 Hey, we're gonna do a show about Windows You do you mean to say that they finally announced that they're gonna release Windows 9 Wait a minute. Where did I see this hold on? No, they didn't but there was a great Twitter post I'm not gonna be able to find it in my Microsoft Microsoft has sent a clear message today that they will continue to make new versions of Windows and offer them for sale Says casing much more much more exciting than that Actually, there's some cool stuff in here. All right, you guys ready? Yep The Daily Tech news show with Tom Merritt is funded by patrons like you and me each month I pledge one dollar being British. I had no idea what a dollar was So I stayed up for hours researching and discovered that it is about 62 pence to pledge 62 p Or perhaps even more go to patreon.com slash ace detect This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday September 30th 2014 that part of my script was covered. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Molly Wood columnist for the New York Times Welcome to the show Molly Wood. Happy to be here. Thank you for joining us also Patrick Beja host of Loran Devu Tech and Regular contributor to DTNS. How's it going Patrick? Woohoo. It's going excellent. I'm fresh off the plane and ready to rock Windows Wow, wow Really do sound excited Listen, I must have been one of the only people in in the world I'm not afraid to say who enjoyed wind who enjoys Windows 8 So I'm happy to hear what they have next if in store for us All right, we're gonna get to what they announced about Windows 9 right away in the headlines Everybody knows Microsoft announced the next version of Windows will be called Windows 10 and be released sometime late in 2015 Windows 10 will be one platform and app store across phones tablets laptops and desktops more information on those Universal apps will come at the build conference in April 2015 among the new features Microsoft confirmed the start menu will return in Windows 10 and Tiled apps will be allowed to run in a windowed mode as they showed off at build last April a technical preview will be released Starting tomorrow and if you want to get that you got to go to preview.windows.com And also you're not counting wrong. They skipped tonight eBay announced Tuesday it will spin off PayPal into a separate Publicly traded company in the second half of 2015 Carl Icon the activist Investor has been encouraging the company to do so and by encouraging I mean arm twisting But who is in charge after the split eBay's current CEO John Donahoe will step down Dan Shulman recently of American Express will take over as CEO of PayPal and Dave Wenig who leads the eBay marketplace division Will become CEO of eBay look for PayPal to start making them some smooths to take on Apple pay Yeah, that's kind of the argument here Right is the flexibility for PayPal to compete across platforms or even work with Apple pay without eBay saying well We'd really rather you do eBay stuff. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean usually Icans arm twisting which he's famous for Get lukewarm responses from many people, but in this case, I don't think anyone thinks it's it's not a good idea To separate the good come the two companies. I think it's very smart and it lets PayPal I mean we are headed for a platform more between Apple and PayPal and potentially Amazon over payments And it could get a little frustrating from the consumer side I think what we're really about to find out is whether eBay has any future at all as a standalone business PayPal makes up like 40 or more percent of their revenue. I think Yeah, it makes up a big chunk of it and don't forget Carl Icon pushed for this in January and they shut him down Yeah, like until today it was like nope We're not doing what you say Carl Icon at all and then today It's we're gonna do pretty much exactly what you asked us to do back in January Carl Icon well, I have to wonder if he fired up the PayPal people and if PayPal How did he bear it was to tape? Maybe possibly well and Gadget reports Apple has announced the iPhone 6 and 6 plus will go on sale in China on October 17th Apple received the license to sell their phones earlier Tuesday Pre-orders for the phone in China will start October 10th. The phones will support TD LTE and FDD LTE meaning 4g speeds on China mobile China telecom and China Unicom and with that with that report on the New York Times yesterday about the Black grey market sellers complaining. I'm wondering what the sales are gonna look like once this goes official I got a movie riddle for you When is a sequel also a first as you ponder all the I know the answer was it because you're reading the headline? I also looked ahead You guys are so smart Part of the test was learning to look ahead of the line as you ponder all the possible answers to that question The New York Times has theirs Netflix and the Weinstein company are teaming up to make Crouching Tiger hidden dragon the green Legend become the first movie to have a major theatrical release and a Netflix release on the same day Movie will not only be released in IMAX theaters not traditional theaters So it's not quite the full cord killer dream come true But Netflix's chief content officer Ted Serendost said he hoped this will be a proof point that the sky doesn't fall Said theater owners sky's falling Maybe Spotted at Pat at Paris Fashion Week the Apple Watch Apple Insider reports that Apple design chief Johnny I've took his Switzerland terrorizing watch to Paris and introduced it to the likes of Vogue editor Anna Wintour and Chanel's Carl Lagerfield at hip Parisian boutique Colette Mere mortals were also briefly allowed to view the Apple Watch as well making it the first time that Apple's wearable has been seen by the general public I for one would give my left ear to see Anna Wintour's Unvarnished opinion of the Apple Watch because I'm here to tell you I like jewelry and that thing is ugly It is ugly the big one is ugly well one is ugly. It's ugly. Yeah There aren't a lot of people who are fawning over the watch. It seems but there were people queuing two to three hours to just Look at it through a window, you know through a pane of glass. They couldn't even touch it or try it on So yeah, it's not quite that exciting actually you can get a better view of it in We'll see we'll see Recode reports into loaned basis announced a new watch called peak or The peak the peak counter steps measures your heart. Is it your heart or your heartbeat? And Does some smart what stuff like phone notifications using Bluetooth le it also claims four days of battery life and is waterproof It's made of anodized aluminium With a gorilla glass three face and comes in made black brushed silver and that's it Works with iOS and Android starts at $200 and will ship starting in early November May also be ugly. Not sure. Well Better-looking than the Writers reports that outgoing US Attorney General Eric Holder expressed concern about data Encryption that allows you the data's owner to be the only one who can unlock it in a speech to the Global Alliance against child sexual abuse Online Holder said quote it is fully possible to permit law enforcement to do its job while still adequately Protecting personal privacy and that quick access to phone data can help law enforcement officers find and protect victims Such as those targeted by kidnappers and sexual predators Right, so it is fully possible to permit law enforcement to do its job while still adequately protecting personal privacy very interested in in Finding out exactly how this is fully possible. It's adequate Right, okay Totally you reap what you sow situation because even if they have a point We are past the point of trusting the government because they have gone so far That is true. I mean I do do would do would you feel comfortable if the police had a master key to all of the houses in your neighborhood, right? That's the difference is though I do there has been a lot of debate about all of this in the past few days And I'm not gonna go over it But I do want to point out one thing which was left out of many of the debates I've heard which is this is not exactly like a safe or a house or anything like that in that with these Encrypted devices. There is no way that you can get access to it, right? It's completely impossible to get access to those things even if you know, you can't Push down the door or anything like that. So there's a little bit of a difference I think that there's a lot of wiggle room though around impossible when it comes to encryption Yeah, I mean all eventually all encryption gets broken first of all Yes, and second of all, there are some pretty darn good safes out there You know and the only way I would say that no safe is uncrackable is the same way. I would say no encryption is Yeah, and I guess if if someone there's a kidnapping situation and the person is somewhere that you don't know then you also have to Basically encryption of getting the guy to tell you where they are so there's a scenario to there It's like the good old days when they had to use police work Gumshoes Mac writes points out. No, wait. No recode reports Recode reports that Reddit raised 50 million dollars in funding which by itself is not huge news But the interesting thing is that the round was led by Y Combinator president Sam Altman Who says he plans or would like to allocate 10% of the equity to Reddit users How that equity would be distributed or when is yet to be determined Altman says that Reddit might consider doling up shares using a Distributed accounting system a la the Bitcoin blockchain the details are Pretty fuzzy here. Yeah, it makes everybody go. Oh, is he gonna put out a cryptocurrency? Which maybe he would or it could just be like mimicking the blockchain buy stuff from each other Yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean this is this. I mean reddit does take Bitcoin But you can't just put out shares as Bitcoin, right? Because they're shares. They're not they're not Bitcoin. So It'll be interesting to see what they end up doing here So basically in essence what they're gonna do is distribute bits of Reddit to its users, which is well Oh, that's what they want to do Yeah, it is but there might be some regulations issues there as well cuz yeah I feel like the technical side of this is fairly easy to come up with the rules that say, okay Reddit users Here's the blockchain go mine for your shares But the the legal Ramifications of that would sound almost impossible to me course. I also do each Reddit user get like one bit of the Chain thing. So in which case should we start creating tons of accounts to get lots of bits of Reddit? Or or start creating bail wolf clusters to mine our reddit shares Possible I already did that. Yeah Time now for some news from you these are things from our subreddit at daily tech news show reddit.com You don't have to have any kind of super computer of any kind Just go and visit it and you can vote on the stories that have been submitted Or you can even submit some of your own like Metal Freak did he posted the lily puting article that Google's project aura The modular smartphone will allow hot swapping of all the modules Except for the CPU and the screen those two if you swap them out You'll have to reboot a custom version of Google L let you swap out your cameras your sensors Even the battery without having to reboot now presumably if you only had one battery module and you took it out It would lose power But you know if you had two battery story You take out the camera put in a battery plot the dead battery that could work hot swappable or maybe it's plugged in Yeah, a working model of project are will be shown off at a developers conference in December and the phone is expected to launch in early 2015 This is like the longest launch lead-up ever, but I am excited to see it Didn't we talk about like was it a prototype of this on buzz out loud? Yes Two CES's ago at least yeah, there was the phone blocks project which is somewhat similar on on Kickstarter I think I think that is this actually. I think that's why it's assumed in the project aura. Yeah, well, they're working together I'm not sure they got completely Eatin up those guys is I believe as far as I understand aura is phone blocks Mmm. I don't think so. No. All right. Well, you can Google that while I take this next blurb Maranthropology, I know it's mr. Anthropology, but I just like to call him that submitted the CNET article about matchstick at $25 $25 HDMI streaming stick powered by Firefox OS The device is open on the software and hardware side and it's compatible with many existing Chromecast apps and hopes to have more apps From the Mozilla developers created by launch time backers of the matchstick Kickstarter can get the stick at a discount It is unclear to me why you would want this over the Chromecast, however wider selection of apps Potentially an open-source hardware so you could like put it into other things even more easily Are the only those are the big advantages I could think of but I already have my Chromecast and I love it I named it magic cast because it works like magic And and if you already have a Chromecast, you're right like you probably don't need this I guess Google already knows what I'm watching. So that's a problem. Maybe that's the privacy minded might want this Yeah, that's good point It's powered powered by a Firefox OS. So maybe it will do other things that might be interesting Mm-hmm. Yeah, and it will work with a lot of Chromecast apps. So it gives you Chromecast apps Yeah, I mean it is true that right now if I want to cast anything from the web It has to be via Chrome, which isn't everybody's favorite thing, right? Phone blocks seems to be independent, but they are working with Project Ara with the Google's Google's team So I'm not sure exactly what happens there, but obviously if when Ara comes out I don't think many people are gonna be paying attention to phone blocks, which was kind of hoping to I know the project Are I brought the phone blocks guys on to the team? Sure So maybe that means that after project are as launched they can go back and do some some kind of competing version if they Wanted something anyway, I Also, apparently No, please do I was just getting way too into that story because apparently it was like it was Motorola that launched project Ara, but is that gonna go with them when they are acquired by Lenovo? Stay with no project are staying with Google. It's part of the research lab That's the one little piece of motor that Google kept is the research stuff. Yeah. Okay. All right and Macbytes pointed out the Apple insider story that Apple issued a patch late Monday to fix the shell shock vulnerability In OS X OS 10 OS 10. That's what I said The update fixes the security flaw in bash for OS 10 Mavericks mountain lion and lion Users have to configure certain services for us tend to have been real Users would have had to configure certain services for us tend to have been roll roll roll roll But now even those users have a fix I don't even know what we call that tense in English to be honest The would have had to to have been would have had to to have been it's the past totally messed up Super messed up. This is what that is. And that's all I get the headlines. I'll call it windows one one. Oh Thank you feel anything The bit like the bit literally the biggest news about the new version of windows is that they did not call it windows 9 Those rascals you know what you know what well So first of all Mike Dan on Twitter said they just count windows in base 9 It just makes sense When now they now though yeah Second of all, you know, it's I think it okay. First of all, it's easy to make fun of and I'm sure we're gonna do a lot of that in this discussion, but Just calling it windows 10 is making it a bigger story. I mean we're all talking about it so much I think it gains them some mind chair and some attention I think there's a lot of people that are gonna be aware that there's a new version of windows coming out for Just because of this that wouldn't have been aware of it. Otherwise, yeah And it is a fair point that what they call it doesn't shouldn't really matter as much But it is what everyone has latched on to I mean the first thing I was like really windows 10 Like you just go from 8 to 10 like It was really enough to call something vista or XP or me But to just like and I were just gonna skip a number, you know, whatever Windows 7 at least they had like Kind of convoluted argument that this was the seventh version even though it arguably was not We just said doesn't even have a logic behind it I think it's very interesting because for the consumers who are not paying attention to today's announcement and are not Aware or that there's a tech build and whatever and are just going to be shopping for computers in another year Who have been nothing but angry about windows 8 are going to mentally I think perceive a large distance Between windows 8 and windows 10 and they might just be like oh You know, they've obviously fixed everything that was in because they're already up to 10 like I must have missed 9 But 10 can't possibly be as bad as what I mean I think there's like a whole wraparound marketing effort here I think you're right because that is kind of how they tried to explain it Like they made up the story that they did windows 9 and it was so good that they couldn't release it Which is just dumb what they did. Yeah, that was in the announcement We tested windows 9 and it was perfect. So we decided to just move on windows 10 It's kind of what you're saying. They want people to think like oh, well, you know This must be the even better. They want people to perceive a huge distance a huge difference between 8 and 10 I think 10 sounds sexier for some reason Yeah, now that sort of belies what's going on here, which is the return of the start menu They were very intent on easing windows 7 users fear in in the press conference today They they were talking about the start menu is back and and your taskbar works better And the charms bar isn't gonna pop up accidentally when you're down on the right side They and I think they have some some some logic to their argument here Which was windows 8 was really good for touch devices and not so good for desktop devices windows 7 was really good For desktop devices not so good for touch devices and in windows 10 what they're trying to do is say we want one operating system That will be working really well on touch devices and desktop and to be good on desktop We have to bring this stuff back But they doing some smart things which is if you switch like you got a hybrid, right? And you pull the the the screen off to make it a tablet it will ask you do you want to go to tablet mode The keyboard off. Well, yeah. Oh, right. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, okay. Sorry my when you when you Change it when you convert it into a tablet It'll say do you want to go to tablet mode and if you do from then on when you click or tap the start button It will give you the tiled screen, which is what you want on a tablet. I think that is really smart That's what they should have done in the first place It is if it works. Yeah, no, I mean it's definitely I think I think they're they're doing a lot of things This one included basically what they're calling this continuum Which is which will remind some people about the continuity feature iOS 10 Mavericks and I'm sorry OS 10 Mavericks and iOS 8 Which makes the the mobile and desktop devices work Seamlessly together and that's Apple's approach, which is to say we have two completely separate Devices to different ecosystems and both of them are gonna communicate and the idea behind Windows 8 was to have one operating system that would actually Work in both cases obviously it didn't work out as well as as people might have hoped but in this version They're making this one OS Morph from one UI to the other in the different use cases and that's what they're calling continuum And I think it might it might work out It really takes the learnings from Windows 8 which again I don't think was as bad as people are saying it is especially in the desktop mode You don't really have to see the other mode if you don't want to but they're taking the learnings from that And there was a lot of work in UI and and design and they're integrating it in a very in a much more Coherent way into that ecosystem and they're also making sure they made the point of this They're also making sure that people who are comfortable using Windows 7 are not going to have to relearn The UI because all of the touch stuff is going to be completely obfuscated if you don't want it if you're on a desktop And that's obviously a big very important aspect for the business customers Which represents a big part of of Microsoft's user base of Windows user base I think there's some really I mean we'll have to wait and see how it works, but there's some compelling stuff in there Isn't there I think it's an interesting philosophical It's a really well-defined philosophical difference between the way that Apple is executing on desktop and mobile and the way that Microsoft is now claiming that it will finally after all of these years consistently execute across devices and There is a potentially strong argument that if this continuum thing works Well if the navigation is familiar that that will make sense to people I would argue that One of the things that Microsoft has done over the years that has given them trouble is try to make Make their devices do too many things Right like turn the Xbox into a media streaming box and confuse the reason that you want the Xbox or make the surface be both a tablet and a laptop and also a really expensive laptop, but not all the way a tablet and Like Microsoft tends to confuse its message there is something really pretty simple about a desktop operating system and a mobile operating system and Optimizing the experience individually and not asking one operating system to transition from one to the other and so if Because I don't always trust Microsoft to pull that off. I'm a little nervous about how this hat trick is gonna go But if it leads to familiarity and comfort across devices That's kind of positive too and let's be honest like more people are gonna have desktops Then are gonna have windows mobile devices anyway, so it might not be that much of a big deal for that many people Well, yeah It almost makes it more of a problem of the of the form rather than the function Right because the form is hard to pull off as well. Yeah, it is but the thing is if let's be honest I think we all want one device that functions as in all of these use cases I mean ultimately, let's say it is possible. I think we'd be happier having devices that Morph depending on how we want to use them, which is ultimately what they're trying to do They're because in reality, there's they still have the different UI metaphors for touch and for desktop It's just that one of them is prevalent when you're using it in a different use case And if we can have the same device It might that we can use for all of those different things and it adapts to our uses I think that's a very interesting approach and given one of the issues that we had before was the fact that The file system in itself would be separated between the two very often because of the you know The apps would be sandbox and all of that now with the the cloud You don't really have that problem as much You have a synced folder and it all works synchronized with the cloud and it doesn't really matter if you're you know If you have different file systems here and there so It I think there's it doesn't mean that it's completely as they're saying, you know one windows It's the same windows for everything. That's not exactly true I think it's two different or maybe even three different systems because it is also the the windows that's gonna power the Xbox one For example, it is different OSes, but they just integrate really well in the way they relate to files So you can use equivalent apps on the different metaphors to manipulate your your your you know your the documents you're working on And they're morphing from once you why to the next effectively one OS to the next Depending on the use case I don't think they're because of all the work they've done with Windows phone and Windows 8 I don't think they're far off from actually being able to pull it off And if they can't do it with Windows 10, they'll just do it with with Windows 11 You know, I think what Molly's identifying though is that there's a there's a definite mistrust That we developed under the Balmer years of being told that this is absolutely gonna do what you want And then it doesn't right and so this time I think I think Microsoft has identified that too because they were very careful to say We know you wanted to be able to run tiled apps in Windows We're doing that we know you've for decades wanted to control the directories into the command prompt and we're gonna risk the Mocking of the world by showing them that off in the command prompt in this I mean, they were very focused on we're listening to you and we're trying to add this and that's that technical preview That's coming tomorrow is please help us test this out We're going to make this available much earlier than we ever had in a wider range than we ever had The and this goes along with what Phil Spencer has been doing at Xbox saying we're listening to you and we're adapting Where I think they really are trying to win that trust the question that Molly rightly brings up is Will they will they actually execute can they execute and you know, I mean, I think there's an interesting I think we are at a point where we are ready to have a really serious conversation about What we want from operating systems what we as consumers want from operating systems like from my perspective I wanted to go away. I want it to be essentially invisible. I realized like I switched I It is unfair for me really to talk very much about Windows because I don't use it I've been on the max for years part of the reason was because I realized that I was software I am OS agnostic because I live in a browser and because I live in the cloud and So I don't I'm not as interested in software. I don't want there to be like a platform war I don't know that I want my desktop to act just like my mobile device I'll do it though I wouldn't be great if I could just like reset all settings the way I kind of my mobile device on my mat You know, I mean, I think there are certain behaviors that I want to carry over That are Different use cases from where I might want what I might want in a workplace desktop And I think that Windows that you know, some of that still matters. I Do understand the argument that there could that would be great to have like a file structure on an iPad But personally I don't need it And so there's there's a question so I think Microsoft is trying to answer the question about what people want their OS to do for them and where Maybe it will be easier to maintain one code base too by just having sort of one operating system and not splitting Resources, I don't know. I'm just really curious to see how this is gonna execute and how often I think some of that stuff About continuum is like sexy to show off But I suspect that that's not what people are gonna use very often That's like a limited audience of like yoga Yeah, and I think that's gonna show its best advantage not in the hybrid situation But in the fact that I can have Windows 10 on my tablet and never notice that it's also got this weird desktop portion Like the surface RT had when it launched Yeah, there's just odd and the vice versa my Windows 8 machine does have that tiled interface But I'm like this is obviously for touchscreen I don't have a touchscreen if that just goes away and if you just don't notice you don't notice That's that's the wind for that if it is actually invisible But it's familiar across devices and it compels you enough to want to use those devices that are familiar like you see a Windows tablet Or you see a Windows phone and you're not sort of put off by how it's slightly different or doesn't seem to make sense That could be a plus Yeah, so I guess the question is indeed do we actually need that thing there that they're developing which is a Consistent core OS or could they just keep going with different OSes, you know one for the phone I think they need it, and I think probably developers need it I don't know that you still have Google saying that they will pursue as many operating systems as they want or at least they have said that in The past with Chrome OS and Android and and then you've got which you know doesn't seem to be going anywhere because Google doesn't follow through drink and You have Apple saying as far as we're concerned there are two operating systems, right? We're doing you have somebody for the desktops and we're doing iOS over here We want them to be able to talk to each other, but they have completely different uses. So Microsoft is really forging Like a solo path and someone is saying we're gonna have this one OS for all devices So they're they're going it alone there. They are charting a new course and it will be really interesting to see how it plays out Alright, let's check the calendar real quick tomorrow's 4 Chan's birthday 4 Chan will be 11 years old and tomorrow is also tech manatee a Conference at downhill in San Jose which features speakers and panelists curated by Fast Company magazine and Networking and music events produced by concert powerhouse live nation So, you know, it's another day in Silicon Valley runs through October 2nd Our pick of the day is Windows 9 No, it's the pick of the day is archive.org Alan Palmer said like many of your listeners I'm interested in the tech of podcasting itself both as an aspiring Podcaster and also out of technology interests you host at archive.org not an obvious choice one Here's about often. Could you use archive.org as a pick and go through why you use it? Well, yes, Alan I will I actually am not hosting Daily Tech News show on archive.org anymore Because the show grew enough that that wasn't the optimal choice But the reason I host all my other shows there is that under a certain threshold Archive.org is free. They want you to host your material there because it's their whole purpose is to collect all the information on the internet So you're helping them out by storing it there. It's one less thing. They have to go gather and it's Gives you all kinds of things like transcoding into og and some stats and and cool cool other side benefits of Nifty things like if you should host a video there, it'll automatically turn it into a jiff For instance, so I just feel like when you're starting out especially and you need to keep costs down It's a it's a great place to go to so that's my reasoning archive.org Send your picks to feedback at Daily Tech news show comm and you can find my picks at Daily Tech news show comm slash picks Our message of the day comes from rich and lovely Cleveland who says the primary problem I see with any social network trying to compete with Facebook This is response to our discussion about elo is that none of them are trying to change the metaphor of interaction They're all essentially copying Facebook the biggest thing Facebook ever did was put the feed up front taking social network from being a page You maintained to draw your friends to look at in a much more passive and consumed experience The problem that path diaspora Identica and now elo will have is that by emulating this same feed metaphor All you are doing is serving people with an inferior version of Facebook with less content to lurk over Path made the argument that people wanted a more meaningful feed with more quality interaction elo is making the argument that people don't want ads in their feed But ultimately both are setting themselves to be inherently judged by the same standards of Facebook's feed and will almost certainly come up Short it's not to say that elo can't be successful You don't need to have a billion users to do that, but it's not setting itself up to supplant Facebook in any sense I don't know how you shift the metaphor to engage users in a meaningful way, but elo isn't it right now Yeah, I don't know that that's oh well. I don't so there Oh, you don't agree, huh excellent Well, so basically I kind of agree with what he is What what you're saying rich, but I don't think that's exactly what elo is trying to do They're not trying to invent something different in the metaphor That what they're trying to do just as diaspora and identica did was play on the sea and thus on the on the business model they're not trying to to Turn the users into you know piggy banks through advertisement They're trying to say we're gonna make you pay for the service and thus you're not gonna be Advertised to the problem is diaspora and identica and a few others have failed because it seems that Users do not want to use these services or at least not enough of them to to to to make these services Successful and that's the fundamental issue people don't want to pay for well most people don't want to pay for stuff on the internet, right? so the part in the part that I agree with is that it is similar to Facebook in That very important way right in terms of content and I am not dissatisfied with the content in my Facebook feed Right, so even if I have concerns about Privacy or concerns about data gathering or concerns about the way they're doing behavioral targeting Targeted truly targeted ads don't really bother me and all my friends are on Facebook So it's any time you're one combination of the two. Yeah, you're sort of saying to you're saying to the casual user Hey, I really I know how you really like that super comfy armchair that you sit in every day But like look I set up this armchair right next to it It's almost as comfortable, but it's like new we're in a little bumpy And it's that relative that buys you a gift to replace the thing you love Wait, you already have that thing and you like it so that you know for the casual user There's no incentive to go over there and try to like build up a new Collection and then all of the people who are following me on LO and I love you and thank you Are people who are not my friends. They're people who are techie and like, you know, like I'm sticking Facebook is my mom network like I'm Yeah in They have two problems Hello, they have the problem that they're too similar to Facebook to provide an incentive for people to go there and drove Yes, and the bet that they're betting on which is people are sick of the privacy issues Actually, it doesn't matter to people. They're betting that it does but it doesn't matter enough to people that they will jump off And they're doing it exactly the time that Facebook is actually making Although they're doing like all this sketchy behavioral targeting stuff Facebook is all of a sudden trying to help you out with your privacy Like you go and get the privacy audit. They get it finally learn They're defaulting to friends only for posts and they're actually making it sort of mean You know they because they realize that people do care about privacy to some extent But what they care about is having privacy in the place where all their friends already My my thing is that what amuses me is everyone compares elo to Facebook And I feel like elo isn't anything like Facebook. I compare it to Twitter. Yeah, I feel like it's more like Twitter Yeah And and all of the people that are I'm I'm finding following me for instance I just got Kelvington is following you on elo. Yeah, Elvington's been following me on Twitter We've been social network buddies for a decade now I mean, these are all the same people that we're trying out Twitter and pounce and Plurk like it feels like those days for Ella And what are that? Yeah, well, and that's why I'm like, okay, is this going to be Twitter? Is it gonna find its its reason for being or is it gonna be Plurk or Pounce and it goes there and plays with it for a While and goes well, I don't really know why I'm here So back to the things I know I know plus I hit the interface and I can't figure out what to do And Twitter has even less of an incident like there's even less incentive for me to leave Twitter. Yeah, like Twitter's fine I have zero issues with Twitter And I have to give you something that says oh, I can't do this other places or oh I really like doing this in here and this is where those people are and I With the central point that reinventing the feed metaphor Reinventing the feed concept to might be the thing that differentiates enough to make us all use a different service But it is true that at this point and I just wrote last week's column was about this like trying to figure out the perfect way To feed people information the balance of what they want versus making money versus Engaging them even when they don't even when they think they're being manipulated and they are all just variations on a feed Well, don't miss those columns people Twitter Dom slash Molly Wood or maybe L. Oh, but really I'm not gonna be there for long like you know what I'm not gonna be there long It's weird that comes like Molly wood Molly wood calm And I don't know no do not go to Molly. Oh, did I I'm totally made that old mistake ever There ever go to Molly wood calm. That's not a sight of Molly calm I'm Molly. I'm really where you want to go is NY times comm slash machine learning. It's true Although now at the Molly calm even better And there's a full rss archive of everything that I write for the times as opposed to just the machine learning column So that's great. I have a redesigned site and it's got like a so do go to the Molly So go to the Molly do not go to Molly wood. I said that will explain later Yeah, or if you do use an incognito tap Patrick Beja. Thank you so much For joy especially because I know you just got right off a plane and it's late there in Paris twitter.com slash not Patrick La Ronde Vutek anything else to let folks know about No, not quite yet. Not Patrick comm is the no no not not Patrick dot com Sorry, well actually it just it just redirects to Patrick Beja But not Patrick on Twitter is the easiest way to follow me and it's easy to remember. 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Talk to you then You're a real fan I just realized that I forgot to be in the chat room, which is really too bad because we were saying them Also, how am I not invited to this tech manatee thing? Oh I mean don't get me wrong. It sounds terrible Molly Picture for tech manatee has like a lot of people with their arms up going whoo in front of like brightly colored. Oh, I'm looking at it right now You do not want to be there. I do not want to be there That is like yeah, I'm sure it's quite fun things opposed to what you are It's you know, that's funny too because just today I was looking at the website for hardly strictly bluegrass, which is happening this weekend Concert in Golden Gate Park and But I never I almost never go because I have it. I do know I'm not good with crowds I'm not good with that at all So the pictures on the front of the heart these bluegrass website are all of like the wrong Like that video that the drone took of the Hong Kong protesters. That's going around the internet Like that and I'm like Do that Yeah, we're gonna live stream that show like I'm like I'm telling you the only good live music anymore It's like live music where it's like 10 people In a place with like the best bluegrass guy ever that nobody knows about and that is the definition of live music is because once everybody finds out about it It's not as fun anymore. You know what jazz fest Jazz fest is still the way to do it. Even the even the fairground stuff at jazz fest is awesome and totally manageable because it's huge and Then the best part of jazz fest is all the little aftershows like all the shows at the Clubs around and they sell tickets like for the 2 a.m. Show or whatever and then you just never know what's gonna happen It'll just be like maybe speak in and trombone shorty dropped in and it'll just be this like not so Tiny little unbelievable show. Yeah, who I got if I gotta go to just I gotta just us Can we go to jazz fest? Yes, let's do it. I missed it last year, but I had gone Is it it's in May There's two weekends like the end I always go the second weekend But the end of April we go because I miss the Kentucky Derby every year, which I also want to do But I think I have to go to just us. Let's go to just us What is it run like Thursday through Monday sort of thing yeah Two weekends in a row that's just us org. Yeah, so we could do like a Friday show and then jazz it up Yeah New Orleans jazz fest not SF. Yeah, New Orleans. All right, hold on. I think after I think my editor needs me Patrick, can you come? Oh Wait, what to jazz fest jazz fest in New Orleans in May. I Will definitely for sure be there just for me in the crowd You guys there Mollie by Patrick. Nice to see you I Really like Windows 9 as a kid. I know you do And I'm trying to bribe the chat room into into what Windows 8 9 and 10 is actually I like that one Because Windows 9 can sound like maybe you're anti Windows but Windows 8 9 saying no, there was no There was no 9. I actually like Windows 7 no Okay, the votes. Thank you chat room are are going for Windows 9 But no, I think I Think mine 8 9 10 works As long as there's a German in there am I being over sensitive as long as there is a joke about 9 in there somewhere I think that's the winning conceptual vote of the day So whichever one it ends up being is fine by me, but I think it's not by me by the way Windows 9 Really makes Makes the I voted for that one. That's my favorite one and it makes sense to so no offense to Patrick but it's Well, you know, I'm a little bit offended, but I'll survive that ephemeral quality of something is both funny and also completely true In what in like five words, that's true. I Think I'll keep Windows 9 for for my show. Oh, there you go. Then I'm doing next week. Yeah, so your audience doesn't care About being About Germans, I don't know. Oh, we do care about Germans. Believe me. We keep a very close eye on those guys Yeah, now we're getting into European Geopolitical history and yeah I just need to go have a beer Let's see. I'll say slow rain Am I is my video or audio cutting off or is it You've had a couple of audio dropouts. Okay, not persistent But yeah, a little bit here and there. Okay All right. Okay. Anyway, I'm going to jump off Um Tom I need your address because I'm gonna be sending stuff. Okay your it's 870 Santa Monica Boulevard, but you know, do you do you want my do you want the Company shipping address or do you want my home address? Oh? Well, I don't know which one I should send stuff to I'll tell But you know those all right. Oh, okay Thank You chat room you have as always been a wonderful crowd that I enjoy very much and thank you for voting on my thing on show but and Thanks, Jenny and Bye Done Wait done with what? Send him my addresses. I'm exporting right now. I'm exporting a massive headache Don't it don't act well export it, but don't let anyone else import it. Yeah, that would be Ebola We have our first official Ebola case in the United States. I saw Just great cable news was just running out of things to freak out about yeah so now I know poor things and heaven Help us if cable news runs out of stuff to talk about I know Wow So now the four largest theater chains in the US are not going to screen Any day and date releases in their IMAX theaters? Yeah, they say that This is gonna be an interesting fight to watch because you got the Weinsteins on one side Yeah, wait, and you have and you have more Cuban Tom It's Weinstein Harvey will bump beat you in the face if you say his name, okay But yes, it is it is going to be interesting because the one person you don't ever want to get into a gigantic fight with is Harvey Weinstein Like that is that is a serious Fight to have and it's good that he's the one that's going to have it And you got Mark Cuban Who owns the landmark theaters? Yeah, which is really interesting. Oh, I don't know This is a big fight and I think Got it, I don't know. I think theater owners should just like Get with it and then I can move to Montana Why are you gonna move? Oh, cuz then you get at one day and date releases of major motion pictures are Available in VOD for I don't even care how much money then I get to move to Montana Because there will be no benefit in being in a major city Netflix must have written a pretty big check, but that's the thing they kind of can Because you know, they knew a bunch of theaters were going to give them trouble about distribution So they they must have figured that in I Think what they figured is they looked at snowpiercer and saw that they can make that kind of money Well, but that doesn't make sense to me because snowpiercer was by it on demand and Netflix is saying it's free for all my subscribers So Netflix just has to like pay out It's not like they pay the more people watch it. So they just had to come up with a figure Right the wine steams, right said Is is like, yeah, that that'll cover us. That's good enough and then hopefully we can make a little more By making some on-demand available and and getting into some theaters, but that's creating a second sustain That's creating a sustainable business model for day and date releases, which is really exciting Which is like, okay, you know and and You know, nobody's heard about whether this movie is gonna be as good But you bang Lee is directing this one. So he's not they very carefully don't mention the director in any of the stories that I've seen So I think they're doing a smart thing with a movie like this is Instead of spending all that money marketing a movie that hasn't been out for what is it ten years like I'm trying to remember when Crouching Tiger came out the first time December 2000 Instead of falling into the trap that Sin City did with a different time frame They're just gonna embrace it and be get all this free press about being the first in a big fight with the theaters And it is such a Harvey move. It's so well and don't forget Netflix dropped a fair amount of money promoing House of Cards So Netflix is probably going to drop quite a bit of money promoing this as well You know, I would expect to see billboards for this just like I did house cards and orange What I'm curious about with this story to me what's really interesting is How many theaters will they Convince to be on board because the pitch is you can't see it in iMacs at home And what they want to prove is you guys still have a model here But you got to embrace it now Which is our experience is better our experience is the one you can't get at home And if you continue to compete on come here because it's the only place you're going to lose So how many theater owners can they convince of that and of the ones that they convince Even if it's just Cuban in the end You know, how does that play out? How does how successful does it end up being? Yeah, I mean, it's just a big it's a fight that like it's one of those fights that it always takes a big brawler to get into and it's It's a Harvey fight Um Oh metal freak. What if it hurt? What if Netflix hurts the movie draft? Uh, I think that no matter what uh people will still go to the movies because not everybody has air conditioning And it gets really hot in most of the country during the summer and I think that That that is still going to win out every time and also the movie draft is a relative concept So if someone can always win it Yeah, that's I think this is really interesting for the movie draft, right because Let's say that that movie draft That movie comes up crouching tiger and you're like do I want that like how much it's not about Will it make money it will make money in the theater as long as it's in some theaters It'll make money the question is how much should I spend on it? How much will it make and that that's a total wild card Because there's no way I max only like the only way you could figure out what an I max only release was is to go back in time and look at all those I max movies that they used to play in the science museums and see what those made Like Yeah, I mean that's I don't think you can track it. That's still not it's not gonna it doesn't ever In a window of a movie release in between all these other big summer. Well, actually it's it's august 28th So it's at the tail It's hoping to capitalize on the fact that by august 28th all the big movies that come out and I max are going to be over That's an interesting That's another interesting choice. Yeah Yeah, I would agree beatmaster if best chris devins ever in beatmaster in a snow piercer very good movie Even if it just it did at the end sort of Never mind. I was about to do a bad thing. I didn't do it All right. I'm out of the post done and done now Event nicole brown is departing community. I seriously I just can't keep up I can't keep up All right, thanks everybody for watching We'll see you tomorrow