 we will pray okay okay good morning everyone welcome to BC 209 our course on holiness thank you for connecting to the class could we just pray together and we'll get started may I request somebody to pray with the class please anyone could pray wants to pray please go ahead Maggie let's pray all you father we thank you again this morning we pray for that to you open our heart lot and open our mind and also empower us that she's Lord is he teaches about your holiness Lord so we may receive it and what we learn Lord maybe a fruit in our heart lot and then we may be made more like you Jesus we thank you father in your mighty name Lord you pray amen amen amen okay good morning thank you so we're continuing here on this course on holiness and we have been talking about overcoming the world so we we're speaking on overcoming overcoming the flesh overcoming the world and overcoming satan devil so we started talking about overcoming the world last week on Wednesday we're going to continue forward with that just go through some of the practical things we could do because because like we pointed out last week when we see in scripture that Paul had a co-worker his name was Demis and Paul writes two times or mentions his name two times the first time he says Demis is my fellow worker second time he says Demis has forsaken me having loved this present word so you can imagine a man like Demis who was a co-worker with the apostle Paul you know he has seen the ministry he has heard about I mean he's heard Paul preach and teach and you know he must have had some wonderful experiences journeying with Paul as he went on the mission missions the missionary journeys and seen all of this and yet something somehow pulled him into the world and Paul just says having loved this present world that means the pull of the world the attractions of the world was so much that this man was willing to let go of his association but Paul was involvement in the ministry of his you know I don't know where he was in the faith whether he continued in the faith or whether he abandoned his faith I don't know we don't know anything what happened to him after that but it's very sad you know that Paul would write like that about a fellow worker somebody who was with him but then left and went because of the world because of the pull of the world so it's something all of us have to be very careful otherwise you know even should we only think about the devil being deceptive but what we must keep in mind is that the things of the world can also deceive us that's why when Jesus said in Mark chapter 40 said the deceitfulness of riches and the lust for other things so sometimes this the world the glamour of the world could become deceptive could deceive us right so we were trying to you know understand it and also of course everything has to be held in balance meaning God is not saying you know don't engage with the world of course we all have to engage with the world we are living in it we have responsibilities of you know we have to engage meaningfully with the world we have to contribute to whatever we are doing in the world and all of that and all of it is good and God gives us richly all things to enjoy so God is not saying don't enjoy but in them all of that we have to be careful that the world doesn't overpower us and control us but we we walk in victory over the world so that's something we must learn to do and hopefully these practical things will help us do that so i'm going to go ahead and share the pdf that we were just looking at so in chapter six overcoming the world we said you know there are these are the areas of challenges worldly influences cares and treasures and troubles and persecutions and we we've been talking about this the worldly influences and attractions that we face as believers the cares and the pressures of the world the responsibilities of the world and how the effect the word of god in us you know we've just talked about Paul mentioning in first going in seven that you know when you're married then you are you're responsible for things about your marriage and your home and so on um and then of course we also face troubles and persecutions hardships difficulties challenges that could impact us and we have to learn to overcome so how do we live as overcomers we started talking about some practical things number one we said was to set our affections or our desires on things about that means i'm engaging with the world i am interacting with the world but my first and foremost desire is on things above and that's ultimate and out of that i will you know we will do all these other things that that that are responsibilities on the earth okay we will do it but our desire first and foremost is on god right so it's not that we don't enjoy things of the earth of course we enjoy and god has given us uh richly all things to enjoy but we live in this place where we are very careful not to let our affections for the world become more stronger than affection for god right so we we cover those things and i i'm not sure if somebody had a question here on this i think there was a question for me abraham about uh uh managing some uh uh money and so on so abraham is that something you want to ask now or can i just continue i i remember there was some question we just left unanswered towards the end yes sir i was yes i i wanted to um get some advice on how i could balance my finances and how i could save something um because my position now and what we are doing now in vietnam uh requires some financial support and being the leader i cannot just sit down and watch the need we have as a group of people and yet uh saving some money apart so that has been my challenge recently so i wanted to know the balance and it looks like see if i don't put the money into it that problem will always be there and then it even affects me than keeping the money you know example like maybe our ministry and then people are calling me i cannot hear you the video is off you know so on a ministry like that and this thing happens i mean it bothers me alone sometimes i'm distracted um sometimes i have to leave the stage and go and fix something at the back end before i come back again so i'm just trying to just um do what i can but that would mean that i have to put all i have into it to at least everything is stable before i can at least start saving something so is it a good thing to do or i should just um use some portion of what i have to to put into the ministry then the problem will still be there you know because the problem we are having now is we don't have the people that are committed to the work they just come to receive the word and go away and we also have some people who are off online so we are trying to balance the online and the offline together meaning that our sound our video everything must be entered for those that are online and then the venue too we have to it's not a permanent venue that we can just go and fix everything and then we are done we just go there for about three hours once we are done we have to pack everything and there is no one to pack i'm the only one who have to pack everything you know which means that i have to buy good things and buy things that at least i can fix them within maybe one hour and then obviously we can start our meeting because we don't even have somebody who is controlling the camera we don't have somebody who's controlling the sound so these are things that uh request me to put what i have in so that at least for for a month or two things can be stabilized for people to really hear what god is sharing so in my case do i continue to put what i have in or i should save something thank you person yeah so abraham um you know first of all thank god for the work you're doing and you know the the heart you have uh to give of whatever you have for the work that's that that god wants you to do that's a very good thing uh so continue with that now uh in in most cases in most cases uh the person who is pioneering or leading the pioneering work is the person you know who is making the sacrifice who is investing was giving into that work and that that's that's normal like it's it's something that we all have to do that if if you're going to pioneer a work you're going to start something from scratch then you know you are the one who's going to be pouring in but your goal should be to nurture leaders as soon as possible uh two things you need to communicate the vision and you need to raise up people who would help you right so then what happens is others can participate others can share in the work that's happening right now it's not easy but that should be a goal so one is communicate the vision of what's happening say you know guys this is this is a church we're all in it together we are growing together we are serving the lord together so i want to give you the opportunity to serve you know it'd be great if somebody can help but uh setting up with packing up after service and you try to nurture leaders you know give delegate that and then it'd be great if somebody can man you know manage the camera somebody can manage the sound so that should be a goal so in the beginning yes you would be doing all these things yourself the first couple of months would be like that but once you have people coming in your goal is to delegate and have people participate at least volunteer their time and help you with various things and then from there you get people to get be part of things financially as well you can just say you know look i'm not pressuring anybody to give but the fact is god's work requires money you know it costs money to rent the place it costs money to buy the equipment it costs money to you know whatever whatever the expenses are so i say i'm going to keep an offering box here and those who want to give give those who don't want to i mean there's no compulsion but i'm just keeping so what happens is maybe the first two three months you know yeah you're putting your money but then uh what at some point you're going to transition you're going to get the people are going to participate so those of you are watching online you can contribute online and you know give them information how they can contribute online you're not forcing them them to give money you're just inviting them you're giving them the opportunity and those whom god moves their heart will give and so once you know people are participating first is they're giving they're being volunteers they're giving off their time and energy and effort secondly they start being part of it financially then what happens then you can reduce you give whatever you you wish you can start saving your own personal money for your family's needs and etc so you you make that shift is that okay um yes another thing i just want to add is uh now that uh we are doing this it requires so much time in other words i have to cancel most of my classes in order to uh do the things of god like you said the last time you had to quit your job obviously to to be a full-time minister so in my case is the advice of both that i reduce some of my classes even though i mean i've canceled a couple of classes already but i still don't get the the ample time i need to study the word of god and also to pray because for me i believe that ministry is outflow of my relationship with god so if my relationship with god is not in touch then i have no message for the people so in order to be in touch with god i'll need more time because my way of studies require more time i mean i cannot just study the bible for one hour or two hours i need to be very relaxed and to have some knowing that i don't have anything to do today and then i can study but if i study under pressure i don't really really receive anything and that will require that i cancel most of my classes what is the advice to what that is to me now when you say classes do you mean bible college classes or you mean something else uh no no i mean the the teaching hours i have in in the in the exam i teach english in the exam oh okay so what you're doing is a job yes those classes you're a printer okay um yeah it all depends on you know um how you like one is you have to manage your time that's one thing the other thing is you also have to manage your finances because obviously you need money to live there in vietnam and if you do do fewer classes then obviously i think your income might also go down um yeah right so you would be the best person to decide on you know how to manage that so if you are able to manage yourself on a smaller income because you're going to be doing fewer classes um and that gives you a little bit more time and that is fine but what i would say is you do make the transition you know at the right time right don't just go on suddenly say okay i'm not going to you know i'm reducing my teaching by 50 percent my income drops by 50 percent um you don't do that because it could hit you hard instead you know like we said as the work is growing that means you're getting more people to help volunteer you're getting people to contribute be part of it financially then you start reducing your classes because you you have income coming to take care of the ministry expenses so you don't have to put that money in etc right so what i'm saying is uh you have to look at the big picture you have to see um you know sometimes you have to work hard you know sometimes it's okay for a season that you really put an extra effort just to go through that season and it's not going to last forever it may be three four months you're working so hard now you go to that season then you come out in a better place that's okay uh so it all depends oh you know on how you look at the big picture look at your time i've got your money look at where the ministry is and then you you know you you you you gradually make the transitions or changes so that things are balanced is it okay yes plus that yes plus thank you so much all right sorry i hope the others uh you know it's like a personal call we're having in everybody else is this but i hope it's useful for others sorry uh we took sometimes okay all right so wherever we we've uh christopher you have a question go ahead uh yes pastor so uh this is a question with regards to cares and pressures that um that come from the world and uh this would be directly related to the care uh that that needs to be provided to uh the family you know the immediate family so um i mean there could be a couple of scenarios where there is a need for you know a more um you know a larger presence of the person who who wants to serve God but it's caught between you know serving God in some in a in a in a larger capacity and there are there are cares that are that need to be provided to you know to the to her family members and um um i mean this could be you know at you know at different stages of you know of one's life it could be in an earlier stage you know where uh uh you know the children are are younger younger and uh i i mean there have been some cases um because i've heard we know that uh pastors or people who are who want to serve God uh have in a sense neglected the family and uh you know they have spent that time to you know to you know to open churches and you know preach the word so i just wanted to understand um uh you know where there is this need to keep God first uh but there are there are also pressures that come from being um you know a married person um how that sort of you know kind of balances each other and um where uh even at a later stage in in you know in the uh uh you know when when family has has uh you know has has become i mean children are called older but there is still a need to you know to to have that presence um you know to to provide guidance provide uh uh you know uh that that level of uh uh you know imparting of whatever is required uh you know for for children you know for you know for the spouse and that could that could then you know not be uh not really actually could come in the way of observing God so you just want to do i you know get your view on this okay yeah that's a very important question um i can share with you you know my personal perspective and how i have tried to live my life there may be people agree with me there may be people who disagree but what i'm trying to do is i've tried to see okay let me say from a biblical perspective i feel the bible tells us very clearly to be responsible for our families right because you find this you know in 1st Timothy chapter 3 Paul the apostle is talking about spiritual leaders basically is talking about bishops and beacons that means those who are spiritually leading the church and those who are serving the church administratively like a deacon type and in both cases for both roles in the church one of the requirement is they should take care of their own family they should take care of their wife and children both and this is in 1st Timothy chapter 3 same thing in Titus so these are pastoral epistles so Paul has nurtured Timothy he has nurtured Titus both are these young men and they're in leadership and to both of them in both Timothy and Titus as part of the requirement for spiritual leadership Paul says they should take care of their family so that's what my conviction is my conviction is yes we are called to do ministry but we should not neglect family while saying i'm going to do ministry so but everything you have said christopher is so true is so true and sometimes very sad you know to see ministers of god who end up neglecting their family in the name of doing ministry or saying i'm loving god but here's something that really helps helped me that and this is something i tell myself that ministry to my family that is my wife and my children is ministry it's ministering to god it's fulfilling my calling so when i spend time with my wife or when i spend time with my children i don't see it as taking away from ministry i see it it is my ministry i am doing something as important as preaching the word and teaching the word if all i'm doing is just spending time with my wife or all i'm doing spending time with my children i'm doing something equally important probably maybe more important because the bible is telling us you know husband love your wife husbands love your wives even as christ love the church right so that's that's that's the way i feel i see it and i think it's biblical it's it's just applying the bible so here's what i did in my life you know when when our children Amy and i we have two kids josh one truth and when they were growing up that means when they were during their school years from grade you know till up to grade 12 and i used to keep time during the week just for my children and that time i would not accept for anything else so basically this was every saturday morning and during the week i would be involved with my children that means you're okay every indian i come home the evenings and make sure what's going on with their studies you know i'm trying to understand what's going on just talking to them praying with them and getting involved with their lives you know being interested in what interests them so taking time to do that i felt that is part of my ministry right it's it's serving god it's doing what's pleasing to god and then every week saturday mornings would be time for them so i would play for play soccer with josh and then we would go and i would take them for music class we would have brunch outside it was like a special time and then we would we would i'll take them to music class so they would you know they would do their music class and bring home so i had so if people came and said you know can you come and preach at a conference on saturday morning i said sorry no i've got something important time is already booked and what's important that's spending time with children you know so that's how you know it was while they were growing up now another thing that amy and i did not amy she decided now she's a doctor but she decided to stay home while the kids were growing up so that was a choice she made right so only after they i think i don't know seventh grade or something that she went back to practicing so uh so she took um i think it was a 12 year grand you know it's now that's a big gap for somebody in the medical profession but she chose to do that uh to be with the children while they're growing up and then after that so now she's no for many years she's back in the working in the hospital but so these are choices we made as a family where we said we are going to do this we're going to minister to our own family because that is serving god ministering to god and there was no guilt nothing about it we felt it's valuable it's honorable and then uh of course both kids turned 18 they left for college they're in both in the u.s but we still engage with them so of course they're adults we speak to them as adults now but uh we are still interested in what interests them right so we're involved in their lives it's not like uh okay work is over kids are gone you know we are still engaged in you know helping so both are transitioning into the workplace now uh so we are involved in helping them through the process uh i'll just uh you know Ruth has done a biology and she wants to get into genetics so we're still involved you know so i kind of example i did mock interviews with her uh you know online asking her questions on that and then uh now she's getting ready for interviews with some science labs and all that and she'll work for two years then go back into doing a masters and josh was into technologies into software engineering so i kind of worked with him that's that's my background so i can you know relate to him more and give him guidance and things again transitioning into the workplace so i help them with the interview process the job search process um so we're you know uh i feel the time we spend of course it's at a different level right we're not controlling their lives you only aiding them or we are kind of uh coming alongside them in this journey because they're adults now um but it is ministering to family it is honoring god right and you know i'm looking forward to the time i believe in god that one day you know together we can serve god you know in different nations and all of that will come in its time but now they're going through their you know education job transition process all that's so to answer your question this chris but i feel that uh we shouldn't look at it as a burden but we you know our time that we take to minister to our family we should look at it as an honor we should look at it as something god has privileged us to do uh it's not taking away from quote and quote ministry this is ministry this is honoring god this is glorifying god and this is something god has you know called us to do as much as he may have called us to preach the bible or you know minister to the people this is also a calling which we have to fulfill and so of course everything has to be done it you know kept in its place it's not going to consume us it's going to not going to take us away from fulfilling the other side of mess which is ministering to the people or the past praying or or our time that god everything is held in balance and everything is as unto the lord that's how i would you know respond to that is that okay did i answer your question okay all right so good let's move forward with um what we were talking about right so number two is um you know we as part of how we overcome the influences in the world so one we said you know we keep our affections on things about while we are doing the things we supposed to do our affections around things about secondly we uh we stay sanctified by the word and the spirit and that means uh we are very careful that the word of god keeps us clean right so uh remember what jesus said in john 15 he said you're clean because of the word i've spoken to you right so now the point is this right there will be things in the world that try to contaminate us how do they try to contaminate us sometimes it could be by trying to affect our thinking and the way we look at things uh or by affecting our affections and desires pulling on our desires and so on so the things of this world and that is where the word of god keeps us clean right depending on the holy spirit keeps us clean like i said you know last class the word of god the spirit of god the word of god the spirit of god this this affects every everything so you know if if there's a pull example and there's a pull so example you think about a salesperson okay whatever industry you know he's he's doing sales and and of course you know usually in many industries of sales people their salary is you know they have a fixed amount and then they have a what is called as a commission that means okay if you make so much sales for the company you will get that variable amount right so there's a fixed amount there's a variable amount this is typical now for business people in business development so basically it's like an incentive now you do more sales you get more uh income right now suppose the salesperson he goes to sell his product whatever you're selling he goes to somebody and then they try to strike a deal with him they say look we will give you this order but you know we need a kickback you know we need you know we need a certain amount to give to us off the books right so they're trying to strike a deal so we you know for him for the salesperson looks very attractive because he can tell his company i have closed so much in sales and of course his income is going to increase but these people want a kickback they say look if we give you this order you've got to give us so much money off the books you know it's unaccounted for now so he's got to make a decision right what should i do so look there's the pull of the world there's the affection of the world there's the attraction of the world there's something that's being presented to him by the world of course if he's in the word of god the word of god teaches us you know that wealth gained through dishonesty that will make itself wings and fly away it's going to go it's not going to bless you so i'm just giving one example but like to say there are many other scriptures that teach us to walk and integrate and so he says look i'm not going to do it right so he's keeping himself clean because of the word of god by the word of god in that situation where of course we all want to make money we all want to be successful but we want to do it the right way right and so like this there could be some examples where there is the pull of the world but you have to be in the word of god and the word of god helps us stay clean while though the world will throw its its attractions its options before us right you stay clean stay holy stay pure number three and we are engaging with the world you know what we have is we have faith in god and we have a renewed mind so this is something very important for us for us to overcome the world our faith in god and a renewed mind right that means we choose to operate out of a place of faith in god and a renewed mind as we deal with the things of the world right so we think differently we look at the pressures of the challenges through faith in god or the renewed mind rather than just the natural mind right so when you face problems you you know you use your faith in god use your renewed mind to overcome the winds and the waves the mountains the hindrances or closed doors and and so that makes a big difference that means the world is not dictating things to us we conquer the world we are dominating the world through faith in god and as we live out of a renewed mind you know so there can be just numerous challenges whether you face financially or whether you face it in your job in your work life or other areas and you face every challenge you face everything through faith in god and with a renewed mind and that is very important for us to live victorious over the world okay and my last thing is this another important thing for us as believers is that we must learn to be spiritually minded and earthly wise so sometimes you know we think that well if i want to live holy if i want to live pleasing to god i should not be smart in the things of the earth no you should be smart and we should be spiritually minded but also be earthly wise because look as long as we are on the earth we have to engage with the world that means you know there are a lot of things we have to do that that has to fit into the systems around us meaning you know there is a civil or a government environment in which we live and the government has the rules and laws and provisions there is a business world or you know all these different areas where they have their own systems of working and we need to understand we need to be wise about how we engage with the things of the world and use it to our advantage use it to further the purposes of the kingdom of god and so that's being earthly wise right so there's nothing wrong there's nothing wrong in understanding or learning how these systems work and leveraging it to your advantage right so g for example jesus said and i'm sending you a sheep in the midst of wolves yeah things are going to be harsh you know imagine sheep in the midst of wolves how was sheep going to survive you know wolves are going to you know tear them apart how are sheep going to survive beff he said you've got to be wise like servants so use the wisdom of god be wise you know be harmless that means we are going to fight we are not going to you know attack or you know be use use evil but they're going to walk with wisdom right so we are sheep in the midst of wolves we must walk with wisdom so for example you know let's say when it comes to money there's nothing wrong in in in being a white good steward of your money and i shouldn't say nothing wrong it is a necessity right we are in this world yes we are spiritual people we want to live holy but you need to be wise in the way you use your money and how do you manage your money how do you save and how do you prepare for the future and what you do that same thing with our church church finances so when it comes to the ministry and next year i will talk i would be talking to you about church ministry and administration to get into all the things that happen behind the scenes you don't see all this but there's a lot of administrative things that happen on the ministry side and part of that is the accounting right so so even when it comes to ministry financial management you need to be good you need to be strong you need to be wise about those things and whether for your own personal life or when it or it comes to ministry we need to be earthly wise otherwise what happens is we get into trouble we get into a lot of difficulty not because we're not holy people not because we're not good people but we are not being earthly wise and then you know it really sets us back sometimes it pulls us down sometimes it hinders us from being effective for the kingdom of god so to close here you know how can we live victoriously with the world i want you to think about these four things one keep your affections on the things of god god your affections keep it in the right place second keep yourself clean stay sanctified by the word and the spirit depending on the holy spirit depending on the word of god keep yourself clean there is contamination all around us we can't avoid it but we can keep it keep the contaminants from getting into us by staying clean for the word of god and the spirit of god this thirdly we live by faith and with a renewed mind so there will be challenges that will be all kinds of difficulties but we overcome them by faith in god and with a renewed minds and number four we must be spiritually minded keep our things our mind on the things of god but we must also be earthly wise don't be afraid of you know learning how the systems work and being smart about it and using it and leveraging it for your advantage or for the advantage of the purpose of the kingdom of god not i'm not saying be dishonest no we're not being dishonest but with integrity leverage these things for your advantage or for the advantage of the kingdom of god okay so let me take any questions here as far as we're talking about overcoming the world now dealing with things in the world so let me see if there are any questions here okay any practical questions here when we are talking about dealing with things of the world overcoming the world how to live victorious for the world any practical questions yeah so adivia's question is is it through the renewing of our minds that the word of god sanctifies us yes right so that's that's the way how the word of god works that's one of the ways right so that means you renew your mind and the by you know paul writes that's be a transformed by the renewing of our mind so that's one of the big another way other ways are like you know the word of god as we receive it it sets us free the word of god instructs us on how to live right the word of god correct us you know it convicts us and says look this is you know what you should be doing not that so the word of god has many effects but it impacts us and that's how you know we are sanctified kept clean okay all right i see christopher has raised his hand and who else and anita i need to go ahead i need to go ahead first i had a question in respect to new age teaching right now and like a new age teaching is getting into the schools also right now so like and like for example if it is the like for in the in case of vaccination where now people are aware that the vaccination it is optional like when it was introduced it was introduced as compulsive like these all things are going to come up like in this so regards how can we leave victories so you're asking so you're asking specifically about vaccination or in general about the new age ideas i'm sorry actually what happened is like when vaccination came faster it was like a tool compulsory like whereas people now were fighting against it and it is the it is there in the government they have the paper legal papers where they can show and can say that it is optional it is not mandatory so like wherever like new age teaching is now they want to enforce in the schools also so it will be enforced like like how the vaccination initially when came everybody thought it was mandatory like that and and like if you see the gender equality or whatever they are coming up with and it is a new age schools are coming up and these all things are getting in their studies and as a syllabus it's getting introduced like in all of this how can we leave victories and how we have to like make our children aware or how do we have to select the schools and because everywhere we are going to face this in these days hmm okay um all right let me um okay i'll try to answer this um so about vaccinations i know that's a kind of a medical issue yeah the pandemic happened and vaccinations came on subsequently so you know the fact is in almost all of the developing worlds now vaccinations has been around for many years right so when a baby is born at least in most of the developing world kids are vaccinated they are given you know mmr vaccination measles mumps measles mumps and rebella vaccination and other vaccines which is which is a normal thing in the developing world so i don't see anything wrong with that kids are vaccinated against certain things from the time they are born it's for their protection and that's something that's been there for you know for a long time and we people are still practicing it so when the pandemic came and they of course introduced the vaccinations against the for preventive measures so let's see a vaccination is not a cure it's only a prevent an attempt prevention to whatever degree that's possible depending on the problem so if you ask me personally i'm not against vaccinations uh i got myself vaccinated and i don't think it's a sin i don't think gods are angry with us it's just normal you know uh in the u.s people get flu shots vaccines they do it every year it's just they they they do it of course in india nobody talks about flu shots i mean maybe some hospitals they have but you know so different parts of the world that that that but basically medicine is not against god medicine is a way to help us and these same people who are against vaccinations also go to the hospital for other things and the bigger things actually so they are self-contradictory you know these people are against vaccinations they will go and get a bypass hey a bypass is much bigger than a vaccination so why are you if you're standing against vaccination why are you even going to the hospital to take medicines so it's actually the whole argument is pretty foolish self-contradictory but i won't get into it but the point is we ask me my my point of view medicine is there to help us god has given us knowledge we use knowledge in a way to benefit our own life on earth okay that's about vaccinations about new age teaching again you see you know these things have been there for a while from a long time meaning right from our days we're like 30 years ago 40 years ago you know our our biology books had stuff on evolution and and you know things have only progressed like that and so even today there may be other ideas or then you know in government schools in india they're trying to bring in hindu philosophy hinder teaching so all these things are there are different parts of the world people you know are dealing with different things and it's been there for for a long time just that new things or maybe very the variations keep coming in so how do we combat that well the most important thing is that as christian parents that we do our part to provide the understanding for our children and again you know children are growing up so the way they understand the way they learn will change and we have to provide that input into their lives as they're growing up as kids we can tell them you know this is what this is what the bible says we can tell them bible stories but then in the teenagers they're not going to listen to bible stories they're going to ask questions they want us to explain so we can't just say just believe no they want to know why you believe why is something so so as parents we have to explain we can't just say just believe it because pastor told that doesn't work you know when they're in the teenage years in the teenagers they are thinking they like to think independently and so we need to support that process we're not discourage independent thinking process encourage that that's how they become adults don't think it's a violation of who god is no and the ability to think independently not question is a good thing but we need to be able to explain we need to show them why you know and then eventually they become adults they they want to reason they want to you know make decisions and we encourage them through the process so just to answer your question very quickly the challenges in schools have have been there for many decades now it's packaged in different ways different things are being packaged to children in different ways through the years it's always been there and governments in different parts of the world are trying to package different things so if you think about Russia you think about China you know everywhere in different parts of the world different things are being put forward to children and what we can do as parents is work with them you know and at their level you know as they keep growing up the way they interact the way they understand the way they ask questions keeps changing and we have to be able to work with them at their level this is in a very brief answer Anitha I know Jean is a marriage and family is also a good place to ask I hope I answered your question Anitha I thank you Pastor thank you so much all right I think there are two more hands here let's see now we have Christopher and was somebody else raised a hand I don't know okay Christopher you have a quick question or otherwise we could pick it up next on Wednesday oh no I think we need to pick it up on Wednesday your question is probably twice more time okay let's do that we will pick it up on Wednesday please please just remind and ask your question at the beginning of the class and then do it okay so we've covered on overcoming the world influences the challenges for the world and as believers you know we need we need to live victorious over the world and like Anitha was pointing out things are getting complicated things are getting even more to say vicious and difficult and complex but God's wisdom is there and as individuals as church communities you know we can overcome yeah okay let's close close and pray and we will dismiss who would like to pray please somebody could pray and dismiss us okay I want to pray can I pray Pastor go ahead please be nice so let's pray our gracious heavenly Father we thank you for this beautiful time Father God of learning Lord thank you Father God for your word that will help us to that you give us Father God to sanctify ourselves thank you for the spirit Father God that will help us to direct us Father God yes Father God in this complicated world Father God help us to grow and grow more in you Father God so that the time will come when we will face the face the challenges and the things Father God we will be the victorious we will be the conqueror Father God we pray that Lord Jesus each one of us Lord Jesus we will grow in you Father God with the one accord and one mind Father God and as we are pursuing these classes Father God help us to think help us to understand the things Father God in a more deeper way Father God so that it will know it will not go very far but it will be always established in our heart in our family in our societies Father God thank you Father God we submit everyone into your mind and Jesus and we ask this pray in Jesus name amen thank you thank you thank you thank you Ruan see again so no class tomorrow I'll see you on Wednesday okay God bless thank you thank you thank you everyone Rupa happy birthday I think your birthday was yesterday or day before I'm not sure sir my birthday was it your birthday no sir February 28th 28th okay okay I somewhere I saw one name it comes up in our management system must be somebody else okay yeah thank you God bless bye Ruan they all