 Relief picture for the Cardinals, the Diego's is running in to the game. You can see these got a little shiny spot on his hat There the umpire saw it. Joe West the crew chief says, hey, can you take the hat off? He says my hat Why he says oh that spot? It's just the rosin over there and then the sunscreen on my arm and then when I touch both I touch my hat it leaves a mark and Joe says okay Yeah, but can you just take it off and put on a new one because we don't want anyone getting Mad at your for it and like well you're you seem like the only one being mad right now Shilth comes out and he's like about to give him his hat And then he yells at Joe s and Joe s says get out of here and Shilth's like now He's now the Shilth gets on his soapbox because this is such a big problem in baseball And he's saying don't do that to this kid. There's no reason to do that to him There's guys that are doing much worse. That's the problems the guys digging into their hands throwing with football shit Those are the guys you got to worry about not this dude who's got sunscreen and rosin touching his hat And so he gives him a near full. He's mad and Joe West is kind of like dude. I set the record Oh, and Geegos gets a new hat there and you can see him say it's fucking stupid And they puts the new hat on his head it fits perfectly So good job whoever had the replacement hat ready to go catch your hands that to the that person ump says come here Little boy come here. Yep gonna need you take this hat guard it with your goddamn life says oh my god That's intense. They go and lock it in the umpire room as evidence. Did it affect? The rest of the inning for Geegos. No chuck out a bray you and then he strikes out your mean Nice pitch nicer pitch. Yeah, don't think it affected him there. That is nasty Now Joe West actually talked to the media and gave answers, which is good a lot of umpires don't do that They asked who initiated the investigation He said that second base umpire saw it and rather than it become a confrontation rather than allow Tony LaRusso whoever to yell they're like, let's just have him change hat that way. There's nothing bad going on That's basically the gist of what he says and then they say why was he not ejected and he said well We didn't want to put him in jeopardy. We did it as a defensive mechanism for everybody We wanted the players to play the game We don't want anybody to be accused of cheating or any of that stuff So it's smarter just to remove the cap then let him pitch and have somebody come out and complain Which is fair enough. I guess the bigger issue is that there's a bigger issue at hand And that's what Schilt was upset about. This is baseball's dirty little secret and it's the wrong time in the wrong arena To expose it so Schilt ain't wrong. This is the early stages of something very big That's gonna be a loud story and I guess this is the start of it We've been trying to cover it as best we can on our podcast talking baseball We've done a lot of conversations about it But the general public doesn't seem to care because for years and years and years Batters have told fans. It's okay if pitchers use some stuff to get a better grip We'd rather them have control over the ball than hit us and there's a difference between grip and spin And that's the big thing right now having grip on the ball having their hands like tack and feel good Batters don't really care. But what they're doing now is they're helping with spin They're literally gluing their fingertips to the ball so that their fingertips stay on as long as Possible to get that final spin. That's That's the new thing. That's what people are upset about. It's not grip. It's spin Did you have some sunscreen? Does he use rosin to help lap? Possibly are these things that baseball really wants to crack down on? No, it's not I know that completely firsthand from the commissioner's office sunscreen and rosin is absurdly sticky and you're telling me what I can't protect my body from these harmful UV rays Like yes, I'm gonna put sunscreen on my arm and I'm gonna put rosin where I'm at Trevor Bauer And he's been at the forefront of this for a while in 2018. He said yeah, I touch my arm It's sunscreen mixed with rosin. Someone asked him is that allowed? He said both are legal substances the combination of the two is technically illegal gray area for sure But he's admitting to it on Twitter in the act saying yeah, I do it and no one cares And I mean that's why you have these funny clips of Lance Lynn bathing himself in rosin Just rubbing it all over his body No one has cared about that for the longest time and no one will care about that as long as we go They care about the new shit these pictures are doing. There are people that are effectively and Not even trying to hide Essentially flipping the bird at the league with how they're cheating in this game with concocted substances if you have this substance that isn't Pine tar or sunscreen rosin or whatever it is and you're actively going to that so you can turn your 2500 slider into a 29 or 3000 slider for that one pitch That is cheating in that report They talk about having baseballs come out where there's like literally like strings of glue coming off the ball And that's not okay because that's cheating. So there you have a manager on record saying it's cheating You have two active pitchers saying it's cheating. We had an article come out J.T. Romudo a catcher in the league He basically said we got a crackdown on this stuff. It's not fair You see pitchers out there all game long doing this touching their mitt They're not doing anything about it if they crack down it would help He says he sees it all the time Josh Donaldson was treating with Dallas Braden. He said stop cheating So now you got another player saying that this is cheating Dallas Braden says we both know the difference between pine tar rosin and what the new stuff is Donaldson says I agree. I have an entire catalog of videos of these guys cheating. It's coming out So JD can't wait to see that we had a bunch of other people on record saying that when you watch these guys from the dugout You can almost hear the ball ripping out of their gloves because they're gluing their fingers to the glove Adam Deval Said it's pretty frustrating picking up a foul ball And seeing it covered in sticky stuff So you just got more and more players coming out on the record Stating their displeasure and calling it cheating But you know who was doing this two years ago and no one was listening to Trevor Bauer in 2014 He tweeted out asking for help. Hey anyone else that likes science How do I increase my spin rate on pitches? He already had figured out that spin rate is What makes a pitch effective? He just wanted to figure out how to increase it And then he went to the lab and he cracked the code in 2019 He said foreign substance has been shown to increase spin rate up to 500 rpm. That's revolutions per minute 2600 spin rate is is really good 3000 is like top crazy top tier. He said Bauer said the evidence is undeniable followed that up He said if only there was a quick way to increase spin rate like what if you could trade for a player knowing that you could bump His spin rate up a couple rpm overnight Imagine the steels. He said it's not fair I would just like to play the game on a fair playing field and it is far from that right now Easy solution is just legalized sticky sticky substances so everyone can complete fairly so way back Bauer was the one Advocating for making this illegal or legal or MLB just saying something about it And no one did anything Bauer even was given out the formulas He said pine tire firm grip Coca-Cola boiled melted together in a metal coke can maybe some rosin just to guess He even went on record and said that Brent Strom Taught him to use pelican batwax on his glove in the strings and in the Fingers to get a better grip on the ball back when he was 14 Brent Strom's the pitching coach for the Astros No one cared in 2018 Trevor Bauer tweeted that he knew for a fact his fastball could get 3000 rpm if he were using sticky stuff at the time he tweeted that he had zero MLB fastballs at 3000 rpm or higher. He had thrown 18,000 over seven seasons zero 3000 rpm or higher. He even tweeted out a great plan. He said that it's very clear that sticky stuff increases Spin rate and increased spin rate equals more effective pitches more effective pitches Equals greater chance for success and future compensation So Bauer was the first person to be screaming this saying it's unfair Realizing I Guess they don't care, but now everyone seems to care a lot because it's just gotten out of hand What MLB did before this season is they said they were gonna collect balls and look at stat cast data to try and crack down On the illegal foreign substances being used by pitchers and then they just made it about Bauer They said Bauer's investigated by MLB for using foreign substances on multiple balls Per the report the balls had visible markings and were sticky The one dude who was trying his hardest to tell you you got to take control of this or it's gonna become a problem They now name the main person which is all bullshit Because they actually went to each clubhouse and told the players we're collecting data, but don't worry We're not gonna do anything about it this year We just want to figure out what's being used and how much it's helping as MLB is just collecting baseballs to do a study Like they're not doing anything with them. No one's under investigation or no one's like Just these these gossip bloggers just out here writing stuff to try to Throw water on my name or whatever. I don't know this personal vendetta's I guess And the manager of the A's Bob Melvin backed that up He said this year they're looking at baseballs to kind of take stock on maybe doing something uniform Down the road as far as what substance could be used. That's what Bob Melvin said and Every pitcher that's doing this is being as obvious as obvious can be No one cares MLB has basically given them the free year saying they're not gonna get anyone in trouble The collective bargaining agreement is coming up next year My guess is MLB is doing a study seeing how much this works as they negotiate the CBA this off season Maybe they try to implement a new rule or a standard substance or something but seems the rest of this season pitchers have free reign and The more free reign they have the more we're gonna have batters other pitchers who aren't doing this and managers complain about it because Yeah pitchers are just using they're super gluing their fingers to the ball. It's very much like a corked bat Oh, I had a bad inning. I need to get more glue on my fingers. Oh, I didn't hit that ball far I'll just go use the bat that I made illegally