 Hello, everybody! If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer, and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Joining me, as always, is my co-host, Tom. What's up, brother? How are you doing tonight? Hello, friends. We've got some exciting stuff tonight. We're gonna talk through the rest of Broken Realms. That isn't the Lumineth. The rest of Broken Realms, Techless, I should say. Not all of Broken Realms. But we're gonna, we're gonna get into all the exciting non-Teklion elves stuff that's in the book, of which there is a good amount, and talk about what we think of it. But first, of course, the news. Rumor engine? It's 40k. Who cares? Next! I have it up nonetheless. I do not care. It's all, you know what? It's like a bomb. It's gone. It's a little walkie-talkie bomb thing, yes, and ta-da! Gone. Just like that. Okay, pre-order for Bellacord this Saturday. That's right, folks. Next book! That's right. We're just, we're, I love that we're doing the review show for this one, and this Saturday, the next one comes out, or goes on pre-order. This Saturday, Saturday, Saturday. Which means that we're gonna have all the rules this week. I mean, that's what it means, right? Because at worst the NDA will lift on it at the end of this week, and we will have all the rules of the book spoiled in one way or another from the various reviews shows. Did you see the armies list from the index that they posted, Nathan? The R? I don't know what you're talking about right now, so no. So they posted on the... Yes, okay. Hold on. Yes, I did. Yeah, so I have that image queued up. Let's go to, do you want to go to that first? Let's do that, Tom. We'll go to that. I mean, it's related. It's related to what we're talking about. The boom! Okay, so Bellacord, yes. Here is the image. I, sorry, I didn't understand what you meant at first. Sorry. You're okay. So this is everything we're going to see in the upcoming book. Tom, let me tell you why I'm disappointed that they released this. I mean, I'm happy they released this, of course. It's great. Thank you for giving us this amount of detail. Okay. The thing that makes me sad, Tom, is we were gonna play a game tonight. I had had it all planned out. I was gonna surprise you with a game which was Who Gets the Shaft? Okay. In every broken realm's book, some people get, like, you know, what we'll call a luxurious treatment. They get the, they get the premium service, right? They get the platinum package, okay? Indeed. But then there's some people who don't. They just take it like, you know. They get idolaters. Right, exactly. They get, I didn't want to call it the idolator treatment because even that's more significant than some of the stuff we're going to discuss tonight. No, it's true. Idolaters wasn't bad. They get the I-DNF treatment. Well, I-DNF is like the platinum package, right? That's all the way because you get new war scrolls. Oh, well, they got a bunch of units, yeah. They didn't have the allegiance ability. Not to spoil tonight's discussion, but I would call it the OBR-FEC treatment, right? That would be what it is. At any rate, we were gonna play that game of who's getting what. But, of course, then they sent this out and I was like, oh, never mind. Well, I guess we know who gets what. Yeah, Knight Haunt getting the platinum treatment. Knight Haunt are definitely getting the platinum treatment here because we have clearly a mix of new sub-factions. So we solved it. We did it, Tom. Clearly our show three weeks ago where we mentioned that Knight Haunt were the only army in the entire game without access to any kind of sub-factions or anything like that, that they had no of the three types of sub-faction rules. And they're gonna get two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's exciting. They're getting new war scrolls, new sub-factions, some battalions, obviously. And fire slayers getting shorted. I mean, okay. We saw that, right? Sure. I don't know that those two dudes really needed new scrolls like they were fine, I guess. Well, they weren't ever on the table anyways. I think real people used them, but that's alright. If you were cool, he used them. But no, that's fine. They're one of their 12 heroes that you can field. Sure. I'm not against it. Perfectly valid use of two pages. Okay, fine. Clearly who's getting it in this book is Disciples and Stormcast, right? Right. As well as realistically Seraphon, despite how many entries they have here. They're like, no, no. Touch them up a little bit more. What we all said was missing from Seraphon, right? Was more rules. Was bound versions of the Endless Spells. Bound. Was bound versions of the Endless Spells. That came in, whatever that, Forbidden Power, whatever the expansion was, right? I don't even remember the names of these things anymore. Clearly what they needed. More power. Yes. So great. I'm excited about them having bound shards now. Like, they won't find some way to exploit that. I'm sure it'll be five points more expensive than the regular shards. And then, but let's, Bellacor, not enough on here for him. Let me just state that, but I'm glad he's getting his legions. I don't, I want to know how close it's going to be to just a reprinting of his existing legion. So, well, that'll be interesting to see. Probably pretty close. Coradron Overlords getting unique guild triumphs, right? Yeah, I don't even know what that means. Does that mean, Tom, that we're going to see an even greater shakeup to triumphs in AOS 3.0? Uh, probably. GW probably realized not really a good idea to tie a books mechanic to something we're going to change in the next edition. Sure. Like, just triumphs go away or something, or completely different. Right, right. Yeah, it's just, or it's not, you know, like, yeah, I have so many comments. Yeah, so, so whatever, that's fine. Even if, so even if it does change, at least you'll still have your things. Uh, oh, well, thank you, Dances. See you there, buddy. I appreciate that. Uh, thank you all for being here. Uh, hey, while we're here, I thank you, don't forget to hit like as we're talking about this, or at any time in the show tonight. It's appreciated and helps more people find the live show, even while we're watching. Anyways, uh, Tom, there's something missing from this page. There is a critical item over here. You can't, I can't get my hand over on this side of the screen, but it's up in this top right area over here. You notice what's not there in the Seraphon version? Croak. Croak. That's right, buddy. It's New Croak. I gotta, I gotta zoom way ahead here to him, but that's fine. There he is. Our other news item, New Croak. Tom, scale of one to 10. How excited are you about New Croak? Uh, I mean, fairly excited. I assume that with New Croak comes new points. Exactly. I am beyond excited. I want to see them ramp New Croak, like, because they say he's more powerful than ever. Great. Fantastic. Ramp him up. Then make him like 600 points. Okay. I want to see this guy just be so expensive. Uh, Well, and he's, and he's looking pretty sprightly. Like he's looking more alive than he has in a long time. Yeah. He's got a lot more flesh on him now. Yeah. I guess, I guess he's slowly growing back. So that's nice. He's got that. Uh, one of my local guys here asked the question of like, is this what tech business did in unmaking the like, um, an unmay or, uh, I don't want to spoil actually what we're talking about tonight, uh, but just simply like did, did the, uh, the cosmic consequences regra flesh on croak. I guess he's back. Uh, so, um, the, yeah, I mean, I want to see him be, you know, stronger than he is. Sure. Why not? And then make him 600. So you want to be like a Laurel. Yeah. I think like not current Laurel. No, that would be, that would be mean. I don't want him to see him be unplayable, but I want to see him be, that's fine. Boost him up and then jump his points to like 600. Make him be a really significant part of the army. So there's this huge difference between him and a normal salon. Fine. Fine. I have no issue with that. If he's like that expensive, that's fine. Because then you have to make like a real commitment in your army, right? To have him and keep him alive and all that stuff. So there you go. Yup. Done. This is the best news I've heard. Also this model is like, stupidly awesome. I, I hope we get a who designed this one. This isn't in our news, but you mentioned Bellicor. They had a really nice article today from Darren Latham, who, you know, interview with him, because he's the one who did the new Bellicor mini. Uh, and he, Darren killed it as always. Absolutely fantastic miniature designer. Um, but like, can we have those all the time? Can we like get that kind of notation as to who designs what miniatures, especially on these really big important ones? I think that's great. I want to be able to shout out the sculptors who are doing this amazing work when they put together like their artists, they're doing art. It's great art. I would like to publicly thank them for doing such an awesome job, but normally we don't know who does it. Uh, so I just want to say thank you whoever sculpted this new croak. I think you did fantastic. And, uh, it truly like went well above and beyond what I, what I would have imagined. And, uh, yeah. So there you go. Croak is cool. Okay. But yes, anyways, new croak now back to Bellicor discussion coming out and going on pre-order so much, so much this week. Uh, so let's, let's talk through Bellicor here. And Bellicor. We got the book. We got the Bellicor model himself going on pre-order. He's 140 us. Right. Yeah. That's what we know. We also have our, our, what is this guy? Night Cruciator. Am I right there Tom? Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. And, and Gartus. Uh, who are both, you know, standard hero stuff. Uh, you know, 35 bones. They come out with this. Uh, then we've got four battalions. We've got a KO battalion. Uh, at, uh, I believe what $80. That sounds right. Uh, and I believe if it is what, um, if it follows the narrative, it's a Zylphen battalion. Sure. Yeah. We're very in Zylphen. Very much in Zylphen. Yes. Very much in Zylphen. And, uh, you know, again, if it follows the box, it is a Endron master with dirigible suit and then two units of like Sky Wardens and or Sky Air Endron rigors. Sure. Which is like really sexy. Because right now there's no battalion. That's not ships and all of KO. Okay. This will, this, like, so from a play standpoint, this could be a really big deal. This could be a good battalion is what you're saying there. This could be a really good battalion. Okay. All right. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, obviously these would both be, if you actually had two units, they'd be battle line, right? In the, if, if Homie G here is your general. If he's your general. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It could be like, it could, it could be, I don't want to say game changing, but like it, you know, everything is, it's just ships. And then whatever you supplement those ships with, this could actually do like a really heavy balloon boy list in a way that we have like two units of 12. Sure. Yeah. Then we've got the new night haunt, which has some banshees and some dread scythe Herodons. And obviously the Herodons were, we saw those on the table of contents. So we know they're getting a new scroll. We've got Lady O up top. So that's exciting. I think this was the, was this box also 80 and the zinge was 90 or this box is 90. Now this box is 90 and the zinge is 80. That's right. I wrote all these prices down and then I'm trying to, I'm trying to remember them off the top of my head because I'm not looking at my notes. But super cool. I really want to see both of these units be really viable. Okay. Yeah. Because like when I, I remember when I originally saw the dread scythe Herodons, I actually saw them when I was like, when they, because they, you know, I was with the launch of AOS two and we hadn't really seen them. And I was over at Warhammer world and I was walking around at like the event and they had the dread scythe Herodons. I was like, what the heck are these? Yeah. And it's just a shame we don't get to see them really on the table. I have two boxes of them I've been sitting on. And so it's so funny. Like I looked at this and I was like, Oh, I have like all of the banshees that I need. I have Olander and I have a box of Herodons or two boxes of Herodons. So I was like, oh, Yeah. The question becomes, are we going to have some way to make the Herodons battle line? That's going to be the question of the hour. Like, Right. If Lady O is your general does do the Herodons become battling something like that. Right. Could be. Yeah. I mean, obviously that would require changing the base, changing their base war scroll or changing the base. Like the profile because it's not currently that way. Right. So I mean, I don't know. I like, let me just say this. I don't think it's going to happen. Okay. That's fine. I know I think it would be sweet because I'd love to see an all, you know, banshee or not all, but you know, a heavy banshee army. Right. Agreed. Agreed. I don't care. You do you. I love my. I love my shrieker host, which is what that is. Like that's an all banshee battalion. But like the thing that you just can't do is like, you lose the fact that you don't have a bit like battle line. Like you just don't get it baked into any of your units. And I suspect that this is going to be very similar. Yeah. Then we've got the most expensive of the boxes at 130. Because it's just three monsters with the two stegodons and a bestilladon box. So just not all monster box. Yeah. All the big monsters, which can obviously be also skink chiefs on stegodons. So obviously build it as those. These could also be engines of the gods because I'm pretty sure that like doesn't the engine of the gods. It comes in the same box with the staggy. Yeah. Yeah. Understanding that my in my seraphon army, all of my stegodons are from like 1995 because I have all old metal stegodons. Yeah. So cool, cool beans, good, good with this combination. This is obviously going to be a battalion of some kind. Probably that like makes a skink chief or an engine of the gods a named character or something. Right. Sure. Probably a skink chief on stegodon named character and named unique character. This one is 130 US. I remember that one because it was because it stood out being so much more expensive than the rest of the of the boxes. Right. Do you know what I really felt though? What's that? Is looking at the list and the lineup and all that and what the boxes that are being released. The fact that like fire slayers don't have anything. Oh, sure. That's because you just get your two new slayers. I guess. Right. But they don't, they also don't even have like a battalion. They have nothing. Yeah. That's, I'm guessing that that's because in the story, like, I don't know this. The fact. This is one of those things that just feels like, okay. Yeah. So Grimwreck berserkers and especially doom seekers are like famously sort of independent. Mm hmm. Right. And, you know, they go out and seek after, you know, glory and slay and glory and death. Right. Exactly. And so my guess is in this narrative somewhere, there is going to be a named doom seeker or a named berserker or maybe both. Right. Right. Who kind of like get involved with one of the other order armies, but there's no fire slayer force. Yeah. Specifically mentioned. Does that make sense? Yep. Okay. Yep. Like they'll be out there swearing oaths, busting heads in the middle of a fight, right? Like they'll be doing some great sacrifice to let some order army retreat away from some perilous threat. Like, and then they'll die a glorious death. Like that's going to be what happens there. Yep. All right. And then finally our zinchi battalion, which is the burning chariot plus 10 pinkies, 10 blues and 10 brimmies. Okay. That's fine. Sure. Sure. Like, okay. This one's also 80, I believe. Yep. You get a bunch of weird bubblegum monsters. If you're into it. It's a good, it's a good deal. If you're into bubblegum monsters, all of these are about 30% savings off of box retail. At least that's if you count it in pounds. I saw the, I saw somebody did the math. They vary between like 27 and I think like 31% or something like that. So we're just going to kind of round up and call it 30%. So that's fine. Alan Thomas says, so one unit of horrors. Nope. Not even. You still got to find 10 more blues. You do not get enough because 10 pinks become 20 blues becomes, is that right? 10 pinks become 20 blues become 20. You had to find 10 blues and 10 brimmies. Yeah. That's right. There we go. I had to do that math in my head. 10 pinks becomes 20 blues becomes 20 brims. Yes. 50 ones. There we go. But yes, this is the bubblegum start collecting box. So there you go. So you got to like get this and then go buy another box that exists off the shelf of like the blues and brims because they come together in a single box, like 10 of each. And then, then you have one 220 point unit. Amazing. It's the worst army. Okay. Anyways, so, yeah, there we go. So that's all the battalions that are in there that are the battalion boxes. So cool stuff. And then we're back to froggy do. Yeah. All right. Like we just blew through a lot of that news. What else we got, Tom? It's all wrapped up in each other here. Right. Like all this is related. You know, we're getting the new Gartis and Night Haunt model dropping this weekend for 35. Yes. Which they're like, they're sexy. I love Gartis. He looks great. Hollowed Knights have been like what my paint scheme was. Yeah. He's a great guy. Can't wait to see a Gartis. You know, if you're seeing an actual named hero. Get a model for him. I am excited to see what his worst girl brings. Hopefully it'll be awesome. It should be awesome. If it's not awesome, I'm going to be sad. Because he should be like, that dude in that pose should just wreck. Right. He should wreck. give an area defensive buff around him that's like that's the kind of thing that you would not expect from that pose. I want this to show up and swing in like a wrecking ball. Right right like I want him wrecking face with his hero his hero landing yes not. Hey everybody keep going good job. Right. Yes I agree so we'll see we'll see what he is. But yeah there you go. I didn't put this in the news but it but it was requested that we mention it there is a new story out. A new short story. Actually I was going to pick of the week. That's okay well that's fine let's let's save it when we go to pick of the week we'll talk about it there. That's fine. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Do we have any other news was that everything. I mean I think that's everything. Clearly we talked about the croak model already but let me just say that like what that means is that it's it's coming. Right like it like the Seraphon their story is not up yet there's still more coming. Or he's just going to really weirdly release off cycle for like no reason probably like the witch hunters will. Because I don't know that the witch hunters will really be in. Oh Craig knows. I think I think the witch knows. No I think that they're going to be in crag knows with with croak. Okay okay. All right fair enough. I think broke is going to sense a great evil arising from the depths of the mountain. And the witch hunters will have to to mount up and do some work. I was excited that the video that revealed croak had a monologue by Marathi. Assuming they talking about how her machinations have redirected croak. Like she knows she can't kill him because he's immortal. So she's just she's going to like her machinations have redirected his his efforts attention and power elsewhere. Right. It's also funny that Marathi gave the strategy on how to beat her. Her in a game of Age of Sigmar. How do you beat Marathi redirect her towards other things. Right. Yeah get her tied down in nonsense that it doesn't matter if she's fighting. Yes. I was like that's hilarious that like that. She knows that tactic. Well yes that that she's literally describing the method you would use to beat her in a game. Yes. So yeah there you go. All right. Cool. So the question is so here's the question. Right. Yes. How many broken realms books are they going to be. Four. Well four before AOS three. Yep. I would agree with that. Cragnos will be the last than AOS three. And then I you know they could do another one afterward. Like there's no reason they couldn't. I don't know that they will or won't. But I would say that AOS three will kick off whatever the new story is. Right. Like broken realms will just in the way that AOS two kicked off the soul wars. Yep. Yep. Well remember we have malign importance. Yeah. Sure. That led into soul workers. And so basically I think it will lead into something. Whatever this is. Yep. The new addition. Yeah. I which like and I'm saying the new addition will have an underlying theme change. Right. It'll be the we had the you know realm gate wars. Well and we and we'll have the and a Lario hints at that. Sure. And well I think we'll talk about that tonight when we talk about this book right and the story that unfolds in Teclas. Yeah. Is that like there's a wonderful sidebar between exchange between Teclas and a Lario. Yes. And I think that that is pointing towards the future. And I think the sea change that we are going to experience is going to be very green. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. We'll get into it. We'll get into it because there's going to be a lot of speculation of what do we think the narrative portends right because there's I think that this this story which don't worry any spoiler talk will be sections to the end of the show and we will very clearly announce when we're going to get there. So do not worry. We're not just going to randomly spoil things. But the I think that the main implications are actually in a lot of the sides is what I'll say. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. OK. Cool. Well then Tom let's jump to let's let's keep it moving then so we can get into this hot broken realms action and let's get to some pick of the week. So your pick was the short story. My pick of the week is the short story. Yeah. It depicts a wonderful moment in the middle of the book where I talked about. Yeah. When it's not to be clear. It's not a story that happens in the book. It's clearly like a you meet this character in broken realms checklist and then they kind of disappear from the story as the main story continues on. And then this picks up with their thread as the rest of the checklist is progressing. Yes. Because like narratively there's a very unlikely kind of connection slash alliance between races that may not normally overlap. Sure. And just kind of details how that connection happens. Sure. Yep. Absolutely. So yes it's a it's a short story that features and this isn't a spoiler anyway. There is a Coradron overlords Admiral. Name. What's your name. And we'll talk about her tonight. Something. Can I remember her name. She's cool. And there's a basically her drinking in a bar as we when you get in the story we'll talk about happens to her but then she gets into some trouble and ends up meeting up in this short story with the the twins. OK. The Elephorn. Yes exactly. Who were great. They're great fun in there. I have to say they they have exactly the personality in this little short story that I thought they would have like they feel very quippy superhero. Right. Yes. Like and super dismissive like super elfie. Well sure. But I mean they're not jerks or anything right. But I mean they're they're honestly they're more like they're falcon in the winter soldiery. Right. Like they're just quippy with each other. Sure. Sure. And so that you kind of get their introduction and what they're they're on about. And it's a I mean as we'll talk about this poor Admiral. Good night. She just goes from one loss to another. Yeah it's really rough time. But yeah it's a good fun short story. And I think that the twins I hope they use them a lot. Like rules wise as we talked about last week they're really interesting. I don't know whether they think they're good or bad. I don't have an answer to that question. I think they're fine. Yeah. I think they're fine. I don't think that they're necessarily good. I don't know. I literally can't make that call because maybe they're good in other lists as an ally and we'll see them a lot. Maybe we won't. Oh yeah. You know I don't know. Like they're just so weird. Right. Like rules wise they're the twins and Luminoth realm lords. Say their names again Tom. Eleanor and Eliana. Thank you. Let's say yes. They're just such a weird roll scroll but narratively they have so much potential. Right. To be utilized in lots of interesting ways to show up all over the place in cool stories and just kind of pop in and pop out because they're you know they're just like the teleporting twins who have like a lot of power and magic and can just like pop in and do stuff and be interesting. Well like teleporting is kind of their thing. Yeah. Yeah. So they just get around the realms very easily. Right. And they can show up have some could be fun. Maybe save the day then teleport away maybe against their will or not. And they're like peace out. We got business elsewhere. Yeah. So I think that's cool. It's it's Elania and Eleanor. Yeah. You were right. You said it right. Yeah. So yes I'm I think they're cool. I hope we get a lot of stories with them. I hope we get like maybe some Black Library stuff or some more fiction that features them. I think just this little short story made me excited to like see more of them in action. I think they'd be fun. I like duos. I like team ups. You know what I mean. It's that's always the it's it's Fawthorne the Grey Mouser. It's Felix and Gotrek. Right. Like when you got two characters who can bounce off each other in an interesting way you get a compelling story. So there you go. I I just need to find the right cloak for her. Well there you go. Okay. All right. Fair enough. I want to do the conversion. Like I want to I want to use the models but she needs a cloak like the body the tracksuit isn't it doing it for me. And so if she just had like a flourishy cloak behind I think that would totally change the the like. Yeah. You could use some nice movement. You know you could always just you know I just sculpt a cloak Tom that's not that hard to do. Yeah it is. No I mean like I actually like Archeon's cloak is I think the magic one. Like that's the one that I think would because it has like the swoop. Yeah yeah like the movement and where she's already coming down like she's like landing. Yeah. And so I think that that's the cloak. Locating one is the other issue. Sure. All right. For my pick of the week I'm going to direct everybody to our buddy Rob the honest war gamer and his coverage of the Grand Hammer GT. Specifically I want to direct everybody your choice to either game two or game three. They're streamed TTS games. They were a lot of fun. I watched through all three when they were when they put them up. I really liked them there. And the reason that this was so fun Tom is because we got to follow an army throughout the GT. So they did this in a little different way and the army we were following was an Ogre Maw Tribes army featuring like 18 or 21 Yetis. I don't remember a lot. A lot of Yetis. Sure. All the Yetis. A firebelly a Frost Lord on Stonehorn and a Husqard on Thunder Tusk. Okay. Ran by Iron Gutsman Stewart and he got to the end. He gets to the finals. It's him against a dock list to win it all. Okay. With this Yeti. It's a draw story. And it's so it's such an example of like where good being a great player matters. You know as more than the list. Right. Yeah. Because like on paper that list is trash. Okay. Sure. Sure. I have no way of trying to be mean to Stewart. It's just like you look I'm saying if you looked at that list you would be like there's no bodies here to hold objectives. These Yetis are on like a six up save. Okay. And you know they're not that fast. The Husqard is like the worst version of that thing. The Husqard on Thunder Tusk is like the worst version of that thing. You have one good like firebelly whoever uses those. What does that even do. Right. And you've got one good piece. In the in the frost or on stone that would be the sort of smooth brain take. Right. And look admittedly I looked at this list because Jack from re-rolling ones played this list months ago. Okay. And I looked at that and was talking to Mark for really once but I was like oh you got this man. Look here's what you got to do. Here's how you take this as the part blah blah blah blah. Right. It did not go that direction. Mark did not win. But spoiler for a three month old re-rolling ones battle report. But at any rate like it's got this really cagey game. But it also shows what weird trick she's got all the Yetis can pile in from six inches so they can all effectively run and charge and retreat in charge which by the way please close that loophole in AOS three. I'm sick of that loophole. I don't like six inch pile ins just meaning that like now you can run in charge and retreat in charge you just get like a super version of the rule because of a six inch pile in it's a dumb rules loophole it shouldn't exist fix it. But for now it does work and you know what would be great is if you only get to do a six inch pile in if you charge that turn. Sure yeah like there's that's a simple elegant fix right just just fix this stupid loophole at any rate. It's a great series of games okay and if you want to see like just a really great player using pieces to the absolute height of what they can do it's like Stuart was fantastic I loved watching and play it was amazing like you're gonna watch game two 30 minutes into the game Rob and Owen are like this game's over the ogres lost because it's against Archeon who like pull some janky pile in maneuvers and off a six inch corn pile in and just like starts wiping yetis okay hour and a half later it was the ogres game okay I'm just saying so anyways check it out it was a lot of fun yeah there you go and it's just I mean it's it's it just shows what a great player can do with the list and like how if you really know how to use your pieces and use them best ability you can take lists all the way so you know be good okay cool get good there's a there's a glimpse of our show for next week all right let's talk about some hobby time Tom what are you been working on man man I got to get these uh these KO ready yeah there's hot new battalions and stuff ready to do some work uh yes you do how much how much KO do you have still to do I mean like I'm into the like the luxury stuff now like I can take what I have and be fine but like yes I can take thunderers or I can finish my custom built bugman squad sure yes I can take my frigate or I can take my uh frigate diorama run run rum runner bugman squad sure you know uh real quick hold on Sebastian I'll link the videos down below everything will be linked in the show description there Sebastian sorry about that go go ahead Tom yes you want to finish your special cool models yeah I get it yeah like I yeah like I want to have my fun toys for for NashCon and so I've been working on that um the uh and I'm trying to get done because another magic set drops on Friday sure so yeah which is gonna mean you don't work at any hobby progress done for weeks while you're opening boxes and stuff uh Alan Thomas says meeting Tom will make more hex rates this week I don't think so because you already have a ton of hex rates I don't know how many you have 20 yeah like I have 20 hex rates 15 painted like 15 fully done uh 20 totally built converted and built um oh I mean what I will say is this uh hex rates are gonna be pretty sexy sounds like you need to move 30 jump uh yeah I mean I think like I don't know like though I think the plan is once I get the KO done I'll transition and begin work on Lumenath I think I think that's probably the trajectory that I'm on okay fair enough uh by the way ages Sigmar list lab is in the chat and I want to give a shout out to that as well it wasn't my pick of the week but it could be I've enjoyed all three episodes Smorgen is over there killing it in the list lab breaking stuff down his part one of Lumenath he has a four episode arc of like Lumenath roadmap plan it's fantastic I'm gonna link that channel down there too uh so uh list lab is freaking great I've loved it so far uh and I and the slanesh episode it you drew me in you drew me in emotionally in such a great way Smorgen so well done well done uh so anyways I'll link that down there too because it was it's absolutely fantastic if you haven't already checked it out and subbed you should be it's fantastic okay uh what happened with hex rates hex rates are just they're gonna end up being in because the emerald host is going to be in the next thing and we know that's a hex rate focused thing whether it's the actual because it was on the table of contents so we know in bellicor we're getting some hex rate focused action uh okay cool beans uh for my hobby time Tom I'm working on all these idiots uh here's one of the guys and here's the lady and here's the little whippy guy right and then I've got one of the little uh looks like a whole bunch of models you're never gonna play uh glutos is is I did take glutos out for a spin this weekend he was real good uh I did like him quite a bit but yes you're right uh I'm I'm convincing myself I'm trying to hide the fact that I don't enjoy playing slanesh any more Tom for myself because it's just not a very fun army to play anymore we had this conversation yeah yeah like this is I'm telling you you are painting a display army right now yeah like I'm never going to take this army to another tournament that's number one okay because I've already taken it to all the tournaments and so I never take an army to twice right that's one two I don't enjoy playing this army right now because it's not very fun it's not in any style I could do it's very hard to build lists everything's over-costed and even when you do play on the table it's like you have to rely on weird janky nonsense to win and I don't enjoy it what it incentivizes is play that like non-intuitive just and it's just stuff I don't enjoy yes right and they broke my beautiful baby the thing I loved most in the world which was a keeper of secrets like it's she's beautiful I've always loved her when they made the new fig I was right there I mean I own six of them for God's sakes right uh so like you broke the thing I love the most in the army so that really hurt uh to take the thing that like I didn't I'm not asking for the old book back I don't want that either everybody knows I hated that old book right uh but at any rate it makes me sad so I have to trick myself into not being aware of that so I finished this giant stupid model that has that this one model is seven figs to paint okay right uh I am happy with my conversion though mine's gonna be a little sexier version but anyways and then I'll put it on the shelf and not play it right uh that's what I said it's a display army and that's okay too it sits over it sits right there that's where it's home is and that's where we'll remain I uh I have my bead actually on an Archeon that a friend is getting me and I suspect that that's going to be another display army for me I mean Archeon's a lot of fun to get out let me say that he's very playable like I'm not dismissing but I just like looking at his play style like I'm not in general like an eggs in one basket type of player like I like a lot of like forced diffusion like when I build I'm normally pretty spread out like I normally have three centers of powers kind of how I build around and so and so it's just really you can't do that with him like that's not how you build Archeon no no I understand yeah he's he's good when you make him super good and you just and everybody is just you know focuses all their power into him and then sends him forward to Miley Cyrus style yes all right so at any rate that's my hobby time once that's done the slanesh will be basically finished and then I can move on with my life and made other things I'll probably turn to doing and at some point not immediately I might paint a couple of display things but I'll turn to doing an FEC army in 24 hours that'd be a good way to cleanse my palette so there we go it'll be fun like totally you know I and I have a cursed city in the mail right now as well so I'm gonna have to come to terms with the fact that I need to build in prime all of that just so I can play with it sure like you know even if like it doesn't like because our family like loves playing the game I need to at bare minimum get everybody built everybody based and then like zenith all everything and like we can play with it zenith all I mean I've played with crystal tower mostly zenith all for the last five years so eight six years yeah yeah I mean I'm just gonna do an FEC army and all it'll be a fun way I'm gonna experiment with some new it'll be another painting an army in 24 hours video but I'll use completely different tactics than what I did last time and it'll be time to smash bat it up and that's gonna be like who doesn't love a good smash batting that's an army I can get behind let's do this that's that's right in my style mech a t-rex I have zero spanish they just sigma our daughters of cane any good yes they are very very good right now as I just said very good yeah they are perhaps too good right now so just be aware that that might they might get knocked back into place over the course of this year as well they should be okay at any rate Tom are you ready to talk about broken realms techless sure let's not lumeneth addition let's talk about the uh the moon king yeah I did all right the boom that's right the it's presentation time the moon king I get it I get it it's a it's a cow because he's a cow you're a cow sorry yeah it's fine okay so uh yeah let's talk about broken realms techless non lumeneth addition okay yes and so like let's let's cover for our listeners what that means as to what we're gonna talk about 100% you want to start you go ahead okay so I have the book overview page up here my summary would be this is some iniquitously distributed updates for armies right we have just basically splits into what I would call two and two we have alcohol be I tried to make this like not uh judgy so I'll simply say it as larger updates are nergal and cities and small updates obr and fec fair enough yeah I think it's accurate yeah okay all right uh and I think the reason and even the people in this book that got larger updates they're not super big right like because like nergal was decent cities is fine it's not as big as what we saw right in in in in marathi and I think there's one reason for that and it's this Dippy dip right here right because we had to take up so much of this book on lumeneth part two and yeah techless right and and all of his nonsensory that there just wasn't a lot of room left to put in anything else right right right like I hope they never do this again agreed agreed please don't this was bad like the lumeneth book release thing like I just like it gave me flash flashbacks of stormcast extremists like it's just it's just bad design like or not designed it's just bad like product management um and it leaves like a really bad feel bad for the audience um I'll give you an easy example you're ready for this time I can make this super real sure so we played a I had club came over last week and we did this weekend we got a good good game on got a good 2v2 the teams game uh and you know one of my buddies one of the members of our group is into lumeneth big time went out and picked up a lore seeker he just he looked at it and he's like it seems pretty good like this is a friend of mine for you know the 25 years this looks like a sweet model who's never watched this show once right and and he looked at it and he was like yeah it is normal fashion of being able to just intuit good rules right yes he's like this model looks great he flipped through he looked at the lore seeker was like that looks cool I'll buy this one and I was like well you made a hot pick okay so he picked up that and like the the um the lord regent and stuff like that right and he bought the new lumeneth book because he's into lumeneth he's currently painting his army and he's making good progress like shout out to him he's doing great work every week he's getting paint on models for the first time since 1996 not a joke not an exaggeration a 100 true statement okay at any rate is Kev you don't watch this but I'm so proud of you 25 years right uh anyways so he's but now he's painting again uh painting with his his his kids at any rate um he went out and bought the new lumeneth book and I was like oh did you you know I was like did anybody pick up techlist and he's like well why would I pick up techlist and I was like well you could have got all the new rules in that book and then you still you know like whatever and he's like and I was like you would have had your new rules and other stuff but even you wouldn't have got like the painting guy in the the lumeneth story he's like oh I didn't know that would have just got that why did I get that because he plays cities as well his other army is cities okay for and for obvious reasons there's real value in techlist and he was like wait what he had no idea but but but the but the book he did pick up has the better cover sure sure and he was just like okay cool and you know I said don't worry I mean I've got the book coming and you know like multiple of us in the group had ordered the book right so it's like the fact that he bought the lumeneth book is not going to stop him like three of us in this group will have the book we can happily lend him a coffee right but like jeezal Pete's you know it was just such a like kick you know yeah so yes I agree never do this again no matter how many Facebook posts you make and stuff like that like you're just going to get people confused so please don't do this nonsense just release an army don't half put out an army and then half put out the rest of the army and then unless you're gonna just redo the whole battle tone like two years later and you're sure fine and you're not fooling us like when the first book came out we specifically said this is half of a book there are references to units in the first book that didn't exist in the first book there are rules that didn't apply to any of the heroes in that book right like we knew you had designed all of it it was done and you only gave us half of them right we felt that and then the whole book split between techless and like releasing a new battle tone just obviously just bad form dirty pool okay anyway so we're not we're not here to cover lumeneth that I think is the challenge and it just that that's why you get so little other stuff in this book but there is some good stuff in this book for sure like I said in equitably distributed but look there's two things I quite like in this book like two of the armies that got updates I'm pretty I'm pretty hype on okay so let's get into those uh first we're gonna start we're gonna go in reverse order here tom okay good so we're gonna start with fec and obr because these nothing burgers will just be like what they will just pop these sliders and move on okay all right so fec and obr yep I didn't even need multiple slides for this tom that I could I could summarize all of this on one slide this is a single slide thing okay yep uh so you get one new battalion for each faction your flesh eater courts battalion is one arch region one cryptor's unit one crypt cool is unit it's in hollow more uh your arch region becomes a unique named character units within 12 inches of the arch region are immune to battle shock and once per battle you can use ravenous crusaders without a cp being spent okay it's fine okay I like I like the immune to battle shock in in hollow more yeah here's what I'll say I actually don't hate this battalion like the this is morta bellies helcourt is the name of it right right right and I actually like am a kind of half tempted to to put this into a smash bat list to run a royal mordens with this as the other battalion okay right and then like pump up a big you instead of running like two or men royal mordens this would be the other one because it would suck up the arch region into the battalion and then I'd max out like the ghoul and a big cryptor unit right um or I don't want to do a big ghoul unit no I don't hate it either and like it pulls in your characters into a battalion you will hate it because you're gonna have to paint like 60 ghouls now man but I'm super fine with paying tons of ghouls I really am are you okay yeah I'm sick you're gonna see why when I already know I've already been working on the tactics and you're gonna see why I'm okay with paying this many ghouls sure yeah I understand it's like air brush wash airbrush airbrush done like I get her you'll you'll see I see I understand um but I like and then that's fair uh I just know you hate like painting mass infantry like that's a that gets in your problem it normally does but for stuff like this this is my favorite kind of mass infantry thing sure right like heavy brush yeah yeah because it's all just like very simple forms one basically you know one sort of uh let me say texture over the whole the whole model anyways so I'm gonna try it it's in hollowmore anyways where I want to be I'm I'm okay on it it's fine it's a good it's a good option I think it'd be cool yeah neat you get a max size and actually like that by the way then just the spammy smash bat as it currently is sure like the spammy just everything smash bat like I like having the diversity of what it gives you yep so I think it's strong yeah so I'm actually kind of positive on this single battalion we got by the way this battalion's only a hundred points I didn't put the points on here I apologize but it's a hundred points so okay cool beans um and by the way I don't care if the arch regent becomes a unique name character I didn't need to give him a magic item anyway so because he's in in smash bat there's only one there's only one creature getting artifacts and it ain't the arch regent um okay uh the other one is the assi arc bone reaper's battalion which is one leech cavalos and two deathwriter units it's locked to stalliock stalli arc lords below the cavalos himself becomes a name character uh when a unit from the battalion uses rally back uh command ability on a four plus you get an rdp if the league is your general he has to has that he has to have the twist challenge command rate and the league must be given the artifact from the sub faction so which is really weird if it is a unique named character that he's forced to then like even though he's the these battalions seem to be sort of breaking those rules right right because it's saying like yes he's unique and named but under this condition he has to have this command rate and this artifact okay all right it's fine I don't hate that weird rule break I mean the specific beats general right so it works like yeah like but like what I will say is this they actually even though they require that they make no allowance to say that you this unique character can have an item right and so the way that it reads is he must have it but then but but he's not allowed to have it like in every other instance like when unique characters are forced to take command traits they don't they don't get anything out of that command trait right like if you're they're your general and so what this seems to be saying is is he gets the item but he doesn't get to use it right like it if if the ruling is the same for the command traits as it is for these items and so I just wish there was more clarity around that just a single sentence would have clarified what the intent was sure if they had put in like this is a great example where they could have put in they do this they do this a lot by the way in this book so a sidebar yeah they could have put in a little designer note sidebar that's like normally named characters like they're just really neat it would have been a good time to explain it because people might not remember that rule right they could have said like normally named unique characters cannot carry artifacts or have command traits in this case though you may like your named character may haven't used the artifact and command trait that is forced to take from this battalion there you go done right like again just you know put in the note it's not hard guys if you're gonna if you're gonna deviate so strongly from a rule like that that like that's where designer notes are useful yeah yeah so in strong in strong exceptions yes absolutely you know if there's some really weird exception that they that that they should think ahead like what kills me is they did this with the war clan's book way back right they figured out because they had multiple things that were on sixes causing two hits right and they knew that was going to be weird and people weren't going to understand how it works and so they said hey you know side note here folks if you get multiples of these abilities where six has become double taps then it becomes a double or a triple tap or you know quadruple tap or whatever happens right it becomes a number of hits equal to the number of times they've received this bonus great answered all our questions right there no FAQ necessary two sentences and we solved up a problem in advance and everybody understood how the ability works right I just wish they would ask themselves that question more of like what is the user going to think well and what I'll say is like hopefully like this is what the new development lead will do 100% this is this is the kind of stuff I want them thinking right new development person needs to be thinking like that they need to be always thinking from the user perspective right look like where is the user going to run into challenges have questions that kind of stuff yeah I agree completely and like it would be a great task to assign play testers as well because like you want outside like outside readers are going to be the ones experiencing this sure sure and so tasking them with with processing through some of that like not what is the intent but what does it actually say yep absolutely uh so this is Horex Dreadlands by the way it's 120 points it's like probably not great it's there you go like this isn't where you want to be living with OBR but okay nope uh all right and OBR and FEC done uh boy that was a that was a super easy halfway done yeah shows at an hour man we're out of an hour and a half we're almost out back to our normal time from five years ago uh yeah I mean like it's it's crazy that we can we can go that quick through those two but maybe it's because they didn't have real updates okay you remember when our shows used to only be an hour I do Tom when we started six years ago yes when we when we had to stick to like a tight hour schedule crazy times all right so now let's talk about cities of sigmar okay so cities gets a new city in the realm of heish that I think has some interesting potential uh so the new city is settlers gain which featured in both a short story in the broken realms fiction as well as obviously features uh very heavily in the narrative uh in a sort of interesting way which we'll get to in a little while uh anyways settlers gain is cool it uses the full normal city rules it is locked realm locked to heish of course because it's in heish that's where the city is um you get a bonus artifact for a free guild hero or collegiate arcane hero uh one in four units maybe lrl in addition to the normal one in four storm cast and you know all other normal things right yep and then your command ability is an lrl hero can make a free guild or collegiate arcane unit immune to battle shock uh they make it in an area around them I shouldn't say it shouldn't be a single one they make free guild and collegiate arcane units around them immune to battle shock uh and there is a new battalion that comes with this called the zintil war magi battalion uh as well as by the way command rates artifacts that whole thing and spells uh the the battalion is one battle mage one luminarck of heish one celestial hurricane with battle mage uh the battle mage becomes a named unique character so the dude on foot and uh you get to re-roll the d3 damage from the luminarck and the luminarck negates wounds on a five plus so make sure luminarck into a heck of a dpr broadcasting around it so pretty pretty cool pretty cool stuff uh I mean like I like it do I gotta say I quite like both of these um the like we don't have any we don't have any luminar we don't have any luminaeth as allies yet in an army sure uh I think that's true I don't know like no one can take luminaeth I guess storm cast can technically take luminaeth um and so I like the idea of bringing eliana and alathor in not as allies okay and then just of your one and four yes or yeah yeah and I'd have to reread it to see how that that interfaces with this because you may be able to cheat them in as a not one and four um I'd have to anyways you but you may want them as one of four pieces the keyword anyways um but then to also bring in a sword like their their paired sword master unit like I'm really big and I've said this before on the like them paired with a sword master um and so a blade lord and so I think that like they could be that could be a really interesting pairing in a city like supported by other city units uh so yeah I mean this is like this is a super interesting city this has got to be the most interesting new city we've gotten so far right yes by far by far because it retains its normal rules so you can still do all of the nonsense around and the spells always counting in realm you can have adjutants you can have bodyguard units right and those things can all be those things should all be firing on lrl characters and and and the twins themselves act like an adjutant uh granting command points to your general oh sure yeah yeah yeah yeah I thought you were saying so like you can turn on the adjutants because they have too many wounds right but yes you could have both right right so you could have like a general an adjutant and the twins and just turn on like flip the switch on command points yes yes absolutely and yeah I mean it could it yes absolutely um the fact that I mean there's so many wacky things you can do like this is a sort of johnny list builder kind of dream uh army here because like let's just let's just trot through some basic list here tom let's just talk about some some basic stuff around settlers game so you can have a full half of your army by count of units could be a lot more by points right being either lrl or stormcast right yep yep um as you mentioned I think you can actually take you could have the twins come in as an ally I think as an addition on top of the one and four I don't I think that's true yeah I would need to look at it yeah I'm pretty sure that's true uh when you bring in the lrl units they gain the city's keyword the city's sigmar keyword okay um basically they gain cities of sigmar and settlers gain keywords which is great yep so like let's just run through let's just run through the smooth brain option tackless throw him in here he's in the city now okay he's in here and so that's fine and that means he now has his endless spells are now going to be city's wizard endless spells so his spell portal has unlimited range right so I'll backboard him and then he'll spell portal way over the other side of the board and he'll do is oh we're back to like Nagash we're at pre uh like uh we're at uh week one of AOS to Nagash just crazy range just I'm throwing out yeah I'm throwing out my tech nato from just like the other side of the board like I'm over here I'm portaling over here and then tech natoing through it right yep yep um how about this how about the hurricane silliness with sentinels yeah that's absolutely sure yeah so I was gonna take if you the the so with the zental war magi battalion let's talk about bringing this thing in right sure so if you've got that battalion in here the relevant parts for those who might not be as familiar is the celestial hurricane with battle mage he has it's I mean it's a fantastic unit great unit yeah uh and gives a big aura of plus one to hit okay yep and the luben arc uh gives a big aura of uh six up feel no pain or after save yep say whatever you want to say which becomes five up in the battalion obviously right now normally those two things only work on uh cities units they like they're both key to cities of sigmar units right but elves are cities of sigmar units so right how about a unit of 30 wardens in shining company with the lumen arc backing them up they're not they're not going to get shining company oh you're right that is a you're right they that is a lumen I suppose we're going to try let's just take 30 wardens put them in here and give them the back up of a five up seems pretty good I mean yeah yes and they can still cast their power of high just as a war scroll spell on them yes so they can still more of wound on a five up yes correct they get choppy and have a five up after save sexy now they don't get their pennies obviously because their pennies is a is a function of the of lumen but I'll take a five up after save and plus one I'll take a plus one to hit near the hurricane deal yeah deal exactly like yep making that trade all day oh oh and I can also have my night of zeros in the army for re-roll ones to hit sure because we're absolutely because remember you can still do one and four star cast so you can have the zeros out front right who's giving them re-roll ones to hit they're just like plus one to hit re-roll ones to hit just go and choppy it's just all the way down yeah man there's like there's so many good uh so many good options there uh as a as a really interesting hammer unit if you especially when you start playing around with this into war magi battalion now to be fair okay uh a couple of interesting limitations on here that we need to talk about and be aware of when we're when we're talking about settlers gain one the settlers gain artifacts which there are some good artifacts in here like there's the silver plated wand you can just cast one extra spell um you can just spell that yeah please sure absolutely I mean like there's stuff okay it's fine there's um there's the heartstone if you if you're the gambling type there's a there's a there is a cohort of people who read the heart stone and go this this is what i'm in for right where like if you're if your model is slain you roll a die and on a four up they come back with one wounded any extra damage they suffer is negated right for the rest of that uh attack like there's people who love stuff like that so anyways I always like it when they include things like that because there's a group of people who really live for those moments it's not the competitive option but that's like a built-in fun artifact right right anyways uh it's the gambler's option you know this is a chuck item absolutely yes this is craith if you loved craith then you'll love the heartstone that's right um but at any rate the the trick with these six artifacts is they are settlers gain collegiate arcane heroes only so meaning you cannot use any of these artifacts for like a lot of your heroes like your lore seeker well sure like like any of your lumenath people you have storm cast people you have you bring in or frankly any of the non collegiate arcane heroes you may have in the list right like just a free guild general or something or a dwarven rune lord or whatever I don't know can I can I point out that a 40 block of sentinels now can bridge with the extended power bridge well they could have teclas powering that bridge as long as you got at least eight units teclas brought his archers he's ready to he's ready to throw down the sun roll out that's right that's doable a lot of points but sure uh i mean it can be it can be done uh the other thing i will get a bunch of chaff sure the other thing i will point out is that the settlers gain spell lore of which there are three spells and i will say they are all black blaster they're fine like they're fine yeah they're fine okay um they i like it i like the flavor of the drain magic like it's not good yeah you gotta be really close that's the problem with it right in an in an army but like but that but that range is eminently increaseable like there are things that increase range in this game sure sure uh the problem is uh it's it's i don't yeah i don't know yeah it's fine yes you can you imagine you could spell portal out of it that is sure can you imagine having that stuff by the way and then having like a lord salson on on start rake yeah sure the the challenge is these spells are only for collegiate arcane wizards sure oh yeah right which is everything in the zental war magi battalion like to be clear that's like the battle mage and the it's just your elves aren't getting bonus spells it's again exactly yep uh the zynthesis so however you say that war magi battalion is 140 points pretty uh this this tech let's say on his war scroll he gets all elf spells i have or is that in the is it in the allegiance i forget i'm gonna have to check that it's probably it just don't make sure i i i don't even want to think about my brain and how that would work that's going to break my brain tom um but yeah i think there's just so much crossover potential here like i love settlers gain for the same reason i love tempest i right sure these armies where you can take like one and four storm cast and one and four ko which is tempest i right or this one where you've got one and four lrl and one and four storm cast you can just do such interesting things with your list building your range of potential models right of what you can use in the army you can build just becomes like bonkers uh yep so yes uh i i truly truly liked settlers gain a lot uh this made me honestly think like should i pick up a couple luminous units just like use them in my city's army like i can do that we're moving guys we wonder is the right answer for havoc to instead go cities and not go pure luminous sure and like use and use like old elves for the use like the old high elves for the city's conversions and then use like the new models for the luminous why look i mean here's just your fun thing uh let's say what you wanted to use was um phoenix guard and techless now you can like there you go right there's it there's a very simple like there's nothing special about that list but like you can do that now so that's that is a real thing and uh by the way for the record uh those uh phoenix guard would still get the aura of selenar to shake spells on a four plus so we're back to banner of the world dragon because it's not an aftersave like that's not a damage for its ability yeah yeah so you can actually like they would get a four plus four plus to shake spells or then to resist the damage from the spells um um yeah i'm a terrible person um sounds like it's pretty fun yeah i think city's is cool in this anything else you want to say on settler's gang uh i like it i like everything about it i wish that the witch elf or the daughter's version was as good as this one well you know you catch more what's the statement you catch more flies with honey than vinegar or something like that i guess is what it says and marathi dumped a whole lot of vinegar over her city whereas techless is true is a little more on the honey side right yeah he's more like about mind control he's successfully done that pretty well to all these humans look i'm just saying whatever that you can you can you can taint it if you want i'm just saying uh that's a friendly functional city he did it's not like they're like yay techless not oh no the murder god is here there's a difference right uh so you know it's kind of narratively there's a reason uh i do want to shout out john byer in the comments you said i honestly really hope in the next edition we see these one in four rules for the various chaos factions and slaves to darkness your bloodbound army and have one in four blah blah blah and they like for right now you wouldn't really need it for the the god named armies can already do it right like they can because you're saying you can bring them in as allies no i'm saying if you're like in a corn army most of the slaves to darkness stuff is evidently grabable because you can just cord mark them and then they're valid in your army you could you know but i think he's saying as slaves to darkness he wants to bring in pure corn unit that's what i'm saying the other way around is where it should be like that slaves to darkness like if your general is marked x then one in four units of that god should be able to come in no i agree that's how it should be right yep so yeah because i mean if you build a slaves to darkness corn list you grab a couple corn units like you're grabbing a blood stoker or a blood secretor or something right yeah um so yeah anyways i saw i agree i think that would be a super cool rule on the slaves to darkness stuff uh okay uh all right anything else i think that's all cities all right let's let's love it like it's really i think it's a fun i think it's a fun build option agree and and to be honest like when i build my lumenath i will probably build with like i will build with uh this city in mind such that like i will i'm gonna like i said i'm gonna bring in my high elves to do functionally conversions um of like you know great swords and stuff like that gotcha cool all right let's talk nergal uh so uh nergal probably made out i don't know i maybe the best maybe not i don't know it's it's a tough fight between them and in cities uh but i would call this fantastic updates to some of the most underperforming nergal scrolls uh once again we did it if i i need to put up my like mission accomplished banner uh we mentioned many of these war scrolls in our worst war scrolls review and they just i mean new war scrolls just showed up uh you know i think i think we're doing a lot of work for free i think these books were written six months before our show but that's okay you're welcome gw yeah indeed uh okay so uh let's let's get into the individual unit here uh we start off with the sloppy bile piper uh so uh my summation again as always i'm not gonna you know read the whole scroll uh but my summation of this dude is he is a solid buff hero with good with uh with good combat buffs for any nergal uh for nergal heroes uh like for any nergal units sorry that should say units not heroes um he is slow he does have to run to keep up with the faster demons um you cannot stack his jaunty tunes very important to remember uh he is another example of the pylon wars uh in a big way uh and uh he is 150 points he is a five wound dude with a five up after save so we've got to keep that in mind when discussing him right like it's it's a lot of points you're paying for this guy given his thing um i i will not compare this guy to a slanesh unit but that's fine we can move on um but the obviously his big trick now is he's got his he does still add the bravery to nergal demons and he can do his little jelly gut pipes and he can blast out a little song and when he blasts out a song he has his three choices a stab and we will go which is nergal demon units get plus one attack uh early one evening my it's just really good it is yeah just flat plus one attack for any nergal demon unit these these are all holy within 14 inch uh buffs uh and that turns it to uh if the unmodified roll for an attack made by a friendly nergal demon unit holy within 14 inches uh is a six that attack inflicts one mortal wound also great and then uh my love the one that everybody loves to talk about my love is like a ripe ripe fart where enemy models within three inches of friendly nergal demon unit uh holy within 14 of the slobby biopiper cannot finish pylon moves closer to a model from that unit than they were at the start of the move um obviously somebody had a great time with these names i hate nergal demons sure and i've read through i read through him and i'm like i don't know i could maybe do a nergal demon yeah sure man sure cuz uh i mean you know that you can when we get to the next guy you think nergal demons you're like okay cool well i could take something like plague drones and we could just ramp them through the roof uh with lots of bonus attacks or or some additional bonus attacks and maybe mortal wounds on a six for all of their different attack profiles right because they make a ton a ton of different attacks um you think about how much tankier it actually makes a unit of plague bearers if if the enemy can't pile into them right it's a really big deal like suddenly like those fire slayers you just tag a model and you're like that earth garbage or block is never moving right congratulations yeah ever because they just can't get closer to that guy yeah so they just i kind of have to like he has this bubble around him that's just very hard to get rid of uh so yeah i mean this dude's really cool he is still removable right because as you said he is just a five wound hero with a five up after save and a five up base save you know at 150 points um but what a great series of bonuses like they did it they they made this dude fun balloon drop uh yeah absolutely um as as uh as jared pointed out like puscoiled blightlords and archie are nergal demons as well because they have the keyword yes it's absolutely true archion is a nergal demon unit as well so you can have both slobby and uh or you can have slobby i'm sorry not the next guy because next is much more specific but you can have slobby buffing up archion archion loves a jaunty tune can't get enough of it um so you could have archion get a lot of pretty famous attacks now keeping this guy up with archie that's another story that might be a little tougher that dude is spending command points on just keeping up yeah just to run six every time because yeah just why is he so fast well i mean even then like he's not going to keep up uh because that's 10 inches of movement and you have to be holy within 14 correct which means that like you have to be attacking in the midfield so sure for your initial alpha you're not going to get it to him but if the other person goes first moves into the midfield uh different story different story yeah so um yes uh anyways it's it's interesting uh i like this dude what's your vote on this guy give him a score uh x out of 10 tom what is slobby bio paper because before he was a straight one i think it's a b plus that is not a one out of ten rating i know i know uh i would say he is a seven point five okay i like your rating i'm gonna say before he was a one i'm gonna give him a solid eight now and the reason i'm going to eight is solely because he there are so many nergal demon units in the game like a lot of people have that combination of keywords and his abilities are just too awesomely named so if and if he was if he was 140 gosh all right i would go to an eight okay but he's not at 150 it's a really weird odd point break sure which makes him hard to slot into some lists and he's really like not good at that point like you're really like putting him out there in a risky kind of way sure at that point and let me just say that same time if people are spending shooting to kill your slobby bio piper i'm not sure that's like the worst thing for you just i'm saying that okay sure so anyways it's not like your whole strats going to be built around this dude right so great sure sure kill this guy give let all my other units do whatever they want like yes please put your shooting power because you you know you're gonna be shooting at him with neg want to hit and then he's a little blah blah blah blah so there you go yeah so i give him an eight okay spoil 150 150 is a little bit high that's fair i could see him at 140 but still it's good spoil pox scrivener another another another guy for market list of worst of the worst and uh yes as dan pointed out by the way you can summon these guys yes that's true um absolutely thank you dan stock goes way up summoning these guys sure absolutely true uh that that should have absolutely been at something that i mentioned thank you dan for catching me on the summonable thing spoil pox scrivener again same thing four inch move 502 euro five up save five up after save fantastic great uh again we have a similar buff dude with three buff options uh good pairing with plague bearers or plague drones if you're going into a hard plague drone strategy this guy can work well especially with the aforementioned a slobby tea um he is slow again he has to to run he cannot stack his buffs he's 140 points he does his little tally count again it's for units than 14 but this time it's plague bearer units but it is bold so that is the regular plague bearers as well as the plague drones who have the plague bearer keyword okay uh so what he can do is tally of blows plus one attacks which is cool for melee weapons by the way uh the uh studied lacerations uh improve their rend by one or uh yeah which is like really really good it's like crazy good and uh recorded stamina plus one to save for attacks that uh target the unit uh those are three really solid buffs i love when we start on plus one attack which is normally just like just one of the best buffs you can have and that's one of the weaker ones right i'm like i don't know that i would ever actually use that one i mean i but like the plus one i mean if i got my spell off for the mortal winds like on sixes and i was fishing and trying to like burst down a unit maybe but there's a lot of other really good stuff in the list yep so i i think that uh again scrivener is great he is 140 uh by the way so he is 10 points cheaper uh he does not have the raw tech of the no pylon his is more just straight mechanical bonuses but they are very strong meat meat is what we call that yeah i mean a unit of plague drones buffed with an additional rend is pretty good especially if then other things start getting into the mix that are available in nergal like maybe a rust fang thing floating around or whatever or a rust like it'd be really easy to accompany these guys by a lord of abominations lord of affliction or lord affliction sorry lord affliction has the same movement as they do um he can carry the rust fang for the penalties to save and he's a demon so he can turn on their demon locus yeah uh so with like all of that and i mean they can be at what plus four attacks is that right there's a lot of different sources of attacks here yes like plague drones already had quite a few ways they could get bonus attacks we cannot forget about those so yes giving them an additional rend maybe they get rust fanged and you don't need to like super stack them but sure even like one more attack on their profile or something if they go plus one rend or sorry effectively plus two rend and plus one attack will do those guys get real scary because they have just a quite a high number of attacks when you push up their three profiles by one yeah i mean they were scary already but like msu doing missiles of three plague drones sure is terrifying sure yeah yeah um yeah so again scrivener i think he's solid again you know yes you can look at any one of these heroes in the void and say sure they can be picked off totally fair okay but at the same time it's a target rich environment right and if you've got like one scrivener and one bio piper and you can summon more in the mid to late game good luck shooting down my demons i guess by that point i've probably already accomplished what i want so no not too shabby good it's good yeah they guys into proper i stand by my nergal list sure you've always been more of a mortal side but i i will i love that they took these two figs which are two of the best figs that i think they've ever made uh for a os despite my hatred nergal i think they're both so characterful and fun and interesting and they really gave them a new life on the table well it's interesting like when i think about that list that like the multiple prong like utility list that i built um for the article we did um like this adds real gas in summoning these guys oh yeah yeah 100 because i summoning them as support for the drones yep yep um or even and you know i can think about a couple aspects of the list that i could pull out other things and put one of these guys in sure so it's good like i love the changes it it what it does is it makes me think and goes back to let it make me go back to list building which is exactly what you want when you introduce these types of tweaks yeah more new options these guys open up entire new quote unquote wings uh-huh of the of the nergal book uh nergal is such a it's a really old tome and yet it's just kept persisting it's just kept like it is it just will not go away i mean it's one of the most i mean the only other one that was equivalent was the daughter's one which was still viable after about about the same amount of time uh a little bit shorter but even then like daughters have been updated nergal hasn't and nergal's still taken away i would also put there's a lot of people who said oh the books that are out now before the the launch are going to become the weakest books i saw that comment being made i would point out that the four main books that launched before aos two were legions nergal doc and idk so three out of the four of those the exception being legions remained actually extremely viable and strong and two of them remained in basically the top six armies for their entire run through all of aos two right so they were they were written in aos one and they survived at the top of the meta for all of aos two yes through all the books yes so can we do away with the myth of like gw printing power sure like they're absolutely power there's not this direct power creep thing at least not in aos i i know people love that story but there's that's just not the world we live in three out of four of those books remained like near 60 or 60 percent or at least competitively strong right over the course of the entire aos two and in fact the two books that launched when the where the game came out were basically bad right aos two right uh well no that's not true um that's not true at all i i stormcast in that first year were really good because you had um you had uh your charge lord guy with the 20 sequiturs when sequiturs were undercosted yeah i mean i'm gonna this is me giving you the sure i mean they were taking events it's fine it's fine i mean like i gary took 40 sequiturs to the masters sure the u k masters like i they like stormcast were strong in that first year night haunt not so much sure uh but i mean grim gas reaper found their way into allegiance to god yeah but my point is is that like don't assume because a book comes now as soon as aos three comes out suddenly it's destroyed just all history doesn't say that's the case when your book comes out vis-a-vis the additions means absolutely nothing to its overall endurance and power and capabilities as has been shown right you can have one of the newest books slash and it can be pretty bad you can have one of the newest books doc and it can be amazing it's just all over the shop right so there you go yep okay cool beans uh beasts oh nirgle uh i don't know why but every time i see these guys just maybe just the way they're moving they kind of have like this kind of emotion to them all right yeah like they're really fully yeah like harry bill fontes jump in the line always starts my mind i picture that scene from from beetle juice like it's just what i it's what i pictured them singing as they walk across the battlefield i don't know why anyways these and they're like it's the arm is it's always the same arm is always stretched out yeah they're always like how to do in this thing they're somehow monopos models yeah like oh they're multi-part monopos models yeah uh all right so here's my take on beast i'm keen for yours tom so they're you know eight wounds five of save again five of disgusting they resilient after save pretty standard for this stuff right it's an interesting but expensive distraction unit um they are quite mobile despite that five inch move because they do have run and retreat and charge they can fly when retreating and they have multiple sources of uh of mortal wounds okay yeah i think the challenge is 120 points just feels probably a little bit too high for them um they're interesting but that's probably a bit too much they're not a hundred and twenty points interesting yeah that's the challenge is there's because they're still on like on a 60 mil round uh i don't remember their exact size like they like my challenge is is they just don't have a big enough footprint like if they are a distraction unit i'm just gonna go around them yeah i mean i think their their goal is to just jump in hit the sides bounce out hit the sides bounce out right but like they're not clogging up lanes is what i'm saying like like they're not screening anything no i don't think that's their role i understand that but like i don't think that they're punchy enough to do what what needs to what what they're supposed to be doing yeah it's tough i mean i think it depends a lot on exactly what you're doing with them it's like i said i think i think you're right i think the 120 points is probably a bit too much it feels like they should probably be a hundred maybe a hundred and ten a hundred yeah i mean how much damage are you getting out of them at a hundred points i i haven't actually ran the numbers on their like attacks so less i mean they have four attacks on fours and threes at neg one two damage and then some whippy tentacles the answer is less than two damage that's probably true i mean it's all that's the mortal wounds to what you're going for right because you impact you hit you have the everybody any unit within an inch right you're going to try to shove them in between two units so you get two d three mortals out of them on a two of them no no no yeah like no you shove them in between two units so that on average one of those units is going to take a d three mortals it's on a two plus i think it's a four no it's not it's on a two plus i'm looking at the worst role it says i have the worst role printed right here i took this directly off the website okay so you're looking at the pestilent battering ramp i'm looking at before it makes a yeah not the retreat no no the pestilent battering ram when they that's why you're trying to shove them in between two units on a two up they do a d three mortals they have the good impact hits the one that hits everybody within an inch right some units say pick one unit within an inch and they do that some some uh models have the everybody within an inch they have the everybody within an inch impact hits okay sure sure you're gonna do that and then you're right like when you retreat they're gonna do on average to one unit they're gonna do three damage and to the other unit they're gonna do two damage and then when they retreat to one unit they're gonna do two more damage like they're not doing anything for 120 points totally fair like let's let's compare them to like five sword bastards five blade lords which are 120 points okay those five blade lords are going to do more than four damage may i counterpoint you sure secret chariots who are on a chariot base and cost 10 more points okay at 130 they're slowness they don't count oh okay cool never mind that got it just say have the same impact hits with no uh we do they have retreat in charge no mortal wounds on the way out same you're talking about making things good the books bad fair enough if like again we're gonna do an exercise just briefly okay how much is the chariot 130 six reduce that by reduce that by 40 percent you're down to nine i understand yeah sure do you feel do you feel better about that chariot i would take the chair like the chariot side feel good about it 100 points i'd say that much so yeah like okay right the b should be like i'm at i'm with them at 100 i'm not with them at 120 yeah again the chariot just like i said 30 to 40 percent over cost it yeah yeah and so what that says is yep these like at 100 it feels about right for both the chariot and the beast in her right yep so so that's fair uh yeah but cool neat rules uptake still probably not good enough but this is fixable right right because again we got the good we got the good meat here the bones got better now it's just a points challenge that's easy right that's that's no big whenever i see points being often like who cares if the scroll is interesting if it's got potential for use then it's just and it's just a points problem like okay who cares that's the thing we can fix over time right we're gonna get points a lot more often than we get new war scrolls so there we go all right next up the invidian plague host the uh the battalion that includes all of this uh so one slobbyty one spoilpox here's a quick question tom shorten their names i say slobbyty and scrivener like i don't use the first word i just did i know but most when i was writing this i kept thinking to myself scrivener scrivener scrivener like bile piper is too much so it's slobbyty but with the second guy i go scrivener just thought how do you shorten words what's your what's your short name for this guy uh it's slobbyty yeah sure slobbyty slobbyty we all agree on that and the scribe okay fair enough by the way uh slobbyty gravelords are is sbg that's the acronym for that i'm just gonna go ahead and mention that again uh so that we all get that in our heads vimps is taking his claim it's sbg uh their vamps uh i agree with two plus top and short and again there's a difference between the blood name and the acronym yep yep anyways and two plague bear units not bolded okay not uh so they have to be normal old plague bearers slobbyty and the scrivener become unique named characters and then the first time a plague bearer unit is destroyed you set up a new unit with 10 models wholly within your territory six inches from the edge of the board within within six inches you get an additional plus one to bravery so your your dudes can be bravery 12 now or whatever if they're near the the the piper i'll take a tally man points yeah you can just stop hard no one's taking this battalion yeah we're taking tally band instead because we get everything as a one drop yeah it's yeah absolutely or two drop if you want your lord of afflictions yep yep so i i agree like miss on the play host but that's fine it's fine it's fine it needs to be in theme and that's cool we'll take out a band uh still the king of all the uh nergal battalions sure the nergal humans sure it's fine yep okay all right so anything else you want to say on nergal because that brings us to the end of our nergal here no no uh i love that they made they short up the uh the the bad parts of nergal yeah that like the whole line in general is is pretty shiny completely agreed this is what i want to see from broken realms right this kind of thing right here more of this this is good keep doing things like this settlers gain awesome uh new updated nergal war scrolls fantastic find those under performing bad silly war scrolls of awesome new models and fix them in these books it is the best thing you can do here by far do not stick half an army into one of these that is a poor choice i am much more excited about this book and what it brings through the cities and what it brings through the nergal that i am about anything luminous related look how much we can do with so little space right on the cities absolutely absolutely i mean what was four pages yeah four pages yes four pages and it's it's crazy the amount of waiting for viability ways to use your toys fun competitiveness whatever you're rating it on right pound for pound those are fantastic for pages right right what it proves is that so much of the game can be fixed improved you know whatever you want to say plus simple elegant some simple elegant writing because like the reality is this those four pages is going to sell a lot of product for utw right right because like people see that and that will spawn an entire army with buying 10 plus units right no one is reading the hell court battalion fleshy reports and buying an army on that right right they're not exactly that's too little the luminous is too much but nergal and the cities are the middle bowl of porridge of what i want to see out of broken realms they're just right yep it's it's exactly the kind of stuff that we want to see make these units interesting they don't need to be the most competitive thing i'm not interested in that i don't care about that i think that really what we need to do with the game right now is take the tape five or six armies and just hit them in the kneecap so hard that they fall back down okay uh like there are five or six bad actors at the top of this list ruining like not ruining the game that's way too strong um that are just out of bounds honest answer we'll get into that next week but but like just just kneecap those and focus on on bringing interesting viability to to these things through very minimal changes you know you look at somebody like boc if they showed up in here you wouldn't have to touch a huge number of scrolls or do a lot of work you could do it in like six pages and you could you could open up entirely new avenues and and really turn that army to something so interesting the bones are there right okay so anyways there's that part uh if uh it so i really like this if you like the show right now hey you should hit the like button because it really helps so we appreciate that thanks everyone that's a that's a nice transition super smooth that's what we're here for all right uh it's important to hit the like especially as we're just about to get to the narrative okay tom we're going to get into the narrative section here spoilers ahead warning yes absolutely that is correct we are uh going to be spoiling stuff give me a moment okay i'm going to leave this up on the screen for just a moment i have my big giant spoilers tag it's there okay so uh yes spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers uh so uh let's talk narrative here we go have you heard the good news of teclas so tom i i'll how do you how do you want to break this down basically there's a story in three acts right yeah sure sure okay uh prologue a bunch of night haunt show up in in in settler's game and it pisses teclas off sure because negosh has overstuffed his bounds yep um and uh that narrative basically ends with teclas being like i'm super sweet look at me i can blow a bunch of ghosts up he does do the sweetest move in the history of moves in this fight sure so a bunch of ghosts attack settler's game i mean that's basically the story right the of the prologue yep of the prologue yeah and one of the things i find fascinating about the nature of killing ghosts by the way the way they explain it in world is that belief that you can kill ghosts with your weapons allows your weapons to kill ghosts this was touched on in the in the sons of badmout book by the way as well that's that is what is determinative of that war of the uh of there to theory i'll say basically how firm is your belief correct so if you have sort of conviction right you can you can just you can you can strike them down even with normal weapons but if you if you lose if you give way to fear uh you as we all know fear is in fact the mind killer uh but if you give way to fear then you you die so anyways in the story there's they you know they come in back and forth and blah blah blah and then eventually big pop of tecla shows up and the bunch of the ghosts he's he's way up in the air because you know he can fly and stuff and a bunch of the ghosts race up to meet him yeah sure because they can all fly too so they all whoo they're up in the air to fight him and tecla's is like i free you from your curse which then turns them all back into mortal beings and freeze them from the cursed form of of undeath that like let's be very death that negash is placed in resurrects a host of people yes like just like hundreds of people you're all alive again because i removed the body yes 150 feet up in the air correct and then he'll just they're like yay we're alive oh no and then they all just fall and die uh dick move tecla's which is uh which is pretty funny like admittedly that is a baller wizard move um it's pretty great it was pretty great i remember tom way way back i'm gonna tell it this is a complete digression but i'll keep this to less than 30 seconds but 26 years ago baby we did a second edition dnd uh gladiatorial competition that i over gm'd at our at our store that i worked at we had a bunch of groups go through individual dungeons then meet in the middle in a giant arena to battle i was one of the gm's for that so i very i very clearly remember the story you're about to tell and one of the and and there was sort of rules around how you coach character and all the characters are very powerful and stuff it was basically a pvp tournament yes of a bunch of different inventory a dnd pvp tournament there were like six parties each started in their own dungeon and and basically like they're all being gm'd like individually and then they fed into the mega dungeon where i was running a show yes right and or it's starting to the mega arena where i was running a show yep and they there was a group that was all undead they had made themselves out of whatever the raven loft supplement was to let you make undead people and i remember that one of the one of the undead like the undead people were very hard to kill because undead were they were all super undead super buffed undead it was all second edition dnd so everybody was like liches and mummies and yeah crazy stuff just and i remember that one of the one of the undead went down by the good guys casting like resurrection on that no no no it was a lot of it was a lot of resurrection i remember exactly yes they used to have a lot of resurrection and it was like boom lich you're alive and then they couldn't just put in his party killed him so anyways i was reminded of that move uh with texas opening in the prologue here so fine enough that sort of sets the story into classy classy move yeah uh i loved it so after i after the what i am sure was a her settlers gang does not appear in this story for a while they're gonna come back at the very end yeah i assume that's because they had to clean up a lot of really gross stuff like a lot of people fell from very high in the sky and probably exploded when they hit the ground uh that city was probably gross i'm just saying texas just jumped a lot dead exploding bodies onto the city and then left it was enlightened sure so then we go to act one yep and that's where we'll go ahead so texas is is is committed to teaching the gasha lesson yes of knocking him down a peg that is what this entire story is driven on is texas is going it needs to do something in his mind about um teaching the gasha lesson this is not about claiming territory this is not about mcguffins right this is about attempting the the most prideful person in the realms attempting to humble somebody else i would say that there's also i mean yes i first of all i don't disagree with that reading but i would say there is a second re sorry i'm slapping his roddy said people and horses don't forget the horses yes true there were x-rays in that as well so yes there would have been horses as well oh god what a nightmare anyways okay yes i don't disagree with that reading but there there is also a very clearly stated secondary purpose that i think is is genuine which is just like with night haunt who draw their power from fear right yeah texas is also on a mission like he being the sort of god of light and magic wants to bring light to the realms and hope and hope right because negash and the forces of death get defeated ultimately by hope right i mean maybe that's he's part of his goal here is certainly to show i i don't disagree with your reading that part of is to humble him yes but i think it's also to bring hope to a lot of people he believes that if right if other people believe they can break free from his his shackles they will and that's why like i flippantly said like have you heard the good news of texas um because a lot of what he's doing is like evangelizing shyish and i mean that in like the technical like greek term you know you on galleon which is like proclaiming the good news right so like that is that by the way that's not just like christian term that was like a like a roman political like that was a term in the hellenistic world that they use for embers was a you on galleon it was the message of the rulers right um and so what's so fascinating is that like that's the mission right like so much of act one is like whoa after like after one going back to is like tech was just sending out writers to proclaim the good news yeah yeah um and it was so funny to listen to two plus tough like being baffled at what's going on here sure but you're right it's about the ideological uh drive right of bringing hope yes of hope bearing to two of people who like as we said you know lived under this mournful darkness and oppressiveness for so long right yes right which is antithetical to what negosh is and so ideologically it actually gets at the heart of this just like you had to have faith you had to have like certitude to like strike at the heart of the ghosts right yes real quick tom did we miss a chance for a fun homage here for a fun biblical homage because i agree with you this is that sort of thing going on right should we have had a cabalos or something let's say a cabalos on the road to asia okay who gets who then sees before him and is struck from his horse by a powerful light of like one of the luminous casters and he then like falls away from his horse and sees the the truth of it and now proclaims the good word and becomes like the missionary to the to the death people uh see you missed it no so i'm gonna i'm gonna take it one step further okay you really wanted to go down this road this is what it would have been techless on his mission okay in asia to humble them right yes he would have seen this lone cabalos sure okay yeah and actually recognize that the cabalos himself was a enslaved uh elven soul yep okay yep that that and so what techless would have done is come and uh and raised him just like he did like yeah just gonna lie yeah yeah what was foreshadowed in in what was foreshadowed in the prologue techless does again to the cabalos sure that would have been great yeah bring him back and then sends him as as the individual who is the the spear point of the message of hope yep love it by the way i got to go with brian s here in the comments that he changed his name from the syroc to parac yes exactly if you have like that would exactly what they would do right he'd have some kind of name like that yes 100% so anyways it just like we missed it we missed a trick there that doesn't happen in the story yeah like there there would have been a fun weird narrative like semi in world jokie thing they could have done which would have been enjoyable and actually like it's a good narrative beat right because they've already they've already foreshadowed this like resurrection right yeah like this thing that he can do and have him come down and basically like show that like in a very real sense teclas has the ability to undo everything that negash is it would yes which would also then be you'd not it not only echo what was already done but it would set up thematically what's going to happen later yes i agree right and so like i actually think it would have been a really good beat in the story and then and then bend the impetus for why that he sends out all these runners sure these these these you know good newsbearers yes so yeah they so the there's sort of two main things going on in act one which is one yes all these these have you heard the good word of teclas right these writers are going out bearing the good word to all these cities everywhere um and the lumeneth get involved with like the basically in um uh in equus or whatever it is i don't know that the stallard lords region and then there's a big like cavalry chase and when people are held aloft by their faith hey guess what they're really good and they can fly yeah exactly like whatever it's fine that's not really the interesting part of the story like they're they're little good news mission is just what it is the real meat of act one is the battle at the triptych right so it's these three uh like chronicles of ritic statues that that uh nagash has erected and uh the lumeneth float in on their shrines which apparently can only move outside of the game and uh and then they're gonna like they're just blasting away from up there like ha ha ha we have the advantage you know obr you don't fly we've got you got you to disadvantage and then uh the triptychs basically wake up knock some of the stones to the ground or knock the shrines to the ground and then a big giant sort of siege battle occurs and goes back and forth um this is where uh i'm trying to remember when when characters meet their their destiny this is where volt martin is involved in this battle right yes yeah that really bad named guy is just as bad a narrative yeah he he makes like some let's call it not great decisions and uh ultimately it ends up being a w for the lumeneth like i mean there's some back and forth but what it ultimately is is the the lumeneth win the the fun moment is when the statues come alive and batter the shrines down and then they turn and then the the elementary turn the the fallen rocks into a big bastion a fortress that they're defending on and there's a lot of back and forth and so on and so forth so and then the spirit of the mountain sort of uses the other triptych to one of the other stone things to smash him and that's that that's act one basically it's you know it's they win i wouldn't call it a the lumeneth win it's not a pyrrhic victory but they did uh like it's a they lost a lot they lost a lot but again they weren't trying to like they're not trying to establish a beach head right then that's not what's going on here like this is all a symbolic victory because like teclas doesn't keep pushing into shyish right right he pulls back he just comes and dunks on the next at the triptych and he's like peace out ha yes take that and goes back to hi-ish right and so the important part to remember here is that act one and act two are happening kind of overlapping basically yes because the other thing i should mention that the other thing that sort of happened in the prologue that we really didn't talk about but it's it's worth mentioning it there's there's a couple of like god asides where the two gods where multiple gods chat to each other because they can just start cross realm barriers and talk to each other whenever they want we should have more of that going on yeah yeah there's a there's a scene where teclas basically goes directly to negash is like listen dummy all right you need to you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself and negash is like how dare you i'll i will show you i'll smash you you're insignificant blah blah blah blah i am you know i am all and negash is all and i will be all and blah blah blah blah nonsense standard negash nonsense and then he like banishes the little image of teclas way and then they both set their plans into motion right right so teclas is pushed onto the triptych and all of this and the good news mission that's kind of happening and then sort of overlapping is negash's plan uh which is he has sort of three of his five more tarks at hand two of them are out of touch uh lady o and uh uh catechrose are out of touch because the reason they're out of touch you're out of touch they're out of touch i assume is because they're uh they're in the eight points because this is actually happening this whole thing is overlapping wrath of the ever chosen yes okay and broken realms marathi like all of these are kind of overlapping each other it's not it's it has it's not sequential it's not like wrath happened and then uh marathi happened and then this is happening they're all kind of overlapping each other yes and what is happening negash is playing it's essentially like hide your kids hide your wife yeah because like he's like lock all the doors yes like lock everything down don't let the luminous in and and at the same time he's also gonna well yes like take control of these gates but we're gonna put death magic out into everywhere else like we're gonna we're gonna make everywhere else shayesh right like his plan as if the neck as if the neck real quick why didn't do that already yes he look he's got one plan okay and it's called export the realm of death elsewhere so he gets uh he gets his more tarks up so the three he's got his disposal which is manfred nefarada and um uh and arc on the black right and he sends them out to uh to other realms to these gates to these relevant nexus points right and he's gonna like basically create this little wave of death energy of shayesh energy out into through this very lengthy ritual out into all the other realms yep right and what i love about this is how silly this plan is like right from the jump okay like from the jump this is a terrible plan i just like tactically so your idea here is you're gonna take your three best commanders theoretically right well no your best commander you've already assigned to the all point right sure so your three remaining commanders let's put it that way that's fair okay and you're gonna just send him not to where you are and just out into enemy territory and and he doesn't tell them how to accomplish this mission by the way right as we learn go do gate stuff he just says like go do this this is what i want figure it out right yeah there's some narrative hand waving going on when you get to this part of the narrative like with this part of the story you're just like negosh is a bad manager can we just say that right now like i've had this manager who's like go do this nearly impossible task i'm not going to tell you how to do it i'm not going to give you enough resources to be successful and i will not and if you fail it's all your fault you know like this is probably the worst management 101 and his is like the worst of all possible worlds is he like his goal in life is to manage everything right he is a terrible terrible manager and yet that's not that this like every bad manager he thinks being in management is exactly what he should be doing right and so he also the other he breaks both rules of bad management the one i just said and doing too many projects at once and splitting your focus like this is classic project management no no's right so uh so he sends them all out like a dummy and uh so they all end up in different realms and uh manfred goes to uh guy ran to the realm which like nobody wants to go to guy ran and he's like i'm in let's do this i'm very interested in doing everything that you want mr negosh thank you thank you sir yes he's suddenly very compliant and is stoked to go to guy ran which sets up his previous we'll we'll double talk in a moment about how the short story interacts with this right because there was a short story that tied into this part uh he sends nefi nefarada nefi goes to shambon shambon and he sends uh arc on the black into heish of course you know yeah which is just bad moves left and right okay so all right each uh more targets just as i said left to their own devices as to how to accomplish this apparently very long complicated very easily disruptible ritual right to spread death magic out of the gates correct from these nexus ones and so manfred his plan is i'm going to send out he ran yes and there's a bunch of nergal nearby sure and so hence why we have nergal in the book and so manfred's like i'm just going to be everywhere right and so i'm going to stir up as much shit as i possibly can yes and so he sends out all of his forces to go engage nergal all along their battle lines and basically like distract and move the conflict away from the gate so that he can do his ritual with his people at the gate alone his plan is basically i'm going to fight a ton of battles that i will lose and i don't care and get and attract as much attention yes seems right is what he's trying to do and and that's what ties back to the short story when he was when he in the short story he's like you know that he's talking to the nergal demon or whatever and you know he's talking about attacking this thing and the nergal demons like there's no way you could defeat us in the realm of life we are multitude you know we're disease we're everywhere we we cannot be stopped you know and blah blah blah and then he kills uh the demon he's like huh i don't plan to win right like okay uh very clever right so anyways i think manfred like there's a subtext here like yes he goes on this he sends all his troops out to die and distracting all these other armies right and he's he's letting him know so he can basically distract all the other forces and meanwhile him and his like elite guard are going to complete the ritual super cool but like that's a fine plan right and my feeling is he never actually intended to succeed like i don't think he cared at all about this right i think he just had to make a good show of it right and his like look at all these troops i lost look i tried we tried you know did our best boss um he knows he's gonna fail so he's planning to like fail fast he's not gonna screw around with it right right and so and then what ends up happening is of course he's in guy ran and uh he ends up attracting the attention of the silvaneth as well right and so then uh we get an awesome little couple moments in here of uh allario coming in and just wrecking shop by the way just absolutely beaten uh just beaten down which is how everything in her path it would show how we're no or like the narrative universe right because she was hyper effective uh i want her new war scroll to feel like it does in the story summer yeah because she is ready she is ready to work sun right uh so anyways that silvaneth come in and it's you know there's like this sort of battle but then obviously manfred ends up losing he's like get fine didn't care i'm out boom gone great and like i said i think he like i i really do feel that the subtext there is he never intended to win he goes he wants to lose as fast as possible and ultimately what he does is he bails first chronologically goes back home raises his forces and then goes and attacks nefaronis kingdom and takes a bunch of her land which i love like manfred comes out of this in my mind absolutely the best right he's like i know what i am right he saw that this was a he looked at his boss's plan said this is stupid this will never work but i can use this to my advantage so he goes he warns nurgle he gets his like nefaron is going to be doing her own plan so and her plans are always slow and methodical and careful it's going to take her forever right so he purposely loses fast so he can just go and actually win against nefarada which is what he ultimately wants he wants her territory she didn't care about this and he doesn't even care in a sense if negash is gone right we've seen we've seen obviously manfred regularly move against negash hundred percent um so he's like you know this is going to fail oh yeah so he ends up he ends up in my mind out of the three mortars he ends up coming out the best uh like both narratively like i understand what he's doing he's he seems to have like a coherent plan it works yeah like his plan works like everything you know it's yeah he's he's pretty good uh so i'm for that yeah um nefi's plan in shimon is basically to uh she uses like some confusion to be sneaky and i'm going to divert everybody away from the portal right and i'm going to abuse misinformation and and hire some people and make all the ko and no one go near this nexus area so that i can do my ritual right so i'm going to be super sneaky and just not attract attention yep until one enterprising young admiral uh goes wait a minute there's all these trade routes that aren't going over this area this is one of the fastest routes why are we not doing this i better go look and see what's going on there she flies her uh her ironclad and a couple of frigates in uh disembarked mistake number one sure never get out of the boat never get out of the boat uh and um i don't know like gets aged rapidly and loses almost everything she has in all of her crew and bear barely escapes with her life but then functionally alerts the twins yes of what's happening right and that's the narrative that we that i mentioned earlier in the short story yes because she escapes she and her first mate escape yep uh and the two of them uh like she does get as she has mentioned yes she does age from the proximity to all the death magic spilling out there she was a young admiral i again i apologize i do not remember her name if somebody in the chat remembers the admiral's name i i can't remember her specific name but she seems a cool character uh and then in the short story she gets caught up and almost killed by a vampire she just get her eye cut out like in a really brutal scene like holy crap yeah where it talks about the remnants of her eye dribbling down her cheek like jeez little beats man that is some brutal stuff even in text i'm like wow that's brutal so uh in her first role as the vampire set off yeah she does blow the vampire set off after it gets uh sheered through by uh um elathon or whatever his name is elahor and uh yeah thank you and um but yeah it's you know she managed to get away but she alerts it disrupts the ritual and basically through uh what happens there uh nephia is forced to to to bail right she she gets away well no it's not just that like she alerts the twins and the twins take a lumineff force yes there the ritual gets disrupted the the portal gets collapsed on a bunch of folks and you know people lose their lives and the plan fails yes there you go and and nephi of course bounces at the last moment yes exactly yep and the bridge story we got of that is the short story right so right is when when the like when the captain meets the twins who get the twins involved to take the lumineff to stop the portal right yep magic thing yes whatever reasons there stop the ritual let's just call it the ritual at the nexus portal yes uh so and then trusted servant arca arca on the black uh just performs the worst out of all of them like you know nephi at least got close right uh before he's like you know what i haven't seen in a long time flowers in sunlight yeah i'm gonna go take a walk so he just like leaves the nexus and then everything goes sideways uh ultimately what happens there i mean we can wrap up his part pretty simple because it's it's relatively silly um he makes a bunch of bad tactical decisions yes and el farion punches him in the face yes el farion like kicks him off the edge of heish into the pure light magic and turns him to dust like he tried out like classical this is a show now right because if we remember our end times yeah uh archon world before world or the world before in the old world yes uh archon kills uh uh the reason why i'll start years right the reason why all tharion is a suit of armor now and not embodied is not only these end times but because arcan handed us to them in that story like in the at the end of the first act and that led to like he got handed us to it and then arcan sacrificed uh a larryl's daughter a larryl and tyrian's daughter to raise negash and so there's a there's like millennia of pent up frustration here from al-tharion's failure and uh he gets to punch arcan back in the face yeah i mean he straight he's straight as somebody said the comments he does straight falcon punch him right into like pure raw light magic and arcan just gets consumed like he is dead uh now is so your next question is so like arcan dies like he gets straight up sploded uh he is sploded okay um so the next logical question is is does that mean like arcan is gone from the is he dead now forever and no no of course he's not oh because he's an extension of negash as well yeah as has been shown before negash can reconstitute arcan the black uh because he just like he has this mastery over souls and that soul is forever bound to negash so you know arcan has died for and uh and he can reconstitute however al-tharion gets the big w here and does like and does dead him at least for some amount of time until he can come back which may be a little longer than we think for reasons we're about to get to right right uh so um so yes he will eventually come back but yeah so let's get this great teclas goes and drops the w like or not drops it but goes and throws a w in shyish with the triptych headsome negash goes okay close down all the portals and all of his people fail and then he decides to go and do it himself yes so then we get to act three and yes i love ghost mutton no one's ever really gone yeah indeed uh that's definitely true in in the mortal realms um and well uh teclas there's some comments about like no one knowing where he is sure in the midst of all this and it's because he's had the rumor is he's had to bounce to protect the uh selenesh from getting out because because ever the ever chosen story right the ever chose is in mid stream is in mid happening when he yes all that's going on so what is happening is to to rehash that narrative is that um catechrose is pushing in on the ever the barren spire and at the same time archion is almost a selenesh and so as archons almost a selenesh teclas goes to stop archion and then archion has to turn around before that though and stop catechrose which really makes me wonder like why didn't catechrose get called back because he was on a mission and he's i i don't think he would have turned back and besides it would take him a while he just is a dude who walks around like ultimately uh so okay but asya is being sacked which is like a homeland of the obr oops uh so that then i mean long story short negash shows up in person right and is like in all of this it's time to it's time to go to town right and he starts you know melting people and doing what negash does because he's he's the god of well negash is like here i'm gonna go you you trash my homeland i'm gonna go trash your homeland and so he strolls in and tries to kill that big dumb cow mountain yes by by killing the mountain range right because that's how things work now um there's there's two quick things we need to talk about with negash yes he he grievously wounds uh the the mountain that is avalon avalon or avalon or the spirit yeah the named mountain cow he grievously wounds that and he also has this um sort of extra shield of ghosts around him of elvis by corrupting mountain yeah like he goes to the mountain range in highish of avalon or that avalon or represents and starts corrupting the mountain which then causes avalon or to begin to crumble and gets all the attention none of the elves will touch negash because he has a cloud of elf spirits around them which ties back to the narrative of the elves trying to sell save all the elf spirits right yep exactly uh so negash is he's on a rampage and uh uh and yes crypt shadow i agree with you don't listen to tom and uh the uh and then that's when the wrath of the ever chosen stuff comes sort of finishes and then we get basically techless returning right like there's a couple other little beats in there but for the most part we get techless then returning and we get a big showdown right this is now title fight round 20 uh this is this is the showdown at the otown so um techless and negash have a back and forth i i don't feel like really blow by blowing all this but let's let's take the big beats flat fight they have a god slap fight yes um okay things that are relevant that happen in this fight as as here are the beats i would call out like in the in the god v god match okay us negash just chumps selenar at the start of the fight he's like net you out yes so negash chump yes i agree negash chumps the moon spirit selenar the this guy this thing that yes his little buddy right and uh techless blows up the nine books of negash destroys them uh which is like i think the most single meaningful thing that happens in this like as far as impact to a character uh the fact that they will develop that i don't know if negash can re reconstitute himself without those i as they are what allowed him to constitute in the first place into his grand mega skeletal form i assume he's because he's god powered now he doesn't need the books anymore to come back okay i will say it's an it was a nice touch narratively because techless in the story calls out the fact that like uh he is just a human that's still elf magic yeah sure they they address each other by their old world names like left and right yes right and he's just a nekha karen priest that stole elf magic to become what he is and so techless you know punches in in his magic like he he takes books away he's like you stole these from you stole our magic from us so suck it yeah so he blows up the nine books of negash which is a super cool move like i love it i love it that's fantastic uh and i i hope that stays i hope negash just doesn't have the books now and they give him a new war scroll at some point more tarks isn't he i don't know i i i don't remember his full number of original more tarks in the old world he had a bunch of different i think he well i think he like i think in the narrative he has nine um which i wonder if that's all like corresponded like if that lines up yeah i do but so the the books get destroyed and uh then negash is like oh he's like very non-plust about this right like he's uh what and and and negash even says like where's tirion why doesn't tirion come do this yes and and that's when we get this little teaser line of tirion is dealing with something far more dangerous than you right which is just like that is a statement right uh right which which negash does not accept that reality yeah he does not believe that that exists yeah nothing is more powerful than me blah blah blah yeah and teclas is like no you know like he's dealing with the real threat here right uh you know it basically says i'm here to to to you know clean do some cleanup work so negash is definitely non-plust at his books getting destroyed and goes in and like just starts wailing on teclas and like has him very much on the ropes yep uh you know and teclas ends up pulling them out of that fight into the world between worlds yes like into a sort of between world little golden golden realm place they they punch for a bit right i mean i don't know how else to say this and then they're not mates yes they exactly they yeah they punch for a bit then they're mates they're not mates at the end of this now um they punch for a bit uh and negash continues to like be winning this fight in in melee yeah um because negash is ultimately a more devastating sort of melee combatant than teclas alone uh eventually they get knocked out of the little golden globe that they hit back into the real world yep and uh i'm trying to remember the exact beats like the spirit of the moon comes back right at some point here so yeah and like it's fine he doesn't really do anything sure um i mean that's not what he does show up to save the day so yeah it's not yeah it's not the the moon spirit or really even the elves right so uh in the end in fact the power of friendship does save the day because as well the wizards show up and you know and then they start blasting so anyways i started blasting yes the point is that they uh negash knocks teclas and himself back out of the fight and into the normal world and their there's a sort of subtext here that their forces are doing battle below them like the lumen ether fighting the i don't mean to undercut that the lumen ether fighting the the forces of death right and that battle is having a real effect on their battle above right if the obr swinging victorious it empowers negash if the if the lumen ether swinging victorious it empowers teclas and so on and so forth right so when they get back that battle is over uh yes and so the and uh they get back the lumeneth have one out and negash is ready to sort of uh i guess i don't know finish the job with teclas or something and then income the laser beams pew pew as over the hill uh victoriously rolls in all of the lumen arcs uh and the uh you didn't know yeah yeah all the lumen arcs and hurricanes roll over basically that zithis all war magi uh battalion rolls over like a bunch of those roll over the hill and just start laser beaming the living bejesers out of negash and that gives teclas a moment and then you know their power is combined basically they all the light destroys uh negash's form uh blows him up ghosty essence escapes yes and his little oily black ghosty essence is like sneaks back through the the portal back into uh shite and and then the the day is won as the cleanup happens there um yeah uh so teclas beaten bloodied but is victorious uh and uh but you know negash certainly had him on the ropes but in the end yeah the power of friendship wins out the care bear stair wins yep so you got to watch out for laser beams they're they're real scary and uh yeah and that basically brings us to the end of the story sort of where it uh leaves off i like kairos i'll get you next time gadget yes exactly that's the gosh is little oily black smoky essence sneaks away and uh and is like i'll be back um so he's gonna have to go reconstitute himself which will take an indeterminate narrative amount of time right uh but obviously the relevant an archon probably won't be back until the gosh comes back right so that you have a real shake up in the power structure of of death which is what we that's the drum that vent and i have been beating for how many years now so long is that because negash is basically weakened and out of the picture while he's reconstituting himself hence the soul like rave lords release that's coming so the sbg book is going to say like now that negash is sort of indisposed right and has been beaten we can see what we want yeah the fans are going to have a party like they're just they're they're just they're blood raving all day it's going to be like the opening scene from blade just all day just all day and then i then they're like and then we start eating people right right exactly uh so a couple other sites we should talk like i think that does directly set us up for everything we're going to see insult like rave lords and like the fact that um why are things the way they are right they're they're free now and free willed because negash is is unable to really control them and so on so forth right yep uh there are some interesting sites uh that we should talk about like teclas's conversation with uh allario talks with allario that's a really big one yeah so talk about that one tom because i think it is like a big deal yeah so basically like in the world between worlds teclas is just chilling because that's where he likes to like sit quietly or whatever um something gods do and he bumps into allario's consciousness there and he's like hey what's going on lady and she's like hey what are you doing why are you being an idiot you're wasting all this time and energies kicking a hornet's nest with with negash you know his season's gonna pass right she's like you know the end of the addition is coming why are you why are you wasting your time uh proclaiming the good news in chai and he's like well if i don't do it maybe it won't happen and very standard you know mansplaining you know uh well they basically have a discussion that reminds me of like the oracles talk in the matrix where she's like you know look this is gonna happen is what would really bake your noodles but would you still broken if i didn't tell you about it right or whatever because she's sort of preaching this kind of determinism of like look like like this seasonal determinism that she has right like things move in cycles this is just the natural order of things and she basically says life is on the rise and in such a way that teclas says are you sure you can control what you're going to unleash well right she's like life is on the resurgence or whatever and teclas is like you're playing with powers you can't control and that you don't understand and she's just like meh i just want to stop for a minute uh melissa davis mike if you're referencing gunship and that incredible video with the kin the vamps get a sweet heavily muscled sax player uh dark all day is a fantastic song i completely support that just make that that 100 yes i want the sax player yes okay anyway sorry that's like one of my all time favorite videos amazing anyways um okay so and you know she bases yes the season of life is coming and he says are you sure you're gonna be able to control it and that's she also drops the whole like there are much bigger threats there's a bigger fight going on out there like and why are you wasting your time with the gosh right and teclas is like because i have to and he's like you're and then he accuses her of playing games that she can't control yeah um so what do you think he's alluding to there i think i i generally think they're talking about cragnos and whatever that's going to and the the rise of destruction okay i think it works yeah that's yes absolutely like i think i think it is the rampant multiplication of orc yeah yes of orc yeah of the green tide that is swelling um and i think that i think that a laureal is probably trying to harness that you know to like to as like a counter punch like truly it is life abundant right it's the overflow of life which is the the multiplication of the orc e hordes and i think cragnos is going to be like that's going to be cragnos will be the lead-in to aos three we have all reasons to believe that aos three is going to be the rise of destruction right and it's just like this rampant destructive life going everywhere in probably a lot of different ways right right right and so i think that she's behind that and she's like yeah that negash death stuff that's old news we're all life all the time now and teclas is like probably not the best idea lady right yeah uh so i this is it's i think like overall i agree with so i we didn't mention it but dug did do a great narrative breakdown of this book and i did use my week of the week oh we are pick of the week a week or yeah we mentioned previous i mean we didn't mention during this segment um all link doug's videos series down there as well if you if you want his recap of it because he goes into a lot more detail than we did it's like an hour and a half of him just talking like through every single narrative beat yeah of the book yeah but uh i think i agree mostly with dug that act one and act three were kind of the strong parts although look i'm not gonna lie i did love what manfred did in act two i think it was super clever and fun and very man frity and he just moved up the ranks in my appraisal of the of the mortars let me say that he might be my favorite mortar now i'm i'm just throwing that out there okay you you know you do something so stupid and then you just go and completely redeem yourself uh it was great sorry dammit my friend he'll never like he'll never get redemption i'm okay first he gave us age of sigmar and now this his blessings are myriad and multiple so let me ask the next question what is the fight that techless was alluding to with regard to what terrian is doing i have no clue i i do not know so in that narrative if you go back and look at what negash accuses him of he accuses him of like making terrian blind yeah sure um and and and techless makes a like a repost something along i'd have to read read back to it but if i remember correctly about like him needing to be in order for the fight that he's engaged in or something all those lines like about the necessity of terrians blinds i think honestly i think terrians war is against uh the he who it has always been against okay i think it's malignant you think you like you think malarian is that big of a thing that he's going after i do i do and actually it's like another off-screen interscene order right and and i think and i think that it's it's move and counter move in the shadows and actually in like the mists of olgu sure and which is why we haven't seen any of the terrian stuff is i think that i think terrian is there hunting him down in the mists and that's why he doesn't need his eyes yeah because he's literally fighting uh like blindly fighting like a war where he doesn't need his sight sure um and so i like i like i took that very literally um that like i wonder if there's not like real because again so you have like in a very real sense most people look at the gods of light and say oh shadow or darkness is the counter right sure um and but what we saw here is that the enlightenment of teclas the counter to that is the darkness and the fear the enlightenment and hope of teclas the encounter to that is the darkness and fear of negosh the misery and hopelessness okay and so what i would argue is is that the that light and shadow conflict is the terrian malaria and fight i guess i don't know man and i and i know you you don't like that uh and maybe it may be scavener involved in that fight too who knows you know like again the shadow like it be the most boring answer what i mean by that is like i'm not saying you're wrong i'm saying i hope you're wrong okay like your your your explanation there completely like makes sense it's it's very reasonable what you're saying but in the end i just feel like that's the that's the who cares option of the story yeah because yes there was so just answer josh a real quick yes there is a malaria in illustration we we have a sort of weird picture of him in his big shadow demon type of form it was in the original core book it was like way back at the launch of aos they had that art it's kind of been reused a couple of times yep aos 2.0 and i it's cool oh no that was at one point yes it was yeah we got that way back originally and and we've seen nothing on it since that's fine but they've always been at each other's throats right and to just rehash that same story just feels really wrote right when instead it would be really interesting if tirion was doing something truly spectacular right if he was off fighting you know what's worse and more threatening than uh than negash the god of death the chaos gods to start okay yeah but to me that's boring because that's what everybody out like that's what's that's what said that's what sigmar is dealing with sure why is that in give me a new big bad right and my answer i'm proposing that malaria might truly be that big bad that's what i'm saying i don't i hope he's not because that's a real i don't know it doesn't feel like the best use of his character he should be somebody who is playing all sides all the time and and what i'm saying is that like i don't necessarily think malaria is going to be i don't think i think he's probably went out of everybody from the old world he's probably went through the greatest level of transformation of any of the characters like i don't think malaria is going to be a a order god i truly i truly think that um i think he will either be aligned with destruction or or chaos um and which which is truly going to be like a like i think that there will be a true unveiling that's going to happen you know here in the next season yeah that's fine let me give you my honest answer i would love a new real big bad something that is henceforth unrevealed no no no way bigger bell of course way too weak i when i when i mean a new big bad i mean like a new big bad okay i want something introduced that tirion has to go fight that he's like trying to wage this war against that he's trying to prevent from even coming to pass something from getting in here new chaos god from forming a complete new force of of destruction on the level of of the chaos gods like something be like gorka morca ascension type of thing like a super destruction god the re-ascension of an ultra god beast okay on the level of like original dracotheon you know the the the star drake of the heavens something like that some mega threat because i feel like the world would be well served by having a wild card big bad that's what i mean you and you don't think malaria can fill that role i don't because that's a boring thing for him this needs to be something like this needs to be something world mortal realms threatening scope and size so big so frightening that even like the great turn here would be even the chaos gods turn and go well what right and there's so many interesting things that you could do with that with that kind of a threat right and malaria isn't that malaria should be like a malaria should be a very potent threat in the world i'm not arguing with that he can stay in order he can go somewhere else i don't care i don't really care what thing he sits under all right what banner he's fly i'm positing is that he may have tampered with chaos or he may have he may have tapped deep into some otherness right sure some cthulhu ask other worldliness and he is not who he was and like so like he like he and his people have embodied a new deeper horror in the world that's fine but he's been in the pantheon for a long time he has conversations he shows up and talks to uh marathi in multiples of stories he's still functional he talks i mean he hangs out with the other elf gods on occasion in some of the stories okay but but not he does things he's not some other worldly cthulhuid entity that's not what he is okay unless unless unless that happens as part of the narrative that's what i'm saying like that's just not him like that's the worst case for him what's cool about malaria is his super shadow assassins and stuff like that right when the person is dead and is and has been killed and all of their blood drained like exorcist freestyle right the head was removed and all the blood was drained from the body and no and not a drop of blood was spilled and the office was locked from the inside you know that kind of crazy crap right him giving the the big fighting arena into azir where that's training up all the storm cast and gladiatorial combat and all the fighters of azir that he that then gives him a direct foothold that he can spy on right and see exactly what's happening in azir that's cool right malaria should be the ultimate master of shadows like this this deal worker this behind the scenes guy who you never know where he's really a legion to that one day he's fighting with order the next day he's like time teaming up with a corn force and you do what just he's really good at playing all the sides just like he did by the way in the end times when suddenly he got um the orc on his side what's his name can't remember is his name but he's dead now doesn't matter gringo thank you um you know that would be the coolest use of malaria make him like the ultimate mover and shaker the proactive force of the realms not just some big bad evil guy because his plans could sometimes be for the good like he ultimately i think he makes sense if he wants civilization to exist you know like sure now i hear that um my point is that we don't know and because we because uh gw's been so like tight-fisted with whatever's going on with him yeah and with terrian i suspect that those things are related yes thank you uh robert in the chat said he's low-key and yeah that's what i want i want like super low-key type of rolling right yes yes absolutely that's what i want out of out of out of malaria so anyways good stuff uh i love that we had this we got to this review the week before the next book come out let me say this tom i hope cragnos rolling in just as fast like i want to see pre-order this week this saturday so we get the book next week give me two weeks after that and announce the pre-order for cragnos like let's keep rolling it'll be mid may before we get cragnos which sounds like a mind just faces we'll jump to some 40k stuff we'll jump to we still need a soul light book to drop as well before um before the new uh before the new edition in july so yeah yes absolutely all right well there you go uh so uh with that that brings us to the end uh hope everybody enjoyed that hey give it a like if you did if you haven't already clicked like please do uh subscribe if you haven't already we'll be back next week of course as always we're talking about we're gonna do uh jp is gonna be on from uh the creator of listbot and it's going to be a data driven show boy oh boy if you're excited about some data that is going to be below in your mind whoo we are going to talk about data that will arguably shake the vision of how we understand the competitive aos world yes cragnos is a destruction god beast thing that's what he is but i'm sorry yeah um he's just uh it's going to be a really big deal next week and we might upset a lot of 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