 So live I want to see I don't know why I want to see Valerian in the city of a thousand planets as very much as a fifth element because it's the same director yeah right now it's got his stamp all over it but I I want to see it there's some about it there's and this is interesting I don't care about the plot I'm very interested in the world because that was the thing about the fifth element was the world-building that they did with it I thought was very very compelling and I think that's one of the things that gets lost when they do a lot of these not genre movies but adaptation movies like the Marvel DC Star Trek toward the later the later movies is there rain Wilson's gonna be in Star Trek Discovery the TV show which way which one's rain Wilson he's the guy from the office yes yes I know that he's gonna play he's gonna play Harry mud the true yeah you know you know what he'd be perfect for it yeah perfect for it hard-cored Fenton mud I like rain he's good but the world that the like having a living breathing I think that's one one of the things that made um Guardians of the Galaxy so fun was the world that they inhabited right you like if you if it was a standard kind of like gang heist you know you know we get a fun characters in an interesting world yeah yeah they just made a very fun I mean that's a movie that to be honest is kind of forgettable but it's still a fun movie you sit through it and you enjoy it anytime you can fly into a giant head yeah and they never really explained that unless you're a Marvel comics fan you understand why it's a giant floating head but it's it's you have to develop a world that's I mean you know the world of the rings the world is part of it that's what draws you in the middle of the Star Wars like oh I want to go a planet where everyone is like writing a space camel or something right you know it's kind of cool like you know how many people weren't like thrilled when the Millennium Falcon and the return of the Jedi was if return of the Jedi flow of the giant spaceworms now that's Empire Empire Empire Empire Shakespeare when it's like the giant spaceworms now well then the Starlight Pit was kind of a disappointment initially because all the look was all it looked like was a hole in the ground with teeth that they glued into it ooh all right are we ready to go sphincter of tattooing all right hiding Mr. Ashley are you prepared absolutely fantastic let me just do one thing all right here we go daily tech news show is powered by you the audience to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support this is the daily tech news for Friday March 31st 2017 I'm Tom married Chris Ashley from SMR podcast alongside on this Friday good to have Chris thank you sir what it do oh I'm so glad to be headed into the weekend it wasn't a bad week just a long week somehow I don't know why yeah I was a traveling last week and I was telling a story on our show last how awful it was to get back the trip was good the you know the the meetings were great very productive and then I get stuck in Canada last flight out after sitting in the airport for three hours and then it just like okay so we're still more planes to the US so we didn't spend the night and you know and then all the restaurants are closed so it kind of made this week drag never get in man not even any free Tim Hortons nothing well here's the problem right so I went to Tim Hortons there was in the right in the whole in the airport open was Tim Hortons a place called chicken burger and and some kind of brewery so we went to the brewery first and realize I'm sorry to tell you that the only thing we have left are two burger patties and and some chicken fingers and I was like I'm not taking the last two burger patties from any restaurant so I guess chicken fingers chicken fingers you walk over there three teenagers working in the back one of them's got a bottle of sauce that's all over his fingers all over the bottle and they're just laughing and I was like oh no no no no we can't eat here the little thing else was Tim Hortons and then I walk up to the Tim Hortons register and what do I see new trainee I was like oh gosh wait for losing words but that's why I ended up beating at Tim Hortons though just grab the quick sandwich there gotcha gotcha well someday all of those jobs may be taken by robots and that's gonna be our main topic later today is what that new trainee does in that situation but let's start off with a few tech things you should know auto co-founder Anthony Levendowski pleaded the fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination in regard to documents pertaining to Waymo's lawsuit against Uber which owns auto and I guess the judge said it's not gonna stop me from putting it in an injunction if I want to so this this case is heating up yeah the only time Dave Chappelle has forever ruined the term plead the fifth for me because if you've ever watched his skit and you see him playing the character Tron and he's in there singing I plead the fifth that's how Anthony Levendowski I hope that because that's gonna be the only fun part of this for him synaptics announced the new fingerprint scanner called the FS4600 capable of force sensitive presses swipe gestures and support for software navigation buttons so if Samsung had used this they wouldn't have to put the fingerprint sensor on the back if they didn't want to that should be arriving in your products in Q3 you know early on in in life you would think you know this is not a big deal but the more I use fingerprint sensors the more I want them everywhere yeah any improvement to technology in this area is good for me because my corporate computer I have to type my ridiculous password to get into it and in my surface I can just show my smiling face and log right in that great awesome for me snapchat announced Friday it's rolling out a search function for photos and videos posted publicly to our story so this is the curated version but they say they'll have you know a few thousand pictures you can search for if you just really need to see some puppies or something I don't know man you know the more stuff we have online the more avenues we have for people to search out your information I'm sure all the private investigators are pretty happy about this yeah sure all right here's some more top stories Palmer lucky has left Facebook and therefore Oculus the company he co-founded in a statement to TechCrunch Oculus said Palmer will be dearly missed lucky's last public statement was back on September 23rd in response to news reports about his involvement in a group supporting President Trump's campaign lucky did not appear at the Oculus developer conference in the fall he did appear in court as part of the lawsuit brought by a Zenimax against Oculus where he was found guilty of violating an NDA and then in January they named Hugo Bara as VP of VR at Facebook with Oculus underneath him Brendan Arriba was no longer the CEO of Oculus as of December he he's in charge of PC VR and now end of an era right Palmer lucky out at his own company it's crazy that that type of stuff can actually happen but I guess at the end of the day you got a greater responsibility to the company as opposed to yourself but you know with Microsoft January and Launch Project Scorpio in a couple weeks so in a couple months actually announce it you know which is their updated Xbox yeah yeah that's kind of weird timing I am curious where he goes next basically he's Facebook is very bad press averse and so I kind of felt back in September as soon as he had to do some some spin control that Mark Zuckerberg was probably going to look at a way to shuffle him quietly right out of that company I he think he's a really talented guy though and I wonder who is going to want to have to be able to make use of that talent maybe Microsoft oh maybe himself maybe he has his own plan maybe he'll start his own thing again that's you know that's he just kind of did it because he was into to screens and optics and was like hey I think I can make VR out of this it's a pretty great story still absolutely Twitter has changed the default picture for new accounts from an egg to a gray gum drop headed human I saw my first one just 30 minutes ago Twitter claims a photo gives less prominence to accounts with a default profile photo this is obviously not going to solve trolls on Twitter but you know the idea is that those eggs that are often used as people say eggs when they refer to trolls sometimes because people will create accounts about putting an avatar they won't be as easy to spot they won't be as prominent I don't know if you really want to do that just make it an empty box don't even put an avatar in there I guess yeah or maybe stop allowing people to have be anonymous on there I don't know that's I mean there's so many other things they should do to really fight this this isn't the thing that's all no no and in fact that you know that they even let this out they should have this is something that you should never have announced they should have just let it happen they're like oh not an egg anymore yeah now I'm a gum drop headed human yeah and they made a big deal of how they you know they tried to make it genderless like it is so that it's not necessarily a man or a woman and I'm like it's it's it's popular price character it's not yeah I mean it's a popular thing to do but at the end of the day they've got bigger problems you know the amount of trolling the attacks that occur you know to people that say something that they disagree with it they need to really get on on that and and I believe some people are saying oh great they spent all their time doing this I don't think it's the same teams that are working on fixing one that fixing the other but I get it like you people want to see more progress on the other front same time I'll be honest and this doesn't if this is not in relation to the troll problem at all I will be happy to see something that very clearly is an account without an avatar I remember when the eggs first showed up I thought that was people picking eggs for their avatar it was you know and of course I got used to it pretty quick but this is very this does very clearly say like no no default photo to me right yeah I guess yeah yeah Verizon has announced the installation of a search tool called app flash on all of its Android phones it'll be coming in the coming weeks the EFF notes the Verizon says on its site that the app will collect your mobile number device identifiers device type operating system list of apps you use contacts and location which it will then share with advertisers you can limit the information that the app collects and you can opt out of targeted ads but you cannot delete the app unless you root your Android phone this is one of the most disgusting things I have seen in online and you know in the news and it really really bugs me about this because the fact that they have this app ready to go after right after that both the house and the Senate passed the past the repeal yeah people wasn't even repeal block these rules aren't going into place right right great we don't prepare for that urge boom boom house Senate oh here's our new steal your information without telling you stuff I man I and unfortunately you know got it people aren't just not even gonna know this is happening and that's the worst part about it and here's the thing Verizon the good part of this is that those 2010 transparency rules did force Verizon to put this on its website and in the EFF did its job in finding that and saying hey folks this is what they say they're doing with it so that part of the system still works and so we know that they're doing it they they're not able to hide it also I mean I'll give them half points for allowing you to opt out I prefer opt-in but man putting on a collection app like this that you can't delete is just that's just adding insult to injury yeah how was that okay you can opt out of targeted ads but we're still can gather the information why because they can now link that information to the other information they gather about you know in fact I think it was I want to say Nick let me find somebody just sent an email right before the show so I didn't have a chance to put it in the full lineup no Nate sent an email pointing out like hey don't forget Verizon is in the process of acquiring Yahoo one of the biggest programmatic advertisers and they already own AOL so they can now take all of that ISP information cross-reference it with AOL and yah and eventually yahoo yeah it now makes the picture is a lot clearer because no one really understood why is Amazon why is Verizon buying yahoo yeah for the ads yeah yeah and so now you got the ads the ad platform user information because there's no question how much user information we know that because they keep giving away well here's some good news total us retail sales from recorded music rose 11.4% to 7.7 billion the biggest rise since 1998 revenue from streaming services made up 51% of annual revenues for 3.9 billion the first time that streaming services have made up more the majority of revenues for the music industry and that's a big jump up 70% from last year when you break those numbers down sales from paid subscriptions more than doubled while free ad supported services like what you get from Pandora or YouTube rose 26% sales of digital downloads declined 22% that's not a big surprise at this point and of course sales of CDs declined as well you totally expect that the RIAA however said they could have been bigger if we had a better deal from YouTube and also we still want stronger copyright laws they still don't get it they just don't know they get it they get it just fine but you know it's nice to see that because you you know you'd like to see companies totally from the business standpoint like Pandora and all the streaming services actually be successful they came up with a new way to play music they drove the business and it's good so that part of it and you know you had Drake that's just broke streaming records I think you're right you know so Nicki Minaj I think was on the list as well so you know what the music is there the content is there and people are excited so I want to see the musicians getting their money you know which that that is something that sometimes happens sometimes doesn't but overall if the music industry is doing better that's more money that can go to musicians and I think that's good I've been saying for a couple years like you got to wait till streaming services get to scale before you start condemning them because you remember the music was railing against Spotify in the early days but now that it's starting to bring in the bucks they're backing off on that they just want a better deal from YouTube so they're putting the pressure on them they've been putting pressure on Pandora for the same thing for a long time and that's fine they're a business they should be pushing for a better deal I am I only get upset when they want to start changing laws which they want to do with the DMCA don't change the laws just to benefit a single business that is recovering and and doing but doing well and I think will continue to recover yeah unfortunately I have no hope that they're not gonna pass some kind of law or change some kind of law to make that happen fingers crossed I have a shred of hope I will have the hope for you Chris thank you I'm gonna raise my hope level up alright the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has rejected an application by four banks to collectively negotiate with Apple over access to its NFC controller for payment applications why well the Commonwealth Bank of Australia Westpac Banking Corporation National Australia Bank and Bendigo and Adelaide Bank wanted to team up so that they could pressure Apple to let them create their own payment system for iOS in other words they said please let us collude so that we can force Apple to let us make our own Apple pay they didn't want to have to use Apple pay the ACC Chairman Rod Sims ruled that such a move would reduce competition on several fronts so now the banks are all gonna have to negotiate individually right so good you know because as much as you know I don't necessarily defend Apple every chance I get at all but you know what they got technology they invented it well they invented it for their device how I wanted it to work they made it popular and now hey give us what you got or allow us access to what you got so we can do our own thing no I'm not feeling that at all well I mean I get it where it's like hey Apple has a monopoly over Apple pay because that's the way Apple works right it's got that that vertical system but if these four banks start to throw their weight around together they might be able to force that to happen and certainly if they can get it Apple to do it it would be easy to move it over to Android and then suddenly they're dominating the payment system in Australia which is why Rod Sims said yeah no there's a few different ways that this reduces competition so I don't think I don't think we're gonna allow it look why don't these guys figure out how to make the little credit card readers all have the same display information why don't you guys work on that first because sometimes you gotta push the green button otherwise you gotta skip it some machines now show debit twice and you're supposed to figure out which one is credit figure that stuff out first leave that I'll say everybody else is probably a US centric problem not an Australia problem because they've been on chip and pin for years but yeah I'm totally with you if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in less than five minutes folks you can subscribe to our sister show and I highly encourage you to do so Daily Tech headlines dot com So Rob Lucaccio is the founder and CEO of a company called Live Person uh he was somebody who was working with web chat for customer service back in the late 90s he's been doing this for a long time and he has a guest column on TechCrunch that says in the title we need a new deal to address the economic risks of automation and I'm gonna I'm gonna break down his reasoning here Chris but this is something I think a lot of people are thinking which is hey I love the idea of automation for self-driving cars for robots doing things more efficiently for AI chat bots that help me do things but is that going to put me out of work? Right and so this is such a multifaceted thing to think about because it gets into some of the fears that a lot of people have around introducing socialism or more social programs into the into the uh current economy but you can't just do things that take away people's jobs and then just be like good luck to you so you know I'm for automation because obviously it increases efficiency increase you know it says you get technological breakthroughs but man I I like the idea that they introduced in in this article about how they should go about at least addressing that. Yeah let's take a look at what he says uh first he lays out that 40 to 50 percent of tasks performed in customer care fall into a category that is highly susceptible to automation this is the industry he's in so he watches this very closely he estimates about three million people in the U.S. are employed in call centers uh so you know not every single one of them would be out of a job but a a big percent 40 to 50 percent could be other sectors that could be affected by this truck and taxi drivers we've talked about that before cashiers security guards retail clerks uh obviously manufacturing jobs already uh subject to replacement by automation and that's not going to get better in this situation he believes millions of Americans that face unemployment within the next decade and though new jobs are created as old jobs are automated the problem is displacement of workers many can't retrain because they're in a low wage job where they don't have the resources to to save up a lot of money to pay for retraining in a new career they certainly can't go retrain in their off time because they're spending all their time working so we're going to be in a situation where we have a lot of low skill low pay jobs and high skill high pay jobs and that middle is what you keep hearing people talking about is where this is getting eaten up so let me just ask you directly because what do you think of the idea to tax these companies that are bringing in these automation machines because personally I think it should happen you know because as it stands today we do a lot for for companies and rightly or wrong whichever side you fall on you can't just pull well I guess they could pull money out of nowhere we've seen that before but at the end of the day it's hard yeah we need to take care of people we need to get better about taking care of people and I saw I'm okay with the the taxing of this to help offset and maybe that creates education programs where these folks can go to and retrain maybe it actually pays these people and creates new revenue streams to pay people um you know I don't know if it's all out just you know sit there and let's just collect money you know I'm never down for for that aspect of it but I'm okay with this where do you fall yeah well there's there's three solutions that Luccasio mentions one of which is his own Bill Gates is is advocating what you're saying taxing automated services to slow down the rollout which would slow down the impact and give time to retrain people using those tax funds Elon Musk says just do universal basic income he's one of those guys who's like let's just give everybody ten thousand dollars a year there's a lot of studies still being done on whether that would actually help and there's no clear evidence that it would or it wouldn't so that's a pretty murky situation you can have a lot of opinions about that Luccasio is calling for a preemptive new deal he says go Roosevelt on this before we get the depression fund education and retraining programs in cooperation with employers that have jobs and encourage software platforms that require human input get people to create startups that require humans who are better at things like design creativity empathy judgment he says lean into what we've seen with things like Etsy and far organic farming where something that got automated in a huge amount manufacturing and farming had a resurgence for the human touch on things I worry that attacks if not very carefully implemented could actually slow down the rollout of automation too much because what you're talking about here is you're going to make if it all works out right what I believe is down the road it's going to be better for everyone because you're going to have more efficient ways and raise productivity but what you have to address is the displacement it's not that we're going to lose jobs I feel like we're going to make enough new jobs but you're going to displace people so I have a job at a call center my call center job goes away I'm not trained or maybe I'm not even the right location maybe my call center job is up in Wisconsin and all the jobs that I think I could get to take its place are out in California do I have the money to move to California and and join the tech circle out there maybe not so that's where I think yeah maybe a tech a precise tax on output or maybe there's a more creative way to do it that then funds people who can retrain maybe even move in certain cases to take new jobs I think that's essential I think you have to have a plan for that because the disruption is going to come fast and it's going to come big and it will work out over the long term but you need to have something to help people make that transition yeah yeah so essentially a some degree of a combination of some of the proposals that were in this article which I think makes the most sense because you're definitely going to need to come up come up with the money for the training for relocation as you just mentioned and you know just where else you're going to get it but from the people that are benefiting from that the same situation that's creating the displacement yeah so but at the same time we don't we don't want you're right it has to be intricate enough not to slow down progress you don't want to kill the industry that's creating the new jobs right right yeah so yeah man it I'm glad it's not my problem all right no kidding but yeah it's such a it's such a strange time because you know for folks like us that are super into technology who want to see these things but you know the compassion aside you you realize there is a serious detriment to to these things as well so as long as long as we and but I the biggest overall thing is now is the time to start being proactive yes how we address the situation and I thought I think that's the best part about this the whole discussion there's a New York Times article that just came out today that researchers at MIT and Boston University using real world data to do a study found there isn't a lot of employment increase to offset jobs lost in manufacturing right now due to automation and part of that is geography where where the jobs are not created in the location where the people in manufacturing lose their jobs but even when you when you kind of factor that out there's still not a huge increase in the jobs yet and so that that is the thing you need to look at too to say okay how how do we find ways to get people into the the new situations that they could take because what they're saying is not there are loss of jobs they're saying there's not jobs that these people who lose their jobs can get right yeah and so the only way around that is education and training and so I don't that's why I never understand especially for people coming up because you know we're pretty much for the most part set in our industries and what we're doing but the people coming up the kids coming up are the ones going to be in trouble and so I just never understand when when you know there are proposals to help pay for education to get you know and it's just like no we can't do that everybody and it's like you you have to look at the bigger picture you know we have these big part of middle America that where all these jobs are going you know even if even for the folks that are shipping jobs overseas it's really the same thing you know you ship the jobs overseas and then all of a sudden you create this vacuum of folks that don't have anything to do and a lot of these jobs that they decided you know in that whole car manufacturer they said okay we won't ship them all but they're still automating so there's like the problem's not solved it's just delayed well and MIT and Boston study that I mentioned tried to look and say well is the problem really oh you know outsourcing and overseas and they're like that has virtually no effect it's mostly automation from what they can tell that's the that's the bigger threat so and like you say it's not just kids who may not not be getting the education they need to move into these careers that's a huge problem it's also the the adults if I'm close to retirement age I'm in my 50s and I've been doing one job for you know for the most part all my life and suddenly you're like hey don't you want to become a a gig employee you know right on dog vacay.com doing dog walking and it's like no no that's not what I want to do no I've got a couple years left to work I'm definitely not trying to do that yeah or you know I've been I'm an excellent at putting these parts on these on this little other part and then creating something you know creating a car yeah and so yeah so it's just man I just don't I'm not seeing the happy ending that we would like to see at least at this point but at least you know again I'm happy that the conversation is happening but well and and I know some people say well hold on I don't want taxes to go up do we need you know the government spends too much money as it is however the government is going to spend more money if we don't have a plan for this great because you will spend money on people who get thrown out of work and are unemployed right because they'll get sick and that'll put a burden on the government system right you'll also lose tax money if you have a bunch of people sitting around idle instead of productively working at jobs so you want to make sure you get them into jobs so that then you're creating money that actually brings in tax revenue without raising taxes so spending a little bit in the right way that's the trick that's what Chris and I are both saying we're not have the answers but spending money in the right way saves you a lot of money down the road yeah you know and there's no question that once you create these areas that are now poverty stricken and all these folks are now disenfranchised and uneducated certainly crime is going to start going up and the folks will definitely turn to that as a means to make money so you know whether you want to invest to help you know educate the kids for the future you want to help invest to keep the streets safe and you know you can't look at this it's anyway as a bad thing finding the money and then creating these avenues for folks to get out of these situations that are already here but you know we're not near the peak of yeah yet at all and that's the trick right making sure you spend the money on a program that fixes these problems that prevents these problems and that's where the rubber meets the road because people have lost faith that that can happen so we're early enough that folks like Luccasio are making the call saying we need to start figuring this out but we're also early enough that nobody's really figured out what that actual solution would look like yet absolutely and i don't want to hear anything about no bootstraps either and i'm gonna hear about bootstraps picking ourselves up by the bootstraps yeah bootstraps are like buggy whips are they like that's a that's a 19th century technology you know this is what you love to hear i don't got any boots around that have straps i'm more intense no straps yeah hey thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com uh got an email here from patrick and sunny but still a bit too chilly paris who says hey tom chris len and roger by the way if you're wondering where len is he had a family uh thing come up so he couldn't be with us but we do miss him and hopefully he'll be back next week patrick writes long-time listener and scarf wearing co-host well this is patrick beijer writing into the show that he co-host on tuesdays he says one last note about the isp's fcc privacy thing i believe one key element of that whole situation that has gone greatly unreported isps argue that they should be treated fairly and be afforded the same conditions as internet services like google and facebook that might sound reasonable at first but we should remember that isps are already getting paid for the service they provide whereas google and facebook are not if they want to play by the same rules maybe they can start offering free internet access to everyone in the country i won't hold my breath that's obviously a joke but it shows that they can't have it both ways well okay actually i guess they can what i mean is i don't think they should as nil i put tell put it in a video on the verge this means we're paying isps so they can also sell our data talk about adding insult to injury makes very little sense i could go on about the ideas that oh but we'll get cheaper internet because of the added revenue stream and sure we might if there was a reasonable amount of competition but those have been talked to death so i'll stop there hugs to y'all patrick and paris well that's a great point right because that was one of the major arguments that was used in this whole thing in the first place was the fact that they were saying well google and you know all these other guys they don't have to do this so why do we have to do it and they went the complete wrong direction they said okay well you don't have to do it no everybody should have to you know do it that was the right direction to go to but clearly this was a money grab and i forget which senator was that was speaking i think was two days ago when they were about to pass this thing and he was just like you know what do they need to know what kind of underwear it was hilarious but he was making great points he was saying you know they we should have made the rule for everybody not really lacks the rule and this one that was my point yesterday is is maybe the rules the FCC were going to put in place weren't the best but didn't come up with what are the the appropriate rules for your privacy and apply them to everybody who has an opportunity to gather data don't just say yeah you don't need you don't need this you know it this is a terrible terrible thing kevin from spring is really here tennessee actually had an idea what if google reveals a feature called gpn the google private network so when you're doing a search there'd be your traditional links but then an added feature would be a gpn link that google would fetch and run through a secure tunnel like a vpn google has had all my information for over a decade he writes and i have yet to have a negative consequence for that for better or worse i trust them more than i trust my isp no no you're not mine at all no they're part of the problem they're doing the same thing they're gathering data you know yes i get you want a vpn not a gpn you know for sure and who's gonna you know who's gonna be the next vpn provider and you know build those things right into routers that they sell but the reality is you know google you have to trust that google's why would google allow you to encrypt the information that they need it kind of goes against their business right that's that's the i mean it's a brilliant idea and i could almost see google doing it because sometimes they will do things that go against their business model because they know it you know creates warm fuzzy feelings with people but yeah yeah uh finally will in cloudy wait no rainy wait no sunny dublin writes uh he's been meaning to email since i spoke of planned meetups back around st patrick's day that on the first thursday of every month a selection of people who could best be described as your listener base meet up for pints and chats in dublin it's a great group of like-minded people and anyone who follows your show would fit right in they meet in the magpie in dalkey dublin from around 8 p.m uh for a few hours that's the first thursday of every month and we'll have details and some links in the show notes as well so if we got anybody out there in dublin looking for some like-minded folks to share a pint with uh made me really jealous when he 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came first um the modern new deal new deal too electric boogaloo electric boogaloo that might be the leader keep going oh my um verizon facebook gets unlucky no more lucky at facebook um there's not as many titles typically yeah i think they they had a hard time getting showbot up and running uh today but at least they got it running so my vote goes to electric boogaloo yeah i voted for it too oh man so you got big plans this weekend tom uh yeah well we got a new dog oh man so we're gonna be hanging out with the dog she's a german shepherd mix okay we're calling her ray she's right down there right now sleeping uh she's she's my production assistant so we're gonna be hanging out with the dog and uh my wife just text messaged me like just the second uh she's at wondercon for work she said i bought soya a bow tie so here's our other dog oh geez and he's black with white on the front so we've been joking that he needed a bow tie for a long ride to go with his tux so i'm guess we're gonna dress up soya at a bow tie and hang around with the dogs what about you uh you know i just i'm gonna get my clean lady out here so the one the wife comes home she comes home oh i said where's the wife yes pilot she's in california actually oh really where is she in san francisco or something uh where did she go you don't know yeah i'm the worst i'm the worst i was just like i was like okay okay you know have a good trip but uh um she's out there she works in she works for a company that does like drug inventions you know like she used to work for astrazeneca and like a pharmaceutical company yeah she went to a smaller one nice out there for a convention and training and all that stuff so you know so yeah so it's just you know i gotta find that i'm definitely definitely because i've been gone i was in vegas a couple weeks ago that's why i couldn't catch it with you guys in and oh yeah and then uh uh canada last week so i am definitely firing up this man you've been traveling around yeah it's been you know i guess you know what when the economy is down everybody knuckles up you can't do it on web you know on the web you're gonna have a good reason to travel but you know they've kind of loosened up the pockets a little bit so that's good if you need to go yeah of course so you know it's like you need to go see somebody go see them so yeah so i'm you know taking advantage of it all right the new deal to electric boogaloo is at the top right now i'm good with that all right i think that's all all right i'm gonna jump out of here i take my little baby girl to gymnastics i so appreciate you having me on the show oh yeah thanks for coming back man it's always good haven't you anytime you want me i'm here absolutely you know what i want to get you and the robbs uh on one of my roundtable shows that i do once a month too we'll figure that out oh let's figure it out robin rod let's do it yeah all right great all right you guys have a wonderful weekend i'll talk to you soon see you bye so yes new deal to electric boogaloo has been chosen and i'm putting it in the id three times transition period a lot of people i mean none of these things ever go smoothly i mean that's just the nature of how that's one of the reasons i wanted to talk about his column because i think he's right about we need to decide we need to decide ahead of time i don't i don't really have a lot of faith that we will but he's right that we should and whether he's right about a new deal or whether it's some other solution that somebody has yet to come up with we need to start putting our brains against it yeah no i totally agree it's um it's definitely something worth planning yeah because i don't believe we'll that the robots will take all our jobs and and and we'll be stuck without jobs and it'll be no the whole point of the robots and automation is it increases abundance for everyone what is important is to make sure that everyone can share in those resources in that new abundance yeah and i mean you know it's i mean you're intersecting so many issues and it remains it remains to be seen uh generally how this will play out i mean if everyone was uh you know um uh sister teresa or mother teresa sister teresa is my teacher from catholic school uh mother teresa was a sister at some point right yeah uh mother teresa yeah i'm sure that could probably work but you you know not you cannot not everyone thinks that way or will think that way yeah some people still have very much have a and it's tricky because the people are like ah don't don't use government tax money for this they have a point which is because it will be wasted right the assumption is because it won't work it'll be wasted it'll be mismanaged and you don't want that that is the opposite of what you want uh that doesn't mean the government isn't the right way to do it it just means you have to make sure that it's done right somehow or maybe there's another way to ensure that it's done right that's a public private partnership uh i don't know i'm i'm very attracted to the idea of basic income i have yet to see the evidence that says it will work and that's that's the tricky part of it there's some evidence says it will there's some evidence says it doesn't uh and you can come up with a lot of common sense reasons why it would or would not work but until we actually see some it working somewhere i'm i'm not going to get too enthusiastic about it and maybe maybe it might not just be basic income is not just a straight monetary transfer kind of thing i mean you know colonial expansion worked for for for one good reason there were a surplus of people yeah right it's like hey not doing anything will cost you more yes no i'm not saying i know i know i'm just saying that to the audience not to you well uh yeah when basic yes and no i mean it's it's the same argument what oh i'm sorry i'm talking to the chat room again jpeg gpeg his question or her question is wouldn't basic income devalue the dollar less incentive to work and lower wages there is there there is evidence that it doesn't give you less incentive to work that it's because it's only just enough to feed and clothe you that people still want to find work so yeah that's one of those like well common sense says if i'm making some money but if you have it at the right level you still want to work because you want a better life and and so it doesn't disincentive work but then there's some other evidence that says yeah but for a certain section of the population they actually it it does stop them from continuing to work so there may be something to that devil's advocate in me would say and this is the jerky kind of a holy part of me would say maybe maybe the premise of the the whole thing is wrong does everyone need to be brought on board does it you know at what point do you cut your losses what are you saying there's let people die i don't quite understand perhaps i don't know it's it's not so much but it's it's uh um we're working on the we're in this is probably east meets west thing but we're working on the assumption that everyone needs to be brought on board everyone needs to be safe i don't know what you mean by brought on board like as as part of society everyone should be taking care of what if you don't believe that oh you mean like just let let people starve yes fall by the wayside yeah i don't think that's a good i don't think that's a good plan i disagree with that plan i think that's the whole point of having a civilization is that you don't let that happen i believe in universal human rights maybe what do you mean we shall see i'm saying what i believe in that's not a we shall see situation i know i mean the jerk we shall see as i stroke my non-existent beard i mean honestly uh if you don't believe that everyone has a right to you know a certain level of existence then you just go out and kill everyone right isn't that that'll solve a problem that's the linden marush plan well that was kind of the that was kind of the the british plan for the longest time join the military yeah no i think that's horrible i think that's unconscionable unconscionable there are very few things i would condemn that would be a thing i would condemn man you brought us to a dark place roger how do they bring us to a dark place you talked you said like maybe maybe people should just die you got all ebony's or scrooge if they should die they better do it and decrease the surplus population no i don't think that's the solution i don't think i don't believe you think that's the solution but i just said i'm playing devil no i know that's that you really were advocating for the devil with that one the extremist the pull pot solution extremist beef extremist beef like is that like really like sour and and spicy tasting beef jerky yeah maybe like the the super spicy slim gyms having to a slim gym that's just motor oil hey so i'm going to talk about this more on monday but monday is episode three thousand which gets people really excited right like oh the three thousandth episode it's not actually the three thousandth episode of daily technician uh if many of you already know this but when we started daily technician derrick kitchen suggested he's like what if instead of starting with episode one you combine the number of episodes you did at buzz out loud with the number of episodes you did at tech news today and then add one and that's the number of the first episode of daily tech news show so that's what i did it isn't even an accurate estimate of the number of daily news shows that i've done because there were several tech news today's and buzz out louds that are counted in that number that i wasn't on because i was on vacation or out sick or whatever but it's you know people like round numbers so on monday we will note that it is at the episode three thousand not the three thousandth episode though kind of a fine line to draw a fine line like fine wine well thanks everybody for watching and listening we will be back for episode three thousand maybe we can get um like all the mystery science theater people to come bye