plugs into the back and this cleans up the video immensely it also gives you RGB out of the back without modifying the console but it's got the nine den and it also just it it it sends out a cleaner composite video also through this so it's just sending out composite and RGB okay through that and there's no modification needed and then honestly plugging this into this I'm going to show you that in a second it gives me the cleanest this is the cleanest that I've been able to find to just generate an awesome composite video signal and also it can a super clean RGB signal that you could have used with the component cables from HD Retrovision and you can do some pretty amazing stuff in these old PVMs that I'll show you too today where it will automatically the the signal is clean enough out of this that it meets the standard for the PVM to run its chroma color calibration which is an auto calibration you don't do anything you just have to send in a good enough signal and I'll show you what a good signal is looks like first a bad signal which even even though this one has been modified this one's been modified with the RGB bypass this Genesis 2 it puts out a very nasty looking uh very nasty looking this is mk 1631 very nasty looking uh composite that it still puts out a nasty composite well it's not as good I don't know is it because that that bypass isn't doing anything to compensate is that it I just think it's the the video the composite videos always looked like trash kind of out of this particular one just that console sometimes yeah it just is one that's always kind of been like that but we I'll show them to you um but this is just the two consoles that I have that we're going to be shown off and then of course everybody we'd love to introduce you to our uh guests here in a second as soon as I get done connecting them you know and when you'll get going Steve I don't want to get too far ahead but can you also when you finally get there explain this mode of the pvm that needs a really good signal and it can run this auto calibration and some of your experiences that I guess you found a lot of signals don't work yeah yeah that's yeah that's going to be something that yeah don't worry we're going to get detailed in that part we've got it just first we're going to um i'm going to hook the signal up and then we're going to just look at it look at it and enjoy it and uh so if you have any requests for anything that's on the pc graphic pc engine graphics for a game from the chat right now if anybody has any requests of what they'd like to see in composite video please let me know and uh we can do that for you so anyway let me well we're on here and i'll go ahead and just adjust the cameras back to normal oh there we go good good good and then i'm gonna have to turn there we go the backside we'll start with the backside since we've been on we've been talking we've been on the topic of backsides all day right let's just remain on the backside here first so first off yeah um this is the crt that uh everybody always clamors it for seems like right one of them on the sony end for a consumer that's this little kv-9 pt-50 which is the white desk version or whatever it's a few white sonny so few yeah and it's uh it's going to it's just been in my collection forever i just bought it locally and then haven't done much with it it's uh it can be rgb modded which maybe five time i can do that someday and then i have a sony pvm 1351 which was the same pvm that was unboxed on the show on our live show on monday which was the last time we were all together here minus lewis and uh so yeah that was uh that was the first this was that monitor that i unboxed there and actually i went through yesterday and after the show and i fully uh fully restored it it's been fully restored and so it's it's ready to go live a lovely life all right so we're gonna do it somehow that you alternate like in one and then into the other well i will change it so what i've got set up though to start is i'm gonna have a video i have it on a loop um so that the composite will be fed in and we're not gonna start off that test i'm gonna just start everything and hopefully get everything set up all right oh well you gotta take the composite out of the pvm into the consumer that's just what it's that's what it's hooked up right now cool right so like if i turn this on let's hope i think it's coming on i can't tell right so we're using that pass-through feature that is a quality of a lot of professional monitors that they have an input than an output so you can run your signal into the professional monitor and then it's usually got an output often as well so you could like daisy chain them and get the same signal in multiple monitors so there we go we've got them we've got them both coming out now let's turn that off and um the cave splatter house okay air zonk i would do air zonk but that definitely uh will do some crazy strobing when it when it gets on the screen so we're gonna do um slaughter you do that i'll be back in a moment all right go for it so yeah i'm just again using the console i just showed you i've got hooked up here uh let's go we'll just let the splatter house run and see how that looks well maybe we will if i watch the right file i think i went to the wrong one there it is and the thing about this signal is is it's extremely bright bright like this television always is brighter but man just look at how like look at your screen how cool does that pvm look like it almost looks three-dimensional i can't believe how sharp that absolutely looks on the screen hmm so that's an a way the difference there see if i like crank the brightness all the way up i can get this closer the brightness is so high on that uh little tv and like you can the good thing about this is you know you can like really blast those color like if i want to change the color to make it match it's much easier with a composite video signal but i'm uh so this crt that you're looking at on the right and and honestly the one on the left they're pretty similar i mean i think this one probably has a 400 or 250 line tube and this one has a 450 line tube so uh but man i just love the way that the composite video looks on that let's let's see what happens if i go out to this camera that should look a little better you see that really look at that really almost looks like three-dimensional and you could take advantage and i'll show you this in a little bit with the other signals from the um sega genesis but you could take advantage of those tricks that people did with composite video on um on the uh waterfall effect for sonic do i think the retro take 4k will put a dent in crt prices i don't really know i'm wondering no no no no here's all right you can answer that i'm gonna i've got to fix the camera a little bit so tell me what you think about that okay i think we have multiple examples in the in the retro gaming community of a new version of a product that comes out it's high quality it's maybe even better quality than the original og product and it does not bring down the value it may it may stop things from rising and one of the best examples of this is the game cube composite no component cables that they're the ones that are 200 bucks per set of cable we've had high quality third party solutions from insurrection industries and a few other companies hdmi's for quite some time those things won't drop they have developed a certain level of collectability at some stage that they the price won't go down um would it stop the prices skyrocketing possibly but i'm not sure that those cables were ever going to go up beyond 200 bucks anyway because at the ultimately it's still a friggin cable um now crt's are not component cables i agree there's many many crt's around so was the question is then was the inability to display a good image on a flat paddle was that the reason why crt prices are going up i don't think so so is it because now we can display a very very similar reason is that the reason i don't think they're so connected like that what's your take yeah and i also think that there's going to be so many people that are going to want to have the reference point of a real crt always i'm absolutely absolutely blown away of the thoughts of uh some things i've seen recently uh first off this again there's going to become this big wave of things of um it it's going to depend on your 4k television right i mean if you don't have this perfect probably the one lg or two lg screens everybody goes for you're going to be looking at a crapshoot on that um you're one of those lg's worth i have no idea i don't know nowadays i'm sure it can be had for i can't imagine them being over 1500 dollars anymore i'm not positive that's just i have i guess though i mean let's say there's at least a thousand bucks conservatively at least a thousand just for the right just for the tv then 750 for the 4k it's great value but nevertheless still 750 so you got an entry point of close to two grand right and i don't think those are the kind of people that are going to be like selling off their pvm collection to get it if they want it they'll get it and then and then look i watched something really cool yesterday i'm sure some of you guys in the chat did from my life in gaming where cori reviewed this incredibly cool ben q 4k gaming specific low latency projector and this thing was awesome because what he could do is uh he had like a 90 inch screen in 16 by 9 mode right and was able to play modern games on that and then he's able to take it and stretch it down to where the screen is actually 4 by 3 when he keeps going on his projector like screen and then he just out zooms a 4 by 3 image and it fits perfectly in like a wall size 4 by 3 retro game that you could sit there and put these crt profiles from the retro take 4k you could go spend like that's way you'd have a little projector that you spent three thousand dollars just to get but you could have a wall of whatever you wanted on the screen i thought that just looked so incredible it was like oh man i'm almost like oh three grand that would be so fun but yeah that's so i think that there's always going to be people that want to have um a reference there to say well this is what it's mimicking uh i also do know that specifically if you go to somebody who's a new gamer like a kid that did not grow up around crts if they go and they just look at a picture that's a scaled up image of the crt even filtered like a crt i don't think that's going to make the same impact on them as if they walk into a room and they see this right because it's still it's a piece of hardware like you say you're still like you know all right go ahead i'll give you another another angle for this discussion why i think the crt filter and doing an amazing job at that isn't connected to the price of what the because the crt is more than the image and i'm going to use what i was telling you about steve what i'm obsessed with right now lego star wars all right i'm going through a phase right now i'm freaking obsessed with it i love it now i got this one on sale black sat friday it was 42 euros it's a very good price now you will notice that i haven't even opened it it's actually just sitting on my little table here and i'm looking at it i love this because i love the nostalgia when i look at this box when i look at the beautiful cardboard it hasn't been wrecked it's all in pretty good condition it just gives me these amazing waves of nostalgia i feel good when i look at it i don't even want to like i will make it eventually i will build it eventually but there's a certain joy for me for just having this box sitting there and looking at such a beautiful box maybe i couldn't even like as a kid you know we'd never much money so certainly was never able to have something like this so my point is the crt gives you that sense of nostalgia because it's not on 24 seven so you gotta have some other reason why i've just dropped 500 a thousand two grand or whatever or less although like it feels good to have that thing there and i don't think when we have another solution necessarily will replicate that yeah i think it's a great great example and people are bringing up some really good good cool stuff in the comments also that i'm reading through and so there's just thanks everybody always for putting in those great comments because you're all right kind of on the different things that make a crt different and it's funny you bring up the lego thing because i already got this out of my system because i had a son he's 12 now and like when he turned three to four and it was like maybe he won't choke to death if i watch him play with these legos and it was literally an excuse for me to go back and get all these legos just like you are you're having right there and make them and then it's like yeah and at the same time there's a cool thing about just having the box there and even going back and it's almost again it's like any of this stuff that we have on our shelves and so um yeah i really like to like some of these other things over clockwise it's almost like vinyl i happen to have i happen to have this right here as well oh my god it's another massive lego set that i happened to buy on black friday just saying yeah i just want to show it that's all so but there is that appeal of so that's like we uh people always used to you know they're they count um the nest professor on twitter or x completely showing always composite video stuff and he's like that's what i like that's what i love and that's great i think that that's exactly what keeps it's it's gonna it's gone like full force where some people it is all about just having um a look of composite video and then you also get still the great effects naturally that come with these screens of being able to process that old video really raw as it is without much need for anything else right you know that's the thing is it always has the ability to do that on its own so it's uh i feel like it's going to be a hard time for people to sit there they might think they're going to do it but i don't see a lot of people throw in their crt's out once they get this i don't see that really happening i don't know what are you guys going yeah retro tink 4k amazing products certainly like yeah it's an amazing amazing thing if i'm in that situation it emulates it makes it look really good um but yeah they're separate i just think that that place where it's coming from inside of you is separate they're they're not connected because the original hypothesis will it bring down crt prices no and what it might actually do is what it's probably going to do is this it's maybe where uh the prices that go up are on the smaller units because then it becomes having a 13 like this having this as set up along with that giant tv uh of how you want it i feel like these are going to become you know a restored good working solid one of this size is going to be always a desirable thing to a collector it's not too hard to move this big one even it's only like under 40 pounds so this reminds me actually another analogy of how they're similar but different i was been testing a lot of light guns i love light guns too and i wanted to find out the best way to play house of the dead on a like not crt on a flat panel and i tried the we i tried the ps move on the ps3 and i like the we like the ps3 and then you always get the people like good start up crt it's not the original you get like that dickhead roger always has to climb in and say how good his crt light gun is he's like i'd never play a we because it's just not the same you know and the conclusion that i came to is that they're they're really different experiences if you're using a light gun on a crt what are you got 14 inch 20 inch maybe you know 27 inch crt right that's a certain experience to have with your crt light gun but if i can get the we or i can get the ps3 ps move and i can play that on some friggin huge OLED screen and i can stand in front of that massive tv it's giving viscerally giving me this different experience to what i can get in front of the crt so i came to the conclusion i like them both and i like them in different ways like i i love to have an you know i've got these big light guns that you hold like this standing in front of a big screen really makes me feel like i'm at some 90s arcade where then i can go fire up the bvm user crt and it's very super accurate bam bam bam and i think that might be another analogy for how we might like to keep out crt's but then also view content on a retro tank on a massive OLED yeah great points there where you're going to get um you do get a different experience and even though it's doing the same thing at the end of the day it is a different it is a different experience and it's going to come down again what people really love because if people if people only cared about size on crt's they'd only be going for the big ones they wouldn't care about the small ones at the it's it's there's always something there's always um i will admit i mean that's one of the first things i said to roger i was like i literally you should you should say i said i'm a dm i said thanks for thanks for putting me out of business asshole with that retro take review i literally that's what i said i said that was such a good move that was such a good video you you dickhead that i i want to thank you for putting me out of business and i just said no i'm just giving you shit but it's an awesome product that's an amazing thing that i can't like it's far it's you know here's the thing people tech the tech world on new devices hardware is stagnant right stagnant like what every time there's a new cell phone it really doesn't it's not like it's big leaps and bounds most people are complaining about what they took off now and if you uh if you think about it this is one of the only spheres where you're actually getting amazing advancements in products it's so unbelievable to think that that's what's happening and um you know we can uh we can talk about that a little bit more but yeah that's that's kind of like blown me away is how how much has come kind of from just my chi and his work starting from something and it's not even his main job and um i don't know you know i was i was kind of i put out a tweet today joking and this was a joke about and it is this is the truth in in the retro sphere drama starts in these supposedly private discord rooms and then spoils over it just gets leaked out into twitter and uh and then it's like well and then you're trying to like what the hell is even going on here but i only bring that up as one point to make on it and it's the genius behind the marketing of my chi with his product it's all been based on sending actual units to people in the community no money wasted on marketing plans marketing firms marketing analysis it's grassroots everything all the way and it is like and it's coming out and it's like showing that all this work from everybody and all this testing is going to be um has done wonderful i mean right he hasn't done a single bit of marketing he's invested money into and it's it's like everybody knows about this product and is ready for it and it's just going to be coming out it's going to be so successful and i hate to go i'm sorry to ramble about it for so long no it's good i wouldn't even wonder what let's say my chi wanted to do marketing what even marketing would he do google ads hey he ought to just say he's a marketing genius by it's literally grassroots marketing it's it is genius we need a billboard a huge billboard there's people who waste i mean we've seen it we've seen it that's what i think like if i was a good documentary maker i'd be interviewing and maybe that's the only documentary i'll make in the next five years and call it like scalar wars and it'll just be the ridiculous story behind these two scalers that are coming out right now and again the difference in the marketing and everything and and i was like i don't even want to inject any personal opinion into it i literally think maybe if i'm lucky i get i know i get interviews with everybody just have them put it in there and just let the let the world see kind of a decide on their own but that's not my stuff the scalar wars hasn't come to the end yet i know that well that's but see that's the thing is you're you're already ahead of the game if you're researching while it's happening right okay and then at the end of the game you're like holy crap look i have literally three and a half hour documentary youtube manifesto the best part would be though if you made the three and a half hour documentary and then it had really shitty quality because i'll start it by filming it on those vhs tapes and then like yeah and then i can't figure out which way to get it uploaded i'll just use the i here's what i do i would do i would break down and just use this and make it like stretched out just the 2k the 2x just go from composite straight into the capture card for hdmi but yeah i don't um sorry we kind of jumped off the project here of the composite cable so we'll jump back to that we got but we did yeah it's a good thing to talk about and i feel like there's going to be so much more it's the hot it's the hot subject if i would have been smart and if i am smart maybe i'll just call this the retro tank destroys the retro tank versus crt stream and i'll just keep doing that till the algorithm is done with the retro tank videos and content that's we'll just call it so so we've got these beautiful cables here so it's looking good right so um yeah just to give you that's that's the way i can get the cleanest and you know if i do a full video on this i'd like to scope put this on the oscilloscope and kind of compare from a scope perspective but i don't have all that hooked up today so yeah i'm just running this through here um now what was that what was that auto yeah that's what i'm right let's get into that so to get into that now uh let's see about whoops i hope i didn't i just hit my keyboard i didn't do anything i don't think bam steve's def again or microphones off okay so if we go to tools but run the 240p test suite on here and composite video okay and if we pull up our test patterns now to do this test you must have a pvm that has the service menu let's see and i'm actually going to switch over here and concentrate more on our lovely pvm and i need to pull up our sm and this is what it tells you in the manual is to pull up this color bar pattern okay and it's on 100 brightness and if this and when i change this you'll see after um i change over to a different generator of this but it's just got to have this color pattern on it and then if i go over here to menu let me actually kind of yeah let me let me do this let me do this i'm gonna go over here i'm gonna take it off so you can see it better okay i'm gonna go to menu and it's this chroma setup okay and then you hit enter on but to do it you hit auto adjust let's jump it around a little bit not on the screen good so it's saying there's no signal right now you have to see select bars signal set dentate position which just means the chroma and the phase need to be set at the no 12 right yeah center position which is 12 o'clock so what that's what it's going to say but if i go back over here it says um let me see if i could turn that down okay it says auto adjust ntsc you can make out a little bit there yeah and put and that's what you have to do is you have to have a good signal of this so let me turn that back up and all you do to do this is hit enter and turn the contrast down actually in the brightness down a little bit on there so you'd see better oh yeah that's good okay so so we should i should hit enter on here and it's gonna say start all you do is run that you hit enter and it says progress and the colors will slowly shift and then if it works it says completed okay now when you go out of here it says chroma setup auto that's when it's not on that's when it's auto set so that's auto calibrated the color for the composite video input according to that color bar and according to the monitor's plan it see if you turn it off then it's just like that but if you let it color balance it actually looks better it's hard to see the exact colors on that screen but that's what it does and you can run that if you can get that good signal like that uh if you get that good clean signal you can do that on any input that can take that okay so i can't get s video out of this right now but if i could get a good either composite to s video just uh splitter or something i could eventually do that with this setup too which i need to expand to i think that was one of the things i had mentioned in our private discord chat was looking for a something that broke down rgb um or component and spit out everything else like s video cleanly and composite video that was to run this test right so that i could send in rgb with a skirt cable from this console and run these tests and it it does it like that because if you think about it you don't do this with rgb you just take the raw color but this is the the color filtration on the right so this step is only relevant to uh composite or uh s video and and component that's the good thing about using component video on your pvm is you can use this color that's what we'll do on the component input right after this too is uh so let me show you that here and it's not because rgb encodes the color in a completely separate way and you just sort of sending in the raw three colors and sink that yeah it can't do this calibration in the same way well the the rgb yeah there is no like color filter on it okay whereas composite has the chroma and phase color filters kind of on it just like it does for everything else right that's so i know that so if i'm looking at my bvm when i'm using rgb chroma and phase don't do nothing right nothing because they're not relevant for that uh signal time yeah it's bypassing all that for rgb and just going straight in whatever you're sending so that's the composite video and again these cables work you just saw me run that with these cables and that's all good it's part of the signal and it's it's helping make that a really clean composite video signal and if i switch over and i'll just leave this all together and um try to get some more b and c adapters so i can hook this one up okay so we got the hd retrovisions there which are coming into components so now we're going to try this same procedure over the component inputs instead so yeah it is Kenny it is very interesting that uh this set of color bars is a standard format i imagined yes originally back in the day uh there was no 240p test suite back then so it would have been some sort of external signal generator that they would have to hook up to do that but i guess it was producing that particular image so it works here too um yeah that's a good way again in the chat so going from rgb or component down to s video and composite i'm trying to think god i get so confused by these some things i can go the other direction i've got this old sonny box that will let you stick in composite and we'll convert that to rgb it doesn't upscale it but it'll just like convert it to an equivalent signal quality um but going in the other direction i've got some good extra unboxers that will go between composite and s video and back again in a high quality manner all right so there we go so again i'm running it now i've just removed the uh just the composite video cable and switched over to the component and then the rgb or the monitors in component mode so if i go down here again and run that same favorite game favorite game yeah it is the only game right okay so we should be able to do exactly the same procedure here where i go menu i go chroma set up i go see and this is off so you can see that's what it looks like without it being turned on um let me go back over here to this one so you say it's off well i guess we can't really see that through the camera right it's hard it's hard to see the difference because the camera is not going to show you the real color on your screen it's not going to look perfect so it looks fine but if i if i like when it's on it's there's definitely a more vibrant look to it so but but again it's the same kind of thing same as i think signal now it's telling me it's component video so it'll tell you what it is and see that was so clean it went through it and it did it immediately like it said completed and what we'll do is um see progress completed it's so clean it just kicked it so that's rgb component straight to a good uh a good rgb source straight to good component video and what i can do now though is let's hook it up to something that's not so pretty and that would be the uh other console the there you go the oh the genesis 2 right so that's going to take a second so now we're going to see the second genesis 2 that has suboptimal low power composite output yeah and i believe what we're going to see is that the tv is not like this and not going to be out through the auto calibration it probably wouldn't even i don't know it has been rgb modded with the triple bypass and i still don't know if the signal is clean enough out of that to do the component video cable um auto color cool let's try we'll try both of them since i already have that out and then i just need to get the power supply switch over the console and we'll just see but yeah before i think somebody was asking before this you would have used one of these boxes you know that look like these equipment that's that's literally just a signal generator right it could have been it would look like an extra in box right and it would say signal patterns and you just push buttons it would pull the pattern like that up and that's supposed to be calibrated that machine to set out a standard that will be good enough for the monitor the crazy thing is is that like again a lot of consoles aren't going to be able to do that i have been able to do it also with my like cleanest one chip s and e s sometimes so that's another one the cleanest like one chip modded everything's fixed on it if people are looking for more information on the signal generators really cool small youtube channel i think it's matt's tv bar it's his english bloke and he collects old signal generators and he rebuilds them and he does all sorts of crazy stuff but he's got a i'm trying to get him on the show he was sort of a bit busy for a few months but we're still trying to get him on he'd have a good old nada about because he's got an ntsc a pal he's got a c cam signal generator i think these are phillips ones and yeah they're basically like one u rack mount things that go yo that would fit into a standard rack mount and don't do much but produce perfect signals for a few test images yeah all right so this is sorry this is the composite or this is hd retrovision this is the hd retrovision because i'm still in component uh video so we're gonna start with that and then we'll which this is gonna look good this looks i mean this may work oops sorry this may work because it's it looks to my eyes just as good as the last one pretty much um so let's go whoops it's the wrong color bars we're gonna do that all right we got them all right so let's try it again same thing this may work let's see component yep uh again okay super clean on that worked excellent so let's try now let's go out and we'll try the same no that's rgb sorry let's go back out here and we'll try the same test i just have to switch it back over to composite composite with composite composite switch it over to that to this old genesis two and so this is still gonna have the quality composite cables maybe you could let's see how this goes because i imagine that you could force it with some terrible if you use those terrible genesis two cables that would also contribute to getting a bad signal i must have put the wrong yeah i put the audio cable in there we got a professional here ladies and gentlemen real professional put the audio cable in there compost all right so yeah oh yeah you could see like a nice rainbowing it really dims the picture a little bit too we could see this you can tell this already that it's whoops it's dimmed the picture a lot and let's go ahead should just be able to run that look at that oh i can see from here that looks like dog shit there's no way this is gonna work so there's the same same color of our pattern uh and if again we go in here do the same tests come on baby now it should start going all wacky on the screen give us a like baby i see the hearts flying give us a like let's do it all right progress progress it's taking a long time at least right oh it's changing like it's changing brightness it's hard to see on your camera but it's gonna say oh what hey but it's much longer all right wait wait a second let's try with the crappy that's what exactly what i was about to say all right because i don't i didn't think that this was gonna like happen i didn't if i hope i hope it is the cables and in this and i hope it fails miserably when i change these cables because then i will absolutely love to say that for uh for Todd and to have that be a reason oh yeah that would be good that would be a good good test or if this works these be talking out of his ass for the last 90 minutes so well that's always the case really absolutely all right all right let's try it again nothing else has changed except the cable crap crappy cables here all right we're gonna go back yes see all let's see if it does it uh i have been talking in my ass this this monitor is so good this monitor is so good that see all right here's what i'm gonna do i'm gonna power cycle it we're gonna see i don't see how that went that fast i don't see how great the signal even how can we make this signal even shittier put some magnets on the cable or something all right cool so there's all right oh that looks good that looks like it needs to be adjusted let's see all right let's see let's try it again come on that's funny that's funny that's too funny so yeah i mean obviously we got this thing and we're just being able to do whatever we want to with it oh that's fun well there's definitely no quality loss i i i mean i'm seeing the crazy thing is i'm seeing like a little bit of snow from these cables are so bad um but it's still the monitor i don't understand it i don't know like i've that's crazy to me because most of the time it will just tell me failed or abort it says abort down there like if what if i put in the wrong let's let's try the let's try to put in a man that's so snowy let's try to put in a different uh pattern and see what happens okay sure oh yeah because we want to make it fail right yeah let's try something that's close i mean surely it won't say it passes the pluge test oh god oh here we go all right let's go let's i mean i don't know right i don't let's this let's see this certainly won't work i'm dying what are you doing it's looking for a while i mean it's looking i cannot believe that he's not a crazy man yeah i've never been happier in my life to see an error screen see folks now oh now we've demonstrated the error okay so let's uh let's go back to those good cables for a second and see if we notice and i'm just gonna swap them out and we'll see what it looks like if it looks any different what you just saw this is why you lasted more than a hundred minutes in this tree thank you very much everyone for sticking for it we got the good stuff still looks the same just about okay and we'll gosh at the let's do it now it's oh there you go so yeah that's that's that's that's it that's it so there we go that that's like the big secret thing though is uh running that color and it does really make a difference on your color and you know you don't have to worry about it on those other ones that um i suggest if you don't want to get in there and try to do the crazy hours of color calibration with your color with your monkey so you want to get it there become best friends with Keith Rainey and yeah probes on this tree which is absolutely awesome which we need to do like a color class and color live show sometime but uh yeah if you want to just get away with like getting there cheaply and if you get that signal there and it accepts it like that then you're doing pretty good so good job i can't believe that other cable did it that was funny i can't believe we got it all i thought the signal was junk anyway oh let's look at uh there's really one important thing that we can we can look at while we're closing out here so Todd's rich so that Todd Todd's rich the the these Todd's cables are great you got him from stone age gamer yeah so you got three for 50 that's great right and actually here's the deal i'm not sure what i'm going to do this but you guys go over there and start following me on twitter because i'm going to give one of these cable sets away to somebody i don't need three of them so um i'm not announced it or anything yet and i don't know when i will but i will i'll probably do a video on it and then do a a tweet where i give away one of the sets again it'll be brand new um in the package and everything so go follow me on twitter now to get like early head start on on that uh because i'll do that and then i'm going to buy one of the other ones because i'm sure i can use it okay so he's got different ones has he well just the other one and i and let's face it we need to convince him to make the nes multi out one too because i mean i'd rather i'd love to have a full on yeah thank you belmont belmont's posted a link to twitter anybody there uh but so a few people in the chat first of all runny uh do pvms and bvms do this like you said with the menu option uh if there's a you got so what you do is you go in and if the pvm or bvm has the if you go in and you just hit it on the menu it's like the first thing that pops up set up i'm not sure about bvms always having it right there like that but that's the one and then obviously for you guys who don't know some of them many of these monitors have color temperatures so there's usually two or three of these which is 65 and then the cooler blue 9300 k and so there is a color difference there where you're getting more blue and less red whichever one you prefer so what i really want to show here is our water effect right isn't that what everybody loves look at the water real sonic composite waterfalls and i really do like the way this lower line count this is a 450 line monitor it doesn't you know i think the composite kind of looks good on it with this less line count i should not have gotten i think this this uh bvm doesn't have no at least maybe i can't find it but it's certainly not in the top level yeah it if it's in there uh i'm not familiar with it off top of my head i guess i'll just remind me again steve there it is what's up with one see i'll this one here this is the menu of my bvm and i've got an option for maintenance but maintenance is blued out and i can't get to it it's because maybe you're like in a locked up mode can you not hit enter on it at all no no it just goes by it uh okay oh it goes by it okay yeah there might be some kind of lock on it go yeah you should be able to go in there and then put in a password well i've got another password yeah i think that's the only way you can get into that but you should be able to get into maintenance a little bit and all right let's see what let's see what he's up to he's over there trying to put it in so that's it that's the beautiful effect yeah that's i can't remember what the password is for him it's like either ones or nines or something yeah all right man we've been two hours today thank you everybody for hanging out with us and reviewing these awesome new products for about an hour each that's pretty cool weird nice good to catch up a little while so thanks everyone for hanging out with us here one one one i should try one one one says right yeah i'll try that i'll try him out later on cool so yeah our composite looks great so thanks steve yeah you know what you're gonna stream next you got some i try so yeah the shows because try we'll try monday hopefully be back same time same bat channel same bat time same thursday next week hopefully everything goes the same nice nice and then um we're getting close then well i know we're all supposed to be doing a special stream a week from tomorrow i think with roger you're gonna have to be up at like five a.m it's gonna be great right but yeah we're doing a big charity stream with right right so definitely keep on the eyes out for that and uh yeah it's been awesome having you back here we haven't had a freaking podcast in so long and it's okay yeah i love it we're talking podcast stream whatever like more chat and stuff so anyway yeah thank you everyone for for joining along thank you very much for uh for for joining and i really appreciate you guys all taking some time out of the day to listen with us absolutely thank you everybody we appreciate it appreciate everybody in the chat always having fun and guys uh we will i'll see you monday back here in the bunker and then i have been working on a video i don't think i'm gonna bring it out till next friday though i'll i'll finish it up make it nice i'll include some stuff like today and so that'll be out next friday so anyway you guys have a wonderful weekend you too zes i'll talk to you soon