 I will move on to item four, approve the minutes of February 1st, 2023. Everybody got a copy of the minutes? Any additions or corrections? Very good growth. Yeah, it's a really good job to see it. Any corrections or additions? I'll move to accept. Okay, it's been moved to accept the minutes. Is there a second? Is there a second, any discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Are you opposed? Most carries. All right, all business discussion of library, that I just mentioned, discussion of library recreation for the tax proposal, continuing item. Josh. Yep, so I believe Ronnie on Friday sent an email to all of the board showing you the survey. You have the opportunity to complete that survey as well. The survey will close on March 8th. So if you haven't done that or your friends, please encourage everybody to do that. It is one portion of the survey. I think when we met last month, we talked about that general public would not have the opportunity to fill out the survey. And the city is doing the survey in multiple ways where we get general public feedback, as well as there is a statistically valid survey that will go out that will also represent if we did go to the ballot what the results would be. So that's my update for this month. The results are expected to be back towards the end of March. And when we meet that first week in April, I should be able to present you those results and what the next steps are. Jane. Jeff, I did the survey. And a couple of things came up for me. And I don't know if this is helpful or not. But in doing the survey, I thought a couple of things. Are these going to be increases on food and property tax indefinitely? Or is like a bond where there's limits to it? And the other piece of feedback was, I felt a little bit overwhelmed by all of the things listed together. And it had a negative effect on me. And I'm the supporter of this stuff. But I got a little bit overwhelmed with this much on this one, this much on this one, this much on this one. And then at the end, and if we do it all, it felt overwhelmed. And I'm just a regular citizen. And could I agree with you on that? Excuse me, my concern is that it would intimidate people who really, who's a pain when they really want. In other words, regular guys. I did the survey. I didn't feel that way for what it's worth. I thought it was, it gave me a real good idea. I thought they really, I loved the part where they broke down how much it's going to cost. And I just, I thought it was good to do it. I felt OK with it also. We've been talking about it right here. And that's why it might have been OK for somebody else. I'm not sure how that went. But one question I have, and I think I see that, that was in Spanish also, right? Yes, it was. I thought I saw that. I just want to say thank you for that. That was good. It was there something on there that indicated what kind of an increase it would be, if I would call. It's been a while since I read it, that it was going to be so much per $100,000 on the whole or something like that. I did say that. How much was that? I think it used to be $500,000 at home. And it gave a dollar amount of what the increase was. I remember that. I don't know. That's all right. I got it. I can remember that. But we're spitting up information. And Janine, back to your question. So based on what I know today, the property tax would sunset at the end of when the projects were paid off. The sales tax would continue, because that's going to pay for the ongoing operation of these new things. It would be helpful in one of the surveys to state that. I kind of shared Janine's, I'm sorry, did I interrupt you? Well, I was just thinking also that I don't honestly know what percentage of our community, what percentage of their own homes, what percentage rent. And that kind of would be helpful too. Like, do 70% of the people that live in long mind own homes, and therefore, would be affected by the property tax? Things like that came up. No, I added up. Actually, I didn't add up very well. But I did add up the dollar amounts on the taxes. I don't remember what it was, but it got to be a good one. On all of them together, it's got to be a good box. Yeah, it's like a limited property tax. $255,000, you know, all passed together on $255,000. And we paid for it too, because there are news now. And I thought that maybe, I'm sure you're concerned. I was a little reluctant to say yes, that I booked for my bid. Because I thought it's the right thing to do. But I didn't think that I am going to feel it in the pocket. And I think part of the reason of the survey is to get a feel of where those that fill out the survey feel about the broad numbers of programs. Based on that information, and Marsha, please jump in here, counsel will probably use this information to determine, does it all go on the ballot? Do we cut it down or how to move forward? So nothing says today that that full $255,000,000 set of questions would go. That's yet to be determined. Yes. Not just whether it all goes on or not, but we'll be debating how many ballot questions to divide it up into. So it could be that each amenity is a separate issue. Or it could be that they are grouped, like all of the parks and recreation stuff isn't on one. And all of the cultural stuff is on another. The council and the city have already done two things, one of which did not make it to the ballot. These last night, we moved to allocate some oil revenue money out of the general fund to partially fund the planned work on the museum that would otherwise be on this bond issue. So you'll get about a 10% discount for that item going forward. The other thing to notice is that there is this deal, which the economic development partners have just endorsed last night to build the Center for Arts and Entertainment. But there is a private partnership that is going to raise the first $35 million to pay for it. And until they make that money over to the city, the taxes don't begin. So that tax would begin not now, but probably three to five years from now. It all goes away if they fail to raise the money. So that one is half price, essentially, to the public from what the amenity costs. And it also brings money into the city, which the others don't. Do you need the private donors committed at this point? The irrevocable pledge is being drafted by their lawyers, I understand. So nobody has. There are people verbally who have stepped up and said, I will give $2 million. I will give this $5,000 a year toward this until it's met. So yeah, there are some people who have stepped up. And again, the board of directors of the downtown, I'm not the DDA, the LEDP, have endorsed it. And the estimate is that the primary employers will probably who really want this because it helps them recruit, that they're probably good for $20 million of it. That's the hope. So that's what I know. I don't know whether it's possible to change the location of some of the recreation stuff or not. How's it to be determined? There's been no discussion of it except that we have some strong indications that our kids, especially on the north side, are in problem. That also has the fewest public amenities for young people. And so maybe at the council retreat, which will be before the council refers anything to the ballot, some changes might be made. I want to go on record as saying that I will donate $48.16. OK. How do you come up with that move? I just pulled it out of the air. And I'll raise you a coin. I'll raise you a coin. You'd like to make that monthly. I did notice on this survey, I took it also. And I noticed one of the first questions was ranking all of the agencies in terms of overall importance. And senior citizens was on that list. And I was just wondering, I thought it was good. But what use is the council going to make about it? I think it got a feel of where people are currently participating or using facilities was the driver for that. I thought it wasn't asked that way. I'm sorry? The question wasn't asked that way. Which ones you use? Use versus. Let me. What is most important? Most important. Yeah. Quite different. I don't know. Again, to get a feel of what is important then. So if that lines up in mid-range, just to give you an example, that would help the senior center as far as possible. Funding, is that right? Resources of some kind. Not necessarily. I think it gives council good feedback of how important a senior center is. But again, the rec center would include the programming space for seniors. Again, not a full center, but additional programming space. I also like the way they had you. How did they do it? They had you rank the various ones. The project? Yeah, it was my project. I thought that was really useful. That's real professional, I thought. Even though it's going to be sort of like. Well, I'm sorry. I was acting like it's still there. I apologize. I think we may have emailed about this, but I don't remember if it landed. There's an idea that we could possibly mention this survey in our bi-weekly email that comes out of the senior center. Is that something that? You can do that, but just remember it closes next week. It closes next week. Okay. Yeah. Would have been nice. I don't know. All right. Any other discussion on that? Well, I do want to say there's no rules that say you can't send out an email on a schedule for the cycle. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Once we hit August and it's on the ballot, you and I have to play by a whole different set of rules. Right. But for right now, you could go back to your office and swamp up a letter with that link in it, and there you go. No reason you can't do that. In fact, it's encouraged. David, any conversation with David? All right. Covered up. All right. Before you go on to the next thing, David, I just want to apologize in advance. I'm waiting for a call from Harold Dominguez. Sat by the door. I will zoom out, but that's why I'm not being rude and taking personal calls. Well, I'm good. Class registration. Because that would be you, Ronnie. Class registration. I'm sorry. Yeah. No, we're on. I'm fine. B. Yeah. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. B. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah. I'm fine. I'm fine. B. We have a set there? I have. No, you're right. It's awesome. Yes, sir. It's a stylized customer survey. Is that what you said, or I thought we were talked about? Yeah. Oh. That was where I tracked this. Yeah, last month. That's not at all the same, is it? Well, and you scared us, too, because we weren't ready for that. Yeah. Last night, I very careful. Yeah. I just got stops on those to myself. One, two. That's fine. All right. Is this the agenda? Yeah, this is the agenda report. Oh, okay, I'll take it. So, that's a bunch of little things. Just keep coming back to it. You're welcome. So, you're talking about the survey, right? Yeah, so there's survey results right here. Okay. So, we're just coming back to that. Thank you. So this is my written report. It says we're going to keep coming back. This has different points. But if you go to the second page, number three. So this is the collection of everybody's responses to identifying your top three questions for our customer service questionnaire that we want to implement here in our building. So you have a black and white copy. I'm sorry I meant to print it in color. So your area is grayed off. But those are the top three choices amongst everybody. At the end of the question, it shows how many people pretty much voted for that specific question. So number two, three, and four was everybody's votes. Question two had four votes. Question three had five votes. Question four had four votes. So what everybody landed on was we provided information on where to access our classes and resources. Are your needs being met here at the senior center? And does our staff help answer your questions to provide you the information you're seeking? So now that we have collected these, identified our top three questions, our next step is identifying how we want to roll this out. Do we want this to be in person? Do we want it to be an electronic survey, the mixture of both? So I'm going to open that up for discussion. OK, we'll deal with this before we go on to the rest of your report. I say we'll deal with this before we go on with the rest of your report. Absolutely. Yeah, OK. I think you all remember the discussion we talked about. Maybe someone coming in, each of us coming in once a month or something like that for a few hours and interviewing people. And for a period of time that we didn't really specify. That's one approach. What's your pleasure? What do you think we should do? These seem to be the most important issues as agreed to by our group here. So what do you think? Julie? Is there a way to have this survey given to each one of the instructors of the class that we get part performed? And maybe they could do something like that at the end of their class or hand it out to the folks that are there. It's just another idea. Because you haven't tend to buy attention of people. So they grab it as they go out and then maybe they can return it to the practice or something like that, such. Administratively, is that possible? Can you do that? So what I'm working on with our team is submitting something similar. But it's more specific to the class specifically. And could we piggyback off of that? Absolutely, and possibly. My only concern is, are we going to confuse the two for? Are my question three specifically, it says, are you being met here at the senior center? Is that going to be confused with where I need to met for this class I just completed or this lecture I just completed? Could we piggyback off of it? Absolutely. We just need to be very clear of class survey versus senior survey. You can head at class questions. Overall, senior center questions are right. So it isn't confusing. And so in this work, I took a previous survey that they used to implement in the past. And it was 15 questions. And it felt overwhelming. And so I worked with everybody with the recreation team to condense it to be some of them overlapped. And we combined. And so we landed on, I think it's six. We condensed it to six. And so with this approach, can we do this? Yes. The whole purpose of us condensing was to minimize and not make it feel overwhelming or just another thing for our patrons. So I'm going to open up to the question I have is, by adding three more additional questions, is that still going to feel like too much? Yeah, do you hit that overwhelming point? Right. Do you hit that overwhelming point, going from sense questions to nine questions? And my point would be that we'd have to make sure that you don't get duplication. Because I'm in a yoga class and I fill the whole thing out. And then I go to a lecture. Got to be sure that I don't fill the whole thing out again. So I only answer those questions once. Right. I'm going to get to many questions. The answer is kind of wondering because I don't know about what best would be. I'm wondering if we could take a week in the traffic. Have somebody sit at the table and ask people if they come in the door or ask their leaving if they would answer these three questions. And then we might now, if people didn't want to do that or we didn't get a good response from that, then we have to put the questionnaire at the check-in desk so people could fill it out while they're waiting in line. But that would give us a little more information. That could be like the next light people had a table. Well, very approachable. I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. Next light had a table in the lobby for a number of days, weeks. I'm not sure. Oh, OK. And we can have an advisory report represented. It's doable. So are we exploring more of an in-person option versus adding it piggyback? And I think the advantage of that, including that, would be that people would, in addition to answering the questions, would talk some more and give us some more information, though. So then it wouldn't give us a separate notebook to take down those comments or a computer there. These are such small, short questions that I've even sat there with a piece of paper and jot down responses. So they wouldn't even have to pick up a pen if they'd just be willing to give me that input, right? Jeff, you mentioned something like, for qualitative purposes, it's probably better to have something like this and have just kind of a conversation, so to speak. You get more, probably, better information. So I was thinking about that. And I thought, I was going to do this, and I kind of like your suggestion of having somebody out the door. Anyway, if I was going to talk to someone, I think I would use these as a stimulus so to speak to get people talking and then just kind of go where the conversation goes. And I'd make sure I'd cover those three points, but then add on to it for more of the qualitative kind of stuff that you're talking about. I don't know if the rest of you would approach it that way, but I think that's what I'd do. Well, most of them are yes, no. Yeah, that's what you're talking about. Right. Get your old counseling skills out. If you add a general fourth question of, is there anything else you'd like to share? Yeah, exactly. I've got something like that. But people that want to talk more can. People who don't? I just wonder how many people you're going to hit in the lobby. I think if you're going to ask these questions, it should go out in a newsletter. I mean, if people are on the newsletter list, just send it out in a newsletter. I mean, they can look at it or not, and they can respond. Can they respond in the newsletter? I mean, not a newsletter, but in a male and male survey. Right. Yeah. So there would be ways to think of it. I would think you get so much more information that way than waiting for people to walk into the lobby. And when they walk into the lobby, they're usually on a mission of going somewhere, and they may not want to take time to fill out a survey or to chat. I don't know. So if you're not talking goat, you're talking to a survey. Yeah. I agree. I think you'd get more of a response that way. Survey is a costly thing. I mean, just post it. No, no, no, no. Email. Email. Oh, yeah. Survey monkey. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm from the 1980s. You're fine. Never got a lot of it. So this proposal would be an active link in our newsletter that they can click on and answer these three questions. And if they want it, as Brandi had mentioned, there's an option for them to provide more in-depth responses than it opens it up for them as well. Marsha. Thank you, David. I was thinking, should there be a discussion about who you are to sample? Because maybe people who open the newsletter on their phone or computer are a different population than people who just walk in. If you did both, you probably want to keep the results separate and compare them before you switch them all together. Just a comment. That's a good point. And you want to also have people coming in the back door. Well, that's right. Would you suggest then, based on what you just said, Marsha, first question is, are you 55 or older? That's a good point, too. Because that's who we serve here. And if you're not, then thank you for your time. Just like the Magellan survey did that. Maybe we can do both and gather information, because at least half of the people I see don't use their computer. And I still would love to have their input. We could have a paper version of the survey. If y'all don't want to park in the lobby, we could always have a paper unit box. Sheila, you want to say something? Come on. What are you going to say? I'm sorry. Yeah. I feel like me, if y'all can say it, it's gone. Exactly. I have to come. I don't know how many days we've been talking about coming out. I'm the individual that prefers the person to person. And I do think just sending things out. Again, that's why we're a border. We all feel different about it. I just feel like we would get more people coming in that we would on the survey, sending it out, my personal opinion. I'll have at least two approaches, email and face-to-face. Well, I propose that we send out a link in the go, or even a separate email for just the survey so that it doesn't get lost in the go. And then we choose some very specific time frames here at the Zeno Center where people want to sit at a table. They can sit at a table. And they can engage and they can have a conversation with folks, just making sure that they have people that they're speaking to, that they haven't already answered all of the questions in the survey, the electronic survey. And do that approach and figure out what is the time frame during the day that we're going to do it, and how long are we going to do it for? Are we going to do it for a month? Are we going to do it for three months? I don't think anybody wants to sit at a table for two to three hours a day for the next three months. So it needs to be realistic in what amount of time you personally want to sit at a table to engage the community that's coming in the door. I think that's excellent. Well, you need a newsletter. Is that right? So the newsletter, yeah, newsletter or separate week. That was my next question. How quick do you want this information to end? How quick do you want the static? Because if you're waiting for the go to put in the go, then that's going to push everything. Yeah, no, I was meeting in the newsletter. OK. Yeah, OK. Well, we've got a couple of different approaches. Approaches, we try both of them. Is that kind of what everybody's saying? I was going to abandon the survey. Yeah, we'll do the survey. What's going to be doing it? Well, that's the next question. In person, yeah. Those that want the survey and the person. Yes, the answer to that is yes. I'm willing to sit a couple of hours at the end of my work here and just experience, see if people are responsive or not. And if they're not, then we know that they're not responsive. So, Randy and Jeff, you guys have been here the longest, and I just don't know that Ronnie is going to know the answer to this question, but it would be who of us to have somebody in the lobby sitting at a table at our busiest times, right? At what time? Busiest times. Yeah, so I don't know what time, frame, like. 11 to 1. 11 to 1. Because you catch people who are leaving morning classes, you catch people who are coming for lunch, and you catch people who are coming for afternoon classes. Yeah, see them. Are they different than the people that come earlier or come late? There are some people who just come early in the morning for exercise, and it might be nice to have if somebody is an early morning person, an early morning shift, like 8 to 10. Oh, no. I don't know. I don't know. I'll see. I understand that. There's about 30 people right there alone, right? I understand there's about 30 people come in for the rec. For the exercise? So if you've got one person, one volunteer, and 30 people, you're at that one or two people. So that's like the box idea and announcing in class possibly that there is a survey sitting on the table in the lobby that we'd like to do a lot. I think it could be three methods, really. In-person discussion, paper survey, email, digital survey. Yeah. Great. With the email being distributed or the paper being distributed in the classroom? In the lobby. In the lobby. Just available at all times in the lobby, with some signage. Well, maybe we should break this up into pieces here. Maybe we should just deal with the components first. Somebody make a motion, if you will. We'll have three parts to the survey. And we'll do that first. I'll make a motion to have three parts to the survey. OK. Second? Awesome. Any further discussion? I think we need it in Spanish as well as English. In Spanish, OK. Can you amend your motion to include Spanish? I amend my motion to have three parts to the survey, including in Spanish. OK. So there's kind of a second to go. OK. Any further discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. OK. Now to the question of how long, how many people, who's going to do it, who's going to grab all the words, who's all the words. Just a minute. When we're doing this, are we asking yes, no questions, or are we asking open-ended questions? For opening, we're asking these three specific questions. And with room for comments. Yes, these three specific questions that we all were surveyed about and decided that these are the questions that we're going to ask. And then if you're sitting at a table and there's ongoing conversation, then you can take notes on that in a second. Everybody OK with that? OK. A mandatory three questions, and then you can add to it as you wish. Well, and if it's written. Yes. It's written to have a space under each question for additional comments. Yes. Good. OK. Is that OK with that one? All right, who's going to do it? When and how are we going to work on this? I mean, that's a tough one, because obviously, I'd volunteer to do it, but I can't be here if I lose queen here. So I'm saying I can come in, but I don't know how. If we get, you said 11 to 1 is the busiest time here. You come and live in the one a few times, I'll be glad to help with that. In different days of the week, because there are different groups that come on different days of the week. So spreading people out. That makes it tough. It makes it tough to do it in person. Because you can't do it in person just once. You need to have one person, two hours a day, five days a week for four, let's say we do it for a month. That's for four weeks. That's a lot of time for everybody, right? It doesn't have to all be the same person though. No, it doesn't. But if you take, there's seven of us, right? So if you take, that's one of us being there almost every week for the next four weeks. I think that's doable. It's not doable in my world. I know you have a full time employee. I can see this as an ongoing thing for the senior center like a suggestion box. With the questions on the box, with people, I know at another facility that I go to, which is in a city facility, they always have a box and they ask for input and suggestions and all the time. Do we have that here in the lobby? No. I mean, and it's, what are we doing well, what can we do better? That kind of thing, you know, I'm going kind of thing. And how often do they, does the administration of that building review? They take them out every week. Every week? Yeah. Just to keep on, you know, that's the communication mode. I think people like having that opportunity. Does the rec center do that? Yeah. Yeah. That was a reason, I'm sorry, Greg. No, I was just specifically asked nicely, someone from Taker Mill will probably build a really nice, attractive suggestion box that could list- The woodworkers here at the senior center might do that as well. Oh. We have a woodworking work. I think we already have one actually, because we used it at the open house in November. Oh, even better. No delay. I'm just just sorry, Art. Just some suggested, you know, simple. What can we do better? What do we do well that covers? We've already decided those questions. Yes. I think we need a simpler panel. What was it? Okay. Go ahead. I don't know if anybody wants to respond to you. All right, go ahead. I was just wondering, I don't know if we brought this up a while ago and that might have been right. But what was the reason we don't want to give them to the individuals like in a class, like in the recreation class, give them all one. And if they turn in five, they don't. It was because Sheila made a very good point is that what if she goes to yoga in the morning and she goes to a lecture in the afternoon and those three questions are on. So everyone would say they're doing specific questions that relate to the class that they've gone to. And then we would piggyback onto that with our three questions. So if they went to the same thing in the same day, right, or even if they went to another one on another day, you would get those three questions. One person would get that three questions three times that they could answer, right? And we only want them to answer our questions once. Stand by. And if I were that person that had two classes, I would only answer them once. Exactly. But there's a lot of people that would, a lot of people would just go through and answer the questions. Because you might have a different opinion based on what happened at fitness versus the lecture. Put you in a good mood. Yeah. So I think ours need to be stand alone as well. I think the classes need to stand alone and ours need to stand alone. Okay. And I've learned to stand out in classes with those three questions. I think we're generally agreed on the whole approach here on how we want to do it. I think my preference would be to someone to grab hold of it and kind of take charge of it. I don't want it for however long we want to do it. One, two, three, four, ever. For ever? I think for ever. I really think it should be a limited period of time. And maybe you do it now in the spring, you check it again in the fall or something like that. I guess, yeah, I kind of agree with that too. It can't go on forever. And there could be comment cards available forever. All right there. Well, let me ask this. I hate to dump on you, but is there a staff that can do this? We could explore that option. I don't want to say no. And I just know that we're, you know, we have, myself being new, we have the new staffs checking their feet under them. And we have our current staff who's been here, who's been juggling a lot, waiting for the new staff to be here. And so I don't want to say no. We can look at it if that's the direction we go. I just don't want to also say yes in this moment. Uh-huh. We can ask our other volunteers. Right, really good volunteers. That would be a good job for volunteers. So this might be a different approach. I guess I think that Ronnie and I and Brandy can spend a little time and send you all out a proposal of timelines, a schedule of when we need people, that sort of thing. Could it, right now, I think we have the general feel of what you all want. Let us come up with a process and present that back to you. I'm kind of like that. Marcia. I was just going to say, because I have for various reasons been acutely aware of staff time being oversubscribed, I obviously cannot man a table, but I have some digital skills and I would be perfectly willing to set you up a sign up genius to schedule the tables and set you up a survey monkey to put in the newsletter. And that would get a couple for the hours of time off of anybody's table. So when you get the thing organized, call on me. Oh, thank you. Thank you. So I think that would be our best approach is to give us some time and then maybe we outline what we think the schedule is and then maybe somebody or all of you could help us fill in the volunteer spots. Yeah, we can do it. I think everybody's willing to spend some time on that. That's what sign up genius is for. It gets you the volunteer spots fairly quickly. Being a new board member, I've got a question about volunteers. Does the senior center have a pool of volunteers? We do. Who is the volunteer coordinator? Sharkslam. As of this moment, Sharkslam. And again with our new staff coming in that we're looking too higher, that may shift, but as of this moment, Sharkslam. Me being an ex-volunteer director, you use your volunteers for that. You know, the board is already volunteering and you've got a whole pool of volunteers and that would be just a wonderful place to use the volunteers. Have they overused? Some of them. Some. Well, that's good. That's a good question that you consider. Randy, do you have something you're gonna say? Nope. I was just answering best questions. She asked if volunteers are overextended and I said some of them, but not the majority. But if you send an, you've got a mailing list of volunteers, right? So you send a mailing. Here's the thing to volunteer for. Click here. See what you get. All right. So are we, I don't think we need a motion for that, do we? Okay, so you guys okay with that then? And I suppose you'll be involved also. But okay, all right. So you'll put it on the agenda next time. Yeah. Okay. It's a follow-up. We'll go for that. It would be our hope that we did your blessing for that and then we're ready to roll right after that meeting. All right, everybody all right with that? Yes. All right. Let me get back to the current agenda. Let's say annual report. I guess the rest of you did not get a copy of the last annual report. So I just finished the annual report. We finally were able to get statistics out of our database and I sent it to David for review and wanted to see if he had any major issues with it before we sent it to the entire board. Actually, I do have some thoughts. You did a good job. By the way, we can use it as is as far as I'm concerned, but I do have some thoughts. And I would like to have the thoughts of other people too. I thought, well we asked first, how has it been forwarded to the city council before the past years? Do you have to get on the schedule to come speak at city council, I believe, and present it? Yes. And we have talked about doing that in May maybe for older Americans month? And who does that? Ronnie. It gets you on the agenda, yeah, Ronnie would do that. But shouldn't I do that? I don't like to speak in front of the group, but shouldn't I do that? There's two different things there. Staff would take the lead in getting it on the council's agenda. I would hope that one of you would do the presentation because council doesn't want to hear from staff, they want to hear from you all. Sure. All right, so what I'm thinking is like I said, I don't predict it's going to be in front of the city council, but I will. And I guess staff could help start the conversation and kind of set the table if you all could hit the highlights. I wouldn't, one of the things, don't read, don't read it to council, they can read. So just hit the high points and maybe a little bit of detail on those high points. That's kind of what I was thinking, except I think it goes like this, that remember I've talked at length a couple of times about how we get and interject ourselves in the process between now and when the budget is formed. And I feel the more we can interject ourselves, the better off we are as far as getting what we want, whether whatever it is. Whatever it is. And so I'm thinking that really should go, this is, it should have a report, it's just fine. There might be a couple of places that might punch you to an argument a little bit. Let me talk about that while I'm thinking of it. I'm thinking of it, it will be going. You mentioned in your report that depression seems to be on the health check. How serious is that? How big a deal is that? I'm sorry, is it? How much did it increase? Yeah, how big? Yeah, and I'm not sure how to answer that question. I know you do it. We can certainly compare to last year. I think if we're gonna do that, we should compare all of the data from last year because depression was not the only area where we had an increase. Okay, all right. So part of what I'm getting at, obviously, is that if it's increasing due to whatever reasons, that has implications for resources. That's my opinion. One thing is, if you have the capability of comparing observations or whatever data you have last year to this year, that is just nirvana and manna for the council. That's exactly the kind of stuff we want to hear. And especially Dr. Waters, who will probably fault you if you don't have that. So please do that. Well, may I ask, can you compare it to data like the National Association of Mental Heal? No, I'm gonna do it for example. Or a state, from your state to physical mental health. I don't think we can do a per capita kind of statement there because NAMI, I don't know what sort of data NAMI pulls, but if they're looking at national incidents of depression, they're looking at the whole population. We're only looking at the population of the people who come to the senior center and request counseling. So I can't compare apples and oranges that way quite. Well, I understand that, but I'm thinking we could make a statement like, in general, according to this source of this, depression is whatever other issues might be increasing. And we see the same phenomenon here. And you can say that safely, it seems to me. It seems to me that's something that you could say. I feel rather uncomfortable about having an open discussion about a document that only you can have seen. I would prefer to wait to discuss it when we've all had a chance to look at it. A good point. Yeah, I agree. And something I'll note is that we could do comparison data for anything in the report. We have last year's report and this year's report presenting the same information. It would be really helpful for people to weigh in on what particular things would you want that comparison on? Because right now it's a six-page document and it could become sort of unreadable if we do that comparison for everything. So maybe priorities? I've got a suggestion. At the council meeting, we've all read news stories about how depression's on the upswing and behaviors, negative behaviors are on the upswing. Negative behaviors are on the upswing. You could just start with an article from the New York Times or something that shows that, I think it all started at COVID. That you could present it that way. Like nationally, we know from news articles that depression is really on the rise at the senior center, we have statistics that show that there's an increase in people we are seeing with depression or calls that we receive for depression over previous years. And that maybe this is exponential. Same with housing. Can you slice and dice it in a way that you could come up with some sort of factual statistical base trends? I can certainly compare percentage this year to last year. And I'm gonna tell you, there's major skew there because during the pandemic, when our building was closed, the majority of the folks who wanted counseling did not want to do it on the phone or on Zoom. And so we, until May of 2021, we were closed. And so of course, the numbers look pretty different comparing 2121 to 2022, because people came in the full year of 2022. People did not come in the full year of 2021. So I feel like we'd want to acknowledge that skew if we start looking at percentages. That's okay, that's all right. Brad, did you have 2019? Yes. Because a lot of the stuff that I have seen about where are we now compared to 2019 to 2020. Well, I say yes, and it's in Michelle's files somewhere. Oh. So let me say yes, and is it accessible? I'm not sure. We can look. We can look at 2019. Okay. All right, before I forget what you mentioned, Sheila. Sheila had a really good idea she sent to me. Remember I said, I hope you all got the notice that I sent out a couple of weeks ago, if you had any items for the agenda to let me know, did you all get that? Okay, I didn't get anything, but that's okay. Sheila said, why don't you ask also to get a little synopsis of what it is you'd like to add so people know what you're talking about? I thought that was a really good idea. So I'm gonna ask again before we have our next meeting, we had a pre-meeting. I'm gonna ask you if there's any items you wanna add to the agenda, and just for a little sentence or two as to what it is, so people know. Is that kind of what you wanted? Yes, what I wanted to do was really to prevent people talking about something, as with this situation, people talking about something that the rest of the board is in the way of. And I thought, okay, so running. Can I ask kind of a wrap-up question about the annual report? Sure. How about I email it to everybody? You can do that today. I actually thought it was on your report, so, sorry. No, no, it was just to you. So how about I email it to everybody and we have further discussion at the next meeting with the lens of what are kind of the priorities where you wanna hear more information or you wanna get comparative data. In the meantime, Robbie and I can look and see if we can find the 2019 report and be ready to draw some comparison. That's, okay, let me go back to the color there. It's amazing, I remember that. I thought that a cover letter on your letterhead signed by me, maybe the whole board, no, for that matter, to the city council, carbon copy to the director, your department director. And a description in that cover letter of what is not so much what we're proposing, but what is, what's been done, that sort of thing. We'll say what should be done, maybe you can make references, but the main emphasis will be what is, what's happened, and we'll say what should be done to the resolution that we'll be forming later in the year. And in that cover letter, I just talk about things like, this is, these are the things that I jarred down. These are just off the top of my head, basically. The fact that we have a low representation of Hispanics. Ethnicity seems to be reported, I think, and you said something about that brand the last time that you're moving that direction. Electrification and how that affects the population. And other items that we think might be important. I can highlight some of the things, like I think I could translate some of the stuff that we've been talking about, the additional need for resources, not so much as a proposal, but the fact that the council staff, the resource staff is overloaded right now. People have told me that the front desk is overloaded right now. And again, that's just kind of a reflection of what's going on right now. All right, so I could just attach that as part of the annual report and then we could talk about all of that stuff next time. What is the percentage of 55 plus in our community? We can get that very easily. That would be nice to hear. I agree. And 65 and higher is 16% roughly. So we add in 65 to 55 to 50, so. Good. So we'll start with 55 if you're gonna work with the council, right? Okay, I have notes on the manager's report. Let's see, on the first page, number two. Number two, yeah. I just wanted to stick my order in the sense that you said resolution later in the year. If your resolution needs to be funded in 2024. Yes. Get it in by May. Yeah, by May. Oh, a second artist. No, they're done in August. They start presenting it to council in August. Okay, so I was just gonna say the same thing. If you're asking for something to be funded, Ronnie will need to know that information in May because May is the month where he does the budget requests and some time we don't have the official dates yet, but usually by the end of May, the system is shut down and he won't be able to ask for anything else until 25 for 25. Somehow I kept getting the idea that it was August. It's kind of a deadline. So, okay, let's go. Yeah, let me do just a quick summary real quick. May is the time that staff can make requests. At the end of May, that is shut down. In June, staff is invited to a meeting with the city manager and the finance director and we are able to explain why we have requested things and why they're important to our operations. Then in the city manager and finance staff take all of those meetings and all those requests and do their magic with it to a point where in August, usually it's by the end of August, Harold has to present a budget to city council. So, again, if we're asking for anything, we need to be talking about that in April so that we have the time to make the requests in May. Okay, you've said all that before. It's so hard to say it was August, but okay. That's when we start seeing it. So it's easy to believe that, but it's too sticky. I mean, the council can make little tweaks, but it really is just little tweaks. We have no firing. Like you said last time, it still won't make much of a difference. Okay, I'm glad you clarified that. Thank you. Oh, we've got a busy next meeting and the meeting after that. Well, this is the March meeting so we have the April meeting on May. Yeah, we've got two meetings. Yeah, and so they can make requests in May and a resolution from the board can reinforce and add weight to those budgetary weight, to add priority weight to their requests. Don't make it look like the fix is in. Pick one or two innovative things to put in the resolution, but yeah, so May because that's when they're doing the sifting and just moved everything up in my mind by two months. Okay. Three months. All right, I don't know if we need a motion for this, but I think, okay, that is everybody okay with the plan? I'll draft the letter, we'll send it out to everybody in advance so you have a chance to look at it. You'll get the annual report in advance and we'll talk about that and how we want it to look next time. And then if everybody's okay with it, we can submit it out shortly thereafter. Can I just ask Marcia a question? Does council like the information in the normal written letter type form or do you like the resolution type of format? Well, there's a couple of things. You've got a system that you put line item requests in and that's, council can't change that. Council doesn't even know about it really. No, I'm talking about Dave's letter. Oh, okay. But we had talked about doing one with whereas's and all that. Is that important to council? Well, there is a difference between, you're gonna give an annual report presentation. That should have, your six page document more or less and the highlights of it should be in PowerPoint and presented to the council. So that's one thing. A resolution that says, we have the goal of increasing our participation from marginalized communities by 20% and whereas these are our problems, we have mobility problems, we have transit problems, we have contact problems, all of those things, participation on the board and now therefore we need extra facilities for these purposes. That has more weight to the council because it's a formal goal that they have to vote on than just a line item request does. So we would be proposing a resolution? Yes. Okay. That's, yeah. Here's the highlights of the, right, not the highlights, but the rationale for a one or two biggest request. See, I was going down a little different track. I was thinking we'd have a resolution approved by this group given to the city council. You're saying, okay, we can still approve it. Yeah, this board approves the resolution, sends it to the, and to make that a resolution, that becomes a council policy. Okay, gotcha. That becomes, when the council approves a resolution it becomes city policy. So the council in 2018 approved a resolution that we would have 100% renewable electricity, renewably sourced electricity. What if they don't like them very? Then they'll know. That's democracy. But you've still gotten your message out. Yes. Do it again next year. Or see what they didn't like about it, and you know, because they'll tell you what they don't like about it when they don't know. And yeah, it goes two ways, right? That's the feedback from the council that now you guys are doing more than we can fund, or we're not sure that this is the right direction, or, you know, so yeah, you can go in circles that way. Yeah, yeah, let's just start. Yeah. Okay, okay, that's been very helpful. I need to modify my thinking a little bit. Okay, so everybody okay with that? We'll pick up the discussion next time on the annual report. Like I said, I do have some suggestions, and if you have any, when she gets the annual report out to everybody, if you have comments, make sure you get them to Randy. Or to me, or to Ronnie, and I get some feedback. Yes? I can, would it be better that we CC everybody? No, no, that's a no-no, yeah. You cannot conduct business through the email, so it's best if your comments go back to Ronnie and Randy, and then they can redistribute to everyone else. Oh, yeah. Okay, are we done with that? Okay. What's that? We're not done with my report. No, no, we're done with the, yeah, we're done with the annual report. Okay, new business. Hey, we gotta finish the report. What? We're gonna come back. No, that's under board rules. Yeah. That's under demographic report. Oh, okay. So I don't have the agenda in front of me yet. I just got it. You're fine. You're fine. Sorry. I lost it. Yeah, she did. No, okay. There it is. Found it. All right, we'll get through this. All right, so moving on to board goals and agenda for 2023, we decided we're gonna talk about the demographic report, the rest of the board's planning report. Of course. So, some of this information is in my report, but I just did a one pager for a little bit of information. So, we were talking about the demographics in our community, 55 and older population. So I pulled up some information on the Census Bureau website and just information from our other local resources, which was a long, long time call. We did some reports on the rate, the rate on which they were growing. So I was able to steal some of their information as well for this purpose. So, identifying our 55 and older population, 21% of them in our community are 60 years of age and older. 20.1% are between the age ranges of 45 to 59 and 16.2% are 65 years and older. And just, you know, on the same topic of conversation, you know, we were talking about what the breakdown is for race origin within our community as well. So I pulled that information up as well. So 68.3% white, 23.5% are Hispanic or Latino, 1.2% are black and 3.3% are Asian. So, the reason why I put it on the one pager as well is because last week I received casserole data from Boulder County and it just shows the rate in which these, the 55 and older population are Asian within our community. So I just kind of highlighted a couple areas identifying 2022 showing where we're at for our 60 and older, 60 to 79 age range and 80 plus. So the information that they provided is 60 and older, our 75,465 within Boulder County. 60 to 79, 64,354. Individuals and then 80 years of age and older and 11,000 in Boulder County. And so I just thought this would be good for us to take a look at as it shows again, the trends that we're heading at and they went all the way up to 2049 for those three aged demographics within the Boulder County area. Based on what population, 140,000? For Boulder County? For Boulder County it didn't show. This is just, I mean, this is just the information they provided they didn't say out of help. Well, I see the graph has up to 140,000 and there's just nothing really to compare to. We just have numbers. We're not comparing, it's just showing trends, the trends in which we're aging within our community. So no comparisons, just looking ahead in the future. Gotcha. All right. Thank you very much. Yep, no problem. So and that is accurate information from 2022 data that Boulder County pulled. And just on the same topic of conversation, the reason why we pull out of this is just how do we, how do we better recharge our Spanish community to get them engaged in our programs? And I just on the very bottom identified a couple key highlights that we have here within our Senior Center control. We're offering 54 programs in Spanish providing additional bi-weekly drop-in activities. And worth noting our dance group competed, I mean, not competed, completed 24 performances in the past year. And our Senior Group completed 18 performances in the past year. Again, just identifying and highlighting what we are providing to our Hispanic community members. From the support side, support was given to 47 different caregivers, 18 persons in grief and lost support. And 19 Latino, Bessarous, and Spanish speaking support groups as well. So just for the sake of this conversation that we had last time, I thought this is good information to bring back to the board just to share, you know, again what our demographics are, what we're projecting in the future and what we're currently doing in support of our Hispanic community. Just dream. I know it's difficult because COVID skewed statistics, but overall, are we doing a better job of reaching out to our Hispanic community? Are we getting better responses now in the Senior Center than we had before? Or let's be compared to 2019 anyway. I can speak anecdotally from the service side of things. In 2019, we had two resource specialists. One of them is bilingual Spanish English, one of them is English speaking. And our Spanish speaking resource specialist primarily served Spanish speakers because there was such a high volume of need. We were able to add two more resource specialists during the pandemic. One specifically at the LHA properties who was bilingual and served about 10% of her caseload Spanish speakers, but also another full-time resource specialist here at the Senior Center whose caseload is at least half Spanish speaking at all times. And they can kind of fluctuate between the half and 75%. So we have increased our capacity on the resource side of things to serve Spanish speakers pretty dramatically. And I will say Veronica's caseload continues to be primarily Spanish speakers. She does serve English speaking folks as well, but there's just a high need there. Rosa, I'm sorry, Rosa. Do we know if the Hispanic population is increasing percent-wise versus the non-Hispanic population? That one I would not be able to pull until we give the 2022 census data. And that just lasts for very 2021 to 2022, but 2022 is not out yet, are you sure? Yeah, Brandy for data gathering and utilization of mental health services the population as a whole, not just the Hispanic population, in terms of access to medical care in general, it's gonna fall into three categories. You've got the 65 and older who have universally have Medicare and maybe something else. You have a certain percentage of them that have Medicare and Medicaid. And then the below 65 might have Medicaid, might have private insurance, might be uninsured, and their access needs are gonna be radically different. So it would be really interesting to collect their insurance status when those services are given and they don't mind reviewing it. When people tell us that they have insurance, we do track that, but we don't require everyone to provide that information just like we don't require them to provide their gender identity or their ethnicity. We only require that when there's an application that actually requires that and we have to ask. But people tell us voluntarily. So we'll have something on that. I'd be interested in knowing how many refuse, actually. Well, yeah, people are private about there. Why are you asking for that? I came here to get assistance with X, why are you asking me about Y and Z? Right. You're absolutely right. It would not make it, wanna make it be an off-putting thing. But at the same point, it bears on the funding of the service, so. Well, I would say insurance status does not bear on their ability to get service here because we don't charge any insurance for anything. No, but what it does bear on is, and again, this facility is probably the most accessible, but some people have access to other sources of mental health aid and some people don't. And that, good matter. Sheila. I would also like just everybody to note the biggest increase in population on that graph is the older ages. That's far bigger increase than any of the other age groups. 244%. Is that over a decade? Anyway, I've read that in the area report. So I'm sure that the senior center would have to accommodate that. Yeah. And be aware of it, it's. I think that would be a point that I would highlight. I have a clarification on the Spanish programs on number three to provide support via the groups. Are we talking about, is that including the individuals that the resource specialists have on their load? No, this is just looking, that bullet point just looks at support groups. Okay. And the caregiver support groups and grief and loss support groups are offered in English specifically, but we also have a Spanish speaking support group that is a general aging kind of support group that has had 19 folks again. I also have the programming side of things. I have grown Spanish programming as much as my caseload will allow. And that's kind of why we're trying to figure out hiring the three quarter time by legal Spanish coordinator because as a model legal English speaker who speaks in Poco es Daniel, I cannot grow this the way it needs to be grown. And that's not really my job. It's one of those things that sort of fell into my job. But I'm not a full-time programmer. And we need a programmer who has more time to really devote to growing those programs. And I think I've asked this before, but the majority of the Spanish speaking are with the resource specialists for coming in for services for that, right? They might not, are might not. Are you asking what percentage of people's time is spent in programs versus services? That's really hard to parse out. Okay, I'm just curious. Because I mean, I've been a few times that I have been here, I don't come here often, but when I do come, I notice that the Spanish speaking are always here to see Veronica, or one of the others that are here. If you talk about capacity, so in the resource specialist capacity, half of our staff have been able to see Spanish speakers, right? Programming capacity, if you look at the go, we have a 60 page catalog, two to three pages of that are programs in Spanish. Very different capacity. Okay, I'm just curious. Let me see if I can nail this down. On the ethnicity data, I know you've been reluctant to collect that data. In fact, you said you didn't do it for a variety of reasons. We talked about this months ago, and I thought you said that you're going to be considering collecting that data again. Right now, you know? I think you misunderstood. I guess I could. I don't know if VSI has the capacity to track that data for programming. So that's the majority of people's usage of our building, right, this programming. So I don't know if there's even the ability to track that data there. For supportive services, we do have the ability, and we do gather it either when people offer it, or when we have to ask for applications. But we have never made it our policy to ask folks those questions for every single person who walks on the door for supportive services. Well, if we're going to make the case, I'm thinking if we're going to make the case that part of the services we need to expand our ordinance panels, and we know 25% of the population is, 23, 24% of the population is Hispanic, and they probably have about the same kind of problems as the rest of us, proportionately. How do we make the argument that they're underserved if we don't have any statistics? Yes, ma'am? Oh, I don't know how you make the argument. I was about to say, I don't think it's a correct assumption that they have the same set of needs. Well, I agree. Because there's an income disparity. I agree, yes. But, and several others actually, disparities. But I did want to also point out, Brandi, because you made it sound so awful that there are a number of programs like pool playing and Zumba that are not very language dependent at all. Anybody can go into Zumba if they're from Dupet, they can still take a Zumba class and know what to do. So, it's really misleading just to count programs that are offered only in English. They need, if you need to evaluate that, and I'm not sure you do, you'd have to score the programs as language dependent as well. Can I speak to that? Yes. We have actually talked about that before. How do we reach our Spanish speaking customers and encourage them to go to trips, programs, drop-in groups that aren't so language dependent? And what we have found is that it really relies on outreach. That if you don't speak the language that's being spoken by the instructor in a class, you're very unlikely to go try that class out unless somebody does some outreach and talks to you and says, oh, no, this teacher is really great and they'll work with you and we need a Spanish speaking programmer to do that outreach. We have utilized Monica at our front desk and Veronica on the resource team and Melissa on the resource team to do some of that outreach and they really just have a limited capacity for that in their jobs. So, again, all things point back to a Spanish programmer. That seems like a major need. Getting back to your question, David, what was your question? How are you going to talk to counsel about the needs of the Latino population when we don't have those two, I mean, that's what he's asking for help with, right? And correct me if you think I'm off base here, Jeff and Ronnie. I think it's very easy to look at this statistic that 23% of our county is Latino and that I think is actually a slightly higher percentage in Longman and to say, we have zero percentage of our programming staff that is Spanish speaking. And those statistics. No, all of those statistics are a lot more specific, at the very top. Yeah, I think that's a very easy analysis to make that we're... I think I can put together a rationale based on generalities from different sources, overall trends that probably apply here and punctuate it with specific examples like you just did, which would be fairly compelling, I think. If we don't have the data, we can make the rationale. Well, you do have some data. Yeah, some data, yeah, got some. Well, in my opinion, that's a tough one, but we can do it. Well, if we had the data, let me throw this out there. If we did, if VSI tracked programming was the ethnicity and race, and we could say 2% of the folks who come into the senior center for programs are Spanish speaking, that data is heavily skewed because we don't offer enough programming in Spanish that we would have more than 2% coming in. Exactly. I don't think that that necessarily gets you the information that you want. Yeah, I know. It's a chicken and egg. Yeah. Well, I think you can have some, talk about some of it next time. But you could make arguments like, for example, you know, the rate of depression runs around maybe 2%, 3% of the population. All right, and it's probably higher among Hispanics, and all they call us, they're probably a little bit lower in income, got less education, and I'm just making some generalities here. And that would be correlated with depression, so you could make that kind of argument that the depression rates among Hispanics are probably higher than the overall rate that you could see in the city or something. I think you could still make the argument that we have zero Spanish speaking counselors in a population that's 24%. Right, that doesn't matter. I mean, the numbers don't matter. In that case, you don't have any. We know the need exists, we know the need is not met. Right, yeah, that's probably the difference. There you go. Yeah, okay. Well, we could, yeah, okay. Oh, I gotta think more on the annual report. I don't wanna know. Yeah, okay. All right, next item. Okay, we'll continue with your report, Ronald. Yeah, that's fine, we could jump in. Okay. So I'm gonna bounce around a little bit. We're gonna jump to number four, and the reason why is we brought Amanda Burto in, and that's one answer just for everybody. Amanda, are there any refrigeration supervisor? I started with this last week, so I wanted to bring her in and introduce her, and I'll meet all of you. Nice to meet everybody. Welcome, Simon. Welcome. Thank you. And your name again? My name's Amanda Burto. I'm sorry, last name. Aburto, A-B-U-R-T-O. Which center will you be supervising? Here. Oh, here, oh, oh, oh, here, oh, duh. Okay. Yeah, I'm the new senior supervisor. Oh, who's first name? Amanda. Amanda came in last week, and she's coming from Brighton. A lot of experience over there, and we were fortunate to steal her, bring her part of our team, and she jumped in last week, and already had the ground running. So she's been here for a short period of time, but we're doing a great job getting to know our team, our staff, and our patrons as well, so. I have a background in BSI with Retract, so I was the main person in Brighton doing that, and then since then we have switched over to a different program system, so I do have background in Retract, and just overhearing that's not necessarily numbers that we could run with the demographics that you were asking earlier. And then programming experience, so I have quite a number of years of programming experience. Working in a municipality for the last 25 years is some sort of form. And then seven years were the city of Brighton, and then previously with other cities in California. Right? So you come from the Senior Center in Brighton? No, I do not come from this, I come from the Recreation Center in Brighton. So I was responsible for their front desk and their facility operations, as well as their water park operations. Oh, just born and raised in Brighton, that's why I just came. Oh, nice, okay, yeah, so. Yeah, they're gone for a while. Yeah, so I'm the Rec Center, not E-Vac. Nice to meet everybody. Yeah. Any questions that's open? I'm where everyone else's offices are, so I'm right next to Shar, if you guys know where Shar's office is. Thank you. Shar's next to your office. Yes. Yep. Hey, thank you so much. It was nice meeting everybody. Nice meeting you. Welcome here, man. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. So, yeah, I just want to provide some staffing updates so everyone can have an idea of where we're at, and I think it's worth celebrating that we're at work. We'd like to be slowly bringing our pieces together, and it's taking some time, and again, we're getting there. So, you just met Amanda. We also just got confirmation today that we're moving forward with Maria Reina, who will be our new evening custodian, and she'll be joining us hopefully the next few weeks. So she just cleaned everything. That's a lot to celebrate right there. Excuse me, and her name again? Maria Reina. How do you spell her last name? R-E-Y-M-A. So, we got confirmation, and Maria will be on board and joining us here shortly. We also just received, and this was, was this this week or last week? We just got confirmation that we are moving forward with our LHA Resource Specialist, Valerie Vanzara Garcia. She'll be starting with us the 27th of this month. Got it right. The 27th of this month. And was that this week that she cleared everything? Okay, all my weeks are really starting soon. And so, again, all these key pieces are slowly coming together. I'm not, we'll have two Garcia's here tonight. Well, we'll have two Garcia's, but she's Valerie. Oh, Valerie, now I said we're not. It will certainly cause confusion. So, Valerie will be joining us towards the end of this week. So, we're still working on two additional positions. Our therapy to coordination coordinator position, we are moving forward with interviews next week. So, that's another key piece that will be joined in our team, hopefully here in the short term future. And our three quarter recreation coordinator position, which Brandi was just speaking towards in our last discussion. So, we're more sort of piecing that together and so that we can get it posted and begin the hiring process for that. So, just wanted to share that. Again, a lot has happened in a short period of time and these are key pieces and we're just slowly, slowly get assembled in our team to where we can start operating in a way that's, you know, where we can, well, our current team can start taking a little less out there though and it can go to the correct spaces. So, we just feel like we are, you know, I don't want to feel like we're feeling overwhelmed but so we're not feeling like we're overwhelmed. Right? So, we're coming together there. That's great. Who knows Tarani here that he's helping as a new employee himself to hire and train all of these new employees. It's a lot to take on in your first two months in a job. Yeah, it does. So, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. And he works late at night. I appreciate it. That's right. So, I'm going to jump back to number one. So, I just want to cover that since we're out of here. So, I do have foot care update. So, good news. Wow. Well, they're never under story. Never, right? So, I'm going to pass on this or you pass on that way. So, I was able to connect with a representative from the Colorado Business and Nurses Association, CBNA, to kind of give more information for the services they provide. And so, I was able to ask the questions that we had collectively that through the board and just like come back with specific information as to, again, do they, will this, can they meet our needs? Are they offering the services that we are looking for? And so, that's just asking to send me a little handout. So, that's just kind of a little flyer with some information from them specifically. So, big key takeaways that to some of the questions we had. So, some of the questions we had as a board were, you know, do they provide onsite care? Is it more educational care? What do they offer, right? And so, the information provided me, it is basic foot care, okay? They do check for blood pressure and they do check for injuries. So, a question we had as a board was, okay, well, what do they do with that? They don't, can they treat onsite? So, her response is they cannot treat onsite. And the reason why is because they are RNs. So, registered nurses, they're not doctors. So, what they do though, is for anybody they see, they collect their health information. So, if they do recognize anything of concern, they connect the dots. They will reach out to their healthcare providers to say, hey, just saw a patient, X, Y, Z. And this is something that I know is a very concern. We would appreciate if you, as a healthcare provider, follow up with this person. So, they don't provide onsite care because they're not doctors, but they connect those dots for anybody that they see. Another concern we had was, you know, what about diabetics, do they turn them away? Her immediate response was, no, never. We treat diabetics as any other patient. We, she said that's actually who we want to see. We want to be able to provide that care to diabetics as well. So, you know, that was a big concern at our last conversation. And I think, you know, it's worth noting that they treat anybody who signs it. And the diabetics be ones that don't know they have an injury. Right. Yeah. Right. And that's what she was saying. That's the ones we want to see that we can support and help as well. So, you know, another thing. So, if this is a direction we want to go, it's not something we can start right away. So, we're basically on a waiting list. But the good news with that is in our area, we're at the front of the list. There's nobody in front of us. So, what she is currently doing, and she saw this as a good opportunity as well. She said, I've been looking for someone to connect the dots from Boulder County all the way before it left him. She said, so this would be perfect. So, what she's doing is putting it out there that she's looking for our hands and she's going to start conducting interviews. And so, that's going to take time for her, right? And she said, so once she's able to find anybody this is something we wish to report with, then we can start having discussions on dates and availability. So, it's based off of the nurses availability. So, of course, we can say we want these dates, right? Because this is what's best for us. With there being a shortage of nurses, we have to be flexible to their availability because they're doing a dish on things outside of this service that they'd be providing as well. So, she's going to work to generate that staff and then we can begin having a conversation of dates and times. So, in the interim, before they could get somebody here, they would call that number. Right, and she could connect the dots to current locations. Of course, there'd be a lot of those. So, they don't go to people, it says visiting nurse association, they don't go to people's homes? No, okay. No, but she could connect the dots to where they're currently providing care in near our direct area. Again, she said I'll go up to Fort Lebson and as close as Boulder, right? So, yes. Well, we want scholarships for the 55-dollar fee, like we do for some of the rent programs. That's worth a discussion. You know, I just didn't see being in the infancy stages of the planning. How many can I afford? Right. I'll just lie down. Right, right. Ronnie. Yes. Because at the moment, this isn't available to our community. Could we get information about the UC Health Clinic and what their charges are and what their names are? Right, I'm going to go quick, so I'll pass all of them out and save myself one. So, can we look at that and be able to promote that in the meantime? Absolutely, right? But as a comparison for what they offer, I asked her, you know, is the cost comparable? And she said, it's right in that same way. And she said, some go over, some go under. There's not very many options right now. She said, outside of them, she said there's maybe two of them and they're private practices, so. Well, I know that UC Health has one, but I don't know what their charges are and I'm just thinking if somebody is in need, they're local and I think they do it through their outpatient clinic, which is why they weren't willing to come here because they have their own money. I could look at it and find an information. They also have charity dollars. I don't know how they would apply to this application, but they do. I mean, they write things off, but maybe that's just the ER and hospitalizations. I don't know. I could look at it now. Maybe I should direct this to Brandy. How does this list of services compare? We're not used to. I don't know myself. Okay, it's been a long time. Yeah, just a great hand in the moment. It was before Longmont, it was provided by the nurses at Longmont United and they used to come here once a week and offer services, but I don't know whether their were charges or not, but when they got bought out, they were no longer wanting to do that and UC Health wasn't willing to do that because they have their own clinic, but I was thinking in the interim, just something local that people would, we would be able to tell them about. We've been pointing people to their doctors because sometimes they really need specialty care and then their doctors are kind of routing them to, could you just get a pedicure or do you need treatment? Yeah, the UC Health Clinic is specifically for diabetic healthcare. So what I like about them as well is they partner with Kaiser. I know depending on the plan that the individual has, Kaiser would cover set amount of visits each year and she said it's anywhere between four to six which she said that is the average they see somebody annually throughout the year anyway. So if not then they would be charged a $55 before their visit and they handle all scheduling, they handle all billing, we do nothing, we just provide this location for them to provide the service. So we would not have to create an R&P for that, it's just something that we can offer through our services. You have that location? We have locations identified, but depending on when we get it up and running is then we'll look at where we can put it. If it is somewhere we have openings here but again based off their availability, right, the nurses, then we can look at our schedule here, obviously plan A would be here in our location if not in our Lashley location where we have plenty of space available as well would be another option. And we'll have to, oh, great. Why did this not have to go through an R&P process because I thought that was one of the holdouts over the past few years. And help me if I'm trying to remember so hard to respond to that. And I think this one is because we're not handling any of the money. I think that's really what we're going down to is we're not doing anything with it. For all my ability? Right, we're just providing a location. So you're a broker? Yeah. Right. That there is a history of them doing this in other communities, it doesn't really involve sitting money, so what we were trying to do prior, I think was actually contract, city contract with people to come in, which was a whole different plan. Okay, thanks, thank you. This would still be a personal services contract? Or would it not be contractual at all? It wouldn't be, right? Because it would be right. I think we're going to want to put something in writing and we'll work with legal tech because I believe RISC is going to want them to name the city as additionally insured because they're providing the care in possibly one of our facilities. Okay, Ronnie, we're going to have to close the front porch here pretty soon. Yeah. All right. I was saying, Northenio! I think we're going to have Northenio, right? Just not in the winter. Thank you, I missed it, but how would you get the word out? So again, if this is something down this road, we would like to move forward because once we have details, then we would communicate it out through the go. We use the go and any additional resources we have. So currently, I'll put this on Jennifer next for me, as well, is the avenues of which we're looking at communicating or expanding our communication through social media and other routes as well. Okay. All right. And we can post this, right? Like in the hosting rooms. Oh yeah. People can. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Good work. Yeah, so there is a new city web page, I mean new at the last six months, I guess, that allows people to sign up for email notifications. And so I don't know how that works or how much earth moving you have to do to get a new sign up list going. But for something like this, that might be a little bit flexible in its scheduling because sometimes it's Lashley and sometimes it's here and you might even miss one. You couldn't get anybody. That'd be perfect, a mailing list because then people could say, oh, all right, there's a foot care clinic this month and it's on this date on Lashley. We have, that's what he was talking about earlier with David, sending a, we have a bi-weekly email that people subscribe to. Okay, on that same service. It's highlighting any services or programs here that we wanna highlight. Okay, yeah, I was thinking this would be a specific alert. That's all right. So I guess I'm concerned about needing this to be on the agenda again, based on what you all hear if Ronnie gets called tomorrow and they say, we're good to go. I think it's a mistake if we put it off for a month. So I've got to do, are you okay with it? I'd like a motion on that. Okay, so you're asking just to proceed with it. Yeah, that way we can get it going. Okay, okay, I'll entertain a motion. Anybody? I'd like to make a motion. Sheila, is there a second? Oh, what is your motion? The motion is for the city staff to proceed with the foot care program without any further input from the board. Okay. And a second? All right, thank you for the discussion. All right. Ray. Sorry? Ray. Ray. That's all right. All those in favor say aye. Aye. That sounds the longest. Aye, aye. I've never heard of that. All right, we're done with that. All right, thank you, you guys. Good job, Ronnie. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you. All right. Okay, do you have anything further, Ronnie? I don't know if we want to go over just quick highlights. I know we've got 15 minutes and then... Yeah, we need to talk about the board a little bit too. Okay, so well, everybody has my regular board. If you have any questions, we'll move on. There, that's a good follow up. I'll put the films, the tickets, and the films of Inch and in Boulder, not Brecon Ranch. I was going to say, who's going to go to Brecon Ranch? In times. Holder. Miss Tate. Yes, that's what I think. Holder. Holder. Or Longwood. Yeah. No, these tickets would just go to Boulder. Right. Brecon River is great. They're providing a board as well. So the film has more. This one here too. Okay, we didn't really talk about board goals in the calendar. We kind of side-signed it several times. So this year's goals. I'm just going to throw it open to the discussion. What do you think that the board goals should be used to put the balance on here? We have upcoming agenda items, and we have ongoing goals, or at least we used to. But what are your thoughts as far as the goals in terms of the balance of the food? I don't know about a specific goal, unless it's to meet our priority, is to make the senior center as successful as possible. As successful as possible. Yes, even more successful than it probably is. A board retreat? Do we have a board retreat? I don't know. To discuss some of these things as a group? And have a work session on it? Uh, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Exactly. Never have? Not in the last five years. I think some of the city boards do. Some do. Yes, some do. In fact, the city's having a retreat this week, aren't they? Gosh, is it already? Next week, yeah. What was it? Next week? Yeah, it's the 11th and 12th, I think. It's a good way to set things in motion and get staff support and plan in advance for that question. Does that, do these retreats have to be recorded? They have to be posted and open to the public. Whether or not public media would choose to record that, that would probably be up to them, but I would assume that they would do that. And somebody, hopefully not a participant board member, should still take minutes. They're asked, you know, but again, minutes are fairly minimal, right? They can be, we discussed this and usually you don't actually, you gather consensus, you don't make motions in those meetings. And I'm wondering if I could make a motion that because of time, primarily, that we all think about and come up with one goal and present it next meeting, because I personally need a little time to think about it. Okay, that's a good motion. You want to put that, that's a formal motion? Yes. Okay, so second that motion. Second, Sheila. Any further discussion on that motion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions. Motion carries. Oh, that's a good idea, Jeanine. That's really good. Let me throw something out though, even though you've been emotional already. Well, all the things we talked about earlier, this week, last week on this. In the long term, with the trends, the demographic trends that you've shown us, you can't handle that here. You can't handle it, it's astounding. So the long term, is we're looking at a significant expansion of whatever we were, all the things that you do. And I don't know what the time frame is, but we're looking at, and I'll probably be long gone by the time, but we're looking, you know, we need to look in the long term, like 20, 30, 20, 40, 20, 50, those kinds of things, given the demographic trends. And, you know, we can't do anything just right now, except plant the seed, it seems to me. Or maybe we'll go so far as to ask the council for a survey or something. I don't know, I'm just lathering right now, but the idea is we need to plan long term. Marsha. So you're not lathering. Partly it's under consideration, so there's, if the new expanded recreation center is approved, there will be resource rooms that will be available to senior services. Obviously there's not an exact plan yet, but that's one of the values that's, I think it's even on the survey for that area. So there is Lashley here and then down there. So that's, and that would be if it passes a, you know, two to three year time horizon expansion, which is not bad. And the other thing that's happening is that the city has kind of waked up and realized that we have meeting space resources that are underutilized because nobody's programming them. So like out of Iza-Walton, there's a meeting room that's hardly ever used. So can you confirm that, Jeff? I will confirm that. I don't know that that's how I would describe it, but it is available to us. Yeah, so you mean that you're not sure that the inventory idea is official yet? I don't know anything about that. Oh, okay. But, you know, recreation does oversee, Isaac, there are things there underutilized, probably a little, especially since COVID hit, but some evening and weekend time certainly would be available. Okay, good. I was good motion, Jane. I didn't, I'm quite hollow, I was getting out of that, so let's go. Yes, ma'am. Looking at the clock, it looks like we're not going to get through the whole of the agenda, could we also? Well, actually, okay, I'm sorry, what were you gonna say? That we won't get through the whole agenda. I would suggest with people's approval that we report some of the various area of agency, so on aging, friends report, and so on. They'd be written by the people who attended those meetings and then submitted by email to everybody. Is that doable? I can send it to the chair or to Ronnie, and then he can redistribute. Okay, yes. Yeah, I've sent it to you. All right. Okay, that's a good idea. Although I wanna say something about my report. And also, I need to read your business. I am the liaison with friends, and I need a backup. All right, who wants to be a backup? I want a volunteer to do that. Who wants to be a backup? Okay, what does that entail, going to the... Justin's hand's going to the meetings, giving us a brief overview of what we discussed at these meetings, and it's not only... It's a show. Function. Yes. It's a different number. Okay, so did you get that, Ruth? Beth will be the backup. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. I wanted to mention one thing, and I normally would let it go, but I think it's kind of a tool on the sustainability. At the last meeting, it came up with something that was really good. And did you sit in on that? I missed that one. Okay. Where is this? Zach Blantz. Yeah, he's the supervisor of that new sustainable unit that reports to Lisa Novak. He's quite good. Very good for my opinion. Anyway, they are in the process of forming an overlay map that's based on a lot of stuff. I guess it's GIS information from the county, and census data, and interviews, and surveys, like walking around the city, to see what the temperature is. You know, different areas of town. So they have an idea about the temperatures in various parts, and where there's canopies, where there aren't, that kind of thing. Now the reason I think that's really, really cool is because you can overlap, say for example, the Hispanic population, those over 55, let those low income, for example, and see where it's really hot. And you know, that might have some implications as far as health reasons concerned. That kind of thing. And so I volunteered you. I said that you and I would be happy to attend an orientation to that, and we'll get it changed as soon as possible. So I think that'll be useful. That's not, actually, that's my report that put a sustainable unit in the implications of something, I'm not sorry. All right. Any other business? If I could mention something. I know a number of people on the board have been interested in issues around solo aging, people who are aging without family or supports around them in the community, and what the impact of that is in the aging process. And I have a flyer I'm happy to share with anyone who's interested about a needs assessment that's happening in March, in Boulder County on this issue. I don't know if this is something that might be a goal for the board. I will let you all decide that. When you formulate your goals, I just know there's been interest from a number of folks over time. If that could please be distributed. I can email it to everyone who that's okay. Okay. I'm sorry, I'm just the first part. What was the issue? People who are aging solo without support in their aging process. No children, no family, no friends. Yeah, I was thinking that. Poor person. Yeah, that's right. We should be able to discuss this. You too. Julie, you need to be done. I'll be your friend whenever you need one. I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. You're right, you're our business. Have we done that? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it supervises. Super, yeah. You did your report on that, right? We did not do March, I'm sorry. And I'm gonna give most of the time to Art because what happened was that Art and Don Quintana and her assistant, Michelle Gomez, all met on the subject of getting more diversity on our city boards, starting with this one. Art has been actively networking about that. And then we also discussed some other things to do to make the applications more accessible, having bilingual applications on paper, distributed around the city, and start accepting those again. The clerk's office is willing to do it. And we came up with some other innovative ideas on public engagement training to be offered. And the idea of going through the E for All, which is officially paid for tacos. I can't switch into a Spanish accent very fast. But that they are willing to try, we're gonna try to get them if they can find the time to disseminate information on the public engagement training, which would be a two-way benefit for them. So, and then let's have Art comment on whatever else. Well, I think the big thing on that is that after talking to Don, we have the same issue apparently on some other boards. We're reading that at diversity. And one of the things that was discussed was the possibility of a video with myself and somebody who speaks a little better Spanish than I do, and that what we have in Spanish and English. And it's gonna be to encourage people to get that diversity there and hopefully other people see it and then reach out to people to try to get them on the boards. One of the other things we've talked about is maybe to add on to the utility bills on boards and deeds. But that one's gonna be a difficult one because of the different times, right? Well, I think sort of- It's a bored time. Right, I think they know in advance when the window's gonna open. The difficulty with that was space. So I think that what they settled on is a little tiny box on the city line that just says, remember, you can apply for boards and commissions here as a website. And so that was a good thing. But we actually came up, Don recorded it, not me. So I'm not sure I can accurately list it, but we discussed which boards are most obvious to target. And so you wouldn't target the airport advisory board, right? Because the population of people that are qualified for that board is very tiny. But something like parks and recreation where everybody can participate as a good informant just based on what their activities are that would be a good board to target. And then we talked about Facebook also. We put something on Facebook. The other thing is, of course, we brought this up at the last meeting having a booth at the same point of my own and applications on board. I mean, the hard copy of applications and talking to people about it. Actually having some applications right here at the center if anybody is interested because there are some people that don't have computers or don't have that, but hopefully what Mike can say or apply in this year. I mean, I thought about it is that if we get that applications here that give them a reason to come into the center kind of a ground for me like that. And I just think that I didn't even get a chance to look at Don's information that she sent us. But I thought it was a very productive news and hopefully we can get a, the risk that we'll be on some of these boards. So I think that's a wonderful meeting. Yeah, very very productive. Sounds good. Thank you for doing that. I don't know if there's anything else that I would like to say. There's a lot of hard guys. They're over an hour and then we need to get it. But there's, oh, sounds good to talk about. Right, I would like to acknowledge Art who has really been working, the network in terms of finding immediate potential volunteers that what Carmen advised us for boards in general was that it was gonna be a three-year-more-year effort to really move the needle. But Art's moving the needle for this board right now. So. I do, thank you. And I couldn't go without Mark's comments about that. So I'd say it's a group effort. Yeah, it's been good. But one of the things I wanna clarify, how many openings do we have? Two minutes to one. Two. Okay, two, nine minutes. Okay, I don't know why I thought one. Well, it's because the backup, the second, what's? Alternate, there we go. Right, we did away with that. Right, the alternate has been moved, promoted to a full board member so we have an extra member since two years ago. All right, any other comments? We'll go. Close. All right, yeah. Any further comments? Skipped out. Okay.