 All right, we are now live. Welcome to the OE Global Conference Recap. I'm Alan Levine and we've got a group of people here to share some of the excitement that's still happening, 42 days since we left Edmonton and whatever the Newark quest people did to make the weather good. It's definitely working, right Dawn? Cause you still have nice weather there. We do. It's like one degree right now. We have no snow. It's hovering, you know, we've had lots of frost, but we're still waiting for snow. Maybe white Christmas will come. I hope so, hope so. But the weather has been really mild, which is what we were hoping for for OE Global. Well, among many things, it was perfect. And one of the standout things that we all know is the fabulous hosting that Norquist College provided for this and also monumental being the first community college to host this conference, which we will say often because it is very key. So one of the things we just wanted to, obviously those of us who were there and those who watched could see that was a great experience. There were things we know that went very well, including the Norquist College hosting, as well as the themes that we were introduced of Indigenous ways of learning and sustainability. And so there are things we know that happened, but we're really hoping to surface some of the stories or things that people experience at the conference that really stand out for them. And that's why we've gathered this illustrious group here today of people from our side and from the Norquist side and also a couple of conference presenters and participants. And so I'm really glad to have everyone here. And I'm going to flip things over to my colleagues and OE Global co-directors, Igor Lesko and Marcello Morales to kind of kick things off because A, they were behind the scenes like creating this thing, like this time last year, this was put into motion probably. And also that they bring this rich experience of having been part of OE Global for so long and to see this evolution of conferences. So welcome Igor and it's great to have you here. Thank you very much, Alan. And welcome to everybody else. Thank you for arranging this session. It's lovely to see everybody here as well. And I hope that some participants watching on the YouTube channel as well. Yeah, it has been a wonderful experience I must say. And thank you again to our counterparts at Norquist. It has been almost like a month since we hosted the conference. It was a wonderful experience. And I think that we are still in a process of reflecting about the entire event. But what we have been hearing so far is just like really positive feedback. People really had a good experience at the conference and they really formed some new bonds and networks and it's leading to some new partnerships and collaborations. And we are really pleased to hear that because that's one of the reasons, one of the main reasons that keeps coming up consistently in that is in as a feedback from the attendees for us in terms of their motivation for attending the conference. So we are very pleased about that. And I think that in terms of the takeaways or what resonated with me in particular, I think there are many of them actually. So I think we could spend like another three hours sitting here and talking about different aspects of the conference. But what really resonated with me in particular, I think was about the importance of indigenous knowledge, the indigenous ways of knowing or the traditional knowledge alongside the Western based knowledge systems. And especially about the importance of indigenous knowledge or traditional knowledge in addressing, pressing societal challenges. And I think in particular what resonated with me from these keynotes was the Kaila Larsen's keynote. I think eventually I've also talked about the kinds of tensions that exist when it comes to sharing traditional knowledge and that are certain cultural nuances that need to be treated with care and consideration, especially in the context of producing, in our context, open educational resources that involve indigenous leaders or indigenous knowledge. And so what really was helpful for me was the framework that Kaila shared during her keynote that six hours of indigenous OERs, which then serves as some sort of ethical framework that people need to keep in mind when producing indigenous-themed OERs or involving indigenous communities in the production of OERs. So that's particularly what resonated with me as one of the aspects, plus the sense of community and bringing people together because the overall atmosphere and the ambience during the event was excellent. And again, that comes back to also to our local co-host, the Northwest College for the fantastic work that I've been doing along the way. Thank you very much. And I'll jump in, Alan, just very briefly to say also, thank you, thank you to everybody. And I want to just acknowledge Robert. Hello, Robert. And thank you for everyone for being here and going back to your question, Alan, what was, so the building the conference for us, it's a year round effort for OER Global. So the energy builds up for many months. So by the time that we get there, we are all energized and really hoping for things to go well. And every year happens that we're a little worried at just at the top of the beginning of the event. But this year, our colleagues at Northwest really do the house out of the window, as we say in Mexico. We just love the energy being there, having the opportunity to finally be in person in the same room after being working with the team for so long, having that opportunity is just priceless for me. So in addition to what Igor is saying about the indigenous ways of knowing and being threaded into not only the program, but the way that we've worked together, we could pick it up in many little places and ways and the title, the way that we work together, the tracks, how the program was built, and then being able to see it everywhere. So it was an extraordinary experience from the planning side of things. And then being there and seeing the community sharing their work, and for us to be able to also see how the community is doing that, the collaboration piece to me was key and very evident and present in everything that we do and how the community is doing the same from the other side. And definitely the piece that for me is so important every year going back to a reference that you were saying of how many conference Igor and I had been able to participate is just being able to be in the same room with the people that will work all around the world. Having that opportunity to be face-to-face is also just priceless to me. And this year was extraordinary, just everything seems the organizing the process, the meetings online and then being able to be there. And now even after being able to be here and saying how wonderful it was, it just displays how wonderful it was. So thank you very much for everyone. And well, that's my two cents for now. Thank you so much Marcel. And yeah, I think like many, I heard many people talk about like this realization of being in the same space for many like me, it was the first post pandemic conference. And I kept saying like, wow, you're taller than you are in Zoom. Like everybody's the same size in our little boxes, but it was more than that. It was that human connectivity. And one of the things that I wanted to make sure that we introduced, like I wanna get some people who aren't OE Global on the planning side because we've been close to the forest and that's why I reached out to Jenny Hamman first because Jenny's a good long time colleague. But like I saw Jenny in every session, she was like fully engaged, she was asking questions. And so I could see it's like, Jenny, how was this conference experience for you? Well, I think I would begin with gratitude for Norquests facilitation. It was really fun, Robert, actually to see you so front and center as a practitioner. Often what we see when universities are co-hosts is the president of the university and so on. It was really nice to actually see practitioners on the ground really involved and really caring, obviously there was a lot of care that went in from the part of Norquests College to help facilitate. It was an amazing event. The generosity and the participation of the Metis folks that you were able to invite was amazing. That was a really amazing part of the conference for me. I had the privilege of doing pre-conference work with the Go-GN group. That was so, just seeing those folks in person, it was the 10th anniversary of Go-GN. So it was very kind of special workshop and session two days we had Friday and Saturday before the conference. And again, that the privilege of seeing people face to face, this is my first kind of in-person post-COVID conference as well, it is a completely different experience than the virtual experience of conferences. So I was able to engage so much more than I have been, I attended a lot of virtual conferences and have listened to them and never gone back to the recordings, things like that. So lots of privilege there. But for me, this conference in addition to making lots of new networked friends which Igor pointed out, I think is a really important part of these conferences. Just after the conference, I was laid off from my job. So that's a little scary when that happens. But because I had made all these connections, I now am, I have this moment as we sometimes do when we change work to think through what it is I really wanna do. I'm not a young person. What do I wanna do with the rest of my career? And so I was really inspired in the conference by Cable Green's keynote about open knowledge and how critical it is for our human survival that we openly share our publicly funded research. Like that's, it's a no-brainer for those attending this conference, it's not a no-brainer for people around the world to really understand. So I'd like to be part of that. And then I also attended a very sparsely attended session with Vivian Forceman. So she just had an unfortunate time slot. Most of the folks at the conference were participating in the conference closing the indigenous circle session, I didn't get a seat there, which is too bad. But what I did look into then was Vivian Forceman's presentation about her work in the resilience by design lab at Royal Roads University and for climate adaptation, which is a little bit of a new concept for me. Certainly understand climate change, climate action, the SDGs, but what she's specifically talking about which is really exciting to me is just the basic human idea that I need to assess my risk about climate change and I can do that as an individual or a small business. And then I need to think through how am I going to adapt when climate change affects me? It already is affecting me, but how do I start to adapt? What's my plan of action? Which I really love how action-based and practitioner-based that concept is. So I'm looking at those things, in addition to the usual suspects in terms of administrative or a faculty-based post-secondary work. So it was really nice timing for me to have connected with so many folks and to be able to continue to reflect and connect as we go. Thank you so much, Jenny. And I appreciate you coming in here and sharing that. It's important to hear all this and like a positive spin on hearing that news. But also I've known Vivian for a long time and she's a force of nature. And so I think one of the best things has happened at the conference are those things which we didn't expect. Like when you land in a session that you didn't think might be of interest or possibility that you weren't planning to go to. And it's like, oh my gosh, my head is blowing. So we like to hear that. And also I'm so excited to have here Paula Corti who like represents many things. Paula's a board member. She's a presenter at the conference and just such a generous person. And she just exudes warmth. And if you get a hug from Paula, you know what the experience is. So how was it for you Paula? Can you summarize quickly or take your time because I really want to hear this. Hi everyone and thank you for having me. Well, I have to use the same words that many people used before me. Gratitude and also privilege which both have different sides because I felt grateful even before leaving you from Italy and then I'm still grateful for everything that I received through this amazing conference from the organizers, from the opportunity they offer to both students because it was really a pleasure to meet students in the rooms, chat with them and engage with conversation in order to have their perspective. And I felt privileged most of the time because I was lucky enough to be there in person. And this too, I'm a hugging person. So I take this opportunity as far as I could to hug everyone that I missed. But at the same time, I tried also to bring with me some of the people that was not as privileged as I was through small videos or through connecting from far away. And it was really helpful to have all the technical stuff available every time I asked. They were always very kind and so yeah, I think it was a great experience. And the indigenous knowledge which is still sinking into me. So I don't know how to explain it yet, but it accompanied me also after the conference and it is still something that I'm exploring through books, through videos and catching up with all that I missed because of course, you can't be into rooms at the time even if you are there in presence. And Jenny, I was lucky enough to sit in the circle. So I had that experience. And I'm interested in knowing more about the one that you had. So again, thank you to Norquest for hosting us and for all the work that the oil global staff needed to prepare this amazing conference. Excellent. And like speaking to Norquest, we definitely went here from Dawn and Robert who have invested so much in this. And so how does it feel looking back on this experience now, Dawn? Oh, well, looking back, it feels I think Norquest accomplished a lot in being a co-host here. And it was Robert's vision to bring this conference together. Maybe I'll just tell a short story. We've been, a few years ago, we underwent a visioning process at Norquest College and the work from that became a work called a re-imagined higher education 2030. And we were looking to see, where's Norquest gonna be in 2030? And we created all of these desired states. And one of the desired states we created was to be a leader in open education. And for me, I didn't really know a lot about that. I knew about open textbooks, but that's about all I knew. But Robert was really passionate about this work and really led the way at the college in getting other people interested and helping others learn about open education. And in one of the sessions, there was a, they had to create an artifact from the future. And so Robert and the team he was on created a program of OE Global being hosted at Norquest in 2030. And so he sort of put it out there, as they say, to the universe. And it just came a little earlier than we expected. 2023 was our year, not 2030. So it was really great looking back to see how this came together, working with a group like OE Global that is just so knowledgeable, so friendly, collaborative. They guided us along the way and they also allowed us space for Norquest to show up in the way that Norquest wanted to show up here. And so it was just such a great collaborative process. And so it feels a little empty, to be honest. At the end, knowing how we spent the last really year working on this, all the work that's gone into it. So now it's just sort of getting used to life without OE Global or with OE Global. But the event is behind us now. So yeah, it's been great. It does feel a little bit different, for sure. I think Ayla wants to cue the music so we can have, I won't do that, but really wanna also thank you and everybody at Norquest for providing that evening at the college, a chance to see a student in indigenous art, a chance to hear the music and experience just the Norquest atmosphere. And that was really another highlight. And so, Robert, we've heard like, and were you a little bit nervous about when the conference started? You could probably tell that by watching me on the first day, cause I was running around. I wasn't walking, I was running. So yeah, it was a nerve-wracking experience the first couple of days for sure. And I just think it was such a wonderful opportunity to really showcase what's happening at Norquest, to showcase what's happening in terms of open education around the world. And some great presentations and keynotes, very inspirational, lots to think about, Cable Green's keynote about how a lot of knowledge is still behind a paywall and prevents us from solving a lot of the world's problems related to the SDGs. So, and I guess from the beginning, I had envisioned this as a conference that would not only be showcasing open education, but perhaps be an act of reconciliation as well. And I really feel like we had a wonderful opportunity to showcase indigenous knowledge and the importance of indigenous knowledge. And I really hope that it in some small way advances reconciliation. So, but it does feel empty for sure. I think we need to resume our Wednesday morning meetings so that we can fill up our schedule. Okay, we can send that out, Robert, because we certainly missed working with the Norquest team. And so obviously a lot to share. And we also hope that people who are after listening in the audience or maybe listening later, we'll share some of the stories in OEG Connect, obviously, and so we wanna capture as much as possible. But also, we wanna talk a little bit about what we learned from the conference survey. So, as you know, we did have this post-conference survey which is common. And then we had this little incentive that we'll get to shortly that I know some people are looking forward to, but I know there's a lot of things that we learned from there. So are you gonna speak to that Eila and tell us a little bit about like some of the key things that came out of this is Eila How to Flood, our communications guru? Yeah, I'll happily talk about it. I think that there's just so much though. So this is gonna be the very light version. There's so much to discuss and we are going to share the report later on either this week or next, early next. So wait for it in your inboxes. But some of the most amazing things, and I think a lot of it is about the narrative of some of what people weren't expecting to get from the conference. A lot of people were expecting to meet up with new people and they were expecting to expand their, like overwhelmingly to expand their network and their collaboration opportunities and to feel validated, I think, within the open education movement. But a lot of people, because of the focus on indigenous knowledge and the focus on braiding and using and looking at other concepts, alternative concepts that come from indigenous cultures, a lot of people who were visitors to Canada, not just the local indigenous peoples, but who were visitors to Canada. Also, a lot of them felt for the first time heard and seen, ones that who had come from the global majority, which I think is now what the term is for the previous term for developing countries. And because of that respect that was given about this idea of reconciliation, there was a lot of, so there was a lot of positive when asked what was then the major elements that they really enjoyed a lot, like almost there was something that, I'm not gonna give you any figures, but essentially there was a huge amount of positive reactions to the keynotes, three of which were indigenous knowledge focused. And then we've already talked about chemical greens discussion of open access. And I think that's about open knowledge is about collective knowledge. And so, but there was also a lot of, we delved into how much, sorry, just how much, which of the conference themes were most inspiring, which was the braiding and the two I seeing and the local indigenous cultures. And then the overwhelmingly, like when people were asked what sessions or elements inspired or motivated them the most, it was the word cloud brings up the keynotes and indigenous AI got in there. Darian Latandra's keynote also was very well received. And then there was overwhelming improvement in people's understanding of open education and what that could, what it means. So there was between, there was 84% of people voted positively about learning something new and increasing that understanding of open education by being there. And again, there was like 90% of people thought that the program vision and how it was interwoven was well reflected in the in the conference itself. So I think that that was what the program team intended to produce actually did happen. So that was really interesting. So that was really fabulous. And with what people attending, what attending OE Global 2023 has meant to people, it's most of people responded that they, it introduced them to new colleagues and increased their knowledge of what was possible and it validated their engagement in open education practices as well as introduced them to collaborative opportunities. So we've had a very, very positive feedback. There was a few negatives, but not nothing that was overwhelmed or more about niggles about understanding what the action labs meant. Or I think there was a confusion about that, but we're all pretty much, I think that we've all taken that on very seriously to make sure that that confusion doesn't ever happen again. And then I think the other feedback that we got was the ability for, by having 43 of the sessions streamed, live streams that people really who weren't able to make it there were also very grateful that they could log in and see what was happening, get some of the absolutely some of the intelligence and the knowledge back. And there were over 400 during the conference, the three days there were over 441 unique viewers who logged in to the stream sessions. So that was a great way for us to make sure that, and people really appreciated that even if they couldn't make it in person that they could actually see that. And we're also really grateful, we're also all of those live streamed sessions are now available in the playlist. And so open education global, I know that it's like the conference itself has stopped, but it's always going to be, it's always going to be live and it's always going to be available. So it is its own open education resource in it. And so, yeah. So those are kind of like the main takeaways that we had. We've got another report of all of the posts and how many sessions there were and how many people attended. But I think we can move on to the exciting part of this, maybe, Alan. Hey, this is all exciting, come on. I definitely, and my colleagues are probably like, I've been like, the concept of braiding to me has been thing I want to see us carry forward and think about. I don't know how to do it, but the idea of everything being interconnected and like the more holistic view that that comes out of that. And so, I've been like eyeballing, things that are happening and there are many things going on. And also, we did talk about obviously the cables keynote, but sustainability and thinking about what it means both environmentally and sustainability for OER is definitely something that we hope to see going forward. And so, we all had a great time and we want to have a great time. Where are we going next, Igor? I'll be back here to Brisbane, Australia. But before we get there, I just wanted to take a moment. Well, thank you very much. I'd love for sharing those observations, the feedback from the attendees. And I just wanted to emphasize how critically important it is for us to receive that kind of feedback from attendees. Positive and also one that is constructive. Constructive criticism is always appreciated. And we just also want to make sure that the participants who provided feedback are aware that we are taking it on board and that we will be making certain improvements or changes going forward as well. We know how critically important it is for people to connect, to have opportunities, to have informal conversations, to network. And so going forward, we will be making these kinds of efforts to create more spaces for people to connect, to collaborate especially. And certainly we are going to be getting forward some of the indigenous focus as well into Australia in Brisbane. So thank you very much to everybody who provided your feedback. It's critically important for us going forward. So now let's go to Australia. Well, not right now. Not right now, yeah. The next year, so... And we got the announcement of that, which is always exciting. And, you know, obviously this is, you know, a great destination, but also a chance, obviously, as we already heard in the video, that some of these things that were started here are definitely going to be continued as well as taking some new perspectives. And so it's going to be great, at least for that side of the world to have a location which more people can go to than maybe Canada wasn't a possibility. Exactly. And it's also going to be a great collaboration between different institutions in Australia. You know, we have got three different institutions or organizations. We have got University of Southern Queensland, Queensland University of Technology and Queensland State Library. So it's going to be an interesting collaboration going forward, so we are really looking forward to it. Yeah. So we will ask everybody to get their oi, oi, oi, oi's ready for this. There'll be great improvements as my Australian, that's why I certainly enjoy many things about Australia, but so much to offer too, in terms of their perspective and references for open education. So, yeah, speaking of which, I know there's some excitement and it was a great idea to announce as part of an incentive for the conference survey that people who shared their email in the survey are entered into a raffle, a pool. And so what we had were 101 emails that were provided and we had a little bit of cross-checking to get names from the registration at that. And so we thought about having like our actual picking from a bowl and so that was a elaborate book, but we had this other scheme. So what we have, and I want to confer with my colleague Jenny, I sent Jenny four different files with different random listings of these 101 names. So can you confirm that they were content that you received, Jenny, right? Correct, I do have the content. Okay, and so without us knowing which file Jenny picked because she's in charge of this, she has these names ready and we're asking Paula to spin the wheel and so we're gonna give her a few minutes to get her screen sharing set up because I might have to do this again, Paula. So I'll talk while you're getting this. We have a prize wheel that's gonna pick a number from one to 101. And so we're gonna get this on the screen right now. And there it is. And so we're gonna give this a spin to get a number from one to 101 and Jenny's gonna let us know which name is the winner there. So there you have the big wheel. We hear it spinning. And it's spinning. There it is, so Jenny, can you listen? Okay, it's 18. Yes. So on the list that I have selected, the amazing winner for number 18 is Merinda McClure. All right, Merinda McClure, you are going to- Look for you for me though. Yeah. Nice job, Merinda. Merinda McClure is gonna be eligible for a free conference registration for OEG level 2024. And of course, if Merinda is not able to attend, we're gonna allow her to transfer it to someone else if she wants to make that a gift or we will sort of, she can contribute it back to the pool and we will try to make that available as an option for someone else. So let's get another winner out of the pool, Paula. It sounds more like my, like a fricking bone or something, but this is a completely random project. And in the number 65 spot, I have Yvonne Smith. All right, Yvonne Smith is going to be another winner here for the prize drawing. Congratulations. And of course, you don't have to be present to win, but Yvonne Smith is eligible for a free conference drawing. So let's give that wheel another spin there. Terrible excitement, right? 66. 66, so it's fun that that just happened right after 65. In 66, I have Stephanie Green. All right, Stephanie Green is our winner of another free registration for OA Global 2024. So congratulations, Stephanie. And we look forward to seeing you in Brisbane. And so we have one more in the pool here. Anybody listening out there, if you wanna like yell out and pad if you really want a personal member of your name to come up, but. 20. Very good. And in the number 20 space, I have Gail Sandini. St. Dennis. All right, Gail Sandini, congratulations. Another winner. And we're so excited for this. And thank you for being willing to participate in a little bit of a gimmick. I think that was kind of fun. And I think this might be something that we carry forward, right? Gail Sandini is a norquester. Oh, wow. So hooray, Gail. Well, I think we gotta make sure she can get to Brisbane, right? All right, so thank you for participating in this. And so we just, we still have some time here, but again, if anybody in the chat wants to share something about their experience or the panel here, we still wanna bask in the glory of this conference. And what they're going to like, we've heard some hints that I think there are things that people have in their minds that they're gonna sort of infuse into their activities into 2024. So any sort of extra thoughts here we have on what happened, or we just can start singing OEG, which I will not subject anyone to listen to my singing. Alan, I'd like to add a couple of things. So one of the things that happened for me at the conference, and this is about our amazing Indigenous partners, sort of Métis part, I think it was predominantly Métis folks, but I was a little bit stuck having to do some work as a conference. So during the opening of the conference, when everyone was coming in and the drums and the singing, I was out in the hallway having to do something. And the singing that happened is so physical and so visceral and the drums, like I could not concentrate. I had a very important task I had to do, and I couldn't do it. I had to pause and say, could you just excuse me for a moment? Because there's this voice calling me that I really have to actually get up, go and stand and look at because I can't not do that. There's the presence of those folks at the conference was so important and because again, because I'm also called a bit to this kind of return to SDGs, climate action, climate adaptation, that does not happen without collaboration, consultation, significant consultation and partnership with Indigenous folks all over the globe. But in particular in Canada, it's been a big focus. So I just wanna call that out as an amazing moment in the conference for me that I, there was no way that I was gonna be able to do what I was trying to do in the moment because it was so important to get up and go and look and see and be there. And again, it was a privilege to be able to do that. So that's one thing. And the other thing I think, sometimes when we create conference recordings, they get dusty. We post them and people can come to them if they want to come to them. But I wonder if we might have a strategy throughout the full year leading up to Brisbane to annotate those presentations, invite folks through social media, through Mastodon, LinkedIn, wherever you are in social media land to come and see, here's a really great session if this is of interest to you because that would reduce the number of additional new webinars we have to do. This year, which would be nice for folks probably. But I think also would continue to help the conference kind of live for folks that couldn't attend. Here's a reminder that this is a session you might wanna watch because this is the topic and this is the speaker. So maybe that's just an idea. Thanks. I love that idea, Jenny. And it's something that we will definitely put into the, into the plans this year to have a little bit of a chance for people to rewatch and maybe extend that conversation and think about connecting these great sessions to our work. Thank you very much for that idea. Well, anybody else out there? Like, I do, like, you know, we talked, there were things that were on the program, but I think, you know, that would happen to the conference. Every time you were in the hallway, obviously there was the buzz of people like having that social moment, but I know I saw so much and overheard a lot of conversations between people from different parts of the world who work in different contexts to who were doing that connective thing and making plans and doing things and sharing. And so that's some of the intangibles that's hard to come out of data and surveys, et cetera. Did anybody have any of those kind of encounters? We have shy people here. Well, it's difficult to list them, honestly. In my case, for example, I just reused this summer, one of the tools presented during the conference called Enroads from Climate Interactive and connecting to what Jenny just said around working toward sharing knowledge around climate change and how to fight it. And it was an opportunity for me also to give feedback, which is not something that you can do very easily sometimes. And I just met Kurt Newton in the open space out of the sessions and this opportunity to give him feedback about the teaching experience I did this summer, organizing my sessions all around the Enroads tools. And reusing the materials they shared openly, adapting them to the two different audience. I'm not an expert in climate change, so the tools they provided and the content, the educational content they provided were key for me. And I added my part of expertise to finalize the session, but participants who were largely more expert than I am in the specific content were extremely grateful to get into know these tools. So open education goes beyond the limits of the community in those cases. And this was something that I was really grateful to be able to do there. Well, thank you so much, Paula. And I appreciate again, everybody coming. I'm gonna close out one of the other valuable aspects of the conference, and everybody saw the red vest of the students who were part of doing a community service learning project, and we so appreciate that Northwest College made this happen. And so we have a little compilation video of sort of the view of the conference from the students perspective. So their photos and sounds that they recorded. And so if it's okay, I will play that on the share for going out and it's enjoyable and it's available. Thank you. You muted, Alan. Well, thanks again, sorry about that. Just that, that full video is about seven minutes long and it was so enjoyable to see a different view of the conference. And I certainly hope that's something that we look at continuing going forward to have the student experience. And so thank you everybody for tuning in. Thank you, Jenny and Paula for being part of this and sharing your perspective. And also our little prize drawing, Dawn, Robert, we miss you, but Robert, we'll just set up some regular meetings and we'll just, we'll plan something. And of course, Marla, Igor and Isla, thank you always. We have a great team at OE Global and things are in motion for Brisbane. So thank you everybody for being part of this. Thank you very much. Thank you everybody. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, bye. Bye. Bye, bye. Bye. We will go out. Bye, everybody.