 Well, good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, everyone who has joined. Thank you for joining the session on preparing the next generation of youth leaders to accelerate climate adaptation in cities. We appreciate your time. We look forward to this exciting session. We are happy to be here at the 14th international conference for community based adaptation, and we are happy to provide some context to the way we have organized the session today and how we'll be seeking your feedback on this very important and dear topic to us. Just a few housekeeping rules as we start the session. We will be starting with a panel discussion during this panel discussion, your microphones and videos of the participants will be off. And this is a 30 minute session. You will see on the control bar in the zoom, the microphone mute sign as you see here the symbol will be muted. 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Please let us know you can interact with us through either the participant function or through chat or raise your hand, and we will try to resolve your technical difficulties. We have Victoria and Egley, two people from the organizers team who are here to help support that. And now we would like to as we have more participants join in we would like to engage in a small ice, icebreaker session where we would request you to go on your phones or on your laptops however you are dialed in. Please go to www.menti.com and we have two quick questions that we want your reactions to. Once you go to this Mentimeter.com site, please use this code that you see on the screen to enter into the enter your responses to the two questions we have. I'll stop sharing my screen now and we'll all go to the Mentimeter link. And the first question is. As you see, what word do you think of when you hear youth leadership. And just to remind everyone you can still see the code at the top of the screen. The code again is 4269443. That's great. Thank you for all your comments there are second Mentimeter question just to get to know you better. Could you please let us know which organizations do you represent government NGO academic institutions this would be a great way for us to know who are the participants today for this section. We have a lot of presence from academic institutions NGOs as well as some government representatives and civil society organizations that's great. Well thank you for sharing this with us appreciate we appreciate it it gives us all a good sense of who all are here today. So this is just a word cloud showing you what we all thought and typed in when we thought of youth leadership. A lot of innovation empowerment. Knowledge co production dynamism, and also an experience highlighted and energy. Five academic institutes, three NGOs to government representatives one donor organization one civil society organizations and one policy think tank that's great. Thank you. I think we'll go back to our main session now. Thank you all really appreciate you sharing this information with us. Now, going on to our main session just wanted to quickly in introduce you to the run of the show. We will, as I mentioned earlier, we will have a introductory session introducing you to the panelists for today. This will be led by our moderator today Dr Murali Chandrasekharan. He will lead the introductions and then start the panel discussion we will first begin with opening remarks from the Canadian Ambassador Patricia Fuller, who is here today with us and we thank her for a present for her presence and her participation. Her opening remarks will be followed by remarks by our panelists each panelist will have three minutes to provide their remarks on this topic area. We which will be followed by a discussion that will be moderated by Dr Murali with the panelists. Once we close the panel discussion, we will enter into the breakout group discussions and here we will be discussing two questions for each group, we will break out into four groups and each group will have 25 minutes. And each of you will have time to share your comments and thoughts on the questions that we want to discuss and get your inputs on. We will then reconvene the breakout groups to report back on what we heard from each session. So that's the overall structure of the session I will now hand it over to Dr Murali just to introduce him. He is the Professor of Behavioral Science at the Southern School of Business at University of British Columbia he teaches classes on global issues macroeconomics and urban resilience. He is also the Vice Provost International at UBC working on convening collaborations to together focus attention on issues of global relevance. His ambition and goals are to shepherd and he continues to build larger alliances to do this to shepherd future leaders in their global citizenship journey. And some interesting other facts about Dr Murali is that he has started professional curling in Vancouver and cooks is a great avid cook and cooks for his wife and three daughters every day. Thank you to Dr Murali for agreeing to moderate the session over to you. Thank you so much. I think in the last nine years living in Vancouver I have become more Canadian than most Canadians because I have started curling competitively. So let me kick the session off it's it's you know it's a great time to have the session because I you know we live in a time of astounding inequalities. From poverty lack of age access to education, the disproportionate impact of climate change and the vulnerable to racial injustice gender equality, and just from basic instability to disrespect for those that don't look talk and think like us the challenges we face together. In turn, COVID-19 has vividly laid bare the undeniable fact that shocks and stresses affect the world's most vulnerable who live in informal settlements and slums without access to running water or adequate housing and even as we continue to be engulfed by the COVID-19 crisis that is essentially driven societies to greater isolation. We're recognizing the shaky foundations on which global prosperity gains of the recent past rest. And indeed despite progress in many areas, deep rooted and increasingly widening social environmental and economic divides and disparities characterize our world today. But there's optimism, though, that as we cautiously emerge from the long shadow of this crisis, voices are emerging that urge for greater collaboration, inclusion and multilateralism so we can together bridge divides and mutually benefit from the thinking and talent of a range of partners with whom our collective and individual futures are inexorably and inextricably linked. And it is to this call is really of inspiring voices that universities need to and can add their voice. We need now more than ever before to embrace the view that universities are indeed global actors. And we need to work collaboratively with a range of partners from range of sectors and geographies, much like the ones that are represented in today's discussion. So there are two issues that are central to this. The first is to shepherd youth leaders to greater global citizenship. And indeed, these are the leaders who should have the opportunity to learn about global challenges such as climate adaptation. This passion as you saw in the Mentimeter, this passion future, the power, the energy, the perspective of innovation that we believe you have but also a sense of inexperience where we, the rest of this ecosystem need to provide opportunities that propel youth leaders in this challenge. The second issue is to develop knowledge in collaboration with communities and think about use inspired research. All of this takes time. And so we need to think about the long haul game that has both urgency built into it, but also patients in order to drive action. And one of the things that we'll talk about is this collaborative for urban resilience and effectiveness that I am part of that has worked in cities, worked on projects with students from cross-disciplinary teams, cross-institutional and cross-continental teams to really add value. So that's the background for today's discussion. And we're really excited that we have Ambassador Patricia Fuller to kick us off in this conversation. And we have a terrific panel, Lauren Sorkin, Sheila Patel, Rohir van Vandenberg and Dr. Rosalind West. So if we can go to the next slide, it's my pleasure really to introduce to you Ambassador Fuller, who's Canada's Ambassador for Climate Change, named in 2018 for the term of three years. And in her role she provides advice on climate change considerations in Canada's international priorities. And as you can see, leads bilateral engagements with partner countries and clean growth and climate change. And she represents Canada in the Global Commission on Adaptation. Patricia, over to you. Thank you very much, Dr. Morale. It's really a pleasure to be here at CBA 14. And I'd like to congratulate the World Resources Institute and the collaborative for urban resilience and effectiveness for organizing this event. And in particular for the focus on preparing the leaders of the future. I think with what we are seeing now with the climate crisis and the global pandemic, layering one on top of the other. We're seeing the resilience of populations around the world being severely tested. And I think we see, for example, on the west coast of North America, well, where you are Dr. Morale, that we have situations like the need to create centers for people to go to have well ventilated air to breathe. And yet, at the same time, we're in a pandemic so being together in a center is not a good strategy. So we see the compounding of these crises and the tests that that represents for resilience and so certainly preparing the leaders of tomorrow. Well, it's as you say it's a long haul game. It's, it's, it's so important and the, it will test all of the innovation and dynamism of our of our youth that was highlighted so much in the, in the poll that we took at the beginning of the session. So I would just like to talk about the work of the Global Commission on adaptation, which I hope can be helpful to the discussion about preparing the leaders of the future. The goal of the Global Commission on adaptation was to to bring a greater urgency scale and innovation to the efforts around adaptation to do to address the impacts of climate change that are already upon us. It was launched by the Dutch government in 2018, and it's a two year effort that will will wrap up in January at the Climate Adaptation Summit on January 25. So with respect to the challenge the commission in its in its flagship report that was released last year said that really what we need is a revolution in thinking on three levels. One is in understanding the risk that that faces us pricing it assessing it much more effectively and that is a skill that needs to be needs to be built up. Second in planning such that that climate risk is mainstreamed across decisions in the public and private sphere. And third around financing to mobilize not just public financing but also private financing for adaptation. On this basis, each action tracks were established by the Commission to scale up adaptation solutions and drive that innovative thinking. These action tracks include the one that Canada and Mexico are leading which is on nature based solutions, as well as the city cities action track which WRI and Smita are leading. And also the locally led action track which Sheila who will hear from later is is leading. So with respect to the the the action track for nature based solutions. Certainly, nature based solutions are an enormous resource for building resilience. And I've been fortunate to be part of a couple of discussions already today around the power of nature based solutions. They're certainly getting more attention, although those of you who've been working for a long time in the conservation fields, or certainly representatives of indigenous communities have known this for a long time but the attention that nature based solutions gets around policy making tables or corporate tables is not what it needs to be and certainly doesn't reflect the the the power of these types of solutions to reduce the impacts of climate change, whether it's in the cooling effects of urban forests or the protection of coastlines with mangroves or attenuation of flooding with restoration of wetlands. So there is certainly a powerful case to make for working with nature to reduce climate risks. And in collaboration with the the city's action track, we plan to profile cities which are leaders in this area. So for example, in Brazil the municipality of Campinas is protecting and and restoring forested watersheds that are helping to improve the water and water supply for for three million city residents, as well as to reduce floods. And in Vancouver. The, the rain city strategy has been adopted that aims to capture and clean 90% of the city's rainwater by incorporating nature based solutions into land use planning and urban design. These are, these are powerful examples. We also on this action track are partnering with a youth led organization to profile the leadership of youth and in promoting and implementing nature based solutions. So certainly we are thinking about the leaders of the future and I will conclude there just by saying that to meet this challenge of adaptation to climate change. Certainly innovative thinking is required and ambitious action is required so preparing the leaders of tomorrow is certainly an essential part to take on this. So again, congratulations to the organizers for the session and I will stay for it as much for as much of it as as I as I can. Thank you. Thank you ambassador fuller. So let's, let's turn to our panel. And have a discussion kicking off with with Lauren Sorkin, who's the executive director of the global resilient cities network, and she's based in Singapore, where she oversees global efforts to strengthen cities in the face of complex and sector challenges the layering idea that Ambassador fuller fuller talked about and learn leads a team that's distributed around the globe as you can see, and working with chief resilience officers of cities in 40 countries, and she builds on this work on the legacy of the urban cities program that is so central now to the building of resilience of communities and critical infrastructure. And I have known Lauren for many years now, and she was an early co conspirator in the urban resilience pedagogical program that has now become the collaborative for urban resilience and effectiveness. So Lauren, my friend over to you. Hi, I'm Charlie and it's such a pleasure to be here. This is an issue that, as you said we've been collaborating on for some time and that I'm tremendously passionate about just a few words about their resilient cities network. We are a network of practitioners and end of doers and so I'm going to speak briefly about what we do and then I'm really looking forward to interacting with the other panelists and also with all of you about where we go from here. The global resilience cities network for those of you aren't familiar is the world's leading resilience practitioners network. And so we bring together city practitioners, partnerships and funding, and we empower our cities. We work together as a blended team and our mission is to reduce vulnerabilities and improve the well being of 220 million urban dwellers in 97 cities around the world. We do this by three main delivery areas. The first is around that empowerment. So we can't respond to the challenges that the ambassador spoke so eloquently about without building capacity in place. And that's another reason I'm so excited about this partnership because universities are absolutely critical to that. We see ourselves as a knowledge base. And so what we do is we collect and share the best practice, and we create communities of practice around that with our cities, and we deepen that and then go on and implement. So we work with our cities to take care and set up multi city programs to deliver on the ground. And I think many who worked in the space for a long time often say cities are a challenging space to work because once you go down to that sub national level it's tricky to get projects done. Well, working between cities and groups and having that mutual accountability is something that we found to be tremendously helpful to try to move these important issue areas forward at scale and at the pace really that the world needs. And finally, we work to mobilize investment for our cities themselves. And so if we want to get serious around getting projects that are going to deliver multiple benefits, we have to design them and we have to incentivize them. So we also spend a lot of time focusing on getting projects that are going to build the resilience in cities funded. We work on three opportunity areas that we see as the priority for building city resilience right now. They are interlinked because all of our challenges in cities as systems are interlinked and so I'll just speak to them very briefly here we work on holistic resilience as a lens for looking at systems and around shocks and stresses and then within that holistic approach. We deal with these three cross cutting themes COVID recovery with a specific attention to equity and the economic opportunity that really you spoke to in your opening. We also look at climate resilience clearly that's our topic of the day. And within that drilling deeper to really focus on issues that communities grapple with in particular water and energy but energy in terms of how it empowers community distributed energy and renewable energy and finally circular economy waste management and food systems. And I just want to close by saying we are dedicated to this mission, creating a safe and equitable world and very, very much looking forward to empowering youth leaders as a part of that agenda going forward. Thank you, Lauren. Fantastic. So, let's, let's turn to our next panelist Sheila Patel. Sheila is a founding director of Spark, an NGO that's been working for decades now to support community organizations of the urban poor in their efforts to secure housing and basic amenities and she is a legend. And, you know, she continues to inspire she seeks attention to the issues of urban poverty, the various themes that are part of our discussion today she's also a core fund and a slum dwellers international, which is a transnational social movement urban point country. It's chairperson as well. Sheila, over to you. Thank you for all those generous words. I'm delighted to be part of this this session, because for the last 35 years, I have worked very hard to not only work with organizations of the urban poor. We are working in India, and who are my organization's partners, but we also have a network and a social movement of slum dwellers who are federated in 33 countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America, working in around 350 to 400 cities. And all the rhetoric that we hear in events like this, there is a deep structural ravine that separates informality and informal city. And so, one of the things I want to do as part of this session is to get a commitment from Lauren that we are going to work together after this, because there are so many reasons. We have good justification for not providing basic amenities and services to the urban poor, and COVID has shown the implications of that. My role as a commissioner in the GCA has been both timely and extremely educational, because it has shown us that every single challenge that the urban poor face has a deep foundational climate lens. And that while poor people have shown amazing capacity to produce a adaptive resilience, which is in the realm of survival, the inability of the nation states, the global institutions and our local cities to work with communities at scale to produce these minimum equities of citizenship have been made bare in this COVID period. So, the way in which we seek to solve this challenge is to say that the three most important characteristics or characters, sorry, that we need to produce into a long term engagement at the local level is the city authorities, the slum dwellers association and the local university. And the reason why that is important is that all three produce elements of knowledge that can produce all the sustainable development goals that are linked to cities and address all the wicked problems of climate change that need to be addressed. And that as a champion personally, along with Dr Musa, who is also a commissioner from black, we have made a 10 year commitment to engage these three local actors into a long term relationship that they bring their knowledge together, along with whatever gets contributed from national and global levels to produce the transformation that is going to take us five to 10 years to be because it took us two centuries to produce the intergenerational poverty that poor people live in. And therefore we need long term solutions. This particular discussion is about young people. It's very important in this conversation to not only talk about young people studying in universities, but also to think about the youth, young men and women in informal settlements, who are today a very serious majority in the informal settlements, because both in South Asia, and Sub Saharan Africa, which are the two most rapidly urbanizing areas on the globe. They are a huge demographic advantage disadvantage depending on how much we invest in their transformation. And unfortunately, their presence as representatives of poor communities and youth is hardly there in these international events, let alone national and local events. So the exploration that I'm looking for is to look at local and global networks that bring in knowledge, resources and partnerships. Thank you. Thank you Sheila. Let's turn to Roche. Who is the Urban Development Director at the World Resources Institute of the Ross Center for Sustainable Cities. And, you know, he leads global programming on all matters related to cities, land use, climate change, adaptation, and so on. And he also holds multiple hats, Urban Planning, Development, Architect, he's a former entrepreneur, and has led the UN Habitat's Urban Lab just a few years ago. So Roche, over to you my friend. Thank you very much and thanks to be part of this panel and I really like to build upon the former two speakers and also the great framing that Sheila provided on that city community university collaboration. I think two things that really are standing out already in the discussion right now is the long term engagement and scale. So how are you going to do that. And I am together with Smita leading the city's action track under the Global Commission of Adaptation. That's another follower referred to in our opening remarks. So how do you, how do you bring these together in this kind of impactful for creating impactful solutions on the ground. So doing that we have, we are looking at launching a knowledge platform for inclusive climate adaptation at the adaptation summit the 25th of January in in Rotterdam under the Global Commission of Adaptation, bringing universities, cities and the Federation of Urban Poor Communities together in really looking at a scaled program research programs and actual partnerships on the ground to develop that kind of the long term research action community city alliance. And it's quite, quite complex to to to establish everybody here at the table knows I for a long time I was kind of head of the urban department in Amsterdam. And I brought students from Amsterdam to San Paolo. And they were actually surprised that the students from San Paolo never went to the informal settlements that we were actually with that we were actually working with. So I think we establishing that connection is kind of highly, highly, highly relevant. And if you if you do that you can from there, build centers of actual excellence and try to establish also kind of peer to peer learning between cities and communities. I kind of refer to briefly to the city's action track on the which this kind of initiative is being developed together with the cure with SDI with GRC and the Global Center for adaptation among others. And we in the run up to the adaptation summit in January, we launched already the program to train that next generation of leaders with 10 projects and Dr. Morally you're very well aware of this 10 projects that we have launched together with universities in Kenya, in the US in Mexico, Indonesia and Bangladesh, already to kind of make this kind of connection these three parties collaboration between university city and community actionable on the ground that's for the summer semester, sorry for the for the fall semester 2020. So maybe a last couple of things that I that I want to say that in the context of the city action track where we bring together that city networks, institutions and knowledge partners together. We really look at scaling up the efforts around climate resilience in cities. And we can do that because we work together in a lot of kind of similar geographies and we can make use of our complimentary entry points to both the national authorities the local authorities but also to the real kind of knowledge partners in cities, and maybe the last thing that I that I want to say about this kind of opportunity of creating these this this next generation of leaders, and that long term engagement between city community and and university is that localized data and really kind of localized research is is is essential and only based on that you can come to really kind of solutions that that makes sense that our community driven and community open. Thank you very much. And sorry for the background noise I don't know if you if you hear my mind. You were just great. Thank you right here. And last but certainly not the least Dr Rosalind West, who's joining us from the UK, where she's the climate resilience team leaders you see for the foreign UK foreign common wealth and development office and work specifically in the Africa program. She's here to understand improve the understanding of African climate science and how to bring that into decision making she's a passionate person about action only to use inspired research and she certainly shares that with me is a kindred spirit, and it's developing the adaptation research alliance with a view to adding value at COP26 Rosalind over to you. Thanks so much and thanks very much to everyone for the opportunity to speak with you today is a real privilege so I'd like to say yes as Morali has said I am responsible for the future climate for Africa research program and which has been running for the last six years. And I'd like to share some reflections with you today from the fractal project under future climate for Africa, which is looking at the future resilience of African cities and lands and I think that they've made some really great strides and through their sustained program of engagement and co development in nine cities across Southern Africa. So, you know, building on everything that previous speakers have said in its cities are extremely complex spaces and climate change adds another layer of complexity to that as it manifests at multiple levels and across cross cutting the risks in the city. So how has fractal done things differently to try and tackle this well I'm going to just give you a very quick overview of six different ways it's done that. It's done this by challenging this framing that it's an information or communication deficit the idea that it's the lack of scientific information that is causing our problems with decision making and instead it's focused on connecting city actors to existing science and through in depth and transdisciplinary research. So secondly, it has embedded researchers in city councils and through regular in city learning labs throughout the six years of the program to support that social learning and involving all the partners and city actors. Thirdly, there's been a very strong focus on understanding the governance of Southern African cities and looking for opportunities to support climate related decision making. And fourthly, in really involving city actors in interrogating how climate change information itself is constructed and and decisions that are made on underlying assumptions in the climate science and climate modeling itself, trading uncertainty against the risk of error and challenges in communication and building on that. The fifth way is about using co produced climate risk narratives and more stories of the future for different city regions to support those dialogues around climate change and particularly engagement with uncertainty. And then finally that's been brought together through a climate information distillation framework which has supported that transparent collaborative climate information construction. Now, if we want to support the next generation of youth in this to grapple with the complex problems such as climate resilience and adaptation in cities, we need to support the learning that's going on in universities within a holistic and integrated paradigm and transdisciplinary co production is of course core to that paradigm. And that that requires I think the reflection from the program is that that in this project is that that requires new theories new methods new skills new ways of learning to support outcomes and beyond just the scientific excellence. And that this transdisciplinary co production and in some cases blurs that boundary between science and society. Now that requires our students and youth to develop competencies and might be otherwise not so traditional. So, competencies, including social relevance and engagement, how to build trust managed relationships develop effective communication skills with diverse stakeholders, emotional and psychological competencies self awareness self discipline time management and ongoing reflexive competencies and those require new support systems so the early career researchers and youth in all need support to develop these competencies and then of course to be able to share new experiences and to learn from others. And one way that we've done that through a future climate for Africa is through a an early career research network, and through strong mentoring relationships. So we also need support from experienced researchers, you know to be brave and to try new things and support from funders institutions to allow them to do that. So we need to put in place the networks and systems to enable this integrated holistic approach tackle these complex problems. Another overriding reflection from practice as a whole is a genuine acknowledgement and embedded in everything I previously said of the value of diverse and perspectives and expertise. You know in these complex urban settings and others and no one holds the full perspective, you know all the data in the world can't tell me as a climate scientist sitting here in London, what it's like to live with flooding in an informal environment on the outskirts of Lusaka. So we need a genuinely inclusive process to fully understand everyone's perspectives on the challenges and co developed those solutions. Now the UK presidency of the COP26 provides a major opportunity to increase action on adaptation and resilience. And that needs to be underpinned by knowledge and by understanding what works and what doesn't in different contexts and for and with different communities. So we're keen to use this opportunity of the COP26 to increase support for the kind of action orientated user centered research that we've been discussing today and the other speakers highlighted. And to work with the research and action communities to establish an adaptation research alliance to that end for launch at COP26. So if you're interested in that, please do get in touch with me and thanks very much for your attention. Thank you. Thank you, Rosalind. We have a times never our friend when we're having fun conversations is it. There were lots of interesting themes, lots of rich themes. And what was common here was that, you know, this is complex that a deep divides here that it's important to do that networks are important. And so those were themes that seem to characterize the scope of things and I like Sheila your commented on this slums communities, cities and universities. If I can add a couple of sea words to that, and have us think about colleges and universities communities, cities, corporates, thinking about private sector funding, and countries as well. You need all these layers to collaborate. So if I can just have each of the speakers in the panel reflect on and come into this one theme that I'll identify, then we can switch to to the to the group breakout sessions and I'll start with Ambassador Fuller. If she's still here just a quick comment, what should be different in any one of these actors, what should be different than what has characterized the past some things got to give. If we've got to make transformative progress. So, Ambassador Fuller if you can comment on what should country governments do differently. And then I'll jump to Lauren. And then we'll go to Sheila right here. And, and to Rosalind just a very quick reflection and what needs to be different as we look into the future. Thank you Dr Morali. You just caught me because I unfortunately do have to go to my other meeting, but I'm happy to just perhaps you know reflecting on the Canadian experience. I think that while so much action and important action is taking place at the community level. I think we're seeing that saying the need to create create stronger networks between different levels of government and a stronger alignment of our efforts including investments you know how we action from the federal level to other levels. So, I would say that greater greater alignment and and I think we're seeing that the most effective way to do that is really to take that that that risk based focus. Well, very much keeping in mind the interrelationships among risks and the need to to have a, you know, an all risk perspective. So, thanks. Thank you Ambassador full I know you have to go but thanks for joining us and we'll be in touch with your office going forward. Thank you so much. Thank you, Dr Morali vital. Thank you. Lauren, your thoughts. One team that needs to be different. Thanks really for for me it has to be speed and leaning into discomfort. I think what we've seen with COVID-19 is that it's broken down barriers and created urgent alliances, and we really can't afford to lose that we're in the same situation with a number of global shocks and stresses and so we've got to get into that discomfort have those conversations like Sheila was talking about earlier about informality about having basic care for urban dwellers there's a really important reason we use that word and not citizens. So many of the people in our cities are recent migrants, or they're undocumented, and we need to make sure we are taking care of people at the same time. And we are solving for the challenges that are making their lives so difficult in the first place whether those be climate challenges, equity challenges, race relations challenges, these are very real things that people are dealing with. And we have to have open conversations across these shocks and these stresses. Thank you Lauren Sheila, how about you. For me the most important thing is that speed in the face of really long term wicked problems does not produce sustainable solutions. In fact, it has to be replaced with serious mining of unique knowledge that each constituency brings, because that will produce the kind of disruptive change that we are looking for. Because there are too many things which we are comfortable doing, which have become conventional ways to adapt to crisis change that have to be changed. And so, I think the communities are the weakest of these technology groups, and you will find they come with the plethora of skills and capabilities that other people have to learn to recognize acknowledge. In return, communities have to build the confidence to dialogue and negotiate and sit on this high table to resolve to resolve problems. Once that is done, we will get speed but till then, we're going to go back to square one all the time. So for me, it's unique qualitative contributions that each of these stakeholders global local everybody has to bring. Thank you Sheila. Hi, thanks. Morali not so for me I think what is what needs to be really change what really needs to change is that is the local ownership of data and knowledge. I mean that it doesn't involve a lot of international partner all sorts of regional partner citywide institutions. But I have often seen in my career that coming into a city working with, you know, local constituencies that there is such a lack of kind of continued a lack and lack of continuity of kind of data resources and knowledge production so. You can only do that if you create this kind of long term study approach to resolving kind of the key issues at stake and, and therefore, once more that that adaptation agenda, the 10 year adaptation agenda, working with cities to resolve that is very is very important. Thank you. Here, Rosalind much. Thanks so much. I'm, you know, I think for me it's really building on everyone else said but I think very much about the empowerment of that real shared ownership of the process of that collaborative research of unpicking the problem of identifying solutions. And the sharing issues, how does climate change impact on those and compound them and the shared ownership of the knowledge that's there produced from that and, and therefore the way that it is taken up and applied to the problems that some people are tackling. Thanks. Fantastic. Smith over to you. Sorry, I was on mute. Apologies. Thank you all the panelists for the excellent comments and also reactions and posing to each other's comments and hopefully posing and opening the conversation for additional collaborations in the future. We what we would like to do is break out into smaller groups. I know we have about 24 participants. So we'll break out into four groups. And so about six participants each. And each one of the panelists will lead a conversation on two questions, which have come up in this discussion. And the questions have already been shared with the panelists. So we will have a little more limited time than we shared here but we will roughly have maybe around 20 minutes for this breakout session and then we'll reconvene to share report back in a larger group on what we heard on the two key questions for each group. Over to Anna who will support the breakout groups. Yes, I was going to say you can go to slide 16 but I will start the breakout groups now and you will see a button to click join group so please do so once you're assigned to the group so I will start that now. Ah, people are coming in. Yeah, if you have the chance to share your video would be nice to see who's on the other side. We have 20 minutes for for discussion. While you know me I was being introduced and I've been talking but it would be nice to have a quick round who's here at the table at our virtual table aglit maybe you kick off. Yes, hi, I'm a volunteer for the CBA. So I'm just here for a technical and zoom support. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Hi Mark, I see Mark Castillo. Yes, hello, I'm Mark. I'm actually a student in university, finishing my fourth year in civil engineering in Toronto, Canada. Thanks. Thanks for joining Sejal or Sejal. Yeah, hi. Hi. I'm Sejal Patel. And I'm not related to Sheila Patel but I'm highly inspired by work and we work closely. I'm a professor in faculty of planning and sub-university and I chair the housing program. Thank you. Happy to meet you. Georgina. Hi, I'm Georgina. I'm actually working with the IID in the digital teams and here to do some social media coverage. All right. I'll be mostly listening. That's okay. Thank you. Okay, thank you. So we have a 15 to 20 minutes to kind of elaborate on this kind of other reasons why there is value in the co-production of knowledge between various stakeholder groups, including civil society, actors, policy, think tanks, university, city governments and donors in order to support inclusive climate adaptation. So I think it would be great if we use this time to really come up with a kind of good kind of top three reasons. So maybe I can start to collect some ideas, kicking off maybe with Mark. If you're comfortable, if not, we give the floor to Professor Sejal. Yeah, sure. I'll be happy. Yeah. Would you like to? I have some thoughts. Good. Okay, then this is all about the new leaders, Mark. So let's take it off. Yeah, because I'm in university and I'm going through the curriculum and going for the few years I'm in it. There's not a lot of involvement, surprisingly enough. There's always a lot of advocacy groups in my university regarding like SDGs, but to like get really involved in like the nitty gritty, be involved with organizations. It's very local and not enough international settings that I found. And I think there's a lot of value in having students, especially where I'm from, to have that international experience. For myself that I present I went to like little stints in Africa doing research participatory research as an internship and working with other like higher education programs, and I found that a lot of students just don't realize the opportunities that is out there. Okay, but can you say something then on higher temerly? Can you say something if you say that let's say that international exposure, can you also say something about how you in your experience working locally, how you see that kind of opportunity to leverage that international experience and the kind of in the local context. For you, leveraging the local context into the international experience? Yeah, you were saying so that there should be much more of this kind of exposure to the kind of international actors, international partners. But can you clarify that a little bit in the context of your example working on your own research in Africa you mentioned? I just want to say, I why I mentioned that is because a lot of students just like I feel like a lot of organizations that want to get the youth involved. I don't see them a lot in my university or is it's not like front and center in my university I really wanted hopefully soon more organizations and universities have real direct contact and more collaboration because I feel I see less of that. And if that makes sense because for myself it's very busy as a student and finding ways to reach to the youth is really challenging. Thanks, thanks. Seja. Yes, thank you, Roger. I believe and I would take this forward from where Sheila, you know, what she mentioned that India, and I bring in a bring forth my experience as an academician and practitioner and researcher in the Indian context and working with the local communities and government in the Indian context where I see the need for the collaboration and network is mainly in, is having the community, the urban poor community and the youth of the community, bringing them at the center and making them development agents. Actually, they are the development agents in a lot of cities, and they are the ones who I think through the seminal work of SDI spark and NSDF and a lot of other NGOs. They are the ones who are, especially in the informal settlements, self enumerating and self mapping. And through this process of self enumeration and self mapping, they are generating knowledge about themselves. Now the problem is that in the process of this knowledge or production of the knowledge. Handholding is required in terms of cleaning of the data and also setting basic protocol in analyzing the data, which gives them a narrative about their own cells and about their access to basic services like water, sanitation, health, education, and you know, decent shelter. So this is where quite often, academicians work with the NGOs in building the capacities of the development agents within the poor community. And they, through this process, generate knowledge about themselves. Now this becomes a very powerful tool for the youth. And also for the community to negotiate with the state in actually influencing decision and policies in their favor. And if they are, they are the producers of this knowledge, which is what we call the horizontal knowledge which is created through this networks of NGOs and the community with the support of academia. This knowledge then becomes a tool through which the development agents and the youth make the local government or the state government, come on the negotiating table. And to a large extent the work of Sheila and Spark and NSDF and a lot of few other NGOs like SEVA and MHT as well in Ahmedabad and other cities. Through this work, they collaborate with the local government and influence decision and policies in their favor. So I think with all of this networks, the community and especially the youth of the community becomes the focus and they are the development agents and the others then network around them to build their capacities in producing the knowledge. This is one aspect. The second aspect now is where the state needs to step in. Very often, beautiful and very rigorous data has been produced by the community, but the state does not ratify the data. Because you know what the famous seeing the state, I think it is really about how does the state see the people. So sorry, when you talk about the state, you mean the national government or the state like in the Indian state. The state as in the local or the state government or the national government. Okay, good. All right, good. All right. Sorry, sorry, continue, continue. So, what does the state now have to do, I think, and we have witnessed quite a few instances where such rich data which is produced by the grassroots organizations or the community themselves are not accepted or ratified by the state. And I'll give you an example of again the slum mapping of the entire city, all the settlements and the enumeration which has been done by, you know, various organizations, mainly the Alliance of Spark and NSDF, but a few other organizations also with their help, the way the communities have generated the data the state does not recognize the data. I think the second important aspect is for the state to recognize the alternatively produced data and accept that in the future policymaking as well. Because this is here the beneficiary becomes the producer of the data and so there isn't any manipulation in the data. And this should be accepted by the state which is not happening. And I think this is one of the key innovation and the key focus which is required for the state to give the protocol that if the data, if there are data has to be accepted, what is the kind of protocol for the data, in what format is it to be generated, what level of accuracy do they expect and the entire protocol for it to be accepted. But once that protocol is met by the community irrespective of the politics around the data that should be ratified. If we have that then it becomes a first step of collaboration and partnership. And all of this I feel can be done keeping the youth, the aspirational youth of the urban poor community at the center and being ably supported and, you know, by the academia. I have one more point as well but I think I've taken enough time so maybe others would like to add I can then come back later. Thank you. Thank you. Now this is very, very clearly articulated. I mean, I was wondering if you look, if you look at the partners maybe one question before I move to Dr. Moraly is if you look if you talk about the ratifying the data. Do you think that apart from the community, an organized community group, what are other actors that can help to advance this kind of ratified data at the state side. Is it the state plus international actors, the civil society. I mean what what type of what type of arrangement is needed to kind of get this kind of ID, come to to get to work. I think one, this is where academia and the policy think tanks, which work or support the government in formulating policy and creating evidences for policies is where, you know, they can play a big role in in setting this protocol for the state that how would such horizontally generated data be accepted and what should be the protocol for it. The third aspect which is also related to using this data for policy decision and how is it to be used also but I can as I mentioned Roger I can come back to that. I see new participants. I see Dr. Moraly I see Mr. or Mrs. Anwar. I'm just listening in. All right. We should just go with me. I'm just going to see. Hi, this is me. Hi. Hello. Please introduce yourself and maybe you already have some ideas around the discussion from. Actually, I'm hearing. I'm connecting just right now. One thing I want to share that youth leadership will start from college in school and university. So our government or local and just should I mean encouraging the program and say seminar to join the youth. Okay. And engagement of youth youth in various deer community like disaster risk reduction management committee from where they can And got the idea about climate change and climate adaptation. Like this. Okay. Sorry, but me or can you introduce I just I just missed where you're from. I'm monitoring an evolution officer. Dear sister from India. All right. Oh, thank you. Mark. I have some further thoughts around this around the key reasons or the three reasons around co-production. Mark, you're muted. Yes. Yeah. I just wanted to emphasize that. When I am going through my studies, there's just just not enough like I for to connect us, the youth to these kind of organizations and to a different like And climate changes. We're just not aware. We're simply just like, we're just not aware of it, but like the different organizations or different actors involved in my experience because since I'm in my lectures and such, we just I had to dig a lot to find information about other NGOs, international organizations, and I feel like if my classmates had more information that will be more willing to engage. And I think it's super important to Thanks, baby. Before I get back to Dr. Sejal, a couple of thoughts from my side related to them. I will be discussed around the adaptation summit and about the difference what what is meant what is called the action tracks under the global commission on adaptation so I'm leading the city's action track where we bring networks, institutions, think tanks together, really looking and what kind of surprise me most still off to being for quite a bit in the development space is that there's a lot of overlapping geographies and even overlapping communities that we are engaging in as international actors think tanks in collaboration directly with the communities or through kind of local proxies. And you see a huge amount of information and data is kind of scattered among these partners and and not very well shared and and they're there I think there is some sort of a tipping point now between the actors getting a bit tired of. I think Lauren mentioned to accelerate. Well, one thing is to accelerate is to kind of share some of this knowledge products and data sets among these partners in a kind of in the context of collaboration and we're trying to set up. What it actually means in you know in operational terms to actually do that that is one thing that is around sharing data analytics and knowledge. When working in the kind of the same geography. Because if you identify the complimentary skill sets of each of the organization you don't necessarily have to be afraid about things that are going to be shared or not being kind of owned and because there's always an ownership question in every kind of relationship around the production of data and knowledge. The other thing is that what we've seen is that each of these organization local and international have different entry points to to to the authorities that you can leverage so if you can bring together somehow the opportunity of of making use of each of these entry points and especially because political terms are shifting so quickly that you really need every entry point that is available to quickly kind of make things move. So that's another point of view that I just wanted to share with you that came up in the in the discussions and the negotiations around collaboration under the city's action track. Dr Sejal. Please. Yeah, thank you Roger I think that's a very important point you raised and I couldn't agree more that there is a data fatigue. I mean, there is just so much of data and it's just being churned and returned so I could not agree more that if there is some system or mechanism through which it is standardized and it is disseminated and it is available or made available to everybody in the same sort of format I think that is a very important step and that needs to be accelerated besides of course other issues that you have also mentioned. I wanted to share one experience of local partnership, which actually happened incidentally but has now become a good example of a partnership, which culminated in a local heat action plan in the city of Andhraba. So the urban poor communities who are who live in the informal settlements. They in the city, the city of Andhraba for instance is in a agro-climatic zone which is very hot and added and it has extremely harsh summers and when majority of the families who are living in informal settlements within groups, they get very very hot summers in the dwelling units and in at least three months a lot of them used to get sunstroke or heat stroke and would not be able to report or under livelihoods. A lot of the family members, the kids would not be able to go to school and the male and the female members of the house, the heads of the house would not or would have to miss out on earning the livelihoods and because of this they fight up and missed on paying their EMI's to the local microfinance institution. When this default happened, the NGO or the microfinance institution which is actually an NGO as well working in the shelter issues, they actually through their grassroots level leaders who were again the youth, tried to get reasons for the main factors because of which this default was happening and they realized is because of the sunstroke. And so that triggered the idea of how can we with minimal cost bring in a better sort of adaptation or thermal comfort through a minimal incremental cost at the local level and this is where I think we have just two minutes as I understand. So I think this is where the NGO got in touch with the academicians and the academicians, the university gave some idea about how their basic use power houses can be changed and tweaked. They launched a new program called cool roof program for the urban poor communities and what are the basic sort of requirements or changes to be done that are fitting to be done at the shelter level to bring about thermal comfort and that has brought about a major shift. Now this is a big this ended up becoming a partnership between the community again driven by the youth leaders or the NGO and the microfinance institution, the academia and all of them together approach the local government to initiate the detection plan and a cool roof plan, under which they also gave a subsidy to the urban poor community to retrofit their houses. This is an example of what you say having this collaboration becoming kind of a real kind of change agent. I mean, yeah. Yeah, so I gave one example of knowledge produced production but this is an example of an actual intervention. Yeah, keeping the youth at the center. Thanks a lot. Last remarks from anyone here in the meeting because we need to jump off to the to the to the to the reporting. No. So thank you I'm going to quickly kind of put some of these notes together. Thanks a lot for for your contribution and a discussion and see you at the plenary in a couple of seconds. Thank you. Leave the room and it will be directed to the main room now right. Yes, I think so. Any moment I'm not sure where. Yes, you should have a selection to leave the breakout room if you don't I can ask Anna to close the breakout room. Yep. Are we all back to the main room. Yes, we should all be back now. Fantastic. Thank you very much everybody so as we get as we get back, we want to hear from you we want to partner with all of you. And based on the conversation that I've heard there's obviously a lot of enthusiasm so there's a link that's included here for the Google Doc, you can click on that. And share examples of initiatives that have supported this kind of work that we've been discussing. That'd be great. Anna, would you put that Google Doc in the chat as well so people have that I can click on that so we really want to hear from you, and we want to partner with you. Let's let's kick it off we have four different people in two groups per question I think and then we combined some groups so let's start with withdraw here. If you want to just update on your on the group that you moderated very quickly, but I know that we're running out of time so just a quick, it would be great. Quick feedback it was a very interesting discussion, of course, and too short, but a couple of things mentioned what is the value on the co production, three reasons why this value in this co production. First of all, if communities become potential actors of change development agents, based on their own enumerations on their own kind of data capacities. How can we better kind of organize that what they enumerated in a way that we can use it, either to negotiate or to bring forward so if there's a relation between opportunities to use youth and communities as a development agents, we can do it ourselves enumerate the data, but in the combination of actors you can come to protocols that are useful for negotiation. So that is I think one point made the second point the value of that collaboration is in how to work with local state and national actors to actually ratify that data to take actually into consideration for policy change in action. So in this political process in which you need universities and in which policy think tanks international actors can also have a role depending of course on the kind of the political setting, but bringing this actors together in really moving data forward in a in a in a ratified and useful data inputs to policy making. We also talked about how you can how the collaboration is necessary to bring the kind of the scattered data and knowledge pieces together between the actors there is already a lot of data there is already a lot of knowledge, also between the international community NGOs so how do you bring that together in order to accelerate action and not only the data pieces but also the political entry points. You know, political life is short so you need to move fast so you need all the leverage that you that you have. And last point is made. If you are a student the future youth leader, who is going to help you to navigate through that complexity of international actors NGOs that are actually active on the ground. I leave it with this many more to tell but for now, this is it. So thank you right here Sheila, how about you. I was going to do that. Okay, I'll do it. Do that. Yeah, thank you Sheila so we talking. That's good. So we did have a great discussion couple of key points I would like to highlight one there was a question raised on so many different initiatives on knowledge development that are going on all over the world. And perhaps as a need for some kind of common platform, which could share learnings that these initiatives have had and the reflections they have or even knowledge products that they have developed on a common platform for climate adaptation. One question that was raised the second question that was raised was, maybe there's a role for the global alliances to do some kind of guideline setting work, whereas a lot of the actual work with communities could be done by more locally based knowledge hubs. So what are those locally based knowledge hubs and how can we sustain them over for long term partnerships was a key question raised, then one other key question that was raised is, in all this work, how do we ensure that the smaller projects that are led by civil society organizations smaller community based organizations are also included and not excluded. So perhaps there was a discussion on maybe there's a mechanism for these local knowledge hubs to aggregate projects from multiple communities but smaller scale projects and jointly apply for funding from some of the global national philanthropy and other kind of funders so there could be some joint fundraising to support small initiatives as well over. Thank you. Thank you, Smith, Rosalind is Rosalind still here with us so she had to duck out. Sorry, I am still here and we just had such rich discussion I'm just struggling to summarize it. And so, you know, one point that we raised was around that co production and the value of co productions that allows us to redress the balance of who holds the knowledge and who is the expert, you might think that you might go into a project like this thinking that the knowledge is held by the researchers and the scientists and that they're the experts and that they're taking that to the community but co production provides us with an opportunity to completely invert that and to really redress that balance because actually a lot of the knowledge is held in the community and the researchers are there to can help to gather that and to get it if we get the right if we facilitate that in the right way and we get the right conditions in place to do that. And the second thing then follows on from that which is that this process is the value of the process very much in empowering communities and the marginalized groups and the value of their knowledge and and and then from that building solutions to the challenges so breaking down the barriers building common ground being humble and building trust in order to really share to bridge that gap between communities and the researchers and and then finally we had a discussion around how the value of engaging youth in technology transfer and that that can create local ownership and capacity strengthening and knowledge independence in in local places. Thanks. Thank you. So, with that we've we've heard from the groups. You know, it's true that time never is our friend that I've said this once before and I've also said repeatedly to my students at least that no dream is pursued alone. And so we look forward to hearing from you. You have a couple of email addresses here. More than staying in touch. I think we welcome an opportunity to to work together with a range of institutions from a range of different backgrounds, and it's only through this collaborative work that we can start making headway so please send either Smitha an email or send me an email you see the email addresses here, continue to join the conversation we look forward to hearing from you and seeing that we're over time. I just want to thank you all for joining this important conversation. There are so many things they could have been possibly doing at this time of the day, but to join this conversation and give us your thoughts your wisdom is is a big act of generosity. So thank you so much to everybody. And I guess with that we will say thank you. Enjoy the rest of the day. Bye everybody. Thank you everyone. Bye bye. Thank you so much everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.