 And now joining us on the program tonight is the former chairman of IPAC, Chief Amir Peter. Good evening Chief. Now the news is everywhere talking about the president's forged certificate and of course the release of the certificate from the Chicago State University. In a post on X, the minister, talking about the minister of evasion, Alexis Kayamo said Attico was holding on to every single straw that resembles a live line, you know, having, when he said Chicago State University had confirmed Tinibu attended the institution. What's your take on this and what does it portend for the PDP and Attico Abubakar going into the Supreme Court? I think the best of all, I want to commend the intention of Attico Abubakar to UNELD, the certificate I got that I've been on for over 30 years. If we want to look at the background in 1999, Tinibu submitted a few reforms to INEC and later said it was not Chicago State University, Chicago State University. I was trying to... What was going on? Sorry. What was going on? By 223, when he was going to submit an under-built document that he would have submitted the original, authenticated certificate from Chicago State University. That didn't happen. The certificate again became a controversy in the election and people were really worried about what has happened and if you look at what happened in Chicago State University, the facts that are on ground now is the fact that what Tinibu submitted in 1998, it does not tell you what has been on it in the discovery in the Chicago State University. So, one of the grounds for this publication of an election is that when it can be submitted for a certificate to the Independent National Electric Commission. So, it's so far so good that people have done what is right. Tinibu has made me to pursue this theological conclusion because one, it is the best instance of our country. It is even the best interest of the electoral process for us to finally know what are the discrepancies between what has been submitted and what is now currently being given the position in the United States of America because we cannot build our nation on the 40th foundation. And people have done what they needed to do. Nigerians have seen the facts. Nigerians are examining the facts. They are going through it and trying to make sure that whatever is brought into them, there are proper information to be able to look at issues. Where did the Supreme Court? These matters were already brought before the appeal court and it was well-delibrated and discussed. So, I don't think it's just like introducing more evidence. So, it's a positive evidence to prove that what is the Independent National Electric Commission is not what was found in the file in Chicago State University. Chief, the Chicago State University's office of the registrar actually affirmed that you know, Bola Tinibu indeed attended the university from August 1977 through June 1979 and was awarded a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration with honors on June 22, 1979. Although there's some discussion in some quarters about, you know, the transcripts. You know, talking about the Southwest College transcript that Tinibu used to get admitted to Chicago State University belongs to a female. And a lot of people question the authenticity of the transcript because of the many errors in it such as date and social security number. And we also know that section 463 of the criminal code stipulates a three-year imprisonment sentence for forgery. Y section 362 to 364, you know, of the Penal Code address forgery offenses with penalties reaching up to 14 years of imprisonment. Does this mean that Atticu can get justice at the Supreme Court once more? Well, we don't want to claim the court. We don't want to say what the court will do. But what we know, what is on the graph, is the fact that I don't want to look at the transcripts that was done that they are still going to Chicago State University. I don't want to look at the state of the college that I attended in Lagos because those details are as mentioned in controversies and I don't want to look at all of these things. What I'm looking at, what Atticu wanted to prove was the fact that the term that was submitted to IEC is not the product of Chicago State University. Even if you attended the university, what Atticu is going to prove is the case of forgery. So it's going to bring, and there are cases, there are judgments from like many of the cause of the, how they call it, the confidentiality, to say that if you have proven a forgery that they can get justice for, you must put the forgery one and the one submitted side-by-side. The forgery one and the ratio side-by-side, that's the only way you can move what is forgery and what is not forgery. What he's trying to prove, Atticu here has got to know what he has got to know. Whatever any how people want to tell the story, any how people want to be able to keep the information, that is not Atticu's problem. What Atticu wants is that whatever that was submitted in 1999, whatever that was submitted in 2020-3, we're not going to be able to prove that that really came from Chicago State Press. So as the former chairman of, you know, Interparty Advisory Council, IPAC, what would be your message, your personal message to INAIC on this issue? You said what, as a former chairman? As a former chairman of IPAC, what would be your submission where you said that Atticu had just made his own, he just talked about, made it clear that it was not beyond, beyond getting justice from Supreme Court, it's just to show that the certificate submitted by the president is not in alignment with what he was, that he submitted to INAIC. Now for you as a former chairman of IPAC, what would be your message going forward to INAIC? My memory, the message is that we must build a country, one of the clean IPACs of things, was to look at how to build credit book, fair and transparent electoral process for elections. And I must be clear that the, like what IPAC did in the States to get involved in interparty activities of two parties that are just in power, but not how the essence of what IPAC was for. IPAC was best to make an electoral process transparent, to make it present the truth of the people. For me, going forward on this issue, it's better this issue is played to reference Supreme Court. That is, we could probably look at these issues and look at where, you know, the right, because we can't tell you what to do, but one thing we will not know, because the public opinion is key, and whatever Supreme Court is doing, over $14 million out of those who voted, you know, voted for politics, and Supreme Court might look at the views and look at the document presented before them, and then put it side by side, in the best interest of Nigeria, for us as a country to continue to progress in Europe. We cannot continue to progress in Europe when we have generation yet to come born, and generation of growing up, to be able to keep them directive on what direction, on what to do, to make sure that our country works. Because we can't be bad example, or try to create an example for those who are coming, and then make it feel like it's on moral grounds that we have no authority to be able to tell them what to do. So my mind is that the facts should speak for itself. And when those documents are brought in, they will bring the satisfactory copy of what Mola and Akmei to submit it to Aidek, and then put it side by side, because the court doesn't just take up the decision on the ground of law. The court must also take the decision based on morality, people's truth, and based on facts. And if the facts are together, and if what's submitted, you know, are procedural flaws, and contradictory markings that are not in line with the board, the document that has been given the authentication, then the decision must be taken also by Nigerian camp people, so that we can start to talk about how to build the economy and build a society that will respect the right and interest of our people. Thank you so much. Hi, Chief Amei there. We were talking to the former chairman of Interparty Advisory Council, Chief Amei. Thank you so much for your contribution on the show tonight. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you very much.