 And thank you for coming out wherever you are in the world. I hope this is a good time in your world zone. Jess, we already know that's not true for you. You are part of an experiment today. This is the first time I've tried an in-world presentation. Quite like this, I'm testing a mixer audio feed into the platform to see how the quality comes through when I later play some brief audio clips. So let me know how it all sounds as we go and feel free to cheer or jeer. Your feedback will be useful and appreciated. I also want to let you know I am recording this audio. Here we go, see that sign flashing right there? We are indeed recording today. We are on the air. I will be using this for a future podcast and the video recordings. Mike, hoping out with that today while they get posted fairly quickly after one of these live sessions. So you can see the full panorama of what's going on. Today the topic is podcast and the science circle podcast in particular. The topic today is the top 10 audio clips from the best episode takeaway so far to date. We've got some of our very best science circle presenters and I'll be talking in our audio clips. If everybody's ready to go, let's get rolling. Podcasts first became a thing in 2005 and that's when Apple first allowed people to post their own MP3s for download to the iPod. I still have one of those in a drawer and that's why it's called a podcast. I didn't know that, did you know that? Now all these years later some 45 million people in the USA listened to podcasts weekly. That's 17% of the US population and 11% of the population in the UK also tunes in a podcast weekly. That's another 6 million listeners and there's much more of this data if you love these kind of numbers. You can check at sources such as Pew Research. A deservedly Apple comes in first in podcast distribution at 52% of the market with Spotify in second place at 19% and Google Play coming in far behind at just 1%. However, Google has been poked awake and Google is planning to double the amount of podcast consumption in the next two years. They're gonna be putting podcasts in their search engine and there's also a new podcast app coming out by Google. It doesn't work on iPhone unfortunately only on Android. Analysts are saying it's possible Google could well capture a third of podcast distribution over the next two years splitting the audience share with Apple and Spotify and all the other platforms looking for a piece. I'm glad to say that iTunes, Spotify and Google Play are each carrying the Science Circle podcast as are a number of other platforms as we'll see in just a moment. And as we work at the Science Circle to serve a global student body, it helps to remember that much of the world has very limited internet access and bandwidth and billions of people rely on slow feeding cell phones or their primary access to economic and health and educational resources. So podcasts are a very appropriate way to bring our programs to the world. So far we've aired more than a dozen podcasts. Here's a chart of prior guests and topics. We've got one or two of you in the room. Mike, I know you're out there. And we're gonna be listening to the top 10 podcast takeaways to date. Each regular podcast runs for about 15 minutes and that's about the top end you wanna use for best listener learning and retention. And that's what we wanna do. We wanna be educational. We wanna connect with our learners and hopefully have them remember what it is we're talking about. So we try to keep these nice 15 minute packages are shorter. And of course, all the episodes are freely available for your educational use. And here is a screen full of the platforms currently carrying the Science Circle podcast. If you grab the PDF of these slides, right there, stage right, click the sign there. It'll give you a nice PDF file and there are active links in there so you can click directly on the podcast feed at any one of these platforms. Or you can go to www.mr.us and click the podcast link at the top. It's not hard to find. Some of these platforms are not especially easy to get. It's the quality of our episodes and the guests so far, the production values, that fussy XML in my L file that you have to get just right. And that's what God has picked up so wildly. So thanks to all the podcast guests for that. We'll be hearing from them shortly. And you can find each episode posted on the Science Circle website. And a special shout out to Augustine, who I think just crashed, couldn't be with us here today. But thank you Augustine. He gives such talented and quick support getting these podcasts posted on the Science Circle pages. And of course, many, many thanks to Chantel and Jess for the many, many things that you do. Thank you for being here today. And we're also on iTunes and Google Play and Spotify and Shoutcast Streaming. We stream nonstop on Shoutcast with musical interludes if you want the Science Circle podcast running all day. And there's also tune in and a bunch of others, Cast Box overcast podcast app. And iHeartRadio, I'm still pending. It takes a while for them to review. And so far, we've got 100% pickup. Every platform we've submitted to is picked up the podcast. And we got this really wonderful synergy happening here, this combination of resources and missions. Our mission statements read like they were written by the same person, don't they? But they weren't. Here we are promoting both of us, promoting open source education worldwide for science enthusiasts and expanding accessible free learning opportunities and resources for international students and educators and different writers at different times. But with the same sentiments, perhaps it's our common Dutch heritage. Shana, I am a Dutchman. Steven Vanhoek, our two organizations, each have their own board of directors. There they are. I want to break group of faces here. Science Circle Organization founded in 2008. Ejikari Research founded in 2013. And both are recognized non-profit organizations by our respective governments in the Netherlands and the United States. On our boards, we've got a number of PhDs and digital education innovators and even a nurse and a search engine specialist as we reach out to a global online audience. And just look at what Science Circle has to offer in its 10 years of work. Scientists, educators, students, science fans and members in virtual worlds and social media in some 17 different countries ranging from Australia, Hygest, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Hungary, India, Italy, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom as well as the United States of America. That's where I am today. It's not the United Nations, but still a worldwide gathering and impressive group of people and they bring experience and topics from astrology and archeology, astrophysics, brain science, computer science, economics, education, the environment, genetics, theology, history, languages, mathematics, neuroscience, psychology, quantum physics, trans-culturalism and all the way to zoology. And that's not even half of the fields. Yes, everybody is talking about how impressive this is. Did I put astrology? Oh, I think I meant to say astronomy. Thanks for calling that out. Chantel and Jess and the founding members do have much to be proud of. Other Science Circle recently celebrated its 10th anniversary. I've been around for about seven of those. And a new Science Circle podcast was one goal for the new decade. So we partnered up and it's a good match, I think with what we each bring to the table. I just to introduce myself a little before I introduce our other guests today. I've been a professor of communications for some 20 years teaching courses at UCLA, UCSB, California Lutheran National University and elsewhere, sometimes all simultaneously. I'm one of those road running adjuncts who got a late start in academia prior to becoming an instructor. I was a professional journalist, a working journalist for a lot of years of my life, mostly in broadcast as a news anchor and a TV bureau chief in Moscow and hosting a talk net radio show for a few years. Those skills come in handy here as well as a number of other media outlets I've worked with. I can't help it. I do sound like a news anchor. I was just born that way talking and looking for a microphone, I think. And before that, I worked for economic development programs and social services. And I've been published in a number of journals with articles about fiscal and practical issues in international education and transcultural teaching and new technologies for bringing education access to precluded peoples. I've been doing that for a number of years. The links in the slide file should work. If you'd like to take a look at some of these, there's direct links there. And I've been working at educational builds in Second Life since 2007, as most of us have here in the room. I am coming back in with a new build after a couple of years off. There are lots of free learning resources and streaming media and games to play just over the hill, about 25 steps from here. It's not far and there is a sign here, stage right. Click on that. It'll give you some landmarks to a few places you won't want to take a look at. So given all that, let's go ahead and let's get to our podcast guests and let them talk for a bit. So I can take a drink of my coffee here. Our very first podcast guest was the very first Science Circle presenter exactly 10 years ago, Philip Youngblood. We talked about the past, the present, and the future of Science Circle. And he beautifully expressed the immersive experience of Science Circle in this short clip. Well, I look at some of the topics that you've done over the years here, Phil. You've mentioned some of them yourself, and it changed as you did a presentation. So I'm very curious how you combine those two top. Some of the, some of these complex issues you're still enlightening people on some of these. That's a very fascinating question because it gets to the heart of what we're talking about is that somewhat slide lecture type of thing. As I mentioned, you can bring in dynamic on field trips and canyon or ancient Abyssinian or to the bottom of the ocean. You talked about some of the visual qualities that you can bring into a presentation, but it's much more than visual, isn't it? It's actually immersive. You don't get just to look at a molecule, but you can actually mix with the molecule and shrink down and become even smaller and see the structure. Not just as an outside observer, but as is an immersive. Absolutely. You can think of it as like the Alice in Wonderland. Literally, there's islands that are sponsored by NASA and the Mars Institute of Exploratorium and the places on the one with the Exploratorium where you can ride a atom and see a Brownian motion work where you can see on one by NOAA how a glacier retreats to the global warming or advances and such and all this is in three dimensions. So you can fly and look at different objects where Darwin's Beagle and where you can go ashore and become the explorer and find things on treks and treasure hunts. It's in a totally immersive world with doyses and waterfalls and birds, which I wish everyone could be all of that. And Phil goes on to say that's the prime motivator for the Science Circle podcast to bring some of our in-world experience to those that can only access it through these podcasts. So we're gonna hear from Phil again just a little bit later as we wrap up today. And thank you for posting the comments on the audio. It's coming through on this side and it's what I'm recording right now. I'll be using is the audio feed for the podcast. I'm sorry, there's some in-world streaming issues. I heard some earlier today too. Maybe the system's just running a little clunky. That's okay. We'll do another one of these in the future. I hope, let's power through some of these other clips and see how they play. I had to practice a good number of words before interviewing Stephen Gager. He is cutting edge in molecular genetics and he put some of my Frankensteinian concerns in context with this short clip. Do you see anything really promising, really exciting right now on the horizon that you might be able to talk about? We can put in a, almost any configuration we want into almost any cell we want in almost any organism that we want. Are we on the verge of some Frankensteinian world where we're gonna be able to create basically whatever we want? No, I think we always have larger templates of what is the genome of an organism already. So I don't think in the next 50 years we're gonna do much more than really tinker on the edges with what we can do. But I think when you think about the applications of genetic engineering, a lot of times it's what need is driving it. And so when you think about at least the area of agriculture and the population density of the world and the amount of arable land we have, genetic engineering might ultimately be what's most important for humans to survive on the planet. In terms of making enough crops with nutrition with a small amount of land and changing climate or much hotter on a climate that affects us globally. You know, man, maybe be a little bit worried about what sort of genetic alterations are happening, but the need for it is to keep the human race alive. So I think in terms of, you know, maybe a little bit far out there in terms of the big scenarios, but that's one way of looking at it. And thank you, Stephen Gajer. I've been practicing his name as well. Oh, I gotta write that time, Stephen Gajer. He's dropped off another one of our early guests. He has a way of making complicated physics accessible. I see he's gonna be presenting in world again on the new pictures of the black hole. He is a galtech trained astrophysicist with much to share. And we're talking about his many science circle presentations in this podcast interview. And he gives this quick fun take on the demographics of black holes. Do you, you know, this is the challenge of teaching and presenting these complicated as an instance to simplify something complex without having it seeing the key takeaway. So obviously you do that so well. I've been looking at some of the other presentation topics, black hole demographics, what's that about? Demographics, of course, what I was doing in that talk was talking about what sorts of black holes are out there? And what do we know about them? And I started with the notion that there's actually two different things we call black holes. Only recently have we become extremely confident that the same thing. One is black holes that general relativity predicts, singularities, event horizons, all of that. And the other is dense, non-light emitting objects that we see in astronomy. We've always assumed that the latter is the former, but it could be there's other things that I mean, that our current physics necessarily doesn't have or doesn't necessarily have, I should say. That could be these dense, dark objects and they're not actually black holes, but we call them black holes. So I like to distinguish between astrophysical black holes and general relativistic black holes. But of course, recently with LIGO discovering gravitational waves in black holes, notion that these black holes really are the general relativity things. It's getting to be very strong. Demographics, we know lots of black holes that are what I call small, only 10 times the mass of the sun. That's not very big, right? We'll carry that around in our pocket. And then there's these supermassive black holes billion times the mass of the sun. Our galaxy has one that's four million times the mass of the sun at its core. But that's small for a supermassive black hole. Only very recently have there been papers claiming to discover black holes around 1,000 to 10,000, 100,000 solar mass. So that's the kind of thing I was talking about there. What's out there? How do we know what is the evidence? What are the observations that we've seen? How does this relate to general relativity? You can see in this slide picture here, Rob is a violinist. And we have several other performing musicians in the Science Circle group. I know that's true. Perhaps we could put on a show someday. Rob on the violin, Greg Perrier on the, whatever it is he plays. I think we could have a good time with that. This shouldn't be too hard to do. No lectures, just this music. Did you redo perhaps? I loved this interview with Greg Perrier. He's a retired science educator, also living here in California. I'm here in the California South Coast. Our backgrounds are so similar. It was a chance to introduce us both with nearly the same resume bullets. Both of us have connections to UCLA. And we both work for Peace Corps and Vista, which are program cousins. And we both spent several years with the US Agency for International Development. And we both lived and worked in Northern Virginia and did those awful daily drives to Washington DC at the Hall of States building there by Union Station. And we both been working for about a decade building virtual world learning. And during our ranging interview perched above the Nova campus in Second Life, he shared his practical insights on why student experience in virtual worlds is essential. Greg, you've been working in virtual world platforms with education projects for a number of years. What do you see happening in the future with this educational technique? I think it's gonna be necessary to have students get some background in virtual. I think they're gonna become part of the work environment in the future. And so I'm really excited about getting students in here. We bring about 400 students to the campus every year. We have a very good feedback from them. 25% love it, another, and find it interesting. I'm only right about 10% really hate it. You know, I'm gonna get that with almost any college project. So I think it's a great way, especially visual learners who like to interact with them. They really love coming into virtual worlds and doing things. And so we've found this to be a very great way to engage biology. Of snow days, the campus closes, the labs are not functioning, the students can come to labs in second life. And that's really made our use of this region in second life is quite a bit. Lots of interactivity in some of the students could do their visiting. Sorry, what sorts of engagement do you, what brings them something to do? Oh, we've made activities that they have to go in and interact with objects and note cards and read things. And we have a handout that tells them how to do this. Handouts are really a work of art. We had to change them over the years, make them better and student feedback on that and walks the students through the activity and at the end, there's a set of questions to be able to answer if they've done the activity. And so they come in, they do this interaction with objects like a glucose molecule like that macromolecules, protein, nucleic acids, they can go into a cell and fly around. They can go to the forest and measure ecology aspects of this forest. We have lots of different activities they can do. And so the students come in and do that, they take questions and send that to the professor. And professor never comes in after you've put the students do. And I just love this thought that we've gone from being sometimes ridiculed for our efforts in virtual worlds too. Now it's even becoming an employable skill. And you are one of the heroes paving the way, Greg. Thank you for that. I think we all are here today. We are transforming, that is for sure. And here we go. This is a fun one here. I may have failed chemistry in high school, but I never had a teacher like Michael Shaw. So glad you're here today, Mike. He's a chemist. He's a science circle board member. And he brings 3D crystals, the size of elephants to the room. You better duck. Here's a clip from Mike. And we're back, speaking with Dr. Michael Shaw, who sometimes uses whimsy to make science friendly, catalysis in Wonderland. What other tricks and appeals might you use, Mike, to help you connect with a sometimes reluctant audience so science might be more approachable? One of the wonderful things about Second Life, for example, and the virtual worlds in which we present is that they are 3D worlds. And they are multi-user. You can have a whole bunch of people in there at the same time. I always try to have crystal structures that I can just bring down. They float like, well, they look like elephants because I make them that size, but they float and rotate in front of the audience and we can delicately point out structural features that sometimes make some complicated scientific point. But once you actually see the 3D aspects in 3D as constructed by your own brain because of the goggles, you almost have to duck when your molecule is flying. And what a wonderful way to learn chemistry is that not only are the chemical mixes potentially dangerous, but the 3D visualizations as well. Be sure to duck. I forget who said it, but evidently the best demonstrations are ones in which there's a finite probability that you're dying. Thank you for making learning so much fun, Mike. You do this so well. You make it look easy to do what you do. And thank you for sharing that. Look forward to having you again in the very near future. And this here, this is a must listen to episode. That's an interview with a patent attorney and biologist Matthew Burr. He has lots of useful suggestions on how you as a creator might protect your writings and your inventions. It's not as hard as you might think. And Matt had some interesting thoughts on where the future of innovation might be leading in this clip. You've been working now as a patent attorney for more than 20 years, going on a quarter century, I believe. And have you seen patterns in inventions and patents over this time that gives you some kind of sense of where we may be heading as a people as a species? Of course, the biggest pattern in patent law has been the explosion of electronic and digital technologies. And in fact, the explosion of software in the last 20 years has resulted in modifications of the patent law, which changed the way the patent system, for example, views obvious in it when you set a patent. One of the bases that a patent can be rejected is obvious. And the explosion of software, digital technologies has forced the law to modify what it considers obvious. So electronics and digital works is a trend. I think we may be on the cusp of seeing perhaps a similar explosion in biology with the advent of gene editing. Not quite sure how that's going to play out, but I will say that I do think gene editing technologies hold either the promise or the threat of really transforming the human, I think the technology, maybe not in a few generations, but maybe in three or 400 years, who knows, will become so cheap and so widespread and so tantalizing. I mean, it'll be so hard to not want to have a designer baby that's going to be marked and athletic and tall and so forth, or who knows, or have immunity diseases. I think that's going to be so tantalizing that eventually we... Hidden treasures indeed, Sean Tell. As I talk to the guests coming in from the science circle, I am constantly amazed just what kinds of nuggets we have here in our treasure chest and it's thrilling to be able to open the lid on that and share some of our riches with the world, our scientific and educational riches. Thank you for helping make this a possibility. And here is a wonderful podcast in this excerpt from Dr. Robert Hendricks. He had an illustrious career starting as a farm boy. I love his story and he worked his way into medical school and eventually became a surgeon and medical educator and now retired, he's sharing his expertise in the science circle. He's presented on an outbreak of fatty liver disease and ways for us to make ourselves healthier around the world. And in our interview with this excerpt, he has some important tips on a proper diet and exercise. Have any unexpectedly started speaking about magic in this clip? Back to the theme of mind and body connection. Are there physical exercises we might undertake for reducing mental and also mental? In terms of physical fitness, easiest and most inexpensive thing, at least get out and take walk, especially outside where you can see plants, something that happens in the brain when you see green and blue, have this two-fold magic. Everybody has two kinds of magic that I can do. And one is the ability to change your surroundings within your boundaries, change what's right in front of you. And you can jolt yourself from one state, including from deep levels and sadness, and do a lot better by just changing what you're doing, even getting out and taking a walk. Or the other magic is the magic of words. And take something that's arcane or hard to understand and you find words for it and you start to get your mind around it and you start to pick it apart and come to understand it and then you got it contained. There's no ubiquitous unending happiness to be found. It comes like some sunny days and some are rainy as an old metaphor. But if for moment to moment, you can feel satisfied and accepting of yourself, it doesn't matter if you're a dishwasher or you're a company, if you're doing things you enjoy and you're doing the best job you can and you're dealing with your life in a positive way, you can be proud of it and you should be respected for it. Thank you, doctor. I hope to have you back soon. He also had some good advice for young people overwhelmed with stress and depression. He had some good tips on how you might deal with that. 15 minute clip, it's worth 15 minutes out of your day. Some advice from the good doctor. And here we go. This was a recent presentation by Bud Turner for Science Circle. He was targeting the issue of our digital legacy, the rights to what you create and might pass on in your social media, our virtual world builds. And he got me thinking not only about the loss to our heirs who might not be able to access and continue our works, but also the loss to society at large. What do you think is lost when these digital creations simply disappear? What's the value there? Is it artistry lost? Is there a cost to society? Well, yeah, that interesting bit of a loss. So mature now that they have circle like we like the very same reason, the virtual world. Do you see any major gaps that the law should be addressing? This is all new technology as a society. We're still trying to figure out this social media level on some of the legal aspects of passing on the rights. What are you think are some of the most critical issues that maybe legislate? Well, just that, I think people need to get in touch with their state and federal legislators. Make them aware that digital creations should be protected just like real world ones because up until now, really, all the providers have a very narrow point of view about intellectual property. And if it's been created on their servers, then it belongs to them regardless of who created how. So, you know, we lose educational art and even philosophical stuff, all of which takes a difference to our culture. And I'm sorry, we seem to be having some audio issues. It's fine on this end here, getting a good signal, feeding in. I think we've got some platform issues today. We're still working out some bugs, I know, but what we've been dealing with this for 10 years now, things do get better. It happens as Shan, it does. Sorry about that. Let's do blame on the second life. And thank you for that, Bud and Matt and your work protecting and promoting our digital rights. It's a very important cause, one that isn't going to be going away in the near future and certainly one we all have a vested interest in. Not too long ago, I gave a science circle presentation right here on this stage on the topic of transgalactic relations or what we might expect from our first encounter with an alien species. And it touched on theories of exobiology, convergent evolution, the social systems we might share in common such as specialization of labor, distribution of resources, education, defensive powers, philosophical and artistic expression. It's been posted on the podcast platform. And in this clip, I suggest the most important question is not what they might be like, but how we might respond to them. One of my students said when she travels internationally, she leaves her know-it-all face at home and instead wears a face of humility and questioning and she finds herself even more because of it. And this image is known as the blue marble. It was taken by the Apollo 17 mission in the 70s. NASA says that even today, it is the single most requested in our archives. And seen from space, our planet looks so inviting and vibrant, unified, even peaceful. It's the face we turn to the universe. So let's wear a face of humility and curiosity and we may find a new and wider welcome. That is a beautiful blue marble. You're right there, Sizzigie. I know I'm not pronouncing that anywhere close, right? And I'm really gonna be interested. I can, oh, I can hear right now some of it coming back at me. We are breaking up a bit. And that is just so sad that we get these wonderful presenters coming in and the platform quite often forts our efforts. And I think there's some ways we might do a work around on this, maybe doing a shout cast live feed into second life and bypassing some of their techniques here. Hopefully we're gonna find ways to make this continuously better. And definitely as far as the podcast goes, well, audio quality is essential. They will bounce you off their platform if you don't maintain a certain level of quality. So always trying to find ways to enhance just the basic techniques of this. And hopefully we'll also get some funding coming in so we can purchase some equipment that might help do this a little bit better. And finally, all of that. All of that was a very good lead-in to our final clip today. The audio is superb, about 97% of the time. Yeah, there's still some bugs here. We'll work that out, I'm sure we will. This is once again, an excerpt from board member and founding presenter for the Science Circle, Phil Youngblood. And he wants to work as an exobiologist for NASA. And here he is talking about the future and the mission of the Science Circle. How about taking a moment and just looking 10 years ahead, the future of education, Science Circle, if you think we're gonna be on a dead course looking at the dead, are they gonna be in sync? What Science Circle is trying to do is allowing for, what's your vision of what's to come? I'm an eternalist, I think that, coming back to one of the things you said is that science transcends boundaries, transcends ages, it transcends nationalities and such, it always has, even before virtual world and before the internet, the idea of discovery and inspiration and sharing ideas with each other has always been there, regardless of the politics, regardless of the finances, regardless of the times and such. So I see this becoming a stronger thing. We can help in some way to foster it and that's what we wanna do. In 10 years from now, I actually see kind of a indistinguishable thing between the physical and the imaginary. In other words, when you're in a classroom, everybody has glasses, the glasses help them to, is an augmented reality, help them to see what it is that's being talked about. So it's not just so people can learn in different modes, not just the person giving up and doing a lecture, it's not just the voice likely, but it's the visual where they can reach out and touch and manipulate and change and ask questions and talk to each other. I see nothing but positive ahead. We also have to watch a little bit about the divisions between rich and poor. And so that's one of the reasons, of course, we're trying to reach out to everyone, trying to have open, patient and free education so that everyone can take of what we've learned, they can learn from them, their perspective as well. And he was a wonderful guest for the inaugural episode of The Science Circle. If you're out there, Phil, thank you so much. Our podcast interview ran about 45 minutes long and you had so many good things to say. It was hard to pick out just one or two to share as an excerpt. Give it a listen, people, if you want an informative look at what The Science Circle was and is and could well be. And there are direct links to the full podcast episode. I'm gonna be sharing some of those in just a moment. Also download the PDF file of these slides, you can click on those as well. Or you can go to www.mr.us and find a copy of it there. Wrapping up today. Here's who I would like to bring on in the near future. High above it all is a diversity of guests and topics, nationalities, perspective, fields of expertise and certainly more women in science. Let's try to bring some of those in. You see, Mayim Bialik, she's a PhD graduate from UCLA where I also teach, he's a star on the Big Bang Theory, perhaps you've seen her there, her manager and her publicist. I have contacted those and they like the idea of her on our podcast. Perhaps she's, once she's wrapped up the final season of the Big Bang Theory and all her interviews are done for that. William Shatner, I know that name popped out at you. One of my former writers for an educational web zine some 15 years ago, well, he's now the publicist for William Shatner. And we've stayed in touch over the years. I believe he took this picture of Bill. You can see it there on his 88th birthday. He gets to call him Bill, I'll call him Mr. Shatner. And he is pitching a podcast interview for the Science Circle to Bill. Since we have so many Star Trek fans here and of course the more platforms we get, the more subscribers, the more viewers, the more enticing it's gonna be to bring in some of these people. And there's also Harvard trained brain surgeon, Alan Hamilton, I've read his book. He's got a new one coming out on the fascinating functions of brain and mind and how the two intertwine. He's held it in his fingers and that should make an interesting interview. And again, as we add more subscribers and platforms, the more appeal we're gonna have to potential guests. And I hope many other Science Circle members and presenters also feel more confident and comfortable appearing on the podcast as we get to know one another better. Let's bring in, we've got a stable here of expertise and speakers. We're gonna try to add that a little more. Perhaps you live in one of the Science Circle member countries, the 20 or so different countries we have here. And you have someone in your homeland with insights to share in science and education and the arts and you can help us expand the international diversity of our gas police. Send me an email right there. It's on the screen, suggestions to send. Steven at www.umr.us, especially out there, those of you in different countries. And if it's yourself, that's fine. Or if there's somebody you know that you can put me in touch with and make an introduction, that helps a lot. If it's somebody that you've already connected with, lots of time goes into producing these episodes. It may be just a 15 minute podcast, but it takes hours to put one of those together. The biggest crunch is trying to coordinate guests. So if you could put me in direct contact with somebody you think would make a good guest, I appreciate that very much. Those of you that have ever done a project like this, I got a suggestion coming in already. Thank you very much, Shiloh. You've done this before, you've worked on these. I know we've got some organizers and coordinators out there. You know what we need to do. Now let's just quickly go through the list. Durability is critical. The Science Circle podcast, we've only been online for some four months now and that's not much historic credibility yet. People wanna see you around for about a year before they start giving you that kind of credence. And that's readily one. We need a demonstrated, durable year, a consistent flow of quality podcasts and increasing numbers of platforms and subscribers. And that's how we will rise considerably in the search engines and the playlist. And that's where you gotta be getting the returns. And that just takes some time. Our subscribers are important if you are on one or more of our hosting platforms, please do subscribe to the podcast. And if you have a podcast platform suggestion, anywhere in the world, please do send it. The more platforms we get, the wider reach we achieve. It's not that hard once the podcast episodes are put together in the XML file is ready to go. It's not that hard to add a new platform to the mix. Enhancing our diversity and global outreach. Well, that's also important, especially in developing nations. That's what we're trying to do with these, isn't it? Get our word out to our parts of the world that may not reach us otherwise through these podcasts. So please do suggest any connections. 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If you go to the website, www.mr.us, it's right there at the top. Just click the podcast link. And here are my own links, ways you can contact me. And there's my email address. Feel free, drop me a note with any suggestions you might have. Thank you, Chen. I do try to make the links. I want to make it as easy as possible for you to find these things. It can be a little overwhelming. I know once you get in these platforms, the direct links are a big help. PDF files these days are so cool. The links are active. Go ahead and any of the resources posted on any of these websites, it's all free and open for educational use. Do what you can with it. Spread the word. Lots of free resources for international teachers and students to bring into their classrooms as well as the podcast interviews. Those are very good brief 15 minute lectures. The students like it brief, succinct and interesting. That's certainly what we got here. I'm gonna call this a quit then. Feel free again. Tap into any of these resources, use these resources, share these resources. We'll call that an end to this presentation. What I'd like to do now is just take a quick look around at the audience who we have here and maybe just ask a couple of quick questions as we might do something like this in the future. One of my questions is these clips, is this an interesting way to get some insights into this guest? Is it just too superficial of a look at these topics? Is two minutes too long for a clip or with 30 seconds you think be just as effective, perhaps more effective? And of course, there's the audio issues. I'll go back, I'll take a look at the recording and try to see 15 minutes is too short for a podcast interviews. That's what you're saying there, Anna-Chan. Audio clips are a great idea. Podcast history. You know, there are podcasts out there that run an hour, an hour and a half. I think one of the most useful features of these might be as a learning resource, especially for international education programs that just don't have access to the content. So if they could use some of these podcasts as learning tools and 15 minutes is about the length. It is, believe me, as an interviewer, it is hard to try to tap what it is that they have to say. And my experience, 15 minutes is about the maximum. Same thing with YouTube clips. Anything more than that, especially if they're studying in a second language. It's just too overwhelming. Studies have shown this, about 15 minutes max. Another thing is if you do the streaming files, there is a 15 minute cap on those if for no other reason, just because state of the art that's best practice, you shouldn't be running more than 15 minutes. Some of those go for two hours, you're right. 40, 15 to 45 is pretty good. And there's been a couple of times now when the material is just so good that rather than run the podcast for an hour, let's just break it into three different episodes. We did that with a good Dr. Hendrix is doing it in. Same thing with Matt Burr. They just had so many good things to say rather than trying to overwhelm or overload with the 30 minutes. Just break it into two 15 minute podcasts. That seems to work well. But thank you all for your thoughts on that. I'm looking forward. Hello there tagline. I am looking forward to thank you, Mike, as to reviewing the video, seeing where the glitches are, what we might do to fix those and then do something like this again. Do an interview and then maybe cherry pick them to make a shorter episode. Exactly, George. That's what I try to do. Takes a lot of work. Sometimes our conversations, you know, how it is talking with a professor. I wind up with an hour of audio that I'm trying to squeeze down to 15 minutes, which means that what we get is the very best of what they. Okay. Well, thank you so much for your thoughts here. Insights, please do send me an email. If you got more of them, people, we might be connecting with sharing our podcast with other platforms. We might post upon. Don't let academics have open time says Steven. Yes. Good advice. Thank you, Steven. From our very best. What I really love that Steven, you're really good at this is almost no editing required. We just talked for 15 minutes. There's my podcast. You're very good at that, Steven. And. Okay. Well, thank you so much. I'm going to get on with my day. Let you get on with your day or your evening. Get back to sleep. Just thank you for turning out and thank you once again, Mike for doing the recording on the video. I look forward to review. Hope to see you again in the near future. Thank you so much. Have a good day.