 Well, hello there, this is Mark Risenhockens at our chief silicon angle and today I am joined with Sean P. Oni editor-in-chief of techno about work You know it just it wouldn't be a video if you had started with wall hello there. Exactly. Well, I mean come on It is me. We're talking about here. It's so and I think this is the first show that we've done When you have been the editor-in-chief of the organization. Yep. It is we we haven't done a video I remember Yeah, yeah, this is the the first one since I became EIC So, how is that? How's that working out for you? I've taken my drinking It's a lot of work, but it's It's a very different beast than just writing every day Yeah, well, I've noticed the output that you have written since becoming editor-in-chief has dropped dramatically from like six books to two so Yeah, I I still write 30 40 posts a week, but it's not the summer You're doing better than me. I mean I've been I know you have a different kind of organization over there But I've I've almost stopped posting completely Um But it's working a lot more on video work I've got a pretty good support staff christin. Nicole as you know Monday's at mashable Yep. Yep. It's kind of funny how that all worked out. Yeah. Yeah, and your your organization's gotten pretty big this year, too Yeah, we we grew uh, let's see. We added One two two like five or six writers this year We we just posted we're looking for more So is revision three the the show in revision three is that this year that it started as well? Or is that uh, yeah, that started It's like mid-summer It's it's really kind of raised the profile. I keep hearing you guys may get dropped in different places Yeah, we we've got three shows a week over there on monday wednesday and friday and We're real happy and they seem to be happy. So it's working out. Cool So, uh, we're here today to talk about some predictions and whatnot not just Wax about history and how great we're doing So, uh, figured I would get your perspective on things you're in touching course would be the gadget world more than the other especially mobile and So I had a few questions mobile of course being a pillar of silicon angle, but What was 2011? Uh, like for mobile what major shifts did you see? I mean, obviously the big story is like the web os where it was pretty big ios got only bigger Yeah, oh web os it was an unfortunate. I mean, it's a great operating system, but HP didn't know what to do with it. Yeah, they didn't know how to market it. They didn't know What they were doing and personally, I'm excited about going open source, you know We'll see if the market can bear out the third operating system That the the big issue has been I mean as we've seen, you know, windows mobile Or windows phone is it's now called Isn't getting anywhere blackberry is on the ropes You know an android at ios keep gaining even more market share. So Can the market sustain the third operating system? I don't know, but web os could actually make a play You know once it's out there open and everyone to work with So the tough thing to think about when you're talking about can the can them market sustaining third operating system? Or even up for I'm sure you are like me when you you judge these things based upon like the pc market But in truth the the mobile market is is it totally different animal? It's a completely different animal. I mean I don't think anyone could have predicted android was going to take off the way it did but When you've got It's out there. It's open You know, we've got 50 htc handsets released per day Uh, you know, you've got motor really you've got samsung. I mean what samsung is done with it You know, even though it's layered with touch widths. It's taken off like a rocket I mean, I don't think anyone could have predicted that they would sell a million units of the galaxy note by now A 5.3 inch screen Who wants a phone that big in their pocket right? You know and they sold a million units kudos to them And it looks to only be getting bigger, you know unintended Because now it's coming to the united states. Yeah, you know, it It's amazing what's happened. I think what Everyone's not thinking about though is there are So many handsets released there is not one handset you can point at like you came with the iphone Yes, the galaxy s2 somewhat but even in that there's 30 flavors of the galaxy s2 You know, you've got the epic 4g touch for sprint. You've got the skyrocket. You've got you know, all these different galaxy s2s Yeah, you can point to it me as success But you can't point to it and go that is the galaxy s2 like you can that's the iphone right You know, so andre needs a They centralized handset that everyone can focus on Because yeah, you can say andre's game on this market share That's going to happen when you fire a shotgun You know, yeah, you might sell 10 of this handset and 20 of this handset But you're not selling the 15 million of the iphone right right so But wouldn't that sort of destroy what makes android a success though if if it were to Put focus behind one particular handset. Yeah, I it would to an extent, but I I think android needs Something that everyone can focus on and that's the problem because if you talk to the developers They're having to you know, oh, it's so pregnant. Yeah, it is pregnant And the ice cream sandwich is going to fix that somewhat But there's still going to be all these lingering 2.2 handsets and 2.3 handsets and the honeycomb handsets you know There's still a ton of fragmentation into there. Hopefully ice cream sandwich will correct that somewhat but Now with google buying motorola, I'm thinking we're finally going to see a focused on android tablet We're going to see a focused on android thumb. Yeah And hopefully it won't totally kill all the other devices out there, but Android needs a flagship. They need a true flagship So what is what is your what are your mobile devices of choice right now? Uh, I'm carrying a iphone 4 s Because finally it came to sprint. This is my first iphone. Every everyone's always assumed I had an iphone, but I was too sprint loyal to right And then I carry a samsung captivate which is a galaxy s1 on att Although I'm going to be changing that here pretty soon. So I I'm using both operating systems You know, you can't call me a fanboy one. I'm carrying both right right even in my tablets I I've got to see here a kindle fire in an ipad too. Yeah, so what about kindle fire? There there was a kind of a market disrupted this year the kindle Kindle was already. I mean, okay. Here's here's our evil segment The kindle fire The biggest problem is yes, it's Android But I can't do with it what I want to with it. I can't use the native google talk Application. Yes, I could agree. I know everyone to me will go rude it rude it But you know when you're talking your average person, they're not gonna remember you with the buttons. So yeah Yeah, I know amazon wants to have their own ecosystem. Come on. Let us have google talk All right, let us let us have gmail. I mean, is that so horrible? It's not gonna stop us from buying from you. Right. I mean, it's not like they have their own alternative Exactly. Exactly. I mean, they do have third party apps in there. You know, they have a trillian and I am plus and all that sort of stuff But trillian was good about 10 years ago, but I know I remember when everyone was like you gotta use trillian. Yeah But the kindle fire was interesting because it's seven inches You know now it started all these rumors are we going to see an ipad mini is apple going to be concerned about the seven inch market? No, apple's not apple does not chase markets apple creates markets, right So they're not they're not going to chase the seven inch market. So apple creating markets. That's a good segue uh The the big prediction i've been hearing from a lot of gadget guys this year is regard enforcers I think he's bewildered Steve child's fire to be who is the apple tv not that little proportion that they call the apple tv now, but an actual tv with an apple ios on We're calling it i tv just to differentiate, but yeah, it's We've known about this thing for years um The biography basically gave us everything that i'm going to be staying right. Well, no, it's kind It's just a matter of when and and now there's some question about are they going to Just come out with 32 37 inch televisions to begin with Though, you know, some people are going. Oh, well, they can't compete against the 55 inch monsters out there It's apple Yeah People are still gonna go It's apple right well, but this is my question right because apple has traditionally I mean, it's it's like it's it's as much apple Apple is them to fail at video as it is for apple to win at everything else You've got an excellent point. Um I think if I mean we're hearing all these rumors that they're coming up with a la carte, you know programming solutions If that's true, that could be a big, you know, win for them because I don't think anyone is happy with the way cable works these days No, you know, I mean I've got so many channels that I have never once turned on and I will never turn on You know, I'm sorry. I'm not turning on the golf channel. It's not Why not? Come on. Everyone needs to sleep once in a while. Exactly. I was like if I ever had insomnia I'll turn on the golf channel So, yeah, I mean there's a lot to be said for that but can even apple possibly Get all the content providers to change that much That's a big question. It is a very big question. Well, I mean, well, it's it to to keep them the same topic But then switch companies microsoft what they're doing with the xbox. I'm sure you've seen I think you're the xbox guy Yeah, uh that That's a pretty market departure what they were able to convince horizon and comcast to do Uh with allowing live tv on the xbox concert Well, you know, I think people have been saying for years that televisions the next big thing But I think it's happened a lot slower than people expected. You look at devices like the xbox the roku. I'm a huge roku fan I think the roku is about the greatest thing ever invented. Yeah, you know We're starting to see more and more Solutions and I think at some point no matter how much the television companies want to fight it They're going to have to finally listen. Yeah, you know the cable subscription numbers are dropping slowly, but they're dropping You know and they're dropping from the bottom too. It's not just the economic pressures It's it's the the the term for it that I've been using and I'm sorry to see pop-ups Is the LA Times these recordings ever the the generation that's coming up It's like they're looking at a cable bill and that's 50 bucks a month that I could be spending on you know Spotify and get every music every song ever created or you know Spend it, you know on a moon and get almost everything that's out right now I actually have not heard that term. I heard about those type of people. I had not heard that term that term is perfect Yeah, we are growing up now with a generation They're never going to subscribe to cable never You know and yes, some of them are turning to torrents. I mean, there's no way around that But there's so many solutions there And at some point the television companies are going to have to go. Oh, wait a minute. What we've been doing for 60 years Is it working anymore? Right? Well, man, it's their turn, right? It was everybody else's turn the last, uh, you know five years or so Go back, you know, it's anyone that's watched this before knows we love e-readers You know, you look at what happened to borders this year You know We're seeing it in so many different segments now and it's television's turn You look at movies They were money was down again this year at the box office. The attendance was down Nobody wants to go to a theater anymore Right, you know, I've got 55 inch television downstairs with the blue ray player Why would I bother? Yeah I can watch Thor at home three months after it's in the theater. Yeah, it's clear It's the earlier release date that people I mean, that's the only benefit this day to going to a theater I mean, especially with the if you're like me and three he gets your headache. Um, yeah So, yeah, well, I mean, okay, there's no way I'm missing the dark man prizes, but There's always those block clusters that you want to see but I'm not going there for the wrong the rom-coms anymore, you know Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I it's not happening, you know, and that hollywood in general is learning the lesson, but You know, they're fighting it tooth and nail. I mean, I'll look at so I mean That's the most ridiculous thing that's ever been proposed. Well, probably It's pretty dark close to it. Yeah you know They're just going to have to finally embrace the internet, you know And they're just they're going to have to do it on our terms though I mean, did you follow this whole thing with the ultraviolet? digital copies at all No, I did not I know I'm you know tertiary aware of it Right, right. Well, it was supposed to be a lot of blue rays now come with digital copies So they got this bright idea. They were gonna come out with ultraviolet And you could watch the digital copy anytime in any way you want it Well, first off, you have to go through two websites to sign up for it It doesn't work on iOS devices Well, I mean in time and time again, it's DRM is just not bad for people like us that like our media free and copyable But it's just a bad user experience. DRM is a bad user. I mean apple Has found that out and they were one of the chief performance of DRM in the music revolution Yeah, so I mean even if you look at You know everything from sony and the root gets in the DRM to More recent examples where you know amazon has had a wild success of Creating a marketplace of DRM free media. So yeah, oh, yeah, I it's fabulous I want to be able to play my digital content on the devices. I want to play it on And doing you know, this was the ultraviolet was such a step backwards And it's already fighting them behind. I mean they're already going. Okay. Maybe this wasn't the greatest idea, right? But so we've got forces that are running counter to each other the marketplace I think the interesting and worthy of note So you've got on the one hand the mark Cuban vision of the future where media isn't stored extreme Right and and that's that's coming to pass You've got Netflix through the plus and doesn't other services that are like that that are available on every freaking device that you can talk to many and then you've got the personal cloud revolution where you've got iOS was it cloud I cloud yeah I got stuck on the mobile me for a second, but it's iCloud now and you've got You know amazon's media stories. You got google's media storage lockers. You've got all these personal hybrid cloud solutions that are both local And you can even buy your own clouds now. There's like a hundred dollar cloud box that you can buy on amazon If everyone can run their own cloud, right? So yeah, we're definitely getting away from local storage to You know the cloud storage that we heard about for years I mean you and I were writing about cloud storage back in 07. Yeah, and nothing was happening with it And now you can't You go swing a rock without hitting a cloud story. I mean everything's in the cloud everything is well So earlier in the week or last week I thought with john mccray One of the former executives from flaxo comcast and he has spent the daughter's company there Just retired from so he goes start his next thing but uh, you know that that's what he talked about was his Invergence of cloud social mobile creating a personal cloud. Yeah And and so this is this to me is an interesting market, especially given that you know, we're a cloud enterprise blog to follow Given the fact that it's similar in some ways that you know, because all these clouds are basically silos Just as every operating system on mobile and desktop or silos But it's a much more wide open market where these silos, you know, you can have a couple dozen competing silos And they all be doing quite well. Yeah, because nobody deletes anything Yeah Well, I mean I can't believe I mean different clouds. I mean I've got you know sugar sink x marks You know, I use so many different clouds in a day It's ridiculous and I love the fact that it's now got a point where I don't think about it It's not special anymore. It just happens. Yes You know, and I love the fact that I can do all sorts of work at my office Come home and five minutes after I'm home every file I created for the day is here Right. I didn't have to get out thumb. I didn't have to do, you know, get out I'm dating myself a floppy I'll go three and a half inch discs. Oh, yeah But no, it's great that this is where the technology Need to be going and it's finally getting there. Yeah, we're living in the future Yeah, although I still won't have my flying car. Damn it I would settle for one that drove itself But uh Google's trying. Yes, they are so Another thing I wanted to hit on uh had to do with Perhaps so there's there's been an audience shift that I've since is coming But uh, you're the first other editor in chief I interviewed for the prediction of the question So I wanted to get your take on There's been a huge year for mobile on a lot of ways that you've already discussed um For the enterprise This is the not maybe not the first year But the first year where it seemed to matter Where mobile was a product you had announcements from Oracle and SAP as well as a lot of the other Down-the-food chain storage and enterprise vendors All making major announcements For the first time about movable Impatibility So I wanted to talk to you about Uh a sense maybe an audience shift or a sense of maybe from the vendors themselves how they're pitching Their mobile devices With regard to the enterprise There is Far more in all the tech specs we receive which I mean we see Tech specs on absolutely every device out there There's more and more about Military-grade encryption. There's more and more about the security. There's also a lot more rugged devices For being used out of the field, you know, we've tested this to military grade standards Yeah, we're seeing more and more Almost every device now lists what type of encryption it has and we know that's directed towards The enterprise field You know the enterprise field used to be the sole domain of blackberry and We're hearing more and more about you know, the iphone's been adapted the ipad's been adapted You know this android device even the us military Just okayed an android device Running android 2.2. It has no marketplace functionality. So there's no chance of spyware getting but Yeah, everybody is looking at mobile and that's because we're now carrying devices You know that even four years ago we kind of dreamed up. We're carrying computers in our pockets, right? Everyone is insisting on mobile as the way of the future I can't point them. I mean, it's amazing what I can do with a device. I can go all day now about touching a computer Yeah, yeah, yeah And so yeah, I we're seeing all sorts of information now about you know, this can be used for this sort of enterprise This can be used for this data encryption Yeah, it's definitely having an impact It's been very slight and it's not that they're making a big point of it It's just there right, you know So, yeah, it's definitely changing. I think perhaps in my field The most impactful announcement that I felt with regard to mobile enterprise is the keynotes of the mworld conference about virtualization server cloud stuff They spent I think of the four keynotes on the last day or first day of the last There were the four keynotes. They spent two of them talking about mode and the experience of the desktop being directly translatable the session using the profiles being directly translatable to a personal device Both in the desktop environment because on in the desktop environment, I think that a trend that seems to be rearing its At ugly or not Is the thin client, right? It's like a perennial favorite in in the desktop world every 10 years to start talking about thin clients again But a couple companies like analogic and wise Are really going heavy marketing these $200 We've got the size of a Roku Sits on your desktop and has all the functionality included from the use of one of a normal desktop And so you can you know load any profile onto that and the documents I've ever known Word or whatever are accessible on that as well as you know on your mobile black And that was what the whole vm where we now can talk about this year this year All right, so I am and vm where there's no small I mean the biggest virtualization company out there competitor Competing only with probably citrus In that in that field SAP have a very similar announcement they announced the s&p had their iPad Development environment was basically as a s&p marketplace you can create your own marketplace within your Fortune 100 company of all these apps that are available for your users It's not out there in the public market place. It's an s&p. It's an internal life So it's the techno buckle of marketplace. So you've got your analytics package And you're wanting to or whatever right? Yeah, so Yeah, I we're seeing Just recently American Airlines announced that they were getting rid of flight manuals and switching completely to iPads, right? You know We're going to see more and more situations where these devices are changed into a corporate specific device You know, I I believe it was the average pilot carrying 40 pounds of paper On flight So between the pilot and the couple you've got eight pounds. You just removed from the plane. Yeah You know, so I guess they check another bag or three Yeah Kevin Smith can get on So Yeah, you're going to see more in the situations where they're going, okay Maybe there's not what we need commercially, but we can develop by ourselves That's what happened with internet explorer six in the desktop That's why I insist how long for so long because all these companies designed specifically for IE six And they didn't want to have to redo all their applications I think this is going to allow them to be a little bit more They're going to be able to change a little bit faster because they're not having to design things So completely right, you know, there's going to be a lot out there that they can build off of So this I wanted to and I didn't breathe you on this before the call, but I wanted to see We may have seen Okay, I'm done walking off The the there was a Corey doctor who did a speech at the chaos computing conference or chaos computing congress In europe last week. I don't know if you had a chance to take a look at that or not No, I am so, uh, Corey doctor obviously a founder and editor over at point point and known Authority on copyright and you know sign final Yeah Yeah, I'm familiar with them. I just haven't seen this particular speech so he He starts off the speech by saying i'm not going to speak on copyright I want to speak about another company calls it the coming war on general purpose computer and And then of course it turns into the copyright Because he talks about okay, so we talked about soba here So talked about like how sopa and all these, you know dmca The protect IP act and all these Many battles that we've had about the rm kind of culminating and the army copyright culminating in soba kind of the worst of the worst Maybe boss level of copyright fight His argument is that it's probably just a mini boss If you look into our future all the things that general purpose computers bring, you know sequencing Unit or perhaps more realistic for your own free printer, which you know do a lot of stuff that you know Would put china in some pirate straights, you know, yeah, yeah You're going to see a world where all these industries much like the entertainment business are going to be lobbying for their own versions of the rm For all these things that we haven't thought of yet And so he's and the thing that Said it's a broad enough the the rm list the media file to All this other stuff it's open basically general purpose computer the desktop machine pc That is that is what enables all these all these other things to exist and What the thing that struck me during his speech is that particularly in the mobile space We're seeing major trends towards You know Heather and lockdown machines even even my android experience. I I I recently my netbook died So I said, yeah, I'm gonna try to have it. So I bought the cheaper product. This is the only Really decent tablet that I could find on the market that wasn't heather for a service had a lot of power and I can do about 76% maybe even 80% of what I could do with my netbook But there's just certain things that are just way too limited either by the form factor or by google locking out certain elements That you just can't do this on a It makes you the problems you eventually have That's right Plus there's all the ishiva crap where there's like every device has some crap where it doesn't do the device Yeah But we're seeing this general trend in mobile where you can do so much on these mobile devices But they're all locked down. They're not general purpose computer devices These are appliances Okay. Yeah, I I get what you're saying. Yeah Yeah, because with a computer even though it comes with bloke where you can Do whatever you want with it. Yes, you know, so long as you have the processing It's Almost like it's somewhat disgusting the walled garden situation that you and I have discussed I don't know how many times but yeah Each of these devices is a walled garden situation Android to an extent is the most open but like you said, there are limitations even to android what you can do with them the It's funny. He brings up a 3d printing because we actually got an invite the other day a technical workflow about come See our 3d printer at cds and I I've been thinking about this technology a ton because it could change so much But you know, there is going to be so many limitations to what we can do with it at least actually Oh, yeah, I mean The d r who we will not seem any form of d r m quite like we will see Yes Because I mean, you know, everyone when you first hear and you're thinking wow, I can just print out my idea No, that's not quite how this is going to work. No, of course you can't hit not As much as I'd like it You know, so he's got excellent point. We are to an extent seeing the the depth of general purpose computing and We're just kind of willy-nilly walking down this road going look at the pretty gadgets So I did I guess I guess my point of question my point of question was First of all, do you see it as inevitable? and second of all at what point do you see Us where we're flipped because right now the desktop still dominates And so at what point do you see us flipped around? It flipped around to you know, that wherever we're appliance or appliance-based computing Society or dominated that in the industry rather than the desktop Within 10 years Your average person is not going to care There there's a reason why Apple has sold this many iPads It's dead simple. It's easy to use Most people don't care they they use their computers for email and web browser That's it. Yeah, you know, they're not Don't get me wrong. There's always going to be a place for the desktop I mean people like you and I we can't exist without a desktop Yeah, you know We're hearing more and more about this mac os 10 ios hybrid It's coming And You've got to wonder how free we're going to be within that environment. Oh, yeah, so even within the desktop It's going to go away. Even if you and I I mean unless we go out and build our own round up system We're going to have these problems and you even look at what they're saying that windows a is going to do You know, they're talking about windows a is going to have an app store windows a is going to be For a pc's and tablets. I'm still waiting to see how the same os Can run such well, you know, this this is a this is a Staking point for me as well. I mean, I'm sure Yeah, for obvious reasons, but I think if you look at how they're they're modeling the metro UI I think it may it may be one of those. It's the same os not. It's the same os Yeah, I There's a lot of wording worth playing going on with that. And so yeah, I agree. It's It couldn't very well be it's just the same ui a different underlying system I mean, they're doing a really decent job of making the windows 7 and the xbox look alike right now And that's supposedly what windows 8 is going to look like as well Well, uh, John Rattinger and Noah Kravitz are our two main mobile guys. They're both currently using Well, no, I take that back. John just switched to the galaxy. No, but up until last week They were both using windows phone 7 Devices as their daily drivers. I and that That says a lot. I mean these guys test every single phone out there Right And they were sucked in by windows phone 7 and they loved it. I played with it. I'm not sure with it, but I I got it off We can do a whole other show on the ui's of operating systems No, doctor was right. I the general purpose computer as we've known it for the past couple decades is going away And it's because the vast majority of people Don't care They haven't cared. They're not caring. They're never going to care. Isn't it funny though? I mean, it's the funny to think about it. The reason why DRM Doesn't work is because it's not a good user experience But the reason why everything will be DRM in the future is because it is a better user experience That is an excellent point. That is a really excellent point because If you look at ios and it essentially is a version of DRM I cannot put anything on there unless ij over it good That does not get apple sealed approval. Yeah, that is a form of DRM Yeah So the what I heard on on four at one time. It's it's a pressure, but a pressure field really good I for one welcome our ios overlords You know and then you see there there are phones with like the android Doesn't control google doesn't control the android market And we've seen all sorts of wild things go through there Yeah, these guys this weekend was the the official syria Yeah, that one gave me a good laugh But yeah, I mean there's been a fake netflix Yeah, that it was really weird all it was doing was it would take your your username and password and then nothing else happened with it and then There's nothing in the netflix account. That's worth getting you can't see the credit card number But somebody went through all this trouble I have no idea. I mean I I totally I see I stuff all the time and there's like all these shell apps that are basically browser short links, you know, I mean Right, it's it's a zoo. That's one of my biggest rights for the android is that You know people talk about how many apps are available, but really when you get down to it How many apps are willing that you're willing to use are actually there exactly? Yeah, I mean Like I said, I couldn't go to the android and uh iphone and Yeah, the number of android apps I load is nowhere near what I load on my iphone I John ranger our president took a look at my iphone one day and is like Really you have this many apps? They all do big things And no, I'm not going broke everyone and primarily free apps, but Yeah, it's it's interesting Wow, doctor really hit a nail on the head. I had not thought about I I never thought about the fact that you know The computers I was using back in the 80s and the 90s Are going away. We're totally in a different age. I mean it's a steep jobs Steve jobs who was and were born today with the industry as it is they would never be where they Ended up. Oh, no What's your my my first computer had Dawson do basic and I learned how to code and because I wanted to have programs, you know And that that age does not exist anymore if you want programs You just think of what a program might be and chances are it's already been written Exactly. Yeah. Well, I mean my first computer was a common over 64 I mean, I I went to summer computer programming camp And learned to write a 200 line program Look, I made a game I remember there were magazines that came out with printed out programs. Yeah, you'd retype it Totally the the worst way to transfer a program to a mass and that's how you did it you It never failed you would get an error on line 200 Yeah You left out a parenthesis And you work with gw basic you've got to like retype the whole freaking thing or something or oh god Yeah, you and I grew up at a very very different age and you were right I mean Wozniak jobs gates none of those people can happen today. You know now we we celebrate the 16 year old app developer You know who's going to make a couple hundred grand, but he's never going to make you know the billions that the original guys did You know, yeah, there's still going to be revolutions of computing And I certainly don't know what they're going to be if they did I I would not be seeing you're talking to you right now I'd be sitting champagne, you know else but You know, it's going to be a very interesting time. We're entering and I think tablets are Definitely the first step towards where we're going, you know, what the end point is who knows But I think tablets You know jobs always used to like say, you know the post pc era And a lot of people have debated, you know, is that true? Are we entering the post pc era? I think we are you know Be free want to be bold and I use the word free very very loosely here. I mean since I'm not going to have to sit at a desk Well, so let me let me present a possible less dark future than what doctrine may predict here because Again going back to the conversation I had last week with john craig The big trend that he was wanting to point to was this thing called Well, it's basically wearable computing, but he called it the the personal cloud or the new the new connected devices And he had a Five or six little devices sitting around his desk There's some sort of fitness headband that would tell you what your sleep cycles and REM cycles were of course the fit fit the job on We'd also talked about the google goggles that we're talking about in new york times two weeks ago That actually gave you an augmented reality heads up display Right, we talked about this Kickstarter project that I bought into that Allows you to have an always-on blue Unable to keep camera built into your glasses and it doesn't look like you do So, I mean there's all these these little peripherals and we're actually walking around with this personal network personal area network personal cloud With all the devices that we have in our utility belts or whatever and The the ability to make these devices is actually the barrier to injury as well You know like three of the devices that john and I talked about were Kickstarter partners Right, uh, and you know granted, you know like the one that I discussed they were ex-sysco because they were the engineer Flip Here So They had nothing else better to do but you can get the arduino Circuit boards you've got like a you know a half dozen other competitors in that realm That you can do amazing things with install install links and do whatever you want with it So perhaps the appliance age need not be mutually exclusive to General purpose computing is that we're doing more hardware hacking than software hacking I think that's an excellent point. I mean you look at Any device that comes out now? I forget what the little device was that came out last week that people hacked and got android and angry birds to run on it You know, yeah, I there's more and more hardware hacking going on You know you constantly see you know read kits and you know I've been able to get an advice to do this You know people were able to get the birds and all of them Which looked like the most underpowered thing in the world to run a full version of android Yeah, and matter of fact our own nook rabbits Built a $20 mac recently using the first generation Apple tv He hacked it and got to run mac os 10 Wow and turned it into a $20 mac that serves his media files around this house now. Nice. You know There there's a big movement towards making sure that devices do what we want them to do And so yeah, that may be the solution to the general purpose computing But then again, you know, I think about people like my own parents I don't see my mother saying around going, you know, I was able to root that phone And get it to run honey cobbled Right. Well, so what I'm saying is that the hackers are always the trailblazers. So they are the adopters So you'll you'll see people do stuff like that and then you'll see Then you'll see uh either through family distribution like hey mom I know you're looking for a phone. You've only got 200 bucks to spend Guess what I've got one of these uh web OS tablets. I'll just install hand Or something like this, right? I mean, there's a there's a dozen different scenarios Plus, you know kick-started projects. These things run out of the box Yeah, right. So like these glasses, I didn't have to do any of that I got a couple Cisco guys working for me. I gave them 300 bucks. You're gonna give me one Yeah This is essentially how it pans out, right? Yeah, has that project been funded? That sounds really it was it was uh overfunded in fact And then and uh, my I was lucky enough to get in the pre-over stage So I should be seeing it the next couple weeks or two or do you want to get it? That sounds awesome. Yeah, I started it. It's been one of those things where It's fascinating because it's allowing people To come up with these bizarre projects that they could never sold to anyone else You know, nobody would ever touch this thing, but they're able to go out and go, hey, we got this idea. You got a couple bucks? Yeah I think things like Kickstarter are going to also really help form the future because now it's available to anyone Anyone can find that funded You know, so long as you aren't an idiot and write a horrible Kickstarter page, which I've seen a good deal of those Yes But it's fascinating. I we are definitely at the cusp of a new era in computing I I'm excited and fearful at the same time because we don't know what's coming at this point You know, you look at desktop sales are dropping every year laptop sales are Holding about medium, you know the tablet revolution I I still don't call it a tablet revolution. I call it the iPad revolution You know, there were 101 tablets at CES last year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Somebody actually counted them up Yeah, how many of them can you name? Maybe maybe it doesn't unless because I'm in the industry. Yeah, exactly Exactly. I mean I'm sorry besides the Motorola zoom, which is where now I I can hardly name anything You know, so it's definitely the iPad revolution that we're going through and not the tablet revolution I think the tablet revolution can happen But it's going to take more than just the iPad lead it and Maybe it's Amazon You know, okay. No good thing and you know ebooks. We didn't call that one early. Did we? Uh, I believe you and I called ebooks before just about anybody Yeah You and I did more videos about e-readers and the technology and dissections and all that. Oh my gosh The one you tore apart the issue of Esquire I was curious And no, it's amazing Watching what's happening with e-readers, you know, and especially the Kimbell. I mean the Kimbell is the e-reader right now And it's fascinating because you and I were so far like everyone you need to watch this Yeah, so yeah, I I think the same things might happen with tablets, you know a lot of people are saying oh tablets aren't going to be anything They're just for content, you know consumption They're going to get there. Yeah, you know and Yes, the first computers were about people building their own stuff and then go in the 90s The internet came around and it turned into just basically content consumption I mean, how many people own a computer now and have ever created anything on it besides an email? Yeah, I mean there's there's that's majority I would say Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I don't know it's a it's an exciting time and like I said and a scary time. Yeah A lot of reasons Oh, yeah There's numerous reasons to be scared and excited at the same time So, uh, I guess that's all the questions I have for you. Uh, and because we've probably I'm I'm curious as well and I've used up my entire memory card on this or not. So This would be a surprise when I hit the button But is anything else you wanted to mention before you go? Maybe some url or something? Uh, just yep technobuplo.com, you know, stop by we're we're always talking about phones for sure and other exciting things in the consumer electronics industry And uh, yeah, you know just swing by and take a look at what we have to offer sure and of course shanpione.com and at shanpione And uh, at some point some occasionally you can find his boat on technobuplo.com Minecraft at technobuplo.com Yes building things Someday your sugarcane farm will be finished. Yeah someday Oh More conference calls some guys All right, folks, well, let's let's uh wish you all a happy new year I'll let you guys get on with it and uh, you guys can keep track of how many of the things that we said come to pass This year and of course the the tangier predictions. Those are You just just keep track. Let us know what we'll see how we get it off sure. I'll forget right now Hey, yeah, I think by 20 2022 yeah Refer back to this video All right, so anyway, thanks for thanks for joining us and see you later folks