 I'm sure. Hello everyone. Welcome to day five of the Open Education Global 2021 online conference. It's been a fantastic week and I'm Paul Stacey, Executive Director of Open Education Global. I just want to thank everyone that has participated in this conference for helping make it fantastic. And we have a number of people with us today who have been integral to the entire event. And we thought we would share some of the insights and observations that we've had over this past week about what's taken place during this conference. Talk about some of the bridging activities that will move forward into the next year conference in Nantes, France. And conclude, actually, with our hosts, Colin and Melanie, who are here with us, with a little description of what will take place in Nantes. But why don't I, I'm kind of going to act as chair. I'll turn now the floor over to Colin and Igor to share with you some of their experiences and takeaways from this week. Okay. So I've got a microphone. So hello, everybody. Some of you I have seen in occasional places left, right and center. Actually, I did spend a lot of time on the French and Spanish rooms. And so I might have missed some of the people in the English room. So let's tell a little bit more about that in a minute. So first of all, yes, thank you to a number of people. So thank you for people in Nantes who have done a huge job towards organizing this. I'm really thinking in terms of Melanie who's going to be speaking a bit later. I mean, she's been extremely active in helping us organize this. Also would like to excuse Madame Karim Bernaud, the president of the university. So although this is a very important event for us, I mean, the things of moving very fast in Nantes because we're trying to sort of promote so hard open education that we are getting enormous amount of people from the ministry asking us to do things about it. So she was very busy. I really hope that when we do have the meeting and not in a few months time, she will be with us and be able to tell us why it is so important for our unit question. So thank you also for UNESCO, for the patronage. So this was non-trivial. It made it a little bit more complicated to organize in a certain number of ways because it was a huge honor to actually have the flag of the UNESCO with us during the whole conference. It's a huge responsibility too because it's not just like having the logo of just any old company or organization. There's a large responsibility with it. I hope we've lived up to it. And they have lived up also to our expectancies. And thank you specifically for Zenev Veroglu from the UNESCO who put up this webinar we had on day one on Monday. You may have been there and we had this simultaneous translation in three or four languages, which made it very strange to follow and move from one language to another. It was the first example of a multilingualism where we were really switching from one language to another. That was great. Also members, specific members of the advisory board of what is called the Dynamic Coalition with which we hope to be able to work in the next few months, where with us during the whole conference. So thank you for the involvement in the number of sessions. The two program chairs, William Holmes and Davor Orly, this wonderful program. So I think well thanks to them because if we all enjoyed ourselves, all found they were really exciting papers. It is because they sent out a huge amount of big mails all over the place to actually make sure everybody was in the right place in the right time. That was great. Remember also that not only there were the sessions in the webinars, but there were also the interactive utilities, plus all the prerecorded talks. So that was important also. Other people who contributed extremely hard to the conference, the session chairs who were all given instructions and I was amazed that they actually understood what they had to do because I got lost even if I'm part of those who tried to actually write out bits of what they were supposed to do. The reporters also have started their work. We will be talking about them later. They are of very, very big importance for the future. It's their role to make sure that all these important findings that have been identified during these five days actually get reported and are the starting point for the next conference. So thanks to them. Okay, so that's my thank yous and perhaps just a couple of reflections about what could be the strong points. I mean it's very unfair because I've got a very biased view. I mean I certainly had some strong views before the conference and they're even stronger after the conference and then I only saw part of the talks. So perhaps I'm going to have missed something really essential, but that's where a team, so all these things will come in. Anyhow the first and most important thing to say in my view is that multilingualism works. It was fascinating to go to the French sessions, to the English sessions, to also speak to the person organizing the session in Arabic and I'm sure that the same things were said in the Chinese session. People all started their talks by saying, wow, going to an international conference and being able to speak my own language. What a pleasure. So the first thing, it was the pleasure of the speakers to be able to express themselves in their own language. I think this was something important. Second important thing was that people talked about the same things, but in a very different way. So I'm lucky enough to actually get along with some of those languages. I was fascinating to see that basically we were having very different conferences. So the Spanish had a very strange point of view about certain topics. The French would be talking about the same topics, but the whole culture, the whole history of the countries would reflect how they would be doing this. And I'm sure the same thing was happening also in the English speaking part of the conference. We'll have to reflect upon this. I mean, this is going to take time for us to digest. But on one hand, you might think this is disappointing because we should have all these people together. But if putting everybody together just means that we get the wrong type of globalization, the one in which everybody has the same standard way of thinking and speaking, that's not what we want at all. So somehow we want to keep having this huge variety that has exploded during this conference. Keep having it. And yet it still has to sort of get into a melting point somehow. It is going to be our job to do this. We're open to suggestions and ideas, but it is a very important question. Just very rapidly, a couple of issues I saw, librarians are becoming the stars. It was clear in the Franco Film Conferences, but I also saw to a number of librarians in the other communities. It doesn't mean that there wasn't a case already. I just think it is much more the case in this edition of Open Education Global. Another issue could be the issue of quality. Quality as being something where people have now not only decided to actually do open education or create open educational resources, but they're all in all countries finding it essential that these are of quality. I'm not going to discuss quality because that is one of those issues in which the difference between the cultures and the languages is really, really strong. But I'm just going to say that I think it's the sign of maturity of the field. It's not about just creating them. It's now how to make sure that they actually work and get distributed. We need them to be of quality and then we start discussing what this is. Anyhow, I'm going to be told off if I go on for any longer and I will pass on to Igor. Thank you, Colin. I think it was taken to the time, more or less. Okay, so if you have not really been involved in the organization of conferences and international conferences in particular, you might not be aware that this is actually an intensive process. And so likewise, the planning of the Open Education Global Conference, both online and the in-person congress in NAMM, has been a significant undertaking. For nearly a year now, we have been meeting with our co-hosts on a weekly basis. So from my side, I would specifically like to acknowledge the enormous effort that the team at Open Education Global has been putting into the planning and the execution of the conference. And this includes the following individuals, Mario Badia from Costa Rica, Marcelo Morales from Mexico, Liziata Unadeli and Karen Huggins, based in the United States, Ayla Hadoflat from South Africa, Hadoflat from South Africa, sorry, Ayla, Yangondal from Slovakia, Alan Levin from Canada, and of course, Paul Stacy, our Executive Director also from Canada. Well done team, still work. Furthermore, I would also like to thank the OIG Board of Directors, as well as the President of the Board, Lina Patterson, for their contribution to the conference and active engagement throughout the week. A special thank you also goes to our sponsors and partners. For conference partners, this includes hypothesis and press books. And for the sponsors, this includes our silver sponsors, the Michelson 20 Million Minds Foundation and Libre Texts, the Gold Sponsors, Achieving the Dream, and the Platinum sponsors. The Platinum sponsors are those who are sponsoring both the online conference and also the in-person Congress. And this includes L'Université Numérique, and we have Jacques here from L'Université Numérique, and Frontiers for Young Mind. Thank you both and thank you all for your support. And then finally, as you are all aware by now, the fifth action area of the UNESCO OER recommendation is related to fostering international cooperation or collaboration strategies in the context of OER Open Education. So in this context, I am pleased to report that we had over 500 participants registered from 54 different countries for our conference. Throughout the week, close to 2,000 participants from more than 80 different countries engaged on the OER Connect conference platform area. So in this context, the conference succeeded in bringing together a truly diverse group of practitioners, researchers, advocates, policymakers, and administrators to connect, to share, and to collaborate. The conference week was marked with robust and zestful discussions and interactions in different sessions and also on the OER Connect platform area. Thank you all, all of you, for being such a lively, generous, supportive, caring, and engaging participants. Thank you all. And a round of applause to all of you. Thanks, Igor. That's a nice summary and that's really great to see and hear some of the range of countries and the range of types of people and also the diversity of languages. And yeah, I think awesome work, everyone. Thank you. Thank you to us, to all of those that have been involved. As Igor mentioned, one of the ways we've designed this year's conference is to feed into next year's conference. And so the theme of the UNESCO OER recommendation will be sustained from this year's event right through to next year's event. And next year's event is in May. So there's a bit of a gap of time between these two opportunities to engage the global open education community. And so we thought it'd be really fruitful to kind of try to sustain some of the momentum that's been built up around raising awareness of the OER recommendation and supporting its implementation by designing some bridging activities that would take place in the ensuing months between between today and the next in person Congress in next May. So we have a number of bridging activities that we've already come up with. And we thought we would just share with you some of what they're about. And so the first one has to do with the open education global annual awards for excellence in open education. And I'll turn it over to the person who leads that and has been leading it for 10 years, Marcella Morales. Marcella. Thank you Paul. Well, as Paul just said, I'm very happy to be here to talk about Open Education Awards for Excellence, which is always an exciting topic to talk about. The Open Education Global is honored to recognize every year the newest recipients of the Open Education Awards for Excellence. As the work of the winners reflect the outstanding achievements of the Open Education Community. It's been a tradition to announce winners during the OER Global Conference. And this year is no exception. However, that 2021 marks the 10th anniversary of the awards and we're planning I think things have been differently. Winners will be revealed progressively and by categories leading to a closing celebration on December 7th. And we are starting today with the announcement of UNESCO OER Implementation Award. Next, we will announce the Open Assets Awards on October 15th, then the Open Practices Awards plus the Recedents Award on October 30th, following with the Individual Awards on November 15th and closing with a big 10th anniversary celebration on December 7th. The 10th year anniversary of the awards is a big milestone, not only for the awards and for the Open Education Global, but also for the community. It's been 10 amazing years of rising with excellence, 10 years of growing, learning, sharing, and collaborating with this wonderful Open Education Community. And we think it's time to celebrate and honor these first 10 years of the awards. It's been an honor to witness the evolution of the awards starting in 2011 on the 10th year celebration of Open Coursework, where we only had three categories, Individual, Sites, and Coursework. We speed up to today where we have 16 categories that include individual achievements, resources of all kinds, we have Open Coursework, courses, open courses of all kinds, MOOCs, open textbooks, open repositories, and this year we even have the introduction of our newest category, which is Open Infrastructure, which recognizes technologies and tools that enable openness. And we even have an entire additional group of categories with Open Practices that include Open Pedagogy, Open Research, Open Policy, and Open Collaboration. So the awards now celebrate not only what we share, but also how we share the open assets created by the community. As of this year, 198 awards have been granted in 31 countries. So on this special occasion with the 10th year anniversary of the awards, we want to acknowledge the collective impact of the community. And to start the celebration and in line with this year's conference theme, the first award to be announced is the UNESCO OER Implementation Award, a category introduced in 2020 in support of the UNESCO OER recommendation. The Open Education Global is honored to present this first community Open Education Award for excellence. The winner of the 2021 UNESCO OER Implementation Award is every one of the 294 percenters at the OER Global 2021 Online Conference for their outstanding leadership in advancing the UNESCO OER recommendation in the open practices. A big, big congratulations to you all. Today, you will notice, yes, it's a roundup applause for every percenter that we have in the conference. Thank you. Thank you very much for all your contributions. Today, you will notice that your presented badge on OER G Connect has changed to show your award-winning status. This award badge that many of you probably already see saw. This award badge is not only for displaying on OER G Connect. You are free to use it on your personal and or institution website, emails or social media. We hope that you are proud to display it on all your electronic spaces, so please feel free to use it. You may find the downloadable materials at the award website, awards.oilglobal.org, and you may also review the list of all the winners that share this wonderful recognition with you. We invite you to stay updated with the latest information about the separate announcement of the rest of the winners. This information will be available on the same website and also shared through our newest and social media channels. We hope you will join us on the celebration from now to December and once again a huge congratulations to you all. Thank you. And yeah, that's what Marcella said. This is like the first time we've given out an award to an entire community and it feels like a really milestone moment when we're acknowledging that these kinds of efforts are often not the efforts of just one person but an entire community and how awesome to give an award to such a diverse and globally inclusive community. So I really love this award and I also love all these badges that are happening. Great to see people interested in them. So there is one of the bridging activities, the progressive announcement of more open education awards will unfold over the next few months leading to this culminating celebration of the 10th anniversary of the awards on the 7th of December and we'll have more special announcements at that event that we're working on behind the scenes. And another really fascinating bridging activity is the brainchild of Alan Levine on our team and this has to do with engaging the global open education community in annotating the actual UNESCO OER recommendation and I'll turn it over now to Alan to share more about what that activity is all about. Thank you very much Paula. Thank you everybody. So yes in this year of developing this and knowing or hoping that we would see as much examples, discussion, really intense conversations that we saw in the conference space of thinking about how we could like anchor this as specific examples or places to discuss the recommendation itself which of course is a very written and high level general language and so we are hoping as part of this idea about taking all this activity from the conference and outside and using annotation tools to actually connect it to specific parts of the recommendation. And so we look briefly at the versions doing it on the UNESCO site because they're there in the six languages of it's actually I won't get too much into the technology but it's a long single PDF document and also the hypothesis annotation tool you have to install something on your browser and witnessing some other open pedagogy practices maybe think about doing this in press books because there we can set it up so this is just available to you when you go to the press book. So I'm going to reveal now and again this is a very early draft we've actually just been working on this and we really appreciate the support of Humaguire and everybody at press books for giving us a place to host this and so this is going to be a book itself which has parts to be added but the part that we wouldn't get there was transferring the recommendation from those PDF documents into press books and I'm going to give a brief live demo and and risk everything not working because. As well let's get it going I'll just say getting the actual recommendation text in all of those languages over into a press books turns out to be a challenging task and I will apologize now I sat through the Arabic webinar and understood as much as I could we had some challenges with the format of the PDF version so we're still working on this and we may reach out to some of our colleagues who can help us because we want to make sure we get the Arabic version in there so right now there's not a tremendous amount in here but I just want to show you that we've got the the six languages that are going to be represented with with the recommendation in there so just to give a brief demo of what I mean is that when I go to any one of those versions in the top right of the screen you'll see this little symbol for this button and that and for those familiar with hypothesis it's an open source tool that sort of adds this layer of annotation atop of any public web content so you can scribble the notes of the margins of anything that's on the web but unlike your books and papers where you do this individually we can do this collectively so if I see this annotation symbol I know that something is there hypothesis is activated I even see that there's something yellow there's a highlight and so when I open this I'm already logged in to hypothesis but if not you can actually log in right here or even create your account so if you aren't familiar with hypothesis Nate Angel from hypothesis has been hanging around the site you can contact us and we can help you get started but it's pretty easy and I'm pretty sure many people here are familiar with this so this very first note so if I was just reading this there's just a couple notes that have been added by our colleagues that we've been preparing this but if I'm interested in something now this is not much of an annotation this is more of a welcome something that I wrote to greet people but you can reply so again this is conversational here so we can have conversations within these note margins as well as what we're hoping for is that specific examples that people can offer that explain highlight we can ask questions here and we can really flesh out what this means and what it's going to take to implement these so as a brief example we have many things at the conference and so are you seeing this presentation on the spark the libraries at work okay just so a fascinating presentation that we saw here I could actually annotate with this as a specific example but when I look through the slides and followed some links there's the great european network of open librarians and so I may copy that link and I would say as I'm reading this I might say I might say oh I see libraries pop up here so when you're annotating you think about phrases or words that seem to pop out of you as something that you could say oh I know something here that I could contribute or that would be an example of this so I'm going to highlight libraries and I'm going to put this annotation here and then I would start composing I'm not going to do it in a live demo but I can include a link and a discussion about why I think the spark librarian effort is a really good example of showing the engagement of the library community in the OER recommendation so what we're looking for people to do is to pick their preferred language to do annotation in and find specific parts that they can either speak to from their own work offer examples or pull from all this wonderful activity that we've had at the conference and to sort of bring this in as sort of like some raw material that we can use between now and when we meet and not in May to sort of carry on this work and so this is a way to anchor all this activity that we've had at the conference and beyond within the context of the recommendation itself and so I'm just to me like web annotation is like one of the best things that is available on the web for us to use to be collectively sharing knowledge and engaging in ongoing activity and so we're inviting everybody here and everybody beyond to start participating and annotate with us. Yeah thanks so much Alan I think this is really a really fascinating opportunity because I know that you know the recommendation was was really unanimously adopted and accepted by all 193 member states of UNESCO so that signifies kind of a high level governmental support for what the recommendation is calling for and what it feels to me this conference in a way is about bridging that kind of high level decision maker level with the people doing the groundwork right on the ground and in many ways if we can annotate the recommendation with examples of actual practice and with with recommendations in terms of resources and even analytical kind of critical thinking I think all of those annotations will help decision makers move their initiatives forward in an effective way so this is a really exciting I look forward to doing this collectively I think it's going to be really fun thanks so much Alan for working on this I know it's been a big undertaking but I think it's got a lot of potential. The third bridging activity that we wanted to just highlight it's actually here I'll put it into chat. Sorry there's a section there you go is with regards to the explainer videos and so in the bridging activity area of the OEG Connect space we talked about three bridging activities the awards the annotation work that Alan owns to subscribe but also the explainer videos and we linked to a wonderful example that Paula Corti had submitted with which she developed with other colleagues that provided an explanation in multiple languages about the first action area of the UNESCO OER recommendation which has to do with capacity building and we really love this model of having multiple voices talk about the what that action area is all about and its importance and hearing diverse views in different languages that presents that action area and its importance to the global open education audience and rather this than just invite individuals to create additional videos what we thought we would do is just kind of put an open invitation out to the global open education community to participate in creating these explainer videos and so if you would like to share your views on why any of the other four action areas are important and what their meaning is for you and your work then we invite you to express interest in that and we'll coordinate the creation of explainer videos for all the other four action areas as of policy inclusive and equitable access sustainability and international cooperation so this is really a chance for the community to provide an orientation and an explanation of what those action areas in the UNESCO OER recommendation are all about and why they're important. So that's the third bridging activity and I think what we'll do now is just turn it over to Colin and Melanie to share with us some of what to expect and some of the plans that are underway for next year's OE Global 2022 conference which is being planned as an in-person event in non-France and we really hope that the travel opportunities and the pandemic has settled down enough for the global open education community to attend and finally meet up with each other again face to face and have a fantastic event together but Colin and Melanie please over to you to share some of what's being planned. Colin's got slides. Hopefully you can see the slides and so Igor don't worry we've only got 67 of them so we will keep it very short so this would be a joint effort by with Melanie and I trying to give us some good reasons to attend NARC 2022. So I have to say the truth I mean I did a similar presentation one year ago trying to convince people to come to NARC 2021 but it was completely different because then it was you know that was the only thing we had to do here we sort of cook this presentation Melanie and I as a way to sort of just enjoy the moment so there's a lot of very serious reasons to come we try to mix the serious reasons and the less serious reasons anyhow this is in between Melanie and I so let's move on. Hello everyone so yeah one of the first reasons you definitely have to come to Nantes in May is the fact that we have some really good restaurants and bars which are quite representative of the French gastronomy and I think it's a good point actually for us. The second reason is that we've enjoyed the NARC 2021 which wasn't in NARC but we enjoyed it a lot so many things have started conversations you've heard about projects which were emerging you've heard about some initiatives and you're surely wanting to know what's going to happen to these initiatives so if you want to know what's going to happen to all these initiatives you have to come to NARC in 2022. Melanie. The third reason is the fact that there is actually a lot of to visit. French sorry is very known for our castle the most famous in here is called Château d'Anne de Bretagne and the city is also located by the river named La Loire which is quite beautiful at night. So another reason is that I think in a lot of webinars we have our discussions we have noticed that the open education movement is actually on a on a high so it's not as if we're in a defensive position I think that we are being solicited from all sides to actually do more and more so this means that we need more and more activities and we need the congress and the conference to be stronger and stronger so this is a very good reason to come to NARC next year. NARC is also very known as a Nico destination. This is actually the only French city designated as a new European green capital so you definitely have a lot of natural areas for example and the same as in Amsterdam. I don't know if you already been there but they are actually a lot of bicycle. So there are some challenges there's some strong challenges. I think one of them is that this conference has been a success and that makes the next one very challenging. They also has been a success because it's been online allowing as Igor said earlier 500 participants so I'm pretty sure we won't reach 500 even if I do hope the borders will be open and people will be able to travel but there are also some issues that we were able to solve thanks to the fact of being on the internet and one of them which is dear to my heart which is multilingualism we're going to still have to find ways now to deal with multilingualism because people are expecting us to deal with it so it is going to be a challenge and again as I said before we need help for this and again as Paul just said it's all about mixing of approaches which are bottom up and top down so this also has been a very nice equilibrium of this conference. We need to continue this again with the help of all it is going to be one of the challenges for not in 2022. Of course you definitely have to come in France to meet the French people and maybe if you are lucky enough to meet some nice people because we are not actually all arrogant but quite nice. Okay just to say at this point I suggested to Milani that we should give people a chance to follow a MOOC on humility right because to come to France you need to come with a bit of humility. Oh this is a joke right the second the last next or not quite next we've got 10 reasons so we've got three left support by UNESCO continues so UNESCO has given us a patronage for both editions and hopefully the collaboration will continue but this again makes it even more relevant what we're doing because from here we will pass our findings we will pass our our elements to the UNESCO and that is a really nice way into the sort of governmental institutions and things of that sort. One important point is also that the same team sorry is waiting for you it was quite a challenge but we are really pleased to have met some of you online and looking forward to see all of you in face to face in not in May next year. And what is the tenth what is very France the oysters so oh I'm sorry we did have this slide before well just a joke but to say that yes you will be well received when you come to not in a few months time and making we look forward to seeing you there thank you very much you call it you want to stop screen sharing and we'll come back yeah perfect thank you well so there you go uh some remarks about this year's conference some bridging activities and some really compelling reasons I'm definitely up for oysters and wine but also to engage with all of you in person in not next May. We we wanted to take a few moments to just open the floor as Colin was remarking earlier before we got underway it can be challenging when we're doing a conference like this online where all of us are busy working behind the scenes to make it successful to really hear people's feedback on how it went what was your experience what did you like what are your suggestions for improvements and so um I just wanted to take a few moments now to open the floor for any of you who might want to express through text chat or through the use of your microphone some feedback for those of us that are the planners and organizers we more than welcome it don't be shy I mean I I'll kick it off if you want Paul thank you I arrived late and I admit that I didn't really get a chance to participate in this conference as much as I might do to all you know all the busyness in the world but I'll just have to say that the reinvention that you guys have done about what it might look like to have a virtual conference I think is extraordinary I mean I think for many reasons COVID aside but climate change being another one I think we we do need to reimagine how we gather together I of course would love something better than to go to Nantes as well and have oysters with you all um and wine but um barring that you know I think the finding ways to do virtual collaboration together is absolutely key and you guys are are really exploring you know like great new ways to make that happen so I really applaud you for that and I know there were a lot of people working behind the scenes so thank you thank you thank you yeah we have definitely been trying to innovate there and experiment a little Eva did you want to say something I can continue on the more or less on the same line I have been about the presenters and share during the conference and it has been great pressure and honor and I think this conference online conference has been such such an innovative as was mentioned before with all the languages that is impressive because it is easier for most of us to talk in our own language so that is one one reason and also the the connect was just great first I thought it was a bit overwhelming when I first trying to get into it I was thinking oh my god how can I manage I said that to Alan before but then all of the night the second time I went there it was so structured and it was so easy and it was so um yes it was really easy going so that was a real success and of course I appreciated that you awarded all of us with a badge for our contribution that was a great uh just from you but also beside all the professional speeches and the professional structure and infrastructure and all this kind of things I have felt you in the week I haven't really tried to take part in most of the sessions I have felt such a nice atmosphere as well and like a like a like a large family and so friendly and there was also actually one person in my first session which I shared and she was a bit early and we Alan and me were there and then we were there half an hour before and she came rather in the beginning as well and then we started you know to talk and then people were coming in etc etc we and she said oh next time I would go to a conference I will really be very early because it's such a nice atmosphere and I think that's very good a good expression because um the conference is the conference but the atmosphere and the culture and the people make the conference so yeah congratulations thank you Eva that's very nice of you to say all those things I want to add a little bit of that because that's one of the things I've really noticed this week is there's there's been this lovely warmth that has been sort of permeating the conference and the sessions and and a lot of conversation I noticed this actually too at the OERX domains to this year where there was you know a lot more you know there's there seems to be more focus on on layers of empathy and things which which I think is this beautiful and lovely and I thank everybody who's sort of creating leadership in those areas thank you yeah I just want to say that I agree with everything everyone said so far and just you know having organized just one conference before it takes a lot of work in to create the structures and spaces within that you know where those kinds of conversations and that you know even intimate conversations you know can happen so you know I really did feel that there were the sessions that I was at you know there was a lovely sense of everybody just relating to one another and sharing and that was down to as I said the space and the structures that you all created and also the chairing I don't know you know I really want to thank all the chairs certainly all the sessions I was in because that's just kind of a little bit of magic that has to be there as well you know where people kind of can are ready to facilitate that kind of discussion so so yeah thanks to everybody and I'm looking forward to next time thank you anyone else there are some questions in the chat as well Paul perhaps something for our hosts so there are already some questions about about the structure of the Imperson Congress whether there is going to be a new call for for proposals for the Imperson Congress and there is also another question from Gino who is asking whether it's going to be possible to actually pay registration fees already this year because of budget considerations so much of us to address this question you get to address the second one so the second one is clear with the answer is going to be yes so we'll I mean obviously we didn't want to confuse this edition with the next edition so we're handing everything at the same time sounded like a bad idea but we do we have understood that people do want to spend some money now so you know spend some money now so we will come up with something as soon as we have our next meeting and for the first one I really think that this is going to need some more thinking right because because because because because things have happened in this edition and I think there's enough novelties and things for us to consider exactly what is going to be the format of the Nord thing we do know we've got some wonderful rooms we've got lots of room to do all sorts of things it will be physical so people will be there we'll be able to interact Milani didn't say so or perhaps she did and I wasn't quite aware but I mean we are already booking venues to actually so you do eat well have nice food but also see nice places there is I mean all that is going to exist and not there's going to be options opportunities to interact and we're trying to keep the prices as low as possible obviously but we still have to make that decision of how we what we put in the conference but but there definitely will be a call just to clarify that so we already have done some initial planning because initially the idea was this in person event would happen like next week immediately following the online conference so there's some planning that took place already about what might be appropriate for an in-person program and yes for sure there will be a new call for proposals associated with that program that comes out and we hope many of you respond to that and are are there next year awesome was there any other question you or that we missed um I don't think specifically questions there have been lots of complementary remarks from different people so there's going to be a lot to see thank you all thank you all right well look I think we'll we'll start to bring this session to a close but I want to invite um my talent co-host partner Judith Sabesta to to uh to provide a closing for us here at the end of this particular session over to you Judith thank you Paul I just happened to have my guitar I just wrote these lyrics about 15 minutes ago everyone so bear with me goodbye to the oe global conference 2021 it's been a great conference and a lot of fun I hope to see you in France guess we're gonna have to wear some pants so the global conference 2021 thank you so much Judith that's a wonderful uh thank you and thank you all there's still some sessions of course happening today but we wanted to provide some summary for the for the event before it gets too late for colleagues over in other parts of the world um but a lovely close Judith thank you a lot that was really great and uh and um we'll we'll close this session now Alan I think you can stop the recording and we'll let people go and hopefully participate in some of the remaining sessions that are taking place today