 Do we need five people, Michelle? I was just asking her. So we need four. Just four? Yep. I always forget this. Don't ask me. I do too. So I had to ask the expert to do some math just early in the morning. This is when I always feel important. I can be a part of a quorum. You are important. So we may have some quorum issues today. So we'll see. How many do we have right now? Just three. Oh. There's been a Zoom update. So now every time we record, it has this little voice that comes on. Our friend, little friend. Yeah. Notice that yesterday during a workshop. Is this done on Zoom? I don't even know. Yep. How'd you log in? I was just thinking because I teach and I don't have anything like this at all. We just, I don't know. We turn it on and they're there and we talk. Or I talk. Well, now we know what you don't teach. That's right. That's the reason for that. Do your semester over for the? It is grading papers right now. But it's over for me. Oh, almost over for me. Yeah. I'm giving a final tonight and then I'm done. Oh, good. What do you, what do you teach? Political science. Well, I know what you teach, Steve. I, I heard someone else. Yeah, it's me, Kevin. I teach wine studies. Oh, okay. Got it. I think that's more fun. Geez, we got a bunch of professors on board, don't we? All right. I think we do have a quorum. One, two. Yeah. Great. We can just, we can start right on time today. I did want to ask Adam, what time do you need to leave today? I want to make sure that I announced that when I do the roll call. Sure. Can you hear me? I can hear you. I don't know. Did my video start? There, there we go. Yeah. I need to leave today by 10 30. Okay, great. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. So we should still have a quorum after that point. Yeah. We should be. Yeah, I hope so. Yeah. I asked Michelle yesterday if, if my having to leave because I noticed that the agenda could be pretty lengthy today and just asked her if, if we would lose the quorum if I left. So it seems like we should be okay. Do we need a quorum for the general plan portion? Technically we need a quorum to continue to hold the meeting. Okay. Okay. It's a nine AM and I'm going to call the meeting of the May 27th meeting of the water race advisory committee to order. Michelle, do you want to do the roll call? Yeah. Oops. I just needed Michelle. We don't hear you though. Sorry about that. Let the record reflect that all committee members are present with the exception of Charles Carter, excuse me, Carol, and with the notation that member Adam Sharon will be leaving at 1030. Okay. Next item is the waterways advisory committee reports. Is there, I do not have a report. Does anyone else on the committee have one? No. Okay. Next item is public comment. Is there, we're not taking public comment on item four and on agenda matters. So this is a time any person can address the committee on matters not on the agenda, but we're within the subject matter of the committee. So if you wish to make a comment, please raise your hand. Once you raise your hand, I will call on you and you will have three minutes to speak. Virtual hand or the regular hand? Virtual hand. Okay. Good question. And I am seeing one hand. Steven, I'm going to give you permission to talk and then pull up a timer. Once you see that timer, your three minutes will start. Hello, can you hear me? Yes, just one second while I grab the timer. Your time starts now. Okay, sorry, I'm late on this attending this meeting, but I just wanted to talk about my name is Steven Hunter. I'm a civil engineer and a licensed Lancer there. I work for Sonoma County, but I'm calling in today about a project that's being developed North of the Santa Rosa Creek and East of Stony Point Road. I'm calling in just as a private citizen because I'm concerned about this project. Basically, what it looks like is going on is that the government funded housing projects are skirting a lot of the environmental regulations and it's been a little bit difficult for the public to get the full picture of what's going on on this site, but the group of us has kind of pulled together with requests and other things, what the plan is here. But basically what we have is an extremely environmentally sensitive site designated wetlands by US Army Corps of Engineers, multiple endangered species. It's got a 70-foot eucalyptus tree that houses hundreds of birds, including red-tailed hawks, and I know for a fact endangered birds. You can tell by the way that the lot has been developed right now, all the houses, all the structures are pushed to the northern end of the lot, this proposed development, and I just got the plans yesterday that what they're intending to do is fill in the area to make their building pad and at worst case scenario, I think I saw six feet, it's a lot of it is four feet deep, they're bringing in non-native material completely burying the wetlands, any ecology that's there, adjust to get this building pad up and out of the flood zone. This is literally, they're literally building it according to FEMA right in a flood zone and this is non-native material and I'm thinking about how the water is gonna inundate with this non-native fill. I mean, aside from all of the increased stress this is gonna have on Rosalind Creek, I think this is a project of concern that we should all be aware about. I'm seeing that my timer's running out, so I just wanted to say I've spoken to the developer, I've asked them, the least you could do is put in permeable pavers. They just wanna put asphalt and make a giant parking lot and a big apartment complex. I can share, am I out of time? Can you guys still hear me? You are out of time, I'm sorry, Stephen. Okay, no problem. Thank you for your comment. May I just ask him to repeat the address of this project? Stephen, are you able to unmute yourself again? Yeah, and I'm glad that you asked the physical address of the existing parcel is 2268 Stoney Point Road. Thank you. Thank you, Stephen. If you have specifics you would like to provide to the committee, you might contact our staff. Amy, do you have anything to suggest in terms of Stephen's information and what we would need? I'm actually gonna follow up on that because that is a different address than the project that I thought it was, but there is a project moving forward to our zoning administrator next Tuesday, which is the Stoney Oaks Apartments. So I'm not sure. As a veteran's place on the west side of Herne, right? No, that's a different project too. So I think I'll get clarity on that. I can report back. Yeah, that would be handy. Can I chime in? I believe it's the, I'm trying to pull up the address too, but it's over on Stoney Point and it's coming actually before design review board next week, if I'm correct on that. And Stephen, you're in the chat, I see. But I'm just wondering, because that one, this sounds similar to some public comments that we've received on that. It's clear we need some more information on this. So Amy, would you mind getting back to us? If it's the item that would come to the design review board or wherever it's going, it'd be nice to know more specifics about the issue and if Stephen could send his comments in and writing that would be helpful. So we can all know what the specific issues are. I just looked it up and it is, it's concept review for Stoney Point Flats and it's coming before design review board next week. So we will be looking at that. Stephen, I thank you for your comments and we'll be looking at the project in terms of the city's design guidelines. But if it comes before the waterways advisory committee, we can look at that too. But it's, yeah, thank you for your comments. And I'm the design review board, and I'll incorporate that, your thoughts into our discussion next week. Thank you. Amy, this is also the address of the email that I forwarded to you. Yeah, I think there's a couple of different projects in that area, so I appreciate committee member Sharon putting that out. It is on the design review board meeting next week. So this is an item that is on the creek and would fall within our jurisdiction. I'll look into that and report back because it's just, this is coming forward for conceptual design review. So it's really at the beginning of the project. So I'll look to see what that process is. Very good. Thank you, Amy. And thank you, Stephen, for bringing into our attention. Any other comments by committee members before we move to the next item? Steve, one more. One more, Michelle. Oh, just one more. I'm going to say the, for those who still are, want to continue to comment on that, there's next week, Thursday at 4.30 is the design review board meeting and it's going to be on Zoom also. So if you'd like to chime in then. Thank you. Next week. Okay. I think we're going to move on. I think we have all the information we need unless there's something I've missed here. I want to just make sure that everybody's had a chance. We do have pretty sizable attendance this morning. So I just wanted to give anybody else a chance to raise their virtual hand if they have any other comments on non-agenda items. And I am not seeing any other hands. Okay. Thank you. Why don't we move on to the department report. Amy, do you have a report to give today? I do not have a report for today. Is there anybody else from water department or Sonoma water who is here tonight today to report? I guess we don't have any other items. Yeah, I'm not seeing anyone on from the water department today. Alastair just, he's on the call and raised his hands. I see him now. Okay. Thank you. Alastair, I'm promoting you to a panelist. Oh, we're promoting Alastair today. Good. Alastair, you should, there we go. There we are. Perfect. It worked out. Hey guys, just a quick overview of creeks. You know, they're looking pretty good. More and more people out with springtime are out riding bikes, walking, dog walking. You know, we're dealing with camps and people hanging out in creeks and trashing them. But we've got to clean up crews and we're staying on top of it pretty well. We do have a youth core crew that's funded by the water agency that'll be working on Santa Rosa creeks this summer. So that'll help us kind of keep up with some of our trail maintenance and vegetation maintenance and all you hear about is all this fire fuel load building up. And, you know, we've got parks crews, TPW or weed abatement crews. Everybody's kind of cutting weeds and we'll be adding to that this winter. I mean, this summer, but with an emphasis on just keeping the creek trails clear and sight lines open, debris off the, you know, leafs and litter that builds up along those trails, get that off to the side and just really trying to promote our whole creek trail system as a place for the community to enjoy during the summer. And we've actually had quite a few volunteer cleanups going on. Just interact clubs have been really big. High school students have been coming out getting, some of them still have requirements for their community service hours. So they've been gathering in small groups and we've been supporting them with trash pickers and other tools. And we'll see how the water keeps flowing, you know, get out on the creeks yourselves this summer and it'll be real interesting to watch those levels drop or if they somehow sustain themselves. But so that's what's happened on the creeks. I was happy to answer any questions, you know, send me information or questions you have about anything that you see needs attention and I'll see if we can get our crews out there to take care of it. And same goes to anybody from the public attending this meeting, creeks at SRCity.org is a good email, creeks, C-R-E-E-K-S at SRCity. That's monitored by several of us here at the stormwater and creek steam. Great, well, thank you Alistair as always for your fine work. Any questions of Alistair? Yes, I do. I haven't seen a recent email from you that kind of gives out the schedule for all the creek cleanups. Have you updated that recently? No, we're still not sponsoring any creek cleanups probably this fall, but we're responding to people who are organizing their own. We have their own idea of the cities kind of waiting for this June 15th state deadline to see how we're gonna be working with community groups our parks departments in the same boat with their strong volunteer program. And all messaging, we haven't been doing much creek messaging, I think that's gonna ease up now as kind of some of the emphasis on COVID is dropping on the city. We'll be able to get our message out in those connections reports and hopefully sometime be able to resume our creeks emails that were coming up. Denise Cadman was doing a great job in getting out like two or three times a month just a little bit of creek news. Okay, thanks Alistair. Yeah. And I just wanted to say thank you Alistair. I've been bicycling the Prince Memorial Greenway and the Santa Rosa Creek Trail more often and I'm impressed by how often I see cleanup crews out there including this morning. And clearly there are a lot of people camping along the creek, et cetera, but even with that, it seems like the maintenance of those trails has been really great. So thank you. Well, you know that that cannery site that there's people camping in it and that they're getting moved off. So of course they just go next door onto right on the creek and, you know, it's a, we're dealing with that, you know, we're trying to reduce trash. What happens to people who don't have housing is kind of a whole nother realm that didn't, but thanks for noticing that. And it's ongoing. We're down there two or three days a week. Parks is down there two or three days a week. You know, people who use a trail or help take care of it too. Yep. Well, thanks. Yeah, I saw crew this morning, so I appreciate it. Great. Well, thank you, Alistair. Anybody else? Any questions? Again, thanks for all that good work, Alistair. Unless there is another question, we're going to move on to item 6.1, Canine Companion's Early Development Center. Is Kristin A. Cummings here? She is, and I am promoting her, I'm promoting her now. By the way, we're going to hear both from the planner and then we'll hear from the applicant and then we'll be taking questions today of whoever you would like to ask questions of. Good morning, Kristin A. Good morning, Chair Benowich and members of the Waterways Advisory Committee. I just like to introduce to you Anna Rago. She's a planning intern studying at Cal Poly, studying planning as a major and she's impressed all of us so much with her ability to conduct public workshops and I'd like to allow her to present this item for you this morning. Very nice. Welcome. Thank you and good morning, everyone. So good morning. The first item on today's agenda is the Canine Companion's Early Development Center located at 2965 Dutton Avenue. This project requires a major design review and minor traditional use permit to allow a new Canine Early Development Center which would include one story and approximately 8,972 square feet of exterior surface areas for dog runs and play areas. As you can see, this project is located in Southwest Santa Rosa. Through this map here, we can see that the rear property line runs up against Colgan Creek. As previously mentioned, the applicant is requesting to develop a parcel zoned as light industrial. This is a map of the current site in relation to the creek and in regards to environmental review we are currently still preparing an initial study. On this map here, we can see that Colgan Creek is classified as a modified creek. And in regards to the planting water shed area, this map shows again, Colgan Creek is a modified creek along the property line of the proposed parcel. The project site is adjacent to Colgan Creek, reached to in the Citywide Creek master plan. Colgan Creek reached to is designated as a modified creek consisting of approximately 6,751 linear feet. The portion of Colgan Creek adjacent to the project site consists of a flood control channel owned by this Mono County water agency. An unpaved access road exists directly east of the channel. This slide here shows a site plan of the proposed site. And here we see elevations of the proposed building. We have a Northwest South and East elevation. This project requires a major conditional use permit from a planning commission public hearing and a major design review from the designer review public hearing. Thank you and staff is available for questions and looking for advice on how to advise planning commission in regards to the development along the creek. Thank you very much. Do we have the applicant here today and would you like to make some comments about the project? We do. Just one moment. Ken, you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute. Good morning. Good morning. We're having us today. Anna, that was well done. I'm a Cal Poly grad, so it's good to see that Cal Poly folks continuing on. So thank you for being here. I'm gonna defer to Casey McDonald of Adobe Engineering for any specific questions on the project. But just so everyone's clear, the site itself houses the existing Canine Companions campus. It's a 12 acre site plus in the area that we're proposing, it's an expansion of the existing campus. So I just didn't want anybody to get confused that this was a new project. The expansion does meet all the setback requirements. And Michelle, if you're able to bring Casey on, she can answer any specific questions. So again, thanks for having us this morning. Casey, you should be able to unmute yourself. Yep, I'm unmuted. So if there's any questions I'm here to answer those. Okay, are there questions by committee members for staff or the applicant? I have a couple. Go ahead, I have after you. Okay, I was wondering what the interface would look like between the project and the creek in terms of landscaping. Yeah, so I don't believe that, currently, and I'll have to pull up the landscape plan. We're meeting the 50 foot setback that's required. And just a couple of feet beyond that setback is our bioretention area for treatment and treatment of the new impervious area and then our parking lot. So the bioretention area will be landscape with plants that meet LID requirements. To allow for treatment of all of the impervious area from the parking lot and the buildings. And then everything is, there are drains on either end to pick up any overflow in a larger storm event. So nothing should go to the creek. Is there something specific showing the interface that we have? I believe our, yeah, there you go. Our plan should show that. So I see some plantings there. It's kind of unclear as to the extent and the density and the specifics. Enhanced, yeah. So you see the bioretention there and the setback is just beyond that bioretention. Ken, I don't know if we've got Don McNair on that can talk about the planting at all. We do. We do. Don, you should be able to unmute yourself now. Don, thank you very much. I was raising my hand here as well. Come on, I want to talk, I want to talk. Yeah, it would be the landscape up to Don. So basically we've kept it really simple. The larger circles that you're seeing there closest to the creek, those are quarkus lobata. So those are valley oaks. They're in that sloping embankment that leads from the bioretention area down to the drainage way itself. So generally it's a, you know, sort of a, what is it, the valley oak habitat kind of going to grassland underneath. The one thing I did do, which doesn't show very clearly on this illustrative plan is adjacent to the bioretention, sort of meandering along it, between the oaks and the bioretention is a swath of grasses, admittedly not native California grasses, but grasses nevertheless. You know, the intention is just to keep it as pretty much as low as possible and, you know, just to provide sort of an aesthetic, a simple aesthetic transition between the bioretention and the oaks and then the drainage way. So it is a simple treatment that's going on. Thank you. Are there other questions regarding this or other matters regarding the project? Yeah, I do. Hello, Don. It's a beautiful drawing. Did you draw this by hand? No, no, actually. I mean, well, yes I did, but using the wonders of electronics behind me, so. Okay, okay. So a lot of times we see civil drawings for this, especially with the orientation with the creek and with the setbacks and we kind of can get a real good idea of what's going on in there. But, you know, if I understand, if I'm looking at the bio swell and then I'm looking at where it says 50 foot creek setback, the thicker line is the 50 foot setback and then the swell is towards the creek, is that correct? No, the swell is right up against the parking, immediately adjacent at the parking. Is that hatched area, sort of white hatched? You know, I don't know, I have a plan here that if we have the ability to have me share, I'd be happy to show you kind of how the layout of the grasses is relative to the bio swell and relative to the trees. One thing I do- And I'm from a civil plan too, that shows that creek setback in relation to bioretention. We don't have any plans in, but that's fine. I can't look remote, I'm sorry to interrupt. If you would like to share, I can promote both Dawn and Casey to panelists and they'll be able to share their screen as long as that is okay with you, Chair. It's just fine with me. Perfect, give me just one moment. Okay, thanks. You know, while you're doing that, I might add that typical way that I treat bio-retention areas is I use a, it's a native California grass sod blend. So you have at least three types of native California grasses that are, and they're, by design, they're capable of inundation on a regular basis and they can either be irrigated or not irrigated. In our situation, we actually are able to, you know, are planning to irrigate that section. Now there you go. So this is the 50-foot setback to the top of bank here. And so you can see our bio-retention is, you know, foot or a couple feet beyond that setback. And the plantings. Yeah, let me get onto that for you. Casey, you're gonna have to release. Yep, there you go. Dawn, can you speak to the, hi Dawn, good to see you. Hi Adam, how are you? To hear you. Could you, while you're doing this, could you speak to the species that you're planting? You mentioned the, not native, but just curious. Oh yeah, yeah, hang on one second. Let me get this going. I don't know if you're that far into the design yet. Actually, yes. So I'm not sure. Can you see my screen here? Yep. Okay, great. Oh, perfect. Yeah. So if you see this hatched area right here, kind of rolling down. Yeah. That is Muhlenbergia, Dubai, so pine muley. So that's just, you know, it's kind of a border. I'm putting it actually 48 inches on center in that strip, that area. But the more intensely hatched area right up against the parking, that is the bio retention area. So that's a depressed swale that will collect rainwater and then more or less meter it out to the creek below. So in doing so, the water would pass, really would collect and pass underneath the pine muley, you know, heading down to these larger corkis lobata. So, you know, by design, I haven't done anything underneath the oak trees. It's just native, you know, it'll just be grassland, like native, probably native weeds essentially, but, you know, there will be nothing going on there and why not upper canopy above it? Because I believe, I do believe we're in a valley oak habitat here, is that correct? I think it's, I think it's VOH. Is Steve Brady here? Did he can answer that quite quickly? I do not see Steve Brady on the call. Okay, thank you. Well, neither here nor there. We're close enough to the Laguna that, you know, it does make sense to use valley oaks in this fashion. Can I ask you why non-native grasses and not native grasses? Well, you know, non-natives, okay, let me clarify that. We are using non-natives in the bioretention area. When you get into these other areas that are kind of currently natural now, they are so filled with non-native weeds and other plant material that it really becomes a major challenge to try and succeed at converting it back to a California native. You know, oftentimes it takes either a lot of herbicide or a tremendous amount of maintenance to do that, to make that happen. So, you know, I mean, it's, this is an area that we weren't planning the landscape anyways, so I think from my perspective anyways, it felt like just putting native, you know, the native trees in that zone was good. You know, because it's really, it's not necessarily, I wouldn't call it a major creek at all. It's more of a drainage way. I'm not sure that answered your question, but... No, I'm just curious. Are there other questions here from the committee? Yes, I have another. And I know we've looked at projects for canine companions before, and I wanted to say it was a fence, but now I'm seeing that proposed AT&T tower. I'm wondering, was that what we looked at? So that's my first question. Do we know, Amy? Yeah, this, sorry, this is Kristen A-T-Means, senior planner. Yeah, you've seen canine companions at the Waterways Advisory Committee a few times. One was for a perimeter fence, and the other was for an AT&T monopine. Okay, so I guess, so my question then, it's not, it's not installed yet, right? The tower's not installed yet, right? I don't believe it's installed yet. It's listed as proposed. Don, how are you, well, what are you, how do you incorporate, can you just talk about how you incorporated what the plan is for that tower? You know, all I've done is I've put some shrubbery around it. I've got some manzanita around it, and I've got some, some raffia lepas around it. You know, it's, it was really, from my perspective, it was something that is essentially already there because it's been in the plan all along. And typically, you know, not a lot of huge trees can go around them, you know, do that. I know there's some existing redwoods in there now that will probably, you know, likely have to be addressed at some point, but that wasn't actually part of my scope in terms of this. Okay, thank you. Anybody else? Quick question, Don, just to, just to clarify then, so in the biofiltration area, those are native grasses? Okay. Good, thank you. Yeah, you can check it out. It's actually a pretty good product that I've been using for quite a few years. It's called Delta Bluegrass and it's called the biofiltration sod. And it's, you know, I think it's, I think it's great, you know, as long as you have enough sun and area to use it, it does really well. Great, thank you. I just have a question regarding the, any kind of coordination with our staff regarding the Colgan Creek Restoration Project. And if they might want to take a look at this at some point, maybe this falls under design review board. I'm not sure, but that's just something I thought I'd bring up. Other questions? I don't see any, hear any. Why don't we move that onto the recommendation phase of this? Art, do you want to start out? Sure. I mean, I'm kind of biased. Oh, I'm sorry. I need to do one thing first. Are there any people from the public who would like to comment on this project? If you would like to make public comment on this project, please raise your virtual hand now. I'm not seeing any raised hands. Okay, thank you. Sorry to interrupt you, Arthur. No, that's okay. I was just saying, you know, I love Canine Companions. I love what they do. I mean, they're building a veterinary hospital. They're building, you know, young dog development center, employing a bunch of people. And I guess they're removing their other place that's over on Duke Court or whatever, anyhow, and they're outside of the setbacks and they got a great landscape plan. So I really like this project. Thank you. Mark? I really had nothing to add. It looks like I'm trying to remember the details of that fence project that we had in front of us, gosh, it was a number of years ago, but I couldn't find anything in my records of that. It's way down, it's way down south. It was way down south. Oh, is it a different place? Well, no, the south part of the parcel. Oh, okay, I see what you mean, yeah. Yeah. Right, okay. But no, it looks like it's a sort of conceptual thing. And again, it's a good group doing good work. And I think it was all along planned that that was gonna be developed at some point. So it's good to see it coming forth. Thank you, Mark. How about you, Kevin? All right, just to echo what Art and Mark said. So nothing to add, it looks like a good project. Thank you. Adam? Yes, thank you, Steve. Yeah, thanks for bringing this second next iteration to the waterways. So designer Reboard saw this in February and appreciate the additional renders, the color renders and the plan set and some of the tweaks that you've incorporated. So thank you for that. It's good to see. And yeah, just continue my support for the project from that designer Reboard meeting. Everything looks great. I think it's gonna be a great addition to your campus and to that area. I will say the waterways, under the Waterways Bayley Wick, underneath the Quirks Lobada that are over there. And I know, Don, you said that that wasn't even originally going to be landscaped. And so putting in grasses, they're kind of bulletproof grasses is a great thing. And just something to think about of adding in some diversity of species and of the habitat. It's gonna be on the other side of the path and related to the Creek area. And so thinking of some understory things and this is kind of just a consider, not a shall because I know it adds cost and everything to think things through and add diversity in terms of what's there and maintenance. But for a couple of reasons of adding diversity. One, it's adding in the native plants as we talked about and increasing diversity could really tie into the Creek a bit more. And then two, it will provide a little bit of buffer underneath in the understory visual buffer going between the Creek and the parking lot in the area. And so adding in some understory shrubbery, some bulletproof shrubs could be good. That does bring in other maintenance and concerns. But something to think about rather than just having kind of the swath of the grasses. And that'll do it. Thanks, it looks great. I look forward to it. Thank you, Adam. I would concur. I think it's a good project but there's possibility of enhancing the riparian vegetation as Adam has brought up. I think that would be a positive as we're trying to increase vegetation along creeks as much as possible, create buffers and so on. But I thank you for attending and that looks like a great project. Are there any other, I hope I didn't miss anybody. Are there any other comments here by committee members? Okay. I think we have it. So thank you very much for attending. And unless there's something else anybody would like to mention, I will move on to item 6.2, the Lyric Lane subdivision. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it on everybody's time this morning. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate it. Go Cal Poly. Thanks. Okay. We're all set for a presentation on this item on Lyric Lane. Good name. Good street name, by the way. Yes. So the second item on today's agenda is the Lyric Lane subdivision project located at 2210 Bush Creek Road. Project applications for Lyric Lane include a general plan amendment from very low residential to low residential, a pre-zoning to R1, R-1-6, single family residential, and a proposed tentative map dividing the parcel into four locks and a remainder located at 2210 Bush Creek Road. As you can see from this map, the project is located in Northeast Santa Rosa. The project is within the urban growth boundary but outside the city limits. The applicant is looking for the parcel to be annexed to the city. The parcels to the North and East are already within the city. As previously mentioned, the applicant is requesting a general plan amendment from very low residential to low residential. Through this map, we can see that the rear property line hits Ring Kong Creek. In regards to our environmental review, we are currently still preparing an initial study. This map here is the current site in relation to the creek. On this map, we can see that Ring Kong Creek is classified as a natural creek while Bush Creek, which runs into it, is classified as a modified creek. The project site is adjacent to Ring Kong Creek Reach 1 in the city-wide creek master plan. Ring Kong Creek Reach 1 is designated as a natural creek consisting of approximately 9,226 linear feet. This map here shows how the property will be divided. The applicant wishes to keep the main house up here in the front and divide the rear portions into four lots. As designated by this map, a lot five is adjacent to the creek. Staff is available for questions and looking for advice on how to advise the city council in regards to development along the creek. Thank you. Thank you once again. You sound like a pro to me. Okay. Is the applicant here and wishing to speak? If the applicant team could please raise your hand. I can promote you to panelists to speak. Okay, you should be able to now unmute yourselves, excuse me, and share your screens. I'm unmuted and do we have anybody else? Do we have anybody else? I know we're the civil on the project, but I don't know if the applicant is on. I see probably that he's also with Adobe. Just curious, we're happy to answer any questions regarding the creek setback too. Yeah, I'm seeing, oh, one other hand just went up. Nils is the applicant and he's in attendance. So would the applicant like to speak at this time or should we just ask the committee to weigh in, ask questions? I have promoted him as well. So the applicant is Nils and Klaus. I'm Klaus, we're both on here. I think that we go forward with your feedback and as well as if there are questions, I think Casey can answer those. Okay, thank you. Questions by committee members. Yeah, this is our, just one comment to staff. Typically we see these civil plans in our package and it's really helpful to be able to review them beforehand. And so I'm just making a note of that because I'm really not clear on what's going on by the creek. You know, the one map that I have, I think it's, it seems there's a building envelope that's dashed in and then I see the creek. I see some data. I'm just not really clear. Okay, so now I'm seeing we have the 50 foot creek setback which looks like it is also the building envelope area that we have a 30 foot. Can we just have someone talk about all that? I'm just not really, yeah, this one here. So this is the one that provides the most information but I'm not really clear on what I'm looking at here. Would anybody like to? Hi, can you guys hear me? Yes, yes. Hi, thank you. So I guess we probably right now are showing the four lots as described by the project to be developed and then all of these are basically the lot lines and building envelopes have been shown on a fainter color right here. So all of these building envelopes as per the setback from the proper link has been shown on the project. In terms of the creek, since the slope of the creek was pretty high, it was more than the 2.5 to 1%. So we kind of like projected from the two of the bank. We projected it back and then from that projection we also added in the 50 foot setback to get us to find the setback somewhere right here. So that's basically the setback from the two of the creek. That was pretty much the intention for the project. Okay, Art, do you want to follow up? Yeah, so can we get back to zooming in on that area? Sure. Okay, so I'm seeing a 50 foot and an 80 foot and I'm seeing a measurement to a bank but I'm not seeing a measurement from top of bank. So don't we normally look at the top of the bank for the measurements? I believe this line right here is basically the projection from the two of the bank to a 2.5 to 1 projection. This is the line towards it. And since the slope of the creek was more than 2.5 to 1, I think the code kind of like stated that we first needed the projection from the two of the bank which is like 2.5 to 1 towards this line and from there, it's an additional 50 foot setback. That's basically the line which you see there which is 80 foot from the two of the bank. That's what we are kind of showing it right now. Okay, yeah, I guess you explained that the first time I didn't quite get it but I understand better now, thank you. So what's going on in this area then from the fence line to the east, is it just a fence going up and everything's staying the same? Is that what's happening? Yes, we intend to have everything on the east side to be as it is. Only the developments are happening on the west side of the piece right now. So yeah, the lot four is designed to be more like a single family unit that, yeah, but anything on the east side would bring me the way it is. Okay, and then I guess, so on the building envelope, since one of the east border is the fence line, I mean, is that practical? I mean, I'm just wondering. You know, the way we really show those building envelopes now is just like what our setbacks are. So basically you've got your setbacks to the property line on all sides and then the setback to the creek because we've run into issues in some cases where you show a specific building envelope and because you're going through a tentative map and public hearings and it's shown on the map to modify it, you have to go back. So we just show the, you know, basically the maximum amount of development space. So it might not be practical to, you know, build the building up to that point, but that's just kind of the way we show it if that makes sense because it is a much bigger deal and a public hearing process to go back to modify that. So we just show the building envelope is the maximum buildable space that meets all the setbacks. Okay. And then is there any detail on the fence? Do we have any detail on what the fence looks like? Not, not at this time. I know we're showing, I don't believe so unless that was provided, you know, somewhere down the road or, you know, after we put this together, but I think we're just showing, you know, the troop protection fencing unless clouds or mills has got any sort of additional detail on that, I don't think we do. That's all I have right now, Steve. Thank you. Are there other questions or at this moment by committee members? So, so is the tree protection fencing just a temporary construction related thing or is there going to be a permanent fence put in that place? Just be, I believe that's just temporary right now. As far as permanent fencing, since we're just in the tentative map stage, you know, I don't know that we've really got any permanent fencing at this time. Okay. Anyone else? Steve, it looks like Alistair has a question for you guys. Alistair, you should be able to unmute. Okay, hello. I just, a remainder parcel or area was mentioned and I just wondered what that was. That's the designated remainder of the subdivision which is allowed essentially when you have an existing residence as a part of the subdivision. Oh, okay. So the existing houses are remained, I see. Okay. Yeah, got it. Thank you. Okay. There are no other questions at the moment. We can see if there's any member of the public who would like to speak on item 6.2. Is there anyone who would like to speak from the public? If you would like to do public comment on this item, please raise your hand now and I will give you speaking permissions. I'm not seeing any hands for the public comment but Alistair does have another question. Please Alistair. Alistair, you should be able to unmute now. Thank you. On the southern part of the property, I thought one plan showed a proposed swale and then there's a 10 inch or 10 foot storm drain easement and that's for the swale. There's no storm drain pipe proposed for that. Is that correct? At this time, yeah, that's correct. It's just the swale on the property line to drain those lots and to ensure there's no drainage on the southerly neighbors. You could put a storm drain in there. Right now we're laying out some easements but yeah, there could be storm drain in there down the road. We just haven't gotten that far as far as the greening of each of those lots with the single family homes. Okay, thank you. Okay, comments by members of the committee. Mark, do you have something you'd like to... Well, it seems like we're basically just looking at this conceptually, right? I mean, it's still only in the process and the council just wants advice. So it seems like it's something that could be done and meet the waterways requirements but there's not a whole lot to look at explicitly, specifically right now. Are you wanting more information to... Well, no, I think that at this point it looks like something that could conceptually be done well. Okay, Adam? Sure, thank you. And yeah, this is definitely conceptual and I believe we're mainly looking at the annexation of this piece and the subdivision. And so in the general overhead view of our purview, this looks like it fits within the waterways guidelines. And just moving forward as you get more fine grain, you mentioned thinking about storm drain versus swale. Keep thinking along the swale track, I would say. More water infiltration is better rather than shunting things to the creek. Slows down water and keeps it on site. These are all things that you know. Just it's a recommendation there. And then also just keeping in mind with plantings as we're getting close to the creek and around the edges of the properties, keeping in mind that diversity of native vegetation and enhancing the native diversity and native habitat that is there. Other than that, it looks good to me. Thank you. Adam? Thanks, Steve. And thanks to the presenters. I just echo earlier comments. Looks like our main purview here is to look at the setback and apparently the project meets those requirements. I'd echo any earlier comments that would encourage native planting to the extent that there's planting along the creek. It's always nice to see opportunities taken to get us back to some native habitat. So other than that, looks good to me. Thanks. How about you, Arthur? Yeah, I understand conceptually that's what we're looking at here. I know I'm desiring more detail, but that would come later. When I'm looking at the staff report under EC-1-1, it just has a statement, the proposed structure and exterior landscape improvements are proposed more than 30 feet from the creek setback. And then we have the toe, we have the top, and then we have this 50 and we have 80. It's a little bit confusing to me where everything's gonna sit and how it's gonna sit. And so I would just recommend more clarity be put into that. And in addition to the landscaping, that's already been mentioned, seems like the fence should be chosen for maximum visibility of the creek. So it's just not like a solid fence. So I would just recommend the applicant think and consider that as they go forward. And that's all I have. And I would like to just concur with all the comments. I think you have all paid on some important points. And so thank you, committee. Thank you, applicants. And unless there are any other questions or comments, I think we can move on to the next item. Okay. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. How about our next item, item 6.3? Amy, do you wanna give us some information on the general plan? Yeah, and before I do that, I just wanted to let you know that I checked in with the project planner on the Stony Point Blats project. And he said that project will be coming to our committee. So you'll get a chance to review that project. So in case Stephen's still on, just wanted to note that as well. So there will be opportunity through this committee and design review. And then the final hearing body will be the zoning administrator for that project. And Amy, on that note, then I would just recommend the email received become part of the public comment on that record. Absolutely. So I'll forward that on as well. Okay, thank you. I guess I was a little confused, I thought there was potentially some construction going on now. And that doesn't sound possible if they're still an applicant to have it going through the city process. Yeah, there shouldn't be. So I can definitely look into that, but... Maybe I'm misunderstood, I don't know. All right. So are you ready to move on to our next item? Please. All right. Let me share my screen here. Hello. All right, so everyone see the presentation? All right. Let's see here. All right, so today's item is related to our general plan update. And this is... Hold on one second, I'm gonna try to get my screen a little bit different here. All right. So this is related to our workshops that we're doing right now. We're working on visioning. And so we are going to different boards and commissions to get input on the vision for our general plan. So committee member sharing, you're gonna hear this again at the design review board in a few weeks. So no problem if you need to jump off, but there will be more to come. So to start, we are just beginning our general plan process. And so right now we're really asking the community and committee members to think big, to really think beyond the moment and your specific spot in the city or wherever you reside or work. But we're really looking at kind of a 30, 30,000 foot view of how our physical pieces of our community are kind of fitting into and also beyond that the social pieces. So our public facilities, services, environmental justice, access to education, jobs, health, all those other components. And so our general plan process is called Santa Rosa Forward and we'll be getting into a little bit more detail about what's happening for this general plan. So we are, as I said, in the beginning piece, right in the visioning part, but this is going to be another two years before we actually move to final consideration by the city council. And so the general plan update is comprehensive. It does include an update to our housing element, climate action plan. We will also be including new policy related to environmental justice and safety based on new state laws that have been adopted since our last general plan. We also have a grant through President Permanente to do health policy work and additional expanded outreach to our vulnerable communities. So we were able to hire an equity and public health planner who's been already been instrumental in helping us on this effort. And so we look forward to introducing her to you all. And so right now we're really looking at vision. So we're really looking at a high level vision of what the community wants, what's working, what's not. And then the next phase we'll be looking at alternatives. So different land use and circulation alternatives. And then after that, we will be kicking off our environmental impact report and refining policy and then going through more review. So this is really the first touch point with the community. So we do have a technical advisory committee that's really made up of city and other jurisdictions and smart and transportation organizations. But we also have a community advisory committee. And I know some of you are familiar with this because you've served on community advisory committee in the past. So these folks are, we have 25 and they are our liaisons. So really community connectors to help us get deeper into the community and help us have more engagement. And so we do have a few openings on this committee. And so if you know of anyone interested, please have them reach out. Our applications are on the website as well. But we are specifically looking for districts 1, 7 and 2. So that's Roseland, Southwest San Rosa and then Bennett Valley area. So just to round out our committee. So we are taking applications through the end of this month and hope to move those forward to the city council for appointments in June. And then we do have a great website. So it is a one stop shop and it will remain that way for our general plan update process. So if you're ever interested in where we are at in the moment, this is a good place to go. There is a wealth of information that I'll get into in a moment on the website already for the existing conditions report. And there's a place where you can sign up for updates. And then all the surveys that we will do will come through this page as well. So the first survey we did, we launched in February, we actually just closed it. And we had over 1,300 people respond, which is really great. We hope to get even more responses for our next survey that we just launched. But I wanted to report out on what we've heard from the survey outreach. So one fun thing is that we ask people to map their neighborhoods and it's a really fun exercise. And hopefully you all got a chance to respond as well. But it was interesting to see what people came up with and how they defined the neighborhood. So this data we're gonna use throughout the process to really help us refine how neighborhoods look and feel and what scope should their policy efforts be related. So we asked, what is the heart of your neighborhood? And a lot of people really felt like their home is really what they consider to be the center, but also where people get services and shop. And then there are community focal points such as schools and parks and other places that reflect who they are or who they identify as a community. And then we also asked about the most important changes that people wanted to see. And top of mind have been related to natural hazards. So we heard a lot on the survey about just the resiliency necessary to protect against natural hazards. And then also housing being top of mind as well. But as you can see, there were a lot of other things that really rated highly on the survey. And then the other piece was what excites you most about Santa Rosa? So this was a really fun question that we were excited to see the responses to. And it was really great to see housing at the top of this list that there's optimism in the community about being able to provide affordable housing at various different income levels and also just environmental protections which I know your community will be interested to see that people are very interested in really protecting our natural environment and our community. So moving on to what we have on our website and what's been done so far in the general plan. We do have the existing conditions report that was published. And so this is a deep dive and a lot of different data. And it's a really great wealth of information if you are interested in a particular subject area and really just want to know what has happening at this moment on the ground. So because it is a lot of dense information we've created a briefing book which is really an executive summary of some of the key takeaways from that existing conditions report. And so this is really broken up into six different chapters. But this is a short and sweet piece that you can share with others and neighbors, community members, organizations to just highlight where we are. So a piece of it is looking at land use and community character. And this is interesting because it's really looking at our demographics and the projections and where we're heading but also just what is our community now? What does zoning and land use look like? Most of our city is actually zoned for single family residential. And I don't think a lot of people realize that. And also we are looking at doing a new ordinance related to missing middle, which may change that. But this general plan update will also look at our land uses laid out in a way that works and are we focused in the right ways? Social and environmental justice is really key. So there is new legislation but we are very blessed to be able to be funded to do this work in a real meaningful way and really get greater engagement. So this is really a focus on where are the limitations? Where is there a lack of infrastructure or a lack of access to either government decision-making but also lack of access to healthy food? We know from even just the basic census data that there is a wide gap in just the basic needs of our community and even did the life expectancy from neighborhood to neighborhood. And so this data will really help us as a jumping off point to look at the indicators to help us align our policy discussions about how we can alleviate some of these issues and actually create solutions around environmental justice and access. And then of course it will be looking at our safety element not just related to wildfire but unfortunately we are subject to other things as well including earthquakes. So making sure that we have the right tools and the toolbox to protect against these things and to recover if necessary. And then again looking at our housing and how that really ties into our economic growth. And so this data will actually provide a lot of good information on the household income and educational levels and just where we're at as a community as far as the economic piece. And then one of my favorite sections is looking at transportation and travel. We have done a regional travel behavior model recently which was really interesting to see how many people live here and commute out and how many people actually commute by bicycle and what neighborhoods are actually able to do that. And this is the first general plan update we will have since SMART has been a fixture. So there's a lot of opportunities for expanded multimodal access and where people actually need to go. And then there's also a lot of data related to parks and our public services and looking at the gaps and where what neighborhoods don't have access to open space or parks and I'm just looking at our city facilities and our ability to serve the community as well. So what we've been doing as part of this effort is creating vision statements and really they're aspirational. They're big picture and we are hoping to move these forward to the city council and the planning commission at a joint meeting on July 20th. So so far we've heard from our technical advisory committee our community advisory committee and we're in the midst of doing workshops. So tonight is actually our 10th and final community workshop. We've been going to each council district and at least for one meeting and in most cases we've had also a Spanish monolingual meeting as well or bilingual meetings in addition. So it's been a really great process to really hear from the community even though we're kind of stuck in this virtual environment. So it's still been pretty successful. So we look forward to reporting out on everything that we heard. So these are some of the draft vision statements that have come out of what we've heard so far and they're really just a place to consider and react to. These are not set in stone but all these words really represent what we've heard so far. And so I'm just gonna touch on each of these but inclusive and just has been a big conversation piece as far as what that word means to a lot of people but we are hearing inclusive as something that's coming out for a lot of people of just making sure that we have opportunity for participation and that everyone has access and is invited. And just really looking at that environmental justice, social justice piece in our community. Healthy really looking at that connection between health and the built environment and making sure that we have all the components for our community to really thrive. And I just realized I said thrive it's a Kaiser funded health piece but resilient is another word that's caused a lot of conversation in our workshops. I think there's a part of our community that's a little tired of being resilient and having to be resilient but it does reflect our ability as a government and community to really react and bounce back after hazards prepared and shelter. So prepared really making sure that we do have preparedness in mind to be able to protect against natural hazards. And then sheltered looking at that access for housing for all and really making sure that we have that opportunity. Equitable. So again, thinking about just and inclusive and making sure that we actually have equitable access for everyone when it comes to education, child care or for all pieces of how we connect in our community. Successful and connected. So successful really looking at that economic piece again and making sure that we do have an economy that's really thriving and is reflective of what our community needs. And connected looking at that multimodal piece and making sure that we have safe and accessible transportation options for everyone. Safe, again really looking at safety not through just hazards but just personal safety and neighborhood safety and educated making sure that we have access to education and that we're really celebrating the educational opportunities that already exists in our community. Cultural, being able to celebrate our cultures and highlight our heritage and rich history that we have here in Santa Rosa. And then sustainable. So our natural resources again and making sure that that is a key tenant in our work. So I did just wanted to entertain a conversation if you all have feedback on these vision statements. Again, we're gonna be going to a lot of different boards and commissions. We're going to different organizations. Basically anyone who'll let us come and speak at their organization we're trying to get into and we'll be coming back to the Planning Commission and City Council in July to really talk through what we heard and to make sure that we have some concurrence on the vision statements so we can move into our next effort which will be more policy driven. So I'm gonna go back to the slide with all of the different words but just wanted to open it up and see if anyone has any questions or comments on what your vision is and how we can document for this committee what we're hearing. If I might, I think maybe we should start with Adam because I know he has to take off at 1030. So you wanna have any comments, questions Adam? Sure, and thank you Chair Rubinowitz. And yeah, and I'll just rather than kind of when it is 1030 and I'll just kind of disappear if that's okay. Michelle, is that okay if I do that rather than announce myself leaving? Yes, that's totally fine. Yeah, so then if someone's in the middle of expounding upon some vision, then I won't interrupt. But Amy, thank you very much for presenting this to us and I look forward to, I'm lucky in that I get two chances to kind of chew on this and so I look at it now and then when it comes back for a design review, I'll talk a little bit further. But yeah, I think this is a really great initiative and I look forward to all of the information that's going to come out of this and the comments. Glad to hear that you guys are really spreading the feedback and comments all around the community. I think these are really great words and vision words and themes to run through here. But just a couple of things right off the bat. It was interesting to hear that statistic about the single family low density zoning that it's 52% of the city. It's one thing that a lot of cities are grappling with around the country, around the world these days and so glad to see that that's being looked at and will be, and I hope is continued to be and I know it will be to be a topic to look at and see if we can get that percentage lower. And yeah, I think that wrapping into a number of them, a lot of these, which are really great and I like your diagram that you have them overlapping because a lot of them really, there are through lines amongst them all with sustainability and equity. I think thinking about and transportation about climate change and what we can do now to influence the future, really emphasizing in terms of transportation, how we're going to be getting around, how we could be getting around in a more sustainable manner and connecting our neighborhoods. It's one of the things I've seen over the past few years being involved in some of the planning decisions and conversations is that they're in some ways they're pieces of the city that are kind of fractured in ways that try to figure out how to connect them a little bit better. And I think that waterways is one of that, where there's human connections, natural connections and then infrastructural connections too. And I think any way that we can emphasize that will be a great value to our community. One that I didn't see called out in particular on certain it's in there, but is a youth engagement and getting younger voices. Because one of the things that we can emphasize in this process is to get younger folks really engage in creating, it's that idea of creating the next generation of stewards is, that's natural resource wise, but then also to our cities as well. One of the things that's cool these days is that it seems like the discipline of planning is becoming more visible and people are kind of understanding you're getting involved in it. And so I think having younger folks that's engaging to schools, I know it's real complicated right now trying to engage with people in person. Hopefully that would be getting easier, but ways that we can get younger folks involved and really hearing their voices in this. Yeah, I think, you talk about thinking about childcare and things like that. A lot of times when we have our meetings, be they city council meetings or board meetings or committee meetings is the demographics that are able to come to these kind of meetings is not necessarily youth, not necessarily families, it's being able to have the time. And so opening it up, I'm really glad to hear that you're saying whoever will have us will go and talk to them. That's great because I think that this really emphasizing that these types of plans are not just put on a shelf, have great buzzwords and interesting pictures of new technologies and how things will get built and potential things, like it's all dependent on funding, but these plans do actually influence how we make decisions in terms of the council, in terms of our boards and committees and you as planning staff. And so just really emphasizing that these are really important vision documents. And yeah, commend you guys for doing this. And I think you guys, this is a really great start and I look forward to seeing how this goes. And I look forward to hearing the results of these community workshops. So I'm great that there have been 10 of them, is what I heard. And yeah, I look forward to seeing this again in the design review, but yeah, I think, yeah, this is a great start and a great initiative. So thank you and thanks for bringing it to us. Do appreciate it. Thank you. Others wanna comment? Yeah, I'll go, nobody else is ready. Amy, you were probably involved with the portrait of Sonoma. And that's kind of a document that you don't hear much about it anymore. It seems like it's kind of buried, but what it pointed out was what we all know is that the Southwest area of Santa Rosa is very disadvantaged with the annexation of Rosalind. We're way, way behind on getting everything built in to the city infrastructure. And it seems like the general plan going forward needs to tilt that way to try to address this disadvantaged area. And I'm not sure that it really does or it will because typically they like to spread things out, but in this case, it's, you know, Southwest is just really hurting on so much. If you look at the percentage of parks that are in Southwest, it's under. If you look at the road conditions and then the housing development is going up quite quickly in Southwest Santa Rosa and yet the infrastructure is lagging behind. And so, you know, we have, there's a lot of developments going on, but the roads aren't being developed to handle what we have right now. And yet we're adding more housing into it. And some of these projections that we're using, you know, I was listening to the mayor the other evening on one of his community Zoom meetings and the projections for water use, you know, they've been done five, 10 years ago and they're projecting, we have plenty enough water all the way going forward. But, you know, when do those need to be re-looked at and changed and re-evaluated as we face what appears to be consistent cycles of drought and consistent requirements to reduce water. And yet we continue to build and we're not quite balancing that. And so it seems to me that we have to put the infrastructure before the development in order to make this very equitable. So I know this is a little bit off the track of the waterways, but it's still just my feedback that I want to give you on this. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. And no worries if it's within WAC purview or not. Mark or Kevin? I mean, yeah, Mark or Kevin want to say anything? Sure. I want to commend the city staff for continuing on the planning process given that the pandemic kind of shut things down there for a long time. We did participate in the latest round of the district specific visioning that Amy was talking about. I was very impressed. There was about 50 people, I think, in the room that we were in. And it seemed a lot of it were kind of transportation related, bike related, but it was obviously the city was getting involved and one would hope that there would perhaps be some younger voices on that call and others in the future. Yeah. So it's interesting that the environmental protection was so high. That's certainly a gratifying thing from our committee standpoint and also the concern about natural hazards, including flooding. I think perhaps the people of the city knew the way that planning, that flooding is planned for and handled might give them a little more confidence in how resilient we are in terms of flooding. Of course, we don't know until a big storm actually hits, but again, it's a long process and I commend the city staff for carrying it forward and I look forward to seeing what happens from here. Thank you, Mark. And if you don't mind, I just wanted to respond because I know Kim, Amy and Neva Sharon needs to jump off, but related to youth engagement because I think you all kind of touched on that. We are launching some youth engagement this summer, which will continue through the fall because we felt like this spring was a little too much with everyone going back in person or hybrid and that kind of thing. But we do have some exciting things that we're gonna launch. So maybe the next meeting I can record out on that and get your feedback on what might work and what you think about the ideas that we have. And we're also working with Latino service providers, which is an organization that trains high school and college students to do outreach and they actually get paid to do that. And so Kaiser funding also funded them. So we have 10 promotories who are working directly with us on the general plan and doing outreach in our Latinx community. So that's been really exciting. So we hope to continue to fund that effort beyond this certain group of promotories that are moving on. But yeah, so I just wanted to note that, but thank you so far for your comments. Thank you. Kevin. Thanks, Steve. And thanks, Amy, great presentation and nice website too. I think having all those documents readily available is really nice for the public. I think the downtown station area plan started that, but I think this website Santa Rosa Forward, I guess is the title is really well done, I think, and very complete. So thanks for that. I was curious about the downtown station area plan and it seemed like that focused so much on development, which I think is great. And I wondered how that was integrated into this general plan effort. When we looked at all that circle of all the terms, the visioning terms, I didn't see a lot about economic development in there or there's something I think about successful or something along those lines, but as far as attracting economic development, keeping us economically vibrant, maybe attracting some more investment from the Bay Area in the city. I wondered how those things were incorporated in the planning so far. Yeah, well, let me respond to the downtown plan first. So that we do have that specific plan adopted and we do have a few other specific plans that are somewhat recent and those will stand. So they're most likely won't be any impact to those because they have had a more focused planning effort for those specific neighborhoods. So, but there's always the opportunity that if the general plan goes in a different direction that there could mean changes to those specific plans. But I think this is also why visioning is so important because with the downtown plan, when we did the visioning for that planning effort and really scoped out what that would include, we heard loud and clear, we need to facilitate development and streamline development. So that was a huge focus for that plan was to look and see how we can encourage and increase development downtown and really remove a lot of those hurdles. So that plan, it will remain and continue that focus. And we have not heard a lot about the economic piece so far in our visioning. It's certainly been kind of an underpinning of a lot of the different issues, but nothing very specific. But we do have an economic sub-consultant on board who will be doing a market study that will help inform a lot of the work. There is a little bit of that in the existing conditions report, but there will be a whole market study done by an economic consultant. And in addition, our missing middle ordinance work, which is just now kicking off, will also have a market study done, specifically talking to developers and doing research on missing middle and why are we not developing those things and what type of products are they looking to develop in that kind of missing middle realm. So we're gonna get some good information on economic piece from a couple of different vantage points. So one specifically on housing and the general plan a little more broadly. So that will be coming along, but I'll definitely document your comments about economic being a big piece to consider. Thank you. Go ahead, do you have something else to say, Kevin? No, that covers the bulk of it. Thanks. Yeah, so I just wanted to comment. I used to be an urban planner. I went to school in urban planning, got a master's and one book that influenced me greatly was called Design with Nature by Ian McCard that inspired me greatly. And so I look at the environment that we live within as a context to our community. And so that's what brings me to be involved not only in this effort, but also I'm a member of the advisory committee for this open space district. So regarding creeks, there is mention of creeks, but I think there could be more emphasis on both preservation and restoration of creeks mentioned because that restoration is particularly important, I think for our environment and for climate change as well. And another issue that relates to creeks is the interconnectedness of people within this creek system because we do have certain areas along creeks that are accessible to people riding bikes and walking and so on. And we know that that really has to be the core of how we deal with climate change because transportation is the major impact that in the urban environment to carbon emissions. And so we have a start to that, but we are really not there. Some of the creek projects we have are not totally completed. Santa Rosa Creek, for example, to the east is not completed. We have an opportunity with the Southeast Greenway Project to connect to Spring Lake Park and then to Sonoma Avenue and to the Prince Memorial Greenway. But on the west side of town, we have the water agency trails. And while they are accessible to a degree, there's no interconnectedness. So if you're living in northwest or southwest Santa Rosa, every time you go onto one of these trails, you run into a major arterial, whether it's Pine Road or Gernbill Road or Sebastopol Road or college. And so we really need to think about the connecting these trail segments together so that we can really have a system. Now, I realize there are challenges in getting across the major arterials, but we need to, I think, get away from the fact that these are just for roads and that we shouldn't slow traffic down except for at the intersections. I think we need to look seriously at having pedestrian operated signal or under crossings. You know, under crossings are really expensive. Let's say some means of getting across the arterials so we can connect all parts of Santa Rosa to the downtown and to the other parts of the community so people can access Spring Lake Park from Northwest Santa Rosa without getting in their car. So I think we have a fragmented system and creeks relate very directly to being able to have a more interconnected system. So that's one aspect of what I wanted to say. The other is, I think we need to think broader in terms of open space. And we have great opportunities to protect open space through the matching grant program with the open space district. We have a great opportunity to have green belts around our city as they do in some other areas. I came from Boulder, Colorado to Santa Rosa where they have purchased open space and they have green belts around the city. And so I think if we think more broadly, we can think about green belts around the city, which could provide access to people in the area surrounding our community as well as agricultural or other preservation of natural resources around our community. It could be around our urban growth boundary which I don't believe is gonna be changed if we are truly going to redevelop in the middle of Santa Rosa and use a land more efficiently. And this kind of gets back to what Adam was talking about and is the need to really question whether we need all the single family designated areas in our community because we are not gonna be able to grow outward forever and we really need to develop more intensely. So that is my, a little bit of my vision is creating open space around the community which is accessible through bike trails and other means. You know, we have like Taylor Mountain, for example. Wonderful, but how do you get to Taylor Mountain? You know, it's a little more complicated because you have to get in your car or, you know, it's challenging. Anyway, I'm gonna try to wrap it up here. I've thought about a policy that could be dealing with open space that could be something to this effect. Open space is an important part of our healthy lives and our environment, including benefits of passive and active recreation. These areas, including creeks, should be preserved and restored both within and outside Santa Rosa and made accessible to community residents through trails and paths. I'll leave it at that. Thank you for all the good work. Anybody else? Yeah, could I jump on that, Steve? Cause for me, it's really hard to comprehend how our creeks and bikeways and pathways all, well, don't interconnect. You know, and I think it's really important that we understand that aspect of it so we can identify these roadblocks, so to speak, obstacles that are in the way of interconnecting this. And so it's possible that there's some that are short-term and there's others that may because of private property rights or others are potentially long-term that it would be really nice if we had a really clear, well-defined map that was addressing the interconnecting this and the obstacles and then had some type of, I don't know, discussion about what those obstacles were and pathways to removing or working around or what the plan is just cause we have all these beautiful open spaces like Steve says, and we have the district and there's no more land trust and we have all these resources that help us create open space but we really don't have a good resource that helps us connect them all together. And so I just really concur with what Steve's saying and but I myself, I don't think there's a really good tool even working on the waterways advisory committee when we're working in these things, we've seen these segments that are blocked underground is really frustrating because it's just, I don't know, it's just really frustrating because I just don't see the connecting this all the way through. And we should be prioritizing, right? I mean, we should have, well, maybe there's one that we can really get interconnected all the way through and we have these couple of obstacle spots and we prioritize that and then we have others and then that we can prioritize to try to do this. I mean, this is kind of like a huge overall policy initiative but it seems like, Steve was talking about having a section on open space, this could be a part of, you know, a long-term plan. Well, thank you, Arthur. I appreciate that. Anybody else wanna weigh in on anything, this or other aspects? Infrastructure before development. There you go. I wrote that down. Like a good slogan. Is there anybody from the public who'd like to weigh in, give ideas? If you would like to speak now as a member of the public, please raise your hand and I will call on you. Okay, and I am not seeing any hands for public comment. Okay. Everyone sounds like they've had a chance to weigh in. Quite an open process, Amy. I really appreciate the way you're handling this. It's really great to see it. So publicly accessible in many phases. So good job. And with that, I think we will adjourn our meeting and anything coming up, Amy, that you're aware of or should we just wait and see what develops or wants to develop? Yeah, we'll probably have a better update in a couple of weeks or so but nothing at this time. Okay, thank you all. And with that, we'll adjourn the meeting of May 27th. Thanks everybody. Thank you everybody. Thank you. Next time. Right.