 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind Pump, me, Adam, and Justin for about 28 minutes have some fun conversation It's always fun. Adam mentions our sponsor Organifi. He talks about these cookies he made He ate them all. Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't share like 5,000 calories worth of fun mom mistaken not quite that much Justin on the bulk Justin talked about his his nut butter that he gets from Thrive Market I mean it shouldn't be you know creepy, but I always make it literally Justin's just tasty That's the name of it. We talked about the train the trainer Seminar that we had here at Mind Pump media headquarters, which was fucking awesome another big Thank you to all of the trainers that attended that we love you And we're gonna be doing be doing more of that stuff in the future. Yes, also We have been getting a lot of questions on one of our bundles our sexy athlete bundle So we create these bundles by combining different programs and then typically what we do is we add a modification to it Showing you how to how to use both Programs in combination. We want you to be able to make babies with our programs Definitely the one that we the ones that we put together in the sexy athlete bundle are maps performance And maps aesthetic so one of them is athletic based the other one is kind of bodybuilding You know stage presence based with the modification in there teaches you how to combine the two literally meld them So you're not just following one and then following the other one you're combining them So some of the foundational workouts will be performance some of the work of foundational workouts will be Aesthetic and then whether or not you do mobility or focus sessions is up is based on your goal You can find the sexy athlete bundle and also it discounts both programs over 20% off You can find this at mind pump media comm and then organifi We also have a discount with our sponsor organifi the discount I believe do we know how big the discount is does 20% is 20% off to go zero go to organifi shop comm Enter the code mind pump and now we get into the questions First question was would we ever program? Barbell or kettlebell complexes into a maps program other words would maps ever have a baby with wad. Yeah Probably not and obviously this person is not familiar with maps performance because we do have them in there So you might want to pay attention the next question was you know in the old days of mind pump We were off the rails this person says we're more professional now Do we miss the day and it's all my vagina talk? Yeah, do we miss those days kind of and we kind of don't the next question was we'll bring them back You know it said that you are the average of the five people you surround yourself with we talk about the five people who have helped us most Into molding us into the people we are today. I was a better person before I met Adam and Justin mainly because he only had three friends Yeah, the one to you the final question is do we believe that some people? Regardless of how hard they work will ever be successful a bodybuilding in other words Can you outsmart your body's genetics and metabolism without sci-fi technology where you can actually alter your genes? No, find out in this episode of mind hacking an amoeba and it's t-shirt time 18 reviews and we're giving away five shirts Okay, so starting with black spade boy 300 Gorilla baby face C-ray 56 and big chest 69 lol Yeah, all of you are winners in the names I just read to iTunes at mind pump media comm send your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you So you eat these you make these 80 calorie cookies and then you eat fucking 70 of them Hey, they're diet. Yeah That's what's funny about that stuff. Although I will I will say this though This is the cool part of that and I'll be the first minute like I definitely bench I think it probably had like eight or ten. What are the ingredients? They look amazing. What are the ingredients? It's I saw I saw them but explained to the other. Oh, no. Oh, no I've the ingredients is on my instor you're gonna have to go there, bro If you don't want to go to my instor you don't get the recipe listen. Do you do in a horrible fucking job? I'm trying to get you to a bitch in our organ if I sponsor right now, and I'm trying to tell you No, you gotta go to my instor story if you want if you want the recipe Well, I don't know the recipe off my head. Come on, dude. It's like it's long But what do they taste like every putt peanut butter or they know so there's coke there's cocoa powder in there There's vanilla extract in there. There's the organifi protein powder the organifi green juices even in there Walnuts chocolate chips. Oh cream cheese What else is in there? We're talking I think I name most of stuff that's in there now Do you do you cook them or do you just put it you bake them you bake them in the oven? They're like normal cookies Don't remember like when we had the keto cookies with that girl. Yeah, so it's just so we've been so Katrina and I since those cookies We've been like experimenting with stuff try and using organifi and all the recipe they have a bunch of recipes So we've been playing with them This is a recipe we're doing right now and they were really fucking good and we made some of them with walnuts We made some of them with chocolate chips And then we made regular ones that just taste that were just the cocoa the cocoa flavoring with the cream cheese and the Organifi stuff tastes awesome So but here and so we before we turn before we turn the mics on We were we were joking about how you I ate like, you know 20 of them or whatever, right? Yeah And it defeats the purpose, you know what the macros are on it not off the top of my head Yeah, you know, it's funny that you know, I dug it stuff Just get we all bring it to share it and then Adam does stuff and eats it all by himself every single piece But he tells us about it. I'm not a good share. I'm not at all always sounds amazing Yeah, so how was your stomach after eating all so that okay now that was what I was gonna say So the difference between because I'll be the first admit I've you know more than once in my life bends on a box of fucking Oreos or you know Grandma's old. I love the grandmother old cookies. I love those cookies. I think I've ate a whole package of those Handful doing up grandmothers ideal. So the devil stuffed Oreo, you know I never went on that kick that was really you know the whole all about the lard You know the Oreo thing right now That's like I mean or great kudos to Oreo for fucking great brilliant marketing, right? Like because everybody it's like they just started doing all these combos and flavors and all this shit now all these different types Of Oreos and everybody sharing them and I mean so brilliant But I never I never got on that bandwagon of the devil. Yeah, I was like cake batter Reese's peanut butter cup the double stuff the layer the vanilla ones they all kinds of ones now So I never got the whole separating the Oreo and eating it But the difference is this is I did I did overeat them and that does defeat the purpose if you're using them to lose Weight and you're you want to in you're eating less calories, but I I felt Great afterwards normally if I did something like that if I eat a bunch of like so three thousand calories worth of cookies But you know I'm serious like that was what was that was what was great about it was yeah I definitely over eight on calories. This is if my goal was weight loss. This definitely is not advantageous, but I Didn't get bloated. I didn't feel miserable. I didn't have this awful shit I took later on in the middle of the night because if I would have done that with Oreos I'm shitting in the middle of the night do it to the morning again Woken up to be a shit for sure hundred percent if you raise a box of Oreos that's happening to me, right? But with this I actually felt great it felt in fact I could have ate more, but I was like, okay That's enough, you know, so how much it's a decent amount of protein then because you use the powder the protein powder Yeah, the protein powder is in there the green juices in there and then you have some walnuts You get a little bit extra there, too. Damn, but I all I want to try those Oh, yeah, I'll look the macros up, but I've Katrina send the brother up or I'll find out and I'll have Jessica and But we can't do yes, I can't do cream cheese. I can't do dairy Oh That's everything for those dude. Yeah, you'll have to do the other keto cookies that grow mate cuz hers didn't have that What if I use like a like a nut butter a Nut butter. Yeah in the replace of cream cheese. I'll give you some nut butter You know what I did I did a post I bought it on thrive was it a post I think it was on the forum and somebody was asking your thrive plug right there You but you brought your nut butter on thrive. Yeah, he's gonna put his my favorite thing to buy on there What you guys don't do you know what nut butter? Which one do you buy I buy the Justin's? Of course. Yeah, why wouldn't you yeah, it's organic. Do you sell it there? They don't have it. They have Justin's nut butter. Yeah. Oh, it's good. It's meant to be I'm exactly It's such a fit Justin's nut is delicious. It is it's good So the seminar the train the trainer seminar super humbling dude. I was fun so much I got I went home Afterwards so while we're doing it Obviously we're in the heat of the moment. We're you know doing our stuff I want to make sure all of us all of us were we're a bit I think stressed out because we wanted to not because we're presenting but we talked about this several times We wanted to present a lot of value. We want to make sure people left And really felt like they got something out of it because these are not only are they fans of ours? but they're they're trainers and As we've said many times there are people, you know, these are the people we connect you to the most and so I'm like I want to make sure that they leave with something that they really benefit from our warriors in the trenches and I don't know about you guys man but afterwards I went home and and I thought about all the people that came up to me after and at that's on the Breaks and would telling me their stories of how Mine pump influenced them how they've changed the way they train people train themselves Some people told me that our show is what motivated them to become personal trainers in the first place I was I got a little emotional that night thinking about Just how much of an impact we are making for some people with the stuff that we do with the show It's it's fucking awesome. It's also a massive responsibility It really does make me feel You know It Reminds me of why we're doing this why we're doing all of this and I really feel it because sometimes You know, we do the show we see how many people are downloading the show You don't get to touch everybody and really talk to everybody all you see is numbers. Yeah, and We talk about all the time how the message of the fitness industry needs to change how the focus needs to shift how fitness and Wellness need to be the answer to the health epidemic the mental health epidemic the physical health epidemic But it feels like we're losing it always feels like we're losing because every time I read something It's more bullshit more bullshit information. We still are losing and we are but Seeing how we've impacted some of these people in Fundamental ways makes me feel like there's hope, you know, I'm saying like I see that that they're because Think about this, you know, we have these trainers coming to us telling us how we've totally changed the way that they approach fitness and health and how You know, they've changed they've changed the way they train people think about the people that they're influencing and then those people who they're influencing It's it's like we got it. What was it? Just recently on Q&A. We got asked if we missed Private training anymore. That's the reason why I said I don't at all I don't miss private training because everything that I loved about training one-on-one I feel I get that times a hundred doing what we're doing now and that's it this weekend was an example of that to Impact people literally all over the world right or at least all over the states, right? We had everybody out for all the way up from Alaska, Minnesota, Dakota. Well, it's cool now because we can put Face, you know to these names and these people in the forum and these people we talk to constantly But you know, there's something about like be physically being there and communicating with people It's it is it makes it more real and it it does it puts you back into kind of like, you know The original mission of what we're trying to accomplish and It's just nice to see that like some of these people have really responded to what we've been talking about And it's been very helpful in their career even so it's just I feel like we have a real chance Like I really really feel like we have a chance at changing things In fundamental ways just from talking to people now I agree. I think we are for sure It's just we're just not winning yet. That's all, you know There's no doubt in my mind that we're moving and we're moving in the right direction We're moving the fitness industry, right, but it's we're just not winning yet. That's all, you know There's a quo. I'm trying to find it right now Let me look it up here. There's a quo and it's something like every revolution begins with a tireless, you know, loud minority It's not revolutions don't start with the majority. That's why it's called the revolution Right if it was a majority then it would already already be there But they all start every movement every major movement that's happened in the world for the better Started because you had this loud and tireless minority that was passionate and and and Just really started to shift things and then you get this domino effect and that's what I feel like we have We have the ability to impact and change. I see it a little bit now I'm starting to see that the trainers that I'm meeting now, especially the ones over the weekend who are telling me Their approach to fitness and the things that they're talking about with their clients and the things that they're you know They've changed it with themselves. I didn't I never heard that before You know, I mean we've managed so many gyms and it's just these are things that we've never heard about or people talking about before now People are starting to talk about these things and it's fucking great, man And you know fitness is an interesting. It's an interesting industry. It's it isn't a fast-moving industry It's another thing that kind of gives me hope you see trends come and go so quickly That I think that this can become a trend that stays, you know Rather than just you know come and go so some of the stuff we covered on the seminar we taught The maps code so this is the underlying code behind programming your Well, this is based on maps I was excited to do that because I think it if there's one question that we've been asked the most on the forum And I feel that we people haven't got the answers to was you know teach us the programming How did you guys program and we've always kind of Stayed away from that not because it's not we don't want to share is that there's a lot that goes into it I think anybody that was here. I think understands that now like now that they've been there It's like oh, it's not just as simple like as you just throw a bunch of exercises together There's actually a lot of there's a major thought process that goes into How we chose the exercises the order we chose and the phasing all that stuff So I think now that we had an opportunity to share that with this core group I think there's a better understanding and appreciation for that cool because now you can see too There is a formula that we go back to and it's like it's the backbone of of everything we create however There is like a real like a unique mix that that creates You know this recipe for each one of these adaptations we're focusing on well The maps code is this kind of this overarching general code that you use to program workouts But it has a huge amount of flexibility Within it where you can design it around pretty much any Goal or adaptation that you're looking for And it leaves a lot to the trainer in the sense that If you're a really good trainer you can use that code to make amazing programs if you're a shitty trainer It's not going to make you a great programmer with workouts So it's just again it goes down to the trainer, but it does give them a scaffold You know this this this good scaffold that you can use and work off of to design programs because You know, we've worked with so many trainers, you know when you when trainers design a program for clients It's there's like one or two ways that they normally do it's either when they show up for the day Oh, cool. What are we doing today? This is what we're gonna do or it's you know, it's exercise based Okay, this person wants to work out So here's these great exercises that I'm gonna throw in to the workout versus this kind of you know Birds-eye view and then kind of coming down and narrowing it. So we were able to go over the maps code We went over Justin did a phenomenal job going over How to how to assess uh, both in person but also what's important is online. How do you assess an online client? That was a really really good part. We had dr. Brink Uh, demonstrate some of his that was fun having brink. Yeah, man He just really was able to break break down, uh, you know, some of like some of the people here too They got to Experience, you know what he's made us go through it. We were doing squats and what do you notice is right away And it's really impactful when you see it live and in person Dude, how cool was it when you had the trainer up with them who had ankle mobility issues who could squat? Yeah, and then he just changed one thing and well deep squat deep everybody in the all everybody was like, oh Whoa, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, he sees that like right away And then, uh, you know adam went over the social media component because all the trainers here You know wanted to build their business and grow and social media is just that's just whether you like it or not That is a major part of your business. Um, and if it's going to become a bigger part and so Um, moving forward, I think we'll be able to get more because it was kind of surface, right? All each one of those could have become a seminar all in all by itself I think in the future I see that being multiple days, you know being able to just get in, you know, much deeper So but we had a great time, man I want to thank everybody that showed up and we're definitely going to do more of these In the future. I think we have a good idea now what people want In the direction we're going to move and maybe turn this into some kind of a You know, maybe not necessarily certification But a course right that you can take that, you know, we'll help ensure or at least contribute to your success As a fitness professional so but uh besides all that, uh, how was your guys's weekend? Do you guys have a weekend after do anything else afterwards? Yesterday I hung I watched football all day along with my boys They I had uh both my buddies uh that came into town and we just kind of hung around and watched football all day I was wore out, man. I was tired. Did you get tired after that? Oh man, I was tired any time we So you got a lot of energy right? Yeah, yeah, any time we talk that long it just it's it's amazing How draining that is in comparison to like all the other physical things I've had to do in my life I always find that when we do like when especially when we travel to and we do like multiple shows and interviews once we push beyond like Three three four hours of talking straight, you know, it's like it just wears on you So I mentally drained, you know, so I think I came home that night just passed out You know, it's funny. He's uh, so my dad makes fun of me when I say that So my dad will be like, hey, how's how's work? You know, he's like physical rigorous act. He's like how's work? I'm like, oh Oh my god, I'm so tired. Yeah, I'll be like i'm tired and he'd be like you're tired But yeah, we had like you're pussy. We did like four interviews and it's like you're talking Is that your mouth is tired? Yeah, is that your face is tired, you know, it's it makes me laugh You know, because how do I what do I say? You can't you can't say anything back But you know what I've been on both sides, right? So I've been on both sides before I definitely had laborious jobs where I know what it's like to get up at four o'clock in the morning Work a 12 hour day and just be fucking exhausted physically and there's a there's definitely a difference And there's not to take anything away from either one of them Right like both of them in their own right is fucking taxing. Right exhausting It's a different exhausting like it's a when I when I used to do like work the ranch and stuff I would come home and there'd be time like I didn't even want to get my dirty clothes off I just lay down and just crash just because I'm just exhaust physically exhausted, right And but same thing here. I get this feeling but it's not my body doesn't feel exhausted It's my more my my head my head feels just like I don't want to talk funny because I This weekend I I finished up on this chicken run thing because like I was working this project. Yeah over the last like couple weekends just as something to You know my I don't know help my wife out and I just I got into it because it was like it's like mindless work for me So I'm just like tinkering and tooling and doing all this stuff like so she was off work So I was able to keep working on it and I don't know what it is But it just helps me to kind of like relax because I'm just I'm just tinkering and using my hands and what's a chicken run Well, I don't even know if that's what you call it, but it's just basically like an extension to the To the cage so they have more room, but they're not like Flying out and fucking shitting all over my deck and you know be an asshole. So Uh, yeah, I want to keep them like it's like it's like an extension to the prison Basically is what I just built. So are they free range? They're not free range then, huh? Well, I'll we will let them out, you know, and they'll go around but um, do they eat the bugs and shit? Yeah, they'll eat bugs But the problem is I don't want to let them out all day because that's when they just They're they're they're so stupid They literally just like come next to the sliding glass door and they stare at you and they like peck At you know the window and they're like, yeah, like trying to get in and I'm like go away You know go do something go get some bugs Like all they're doing is sitting there shitting looking at you like Let me in Just hitting their face on the window. Did you name your chickens? Yeah Uh, I didn't my my kids actually name. I think it's like Stupid names like uh, it's no white and like sparky and you know Yoda fucking I don't even remember the other one smoky or something. That's great. Yeah, super creative Yeah, so they let them name them like where so when you get their eggs They got the really like golden yolk probably for me in the bugs, huh? Oh, yeah Yeah, what makes you realize how shitty most eggs are, right? Yeah, no, no, they're amazing like super nutrient dense They look way different though, don't they when you crack them open they look different than most eggs Yeah, and each it's a lot different each chicken has like a different kind of an egg because we got like a couple different Breeds in there already Rhode Island reds One of them is yeah, and I don't know what the the white one is but like That's that's that's the one that that produces the most so oh really? Yeah, she's awesome Do you remember the other breeds you have or no? No, I don't know I wasn't like a clutch in that process Just make up a name You have any Washington cluckies It sounds like a be a good name Yeah, do you have any Boston beakers Boston penis chicken breeds like fucking basketball teams Like just like that's how it works the wizards Yeah, this is my wizard That's if Adam was a bird a chicken He'd be the wizard breed the wizard Yeah, no, but you know the we were talking about being exhausted It's interesting right because you get physically exhausted because your body You know you waste a lot of physical energy you build up a lot of waste products in your muscles That happens in the brain too, dude. Sure happens in the brain That's why I think that they're they're equally as taxing just in different ways totally different Yeah, just different systems right different systems are getting taxed more than others, but Overall since we're one big system It can be equally just as bad Yeah, when I leave these types of events or you know when we do like these these real mentally taxing podcast or whatever I don't want to talk anymore. I'll go home and I'm just I don't want to talk to anybody really Go away when you got home. Yeah. Yeah. No, and then my girlfriend's like tell me about what happened. I'm like That's exactly I I don't I can't talk my mouth my mouth doesn't work Katrina will ask and then just just from the hesitation that I give for the answer She already knows right away. She's like, oh, you don't want to talk right now, do you? So I'm like, well, you know, you can ask me question. I'd rather I don't want to just I don't have anything to share I don't have I don't have like a go like a point like to make right now But if you want to ask me questions like I'm not going to not talk to you But yeah, I don't really feel like talking. I can't wait to do another one, dude No, I'm excited. I cannot wait. No, I'm excited. This is I mean, let's be honest. This is what uh This is what we did. This is the ultimate goal It's what we it's what we did for most of our career like if they were to ask me my favorite parts of being in fitness It was not training clients. It's not learning about exercise. It's none of that shit. It was training trainers I mean that was 100 I enjoyed, you know developing other leaders more than anything else. I've ever enjoyed I got more uh more enjoyment out of that than anything else I've ever done So being here in the business now is it's exciting. It's exciting. It's fun It's gonna be a lot of work like that. So we'll see I was surprised how many young people Yeah, we had a kid was 17. We had a 17. It was so great. Did you talk to him? Uh, Jake? Yes, Jake's his name Jake, you're a fucking champ. He's just getting started. It was a 17 year old kid flew his ass over here from Alaska Yeah, so he flew from Alaska to just to attend our seminar and he's he's a baby And he's trying to build his business like that is a huge Like awesome sign. Did he ask you guys any questions or no? Yeah, we did. I made me about certifications He asked me a great question and I he asked me about like, uh, he was concerned This was before I knew his age and stuff like he did the first question he walked up to me. He says, you know, Adam he was you know Uh, I need I need to know like where do you what do you think? I potentially should should pivot to or do like, you know How you guys started off as trainers and then you moved in and you did this big thing of mine pump and everything He goes, I'm concerned that, you know, I don't want to just get stuck being a trainer But I don't know Also where I'm going to go from there and then like I'm like, well man We'll tell me a little bit about your your job now this that he's like, well, I don't know. I'm not even a trainer yet I'm only 17. I'm like, it's like damn bro. You're way ahead of yourself right now. I'm like I don't want to create any, you know glass ceilings Yeah, it's such a great quote like his heart was in the right place about it, right? But I'm thinking of myself like, bro, you don't even worry about that right now. How awesome is that? I know it's great 17 year olds. No, I'm like, I would even I'm not even thinking that way when I'm 17 years old Not at all. Not at all. Am I thinking that way? Uh, I'm like, you know, and he even caught himself. He's like, I just need to get my cert Just get started. Yeah, you gotta get the experience because I said, here's here's what will happen like You couldn't have asked, uh, any of us three guys, uh, when we were early on in our careers Did we think we were going to be doing this? None of us would have answered that 100% So you got to get in it. You got to start doing it and then something will will naturally come to you Well, you're going to find a knack somewhere. You're going to have a passion You're going to find certain types of people that you do really well with and let that guide and direct you Don't try and figure that out or force that because you saw us do something or someone else like You know, do you and do you the best you possibly can? And then let it unfold from there and you know pay attention as you go I had uh, I met a few I met a gentleman from Tennessee. Can't remember his name. The big dude. You know the guy that was in here Oh, yeah, yeah, real cool guy. He's been training for 15 years. So he's been doing this right around as long as we have He's a dad and he trains lots of people. He's like for him like social media, you know, because our generation, right? We didn't grow up with it. Right. So he's like, I hate the social media. So we had a nice conversation about that um, and he had he asked the question about like Your brand or what you do and I'm like, you are your brand like how you talk like everything you do Is your brand and I think it's kind of set off a light bulb for him and then I met a young lady I think her name was Avalon 20 I want to say 22 and she was asking about She's a trainer in a like a big box gym up in Vancouver. So she's from Canada And she want to know if she should Continue to move up the ladder Incorporate fitness or or that kind of atmosphere before going off on her own And I will almost always usually say yes, uh to most trainers I thought that you know, I want to share that on the show That if you're a young trainer and you're working in a big box gym There is so much you can listen to exactly what I told her so much you can learn From, you know, moving up in an atmosphere of the big box gyms Just because they're going to provide you all these opportunities and you can learn How much it cost to run a gym. Yeah leadership had to deal with a lot of volume of people You know what your profit and losses are how to deal with marketing You know prove yourself there learn there and then go off on your own Because I think a lot of people have that misconception, right that they can just go off on their own and then Succeed. Oh, yeah Well, it's it's it's almost naive to think that because you have when you have a place like that They've already proven that they can do what you're trying to do And they can then do it on another level that you hopefully probably want to get to one day, right? And even if you don't want you have no desire to potentially make a chain and a franchise and Be worth millions of dollars or whatever Knowing that you have the opportunity to work for a company that has gone through and blaze the trail in the field Or the industry that you're in There's so much insight that comes with that and that and you To not and to think that you can actually get paid to get it's education in a sense, right? It's going into a field and getting educated by Of somebody who has proven it in the industry already and then they're actually going to pay you To work there like that to me is invaluable. No brainer. Yes It's a no it's a no brainer to take advantage of that first before you were ever to step out and say hey You never know you never know you may do well in that environment, right? I have friends that do that for a living and our friend ryan who runs, you know Is the president now you have c james. He's doing very well and yeah very successful in it and um, it's it's a I'll tell you what it's I could probably say it's this working for 24 our fitness and managing and grand opening clubs and all that stuff for them Is probably the single most educational thing I've done for myself that applies to now what I do now in other words That really I mean owning my own facility. I learned a lot doing that as well, but If I never did that, I don't know. I don't think I'd be here Now that was such an impactful thing to work in a company like that and be exposed to all the good that they did And even the bad and all that stuff is pretty awesome. All right. Yeah, bird time bird This clause brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout All right, our first question is from spartan james. Would you ever program barbell or kettlebell complexes into a maps program? Didn't we? Yeah, we did. Didn't we have mass performance? Exactly. Yeah Yeah, in the durability phase. We had a kettlebell complex that was just mainly in there to uh for conditioning So I mean that's that's how I've pretty much used all these complexes uh in the past So if you're looking at muscle endurance that it's a great way to uh, you know Approach that as far as like that adaptation is concerned. So well, hence why it's in that program, too Right, it makes the most sense in a program like that in comparison to Red or black where you're either one more just purely strength focused or power direction And then on the other side of the spectrum with the bodybuilding Focus on kind of hypertrophy or muscle size and density Then you know when you're looking at an athlete that makes more sense to do complexes like right I mean when you guys well and the reason why I was wanting to address this too Is because like he was mentioning some guy. I think it was dan john uh that promotes it for muscle building muscle and Yeah, like so again, this this will go back to like what are you currently doing versus like, you know Adding this into to the mix, you know, we'll be a new stimulus that you know We'll create a different adaptation like muscle endurance, but um, it's not like, you know Like the way that we're using it is more for the conditioning elements that it provides Well, and the reason why we are because we don't think that it's the best way to build muscle Does it build muscle? Absolutely. Can it build? Can you use it to build muscle? Absolutely But I don't think it's the the best way to do that and here's the thing we could take anything We could take bands. We could take chains. We could take all kinds of unconventional tools And show that they all build muscle and you can use all of those tools just to build muscle If you just want to build muscle and you absolutely love to swing a kettlebell Absolutely, you can build some good muscle doing that and look great and But if if someone's gonna ask me heads up like okay If I all I got is a kettlebell and all I have is a barbell and what and which which can I do to build Muscle or which is better Well, it's like I mean, it's like a monster super set if you think about it You know, you're just like jumping from one movement to the next and so you just have to consider that You know, your quality is going to degrade As you as you get to the next and the next movement, you know in that sequence So of all the ways you can lift weights, it's to build muscle It's probably near the bottom for building muscle unless you're totally decondition Then you might build some muscle from it A complex is a circuit in essence, right? It's like four Typically three to five exercises done, you know back to back It is uh, the benefits come it are pure of the from it. Excuse me are purely performance based so Like we're saying strength endurance It's excellent for that the results in progress you get from them or are good in the short term The mistakes I see people doing with complexes is they stay on them For weeks and weeks and weeks because you see benefit right away They do burn a shit ton of calories. So you'll see yourself drop some body fat right away But similar to cardio if all you do is push complexes over and over again You will your body may start to adapt in a way where it becomes More efficient with calories because it's it's kind of like cardio with weights It's similar in the sense that you can you can get similar performance building Benefits with like sprints the difference is with kettlebell Excuse me with kettlebells or barbells or dumbbells and complexes Is you could target where you get the strength endurance a little bit more like if I want More strength endurance in my posterior chain Then I can design a complex that involves a lot of posterior chain movements If I want to have a lot of if I want to be able to maintain good proprioceptive ability While being fatigued I can definitely train it with a complex in the sense that You know, I'm going to be doing these different movements And some of them are going to be lateral some of them are going to be in the sagittal Some will be transverse and it's going to help teach me to become I feel like I feel like this is a crossfitter asking us this question And they are wanting to know if we would ever design a maps program that would look like that would be all that and no We wouldn't that's just it We would never design a program that looks that would be just barbell and kettlebell complexes because then it would be one face Because then it would be crossfit then it would be crossfit. That's what crossfit looks like It's just a bunch of fucking complexes like it's all it's a bunch of supersets all over the place and running and carrying weights Over your head and shit and guess what there's nothing wrong with that if you want to well, it's glorified circuit training, right? This is what it is. It's better right. It's a better version. It's better than curves You know, it's better than sitting on a machine. It is better than circle circle is hard, dude But I mean I feel like that's gotta be where this question is coming from But I we would definitely I could definitely see us running a phase of that like a three four week Portion of that. Absolutely. I could see I could see a whole section being a complex I could totally design like a super like I could totally barbell complexes all the time I could we could totally do this right if I were to put it anywhere in maps right now I would build it on as like the fifth phase of like maps performance and it's all kettlebell and barbell complexes To take the durability to another level. Yeah, right take the durability to a whole other level. There you go There's your fifth phase and then I would cycle out of it and go right back But it wouldn't be appropriate for everybody, right? No, that's just super intense too much And I'll tell you here. This is something we need to touch on. There are some exercises that are Absolutely Unsuitable for complexes exercises that are the worst ones to pick for a complex and those exercises that are better and it really breaks down to this the more Complex and technique focus the exercises the worst it is For a complex the more simple and basic the more it puts you in a compromising position with your joints This is this is why whenever I see somebody do Olympic lifting in a complex I want to slap them in the face snatch it is that is a horrible horrible exercise choice For a complex because When you pick a an Olympic lift Olympic lifts of all the lifts all the barbell lifts are the most complex They're the most complex form of of exercises in other words They require the most technique if you're doing an overhead snatch or a you know power clean You are you there's a lot of technique involved It's actually mostly technique that's involved with them power doesn't come in to the frame Until much later when you're an expert in that exercise When you inject that type of an exercise into something that's going to fatigue you because it's designed to you That's what complexes supposed to do supposed to fatigue the hell out of you Your technique starts to go down and with the slightest deviation in technique a snatch goes from safe to dangerous very quickly It's not like You know it's not like a kettlebell swing a kettlebell swing Although it's posture or chain and it does require some technique the load is centric for one. Yes. Yes I mean, that's the reason why like we chose that like I mean, it's it's a lot safer You know just from that aspect alone. I mean, it's more controllable And you know, it's very technique based if you want to really break down like a kettlebell swing So it's not necessarily like I'm going to go through this with slop, but At the same time like it once you bring the load like further out away from your body You know, you're going to put your body in more of a compromised position And if you and if you're if you're fatigued and your form breaks down a little bit with a kettlebell swing You you can get away with it right your form breaks down drop it the way that should start to break down with olympic lifts And you're fucked you're in a very very bad position. We've all seen the video So when you're picking exercises for your complexes Pick simple basic ones you have good technique to that you can get a little sloppy with if you get fatigued That doesn't mean you should get sloppy The other mistake I see people making with complexes is they go to failure on each exercise You don't want to do that. You want still want to maintain good form and good integrity With your exercises and you can still get very fatigued the point is to get through it, you know without like Mechanically, yeah, mechanically So it's if anything you want to like bring the load down a bit So you still can maintain good form But you're super, you know fatigued at the end and don't let your ego like take over like go lighter With the weight and perfect your form to make it more difficult versus going heavier So we got to mention thrive right now, Justin thrive market Uh, and I just tried that macadamia nut. Uh, what is that macadamia nut milk macadamia? What is that that you got there sweetened macadamia milk? I can never find that at Whole Foods It's always sold out. How much did you pay for it? How much did you pay for it? That's a good question? I don't know. You don't remember. It was cheap. So what do you use that for? You can put it on Surreal if you eat that which I really don't but I did find this paleo granola that they have And that's also pretty tasty. You just pour it right on there Yeah, the problem with the paleo granola though is you buy a bag of it and then you eat the whole thing in one sitting And so just like adam's cookies. Yeah, you end up eating a lot more calories than you wanted to so The other thing about thrive that we've mentioned a couple times is how they donate a membership To a family. That's a need. That's actually one of my favorite parts of this This company is that they're so conscious about helping other people with nutrition and you know wellness and giving them better options That when you get a membership with them They donate a membership to somebody who can't afford one so that they also have access to organic Or non-gmo, you know health foods that they normally wouldn't be able to afford because as we all know Hands down one of my favorite sponsors just because of that just because of the what they're doing right now And it's interesting to watch where they're going the space that they're doing is I think the future of how we're all going to receive food I think the days of Going to groceries those that know what's going on with amazon go stores So like where you just walk in grab your food and you walk out no scanning No nothing like in the future You're going to just either one get your stuff all shipped right to your house Just like thrive markets doing and a lot of this other online companies are or these type of amazon stores So it's cool to see somebody who's on the front end of that what they're doing. Yeah, that's really the heart of it I feel like You know for the longest time that was the the greatest barrier to entry for people to get to Healthy quality foods. It's just like it's way too expensive and to have a company like this like Where it's organized in a way where everybody contributes to lower the pricing together by building this community it's a powerful thing and You know this is one of those things That's why we want to stand by it because it's it's it's more than You know just just a marketplace It's it's a place where people can really kind of spread out Getting healthier foods to people that you know can't really afford it So basically as a listener you can get a free membership for 30 days You can also get 20 off your first three orders Of 49 dollars or more and I think they give you what free shipping to dug is that free shipping So what you do is you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump and you're going to get hooked up With all of that and then go on there. Check it out. Go through their site You know, it's not going to cost anything Look at their products compare the prices of their organic non-gmo products to What you would pay at your local grocery store or your local Whole Foods Their prices are between what I found on average about 20 lower Some cases as much as half So the prices are fantastic games. That's thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump Next question is from the Logan Doherty Listening to the old days of mind pump. Do you guys feel you have lost your rough edges? Mind pump as a media company is more professional now Do you miss the days of recording raw episodes and dugs living you guys sold out man? So corporate, you know, it's funny. We were where were we? Oh it was up in it was up in Tahoe And for the Spartan and we were just reminiscing we had long day work It was like it was like 11 o'clock at night or midnight and you know by this point now We're drinking and relaxing a little bit and we started reminiscing on some of our old episodes and We actually went back and I don't I none of us had listened to any episode. That was old right for a long time I hadn't listened anything in the hundred, you know Range or whatever episode range. We started playing some of them and yeah, we were pretty Topics were interesting man. It was you know, it was it's it's the natural progression of the show I I don't miss it. There's parts of it that I might miss like and I think I'm always trying to push us and challenge us to be A little more edgy or not be worried about ruffling too many feathers Because now it's inevitable right and doesn't matter what show it is There's always somebody who it disagrees or is pissed off or is unhappy or gets offended like So it's inevitable that happens every show now And and just the natural progression of that is because when you're doing stuff that is so over the top like that You tend to get more Of that type of attention and I think after a while I think you just get tired of having to deal with it and so it kind of naturally has shaped and formed the show Right. So I I don't know. There's there's pluses and minuses to both sides of that Like I I think that the future future of mine pump. I think there'll be a time where Um, we have some really off the rail stuff and then we'll have the typical mine pump what we do like right now You know, I feel like we had to do it that way, you know, like we had to come out guns blazing and and just You know be as ridiculous as possible. Well a lot of it too. I think it was fucking nervous I was just gonna say a lot of it a lot of it was I think I I mean Hope people I I feel like I'm a much better interviewer now today than I was 500 I was just gonna say if you listen to at least I try to work on my skill When you when you listen to our show, you're listening to us Really like truly us what's on our mind? What are we thinking about? What are we what direction are we going? with fitness and wellness in our lives in our personal lives and It's just a complete reflection of us. It's very unrehearsed very unscripted You know, we just sit down and go and in the early days, I mean We were it was definitely nervous. It was not only was it nervous out of a jazzy on our mind I think I think we were nervous I think we were we were we were swinging real hard because we wanted to you know get attention analogies and The three of us didn't although our chemistry is always awesome The three of us didn't know each other nearly as well as we do now So it was almost there were definitely episodes where it was like Let's see who can out. Yeah, we're like one up in each other. Exactly. And so I think that's what you're hearing a lot of But you get us on the right day and we'll still have an episode like that We do every once in a while we'll throw out an episode like that where to me. I like it more like it is now It's way more natural because all any sort of nerves or anything that we had in the past Obviously after 600 episodes is completely gone, right? So this this has become Not only a habit. It's become therapy. It's become something extremely natural And that's just anything you do, right? If you put enough What is it once you put 10,000 hours and you're considered a master and something like that? And we're not quite there yet, but we're we're up there You know, we're getting up there in hours that we've actually been doing this for And so and I still think we are refining the skills Uh, and I like it, you know, I do miss some of the the topics and off the chain stuff But like Sal said, I think we still kind of revisit some things where we now and then we'll shock enough purposely Yeah, like if we're in the mood, I don't feel like that's something like we won't touch So it's just that now we're we're just trying to kind of Refine and polish our message more and I think that's why we're we might sound a little more corporate, you know It's interesting. So yeah, right No, you know what no is arcade. Justin had the hardest time with that for sure He was he was mr. Pushback on that more than anybody was being so afraid. We're gonna be like everybody else It's just like I hate that I don't like to blend into everybody else's shit Like I want us to be uniquely us, you know, always You know, and it's that here's the other thing too that a lot of companies run into when they start off small and have a really tight Fan base and then they start to succeed in every business. Look at here's the deal every business that is massive now started with a very Uh, uh, you're very dedicated fan base every single one starbucks mcdonald's, you know anything you can think of At some point they were small, but they had a very dedicated loyal Fan base and that's what made them big and inevitably there's always gonna be those people that's like You know, you sold out or uh, you know at the same or whatever and it's like listen You know When when you when we were small you wanted to succeed and now when we are Right, you're changing because it didn't go the way you planned it to go Well, no, I just think people don't feel as special You know what I mean? Like they think like that. Oh, I'm the only one that knows about the like how many people will listen to music And then all of a sudden it's on the radio and they're like, I don't like it Oh, I think it's a little bit of that and I think it's a little bit too of some people do when it's on like a commercial Not a lot of people think about like and understand all the other intricate parts of a business You know at least once it gets to a certain point, you know There's it's one thing to think like think yourself And if I was doing this and if once I started making this kind of money or this started I would do it like this and I would do it like that. Well, okay Well things that you think of right now is only goes this far and there's so much more to that Unless you've built something like that and I think anybody Who has built anything like mine pump or or much bigger? Completely understands and knows and knows what what happens and what what it goes into it and The work that we have to do and I think those people really understand and you're right I think there's early on early adopters that Feel that you we lose coach. Let's be honest when we first started the fucking forum, you know There was 10 people one day, you know, and there's all and there was only 10 There's three of us we had like an anti-form we talked to we talked to it. Yeah, right? You remember that? So they're there. We had an anti. Yeah. Well, it was kind of it was the it was the The og's all started their own where they could where they could talk whatever inappropriate shit because we started to censor the forum Like like listen, we can't put things that are like totally inappropriate like I mean we we get people a lot of free Yeah, so we Was it but you know what and and you know what that forum died, you know, it didn't it didn't keep going because You know, we the main reason why people are in that forum gave the main one There's lots of reasons why lots of people are but the main one is to get a strong community where you can meet with Other like-minded people that are growth-minded and they want to learn like that's for sure the number one reason Then there's a lot of other reasons. It's fun. It's a reflection of the show All these things like that But we have to still keep it for the you know, for the main reason we have to cater to that like it's got to be People connecting to each other people helping other people grow learn more about health We want the bigger things we want people to change and it's not to say that we don't love the freaking crazy You know, it's funny. I love being crazy. I'm thinking about like it's very interesting when you really think about like I remember when we would all meet And sit down and record the show Uh, it was a different feel it was like, okay, here I go I'm gonna record like I got to get you know, and you kind of get psyched up and you get you know Hyper and you ready to do it and and it's gotten so natural now that when we did the seminar with the trainers I was way more Yeah, but anxious and nervous doing that The second we came into the studio to record with everybody watching all of a sudden as soon as we sat in our chairs Did you guys feel like I'm home like relaxing. Yeah, like let's cross our legs I know this is like our safe spot. Isn't that weird? Yeah, that's great. Yeah Next question is from jam wardle It is said that you are the average of the five people you surround yourself with Who are the five people who have helped mold you into the person you are today? Oh, man That could all of history. I know right. That's kind of a heavy question. Well, it's Here's the deal with that and that's a really really fucking tough one to answer because Those circles have continued to change over over the last 15 20 years of my life 100 percent. There is definitely a core group of people that Influenced me from my teenage years into my early 20s And there was a core group of people that influenced me in my early 20s to my mid 20s from my mid 20s to my 30s And then currently now I wouldn't put Justin or Sal in part of that for that first five back in my 20s because I didn't even fucking know them But I most certainly would count them in that Circle right now with where we're at in our lives currently because I obviously spend more time with them than anybody else So it's really tough to say that I think what's important about that Was when I made that when I finally and it wasn't until my Amid to late 20s that I actually put that together Did I start looking at things differently? And let me give you an example So forever and this is part of my mo Is I attract people That uh that need help right so I've always been the father figure in my own family. And so part of my my Breakdown or my mo is that I attract myself to women and other people that like want to learn and that I like to teach I like to teach and help and grow them Well, if I'm constantly surrounding myself from these people These are all people and john c maxwell talks about this in the laws of leadership That if I'm always surrounding myself with people that are trying to become tens and they're all fives Like I will never break beyond five. I'll never push beyond that because that's hot That's what I'm surrounding myself with so it's the laws of leadership So if I'm gonna elevate myself I got to start surrounding myself with others that are ahead of me that I can now learn from So I didn't put that together until my like mid 20s and realized that and so now when I'd have a relationship And it would be very tough. These are tough decisions Or I'd be sitting around and like here's my five core, right? And I've got my buddy mark who's killing the game and I'm learning a ton from him And he's a he's a definite leader and somebody who was very impactful and pushed me in different directions My other buddy austin very similar like that at that time But then maybe I have one or two and I'll just use fake names not to put somebody on front street Like, you know, mike and richard and mike and richard, man We're boys we go all the way back one since we were younger and they're fucking so fun to go out and party with Like they're my vegas boys like we like craps. We do cards all the time together We have good time together man, and I really enjoy their time But boy, they're fucking, you know, one of them is addicted to drugs all the time The other one's partying on the weekdays not really go. They both work kind of nine to five jobs Not really going much anywhere direction wise neither one of them are entrepreneurs But I fucking love them. I love to hang out with them That's a really tough situation to be in that I think a lot of people get stuck there And at one point I have to start to realize that They're not they're no longer serving serving me anymore And people when they first hear that they're like, oh, that's a really fucked up way to look at Relationships with people but no that's not people people when they say that it's threatening to them to hear that right It's very threatening to hear that because then you think oh well, you know People are not going to want to be my friend because or whatever or you know, it sounds selfish First off you got to love yourself more than anybody else. That's just number one You cannot pour from an empty cup You can't if you truly want to help people and this is just for me This is one of my driving forces that I just really really feel called to help people I can't help anybody if I don't help me first Then who am I to help anybody or what where am I helping people from if I'm not myself not taking care of myself So you're in your top five say what you're in your You actually you are always in your top five. Who else who do you hang out with more than yourself? Right, right? Nobody um, you make love to yourself more But Sounds like well, I'm probably four of the five If you but if you it's a close between Between out of I'll tell you what it is sound and clone sound It is a difficult thing to be a grower because when you're growth-minded. I'm a shower you will find yourself Yeah, you're not When you uh, when if you're if you're a growth-minded individual It's difficult because there's not a lot of growth-minded individuals around So what you're going to end up finding throughout your life is you will outgrow A lot of the people around you you'll have mentors you have people you're working with and growing with and then all of a sudden They're going to feel like anchors. They're going to feel like you can't move you can't you can't keep growing now That doesn't mean you don't love them before they feel like anchors Even before that they'll they will slow you down. You just don't realize it You don't you may not realize it because you justify it because you enjoy all the other things about them in their relationship You enjoy the fun you enjoy the humor the whatever things you guys have in common But if you become like sal said if you become somebody who is A growth-minded person where you are looking to be a better version of yourself every single day Well every day that you find yourself hanging out with these people you either stay stagnant or potentially regress And so when you start looking at it like that and that's the five numbers like really generic because I wouldn't think it's five now I think it's a lot more than that I mean I I have the the pleasure to interview and speak to on a almost daily basis You know brilliant minds and I don't just talk to them on the show I get to hang out with them afterwards and communicate with them via text like And I you better you bet your ass if you've heard somebody on this show That has impressed the hell out of me. I'm fucking talking to them Like I don't just interview them and then say see you later Like if you made an impact with me when I met you and we talked and I'm like fucking inspired by you I'm not letting you go We're trying to get into new circles too and the of influencers like people that will kind of take us in catapult us and bring in a new element where growth can happen and I think that Um at the core like so there's you know, like we're at now like obviously, you know with with sellon adam This has been a process for me to just explode in growth and just being around that type of energy And you know, like I'm saying it's changed over the years like there's always like a core A group that I have to kind of attach myself to because I know that You know, I'm I'm gonna get to feedback and I'm gonna get this type of important information from other people about myself to to really reflect on and See areas and holes and things that I can improve on and so That's been an essential component for me. Uh, you know throughout my my entire process I remember my one of my first mentors when I first got into this industry And somebody I looked up to someone who really taught me a lot was one instrumental In my development as a trainer and a business person and I also remember the day that I outgrew him and Uh, it was difficult. It was very very difficult because When you reach that point You know that you no longer connect with the person like you used to And sometimes that person is actually threatened by it You'll actually notice this you'll you'll you'll you'll grow with someone they'll stop They will feel threatened by your growth and then all of a sudden you argue you fight Um, it's no longer a relationship that that's conducive for anybody And you ask yourself and it's fucking sucks though because you end up asking It's like what happened dude like we were so close and now we can't even we don't really get along And you just you just outgrew him. It's a very difficult. It's a very difficult process What's really common is we tend to we tend to latch on to people To attractive qualities that we find in someone that we want for ourselves And I'll give you an example like so I would have a relationship with a friend Who like is just fucking he's killing it business-wise like his level of understanding is just another he's extremely financially successful And I'm attracted that so I surround myself that person And then I learn everything I can and that may be that may take years They may be a good close friend of mine for five six seven years And then something sometimes happens like what you're talking about right now So sometimes this this person could remain in your life forever because they're also growth minded But sometimes these people happen to have a skill that they've fucking harnessed really really well That you're attracted to and you like and you learn that skill because you're growth minded But they still have stayed the same and you're still growing beyond that That happens a lot and it also is not always related to you know money and finances sometimes your growth is focused in other areas So I've also like and katrina is a great example for this for someone for me because katrina I we when we first met It was me sharing books with her that were like business and leadership related and that's how we first started talking And she's the one that's really helped me like with my like self-love and my my personal relationships and communication and other parts Of my life that has nothing to do with making money and business And so I continue to grow and she influences my life like that also So it's not always going to be somebody who May make you better financially sometimes it does sometimes it's in other areas But you're always looking for people that are helping you grow and you're hoping that you attach yourselves to other people that are Growth minded also so you can continue that relationship can continue to grow and you stay friends for a long time But she's I remember katrina really helping me let go Of friendships that they stopped, you know and they and that was it She's like, you know, you can't look at it like You're a bad person or it's such a bad thing It's that you guys outgrew each other or you grew in different directions Or you served each other a purpose in each other's life at that time and there's nothing wrong with that You guys were great friends. You guys did this together. You accomplished all that you learned a lot from each other Now he's going this direction. You're going that direction and what's hurting you more than anything else is that you're fighting to hold on You're fighting to hold on to it because you've made a personal connection for all these other reasons And you don't want to let it go and so you're hanging on but it's actually hurting you more and it's actually regressing And growing is scary Yes It is because when you shed your skin because that's literally what happens when you grow You shed your old self because whether you like it or not we identify with The things that we do and the way we think and you know The actions that we make when you shed that when you're all of a sudden no longer the You know insecure kid who's building muscle. He wants to build muscle all the time or you're no longer You know, I got to be the best performer or whatever or I'm no longer You know got to be the best son or the best, you know, whatever husband or When you start to shed those things and in change It's scary because now what it's new and in like shedding skin You're you're sensitive. You're sensitive to the world. You're a person if it's not you're not doing the right thing If it's not fucking hard That's when you know you're on to something when you start finding yourself in more of these types of conversations And going through most of this stuff because it's like fuck this isn't easy But on the other side of that is growth like that is once you break through that Then you learn to be okay with that and that takes that's a process and my fuck. I'm 36 years old I'm just now piecing that together, you know, so it took a while, you know, I'm one thing that I learned was to You know, I kind of did this a little naturally, but now I really thrive on it is seeking out what I can learn from other people and Not only seeking it out, but you have to kind of humble yourself Because sometimes you'll find somebody actually many times you'll find someone who you don't want to be like that person But they have something that you can really learn from this was difficult for me early on Where I'd see somebody who try and teach me something or I could learn from them But because I didn't I thought they were idiots or in other areas like well that person I'm not going to learn from them But you can learn a lot from most people most people can mentor you In some way and I've had the opportunity to Be surrounded by some brilliant people as I've moved along, but I'll tell you what we're doing this with you guys I have never felt as challenged as I do now and it's a good thing. I feel like uh, the growth is like It's like a fucking tornado of just continuing to push each other and push each other and push each other Without ego, which is also different. It's not this ego driven. I'm better than you. You're better than me type of thing It's like You know, we're all just we're more like rather than all of us saying let me teach you We're all saying let me learn from you. Yeah, which is a very strange. Let's all elevate It's a it's a very different Atmosphere from one that I've ever been in where I was either with someone who's teaching me or I'm teaching someone else It's more like all of us are like let me learn from you You know and it's just it's it's awesome. All right Next up is cady taylor fit. Do you believe some people no matter how hard they work? Will never be successful at bodybuilding or do you think you can outsmart your body's metabolism structure, etc With enough effort. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. This is a good question. Yeah, there are dead 100 percent first off Uh with hard work Nutrition, you know with the right uh programming all that stuff You can make a dramatic change in how your body looks you can make a dramatic change in how your body performs You have a capacity a natural capacity and Most of us are nowhere near The limits of what that capacity are that being said if you don't got the genetics to compete in bodybuilding successfully All the hard work efforts steroids in the world ain't gonna make you a champion bodybuilder Well, I think I think that's true for I think any I think it matters on what you define Successful as so If if I'm if I if I don't consider myself successful in bodybuilding although I made it to the professional level That was a goal of mine and I set a goal of mine to do that because I know that I don't belong there I know that I don't have I didn't have the the gifts. I don't have good symmetry I wasn't built to be a bodybuilder But I also believe that with hard work and all those things that we talk about that you can Build a competitive physique and I can be competitive, but I'll never be the best I'll never be the best and I it's not oh, that's me giving up. It's not that at all It's that that's I wasn't built for that sport. It's it's no different than me saying that I'll never be the best at baseball. Can I play can I work at it? Can I be better? Can I can potentially compete with some of the best in the world? Maybe but I'll never be the best like I wasn't built structurally to be that person Bodybuilding's even more so this way because it's a visual aesthetic that actually the difference in size of limbs and muscle bellies Makes a difference and everybody is genetically different from each other And though some of us are way different than others and some of us that are probably better at sports and other things Like like I always refer to me being like built like a swimmer or a basketball player I'm a better I would have a better chance at being great at basketball or great at swimming Than I would at bodybuilding that doesn't mean that I can't have somewhat of a successful career as a bodybuilder because You could argue that I kind of did right? I went all the way up to the professional level But I couldn't have stayed at the professional level And won and made a full career off of that nor would I ever fooled myself to think that So I mean I think it really depends on what you mean by success because I think you could argue that anybody could get up and That might be a successful for them right right competing in the right just to say you got up there and and and look good I think anybody can Shred down and look and present their physique and and also work on their weak areas to have a you know decently symmetrical physique, but No, I there's definitely a genetic component that will make a big big you got to think to yourself that you have a capacity. So imagine Well, who is it that said like genetics is the is the bullet in the gun and epigenetics is like pulling the trigger Right, so you have this capacity That was chris. You was a chris. You have this capacity For performance physical mental like all aspects of performance That capacity there's a large range within that capacity from the absolute worst you could be To the absolute best you can be it's a fucking wide chasm Of where you can where you can play and that's your decisions That's the decisions you make with your actions with the food you put your mouth With the how hard you work and the study you do or you know all these different things That determines where you fall in that capacity But you're ultimately your capacity is determined by Your genes right this goes for mental capacity too You know you could definitely bust your ass work hard get a master's degree in a phd and many different fields But are you going to be in einstein? Are you going to be a da Vinci? Are you going to be well there's don't you think too? Like just with this sport of bodybuilding It's it's tough because of the subjectiveness of it right So like there's a lot of people in the gym that think that just by taking steroids They're going to be awesome and huge and you know present themselves on stage and look Amazing because like any other sport you're going to know right away whether you suck You know like this is going to take some time to develop and and go through the process of like Oh, wow, you know my body really isn't responding like the way I thought it was well I could I could look at somebody so I mean I'll be completely honest when when I chose Melissa to help her for her show There was no doubt in my mind, you know I could take her to a first place position with the the physique that she already had And that's not to take anything away from the hard ass work that she put in to get on stage But I've also trained tons of other bikini competitors like her before her That worked just as hard and followed everything that I showed them and they didn't place top too You can just see that body. Oh right away right away I can see it at male or female because there's certain things that they look for right if you're If you're a very unique combination of things you need to have there is a guy a guy needs to have this Small waist to shoulder ratio with these Nice beautiful big quads and symmetrical calves to his shoulders And if you if you don't kind of have that symmetry already, it doesn't mean that you can't create the illusion You're looking at somebody who did that like right away Like I I didn't just all of a sudden come out and start competing and then also now I was actually hanging there I just trained for a year before I even had the balls to get on the amateur stage And then trained at the amateur level then get up to the professional level It was a good two and a half three years on top of the 15 years Of lifting weights that I had already previously put in to sculpt a physique that could even potentially Hang with some of the best in the world and I know damn well when I get up there at the professional level that I'm looking at some of the guys and I'm like dude. We're just you're better than I am you are You're just you have a better overall package You have to have the right bone structure Wide shoulders and narrow narrow hips and waist you have to have the right Muscle structure long muscle bellies, which is you know, so to combine that now It's the odds of having the bone structure with the odds of having the Long muscle bellies with the odds of having the type of genetics where your body likes to build muscle And it also likes to be lean So now you got those three combinations going on it's no different than this It's no different than and I like to use extreme analogy so people can draw this because this gets kind of blurry for people Like well, I don't understand. What are you saying? Well, look at how many You know four foot five or four foot ten there with there's people out there that are shorter than five foot How many of them play in the mba? You just don't see it now. We've had people like spud web come along right That's a five foot guy who could dunk a basketball and it's just just total anomaly five six or no He was short and there was five foot dude five. Yeah, he was yeah. He was short man. He was real short So but yeah, but the the point is that is it possible could someone like spud web come up there and play with the pros Yes, you can but he is like So you rare right and the work that he probably put in to hang at that level It's just it's not advantageous for the average person that that that's built that way to probably try and do that The same thing goes for bodybuilding your how many how many seven foot bodybuilders are there Doesn't mean you can't be seven foot and be a bodybuilder. You can be about five seven five seven Well, they always five seven they embellish those. Yeah, embellish those numbers still dude the guy. That's only five seven No, I know that's impressive. Yeah. Wait, is it who's that guy five three bugsy bugs is another one. Yeah Yeah, so so you have a handful of these guys that have ever done that So yes, you can be I think you can be successful at bodybuilding and not have the genetics But boy, you are definitely working against your odds if you aren't built for that and those that are Even the ones that were built for it. I've got to work their ass off Anybody who's in the mba worked his ass off to get there anybody who's at the professional level of bodybuilding worked his ass To get up get there basically here's what you need to think about you want to become the best version of yourself That's it. What is the best version of me? And I'm not just talking about bodybuilding. I'm talking about overall What is the best version of myself intellectually? Physically health wise, you know, spiritually the way I communicate to people the way my relationships are with people All of us have this incredible capacity For doing things in all these different, you know realms And if we just dedicate ourselves to trying to become the best versions of ourselves I think you would be fucking shocked. You'd be shocked at what you can accomplish forget about Yeah, but yeah, but you're you're also I mean this person's asking specifically about bodybuilding. What if this kid really wants to bodybuild? Like it's not fair for you to tell him You know, this is where you should go. Like if you want to compete in a sport, can you do it and not have the genetics? Sure, you can but just know what you're getting into. That's all I'm saying Like I don't think I'm not going to tell you that you need to go on this hippie crunchy fucking walk Like sal's talking about right now Like you if you want to bodybuild and it's something you're passionate about and you love you by all means follow your passion but Be ready for be ready for what you're stepping into if you look at yourself in the mirror and you are taller or way shorter or you look at your muscle symmetry Okay, compare your chest your shoulders your legs how balanced you are We've all had remember those kids in school when we were all 16 17 years old And he has he already had biceps and shoulders and he barely ever touched weights if ever and he already kind of had a muscular Kind of physique That those are the guys and girls that bodybuilding they were they were built But the other thing too is I mean we look at the question, you know This this this mentality and yeah, I did go that way that route, but you got to look at the mentality behind this, you know People are told that no matter what you want to accomplish. You can with enough effort Uh, you know what we just work hard enough and well, and that's not a bad message Effort is efforts one thing hard work and intensities and other things Sure, but my point my point is that there's nothing necessarily wrong with that message, uh, but Um, a lot of people especially when it comes to bodybuilding, you know, they they lie to themselves because God damn it. They got they don't look at them. They don't look at themselves the right way They don't think of themselves the right way. They want it to happen so bad and I I see more people I'll tell you what right now. I know what you're doing. I know you're giving great advice. It's not that I know you're giving great advice and uh, it's I'm just saying that I want to be clear that absolutely is possible But listen, I mean I I had to take steroids. I had 15 years under my belt already The the amount of work and training that I put in to get it at that level was fucking unreal Could and I could have stayed in that world and just kept doing that and been magazine cover guy and sold Programs by myself and done a thing and maybe been successful all by myself But I had no fucking desire to do that if you do maybe that's what you want Maybe you don't have what it takes, but you're willing to put whatever it is to be there Like who am I to tell you you can't have your dreams. Just know what the hell you're stepping in You see more people Abusing their body in worse ways trying to do well at this greed agreed than the ones that sometimes succeed I agree You know, I think people like so to come from more of like From my experience with football like I knew I was good at football, but I was good. I wasn't great You know like I went through the entire process and went to the next level then went to the next level and found out Okay at this level Everybody's kicking the shit out of me. Everybody's bigger than me. Everybody's stronger than me You know faster like I could put even more work into the weight room if I wanted to And just grind my ass through that to to try and even like stay on par But at that point I'm just staying on par barely and then the level after that is like is an entirely different dimension So I'm not like I just had to realize like dude. I went pretty far cool, you know, like that's it for me So it unfortunately reality is going to set in at some point like look And my body looks like this. I look great awesome I did a lot of fucking great work But I'm not going to be a champion and that's that's reality and I wonder how many people miss their Maybe they're calling because they get so stuck in one Thing that they want to do so well then but they're maybe not suited for yeah, don't identify with it You know try it out. See if it's you'll you'll be the best There's there's a there's a lot of learning lessons that can come with that You know, I think there's I think that's and that's why where I keep coming from is that I'm not I don't want to I think Sal's giving great advice But I also don't want to discourage somebody to not do something because I'll tell you something right now Half of what made the competing thing so rewarding for me was knowing That what I was doing was so hard. I knew that like I wasn't supposed to be here I know that I don't have it, you know, I'm saying so it's like it made it more It made it more challenging and more rewarding. You learned a ton going through it, right? Yeah And it forced it forced me to be more dialed than somebody who can probably get away with Cheating and cutting some corners because you can how often do we see that in sports? Right all sports not just bodybuilding where somebody who is just genetically gifted Who doesn't put half the effort and work in and they're and they're still better than that guy or girl Who's fucking practicing every single day. It's the same thing. Oh, I used to kill me I used to have trainers that work for me and they're just Kill me like I'd see them eating garbage. Yeah, and then they go out and donalds and yeah And they go shredded. Yeah, they do skull crushers like 200 pounds and it's like we had to come for those Yeah, you know god damn it right right So, you know, there's there's something to be said about you know Getting involved in a sport that you're not built naturally to do and knowing that maybe I'm not best for this But hey, you know what? I'm going to work my ass off to see how far I can get and get compared to these people I think I think if you're a listener of our show, hopefully if you've been listening for a long time that I think we've given enough good healthy advice and and relationship body image stuff. I think we talk about that all the time um, I don't think it's fair of me to Totally detour somebody from competing that may not have the genetics for it because I 100% know that I'm not You know, I know I know what the fuck I look like right now I know what I look like when I'm taking just my trt dose of testosterone And I'm just lifting weights like a normal person three to four times a week I know what the fuck I look like I don't if I take my shirt off right now Nobody would walk by and go like hey that guy's a bodybuilder. Nobody would not one person So it's it can be done and you can't and you can't do it It is I'm okay with that. That's it's it's okay to to be okay Then it's okay also to know that and go after a goal to prove something to yourself because that's what that was about for me It was like it is it was like I can prove to myself that Against all odds not having a coach not having a team not having the genetics Watch me fucking do this and that was and to me like that was extremely rewarding It taught me a lot about myself. It did a lot of things for me character wise yada yada yada So, you know what just know that absolutely genetics make plays a huge fucking role And you may you may have a body type that does not suit you for what you're about to go do There's also a lot of stuff you could do in bodybuilding besides competing You really like bodybuilding that much you could become a coach. You could be a trainer You know, you could be like honey who obviously could never step on stage But you know, he you know, he's he's apparently a good coach, you know No, you're right. You're right body body building There's a difference between bodybuilding as a sport and then just being in a bodybuilding because technically when you think about it And a lot of bodybuilders like to tell this to people is that We all are bodybuilders We all are in a way you're building your body Yeah, all of us are trying to build muscle and burn fat Which is really the same thing that a bodybuilder is doing. They're just taking it to a whole extreme level I'm going to put that on my instagram now. We're all bodybuilders. We are all bodybuilders like like a flag That's a perfect way to get on 239 That's nice. Hey, check this out. Go to youtube subscribe to mind pump tv We just posted An awesome video actually pretty soon. We should be posting up some videos of our seminar So you kind of see some of the stuff we went over Also, uh, instagram that's the place to ask us questions That we answer in episodes like this one Mind pump media is the page. 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