 Boom. Anthony, how are you, dear sir? I'm fine, Chris, and thank you very much for guiding me on your program. And I must sort of quickly say, I've noticed you've got been awarded English Classroom of the Year, so congratulations on that. And mind you, you didn't need an award because a lot of people know what a lot of good work you do, so you know, well done on that. Yes, but let's be honest, Anthony, it's on behalf of all of us, isn't it? You know, friends at home, Anthony and I met. If we can say, you know, we're all aware of the last two years of shenanigans, some serious stuff intended for our children, and people stood up to the plate. You know, I was very proud to be a founding member of the Global Veterans Alliance who went on parade in London, we actually marched on Downing Street, and we gave the people hope that they're not on their own in their beliefs, that this is all, I'm just going to use the word nonsense, folks, right? And so when I got that award, Anthony, I was just thinking of all you guys, you know, you've served yourself in the TA, not just the military, I was thinking of all the people that supported my channel, that send me nice messages to say, Chris, keep it, you know, we get it, we get it, keep it, keep it up. And so yes, it's on behalf of everyone. And on that note, Anthony, just if you can just bear with me before we do proper introductions. I just want to show a video that our wonderful podcast manager, Luke, put together. Let's have a look at this one, friends. Oh, go away, Zoom. There we go. Let's have a look at this. So my name is Asa Winter, and I served for 14 years in the Queen's Royal Passage. I'm always the manager, and now the proud host of the T-shirt podcast, is the publisher of the project. And the winner is Chris Drum. That was me. That was... Sorry, I'm all over the place. That was me trying to do the etiquette, but not very well. We couldn't even get my tie, we couldn't even get my tie wrapped up. So we just said, right, let's go for it like this big, big, big flower on my throat. But Anthony, yes, so wonderful to chat today. As I said, we met guys behind the scenes when we was just trying to do a lot of stuff for the children. That was basically some very, very concerned individuals that put all their own time into this. We didn't get paid to go and have these meetings. And everybody networked and just tried to think of the best way forward. One thing I was very proud of or really gave me hope was we talked a lot about spirituality and how we can raise our own vibration without actually having to go out and hold a placard or march on Parliament. There's an awful lot we can do ourselves. So, Anthony, I think you're the first MP or can we say former MP? Former one, yes. Only for the small island of Guernsey. Oh, well, let's... Yes, all big credit. I don't want to call them as... But no, it's a wonderful place. I've not been there. Oh, well, it's well worth a visit, but unfortunately, all the Crown dependencies and the British overseas territories all had severe restrictions, the same as the UK. And in fact, in Guernsey, it was like into being worse than under the Nazi German occupation. So that's how bad it was for everyone. And people need to remember that, but that was the sort of regime we were under. But of course, all of us in the Freedom Movement, we did everything we could. Certainly, we had a petition which was successful, got over 100,000 signatures to have a referendum to repeal the Coronavirus Act. We were not given that debate because the government argued that they'd got rid of most of the restrictions. But it does show that if people get together signed petitions, plus do lots of other work, which we all did, you can have some success put the pressure on the government to change being dictatorial. Yes. And on that note, let's just say another massive thank you to everyone that got involved. It was Fiona. Fiona Rose Diamond was leading the protest. She got, I think she was arrested. She had like six court cases just for being a human being. That is it. Didn't break any law, nothing. There was Louise also from the other rights movement. I mean, Chris, to be honest, there's been absolutely loads and plenty of unsung heroes as well. And you have to bear in mind there've been a lot of people who've been on the borderline of being arrested. I mean, I remember being on one of two protests where we had a few warnings from the police. And fortunately, we didn't we didn't get arrested. But one of the key things to remember is if you are arrested and you're responsible for leading a protest, you're taken out of action. So there's it's a good idea to to make sure you're not arrested or if you are making sure there are other people who can carry on with things because sometimes you get somebody arrested. And the protest falls flat because the key people are taken out of the picture. Yes, sorry. Anthony, I should apologize to you and also the people at home that don't understand. I've got three screens going on here and I'm trying to keep up with the people in the chat. Get some information up here. So I can imagine it probably looks a bit rude that I'm always looking around and I don't mean it. Yes. So on that note, just just to everybody out there, just remember we all did a little bit, didn't we? You know, we all we, you know, some some more than others and God, God, God, bloody bless them, you know, it. Can you see now, Anthony, all the people that were the perpetrators of this draconian Orwellian mind state that we've had. They're all trying to like jump ship now. Now they realize that there's guys we're going to be careful what we say here. Okay. But now it's blatantly obvious through is it the yellow card system or whatever that that that people are suffering. You know, they from their life choices. Yes, I guess I think that is the case but there's also plenty still on board and plenty in the mainstream media and plenty who is still protected by the mainstream media. And of course, we have got this balance how it's public inquiry into how the COVID pandemic so to speak is managed by the government. And that will probably be a white wash but we've got to do our best on that but what that inquiry is not doing is looking into the issue of COVID-19 vaccine sort of injury. This Monday, the 24th of October, we've got a successful parliamentary petition where they will be debating setting up a public inquiry into COVID-19 vaccine safety. So a big well done to all the people who signed that petition. And obviously, as we know, if something is debated in parliament for these petitions, it doesn't make the government actually do anything. But what it will do is highlight the issue. And Chris, you mentioned the other card reporting system. Well, we know that's a totally inadequate system because it reports between depending upon the area between three and nine cases of jabbing per thousand. And what one really needs what any responsible government should be ensuring that there's, you know, feedback on every single one given because there was so many adverse reactions. And this is still, you know, a situation where it's, they're not going to be officially considered for approval by the MRHA until 2023. So this is not just this. It should be any vaccine or drug. They should be properly assessed and trialled. But people should remember Monday, the 24th will be outside parliament. And later on, we will be socializing to, you know, celebrate the successes our movements have had. You know, sometimes we sort of gloss over these things and forget that if we hadn't all stood up over the last couple of years, we might well still be under draconian regulations. The thing we have got to do is remember that we still have threats on our freedoms and liberties. There are a number with bills being in parliament at the moment. And this is why the freedom there means got what's called operation overreach to stop the overreach of government powers in these areas. And of course, we've had an overreach of government powers in respect of getting involved in this proxy war in Ukraine. And it's unbelievable what the government has actually got away with because they've got no mandate to get this country involved in what started off in a small way, a small proxy war. And it's become not just a proxy war, but even more than that, almost like a real war. And there's been in not even in the current Prime Minister's leadership manifesto. And this is why we started a petition for the people that decide on this so that the people decide whether they want the UK to be involved in this this conflict, or whether they want the UK to be neutral, which of course is is actually in the UK's rather than British citizens interest to be neutral. But we've got this situation where I think it's absolutely bizarre where the government is saying to these agency government don't do a peace deal with Russia until you've driven them out of Ukraine. And, you know, basically they want to harm Russia. Yet, these very same people were saying we should be doing a deal with the Taliban, and they did do a deal with the Taliban. Now, you look at the situation in Afghanistan, not only by withdrawing from Afghanistan, they'd be let down 26 million Afghan people because we destroyed their hopes for freedom, education for women, general human rights and so on, of course, democracy. We actually involved negotiations with the Taliban and refused the Afghan government to be involved in them. And then, so it's all right to do a deal with the devil, so to speak, but you're not allowed to do a deal with with Russia, which is a democratic Christian country. And basically, you could argue they're more democratic than the Ukraine, because Ukraine doesn't allow opposition parties and has shut down media, which is sort of representative, you know, opposing point of view. And we did have this highlighted when there was a delegate at the Labour Party conference recently, when he was suspended for saying that, you know, the Labour Party shouldn't be supporting the Conservative government's policies on Ukraine. So it's absolutely imperative that we have proper debate on the Ukraine. And what's happening is, if we remember all the media control where it was during the COVID situation, we've got an extension of that media control regarding Ukraine. I mean, I'm sure you've noticed and plenty of other people have noticed that an alternative point of view on Ukraine is just not allowed at all. You won't get it on question time, you won't get it on any programme at all. And he didn't really get it at the party conferences without people being shut down. And the reason they don't want an alternative point of view put forward is that if it is, then it exposes the government's Ukraine policy as absolutely rivalled with holes not in the public interest and not in the interests of the UK as, you know, in the world situation. Anthony, let's come on and talk about Ukraine. What I just want to do, and I hope this is all right, folks, just want to play a little video from the last couple of years just to acknowledge the veterans that step forward to protect the children. Everyone did so at their own. You know, we were ridiculed, we were called every name and we're tougher than that. So it's not an issue. But, you know, I just hope we can get a bit of pause for thought here, folks, that some of us spoke out about this right from the beginning. Just going to play a little, this is the Global Veterans Alliance marching on Downing Street. It was a very special day. All completely peaceful, folks. We're not, we're peace, love and empathy all the way. But I like to think that, well, I don't like to think it was because of actions like this, veterans that stood up to the plate, that I think we saw a turn in the tide, certainly with the NHS who we step forward to protect. Antony, if you can just bear with us a second, my friend. Let's have a look at this. And here's the wonderful Matt, who was absolutely staunch in everything he did for the GVA. Thank you, Antony. Just some very special people there, you know, some really special, and we've got to remember everybody that's, for me, it's really simple. You stand up for kids, or you don't. And what does that make you? Yes, just incredible, incredible. It is, and very well done. And, you know, the thing is, without those sort of efforts, how much would we have achieved? And, you know, what we've got to remember is we can't stand down yet because we've got even bigger threats. You know, they haven't even given up on that one yet anyway. But what more and more people are realizing is that we have a big threat to our freedoms with the way this government is handling the conflict in the Ukraine. And everything's sort of interconnected. So we have got sort of issues ahead. So yes, over to you for your next question sort of thing. Well, Antony, what I wanted to ask is, you're such a lovely gentleman, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, you know, how come you're fighting for the children when most MPs are too busy like looking at their expense account and, you know, what's your motivation? Well, I think it's the same as yours, Chris, and the same as many other people in the freedom movement. But if you look at a lot of the electric representatives in Parliament and say local authorities, there are one or two people who do stand up, but they barely get mentioned in the media. So we do need to support those ones. You've got people like Christopher Chope and, you know, one or two others. But, you know, what we have to bear in mind is, even when people in local authorities stand up, they might even get no platform by their local media. And I don't know if you remember when the Freedom Campaigns first started, but I'll give you an example not far away in Leicester. I was trying to get hold of one of the local groups and discovered that there were three groups in Leicester who didn't actually even know about each other because the media was not giving any publicity to them. And that was happening throughout the UK, a deliberate policy, which did slow down the growth of the freedom movement. So I think there's a policy of assumption with MPs and so on that there's the assumption that they will support the policies. And the way things were presented were such that it was very difficult for MPs to go out of line. And of course, the party leadership discouraged going out of line to the extent that they were, you know, threatened with losing their party whip, et cetera, et cetera. Now you may remember in the lead up to us having lockdowns and closing down schools, there were two parliamentary petitions set up, actually asking for lockdowns and actually asking for the schools to be closed down. And these petitions actually got a few hundred thousand signatures each. But would you believe that they were actively promoted in local and national media. And I thought to myself, with all the propaganda, if that's all the signatures they got, they didn't do that well, but it was all the lead up to say, well, the public want these things so therefore we've got to have lockdown. And we've got exactly the same with a petition calling for the general election at the moment to solve the economic crisis. And that's been promoted everywhere, including places like GB news. And that's got over 600,000 signatures. And the idea is to manipulate the public to think that a solution is in a certain direction, i.e. holding a general election. Whereas in fact, we're about to see make no difference whatsoever to the policies in the Ukraine, because the Labour Party's got the same policies as a Conservative Party. Now what's happened is the petition we've started to have a referendum on the UK being neutral in Ukraine has been blatantly no platform by local and national media. It's also repeatedly the most shadow banned petition there's ever been. And the reasons for that is the government are well aware that if the knowledge of this petition gets out there, then we'll suddenly get thousands of signatures, like any petition which is promoted and inevitably gets support because people know about it. But the key thing is they don't want the public out there to know there's an alternative point of view. They don't want debates on it because the debate really would kill the government's policy. So what we've got to do in the freedom movements is do our best to promote this petition, because it's not just what is actually in British interest. What it is, is letting the people decide what is in British interest because this issue has never had any mandate from the public. This is a classic issue of something which should go before a referendum. And if you think about it, the serious consequences of EU membership, we eventually got a referendum on that. The conflict in the Ukraine is as important as the EU membership situation. You only have to look at already the government has spent nearly 8 billion pounds on arms and so called aid to Ukraine. And at the same time, they're now saying they're going to be cutting services, local or national services, and they're saying they're going to be having to increase taxes even though they just decrease them. But more to the point is the consequences of the Ukraine policies, sanctions against Russia and so on. They've all been self-defeating because they barely affected Russia's economy, but it's been a calamitous effect on the UK economy. We've had major rises in the cost of living. We know about the rises in the price of energy, price of fuel. We've seen increasing inflation, interest rate rises. The absolute mayhem of the costs involved are beyond belief. Now, for a government to say the people must suffer for so-called freedom and democracy in Ukraine is sort of pretty outrageous because they've got no mandate for this. But I think we need to call out the government and say, well, where is this freedom and democracy in Ukraine? Because they basically don't have it. They don't allow opposition parties. They don't allow a free media. And ironically, the only referendum they've been in Ukraine, they've been in the Crimea, in the eastern parts of Ukraine, where they've had a referendum on becoming part of Russia. Now, what the people of the Ukraine deserve is a referendum on whether they should actually sign a peace deal with Russia, because unfortunately the Ukrainian people are the pawns in this whole sort of scenario. And if there's this policy of assumption, and it's put across very much in the UK, that all the Ukrainians want to fight this war till the death, which is just absolute nonsense. And, you know, anyone who's humanitarian and has got a sense of morals should be saying, well, what is actually in the Ukrainian people's best interest? Because they could have signed a deal back in April, which had brought the online report, it was called the Minsk Agreement, which would have ensured safety and stability for the Ukraine. But guess who went to the Ukraine in April? Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, with a few billion in his pocket, and basically advised the Zelensky government to not sign the deal and to carry on fighting. And ironically, whenever there will be a deal signed, the Ukraine will be in a worse situation than they would have been if they'd actually signed a deal then. And I think we do need to have a big debate about what's going on in Ukraine, and should the British people suffer just because the government wants to get involved in this war. And, you know, I'll just give you an example. It was costing us about one billion to be in Afghanistan in the final years we were there. It said that we only needed three and a half thousand forces to remain in Afghanistan, and that would have kept the psychological imperative for the Afghan army to carry on fighting and to be able to deal with the Taliban. And once the decision was made to actually leave, the morale dropped tremendously, and of course we know certain Middle Eastern countries who were funding the Taliban, they gave the money to bribe people in the Afghan armed forces to not fight. And the Taliban never actually won any battle. They were just given power, very sadly by the Trump administration, and the Biden administration basically just made things worse. But my point is that it was costing us a billion a year to maintain safety and security in Afghanistan. Before we even had the years out, we spent eight billion on the Ukraine. The Afghan conflict didn't cost us any economic chaos. The Ukraine conflict in eight months has virtually devastated our economy. We've got businesses going on as we speak, and we're in an untenable position because even with the government giving financial support to people with energy bills and businesses and so on, which of course is not the government giving it, it's the taxpayer giving it, which they'll have to pay for in borrowing. But that is not sufficient. You need double the amount of help, and even this help given is only for a short time. For businesses, it's only been for about six months. For the energy, it's been for up to two years, but we have to bear in mind the energy prices have gone up anyway, so the way above what they should be. So we're going into these winter months with people facing absolutely severe hardship, not just with their energy costs, but general costs of living, economic chaos and so on. What is worse, we're going to have a reduction in services provided by local and national government, and that is absolutely terrible. And it would absolutely need a huge amount of money to go from the central government to local governments to make up a difference, because one thing which is very clear. If you're a local school, and you have to buy materials, all those materials cost a lot more than they did before. It's the same with supplies for the NHS or any service local or national provided by local or national government. Everything costs more, yet they're expected to pay for those things with the same or a reducing budget. So, inevitably, those services are going to be reduced. And I invite anyone listening to chat with their local authority to see if they're planning to make some cuts or efficiency savings as they like to call them. But we must be standing up and saying, no, we're not going to have our services cut. We demand an end to this Ukrainian policy. It's not in our interests. It's not in the interests of the Ukrainian people, not in the interests of Russian people. And in fact, if you look at the wider world, the majority of the world is actually not sanctioning Russia. Seven-eighths of the people in the world are not sanctioning them. And you've got many countries in the world doing their own deals with Russia. So, to give an example, we had a vote in the UN condemning Russia and the referendums in Eastern Ukraine. And I think about 35 countries have sayings, and there are a number of countries which supported it and a number of countries supported Russia. But the key thing is a number of those countries who supported the condemnation are countries who are doing trade deals with Russia. So, a lot of these votes in the UN mean absolutely nothing at all. What one has to do is look at what is actually happening in reality. And the trouble is the mainstream media are misleading the public because they try and get the impression that the world, so to speak, is all against Russia. Whereas in fact, most of the sensible countries in the world are looking after their own interests and the interests of their people. And it is very sad because in the past the UK has had a lot of respect in the world. And we could, and we still could in fact, you know, take on the role of being a peacemaker in Ukraine. But we certainly can't do that at the moment with this absolutely aggressive policy, warmongering. I mean, we never had that aggressive language used in respect to the Taliban in Afghanistan. So why are suddenly, you know, everything to do with Russia and Russian people, their Bodhi people, so to speak. And, you know, this goes against all the things in the past, both the Labour and Conservative parties have been very much against sort of discriminating against people and, you know, causing hatred. And this is exactly what they're doing at the moment, they're causing hatred, which is not really acceptable because we all know in a conflict situation, nobody is absolutely perfect. You have people who engage in the conduct of war in as far as possible, you can be in an ethical way, and you do get the odd situation where some people fall in line. But generally, the countries responsible for such people, they do deal with people who are, you know, acts on an ethically. But what we've had in the Ukraine is that we've had a huge amount of propaganda about so-called Russian atrocities, which when you look into them, they're never proven. But apparently the Ukraine never ever, you know, have atrocities, even though, you know, they've been bombing the civilians with our weapons in eastern Ukraine for some time now. But we need to have a sense of some balance and proportion and rationality, I think, regarding the Ukraine. But I think, you know, regarding the petition, everyone can help by, you know, either in the local situation or the national situation, engage with MPs, local councillors, engage on social media. Because virtually every problem we've got these days, whether it's to do with businesses closing down, interest rates, the economy, cost of living, they're all related to the policy in Ukraine. Now, we know that there are other things before that, the overzealous approach to net zero and the huge amount of money the government spent on the COVID-19 situation is well over 400 billion. So we already had in place a lot of damaged cause to our finances and our economy. But then on top of that, and if you look at the situation since February when we got involved in Ukraine, that's when the real calamity is hit. But we have some people who want to justify supporting the war in Ukraine by trying to pretend that the Ukrainian war has not really cost us that much. And to me, such people reveal themselves as being on the side of the globalist and reality, and in the category of being what one calls controlled opposition. And I think anyone who's a genuine Democrat would say, yes, of course, this is an issue which deserves to go to the public as a referendum. And that's what democracy is all about to let the people actually decide. And it doesn't matter if you actually do support the government side, but all means try and put the government side forward. And those of us who support freedom of democracy do want debate on these things, but we're not getting it to the moment, that's a trouble. We're not. There's an awful lot more to this as well, Anthony, isn't there? Yes. Of the back of two years of absolute insanity. And let's just take the veteran's perspective. It's not, I don't always do this, Anthony, but as an example, Jesus Christ, these guys have already been for, you know, we've had 20 years of illegal conflict and all the horrors they're in. We've then had people locked in their homes and I spoke to a veteran the other night and they said, Chris, it was just the worst thing for me, you know, at a time in my life where I was struggling to get to grips with my trauma. Suddenly, I can't speak to my friends. I can't visit my mother. Now, economically, because we're giving basically we're giving all the money to the arms companies, right, and they laugh, they laugh in their asses off us because we're all, you know, sadly, the intelligence of the average person these days is pretty bloody dimwitted. Yes, I think you're right on that. And of course, there's less money to support people who are in difficulty, whether they're ex veterans or whatever. And what will be said, oh, well, this is all the fault of Putin's war, forgetting about the fact that the countries which are neutral. They were near have the problems we've got. And forgetting about the fact that it's actually our government's policy on the Ukraine. Not the fact that there's a war in Ukraine. You know, you could argue that that if there's a war conflict in any other parts of the world that somehow it was affecting our economy. Well, the only reason it's affecting our economy is because we've been inflaming the situation there. There would be some justification to put that argument across if we'd be neutral than if we've been trying our best for peace. But it's interesting how we're quite happy to let Saudi Arabia carry on with their war in Yemen and, you know, let the arms companies make huge profits there. But it's perfectly all right for arms companies to make a fortune out of the Ukraine conflicts. And of course, now the Zedansky governments has got compulsory national service for all their men. There's going to be a lot more cannon foddle, unfortunately. You know, one of the reasons why they're shutting down our position there is because, you know, they've got a few sort of Ukrainian oligarchs who are basically benefiting a great deal from this war. And I don't think you'll see them in the front line. So, you know, the poor, you know, people here put in for cannon fodder is just really sort of unacceptable. And we should be doing our bit to promote peace, but there's never ever been any military or economic interest or even treaty that the UK has in respect to the Ukraine. The only benefit that the Ukraine has been the United Kingdom is similar to the benefit of trading with Russia, that there's a lot of raw materials, foodstuffs, many, many valuable materials in fact, but they're a benefit to the whole world. So for us to sort of prolong the conflict there, we've actually made things worse, not just for ourselves, you know, look at just fertilizer, one example, you know, having less availability, higher price does affect a lot of countries in the world. So, we should be doing our best to end the conflict. And, you know, the Bible, it says best it on the peacemakers, well, that's not allowed to apply in respect to Ukraine. So, you've got the situation where people like Ben Wallace, who's the Defence Secretary, giving comments and acting as though the country is actually at war. Well, you know, if you want to be at war with the country, you've got to have the Defence Authority, and I would say these days you've got to have the People's Authority as well. But, you know, it's absolutely horrendous what is actually going on at the moment. And, you know, it's, I think it's very sad if we have got some of our military who are being surreptitiously employed in the Ukraine, because I think we know with a lot of military scenarios that, you know, when you ask for volunteers, that it's, you know, quite often difficult to not volunteer. But then, of course, they'd be told, if they were captured, that they were there unofficially for some other reason, there was nothing to do with the British Government. And I think it's such a waste of our well-trained professional military who have got many other tasks they could be doing in the world. And in fact, over the years, the British military have done some brilliant tasks over the years. But to get them involved in this sort of rather wicked proxy war is actually an abuse of them as individuals. Yes. It's an abuse of the British military because the taxpayer never agreed to this actual conflict. And I don't think people signed up for the military to be involved in some dirty war, which is going to be, you know, benefiting a very small number of well-off vested interests. And, you know, there are so many reasons why this issue needs to be debated. You know, this is another reason why out there in the media there needs to be, you know, the other side of the story put. And, you know, the reason it isn't is that one of the governments is basically got no nil argument. And anyone who's tried having a social media argument on the issue of Ukraine will find that they will easily win it because the other side just has got nil argument, apart from saying, well, we've got to stop this Putin, he'll take over the whole world. You know, it's just not based on any evidence whatsoever. But what we've got to concentrate on is democracy, what is in the interest of the UK, and indeed, you know, what's in the interest of the world as well. Oh, Anthony, so much stuff to unpack. I would add also, Chris, that we're talking about this referendum and the use of referendum. A lot of people don't know that it's actually easier to get a local referendum in your parish or local authority. And you can do that for two main reasons, one on the issue of finances and one, the other is on the issue of environmental aspects. So there's plenty of opportunity there for people to get the signatures for local referendum, because if it missed the criteria, the local authority actually had to give one. And that can be on the basis that anything which is supporting the government's policy on the Ukraine is not accepted in that local authority, because of course it's meaning cuts in services and so on. So, you know, anyone who wants advice on that I can sort of privately give it to them, but there are many other fronts we can fight on, on the petition front. But it's absolutely imperative that anyone listening gets friends, colleagues to promote this Ukraine petition. And in particular, if they know somebody who's got a good following, because it only needs one person with a good following and suddenly got five or 10,000 people signing. So, any help? Anthony, let's just mention, folks, the link for the petition is in the description for this video wherever you're watching this video. I've just put it in the chat. I'm going to put it in the chat again now. Let's get this shared. Anthony, when you look at the last two years and you look at Ukraine, if you're an able-minded person, jeez, the psychopaths have literally taken over the show. You know, they got people on remote pollination islands that had never seen a Westerner wearing their underpants on their face, right? This is everybody, the world, not local governments, not local initiative, no, a centralized control. Some would call it the new world order that literally they nailed everybody on the planet. Now, it's so blatantly obvious what's happening in Ukraine, but I guess, Anthony, the thing is that you and I have a bit of background on it. You know, I wouldn't even start speaking unless I did my research. I read about the, you know, the Second World War, I read about Crimea, I read about the, you know, the fighting alongside Germany's troops and all this kind of stuff. But two things I'll say it. Right at the beginning of this conflict, I spoke to, let's just say, a certain connection of mine who's in the British military, and I'll say no more, and they were running weapons across the border in private cars, you know, and when I said to him, like, why? And he just looked at me, he's a fucking Putin, innit? And I'm like, do you fucking believe that shit? You know, what are you, don't you have your own mind to like, look at what you're being told and that's a crock, right? And I said to him, you surely can't think you're going to defeat the might of the Russian Empire, or were we in the same military? You know, and he looked at me and went, oh yeah, we won't, will we? No, of course you won't. Of course you won't, but it's, it's, I just, the point I want to make, Anthony, is that the psyche, I call them the, well, I had a friend, I had a great chat with David Ike a couple of days ago, right? We've put it on our locals platform, the unedited version because it's really important we get to the bottom of who is behind these events. Because it's clearly not Liz Truss, because, you know, no disrespect, but silly schoolgirl comes to mind. You know, it's clearly not Boris Johnson, because again, no disrespect. Well, Liz Truss will probably be out, I originally said she'd be gone by Christmas, but I think it will be before then. But basically, they, they, they, they do what they're told. And, you know, it's sad, but I always, I did actually say Boris Johnson would be gone, which he has done, but they know that they'll be locked after when they're out of office. And this is one of the problems we have when they go to streams in following policies, which look at this one, because they know it doesn't matter if they lose office or whatever, because they're going to be given some plum job in the international field after all of that. And this is what we need to stop, because people are getting away with this mad world they're creating. They're not going to prison, which a lot of them should do. They're going on to perhaps an even better paid job. And this is where, if you look at the freedom movement, we're getting stronger all the time. We, we, we, you look back over two years ago, we are hardly anything very fragmented. Now, all the groups are talking to one another. That's all increasing. We can get stronger. And we've obviously got to get involved in the political scene as well. Looking ahead, we can bring about a situation where people who are responsible for doing a lot of these evil things do actually get called to count. And that's really important. I mean, you mentioned your military connection. Well, you know, you could ask, well, why aren't the military snaking arms into the anti Taliban resistance in Afghanistan? I know for an absolute fact, because I asked the question that the government is giving nil support to the anti Taliban resistance. Now, you look at that, we give 8 billion, 8 billion to Ukraine where there's no interest whatsoever, not much democracy. We give absolutely nothing to the anti Taliban resistance, which for whatever people thought about the Afghan conflict, which was 20 years of sacrifice of our service people. And of course, Afghans as well. It was in a sense a more honorable cause because even though Afghanistan is actually a corrupt country, we were making inroads. They had become a democracy and life was a lot better education and everything else. A lot of good things which came about, but all that sacrifice was just thrown in the bin by the absolutely disgraceful deal with the Taliban. And what happened in Afghanistan is an example of how these globalists actually were really don't care even about millions of people. And the same with Ukraine, they don't care about the Ukrainian people. They can suffer as much as they like, you know, they want their objectives. And of course, one of the key objectives is to reduce the power of Russia. But one of the things we've got to watch out for is just before this trust became prime minister when she was prime secretary. She went to a conference where the Ukrainian government were arguing that they needed about 360 billion to rebuild their country. And this trust is actually committed to helping with that. Now, that's absolutely an appalling situation to connect the UK to that because we've never committed to helping with reconstruction in countries where we have actually been involved like Iraq, Syria, Libya and so on. So why should this exception be made with Ukraine? But it's all, I argue that the government and the opposition have what is called a Ukraine the first policy. And that is so wrong because the British public are suffering, the world public are suffering because it's actually a wrong policy. But it's not a policy which is in the interest of everyone at all. And part of the problem is this huge control that the Gropus festive interests have of the media and they have it through the privatised media and they have it very far the state-owned media as well. Black Rock and Vanguard own all the shares. Oh, yes. That's right. A lot of people think we have a free media in this country. Now, ironically, there probably are ways we could make the BBC act on behalf of the people, Channel 4 and so on, but it's more difficult with the privatised ones because they are actually owned by, you know, generally the guy-briss type corporations and individuals. But it is something we need to do because we haven't got a free media at the moment and that's a problem. I don't know where to begin there, Anthony, because I'm of the genuine belief that we refer to it on this show as the global cult, the global mafia. Well, they're not all at it, but if we can say the average person in the street are not going to understand this because you really need to have your eye on the ball and you want to care about the future of humanity and we talked about Afghanistan. Let's just not forget, folks, the monumental event that led us into Afghanistan, referred to by the Project for the New America. Chris, can you just carry on talking? I've just got to quickly have a break, won't be a second. No, no, no, no, I was going to say naughty joke there. I thought he was going to get the crack pipe out. Thank you, Anthony. Yes, folks, let's not be under any illusion. We remember the event that took us into Afghanistan to allegedly oust the old, you know, terrorist type people. And then of course, what did we do 20 years later, just left and gave them all our weapons. It's interesting. These conversations are interesting. I do find myself questioning how many people really get it. And for that, you've got to go back to ancient Babylon. Look, there we go. The Babylonian, whoa, fantastic book, folks, all about the control of the money system. But the psychos, they think they've got it good, don't they? They think we're all a bit stupid. We can't see what's going on. But what I'm feeling, I'm like literally feeling it now is people are starting to get it. You know, there is hope, folks. I'll tell you categorically, we have got this. I don't do any other, I don't go second place to nobody, right? We have got this. I do understand, though, how people can get upset and dismayed and the constant blatant, flagrant violation of human rights from these psychopaths, you know, or sociopaths. Like, I get it, but remember, stand firm because love wins the day. It's just light will triumph over the darkness. Love will win the day. And this is why this conversation today is just, Anthony, thank you so much, you know. Thank you so much for being kind enough and to care, you know. Well, you're so right with what you say, Chris. And what we need to bear in mind is the powers against us are not as strong as they actually may count. Now, you look at, say, social media, for instance, the powers that the employee fake media accounts, they get up to all sorts of dirty tricks to give the impression that lots of people are on their side. But when you investigate these things, they're not really. And as you say, we're growing in strength. And what we've got to be is, you know, be stronger and be forthright and be determined and not hide in the corner. Now, I can say what happened when this Ukrainian conflict first came up is a number of us initially because of the propaganda were, you know, slightly sympathetic to the Ukrainian position. You know, we quickly realize that there's more to it than that. And like you, Chris, a lot of people have done their research and discovered that what we're presented by the media is not the actual case. But I would say to anyone listening, when things come up on local radio or national media, or whatever, and it's to do with Ukraine, just say why are you not inviting the alternative point of view on Ukraine. Now, there's plenty of us in the freedom movements who can put those points of view forward. And we're basically getting no platformed. And I think the very fact that we're being no platformed is a reason on its own to sign the petition, because the petition is all about democracy about having a referendum. And I've noticed that some people on the other side have said, oh, it's just supporting Russia. It's not at all. It's supporting democracy. It's not saying we should take the Russian side. It's saying that the British people should decide what is in their best interests. You know, it's as simple as that. And we just got to be more forthright. As you said, coming out of these last couple of years, we've effectively achieved victory, not 100%. And what we have got to do is make sure that this second round, which is to do with the Ukrainian situation, we actually find this one very hard. And, you know, just very unfortunately, we've got some people who would, you know, a little bit helpful with the coronavirus situation are actually saying that they support these landscape government. And that's very worrying indeed, because the priority of any reputable British party should be what's in the interests of the British people. And I don't mean that in a narrow way. I mean that in a broad, compassionate way. You know, Britain has always had a reputation of being fair throughout the world in people who criticize the British Empire. If you look at things in detail, the British Empire was very, very beneficial in many parts of the world. But we really do need to stand up and insist on debates and get a change of this policy. Say that with the petition we have written to the MPs. And if anyone wants a copy of this letter which they can send to their own MP themselves, I can certainly arrange that for them because MPs generally don't take much notice of campaigns, because their job is to deal with constituency inquiries. So if a constituent sends an inquiry in, please, you know, think again about the Ukrainian policy, they will have to respond because they have to deal with their constituents. But they are actually allowed to say that if you're not a constituent, then they're not going to deal with the issue. So it's more difficult for MPs to be got to deal with campaigns, but we just got to do everything we can in our power. And we all sort of feed off the energy of each other, and we're all motivated by each other. So there's a lot to be said about strength and numbers. We had over a million in that march in London not that long ago. We've had many, many hundreds of thousands in marches. And now we need to get the same sort of support regarding the Ukraine situation, because if you think about it is absolutely madness to continue with the policy which is destroying the country. I mean, you know, it's like fiddling while Rome burns. And I think more and more people will wake up, you know, asking the question, what are we involved in this conflict for. And the same with the Ukrainian fault is what I'll be actually fighting for because that as you said earlier against the rise might of the Russian army, there's no chance they're going to succeed. All they do is, you know, wasting their lives. And you look back to some of the terrible situations like in the First World War, where there was sort of mass slaughter of young innocent blood. Do we in the UK want to have blood on our hands because we're fueling this conflict. We the taxpayer paying for arms, you know, someone very, very deadly, which not any kill military but are being used against civilians as well because the Zelensky government unfortunately is not called to come by its backers. If they if they bomb civilians and attack civilians with our salary and so on, which they have done for some years, that's completely ignored by the media, whereas if there's any Russian bombing or shelling. Even when it's all legitimate military targets, they somehow seem to find some film saying that civilians have lost their lives, forgetting about the fact that far more civilians have lost their lives in areas bombed by Ukraine than than the other way around. But what one we've all noticed now is that whenever there's a question mark about the Ukrainian policy, suddenly there's this new alleged atrocity by the Russians, and they're also evil, etc, etc. So therefore, we've got to give more help to the Ukraine to help combat this. So it's all a disaster situation. It's just insane. And this will all be done under professed like Christianity or some lame excuse and as anybody knows, if anyone who understands the scriptures or whatever and I'm not like a religious person at all, but I do I do like to understand what what history has written and what I understand is is peace is the only way. Loving your brothers and sisters is the only way otherwise you're a bit of a problem bloody idiot. You know you can't just go bombing your way just because you get a bit upset about something. Exactly. And I think there's been this perception put across that somehow all the British military support this awful conflict in Ukraine forgetting about the fact that the role of the military is often to be peacemakers to be the people who bring about peace. And it is again this policy of assumption, assuming that everyone supports the government point of view which is actually a pretty terrifying situation because it does away with debate and accountability. And one of the big problems we've got with the Ukraine with all the money which has been given to them. And we already know that a number of the armistice, not part of the Ukrainian army they've actually been sold elsewhere. But also the, a lot of the aid so to speak, there's no accountability. Now you might remember, most of the viewers will remember that there have been instances when we've given foreign aid where even some of the national media said this money has gone into the wrong hands. Well, we're not providing accountability for where this aid to Ukraine is going. And it does, does add fuel to the people who say that giving money to Ukraine is like a money laundering operation. And in fact, again the mainstream media did not mention the fact that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. So, you know, our government is supporting a government in the world which is one of the most corrupt countries. So it's, it's, you know, if there are British values and I'm sure Chris, we'd have slightly different values to those the government actually puts across, but the government's values are the values that seek them at the time, more often than not sort of made up. But I would like to know what values that the Zelensky government actually represents, which are so much in line with why we would want to defend them. But, you know, it is quite possible that looking ahead in time that when this conference is over. Zelensky is because he's a very well off millionaire billionaire. He's living in some some spot somewhere in the world. And some of his cronies are as well. They've all got off scot-free and the poor Ukrainian people have suffered. And, you know, that is the mindset we need to change that people who sort of acts as the tools of growth is vested interest. They shouldn't be allowed to have this perception that they're going to be looked after. And, you know, I've often thought that when Boris Johnson was in charge and some of the awful things he put the country through, he sort of always knew that he'd be looked after, you know, when he stepped down as as prime minister and so on. And we've got to have a situation where people are called to account for the damage they've actually done to not just our country, but the world in general. But, you know, we have to remember that, you know, going back to the COVID scenario, there were a small number of countries in the world, which did not have the same policies as the UK. They didn't have lockdowns. They didn't have mass force COVID-19 vaccines. And they didn't have all sorts of other things. And their death rates were absolutely thermally below those of the UK for COVID related deaths. So that truth is starting to come out. But what we do need to do is make sure the truth regarding the Ukraine comes out. One of the problems we have got with this is the government deliberately makes us fight on, you know, half a dozen fronts at the same time. And if there was just one front on at the moment, we'd all be focusing on the Ukraine. We'd be out in the streets regarding Ukraine. But the problem is we are having to fight other issues as well. And that is affecting our strength. But it is coming to the point where the cost of having a situation is so dire that we are going to have to get out on the streets as well as do the signing of petitions. You know, a bit like funny enough when people, a million people went on the streets regarding the Iraq war. I mean, ironically, at the time, I was one of the ones who was taken in by the propaganda. And I didn't, it didn't occur to me that the government wouldn't have had a plan of action as to how to govern Iraq after the invasion. So I think a lot of us can be gullible, but if we're honest enough to admit we had it wrong, then, you know, that's the crucial thing. But at the moment, a lot of the people in the media and the government are too frightened to admit they got it wrong, because, you know, the jobs would be at stake and everything else. But what we need in the freedom movement is the financial resources to take the odd person to court and follow things through. Because once we're seen as having strength, then you'll get more people on the side. And, you know, to give you an example, we don't really follow through properly components where the media has told on truth. And the reason for that is some of us do do it, but we haven't got the resources to take it the full way. And, you know, these are, I mean, I'm some of these one a few freedom of information tribunals, but to go down that road takes a lot of time, a lot of resources in the freedom movement. We need to somehow enable us as a whole body to get the funds in so that we can fight battles better because at the moment everything is done on a shoestring. And it makes it more difficult, but it also shows how successful we've been that we can mount effective campaigns on a skeleton basis. Yes, I'm sorry, Andy, my mind was wandering a bit there because I just wanted to, I don't think people are aware of this, right? But we've had this monumental situation that's not just decimated our communities, decimated our mental health, destroyed the kids' education, et cetera, et cetera. Plus plunged us into bloody, you know, economic hard times, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm just going to show something here, Andy, it's the actual statistics, right? I don't, I'm just going to say here, I don't even think I can say it because we're on YouTube. But let's just say, you know, everyone's riding this horse. I ain't on that horse, folks. I think I have a good idea of why we get ill. And let's just say the bogeyman theory don't cut the mustard, but this was a, Andy, this was a freedom and we've got to be careful what we say. Let's not say the buzzwords here, but this was a freedom of information request somebody put in and they asked, well, how many people have died of this thing then, right? And I'm just going to paraphrase here, but under the age of like 30, literally talking less than 20 people, right? Guys, you can find this. It's on the Office of National Statistics. In fact, I'll just, I'll, in fact, no, I won't put a link below because it will come back and haunt me and YouTube will go. Oh, you posted a link to, anyway, my point is... You'll probably find, Chris, that those 20-word people were serious. Is this in condition? Well, this is the ones without, is it called concomitant or something like that, you know, when you have an addition? So basically what we're talking about is people who have diabetes, heart problems, obesity, et cetera, et cetera, they got ill. Well, yeah, that's what that lifestyle, you know, that's what that lifestyle, but you are, if you live that life, you're going to get ill. And what they've done is they've cleverly tied it into, let's just say, something else. But when you look at the statistics, do people realise they ruin their lives and their careers? And I know people had to sell their second house, right? I don't know many people with two homes, folks, but they had to sell their second property and remortgage the existing one to stay in business. And what was the first thing they did when the government said jump? They went out with their underpants on their face going, I will do whatever you say, government, you know, they just literally don't get it, Anthony. And I'm showing this, I'm going to show it again, folks. Look, look, under the age of 30, there were 12 males and three females, right? And there's a few fairly insignificant figures in the, this is what we destroyed two years for. This is what we ruin the kids for, running around the house while their mother or father is on a zoom call with the boss, drinking wine out of a cup because they can't explain that, like, I don't, my routine's interrupted. I've got alcohol problems, et cetera, et cetera, or whatever that might be. And those poor kids, the parents supposed to be homeschooling the child while they're on a zoom call to their boss. It's just insane. And when you understand it was for, what did we say? Oh, 12 blokes. That's it. And that's even if you believe that stuff, which I have a very, very different view, folks. You know, because I've lived a bit and I've read a bit. But Anthony, listen, it's been absolutely wonderful chatting. I know we could go on all day, couldn't we really? Because there is so much. Friends at home, could we get a like for the video, please? And a share would be great. If you just give us a like, that would be awesome. The link for the petition is in the description. So let's just get on there. Let's get that signed. Let's get it shared and let's see where it leads us, you know? Let's see if there is any democracy left. Anthony, one further thing is anytime you want to come back on the show, you have an open ticket, sir. The work you're doing is just on behalf of my child, basically. I can't thank you enough and everybody else out there. Friends, we've got this. Don't ever lose hope. There is a nice thing building here. People are getting, even the ones that, you know, watch their 24-7 Sky News or what, they can't argue now, can they? Because everyone's been affected. Everybody knows somebody that's cough, cough, been affected, right? It's undeniable. And we've got this, friends. I wouldn't be involved. I wouldn't be saying this if we didn't, because I don't do half measures. I only do, boom, live life, love people, smash it, go out there, achieve your dreams, you know? You know, not being shackled by, I call it the silly little schoolgirl, Liz Truss, or the stupid little schoolboy, Boris Johnson. You know, they're just, they're egomaniacs that have no intention of ever helping you. They hate you, they despise you. They're so high on their own ego trips, which is why the, what I call a global mafia, get them to do whatever they say. That Liz Truss will, you know, I mean, Antonia, we didn't even get a chance to talk about Pesco, that Liz Truss has signed us into a, you know, a European Defence Initiative. Next time, Chris, we'll have to do that. But yes, that's another serious abuse of her powers. But, Chris, you know, thank you for all you do. And that's all of us keep up the good work. I'll look forward to people supporting the petition. Yes, the link below, folks. Anthony, people were asking in the chat, how can they get hold of you? I looked on your website, but I can't seem to get the contact page up. It doesn't, it's not loading. I'll, I'll watch out the email address through. But I am on Twitter. I'm at Tony underscore. Can people message you on Twitter? Yes. Yeah, okay, we'll leave it. I don't want to put your email. We'll, we'll, if they, if they, if they, guys, if you haven't got Twitter, send me a message and we'll, we'll get it sorted out. So it's at Tony underscore. On Twitter. Yeah, good. And we put a link also Anthony David Webber on Facebook. Yes, we put a link below. We put a link below. Anthony, stay on the line just so I can thank you properly. I'm just going to play us out here. But, but much love to you, sir, and your good family. And let's keep, let's keep fighting the fight because I think, I think the children are worth it. Friends at home, if you can give us a like and a subscribe, that'll be wonderful. Much love to you too. And we will see you soon. Thank you. Thank you.